The Islanders? Really??

Three blown leads, but a precious point.

A point slips away

Quotes from the room

Quick Hits and About last night …

Red Fisher on the no-quit Islanders

Dave Stubbs on the brawls in Boston

• Hickey on fighting

• Stubbs on backup goalie Joel Martin

Arpon Basu decodes Jacques Martin

Pierre Durocher on David Desharnais

816 Comments

  1. forskis says:

    Well my argument is that since it is Gomez vs. Gaborik…if Gaborik is so good, then why did they need a shootout in the last game of the season to get in, why didn’t they clinch earlier (the same argument can be applied to the Habs and Gomez)?…as for Tavares, he is the latest in a long line of Long Island saviors and they are still in the same place with him as before him.

    Besides, you would think that a talent like Gaborik could deke a goalie out his pads one-on-one regularly, especially with the season on the line.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  2. PrimeTime says:

    Desharnais would not be good as a winger in our zone and his skill set is more suited as a C in the o-zone.

    I’m sure PG is looking at all available options that does not mortgage the future.He gave 2 draft picks for Wiz….I don’t think he wants to give anymore, which is what selling teams want.

    Sellers are the only winners at trade deadline!

  3. ManApart says:

    Gainey was an idiot for aquiring Gomez period….. It has nothing to do with what the Rangers did  with the newly freed up cap space. Although Gabby had 40 last year. And is still is on 30 goal 70 point pace this season, even though he’s been in hot water for his lack of effort at times . Not sure what you are going on about in your last paragraph, but the Gomez trade was one of the worst in Habs history. Eveyone knew it at the time, and we have been proven right. Gainey and the few not so knowledgable fans on here that liked the deal have been proven wrong. There’s a fact for you.

  4. 24 Cups says:

    It sure is another tough week for Scott Gomez on HI/O.  I’m not here to pick the Gomez scab, but maybe I can offer a realistic plan for what could be done to rectify the situation.

    • Gomez has a cap hit of 7.3M for the next three years.  That means he’s untradeable and will never be picked up on waivers.  Wade Redden is living proof of that. 
    • His salary for next year is 7.5M.  That means he’s a Hab for that year no matter what.  Not to mention we don’t have anyone ready that can replace him.  Hab fans need to accept that fact.
    • 2012-13 is probably the earliest we could make a move to dump Gomez and his contract.  He will have two years left at 5.5m and 4.5M with a cap hit of 7.3M.  We place him on waivers and then send him to Hamilton when he clears.  We then recall him when another team shows interest.  We would have to share his salary and cap hit. 
    • The team that picks him up gets an experienced pro for two years at 2.5M a season.  They would also have to take a cap hit of 3.7M which in reality is an extra 1.2M.
    • We would have to eat 5M in cash which is easy to do when you sell out every night with 21000 paying customers.  We could also handle the extra cap hit for two years seeing that Gomez’s replacement would be Eller who certainly won’t be making more than 2M a season.  Once those obligations expire, Leblanc should be ready to join Pleks and Eller at centre.  DD might also still be in the mix.
    • Three years from now, the Gomez contract is off the books and we have Pleks, Eller and Leblanc down the middle.  Pleks will be 32 years old while Eller will have four years of NHL experience.  The perfect time to blossom.  Leblanc will have one (maybe two) year(s) of NHL experience.  Both these guys will have decent size as well as an ability to play both ways.
    • I realize it’s a hell of a lot of ‘ifs’, but it just might be the most realistic way to handle the Gomez mistake.
  5. SmartDog says:

    You make a good point.  But I think Fisher does compliment the Habs when they deserve it.  And we’re always tougher on family don’tcha think?

  6. PrimeTime says:

    Wow. Sorry you feel that way……it must really suck! But long term planning for a team should not include getting tough. It should remain on skill and talent. Combine it with size and now we’re talking. But adding a couple of tough guys would make the team weaker.

  7. krob1000 says:

    maybe because it is a team sport? Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook right now are on the outside looking in of the playoffs…guess they suck?

