The kids are alright

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Photo by Dario Ayala of The Gazette

Top draft choice Nathan Beaulieu dazzled at development camp, Pat Hickey writes.

Wait’ll he sees the REAL Montreal Canadiens.

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652 Comments

  1. Marcusman says:

    Any chance we’d bring Kovalev back?

  2. SyntaxLove says:

    I mentioned yesterday that the Caps were my early favourite for cup contention, but that they would never win it while their three highest producing & highest paid forwards were all stereotypically lazy, inconsistent Europeans. To elaborate on that, all three suffered scoring droughts at some point in time last year. Semin just couldn’t seem to get it together. Backstrom looked lost and confused. And Ovi isn’t changing his game.

    Thoughts?

    plus/minus matters most.

  3. SmartDog says:

    People are slagging me lately for being ‘negative’. I think I’m being realistic in being concerned about not having enough grit, and not having anyone to win face-offs. (And no, I’m not excited to see Gomez rip it up this year like he says he will.)

    But for those who think I don’t have it in me: HERE IS SOMETHING POSITIVE:
    I was just looking at our development pipeline… in about 2-3 years – wow. It seems like most of our top dozen or so prospects will mature at about the same time. Not likely any superstars but lots of strong players. This means we’ll have a lot of homegrown talent to replace the expiring contracts in the next few years and could likely have real talent for trade as well. It’s been too long since the Habs seemed so well stocked with talent.. even if it’s a couple years off.

    If PG can manage to lock up Price and Subban, and not give away any of these kids for peanuts, he might even get my vote at the next GM election. What, he’s not elected? Dang.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      Imagine if fans could nominate GM’s for their teams. That would change everything.

      I don’t have any issues with your posts SD, we don’t always agree, and we can debate the facts, but it’s all good.

      I understand your concerns about this off-season, and our current roster, and I also share your optimism about the future.

    • DearyLeary says:

      I’m still convinced that we’re working on a 2-3 year schedule to being a real contender. When Gomer’s contract comes off the books (or it is moved because of relative cheap cost:cap hit ratio) we can look at the free agent market and buy a big fish (lets say Crosby actually goes to market).

      That’ll also be the time when PK, Price, and Pacioretty have been in the league for a few years, and still remain relatively cheap (I’m also expecting Eller to be part of that picture, but that’s just my assessment).

      If Beaulieu and Tinordi develop the way people think they will, that’ll make for a young, strong core on the back end (with these two being cheap on entry level deals).

      Young home-grown talent is key to making a push for the Stanley Cup. Only your draft picks are going to achieve at a high efficiency with low cap hits. I like Cole and I think he’s going to be effective in Montreal, but the money he’s making because of free agency is inflated and those kinds of cap hits are only manageable if you draft well and have overachieving young players.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It really does look good down the line. As it relates to Faceoffs/Grit, agree we need to address this some more. I just don’t think we are as far away from being there as perhaps you or others think we are.

      Boston will be tough again next year, but the rest of the East we can play with. We can play with Boston also, but they have had the ability to wear us down. But it will be significant having Cole with Plex and Cammy, MaxPac with Gomez and Gionta. A 3rd line of AK, Eller, Darche is skilled and good sized. We do need a faceoff specialist for 4th line that can add grit to White and Moen.

      Our D-men will be so much faster with Markov, Gorges, Weber and hopefully Emelin brings this physical game we want from him.

      We just cannot afford Major injuries next year that are season ending for 2 out of our 3 top players. Just as Pittsburgh eventually had to succumb due to injuries.

    • The Dude says:

      Is there something written about cheering for your team and slagging others who may be fans of the same team, because of different opinions?If so ,the persons responsible for this unwritten,brain-dead ruling, are pathetic…period. What is disturbing about some of these arm-chair geniuses to me is the fact our Habs team hasn’t won or even come close for 19 plus years now, yet they put other fans down like they’ve got the inside take on things ,lol.
      Cheering for a 18 year losing streak is not winning(unless your Charlie Sheen) so cut other Habs fans some slack…they might be on to something!

      • Bugs says:

        If we were on a 19yr losing streak, you might have a leg to stand on.
        But it’s 18. So I ain’t jumpin ship just yet.
        Load the cannons! Avast! Into the breach!

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • HabFab says:

      SmartDog, I think all of us share your concerns in regards to the team having enough grit and in winning face-offs.
      I’ll counter with saying that having White and Yemelin (both should make the team) are up-grades in grit over Pyatt and Hamrlik along with Cole being an up-grade over Pouliot. Small steps but still up-grades.
      The face-off issue has not improved.

      As for my slag “garbage smells, old garbage stinks”. Just saying..

    • avatar_58 says:

      Yeah but who are we kidding? They’ll continue to sign useless old men who take up spots for these kids.

      Would it be awesome if in the near future MOST of the team was under 25?

    • RetroMikey says:

      Smart Dog, tell it like it is.
      Don’t be a whining pupply like Saskhabfan,HalifaxHabsfan, or Seriousfan09 to name a few when you criticize the team and hurt their feelings.
      Tell it like it is hombre! Everyone is entitled to be positive or negative about this team.
      Democracy in this country! Ain’t it beautiful?
      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        wtf is this? I wasn’t talking to you Mikey, and haven’t for along time. You just like throwing around insults, then pointing the finger at everyone else.

        I don’t get insulted by anything SmartDog says because his posts are usually well thought out, even if I don’t always agree with him.

        I don’t want to insult people on this board, but then I come on here and I have this clown talking smack about me.

        You’re a complete joke on this site Mikey.

        • _Habsoloutly_ says:

          Smart dog, well thought out posts?

          • Bill J says:

            I don’t always agree with SD, but he has a bit more class then you… I have yet to see him call another poster a derogatory name like you just did.

            Just saying…

          • _Habsoloutly_ says:

            I don’t give a rats ass what you think. Save it for someone who cares.

          • Bill J says:

            Oh, I get it! You want to be banned!

            Why not logout & never return? Easier no?

        • saskhabfan says:

          Well said halifaxhabs,keep sticking it to the whining retroloser. All he does is whine cry everyday like a little girl lost his justin beiber doll. Who would have thought some useless putz like retro is actually a 44 year old who cries like a 6 year old. Kind of embarassing for him actually.

  4. DC-Hab says:

    hahaha that was actually really funny.. I’m not a John Lu fan either .. friggin guy.

  5. Ian Cobb says:

    OK read enough on here. Hot summer day and I am diving into my swimming pool right now.! Margarita’s tonight.

  6. aemarchand11 says:

    This place is bush league today, filled with poor punctuation, and awful debates.

  7. Haligonian-Hab says:

    who wants to give me an avatar tutorial?

  8. Neutral says:

    Kids day on HIO

  9. Bugs says:

    Watchin a TSN video on what to expect from Habs come start of the season and the first thing I see is John Lu and I get to thinkin again “who the hell IS this guy?” What exactly does he BRING? What are HIS Mtl Canadien qualifications? Who is HE to tell ME what’s what with MY club?
    And as I’m thinkin this, he goes and commits the same sin what made me contemptuous of him in the first place “a lot of French Quebecers were upset that with a French last name, Beaulieu doesn’t speak French.”
    Really??? Like who? What kind of comment is that? I don’t remember that coming up AT ALL. What the f..?!
    Same way he said start of last season afore namin the captain that “the French media will be upset if the captain doesn’t speak French”.
    Stupid, uninformed, flame-fanning editorialization.
    To recap then: a mouthpiece that has NOTHING to teach us about our club except that we can expect some French element outside the club to be upset about something to do with some non-French thing, but let us all rejoice, because the English elements are so perfectly on-track that there’s no need to mention it on TSN.
    Observe how Lu sticks these comments in now and again.
    He’s a headline-readin mouthpiece and an effin tool and he has nothing to teach us.
    ..a lot of Quebecers were upset that Beaulieu doesn’t speak French even with a French name…
    Yeah. After all Lu’s “research” and “poll-taking” of Quebecers, that’s what the “conclusion” was. Yeah. John Lu, the Great French Quebecer Connoisseur that he is. He KNOWS. He did the RESEARCH. Yeah.
    Pff…
    Effin tool.
    Oh, I would absolutely LOVE to call out that scumbag, engage him in this debate. I would reduce him to tears and rubble.
    Ultra Anglos like him who have the “pulse” of French reaction…uh-huh. Never seen this guy before; never seen him in the room but lo!, he KNOWS.
    (gnashing teeth)

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • _Habsoloutly_ says:

      Yes Bugs, because francophones NEVER get upset with ANYTHING concerning the habs right?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        That wasn’t his point though Habsoloutly. They do often just spew what they think is the party line to appease their Toronto audience.

      • Bugs says:

        Yeah, eh, Abso?
        Yyyeah.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • habsfansince91 says:

        lol and it wasn’t too long ago where the french media was up in arms about Koivu not being able to speak french after so many years of living in Montreal.

        With that being said, I do agree with Bugs regardin Lu.

        • _Habsoloutly_ says:

          The french media is always up in arms about something. But according to bugs it’s those evil english media types who are to blame.

          • GenerationYHabs says:

            Wow you’re trying to turn Bugs’ point about an idiot making assumptions and generalisationsa bout the french population in Quebec into a political language war.

          • _Habsoloutly_ says:

            Bug’s is always on here crying about the english media. Some of us are sick and tired about bugs crying about how the poor francophones are treated in Quebec.

          • SmartDog says:

            Gee, could it be both?
            Because that’s what media DOES.

            And if you don’t like Bugs posts, skip ‘em.

          • _Habsoloutly_ says:

            How about you don’t tell me what to do?

        • Bugs says:

          By “the French media”, you mean Raymond Tremblay and not much else, right Sincey? …up in arms… Take it easy.
          Personally, I was a little upset that after 10 years, he couldn’t give us Bonjour and Merci beaucoup.
          I’ve maintained that since Day 1: All we want is Bonjour and Merci beaucoup, not reciting “Le Vaisseau d’or” d’Émile Nelligan, which the English media would like folks to believe instead.
          All we want is Bonjour and Merci beaucoup. Don’t tell me; I’ll tell you.
          He didn’t even give us Bonjour and Merci beaucoup.
          He deserves some criticism. I loved’m, but he deserved some criticism.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • habsfansince91 says:

            ya I over exaggerated when I said up in arms but I do remember several people (don’t remember their names) in the french media making quite a big deal about him not being able to speak french. I understand you’re point of view where a little effort to learn a couple words will go a long way but IMO language should be a non-issue in hockey.

          • _Habsoloutly_ says:

            You want a “merci and a beaucoup”, go talk to a francophone. Leave the players on the Habs alone. They are in Montreal to play hockey, not stroke the ego of every Quebec nationalist like yourself.

          • Bugs says:

            Yes, but “your opinion”, you must concur, comes from a position where French isn’t an integral part of the fabric of your culture, language, and upbringing.
            Gues what? I don’t think players should learn Swahili on the Canadiens. I don’t think it’s very important because it has nothing to do with the game.
            That’s just my opinion of course. Doesn’t mean I’m right.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • SmartDog says:

            I’m English. I stumble around in French conversations when I have to but I’m REALLY English (and not fond of some of the laws and biases around here….I’m not complaining, just sayin’…it is what it is.)

            But heck, the Habs market must be viewed as at least a very “bilingual” one. So I always wonder why more Habs (non-French) don’t at least say “Merci” or “Bonjour” or even an obvious French or fr-eng word or two they must hear around like “belle passe” or “bonne game”. I play soccer with French guys and we all mix the languages. Heck, I can sit in a restaurant and listen to French conversations punctuated with “Good job!” and “very nice”, “Bon week-end”, etc. Why can’t hockey players toss out a word or two of French? I don’t get it.

            And BTW…Kirk Muller. He did. I miss him already. -sniff-

          • GenerationYHabs says:

            Well put SmartDog, I completely agree.

