The hole gets deeper

Bench
The loss to Buffalo – along with a win by the Islanders and a point for Tampa Bay – dropped your Montreal Canadiens into 13th place.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Dave Stubbs column

Red Fisher column

Dario Ayala’s photos

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Mitch Melnick fills out Pierre McGuire’s job application

The Sid saga

343 Comments

  1. habs17 says:

    Habs would be laughing stock of the league if they arnt already, if we hired pierre mcguire for gm maybe james duthie can be our head coach
    I support Scott Gomez

  2. J_P says:

    I have a question for all the Mcguire lobbyists here. Ive seen some comments from people who are for hiring Pierre Mcguire saying things like “what do you know?” or “what are your hockey credentials?” to the people who are opposed. Stupidities like that. So let me ask you this:

    To the best of my knowledge, Pierre Mcguire has not worked for an NHL franchise since 1996-1997 (15 years) and has been passed over multiple times for front office jobs.

    What do YOU know that the 30 team presidents who choose not to hire him dont know?

    Obviously, there’s a reason he keeps being passed over. He hasnt been involved with an nhl franchise in 15 years and the game has changed tremendously since than. For the habs to hire him would be an extremely huge gamble, and a complete panic manoeuvre.

    EDIT: Scotty Said so is NOT a valid answer. Scotty is a coach (the best of all time at that), and currently a SPECIAL ASSISTANT in chicago (might have something to do with STan being the general manager). Last I checked, he was never a team president, nor was he ever the general manager of a stanley cup winning team. Not to take anything away from him, but 30 CURRENT LEAGUE PRESIDENTS don’t hire Pierre Mcguire, so why does Scotty know better?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      “People don’t realize Pierre was a hockey person for 10-12 years before he became a media person. He has tremendous work ethic and ambition. He’s networked with so many people around the NHL for years. If you look at some people who have done good jobs, some of them, all they needed was an opportunity.”

      -Scotty Bowman on Pierre McGuire (“Melnick In The Afternoon TSN 990 Dec 23, 2011)

    • Storm Man says:

      JP.. I guess the bottom line is Scotty Bowman does not know what he is talking about.

      • J_P says:

        Scotty knows a lot, but dont you think that maybe his personal close relationship with Pierre Mcguire might have something to do with the endorsement?

        • Storm Man says:

          Well it is like a good friend of yours you take his CV into your boss and say “this guy would be perfect for this job and I back him 100 percent”. Would that be you giving a endorsement?

          • J_P says:

            Yeah but the point keeps coming back to how does scotty truly know that Pierre would make a good GM? Has he worked alongside pierre recently and seen his GM skills first hand?

            No. Even Scotty knows that his endorsement isnt good enough to get Pierre Mcguire hired. He did a nice thing, but at the end of the day, 30 Presidents of the national hockey are going to make their decision, and not hire him simply because “scotty said so”. Scotty is a god amongst coaches, but once again, he’s never worked as a team president having to hire a GM, and he never worked as a GM himself, and especially not in a Salary cap world. Pierre Mcguire has experience, but hes been out of the game for 15 years, and the game has changed a lot. “Scotty said so” just isnt good enough. If you have any REAL arguments for hiring Pierre Mcguire, I look forward to hearing them.

  3. jmsheehy19 says:

    I vote John Bellyful as new GM. And Craig T Nelson as the new HC.

  4. Mattyleg says:

    Afternoon everyone!
    Bit of a nutty day… late coming on here, and depressed to see people waving the Pierre McGuire flag.

    I’ve said it numerous times before, but I’ll go very briefly into it here:

    Those of you saying that PM’s personality doesn’t have anything to do with his qualifications are way off. It’s personality that determines everything. PM’s personality shows us that he is not a thoughtful person:
    His appearances on TSN show us that he often misinterprets the plays and gets extremely excited when there is not always cause to do so, which renders him prone to exaggeration and hyperbole.

    These are not, in my opinion, very admirable or desirable characteristics in a General Manager. Someone who is calm, cool-headed, and considerate would be a much more desirable GM than someone who could very well get caught up in the heat of the moment (as PM so often does) on Draft Day or Trade Deadline Day and do things that are emotionally-motivated rather than intellectually, or motivated by calm consideration.

    For those of you who say that “He Knows Hockey”, he is paid to be on television and know hockey, so I would hope that he does. Don Cherry knows hockey, but that would not make him a good GM. Same with Ron McLean and Bob Mackenzie.

    This guy is like Budweiser: see him on TV enough, you might even be brainwashed into thinking he tastes like a good beer.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habsnyc says:

      Ironic how PG’s moves are often described as being motivated by panic, yet he seems very even keeled in public.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I’ve never considered his moves motivated by panic. I leave that up to the people who are “AntiPG”, and will couch any of his actions in negative language.
        When your team isn’t doing well you try to fix it. There is no panic involved, you just do what you have to do.
        I don’t think that PG is the best GM ever, but I also don’t think he deserves the vitriol poured on him by some posters.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • FlyingFrenchie says:

      You can’t knock something UNTIL you try it.
      Everyone thinks they know,
      but in reality they don’t know.
      What we do know…
      Anybody would be better than the plank we have now.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Sir Thomas Beecham once said, “Try everything once except folk dancing and incest.”
        You can, however, make informed decisions, rather than try everything regardless of its chances of actually working or not.
        And no, not everybody would be better than PG.
        He signed Cole, for instance.
        You just dislike him.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I disagree with pretty much everything you wrote. The funny thing is you are going mainly on his on-air persona, and I don’t think that is all him.
      I don’t know if he would be a great GM, but I do know he has coaching & scouting experience, and that he has had at least 2 interviews for GM jobs. I don’t see any harm in the Habs considering him for the job. Give him an interview and see if his vision aligns with what the Habs want. If not, move along.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think that nobody is that bipolar to be two completely different people in real life and on TV on such a regular basis.
        What you see is what you get, I believe.
        I see plenty of harm in considering him for a job. There are others out there. There is no point in giving an interview to someone you’re not interested in. And the Habs (I would hope) aren’t.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • smiler2729 says:

      Is Pierre Gauthier’s personality better than Pierre McGuire’s?