    Shootouts are a different animal..they actually do not favour real snipers if you look at the satistics onthe link I showed you you will see the top guys are not exaclt a list of Rocket Richard candidates.   

    1.   Petteri Nummelin MIN   8/10  =  80.00
    2.   Jeff Tambellini NYI, VAN   8/13  =  61.54
    3.   Michal Handzus PHI, LAK  10/17  =  58.82
    4.   Vyacheslav Kozlov ATL  27/46  =  58.70
    5.   Trevor Linden VAN   7/12  =  58.33
    6.   Jeff Hamilton CHI, CAR, TOR   9/16  =  56.25
    7.   Erik Christensen PIT, ATL, ANA, NYR  21/38  =  55.26
    8.   Jonathan Toews CHI  17/31  =  54.84
    9.   Shawn Horcoff EDM   9/17  =  52.94
    10.  T.J. Oshie STL   9/17  =  52.94
    11.  Frans Nielsen NYI  12/23  =  52.17
    12.  Joe Pavelski SJS  19/37  =  51.35
    13.  Ales Kotalik BUF, EDM, NYR, CGY  22/44  =  50.00
    14.  Rob Schremp EDM, NYI   7/14  =  50.00
    15.  Jeremy Roenick LAK, PHX, SJS   6/12  =  50.00
    16.  Jussi Jokinen DAL, TBL, CAR  28/58  =  48.28
    17.  Pavel Datsyuk DET  24/51  =  47.06
    18.  Paul Kariya NSH, STL  12/26  =  46.15
    19.  Viktor Kozlov NJD, NYI, WSH  17/37  =  45.95
    20.  Ladislav Nagy PHX, DAL   5/11  =  45.45
  8. HabFanSince72 says:

    Here’s a more optimistic view. There is no doubt that Gomez is in a major slump. Yes, it all started with some lazy play, but now it has morphed into something else.

     

    When Cammy comes back our three top lines are:

    AK46 – Pleks – Cammi

    MaxPac – Gomie – Gionta

    Bugs’ Boy – DD – White

     

    Maybe playing with Gionta and MaxPac gets Gomie out of his slump.

    That leaves us with pretty decent lines (with Halpern, Moen, Darche, Pyatt for the 4th).

    Our big problem remains on D, but maybe PG can get someone like Philips or Kaberle.

     

  9. twocents says:

    That’s pretty much the way I see.

    Except that, if Gomez can produce again in the playoffs and have a good season next year, he could be trade-able to a team that needs to make the cap floor, but wants to save cash. Any way you slice it, he’s here for another year, because of salary.

  10. arcosenate says:

    Why don’t we just lend him to the Discovery Channel he could go on Dangerous Catch, which of course he was when we traded for him.

  11. mrhabby says:

    send him to ahl now..rangers did it to redden. they don’t care. why not us…are we being to nice. i suppose its we don’t have anybody to replace him argument

    I was semi supporter of gomez not really getting involved in the slinging that goes on but so far this year he has not been very good at all and does he ever bring his wingers down with him.

  12. habsguy says:

    I’d say more realistic!!!!

  13. habs03 says:

    Looks like Darche might be out for the season.

  14. avatar_58 says:

    That’s a shame. He was having an awesome year and this hurts his chances for next year

  15. 24 Cups says:

    Tommy – We don’t get any extra cap space.  Darche makes the league minimum and whoever replaces him will eat up that salary.  If you replace Darche with White, the salaries cancel each other out.

  16. TommyB says:

    That’s gotta be a real kick in the nuts to J Martin, if true.  And if it is true, it does a couple of things.  It makes a deal almost an absolute necessity now, but unfortunately puts us into a weaker position than we already were in, for making such a trade.  Every GM understands how desperate PG is going to become.  But it also puts us in a position to have more cap space as the deadline approaches.  So it gives a bit more flexibility there.  Maybe a rental player to help weather the storm for the remainder of the year.  I’d maybe rather go that route, take some salary off someone else’s roster, and hold on to our prospects if possible.  No disrespect to Darche, and I’d rather he be playing.  But this might be a bad news/good news situation.  It’s not like we would be losing a goal scorer or stud Dman for the rest of the season.  There should be at least a couple of Darche clones in Hamilton to fill that void.  The extra cap space might give us the breathing room to make a deal that can really improve our chances down the stretch.