          • Bugs says:

            It’s all we ask. It’s all we EVER asked.
            But those who go above and beyond, like Mr.Gainey and Captain Kirk, we love them even MORE.
            Because since language and culture are intertwined, showing your dedication to one shows your dedication to the other. Simple as that.
            And we can SAY the team is “at the very least bilingual” but we can ALSO say the team was “CREATED for French Canadians”.
            If we’re a contender, I don’t mind if we got a houseful of Japanese-Indo-Polynesians suiting up, as long they learn Bonjour and Merci beaucoup and score lotsa goals, goshdarnit, they’re one of us.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • boing007 says:

          Richard R
          And even Pauline Marois jumped into the fray.
          Then, last year, the June 24 Journal de Montréal printed an interview with Paul Piché and Luck Mervil (sp?). Luck and Paul were bragging about their ‘esprit libre’ and how tolerant they were. Then Luck said that he would be appalled to hear any language but French spoken on Mont-Royal Street. Well, for one thing Luck, Mont-Royal is an avenue. And for another, it’s a free country. That’s intolerance, plain and simple. And downright dangerous as well. People have approached me from nowhere on several occasions in the past few years and yelled at me to speak in French. I’ll speak French when the spirit moves me, not when some yahoo yells in my face.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Coming from a complete Anglo, I agree with you Bugs! The guy is just someone that took public speaking or media at a college and his first job was probably with TSN and he keeps getting promoted along the way.

      The problem is, talking heads like that, start to believe they really know hockey because they are getting paid every day to file some 30 second filler for the station.

      Great point Bugs.

      • Bugs says:

        That’s just it. A talkin, teleprompter-readin face, I got no problem with. But they don’t live here, weren’t raise here, ne parlent pas notre langue, ne connaissent pas notre culture, don’t read French papers or French blogs or French whatever, only cull out of what what a few radicals amidst a SEA of French sports EDITORIALISTS wrote over the course of 20 years to formulate a CURRENT opinion which they apply, without ANY FORM of evidence, with more-than-liberal strokes in order to surreptitiously pursue their OWN agenda of undermining a different culture’s appreciation of the sport, cuz hey, that’s what their readers wanna hear since it can only FORCE them to conclude that, being more level-headed than “a lot of Quebecers”, they make for “better hocky fans”.
        It’s bullspit.
        So I ask: Who IS this guy John Lu? Who. Is. He? Honestly? I don’t know this guy. He just popped up and now, he’s the “Mtl guy”. He KNOWS stuff. Uh-huh.
        Yet I still ask: who is HE to say that “a lot of Quebecers were upset that with a French last name, Beaulieu doesn’t speak French”? Where did he GET this? I didn’t see that. Where did he come up with this information?
        Journalist-slash-French-Connoisseur that he is, I’d sure like to know.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          He has been on TSN for a long time. For quite awhile he was doing all the Toronto Maple Leafs spots, just as he now is doing Montreal coverage. Where he came from? No idea. Not quite sure why he is doing this, I always thought Michael Whalen (unsure of spelling) did a pretty good job. Do you remember him Bugs?

          • Cardiac says:

            John Lu was born in Vancouver and grew up in Winnipeg before moving to T.O. I just checked his bio on TSN.

          • Bugs says:

            All the leafs spots, you say?
            Oh. Hmm. A little perspective then?
            Does he know that “the Toronto media” is upset that Burke went to Afghanistan?
            Yep, the meeeedia. All of it. Upset Burke went overseas. Everyone. Not just one or two sports writers, no, no, no; the media.
            He must know that too. In fact, there’s MORE evidence supporting THAT story than there is supporting the “lot of Quebecers upset that with a French last name, Beaulieu doesn’t speak French” story.
            Verifiably so.
            I’m not making anything up here.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • ProHabs says:

      does this post qualify as too long

    • bwoar says:

      “Effin tool.
      Oh, I would absolutely LOVE to call out that scumbag, engage him in this debate. I would reduce him to tears and rubble.
      Ultra Anglos like him who have the “pulse” of French reaction…uh-huh. Never seen this guy before; never seen him in the room but lo!, he KNOWS.”

      If Lu punched you in the face, or peed on your supper, I could understand these comments. But you go looking for people to hate. And not surprisingly, you find them everywhere. “Ultra Anglos” will always be a source of annoyance for you, even as they sign your paycheques, or heal your mental illnesses.

      You just need to change the channel, Bugs. That’s all. Plenty of knowledgeable folks in either language out there covering the Habs.

      The fact is, your post above resembles ‘the pulse of French reaction’ more than anything else.

      • Bugs says:

        Nope.
        Because saying that Ultra Anglos will always be a source of annoyance for me is disingenuous.
        You should instead have said that ” Ultra Anglos WHO TELL ME WHAT’S WHAT ABOUT FRENCH QUEBECERS will always be a source of annoyance for me.”
        Yes. That, yes.
        But in THAT context, and not the all-encompassing one you proposed first, maybe you can see MY point of view on it?

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • JayBee says:

      Hab fans sure are testy.

      You hate everyone. LOL.

    • SmartDog says:

      I don’t get John Lu.

      He seems just very bland with nothing interesting to say.

      • Bugs says:

        On the contrary, someone paid to BE bland has nevertheless managed to say VERY interesting things on a few occasions.
        It’s WHY I hate his uninformed guts.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Cardiac says:

      What happened to Michael Whalen?

    • avatar_58 says:

      The funny part? If you asked the average quebecor (or hell habs fan) about Beaulieu you know what they’d say? “Who?”

      Case closed.

      • Cardiac says:

        Despite TSN and RDS setting ratings record for this year’s entry draft.

        CASED CLOSED!!!

        • avatar_58 says:

          So what? The reality is your average habs fan probably can’t even name most of the roster. Even if they can they sure as hell can’t tell you who’s playing in Hamilton and below.

          So I sincerely doubt John Lu did anything more than make this up. “Oh sweet another excuse to bash french habs fans!”

          I’m not even from there and it bugs me

      • Bugs says:

        I wouldn’t go THAT far, but I WOULD agree that MORE Quebecers would say “who” than would say “I’m upset that with a French last name, Beaulieu doesn’t speak French.”

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • TommyB says:

      Couldn’t agree more. Good call.

    • PeterStone says:

      i saw that, and I thought it was an odd way to start a report. then i was wondering , who is upset, i know im not … and it occured to me, no one is.

    • HardHabits says:

      Post of the month. Very well done Bugs.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      John Lu is obviously guilty of lazy journalism. Kind of like when journalists hang out in the bar and shoot the shit, then report on it the next day, citing each other as “sources”.

      Mr. Beaulieu is not a francophone any more than Mark Messier and Bryan Trottier and Pat Boutette are. Pretty much all Quebecers understand that, and if they don’t it’ll be explained to them and they will and move on. The first name Nathan will be the first clue for most people and they might suspect as much. More importantly, they really care much more that he just develop himself into the frontline defenceman a lot of experts tell us he can be.

      What he does have a great opportunity to learn a language, improve himself, and connect with his francophone roots and his father’s heritage. If he does he will be a hero in Quebec.

      I posted about this about a month ago, but in the old days, our Anglo players would make the effort. Mr. Gainey and Robinson and Shutt and Murray Wilson learned a minimum of French, enough to be interviewed between periods by Richard Garneau, and they were beloved for the effort. Mr. Koivu, despite all his many qualities, suffered a little by comparison.

      Today’s players may not have the same expectations of spending their whole career with the same team, they may be a little more mercenary, so learning French when playing in Montreal may seem superfluous, but they should understand that it is a mark of respect to the fans who pay hundreds of dollars to buy their kids jerseys with their names on it.

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Bugs says:

        I’m less concerned with players learning a minimum of French on this team than I am about Lu making shockingly unfounded claims like the Beaulieu one, which can only serve to stir up sh*te.
        I live here. I’m French. Lu, neither. I never heard that said about Beaulieu. Ever. So where did HE hear it, see it, read it if he neither speaks it or reads it?
        It’s so weird that HE would have that information and not me.
        Where did he get it?
        Nowhere. That’s where he got it.
        It’s bullspit.
        Bullspit that, again, has a specific design since it has no other, that of stirring sh*te up.
        That’s why I call him an effin tool who has nothing to teach us.
        Nuuuuuuh-thing.
        (shudder) ooo, it’s so offensive…grr!

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  10. kempie says:

    Um, I left my computer for a couple of hours and just got back. So, uuuuuhhhhmmm, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS PLACE? SEEMS A LITTLE NUTTY IN HERE RIGHT ABOUT NOW.

  11. bwoar says:

    The Net Nannies calling out HABSGUARDIANANGEL for his long posts really should lighten up. None of you have written anything particularly useful today, either. There’s nothing wrong with long comments when others do it. So you don’t find the stats interesting? Fine, move on. A person is making an effort to post something others may enjoy. So what if you don’t like it? Please.

    *But* for the love of all things good, HGA, learn to unlock the Caps key. It is extremely bad form to go around shouting on the web and no one appreciates it. Ignore the mob, they have about 5 brain cells and 1 good idea per season between them. Just speak like a human being and, if you’re going to talk about personal encounters with players – have some credible evidence ready because you will be flamed mercilessly otherwise, right or wrong.

    • shiram says:

      Gotta admire the effort he put in those posts, but I admit I did not read them, as the formatting and lenght is not friendly to this type of place.

      • bwoar says:

        I didn’t read ‘em either, they don’t interest me. I just think the Keyboard Kops are worse than the people they’re going after.

        Agreed on the formatting, but that’s a technical and UI problem on this site. Blame the web crew, they should know better (I’ll wager they do, actually), or the management who allowed or asked for this, they should know better as well (and they probably do, too.) It’s not rocket science to look at these commenting threads and realize that it’s built for 4-line replies and pithy comebacks. Longer posts of substance just aren’t at home in this format. Honestly though, asking the collective here to actually come up with “longer posts of substance” would probably get you diatribes about coke benders and mystery meat.

        • shiram says:

          I think most issues with the new formatting on here is to make it so the site does not experience the issues we had with the old formatting when things got intense, and the server would crash etc…
          a valid trade-off.

          • bwoar says:

            I understand totally. But as a developer I’m more than a little skeptical that this was the best way to go about that trade-off.

            Nevertheless, it’s a moot point. Glad the site is here. Back to hockey. :-)

  12. habs03 says:

    If someone can please help me, in this video of Markov, he is wearing a sports band on his right hand in the video. I’d dying to get one, I see all the athletes wearing them, can someone please tell me what its called. Here is a link to the video, thanks.

    http://video.canadiens.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=1174&id=114220

  13. Kooch7800 says:

    Man the weather is awesome and I am stuck in an office reading H/O. Would much rather be chilling on a patio drinking a beer.

  14. Aw come on guys, maybe he played hockey with Nathan Beaulieu, maybe he didn’t. Either way, it’s no reason to get your knickers in a knot. And long lists of stats aren’t terribly interesting to everyone, but they’re certainly not the most annoying, obnoxious or inappropriate comments that have ever graced these pages. The guy is harmless.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  15. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    WOW Look what you turned this site into , way to go!

    I’ll come back later when people wanna talk hockey for a change!

  16. JohnnyBEast says:

    Does anyone know of or follow @HockeyyInsiderr ? Does this cat have any credibility?

    • JohnnyBEast says:

      He posted this about an hour ago

      Apparently #habs put the following offer on the table: A.Kostitsyn+ Weber+1st for Semin+rights to Alzner. Ball in #caps court?

      Eklund wannabe?

      • bwoar says:

        That would be a straight up steal for Gauthier. Does anyone thing GMGM (who’s had a monster FA season thus far) would actually do that? Sure, why not. Weirder things have happened.

        • JohnnyBEast says:

          He does have some legit followers, NHL French, Montreal Juniors and GIONTA

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I would do this deal in a heartbeat.

          Getting Mr. Semin and Mr. Alzner, who is a Restricted Free Agent and we can sign to a long term deal, in exchange for:

          Andrei Kostitsyn: a guy bursting with talent but who can be described as at least enigmatic. He seems to have never bought in to Montreal and the team. He is an unrestricted free agent next summer, and my gut feeling is it will be difficult to resign him. If we trade him now it may be at the peak of his value, when most other teams are also intrigued with his skills and hope that a change of scenery will make something click.

          Yannick Weber: a promising blueliner, but we have to give value to get value. With Mr. Spacek here for another year, and Mr. Yemelin probably being more ready to get minutes, he might spend a lot of time on the bench or pressbox again this year. Next season he might be caught in the wash again, with Mr. Diaz, Mr. Tinordi and others in the pipeline.

          #1 choice is tough to give up as well, but once again you don’t get Mr. Semin for peanuts.

          This is so lopsided a trade for the Canadiens that it is almost certainly not grounded in reality.