  17. HabsFansince49 says:

    Why is it that every team we play have hard-hitting giants on their offensive lines?

    I don’t pretend to be an expert; just a die-hard Habs fan passing my opinion

  18. savethepuck says:

    Source?  What is his injury, I only heard lower body?

  19. savethepuck says:

    Source?  What is his injury, I only heard lower body?

  20. Habs fan in Sens land says:

    While watching the last couple of games, something came to my mind. Most of us on this site would agree, Eller has shown us some flashes, but really needs to contribute more offensively (not to mention, most of our team needs to contribute more). However, during the few games that JM played Eller in his natural center position, he looked much more comfortable.

    While Desharnais has been playing good hockey and contributing as much, if not more, than I expected in his current role, it’s evident his size can be an issue for him while trying to battle in front, or behind, either net. As a center, there’s more defensive responsibility, and often times, centers will be amongst the biggest and most physical players. Most of the succesful smaller players (St-Louis, Fleury to name a couple) have historically (at least, to my recollection) been wingers.

    Why doesn’t JM try to play both on the same line, with Eller playing center. By doing so, Eller will be more comfortable and we will truly see what he is capable of. Also, being much bigger than Desharnais, Eller may be more useful around the net and battling on either, the offensive or even defensive end. As for Desharnais, he seems to be pretty a gifted playmaker, with a decent shot and good hands for tips. I’ve been mulling this over for a few days, and truly beleive this may benefit Eller, who I personally would like to see succeed in this organization, and may even help out Desharnais, is he also seems to be responsible defensively, albeit sometimes challenged in his current role by his size. By him moving to the wing, it seems that he may have more success defensively, not that I’m complaining about the defence I’ve seen from him, by having to do less grinding behind or in front of the net, while opposing players are attempting to screen our goalies…. Thoughts?

  21. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Kind’ve like how Halak’s crap play and Price’s great play has proven you wrong right?

  22. Rudy says:

    What play did he get hurt on? I don’t remember it, was it the brawl at the end?

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  23. krob1000 says:

    Pretty well exactly as I suggested only a few posts below. (perhaops you didn;t reaad the novel for lack of time or because I don;t check my posts gramatically most of the time)….Any teachers on the site will probably site you for plagiarism lol….however, it is often forgiven when you plagiarize an idiot like myself.

  24. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Because thats the template teams are using to build on. Big forwards with some skill and third and fourth lines that can give the other teams first line nightmares. You need tough players in the playoffs because it gets really physical, no fighting but lots of hitting, and smaller players wear down after three rounds of smashmouth hockey.

  25. habs03 says:

    Excalty, funny thing is we add salary, Darche makes 500k and White’s cap hit is 850K.

  26. Habs fan in Sens land says:

    Actually, Krob, I hadn’t even had a chance to read any of the articles or posts… I just kinda wanted to get that off my chest since I’ve been getting really frustrated watching these last few games. Either way, I guess I like the way you think.

  27. Mattyleg says:

    I liked White’s work ethic last night.

    He won most of the battles along the boards he went into.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  28. krob1000 says:

    I think the intent was to have a dman who deters guys from going to the ent during the play nd after whsitles, our guys get swatted around after every whistle, they are tentative to stand in front of other nets…our net is a drop in centre for opposing forwards…we have nobody who deters guys from going there..Gill is big, Picard is big, Hammer is big but none of them strike any fear into anyone…even Komsiarek as bad as he was between whistles was fantastic after them….he gave our keeper far more space…

  29. PrimeTime says:

    which imo size isn’t all that matters (no joke). Size is no good without skill.

  30. ed lopaz says:

    He could be. But he sure plays small.

  31. forskis says:

    Actually, it has a lot to do with what the Rangers did with the cap space…the minute Gaborik was signed, these boards exploded with “Gainey let the Rangers sign Gaborik” complaints so those two players are linked…the Habs made the playoffs with a “crappy” Gomez and the Rangers did not with a 40-goal Gaborik…THAT’S a fact as well.

    Besides, one bad season out of the 4 or 5 seasons left on the contract does not make the previous season and the forthcoming seasons automatically bad….so in the freaky, freaky, freaky occurrence that the Habs win the Cup in the last three years of Gomez’s deal, would that still make the trade one of the worst in Habs history and Gainey an idiot because of a bad season #2?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  32. ManApart says:

    Are you serious? Of course it makes him an idiot. Especially because most of us “fans” knew exactly how dumb a trade it was the day it happened. If Gainey couldn’t forsee the problems Gomez’s contract would cause and how his play had very much been deteriorating, and basically how dumb of a move it would be to trade McDonagh away for Gomez after all that, IS AN IDIOT

  33. fbkj says:

    again, dont care for fruity divers, maybe you do, who am i to judge

  34. 123456 says:

    so we needed a big solid tough dman last summer? with what money? trade markov to make room?

    there has only been 1 bad GM signing made in the past 2 years and it was of course gomez – but even at the time most thought he was somewhat overpaid but would still produce average numbers

  35. HABZ24 says:

    omg losing to isles in a shootout, get real. loves aulds mask very classy.dryden mask with hologram dryden faces in it.not like prices retarded mask with an ugly brown horse on cdns colors. with trade deadline of the 22nd, we need to move on it now before what we needs gone. koz sr has got to go this time.floater extraordinaire he is. desharnes speedy but come on hes gotta be five one with skates on,pyatt or white can get thrown in on a deal.  we need size and tuffness with some scoring ability.sandpaper type players. well never get past boston or philly if we dont size up quick.

  36. Mattyleg says:

    Once again. Just like Rivet for Gorges.

    What a dunce.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  37. dasbooth says:

    Has everyone seen the backlash over Kovalchuk’s OT winner last night? He dared pull the same celbration move that PK did when the Habs beat Calgary! Mike RIchards is fuming that Kovalchuk would dare show that level of emotion. The crack squad at TSN is calling him a show boat, and apprently the French media claims no one in the Jersey dressing room wants anything to do with him because he celebrated an OT goal.

    “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

  38. observer says:

    yeah right! and while ribeiro and modano were on the team at the same time – ribeiro scored over 60 points more than modano did for the stars

  39. fbkj says:

    of course im exaggerating, being said, to this day, dont care that is one trade i dont lose ANY sleep over

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw8ZZT8tOU

  40. habs03 says:

    use that lineup and loss by 10?

  41. Hoegarden says:

    Big is in you say;

     

    A.Henry 6-6, 230

    J.Bonneau 6-3, 232

    A.Conboy 6-4, 208

    B.Nash 6-3, 210

    JT Wyman 6-2, 203

    I Schultz 6-2, 205

    A.Engqvist 6-4, 197

    A.Avtsin 6-2, 200

     

    There’s your lines 3 and 4 and a pair of D for the next Boston game. Give the boys a taste of the big leagues. Let them loose.

    Sit our seniors; Hammer, Spacek,Gill as well as Gomez, AK, Eller and 2 more non-producing F.

     

  42. HugeHabFan says:

    I cannot see a doctor disclosing patient information to a random person. Does not make sense.

  43. observer says:

    re: PG is looking at all available options that does not mortgage the future  —– since when did these 2  ever care about protecting te future as they have traded away so many #1s,#2s and #3s that are the reeason so few players have been developed here on this team and the past couple of years teams?