          Of course if Mr. Gauthier pulled the trigger on this, many posters would crucify him for giving up on the next Bobby Orr, or complain that Andrei never had a real chance with the Canadiens, or that we shouldn’t give up #1′s because of Mr. Timmins’ drafting acumen, or most probably for all three reasons.

          ———————————
          Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Mike D says:

        We can’t take that much cap back unless PG has a for sure way of relieving minimum 3-4mil off our books before the season starts.

        Alzner’s cap hit last year was 1.675mil and Semin’s hit this year will be 6.7mil. Alzner might require a raise too. AK’s and Weber’s cap hits this year are 3.25mil and 850K, respectively. That’s an increase of 4.275mil on our books with Gorges and White still needing to be re-signed. Let’s assume Gorges’ and White’s combined salaries this year are 4mil (it might be more). That’s a total of 8.275mil and we currently have only 8.3mil in available cap space. This leaves no room to sign a 13th forward, depth defenseman, acquire a player at the deadline, or have any call-ups from Hamilton during the season to cover for injuries. We’d need at least 4mil more cap space now that I think about it.

        Plus, with our top wingers now being Semin, Cammy, Max-Pac, Cole, and Gio, who plays 3rd line and doesn’t get ample PP time?

        It’s not happening. I don’t see PG pulling the trigger on this even if we had the cap space anyway. It goes against what he said about giving the team stability by not making too many changes.

        - Honestly yours

  17. HalifaxHabs says:

    I know HGA, I’m the jerk and everyone is mean to you. And by the way I don’t comment on all your posts… I think this is only the 3rd one I’ve commented on.

    I have no problem with you personally, and I’m sure where you live is far more exciting than Halifax.

    But it should be pretty obvious to you by the responses you got, that people here don’t think those stats are “cool”… and on a message board like this, people don’t want to look at a long long posts with copied and pasted numbers. We can all look up stats on our own.

    And you can’t be surprised that people here won’t believe that you played hockey last year with Beaulieu, and had dinner last night with Mac Bennett. I mean just think about it for a minute what it looks like when someone comes on a Habs board and posts stuff like that.

    Anyway, nothing personal, back to your fun day in your cool city.

    • shiram says:

      He ran into Cammy as well.
      Very hockey connected fellow.

    • _Habsoloutly_ says:

      he’s a moron.

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      SERIOSULY BRO, TALK HOCKEY , I DONT CARE ABOUT THE DRAMA IN YOUR LIFE

      .

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So I went into Tim Horton’s the other day and ran into GORDEI HOWIE, he was sitting with TED LINDSEE. So as usual we sat and chatted. Was a great day!

      Sorry forgot the best ZENON KOTOPKA was with us. He autographed my Habs KONOKPA jersey for me also.

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      YES I TALKED HOCKEY WITH MIKE CAMMELLERI IN TORONTO, i PLAYED HOCKEY WITH NATHAN BEAULIEU, NOT IN THE Q, LIKE YOU ALL JUMPED DOWN MY THROAT ABOUT, AND YES, i KNOW MAX BENNETT PERSONALLY. GET OVER IT ALREADY, WHATS THE BIG DEAL?

      STOP HATING, AN JUST TALK HOCKEY ALREDY, YOURE WORST THEN BUNCH OF OLD WOMAN GOSSPING OVER NOTHING.

    • PeterStone says:

      well, regardless of where you live, and in his defense, you do have a “I’m smarter than all of you attitude” ..

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        sorry you feel that way Peter, but you missed several posts of his, which were deleted by mods, today and a few days ago.

        they were insulting, used foul language(hence being removed), and as far as where I live, there was a lame argument from him about how sucky Haifax is, which is why I mentioned how boring Haifax is in my post.

        thanks for your insult though, I’ll keep it in mind.

        • PeterStone says:

          perhaps he was, i didnt read his post(s), i have read a few of yours though, i find myself agreeing with you at times, others, well, everyone has an opinion. nonetheless, to have an opinion is one thing, to demean others for theirs is entirely a different thing. i have read a few things here, that i find utterly ridiculous, i personally choose to ignore them, having said that i dont mind a good debate.

          you can take it as an insult if you like, its just a statement. but i do see that the mob mentality here has now taken over and now a few of you have appointed yourselves site moderators. as far as i know, someone already has that gig.

          now if anyone wants to have a hockey discussion, i’m ready. although going to U2 tonight, so it wont be long. I have had season tickets for the Habs for about 8 years ( pre-lockout ) .. thats right folks, any of you could have called the Molson Center ( at the time ) and picked up a pair in the reds. i have seen some miserable hockey in that time. in the 8 years i have had those seats, this is the best team I think we have assembled, including the year we finished first. yea, i would love to replace a Gomez with Kesler type ( this is where you come in with your EA comment usually ) , because I think thats the main piece we are missing to be a serious Cup Contender. and, it is about The Cup.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            That’s all well and good. I respect your opinion, because you can tell it to me without being overly insulting.

            I don’t mean to come across like I think I’m a mod, and there are lots of posts I see that boil my blood I don’t bother responding to… but some days, it’s rough at work, or I’m stressed at home, and I’ll just see something, that seems incredibly stupid to me, and I’ll get into it. I think we both know that’s what happens on the internet.

            I know I shouldn’t because it’s all in good fun on here, but I am guilty of letting myself get dragged in sometimes.

            I’m not sure what you mean by “EA comment”… and yeah, if it was possible to replace Gomez with Kesler(or ‘Kesler type”), I’d pay Kesler’s moving expenses. I don’t disagree with that at all. That being said it’s not going to happen this year, and that’s just a dose of reality, not me being a mod or being smarter than everyone else.

            PS: now that we’ve got this out of the way, which Habs game are you taking me to this year? ;)

  18. ProHabs says:

    MR. GAUTHIER,
    IF YOU SEND OUR HABS INTO A GUN FIGHT IN BOSTON AGAIN THIS YEAR WITH ONLY PEA SHOOTERS, THE PLAYERS SHOULD PUT YOU ON SKATES AND LET THE BRUINS ABUSE YOU THE WAY THEY WILL OUR TEAM.

    IN CASE YOU HAVEN’T NOTICED, WHILE YOU HAVE BEEN BUSY IMPROVING THE HAMILTON BULLDOGS, OTHER TEAMS HAVE BEEN ADDING TOUGHNESS TO THEIR TEAMS. YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COUNT ON THE REFEREES OR THE LEAGUE TO PROTECT YOUR PLAYERS. YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONLY GM WHO DOESN’T REALISE YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUR PLAYERS YOURSELF.

    WHILE THE FLORIDA PANTHERS WERE BUSY TRADING AND SIGNING ANYONE TO ADD SALARY, DID YOU EVEN CONTACT THEM TO TAKE SPACEK OFF OF YOUR HANDS. WE NEED A BIG TOUGH DEFENCEMAN INSTEAD OF SPACEK. TAKE POULIOTS SALARY OF LAST YEAR AND ADD 2 TOUGH FORWARDS. BRAD WINCHESTER FOR 650 000 AND CAM JANSSEN FOR 650 000. THEN YOU CAN WATCH THE SKILL ON THE TEAM SKATE CIRCLES AROUND EVERY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE, INCLUDING BOSTON.

    SKILL NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED MR. GAUTHIER. DO PK, PRICE, ELLER, MAXPAC, MARKOV ET ALL A FAVOR AND PROTECT THEM.

  19. Timo says:

    That’s fantastic. But while the bright future awaits, what can the current team swing? Say a first round exist again? Maybe take it to the second OT in game 7? That will be an improvement already.

    • OneTimer says:

      Timo, will you cut to the chase and apply for the GM job already? I guarantee that with your credentials and expertise, you’ll do a MUCH better job than PG and we’ll win the SC in your very first year! What are you waiting for buddy?

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      Well I was in toronto about a month ago and ran into mike cammaleri, we had a chance to talk some hockey and he is really focused on staying healthy and maybe potting 40 this season, with that type of effort, a healthy team and maybe another 20 GOal scornig winger, I think we can take the cup this year.

  20. SmartDog says:

    Name 5 players the Habs have essentially discarded (traded for little or for a problem player, or let go to FA) who went on to play important roles on other teams.

    Now name 5 players the Habs have picked up from other teams discards who went on to play an important role on the Habs.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      If the Habs “discarded” 5 players who’ve… … that’s 5 players to 29 teams. 5/29 = 0.17 players per NHL team

      If the Habs picked up 0.17 of these discarded players they would be doing so at the league average. The only way the league average is higher than 5/29 is if other teams “discard” players the same way the Canadiens do.

    • RetroMikey says:

      1. Ron Hainsey
      2. Rod Langway
      3. Rick Nattress
      4. Craig Conroy
      5. Donald Brashear

      1.?
      2??
      3.???
      4????
      5.?????

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • OneTimer says:

      Name a poster whose constant negativity is getting rather annoying lately: SmartDog.

    • thehabsfan29 says:

      discarded
      1. streit
      2. Koivu
      3.ribeiro
      4.Moore
      5. Tanguay

      Picked up
      1.cammy
      2.gionta
      3. patches
      4.gorges
      5.Gomez

    • Timo says:

      1. MAB
      2. Gui
      3. Laraque
      4. Vladimir Malakhov
      5. Yves Racine

    • gloveside says:

      You’re kidding, right?

      Let’s see…

      Patrick Roy and Mike Keane for a bag o’ pucks;
      Ribeiro for Niiniimaa;
      Chelios and a 1st for a washed up Savard;
      Claude Lemieux for Sylvain Turgeon;
      John Leclair, Eric Desjardins and Gilbert Delorme for Mark Recchi;
      Stephane Richer and Darcy Tucker for Mick Vukota, Patrick Poulin, and Igor Ulanov;
      A 1st and a 2nd round pick for 1 year of Alex Tanguay
      Not to mention players left unprotected over the decades because the Habs were, at one time, one of the deepest teams in the league. Players like Caesar Maniago; Tony Esposito; Gump Worsley; Danny Grant to name a few.

      Every team has it’s goofy, moronic trades, even the Habs. As for steals, in recent years, there really haven’t been all that many. I can’t name 5 players that we “stole” for other teams by way of trades. Anyone?

  21. shiram says:

    It got bumped to older comments so I’ll put it here…
    Sergei Kost. signs 1 year deal with Nashville for 2.5 millions.

  22. Soooooo… on a hockey note, I’m really pleasantly surprised to see how well Mac Bennett seems to be coming along. I’d never really thought he was more than a fringe prospect, but shows what I know.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      yeah we went out for supper last week, he will play another year of junior, but he is a mature hard working kid, youre right, he is developping really well.

      • ABHabsfan says:

        Mac Bennett plays in the NCAA for Mich, not in Junior. He may have mentioned that at your supper

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          LMAO…. hahahah… nothing like calling out a bold faced lie.

          • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

            well first of all, when I say junior, I mean to say he is not going to play for hamilton.

            and secondly, I never said that I played for st johns, I said I played hockey with nathan beaulieu.

            so you guys need to stop being jealous and gets lives, these are just regular people.

            I cant believe hwo angry you all get over a post that was filled with really cools stats. grow up kids.

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            The name of the city of Saint John New Brunswick must always be spelled “Saint John” and never shortened to “St. John”. :)

            P.S. This is off topic, but somebody should tell the dudes at RDS that it’s perfectly acceptable to translate “Saint John” to “Saint-Jean”. A francophone Néo-Brunswickois would say “Saint-Jean Nouveau-Brunswick”.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            LOL, fine Sean

          • savethepuck says:

            @HGA
            I live in the Suburbs of Saint John New Brunswick, home of the Memorial Cup Champion Sea Dogs. I don’t think Nathan Beaulieu ever played in St. Johns, it’s in Newfoundland, btw.

            “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  23. SmartDog says:

    How come when they move from ‘older’ posts they just cut at the top. You could’ve posted 2 minutes ago but your post is now ‘older’ and out of site.

    It’s dumb.

  24. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    I played hockey last season with NAthan Beaulieu, and the habs have got a gem at 17. HE will eventually be an allstar in this league.

    • HardHabits says:

      @HabsGuardianAngel: those long comments of yours are polluting these pages. get the hint as a few people have complained. a few more of those and I’d wager your account gets banned. smarten up a bit.

      regards,

      HH

      • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

        I wont get banned, Its all hockey related, sorry if U:m not talking about what you want tot talk about. This is a habs site, where all fans can post about the candiens, not about what you want to talk about , okay, thank you very much.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        So Habs Guardian Angel had dinner with Mac Bennett last night, and Mac Bennett told him he was going to play another year of junior… eventhough Mac Bennett would probably know he plays in NCAA…

        And Habs Guardian Angel played hockey last year with Beaulieu… what was it like to win the Memorial Cup with the St John Seas Dogs last year HGA?

        How do you tell someone politely that no one believes their BS, and no one wants to read ridiculously long copied and pasted stats?

    • avatar_58 says:

      No you didn’t

  25. HabinBurlington says:

    @HabsGuardianAngel, the problem with these gigantic posts, is the clear evidence of zero proof reading yet expecting us to read it.

    Ex. Who is “Max Pschioretty” And how does scoring 22pp goals give him 10 as a Canadien. Your quote is here please indulge me. “needs 22 PP Goals for 10 Goals as a canadien”

    And I caught that while holding the arrow down key trying to get past the Blog.

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      hey, thats cool, I am updating versions as you can se, and gettign opionions to release a team report after every game in my new site.

      Thanks for all your help guys. they typos will be fixed, but I’m sure you can figure it out. Its really awesome post if your into stats, especially the all time canadiens stats. Markov, and pleks could crack the top 30 all time this season.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        HGA, I suspect you do some posting from a handheld device and dash these off real quick, maybe you’re trying to squeeze them in before someone ‘scoops’ you, but some of your posts are real tough on the retinas. I find myself reading your post, rereading it, then going over it and trying to interpret what you meant to say instead of what you wrote.

        The unfortunate result is that when I see your Gravatar and username I now tend to skip over your post.

        I recommend that once you’re finished writing your post, you put it aside for five minutes and go grab yourself a refreshing glass of ice water, watch some TSN to see what the Maple Leafs are up to, and then come back to it and read it over with a fresh eye and see if you can catch some of the spelling errors and typos.

        Maybe you can try to compose your posts on a word-processing program, and benefit from the spellchecking feature. I think I saw ‘dafencemen’ and ‘organinization’ in your post below, spellcheck would have caught that easily. Once it’s dialed, copy it and paste it onto HIO.

        The players’ names can be tricky to spell right, but there is no excuse to shank this one, since Google is only another window away, you’ll get the right spelling instantly by looking it up.

        Spelling and grammar may seem unimportant to some, but it has a significant effect on how your ideas are perceived.

        ———————————
        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  26. HabFanSince72 says:

    We can all stop dreaming.

    The Minsk Magician has signed a 2 yr deal in Nashville.

  27. HardHabits says:

    Erase this garbage. Your posts are polluting the airwaves.

  28. longbow says:

    Maybe a 10 day suspension for an illegal hit to our collective heads should be handed out. “Seriously”

    “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    Well that is one way to get a new thread in the middle of good dialogues. Have a couple of people show us how to copy and paste. So appreciated by the rest of us.

  30. I’m posting this just so that the first thing you see when you load the page isn’t the post directly below this one.

    Eek.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  31. HardHabits says:

    UNLEASH THE COPY AND PASTE CAPS LOCKS FURY ::

    I did it in protest to HABSIDIOTRETARD’S post.

    I retracted it. I hope he erases his post(s) as well and ceases to poison these pages with more of his post pollution.

  32. thehabsfan29 says:

    is it just me or is tsn bugging really bad?

    Random NHL games on it from last season

  33. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    CANADIENS ORGINIZATION STARTING LINE UPS & DEPTH CHART VERSION 2.0

    ———————

    FORWARDS:

    Montreal Canadiens:
    ——————

    Left Wing Center Right Wing
    ——— —— ———-

    13-Michael Cammalleri -14-Tomas Plekanec – ??-EriK Cole
    67-Max Pacioretty – 11-Scott Gomez – 21-Brian Gionta (c)
    32-Travis Moen – 81-Lars Eller – 46-Andrei Kostityn
    52-Mathieu Darche – 58-David Deharnais – 53-Ryan White (rfa)

    Hamilton BullDogs:
    —————–
    Philippe Lebebvre – 59-Brock Trotter – 51-Aaron PAlushaj
    Andre Conboy – 63-Andreas Enquivst – Alexander Avstin
    Hunter Bishop – Louis Leblanc – Michael Blundin
    Michael Bounival – Olivier Fortier – Brian Willsie

    Remaining Prospects:
    ——————-
    Olvier Archambault – Joonas Nattinen – Alain Berger
    Maxim Trunev – Gabriel Dumont – Danny Kristo
    John Westin – Danny Masse – Brendan Gallagher
    – Michael Cichy – Steve Quallier
    – Dustin Walsh – 48-James Wyman
    – Patrick Johnson
    – Mark Mcillan
    – Daniel Pribyl

    DEFANCEMEN:

    Montreal Canadiens:
    ——————

    Left Defence Right Defence
    ———— ————-

    79-Andrei Markov(A) – 76-P.K. Subban
    75-Hall Gill(A) – 26-Josh Georges
    ??-Alexei Yemelin – 06-Jaroslav Spacek

    Hamilton BullDogs:
    —————–
    68-Yannick Webber – 47-Bendon Nash
    Raphael Diaz – 24-Alex Henry(C)
    Joe Stejskal – 72-Mthieu Carle(rfa)

    F. St – Denis(rfa)>

    Remaining Prospects:
    ——————-
    Jarred Tinordi – Nathan Beaulieu
    Karl Kluertanz – MOrgan Ellis
    Darren Dietz – Mac Bennet
    Scott Kishel – Greg Pateryn
    Josiah Diedier – Magnus Nygren
    Collin Sullivan – Konstantin Korneez

    GOALTENDERS:

    Montreal Canadiens:
    ——————

    31- Carey Price
    Peter Budaj

    Hamilton BullDogs:
    —————–

    Nathan Lawson
    Peter Delmas
    Robert Mayer

    Remaining Propspects:
    ——————–
    Karri Ramo

  34. HardHabits says:

    Bob Gainey saw that building through the draft was the way to go but came to realize that the team needed a new locker-room environment with which to bring prospects into the fold. BG has transformed the Habs, their identity, and their culture.

    Although some would say little has changed, I perceive that the Habs are no longer the team that perennially languishes in the middle of the pack with no prospects in the fold continuing the process of having the cupboards bare and putting a mediocre product on the ice year in and year out.

    True this new edition Habs team has yet to crack the top 10 but at least they look like they have it in them to do it in the up and coming season. I would also venture that if the Habs continue to draft well and develop their prospects efficiently, all the while raising the profile of the team in its bid to attract high end UFA’s, there is a good argument to be made that they have the potential to be a top 5 team in the not so distant future.

    I’ve made the top 5 argument for quite some time and history shows that there is validity in it. However I have noticed a new tendency, and that was glaringly obvious in the the 2010-2011 2nd to 8th place regular season final standings. Parity is more evident in the league than even the OTL point seems to muddle.

    I am going to make a not so bold prediction. The likelihood that a top 10 team wins the Cup will increase in the future as there will be fewer and fewer truly elite teams, also the likelihood that a group of teams will run away with the league as was the case in the past will lessen. Most teams can beat any other team, apart from the true bottom feeders, on any given Sunday, even in a 7 game series. Although top 5 is definitely desirable, the future might hold a swing in favour of top 10 teams having what it takes to go all the way and come home with the hardware.

    The playing field although not entirely equal, has been levelled considerably. The likelihood of play-off series going 7 games increases with this new parity reality. All the more reason for teams to not have just character but to also have the wheels and frames capable of winning the race, a race that is part roller derby, part iron man competition.

    ars celeritate fortitudo

    • SmartDog says:

      Yeah baby! Build through the draft!

      Like Latendress… Grabovski… Dagostoni… S Kostitsyn…. yeah man, we drafted so many top 6 forwards we’re just SWIMMIN’ in ‘em! Way to go Bob! And you too JM and PG! Way to make those draft picks worthwhile!

  35. SmartDog says:

    Holy Crap!

    Look at the shape Gui is in in this picture:
    http://www.allhabs.net/canadiens-prospects/pribyls-skill-off-the-charts-at-habs-development-camp/

    The Wild did a smart thing – just giving him a trainer and forcing him to check in. We let so many guys go who have some kind of “problem” and they go elsewhere and the team actually – gasp! – HELPS THEM. Craziness. Glad the Habs don’t stoop so low as to spend time on these losers.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Gomez is going to look even bigger, you just wait and see SD!

    • punkster says:

      Rob, I posted this below in response to one of your comments. It`s not a slag, no made up stuff, just consider this.

      When the talent pool is as deep as it is for NHL players why spend the time and money on trying to help players who won’t help themselves? This is not to say that same pool is full of top flight players but we’re not talking about proven top flight players here. Works in progress would be fine to help if their shelf life was greater than the 5 1/2 years a player has today. A corporation will invest in their employees hoping to get 10, 15 or 20 years out of them but they won’t pay the obscene salaries these kids make for day-to-day office jobs.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • SmartDog says:

        You probably won’t see this thanks to HH.

        But… the thing is that there’s a salary cap right? But there’s no cap on hiring people to help these guys. So the teams that can put extra energy and resources as needed into players individual situations are teams taht can make winners of struggling guys. Pouliot has confidence issues we heard that over and over and its consistant with his play and his own comments. So why not find the best shrink money can buy to help him wiht those issues. Lats had problems getting in shape. These guys are HUGE investments. You mention 10-15 years.. well some of these guys make more money in ONE YEAR than a typical worker will make in a lifetime. The stakes are high every year. Would it be worth 100k in psych bills to get Pouliot’s confidence up so he works out better, feels better, goes into each game with more confidence and maybe even in better shape? Of course it would be.

        There are books written on how employees today are not the same as 20 years ago. It’s why coaches like Bylsma and Boucher are getting attention as being ‘different’. But Martin and Gauthier are not ones to see things differently. They’re old school. If you’re not the kind of guy that comes to play, you don’t belong on my team. And other teams are making good pick-ups from our garbage because of it.

        PS: Your comment didn’t read like a slag because it wasn’t.

        • punkster says:

          Coaching, old or young, has nothing to do with Pouliot’s soft psyche or Pats soft stomach. It’s a short term career so either show your stuff or get off the bus. There are a lot more kids just itching to prove themselves.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • avatar_58 says:

      What is he, twelve? Why the hell should the team treat their EMPLOYEES like children? Do the damn job you were paid to do. That includes showing up on time, training hard and keeping in shape.

      If you need your hand held to do this stuff then you really don’t deserve the millions that this idiotic league continues to pay you.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Unless his heart also grew three sizes larger that’s not going to do MIN any real good. Might be useful for Team Canada in April when they’re building a Worlds roster though.

      Montreal doesn’t have trainers? They never gave Guimauve an off-season conditioning plan? Sooner or later a player has to take some kind of responsibility for being heartless on the ice and having no commitment to his team.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • SmartDog says:

        With your interest in development I’m surprised you’re not more thoughtful about motivation, and about the culture the players grow up in today. Montreal’s response to Gui being out of shape was to ship him away. The Wild’s response was to invest in the player and give him more individual attention, and if necessary – monitoring. A lot of these guys ARE big kids in their first few years. You throw out the baby with the bathwater (as we do often) if you don’t get that.

        More to the point – you don’t think Gui will play better, being in better shape and ready for games? Ha! I’ll bet you a beer Gui scores enough goals this year that he would be #1 or #2 if playing in Montreal. And I’ll bet our SECOND cast-away Pouliot scores more goals in BOSTON than ANY of THE HABS bottom six guys.

        Habs need to join the 21st century. This isn’t Popeye’s world where “I yam what I yam”. There’s a lot you can do with a player’s motivational complex – if you BELIEVE you can and are willing to do more than just a couple of comments now and then. Motivation is a day-to-day thing. Some people need more help to learn that than others.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Some people care about being the best they can be SD and some don’t. It’s the reason Josh Gorges is in the NHL, he pushes himself beyond all reasonable measures (playing on a bad ACL since his Major Junior days) to play. PK Subban could have been a lot more like MAB, but the guy has got boundless energy and a will to win so he has grown every part of his game while at the same time pushing himself to his physical peak. It’s also the reason Heatley despite all his talent, is on his 4th team in 7 years, he won’t improve himself and push himself the way he should to be a winner. Montreal’s entire drafting process these days has been about character and guys who want to win.