  44. ManApart says:

    Yes absolutely. I was screaming for that last summer and was heavily critical of PG, after seeing what happened in the Flyer series, I knew we couldn’t compete with that type of team. PG went out and got Eller and Halpern and that’s it. And people wonder why I always talk about management’s incompetence.

  45. fbkj says:

    agreed dallas gave us too much

    anybody complaining about that trade is a moron, ribeiro was a disgrace to the jersey

  46. observer says:

    halaks team in the better west. habs would not even have made last years west playoffs.

  47. observer says:

    you better believe it still was a stupid trade by gainey/gauthier! for the hottest goalie in the league these brains got nothing but a player from denmark who never was or will become a top scorer.

  48. Hobie Hansen says:

    Now that the dust has settled from that crazy game in Boston the other night, who cares about last night’s game, I think the emotions have cooled a little and everyone is thinking a little more clearly. I listened to the radio shows, TV commentators and read all the comments and articles on this site after the brawl fest in Boston. The majority of people, including myself believed that Montreal desperately needed to muscle up and that Gauthier best get to work in order to address that issue.

    Looking at it today, we’ve got to work with what we’ve got at the moment. There’s not going to be a complete overhaul of the team before the playoffs. Our most pressing need is another solid defenseman, and hopefully we can acquire one at the deadline.

    In regards to the toughness concerns, what is really missing from this team is a genuine 3rd line. Our bottom two lines are a bunch of top six failures or top six long shots. Most teams do have a couple players on those lines that maybe one day will become a top six forward but also have a solid checking line with either some good penalty killers, agitators or an enforcer or two. Montreal does not have that.

    We’re missing that line that can pin the opposing team’s best line in their own end for a complete shift and frustrate the heck out of them. I haven’t seen a game in a dog’s age where a Habs checking line has received a standing ovation for banging around the other team in their end, resulting in an offensive faceoff for our top line.

    In regards to adding fighters, Laraque was brutal, but I really don’t remember Lucic poking our goaltenders or running at our star players when he was around. We need a heavyweight that can keep things in order and so there’s one big fight at center ice instead of eight of our players getting beat down all night.

    It’s clearly obvious the officials aren’t going to protect our team and send us on the PP all night.

  49. observer says:

    gaineys trade of ribeiro for ninima another beaut

  50. Ice Storm says:

    An aside from the “Smurfs will never take down Gargamel” debate…   I am on a pilgrimage of sorts. I am from victoria, BC and had the good fortune of winning a “Hockey Day in Canada” trip through an event my Friday hockey team puts on annually to rasie money for the MS society… I am currently on a train from Toronto to Montreal and will be taking in the Habs/Leafs tilt (dare I say tilt?) on Saturday…  As a life long habs fan that has yet to make it to montreal, I am giddy to say the least (I also took in the Leafs/Devils last night.. meh) So I ask you mes amis…   for suggestions in how to best enjoy my stay in Montreal..   plans thus far: Schwartz’s for smoked meat… tour of the Bell Centre and the Canadiens Hall of Fame (I understand ticket holders can do this on game day) Keep in mind my girlfriend is with me so the lap dances will get a rain check  :)

    Thanks in advance!

     

    Combination for success: 46-14-13

  51. habs03 says:

    ahahahahah, not sure if your serious, but I was joking, thats why i wriote JK

  52. cautiousoptimist says:

    Hi folks,

    I haven’t posted quite a while, but just wanted to respond to Displaced’s comment:

    Safe is becoming our trademark.  I’d be more optimistic that there’s a Cup in our future if we rolled the dice, swung for the fences, or reached for the brass ring.  If this team isn’t going to win it all, break it up.  If it has a shot, make the big moves.  Until we start taking chances are theme song as fans might be Stuck in the Middle with You.