          And are we pretending Minnesota is a good team now that pushes offence and creates lots of scoring opportunities? Only two players have scored over 30G in their team’s history in Gaborik and Rolston and their own fans find their team has become boring to watch because of poor offensive results. Montreal has five players with at least 3 20G seasons on their roster and Pacioretty could put up at least 20 as well. As for Pouliot, you forget those Bottom-6ers by order of the depth chart now include Eller, AK and Desharnais. I’lll take those bets gladly.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

  36. DC-Hab says:

    IMHO I can’t see Semin bonding with our guys that well. Sure he’s a hell of a player but I cant see the chemistry with any of our current players. Theres just something about him I don’t like. For that cap hit and what we would give up.. no thank you.

  37. JayBee says:

    Caps are $2M over the cap and I believe they have a RFA to sign.

    What do you think of:

    To Montreal:
    Semin

    To Washington:
    AKost
    3rd rounder

    • shiram says:

      I think yes.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      If he could be had for that, do it in a heartbeat. Talent talent and more talent. We all like to remind ourselves of how he and Backstrom “rolled over” in the playoffs, but I think that is more symptomatic of that whole team including the coach.

      • shiram says:

        They faced a very hot Halak as well, who just would not let pucks in, combined with awesome self-sacrificing D.
        Still I’d take Semin’s inconsistency over AK’s.
        Caphit is high, but could be a worthwhile risk.

        • DearyLeary says:

          Semin shot the lights out in that series to boot 44 shots in 7 games, and some of them were beauties. I remember him looking like the most dangerous player on the Caps a couple years ago.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            So what if the delay on signing Gorges is because PG is talking trade and Josh is part of the dangle. I have said before, perhaps if this is the case PG is going to be a little classier than Doug Wilson who signed Setoguchi one night and traded the kid the next day unbeknownst to the player.

    • Mike D says:

      Don’t think it will happen. We currently have 8.3mil in cap space. Adding Semin’s 6.7mil and subtracting AK’s 3.25mil still means a hit of 3.45 added to our cap. Once Gorges and White are re-signed they will eat up around 4.0 – 4.3mil combined meaning we’d only have a few pennies left. We would still need a 13th forward and potentially a spare Dman to sign.

      Not a chance.

      Semin’s got world-class talent, but like AK, doesn’t bring it every night. He’s not good defensively which would make him a tough sell to JM and likely even PG, especially at his price tag. Plus if we got Semin, which current winger drops to the 3rd line?

      - Honestly yours

      • JayBee says:

        Gorges should not yield more than $3M. White will get $700-$800K. There’s room then to bring up someone from Hamilton.

        Also, you’re allowed to be 10% over the cap. If more cap space is required you will have to move someone…perhaps Spacek. This is why GM’s make the big bucks. ;-)

        • Mike D says:

          You have to be conservative in your estimations so as not to find yourself in a bad predicament. If you don’t think PG is a conservative-style GM, then you are sorely mistaken.

          Gorges might get under 3mil and it would still be fair compensation, but him getting close to 3.5mil isn’t out of the realm of possibility either. It all depends on how many of his UFA years PG wants to buy.

          I see you conveniently didn’t respond to my points about still needing a 13th forward, possibly a spare Dman, and which current winger would drop to the 3rd line. ;-)

          I like Semin too man, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think that trade would happen. We’d need to send them more salary to make him fit under our cap, and Wash. can’t really take more salary back.

          Also, see my other reply below :-)

          - Honestly yours

      • longbow says:

        And I believe he plays right wing. Cole and Gionta have the top 2 spots so where would he play.3rd Line? Can’t see it happening either.If I had him I’d probably flip him for something else.If he was a left winger I would move Cammy for 3rd line players.

        “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

        • Mike D says:

          I would never choose Semin over Cammy. Admittedly Semin’s playoff performance is a bit underestimated by some on HIO, but it’s still not up to par with Cammy’s. Cammy can also play the PK which is not in Semion’s bag of tricks.

          Also, remember than Semin is only on a one year deal and could very well walk next off season giving us nothing in return. Cammy is signed for 3 more years with us.

          - Honestly yours

          • longbow says:

            I wouldn’t do the deal for him anyway. Our top 8 are fine ( Think Gomer will bounce back ) I’m more concerned with 3rd line right wing and the 4th line.White is ok but we can do better than Darche and Moen and I don’t like the idea of playing DD out of position when Eller comes back.
            I’ve always liked AK and I keep hoping he’ll get it all together.When he’s “on” he’s just too good.

            “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Having to drop someone from the Top 6 down to the third line is not a valid objection to this trade, unlikely as it is. Adding talent to a team is what a GM is supposed to do.

        ———————————
        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

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    • Mike D says:

      I forgot to add that The Caps would also want more in return for Semin. They can’t take back much salary, so the compensation coming from our end (or any trade partner’s end involving a deal for Semin) would be numerous picks and prospects of the high-quality variety.

      - Honestly yours

    • thehabsfan29 says:

      i would do it in a second but i dont think the caps would

      plus where would u put semin?

      Hes not a 3rd line player…

      • Mike D says:

        The trade won’t happen, but if it did, Semin would be first line and first PP unit. He would be the most talented forward on the team, if not the most talented skater period. PLus if you wanted to re-sign him after his 1 year deal, you’re gonna have to keep him happy with his ice time.

        - Honestly yours

    • ABHabsfan says:

      With the Caps over the Cap, I think Mtl should be tossing an offer at Alzner. He is a solid, young d-man who would fit in well with the youth movement in Mtl and he can play right away.
      Your proposed trade is intriguing, Semin has a ton of talent and has likely the best wrist-shot in the NHL. I find it hard to get past that “fight” he had a couple years ago where it looked like he was playing the bongos on the guy. Embarrassing. Perhaps a trade including Alzner?

  38. TINMAN17 says:

    Anybody else hear that the Habs are interested in Semin, Espn Rumors have the Habs as one of a couple of teams looking into trading for him. There is also a link to a Winnipeg newspaper, that says the same.

    Born and Bred in Enemy Territory (Boston).

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Why would we need that playoff underperformer? He’s a pending UFA to boot and I doubt he’d hang around without a serious contract that MTL can’t absorb.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • DearyLeary says:

        I’d definitely want him on the team. The only post-season he really ‘underachieved’ was two years ago when the entire Caps team underachieved against Halak.

        My real question is what does a player like Semin cost on the trade market. I don’t know that we have the assets to give up if we want to stay competitive long term, and Semin certainly doesn’t put us over the top to become a contender.

        I just don’t know what the point of the deal would be, it’s good short term, but very likely wouldn’t be good enough, and will likely be horrific long-term if we make that trade.

      • shiram says:

        I understand that he is not clutch, but he still got 12 goals, 18 assists in 37 playoffs game, thats a nice ppg ratio.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        30 points in 37 playoff games is not bad. He had a very bad playoffs against us last year, but otherwise he has not choked like people say.

        I would absolutely take him but who would we give the Caps in return? Presumably they want to go for the cup this year.

        I would expect if he gets traded it would be another Heatley-Havlat style blockbuster.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Maybe Hammer is sitting in McPhee’s office saying, you know Gomez and Spacek were our best players in the playoffs. They were the key to us beating you guys 2 years ago. Hammer is a secret double agent PG let go there!

      • JayBee says:

        He’s got 30 points in 37 playoff games. What are you talking about?

      • Marc10 says:

        Yeah, he under performs, but so does AK46. I think with Pleks, that line would be sick. But we’d lose him at the end of the season for nothing… No question.

        Better win the Cup if you’re going to make that deal.

        “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
        Andy Warhol

        Go PK Go!

      • habsfansince91 says:

        Playoff underperformer? 30 points in 37 games says otherwise.

      • bwoar says:

        That’s just plain foolish, dude. Semin is a bigger threat to score than anyone the Habs have, or have had in ages. For your erudition, SF09, please consult his playoff stats: 37 games / 12 goals / 18 assists / +3 with 3 GWG.

        He had 1 series against us where he looked invisible and unfortunately that seems to have solidified opinions on him around here.

        I would deal anyone short of PK or Price for him and get an extension signed asap. Because he would instantly be our best forward.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Montreal wasn’t the only team he went invisible against in the post-season. Over his playoff career, he is either scoring or he’s doing nothing at all and if he’s getting 6.7 million BEFORE he’s a UFA I fail to see how Montreal can afford to add him to the roster w/o the expense setting them back considering he looks like a hyper-expensive rental.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • bwoar says:

            Scoring is what we’re missing. It really depends on the package that WSH is looking for. But getting an elite talent on a roster full of non-elite forwards seems like a no-brainer. If a fair deal can be found considering the upcoming UFA status, I think PG should jump on it hard.

      • ed lopaz says:

        have to agree with Serious on this one.

        Semin strikes me as a selfish type of player, not a guy that would blend well with Gionta and Gill and Gorges at all.

        Sometimes there is more to winning than simply evaluating the numbers of goals and assists.

        I pass.

        That being said, I believe that if the Caps unload Semin they will instantly be a BETTER TEAM and more dangerous come playoff time.

        The NHL is made for warriors.

        Selfish players do not help you win Cups.

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • C_exacte says:

      a rumor like that has to be worth $3 a month, $3 more than what the NFL & NBA will be paying their players next year

      le St. Hub signing bonus

  39. habs03 says:

    Hate him all you want, but Spacek has been +18 as a Hab.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I don’t hate him but age has caught up to him.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree with HF72, Spacek has given max efforts at all times of his career here in Mtl. Problem is injuries forced us to use him outside his comfort zone given his age. Problem I have with JM though is his insistence on playing veterans so much. Even this year with all the youth on our blueline, I wouldn’t be surprised to see JM use him as a 2nd/3rd pairing all the time. If played this season as 2nd wave pp and 3rd pairing mins. at best he will still be useful. Any more minutes than that, and age really shows.

  40. slychard says:

    Mike3131… Yikes, the whole year off? I like the kid, he has grit, determination, tenacity, anyone of those traits Gomer should be inspired by. No he won’t miss a single game as most think. He’ll be ready by season’s start and well all be the better for it.

  41. Mats Naslund says:

    Best news from the Hickey piece on Beaulieu: He’s from Strathroy (30mins from London) and is spending time in London this summer working out and skating with Tinordi. I love to hear that two guys who could be partners at the NHL level already have an established relationship. Can we fast forward 2 years?

  42. 100HABS says:

    Funny bug on tsn.ca, the lead stories are from February!

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/

    • punkster says:

      Hey, Leafs beat the Thrashers. It was a red letter day for TSN.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • punkster says:

      Headlines

      Brent scores winner as Leafs beat fragile Thrashers
      Dubnyk earns first career shutout in win over Predators
      Kessel: There’s no rift with Wilson, wants to remain a Leaf
      Bruins officially shut down Savard for the season
      Report: Pens expect Crosby to be out until at least March

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  43. TheKarl says:

    what is with all the Spacek hate??????

    I don’t exactly love the guy, and if I could have my pick I’d rather have Hammer….but its not like having him on the team is the end of that Habs as we know it.

    Someone remind me again, who led Montreal D’s in +/- last year?

    • DearyLeary says:

      Fans make weird assumptions when it comes to building a team. Your top 6 has to look like a top 2 from top to bottom.

      You need 20 goal scorers on your third/fourth lines.

      Your backup needs to be able to take over a season by himself.

      It’s just silliness. Spacek isn’t fantastic, but he’s a lot better than people make him out to be. I was also sad to see Hamrlik go.

    • Bigdawg says:

      Darn tootin’ Bra!

      SpaceCakes still provides tons of value – leadership, hockey sense, experience…..

      Sure he is overpaid (2.25M would be a good value for him) but its not like he ridiculously overpaid like some people like Don Cherry or Milbury :P

    • Marc10 says:

      Spacek said he wasn’t happy with his play last year and that he’d make adjustments to his training regimen.

      I’d like to think that’s the case. I mean these guys are pro athletes, so they are going to be fit, but when you look at ol’ Spacek, he doesn’t seem like he put in the same arse kicking training that guys like Darche or Gill obviously follow…

      Emelin and Weber are going to want his spot. He better show up ready.

      I think he’s a pro. I’m sure he’ll make the right adjustments and we won’t be sorry he’s around. Like Gomer, I expect Spacek to have a decent bounce back and help us make the show comfortably instead of crawling in.