    I’m not saying he’s wrong necessarily — just that I don’t agree. : )

    I guess it comes down to a personal choice: would you rather have a team that sucks for years, rolls the dice, builds a beast, finally wins a Cup, and then is forced to have a fire sale a-la-Chicago, struggling mightily again just to make the playoffs the following year?  Or would you rather have a team that’s exciting to watch every year, that doesn’t always look like a contender but that always competes, always makes the playoffs, and is always a threat to be a giant-killer (taking down the Pens and Caps in the playoffs, say)?  Is it worth it to win a Cup if that Cup run is sandwiched between many years of crappiness on either side?  Even worse, imagine rolling the dice for a Cup run, mortgaging the house and selling big parts fo the future to build a great team in the present, and then not winning

    The question isn’t about whether we need to add a few extra pieces, get a little tougher, tweak the team so it competes better against the Bruins and Flyers of the league…  It’s about a fundamental philosophy of team-building.  And for me at least, it’s about what keeps us coming back to the arena and the TV screen year after year.  For me at least, it’s all about the fun.  Your brain might know that a few years of crappy hockey are a prelude to something bigger, but that doesn’t make it any more fun fro your heart to watch your team get shellacked all season.  And the folks calling for a fire sale might ultimately be right in terms of long-term success, but I suspect that the teams they’d build wouldn’t be much fun to watch most years.

  53. TommyB says:

    Sh*t.  Cancel my previous statement.  I must have still been dreaming of my approaching vacation. 

  54. punkster says:

    Well Steve, I respect you, your knowledge and your opinion and this seems to be a reasonable approach for the future. It’s the likely fallback position though it does nothing to resolve the issue today. As you say he’s a Hab now and through next year and people have to accept that fact. That’s the most difficult part for those who truly believed this particular team was capable of making a Cup run this season, or even next. At this time we can only hope either Gomez alone or he along with the coaching staff can figure out how to get him back on track. None of us can have the slightest influence or impact on that so we’re stuck here just crossing our fingers and hoping for the best. Acceptance and patience are difficult things for fans to learn.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  55. blu3chip says:

    Gomez is overpaid, there is no doubt about it. But he is a solid 2nd line centre, if not 1st line in some teams.

    I think he is worth around 5 mil. That means we lost 2.3 mil cap space for nothing.

    Is 2.3 mil a big deal, yeah sort of, but it is not the end of the day. I don’t think it is bad enough we need to send him away while taking half of his cap hit (3.7 mil), unless we are getting something in return.

  56. ManApart says:

    That’s a dumb statement. You say it’s a team game, and then compare the standings like Hlalak and Price are solely responsible for where their respective teams stand. The Blues have not made the playoffs 5 out of 6 years. On top of that, they have had more devestating injuries than anyone. They’re not very good. I am sure Halak would have the same or better numbers than Price if he were with the Habs. I mean last year, on definately a worse defensive squad, he had better number than Price has now. If Halak was a Hab and Price a Blue, the standings would be the same.

  57. forskis says:

    So ignoring the Higgins and Valentenko part of the deal…Gomez for McDonagh…a trade for an established player (no matter what people think of him) for a prospect…GEE THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE…

    Besides, the team needed a centre to go with a hopefully improved Pleks at the time..who else would have fit the role of top-2 centre that could have been possibly been attained….not many options at the time…

    In any case, my point is, the way people are jumping on Gomez is the way people were all over Price the last 2 seasons…he was practically run out of town until PG did his thing.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  58. observer says:

    and mara and boyd and spacek and mab – moen dont look too great either anymore – and the lack of cap space was overpaying hamrlck and gomez even being here put there by the 2 gms.

  59. Mark C says:

    Much of the year? Sid’s been out 15 games and Malkin out 13 games out of 56 games played. At least your name isn’t the “mathematician.”

  60. forskis says:

    I am not getting on the Get Rid of Gomez Train…is he in a big slump right now?  Yes.  Is he having a bad season?  Yes.  But guess what?  EVERY player goes through it…they have good and bad periods and even good and bad WHOLE seasons….you all go around and accuse him of not caring and jsut cashing a cheque…HOW THE HECK DO YOU KNOW?  How do you know that it isn’t bothering him?  How do you know that he isn’t trying?  Easy targets, are just that, easy…does not necessarily mean they are the right target.