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

  44. twilighthours says:

    How often do you wear habs’ swag?

    Me, rarely. I have 2 T-shirts, one hoodie, one ball cap. No jersey (sorry guys, a jersey shouldn’t be worn for fashion. You can wear one to the game or if you’re out playing shinny and want to get run at).

    I will wear a piece of habs’ gear for one day if and only if… after 1) a big big win 2) a winning streak of 4 or more games 3) a playoff series win.

    If they win the cup, I’ll wear that sh!t all summer (Ah memories of 93).

    Sorry for this lame post but I am super bored.

    • shiram says:

      Have no Habs gear.
      Had a bet going that if Gomez hit 10 points in the last playoff I had to buy his jersey, but he did not even come close.

    • avatar_58 says:

      I wear it all year round. Couple of name t-shirts, unamed logo shirts, toques, a scarf, couple of jerseys (subban / cammalleri most recent), etc etc

      Win or lose.

      • lukas-joshua says:

        I have so much Habs swag.
        10 or so ball caps
        2 toques
        2 jackets
        4 t shirts
        2 hoodies
        6 jerseys 2 are new ( subban / cammalleri )

        The people I work with, ask me if I ever buy anything without the habs logo on it. Well I answer is no not that often.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      really twilight? I jave several pieces, and wear them year round, including the day after elimination!!!

    • Fansincebirth says:

      Are tattoos considered swag?

      If yes, then my right forearm is a testament to The Rocket, Belliveau, (protraits) Dryden, Roy and Plante (masks) with all of the Canadien’s logos through the years….

    • flowerpower_74 says:

      I wear the habs stuff year round. I usually get hats and sweaters from my sister every christmas so there is no shortage of gear. I have 3 sweaters, 4 t-shirts, 5 caps, 1 jersey, 1 jacket, 1 pair of pants, 5 pairs of socks, 2 underwear, all I’m missing are the shoes to be fully decked out.(plz let me know where i can find some habs shoes!)
      Oh yeah i got a Canadiens License Plate in the front of SUV.
      Team Defence wins Championships…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I’m a ballcap guy, with many hab options. Wear them alot, especially when I know I will be seeing Bruin and Leaf fans.

      Couple nice golf shirts, golf driver head cover (it gets worn alot haha).

      Jersey is for game days at the bar or rink.

      And of course my dog gets a hab scarf put on for playoff games.

      Cheers, good topic twilight, helps fill the boredom.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I have a t-shirt I wear to bed or to the gym. It’s one of those with a ‘hard’ logo, so it’s all cracked.

      Otherwise nothing apart from my #10 jersey, which I only ever wear on the outdoor rink.

      Have a couple of glasses that I like to drink out of.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • kempie says:

      Wear my hat a lot. Have a jersey with the absolute worst game-day record. I wear it in the summer a bit. Also after things like the Cole signing, I wore it that day or the BOS/VAN game 7, I wore it the next day.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      All the time.

      Then again, I only have two t-shirts; Richard and Beliveau.

      Nobody’s going to diss those two. :smile:

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    • habs178 says:

      I have TONS of swag. Shirts, hats, socks, gitches, shorts, jersey’s…..u name it I try to have it….and I wear it all year long. Loves my Habs, and I’m proud to show it! :)

      “How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?”
      ~Jacques Plante

  45. twilighthours says:

    Optimist, if he’s that valuable to other teams, then he should have some value to us, no? Then why would we trade him ?

  46. C_exacte says:

    It’s the final year in Spaceman’s contract & it’s the final mission of the Atlantis shuttle, coincidence??

    le St. Hub signing bonus

  47. DC-Hab says:

    And AK started off the season great last year. I think starting him off on the 3rd line he won’t. But thats fine. It is the spot for him. I don’t doubt he’ll put up 20 and when he does I’ll be thankful and thats good production for a 3rd liner. Any injuries occur and AK moves up he could hit 25+ this year.

    Don’t get me wrong I’m not here to slag any current Hab players.

    • Bryan says:

      I think it’s important for the Habs to have this kind of forward depth… if an injury happens in the top 6, AK can easily slide up there and produce in that role. Adding Cole ensures that we won’t need to try and have Moen or Darche in a top 6 spot if injuries happen.

      _______________________________

      The Habs are making me slightly less bi-polar.

    • Cardiac says:

      What’s important to note is if a player is able to produce on the third line, he should theoretically be able to produce on the top two. However, if he can’t produce on the top two, how do you expect him to produce on the third?

      What complicates matter even more is what if a player is given a chance to play on the top two lines and doesn’t produce when, given his level of talent, he should (i.e. Latendresse, Pouliot, D’Ags, etc.).

    • nick says:

      I’m not saying your criticizing him by anymeans…
      That said, alot of people still do.

      One thing I find a little funny about all this is that out of all the players on the team putting 30-40+ points, aside from Subban, AK is the only player making less than 5 million.

      AK for the last few seasons has been a 40 point player. He’s consistently averages 0.55 points per game over the last 3 seasons. It would be nice to see 25+ goals, but we need to be realistic. Also have to keep in mind that playing third line minutes with Eller and whoever else isn’t the same as playing first line minutes with Cammy and Pleks or Kovy and Pleks a few years ago.

  48. pierre lapuck says:

    I wonder how you guys who think PG has screwed up, by not trading Spacek and Gomez, think he could have traded either one. Who the hell would want them for the reasons you all have posted. Pg may or not be a dud I think more time is needed to determine that, but we can’t know what the other GM’s are saying but my guess is they’re just laughing when the names Gomez or Spacek come up. It’s what 2 months till training camp, perhaps you can find someone else to pillory until you understand his job and then move on again., It’s really boring.

    • I don’t think Spacek starts the season in Montreal — that would mean either Weber or Yemelin spending most games in the press box, and that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

      PG has got to be thinking about dealing him, and believe it or not he’s a relatively valuable commodity. He logged big minutes last year, was quite reliable most of the time, and didn’t end up with the best +/- on the team by accident. Sure his offensive game has disappeared with age, and he makes $1M too much. But he’s only got one more year on his contract, so picking him up in a trade doesn’t mean being saddled with a monster commitment. I’d say we can get a 3rd for him, but I’d rather get a big young defensive centre who can win faceoffs and play a wing.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • Cardiac says:

        There is always a high demand for veteran defensemen around the trade deadline. I can’t see anyone interested in him before then. Unless a team gets into major injury problems like the Habs did last year.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Gomez and Spacek are untradeable. We can hardly blame PG for that. We can however, blame Gainey. :-)

      • ed lopaz says:

        one of the reasons why Martin must be moved upstairs, is his man crush on Spacek (and hamrlik) and the way they “play hockey”,

        In todays game, you need quickness or toughness or both.

        A guy like Subban has BOTH – which makes him a budding superstar.

        A guy like Spacek has NEITHER – which makes him useless.

        Move Spacek for a 4th or 5th round pick to a team that is looking for a veteran d-man and needs to spend the outrageous cap hit to hit the cap floor.

        Adding a healthy Markov and Gorges and subtracting Spacek and Hamrlik, this team would be hugely improved.

        Now I have to log out.

        I am entertaining 80,000 guests for a U2 concert in my back yard. :-)

        Hope I made enough burgers!

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • Andrew65 says:

      I hear we had several trades worked out for those two, but then the other GM’s started reading HIO and backed out. At least other GM’s are taking advice from us!

  49. DC-Hab says:

    I know I know.. Would never happen without others involved, or likely at all. Here’s hoping this is Kostitsyns break out year. It is a contract year for him so I wouldn’t be surprised if he had alittle more ‘Umph’ in his step. That said I would be cautious with a new contract if one at all.

    • habs03 says:

      Here is the problem with A.Kost, not a big fan, but playing him on the 3rd line with Eller and DD is good thing, I think he’ll still get 20+ goals, the problem is what do you do next season if he get 20+ goals. He will be a UFA, sign him long term at 4M plus, or let him go for free.

    • shiram says:

      Last season was a contract year for him as well, what’s the point?
      Ak right now is scoring depth on the third line, a luxury this team did not have in recent times. Jus enjoy the 20 or so goals he’ll bring.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      Yeah he may be inconsistant in the sence of him showing off flashes of incerdible talent followed by stretches of games of him being invisible, but when you look at his point totals over the last 4 years he is one of our most consistant fowards in that regard.

      When considering a contract for Ak you already know the guy is good for atleast 20 goals every season.

  50. Kooch7800 says:

    For those people underestimating the power of a physical grinder in the playoffs look at what Shawn Thorton did in the SCF. When he came in is when the series started to change. I am not talking about fighting I am talking about physicality.

    They create energy and can help swing momentum in a game.

    Moen is not very physical anymore. AK is probably our most physical forward and that is just sad.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I’m not convinced Shawn Thornton did anything of significance. He played 6 min per game, the least of any Bruin, and had one assist in the entire playoffs. I’d say Thomas stopping everything and Luongo letting in everything was the main difference maker.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        You can’t look at it just as TOI with Thornton. When he gets out there, that line would have a buzz saw shift for 40-55 seconds and just destroy us. That would create momentum, and 4 mins. later his line does it all over again.

        He only needs 2-3 really effective shifts per game to turn all the momentum. Boston was so deep last year they had the luxury to do that with his line.

      • adamkennelly says:

        wow….Boston completely dominated every important game in that series – they out muscled, bullied and took away the will of the Vancouver skilled players to compete. Its about confidence and attitude and Thornton played a large role in making that happen.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He created huge momentum in that series with his grinding down on the D making them make poor choices with the puck. HabsBurlington is 100 percent right TOI is not relevant.

      • Andrew65 says:

        I guess that makes Julien a bad coach for having benched him in the first place.

  51. SeriousFan09 says:

    AllHabs has also been busy watching the Habs development camp, their man on the scene was very impressed with late-round selection Daniel Pribyl.

    http://www.allhabs.net/canadiens-prospects/pribyls-skill-off-the-charts-at-habs-development-camp/

    Pribyl was especally complimented for his puckhandling and creativity, two great signs for an up-and-coming Centre prospect.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Be sweet if this guy turns into one of those great sleeper picks. Puckhandling and creativity can’t really be taught, they can work on his skating. Like the potential here alot!

  52. slychard says:

    You don’t have to RobertAlanFord… Like I said I had just woken up, I digress

  53. DC-Hab says:

    #2 for me.

    We’re not too far off as we’ve proven the last 2 years. Cole is a good pick up. Just one more and I’m a happy camper.

  54. slychard says:

    Ok SMARTDOG I’ll pick 5 … BUT only for the Spacek case, I’d really like to be done with him because he’s, simply put, done. Seems like a good guy but very slow. As for Gomez I’ve been as frustrated as all since his pick up but he played well with Max before his injury last year and I beleive he’ll deliver on his post season speach of embarresment and deliver the goods this season. Especially with the addition of Cole to bring stability on the top 2 lines, no juggling by Martin I hope. Another big center for 4th line would be nice though.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The line juggling drove me nuts last year. I recognize injuries played a factor, but JM is just way to quick to start throwing combinations out the window.

  55. DC-Hab says:

    I’d love to see James Neal on this team. I’d send Kostitsyn and a 2nd Pittsburghs way. I know it will never happen especially with Andrei a soon to be UFA while James will soon be a RFA. The two players are comparable though but I just think Neal is a better fit with this team and has a higher ceiling than Kostitsyn, here. We’ve all seen glympses of Kostitsyn and hope for that break out season. I just don’t want to let him walk for nothing and become a 30 goal scorer. Which is more than possible.

    Thats my only armchair gm move all offseason so don’t blast me too hard. I’m only dreaming.

    • Bugs says:

      If I was Pitt and you offered me that, I’d be like “why shouldn’t I just keep Neal?”
      Then, you would say “well, Andrei has scored more every year!”
      So, I would go “why don’t YOU just keep HIM then?”
      Then, you would be forced to answer “uhhh, cuz sometimes, he goes dormant and does nothing, especially in the playoffs, and he doesn’t seem to care about anything, ever, and to tell you the truth, we would rather have someone we could have more faith in.”
      And I’d go “riiiiight. That’s what it looks like to us too. Do me a favor and YOU keep’m, aw’ight? And we’ll keep Neal. Thanks.”

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Bugs, that’s when you say, yah but he needs these meds and they are WAYYYY cheaper in the states, so you guys can then have the good Andrei all the time for way less.

        • Rugger says:

          Since when have meds been cheaper down here? Bus loads of elderly are still heading north for the day to buy their meds. (granted that Pitt’s health insurance plan is much better than mine so it probably wouldn’t matter either way)

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Grasping at straws to help make the trade work rugger. Sorry, didn’t mean to mislead anybody, lol.

          • Rugger says:

            Wish it were true – picking up a $50, 30 day persciption today!

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Canadian drugs are subsidized via Canadian taxes, so shouldn’t they just be for Canadians at the subsidized prices with another pricing tier for furriner who don’t pay Cdn taxes? Or… are the quantities sufficient in US sales to introduce production efficiencies which lower costs over all?

            My point is these issues are complex, and we should just give reactionary responses without in-depth knowledge. I personally don’t think the government should be in the drug business period, except for safety regulation, but I appreciate that it’s a complicated issue.

      • avatar_58 says:

        Couldn’t this be done for EVERY trade? If you make a trade then you suggest the player is not what you are looking for, unless it’s a completely different position like a RW scorer for a goalie.

  56. SmartDog says:

    HABS CONTENTEDNESS SCALE
    Where do you stand? Choose which # most closely matches your mood about the team.

    FROM CONTENT WITH OUR PROGRESS…
    1. I’m really happy with the team as it is. I think we’ve got the bodies we make a cup run with in our organization.
    2. I’d like to see one more depth player added. Could be from a minor trade or a (still available) UFA.
    3. I don’t understand why PG has let the UFAs get down to slim pickings when we could’ve picked up some much needed depth/role players for relatively cheap.
    4. Sure it’s great that we added Cole but that’s just one guy. We still need a significant trade that would help our depth and add toughness and role players but I don’t see it happening and that sucks.
    5. PG didn’t get rid of Spacek OR Gomez, and we’re gonna get pushed around by tougher teams like always. New year, but the same problems, the same promises, the same weaknesses.
    …TO FRUSTRATED

    PS: Feel free to add a wrinkle of your own… but PLEASE no self-righteous trash talking. I want to know what people are thinking, if you start to say you’re right and everyone else is wrong, you’re just being a jack***.

    • shiram says:

      I’ll go with 2.
      But add that : Trading Spaced for a younger, faster more physical Dman would do tons of good. Also need a 4th line center, if White or another Bulldogs does not take it.

      • PeterStone says:

        SD .. i’m a soft 2 … with a sprinkle of 5. In other words, I would like to see O’Brien in, Spacek out. I am a little disappointed with Spacek, cause he played such an awesome series against Ovi 2 playoffs ago, and last year was just a disaster. Can he bounce back .. i think he can, but, would rather see O’Brien cause of the edge he adds.
        I do like that we have a ton of cap space, and I would expect we would make a trade for a significant player during the season.

      • issie74 says:

        I think I am #2 but I also would prefer the Habs call on Ham.kids for any help during the season and make a move via trade if necessary.

        NorthTOHab

        • G-Man says:

          2- isn’t there a lot of time between now and training camp, or, for the matter, the season opener? Isn’t there even way more until trade deadline day?
          Smart GMs will plug a hole here or there with the less expensive talent and see what the season brings. If the Habs are contending and can add more depth at the right time, why not?
          Perhaps, just perhaps, there will be a forward ready to step up to the big team and contribute. So, where is the fire?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I’m probably closest to number 2 SD… but you are definitely a number 3 on that scale. :)

      • SmartDog says:

        You’re close. I think I’m a four. :) I WAS hoping for a couple of UFAs to bolster our line-up but now I think we need a trade. And I’m sympathetic to 5 (but not that far myself). I do think we’re not tough enough.. a bit of different year, same sh$t… but with Cole, Markov, etc. I get the idea of seeing where we are. Oh – and we’re gonna suck on faceoffs. I don’t get not having a faceoff specialist like I don’t get not having a defensive coach.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I’m in the #2 camp.
      We’re looking pretty sharp, and we just need one more depth forward.
      I think that Spatcho and Gomo have the first half of the season to prove themselves as valuable and irreplaceable players on the team.
      At that stage (All-Star break or so) we can start looking around if they haven’t lived up to expectations, and I’m sure that someone will be willing to pick them up for some good returns.

      I’m quietly confident about the start of the season. We have youngsters who are dying to prove themselves and at least one oldster (Gomez) and maybe another (Cammy) who want to put last year’s inconsistency out of their heads, and out of the fans’ as well.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • GenerationYHabs says:

        I think Spacek as a dept dman should be fine, as long as our younger guys get the brunt of the work and allowed time to adjust and develope to an Nhl level.

        People keep bashing on Spacek based on his preformance in the series vs Boston, but I think most are forgetting that he had just come back from a prolonged injury. A healthier Spacek with a very very limited role won’t be the liability some people make him out to be.

        All this isn’t saying that I dont think his cap space could be better used elsewhere and that we shouln’t trade him if we had the chance.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Nice survey SD, I am in the #2 camp, with the wrinkle hoping trade would be more than a minor tweak.

    • Rugger says:

      1. with an asterik, the players are in the organization, just not all ready yet (the two first round D’s mentioned below, Eller, DD & Subban – yes he is great but only the tip of the iceberg)

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The team as it stands is not one of the top 6-7 teams in the league. No one who is objective would think so.

      Can we beat any team in a playoff series? Yes. Are we likely to win four playoff series? No.

      We are currently a longshot – at best – to win the cup.

      Could we exceed expectations? Sure. Maybe Gomez will play better, and with Pacioretty back maybe he’ll have two finishers to pass to. Maybe Markov will stay healthy. Maybe Yemelin will adjust rapidly to the NHL. Maybe Cole will turn Pleks and Cammi into a fearsome first line.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I really like the team if Markov, Patches and Gorges are back healthy.

      If I was GM I would make 2 more changes, both do not involve top 4 d-men or top 6 forwards.

      I would trade Spacek for a draft pick or a prospect.

      I would replace Spacek with a much tougher, bigger body d-man; a guy like Obrien would be fine. (Mara played well for us I thought, and he was much tougher then I expected, so he would be fine also)

      I would also move Travis Moen. Either Moen or Darche must be tougher as well, and I really like Darche, so Moen would be gone.

      I think instead of Moen I would like someone very agressive, a warrior type player, who forechecks very hard, and adds a ton of energy.
      Another Ryan White – but someone with experience – instead of Moen.

      Other than those 2 changes I really like this team.

      Hate the coach – but really like the team. :-)

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      I’m with a mash-up of 2,3 and 4. We need one more Dman, Erskine and O’Brien are still available and McCabe if he doesn’t command a god’s salary. IF we bring in another forward it would be via trade. Seeing as though the depth is wearing a bit thin and the new guys in Hamilton have yet to show what they’re worth, I say at least a second round pick would be in play and possibly a first. Could be packaged up with a player out and get two back.

      Thats just MY opinion.

      #2 I guess

      “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

    • I’ll go with a 1.5. :) Happy with the team in general, but we need two or three more relatively minor pieces of the puzzle.

      Not willing to freak out about PG not signing more UFA stars though, and we have to assume that he was doing his job and talking to them. thing is, a guy who signs somewhere else for $5M may well have taken $6M to sign in Montreal, considering the taxes. Plus, French-speaking Montreal has got to be a tough place to bring your unilingual kids and spouse, especially with our forced-French school system for people who immigrate.

      I’m not making excuses, I’m just saying we can’t assume that PG wasn’t trying to land players who ended up signing elsewhere.

      On that note, Prospal is still available, and I’d love to see him in a Habs sweater for $2.5M/year, two years. Even Kovalev wouldn’t be terrible if we can get him for $1.2M, say — at the very least, he’d be trade bait at the deadline for a playoff team with an injured top-six forward.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • LA Loyalist says:

      1. No way, unfortunately.
      2. Of course.
      3. I’m ok with PG on this, you can only eat what’s in the fridge. Rather wait until March and see where we are.
      4. We don’t have the depth to make a big trade, which is why we should have signed Wiz, then traded him in March if we had to. Wiz and Kostitsyn for someone serious, like a male center.
      5. PG probably can’t get rid of Spacek or Gomez, I don’t think we can hang him for that, unless he comes out and says he has faith in Gomez, then we just go down to Vieux Montreal with a rope and a milking stool.

      The grim reality is we are not ready for prime time, it’s not like the other teams have been playing scrabble all summer. That said, the kids look promising and in 2-3 years Gomer will be gone.

      The elephant in the room is coach JM. I don’t see anyone winning a cup with JM.

      In real life’d be the defensive coach on a low-ranking CFL team, they don’t lose by much, but they always lose. They only score when they return punts for touchdowns, or score field goals. His QB hands off every play. JM missed his calling.

      Do you guys really have confidence in him?

    • nick says:

      SmartDog – You forgot #6.
      Regardless of what moves the GM makes, people here will always piss and moan about the team.

    • mike3131 says:

      I’d say #3. With Eller injured, I was thinking we should give him the whole year off from NHL action and let him play with Hamilton so he can fully rehab and gain several pounds and come back in 2011-12 like MaxPac did this year. In the meantime, I was hoping for us to sign one of Arnott or Langenbrunner for 1 year for the sake of adding depth, size, and strength to the third line. Imagine a line of DD – Arnott – AK or AK – DD – Langenbrunner. We could also add another D-man.
      However, I’m content with the Cole signing and assuming we stay healthy, I think we could make a push for home ice in the playoffs.

    • Andrew65 says:

      Definite 2, but closer to a 1 than anything else. Another solid, experienced depth player is always great, but I like to think we have some good options in Hamilton to fill in for a while, at least. Trouble is, they may not be able to fill the role required. I think Palushaj would make a nice third line winger, judging by the way he came on after his call up. And Engqvist, I think, would make a decent checking/4th line centre. My main concern is what happens if there is a key injury (again). That’s when the experinced depth would come in handy.

    • punkster says:

      2

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  57. slychard says:

    Hey robertalanford get over it.

  58. slychard says:

    Maybe I was harsh (just woke up) but I’m not crazy, just tired of lame posters blasting trades. It’s done. Actually surprised it was removed. Didn’t think it was THAT harsh. PS birds are ok by me.

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      I was just tired of lame posters posting about other lame posters. We’re all just speculating over the remaining decent UFA’s and everyone has an opinion which they’re entitled to. As soon as someone walks in and trash talks people or their opinions directly…….. do I really have to explain. I dont feel like typing this……

      “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

      • Bugs says:

        (exasperated sigh)
        Laaaame… ;)

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • issie74 says:

          Hey Bugs! What’s cookin today(literally).

          NorthTOHab

          • Bugs says:

            Freshness of fridged ingredients dictates I make a cannelloni today. After yesterday’s debacle, I’m happy to return to the source, make somethin I can do in my sleep.
            Very, very easy. My great-grandmother, god bless her soul, made hers with tomato sauce, but I prefer white sauce with cannellonis. She also used sheep brains to soften the meat. That’s your call.
            Take your minced meat, put in bowl, season, (add whatever you want, me, it’ll be lightly cooked mushrooms), add cheese if you want (I got some emmental gotta move out) add egg yolk, mix.
            Fridge it 10 mins while makin béchamel sauce. Butter-flour roux. Add chicken stock and milk. Season to taste. Boom.
            Fill cannellonis. Cover COMPLETELY with béchamel.
            Add LAYER of cheese. Bought parmesan slices meself for just such operation but you can use chunks too.
            20 mins – 300.
            Boom.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • issie74 says:

            Sounds good to me,Bugs especially since you make reference to a Bechamel which most people do not.Bon Apetit
            Bon Appetit
            NorthTOHab

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    Here is a little article from Minnesota paper regarding owners feelings towards Guillaume Latendresse, sounds like they are hoping to have some discipline in his off season workouts this year.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/125167103.html

    • Mattyleg says:

      Ha!
      I like the whole “I have a lot of confidence in him” bit married with the “our people are going to be visiting him every week to make sure he doesn’t go to fat.”