    We know what Gomez is capable of, we have seen it…just because it isn’t there now does not mean that it is gone forever.

    Every player experiences it…look at Drew Doughty, he is having a poor season by the high standards that we hold him to…does that mean LA should dump him fast and hard for ONE poor season?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  61. 24 Cups says:

    I don’t want to speak for Ed, but I think what he was saying is that Picard doesn’t play like he’s 6’3″.  To be honest, Gill doesn’t play like he’s 6’7″.  They certainly can use their size to ride out or corral their opponents, but they don’t hit anybody or put the fear of God into them.

    I know I’ll be unpopular for saying this, but I thought Gill should have punched out somebody’s lights in the Boston game.  I know that’s not his style but still…..  The word’s kind of out on how Gill plays (his game) in Montreal and teams are adjusting.  They also realize that Subban and The Wiz have major gaps in their defensive coverage.  Once again, they are adjusting.

    I’d hate to think where we would be this year without Hamrlik.  He has repeated his heroic efforts from last year.  Not sure how much longer you can ask a 37 year old to play 25 minutes a game, night after night.  He’ll be toast by the playoffs (just like in 2010).

     

  62. ed lopaz says:

    on this site, you will NEVER get support for the position that management is the problem.

    and to Gauthier’s credit, I like the Wiz, and I like Eller (although I wish we could have gotten a power forward instead of a center).

    I watched Martin’s Senators get beat up and intimidated by the Leafs in the playoffs – and lose – year after year after year.

    The Sens were always more talented – but they lacked the grit to fight off a tougher Leaf team.

    Martin does not believe in tough, gritty, hockey – it  might lead to stupid penalties – which, for Martin, – is not worth the grit and toughness.

    Its not his style – and he continues to get hired – so there are NHL executives who agree with him.

    on this site,  HIO posters support the Habs players AND management.

    until the Habs start losing……..

    then even the greatest and most experienced fans (last year) were calling for Martin’s head.

     

  63. observer says:

    hockey hypocrite/goons try to injure players and talk about other morals should be. 2 of those fools on team 990 every friat 9am-10am – dykhuis and bobby dollas who both are great critics of morals – and those 2 stiffs think they were stars when they played. dykhuis about subban knocking him said when the other announcer said subban is playing for his fans who loved it – dykhuis jumped in “oh no – players dont play for the fans – they play for thye other players on the team” — this is what these canadian high school dropouts think!!!!!!!!!1

  64. forskis says:

    Ridiculous…Tim Brent of the Leafs pulled the celebration when he scored against Atlanta last week…and NO ONE COMPLAINED….just pure bias against Europeans, the Habs and skin color.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  65. Clay4bc says:

    Show me a team that Gomez is a top line center on and I’ll show you a lottery team…

    Don’t really want to get into this debate (I’ve already said my piece, and I stand by it), but that had to be said…

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  66. Rudy says:

    It would be interesting to see what Markov, Gorges and Cammy’s comments and reactions while watching the Boston game (if they watched it). Has there been any sighting of Gorges since his surgery?

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  67. PrimeTime says:

    you missed my point and Pens won’t be a better team with their injuries either. I’ve never seen green bay play hockey so mute point

  68. Mattyleg says:

    Just like to say that it’s such a nice thing to see such rays of sunshine as Observer and ManApart on here.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  69. krob1000 says:

    I don;t know why this bothers me so much but what did everyone have agaisnt Craig Rivet that they think we absolutely hosed the Sharks in that trade.  Rivet was here for the rough years and I think people forget the guy could actually play and while a step down offesneively from Souray, but easily a step or two up defensively he had the same heart and passion.  Rivet was a team guy from day one. We got Gorges who has emerged as a number 3 or 4 guy and he is a character guy,etc but so was Rivet at the time.  Now he is 36 years old but San Jose was intent on makign a run, they did what teams do they traded a yung prospect for an established, tough dman who could also contribute offensively…