      Now THAT’S confidence.
      Good aul’ Guimauve…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • SmartDog says:

        That IS rich I agree.
        But that’s what you have to do. These guys are making millions and if they perform well can be worth way more. I don’t know why teams don’t spend more money to work 1-on-1 with problem players. Pouliot is another example. If I were his GM or coach I’d hire someone to just work with him on his confidence, on his preparedness, etc. I think the Wild is doing the right thing. Habs to my eyes don’t do this sort of thing but should.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I think that keeping someone slim is significantly easier than keeping someone in a positive and confident mind-frame.

          One of the big problems with the NHL is that the schedule is so freakin’ packed that there is little time to do any kind of self-improvement that doesn’t involve physical work or game skill-work

          I was looking into teaching English classes to some of the players recently, and discovered that they just don’t have the time. When they are really ‘off’, they need to decompress and have real down-time, or they’ll get exhausted. Sessions with psychologists are tiring and distracting, and like anything, they need to be consistent in order for them to work. Being on the road half the time will destroy any kind of established regime.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Goalies are of course different (weird) but it’s interesting to read Dryden’s “game day” routine, which, in a nutshell, came down to an itinerary of little routines and distractions intended to entirely empty his head down to nothing, so that no thinking occurs during the game.

            Like I said, it’s a goalie talking, but interesting.

        • Bugs says:

          I don’t think Tendre Guidoune and Poolio are examples of the same thing.
          One can’t keep the baby fat off his frame.
          The other can’t keep it out his brain.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          At the risk of sounding too much like guy with glass half full. I really hope that in BP’s case it was just way too much going on upstairs and that they kept hitting roadblocks trying to help him in those areas.

          Perhaps in Gui’s case, while obviously it is his attitude towards working out that is the problem, this is a much easier fix than what was going on upstairs at Benny’s house.

          I wasn’t happy by the way when PG was hired, I thought the team didn’t search around nearly enough, settled to quickly and I didn’t care much for the track record PG had. Having said that, I am overall happy with the team he is putting together but extremely dissappointed in the NHL for selling a false bill of goods regarding how they planned to officiate and regulate the way the game is played.

        • punkster says:

          When the talent pool is as deep as it is for NHL players why spend the time and money on trying to help players who won’t help themselves? This is not to say that same pool is full of top flight players but we’re not talking about proven top flight players here. Works in progress would be fine to help if their shelf life was greater than the 5 1/2 years a player has today. A corporation will invest in their employess hoping to get 10, 15 or 20 years out of them but they won’t pay the obscene salaries these kids make for day-to-day office jobs.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Marc10 says:

      Yep. Work ethic… Same old, same old with this kid. And now he better be careful or he won’t be playing with Mikko…

      Any chance we could get Derek Brassard? Often injured, now slotting in under Carter in the depth chart…

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

    • shiram says:

      this guy is a “professional” being paid over 2 million dollars, and they have to baby sit him.
      Kinda funny, but if it works, it will be worthwhile for their franchise.

  60. slychard says:

    God more crap… Get over Kovy already. Like G- man said he was slow as molasses, just like he was slow to take Gainey’s offer before it was taken away… Thank god and good riddance. Don’t ever bring that kind of lifeless shit back on this club. Just as I thank god Jarg signed with Flyers and not us. Thank you god. THANK YOU!

  61. nek25plus says:

    Hey, to change the subject…what’s the skinny on Gorges? Anybody hear anything?

  62. RobertAlanFord says:

    With “I’m no GM” and a bunch of loud nasty finger pointing……….. reminds me of this carzy guy downtown thats shouts at birds.

    -When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro-

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      Edit: Yeah, they removed a post i was replying to. Way to go on playing doorman HIO!!

      “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

  63. kitbeyer says:

    Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel?

    Edit: Hmmm, this was in response to slychard’s nasty post but it appears it was removed while I was replying. So…this is really awkward.

    • Cardiac says:

      So Beaulieu was a steal at 17th? People said the same thing when we drafted AK47 in 2003…

      As the famous Jerry Maguire quote goes “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        Well he was ranked 5th overall for North American skaters by the international scouting service.

        But yeah, just because the AK draft didn’t work out as well as we wanted to 8 years ago, Beaulieu will probably be a bust.

      • HardHabits says:

        The 2011 draft IMO was very deep. Time will tell how well it compares to and whether or not it rivals 2003. Some mock drafts had Beaulieu chosen as early as 10th some as late as 14th. Most had him gone by the time the Habs stood up to the podium.

        Beaulieu is an excellent draft pick. I wanted the Habs to go for a centre and didn’t even see Beaulieu in the cards because I thought he would have been gone by pick 10. How anybody could not be happy with this pick eludes me.

        As far as AK46 is concerned. Nobody that I know said Kostitsyn was a good pick at 10th. Habs management of course at the time justified the selection trying to tell us that they got a steal. More like a 1st round dud IMO given the talent that went afterwards. AK would have been an excellent 2nd round pick though and for all his inconsistency is still a bona fide NHLer. Maybe you would have been happier with Hugh Jessiman.

        Slag AK all you want but to hit Beaulieu below the belt like this is a bit odious to say the least.

        He has top pairing, puck moving, offensively gifted yet defensively sound defence man written all over him. He could very well rival PK Subban as the most dynamic element on the Habs blue line in a few years.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I wouldn’t say the 2011 Draft is that deep, I don’t think some of these guys would have even been looked at for the 1st-round of the 2010 draft. Rivaling the 2003 Draft is not something I see happening with this group, 2008 was a bumper crop (and there are still good names from that group developing) and they’re still not on par with 2003. To me, this is much like the 2007 Draft, there will be some very good names coming out of this class, but there will also be some major disappointments.

          That’s being quite generous to Beaulieu there. I like his potential but his scouting profiles suggest he will be a very well-rounded defencemen who fits into a Top-4 group but none of his talents are going to be overwhelming, but he will do everything well.

          A strong pick in any case though, Beaulieu bringing a balance like that can really anchor a blue line.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • issie74 says:

            SF09 you continue to compare a draft class that was made up of two years of draftees due to the walkout.
            All the teams involved in this years draft seemed to think you had a very good chance of picking anywhere in the top 30 -60.
            I heard that repeated again and again.

            NorthTOHab

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            The NHL Lockout axed the 2004-05 season. The 2003 draft was a draft class that suffered no impact from it andt had Eric Staal, Marc-Andre Fleury, Horton, Zherdev, Bergeron all playing in the 2003-2004 season. There was an ’02 draft and an ’04 draft as well. How could any draft class have two years worth of names in it?

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

        • issie74 says:

          International scouting had AK 46 as high as #5 HH.

          He dropped because of a seizure,that scared some teams off.

          The draft is only what the talent level is thought to be,not a guarantee.

          As for me I was as happy as a pig in muck,when Beaulieu was available at 17th.By all accounts I was not alone as the Chicago Blackhawks were interested in moving up to #17.
          Beaulieu will return to the Sea dogs for another season and will be coached by Gerard Gallant(formerly of Columbus)and we will have a better idea by then.

          B

          NorthTOHab

      • LA Loyalist says:

        You draft talent. Maturity comes later… or not… very hard to project that out.

  64. davelecave says:

    I say offer Kovy a couple million. He’s a big enough body, guys don’t tend to take liberties with him. He fits into the team style of skill/speed, has an insane amount of talent and wants to play here so I’m sure he would take a discount. Play him on the 2nd or 3rd and 1st PP unit.

    Cammalleri – Plekanec – Cole
    Pacioretty – Gomez – Gionta
    Kostitsyn – Eller – Kovalev
    Darche – Whyte – Moen

  65. DC-Hab says:

    Grier would be a huge mistake. I don’t think PG has even thought about him. I don’t hate the guy and hes served his role well for teams before, but his age and role wouldn’t fit well with this team now IMO.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I agree, I just said the name intrigued me as I remember him being a serviceable player for various teams. Once I saw how old he is, and the real decline in all numbers you realize there is little benefit to bringing him in.

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      Heres a few of MY preferences for remaining UFAs.
      Forwards: Winchester, Kovy, Boulton.
      Defense: Erskine, O’Brien

      -When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro-

      • adamkennelly says:

        I like your list man. I would add Cam Janssen to it. He is a real shit disturber – be nice to have our Habs be dishing rather than taking.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Cam Janssen is a joke. A complete joke.

          • adamkennelly says:

            zzzzzzzzzz….I’ll take the Habs with my version of a 4th line vs. yours and better yet – vs. the rest of the league and we’ll see who the joke is…keep thinking Darche adds grit…its not only me who is laughing – its the entire league…must be a pretty funny joke.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Please credit Hunter S. Thompson for your borrowed quotation. It’s only proper.
        When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
        “Fear and Loathing at the Super Bowl” (Rolling Stone #155, February 28, 1974); republished in Gonzo Papers, Vol. 1: The Great Shark Hunt: Strange Tales from a Strange Time (1979), p 49

        Oh, and I can only hope you’re kidding about Kovaloaf. Here’s another quotation: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. ~Chinese Proverb

        Go Habs!

        • RobertAlanFord says:

          Proper?????????? Kovaloaf??????????? Chinese proverbs??? u ok?

          “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

  66. DC-Hab says:

    Fair enough but you know a pred fan would try and rationalize the move now ;)

    Regardless I hope he DOESN’T blossem in Tdot

  67. HabinBurlington says:

    Dick Williams past away, guy did a heck of a job for the Expos back in the day. Turned around his share of baseball franchises.

  68. 24 Cups says:

    Do we need one more piece to the puzzle?

    The Habs have only made one major move so far (Budaj doesn’t count), so they may want to try and sign a 4th line centre for the big squad and a depth Dman for Hamilton.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eric-Engels/Habs-Free-Agency-Boil-Down/82/36945

  69. DC-Hab says:

    That can’t be the only reason. No way they give up a promising young player for that reason alone. That is a valid point though. But again he’s young and can put up points. The rest will come.

  70. TomNickle says:

    Beaulieu, Tinordi and Subban is much more likely to be the situation the Predators just had with Weber, Suter and Franson. Fortunately, our team can afford to pay all of them and won’t have to trade one of them away for a #8 defenseman and a guy who will never play in the NHL.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Really is neat to see all the young depth at D in the organization right now. Tinordi, Beaulieu, Bennet, Pateryn, Nash, Weber, Diaz, Emelin.

      Good chance for quite a few to really develop and perhaps have some trade bait left over.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I think they traded Franson because they don’t think he’s very good. He’s a PP specialist, so had quite a few points, but he’s very slow and inept in his own zone. He had by far the lowest TOI of any Pred defenceman. Lower even than Shane O’Brien and Frankie the B.

      He was definitely not part of their top three.

      • TomNickle says:

        I don’t disagree that offense is his area of strength and that he has some work to do on his defensive game. But that should come in time. He’s a big body who doesn’t use his size much. Having Ryan Ellis and Jon Blum in their system doesn’t help Franson in terms of patience from the organization.

        There was a time not long ago when Ryan Suter was known only for his abilities on the powerplay and now many people(mostly American) believe that he’s better all around than Shea Weber.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          By the way I know jack-s**t about Franson or the Preds. I’m repeating what a Pred blogger said. Point is he was not viewed as the numner 3 guy in the organization – though he may well bloom in Tronna.

          I can’t think of anything I care less about than the Nashville Predators.

          Maybe the Columbus Bluejackets.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I still can’t believe Poile couldn’t find a better deal, would have thought he could have at least gotten a legit. prospect out of the Leafs or something better elsewhere in league. I understand the team couldn’t afford to pay Lombardi (as opposed to it being a cap problem) but to get rid of a legit starting Dman in the league for sweet dick all, that is very poor asset mgmt. And if the case involving SK turns out that he is UFA and they lose him, well this looks like real poor GM work on Poile’s part.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Hey maybe we should sign the Minsk Magician.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am sure JM is drooling at the thought of it, haha

  71. Greg says:

    Hey Guys! Guys! Do you think that Subban-Tinordi-Beaulieu will the next coming of Robinson-Savard-Lapointe?

  72. DC-Hab says:

    +1 It’s going to be great seeing these guys out there. And to think of the experience Subban is going to have by then. Will be exciting times.

  73. HalifaxHabs says:

    Subban Tinordi Beaulieu = Our great future on the blueline.

  74. kitbeyer says:

    Not really valid…Robinson, Savard, and Lapointe were not born hall of famers. They were all just rookies at one point. It’s fun to imagine. We do have quite the stable of young D-men it seems. In a few years, with them protecting Price we might never get scored on…which will come in handy since we won’t be able to afford any forwards haha.


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