    If a 32 year old Craig Rivet were available right now…that is what I would be trading for to help us out.  He was a leader, a no nonsense guy who also put up 35 points in Sj in his full year there, he then went on to captain Buffalo, now he is too old…but at the time that deal worked out as it should have for both sides….had San Jose not had a choking Nabokov that deal could have went down as a great deadline move, had they not choked the next year the trade would be viewed viery diff’tly…either way…..neither of us won a cup….sure we still have Gorges…but what good is that now that he is hurt….he and Rivet are still both not playing….I like Gorges but he is extremely overrated on here…he is a role modle to all for diff’t reasons but Rivet at the time of that deal was better IMO or equivalent to what Gorges has become…and in  our teams particular case I would love to give up our next Josh Gorgeswho is years away from prime time for two years of a still effective Craig Rivet type if there is one available.  We have many dmen moving forward that are undersized…we need a damn Craig Rivet type…as sad as that is for many to believe.

     

    I am sick

  70. ed lopaz says:

    accepting the fact that Markov and Gorges (and maybe Darche) are done for the season,

    does that mean that we are no longer trying to win the Cup?

    well, I refuse to give up on an entire season.

    to me here is what the team is missing:

    1) replace 1 of the bottom 6 forwards with Ryan White – and let White forecheck, hit, and play his game

    2) acquire 1 more scorer – Fisher type of player – not a cap heavy star that will kill our farm system, but a guy that knows how to score 25 goals per season –must be gritty, 200+ pounds, and not afraid –  add this player to our top 6

    3) acquire 1 solid, hard hitting, plays with edge, d-man; a 3rd pairing type, stay at home who can add  in terms of physicality; 

    the players who need to be removed from the starting lineup are:

    Pyatt, AK 46 (in a deadline trade), Webber

    even without Markov and Gorges, Habs could make noise in the playoffs with HOT GOALTENDING + these 3 changes.

    someone mentioned moving desharnais to the wing and eller to centre.

    I would try that move – I really like desharnais as a guy who can put points on the board, and I’m convinced that 

    Eller is lost as a winger. Eller needs to play Center not wing.

  71. Mattyleg says:

    I’m with you on that one, CO.

    As long as we compete and not make a mess of ourselves, I’m very happy.

    I was talking with a buddy the other day, and we came to the conclusion that people who subscribe to the ‘fire-sale-tear-it-all-down-and-start-again-from-the-management-to-the-skate-sharpener’ concept should just support another team at the end of the season. New management, and a whole brace of new players. Yay!

    I’m not one for ‘short-term choke for long-term cheer’. That concept is as alien to me as the guy on your cosom hockey team scoring on your own goalie during a loss, claiming ‘we were going to lose anyway.’

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  72. krob1000 says:

    just picking at you…..it was kind of funny because it was so close to the other post and on the same page lol I have no monopoly on Habs fanaticism and I liken us to they typing monkeys..at some point one of us will type every possibility in the Habs world

  73. db says:

    Im a very chill guy and it appears Gomez is also, honestly Id like to hang out with him in the off season.  He seems to have lost the fire on the ice.  Something needs to happen to him ‘upstairs’ as its all in his head..  Hes smart, witty, a great lockerroom guy.. but something is missing.  He has the talent, maybe lost the creativity or the drive.. im not sure what.  I sure hope he finds it, has some sort of epiphany.. cuz he doesnt seem to care too much.  He’s not talking on the ice, not getting involved.. Ok, so he’s overpaid.. please stop hating him because he hired the right agent.  Lets just hope he wakes up and starts to try new things. 

  74. forskis says:

    Right on.  I am not sure what changes are to be made…I trust management to do what is right given the facts and what is available.  But I for one, do not think the season is over.

    Heck, everyone on here was ready to firesale and end the season when Gorges was added to the long-term injury list with Markov and then the team went on to win 10 of 15 games or something like that.  The game is played on the ice by the players, not by us and our emotions.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”


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