      ___________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • Mattyleg says:

        That’s a good question.
        I don’t know who is ‘better’.
        But given the choice of the two, I’d choose PG every time.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bripro says:

      Matt, I would offer you this argument.
      A TV analyst has to show more emotion. That’s part of the profile.
      It’s part of their live schtick.
      A GM is supposed to sit back, observe after having gathered all of the facts from his sources and make decisions based on these efforts. That’s not a just-in-time type responsibility.
      I’ll give you that on TV, McGuire may come across as abrasive at times.
      But if you listen to him on TSN990 in the afternoon, his perceptions are far more astute.
      I admire his perceptiveness, but important is his across-the-league knowledge. Players, coaches, GMs, the scouting program, the European leagues….. he seems tied into all of them.
      And he interprets them in conversation in a very composed and professional manner.
      IMO, based on what I’ve seen and heard from him, he’s a far superior GM candidate than the already entrenched GM the Habs have the misfortune of employing. No contest!

    • J_P says:

      DING! Good points!

  5. --Habs-- says:

    Imagine this! You have young players like Lars, Max, DD looking up to who for leadership? Gomez? Thank God Cammy’s gone because he was the other no show. AK is more or less useless. Cole is a great role model but he’s 50 games into a Habs career.

  6. db says:

    1st, PM as GM is not the same as PM the TV guy.

    2nd, check out this Radulov move:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vn31F-ln1uo

  7. shiram says:

    @JohnLuTSNMtl:
    #Habs Leblanc is being recalled to play tomorrow in NJ. Undetermined whether he’ll play centre or wing.

    Engqvist sent back down also

  8. Bripro says:

    I would like to remind the McGuire bashers that aside from his years of hockey experience, at various levels, he’s seen as a huge potential by none other than Scotty Bowman.
    But then, perhaps Bowman’s resume should be put into question.
    After all, what has he achieved?

  9. Phil C says:

    Cunneyworth has improved the Habs’ net presence, his player accountability is better than JM, and he has shown more faith in young guys like Blunden and Emelin, but there are still some serious problems with how Montreal are playing:

    1. The neutral zone trap is very poorly executed, and is quite frankly awful. They often sit five players back without any puck pressure. The trap will only produce turnovers if there is puck pressure, otherwise it loses all its advantages. Even when they do apply pressure, they often give the other team the redline, allowing for an easy dump-in without risking an icing. Without pressure on the puck mover, the Habs players rarely pick off neutral zone passes because the defenseman has the time to make a good pass or simply gain the redline and dump it in. My 10 year old daughter who just started playing hockey this year was watching the Detroit game and she spontaneously said ” Oh my God!! Why aren’t they pressuring!?!?” When I said I really don’t know why, she said “They need to talk to my coach.” If bad fundamentals are obvious to a 10-year-old house league player, how can one of the best franchises in history get this so wrong? How can you be a “trapping” team, but then be so bad at it?

    2. The power play still is really bad. The players are too static and they don’t take the shot enough when a shooting lane opens up. Without the threat of a shot, the defenders can cheat to take away the pass, so the pass gets even tougher. The goalie can sit back in his net more to defend against the east-west pass. They need to shoot and move more to open up vulnerabilities and to keep the goalie honest. They have enough talent and enough good shooters, so again I attribute this to poor coaching.

    3. The line combinations are flawed because they are not putting the six best offensive players together. I love Blunden, but he does not have the hockey IQ or the poise to play with AK. One game they had Moen, Blunden, and Darche on three different lines. To Quote Sun Tzu, if you try to be strong everywhere, you will be weak everywhere, therefore a principle of war is to concentrate force on the enemy’s weakness. The Habs need to put their six best forwards together to give them the best possible chance of generating offense and synergy between like-minded players. Bourque needs to move to the Eller line, or AK needs to move to the Pleks line. This may break up the Eller line, but the Habs are wasting talent by not giving Plekanec and AK two good linemates consistently. The two-and-a-half-men line is successful because it is the only line with three offensively gifted players.

    4. The 7 D system is creative, but the only real advantage has been making Weber or Campoli available for the powerplay. But Weber never looks good on the PP when he is playing less than 10 minutes a game. They need to choose their six best defensemen and get four lines rolling again. Last night they really could have used an energy line. They can’t expect Cole and Plekanec to play over 20 minutes a game for the rest of the year without breaking down.

    5. Face-offs are still not good enough. It absolutely kills your PP if it starts with the puck being dumped back to your goalie. The coaching staff should be addressing this weakness more.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Thanks for a very informative comment.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • J_P says:

      Excellent post. Couldnt agree more.

    • Bripro says:

      I agree totally. I’d add two comments.
      For no. 2, I would add that they should stop the dump and chase. It never works. They would have to time it so that a forward gets to the puck before the opposing D, who are already near the back end.
      They need to carry it in, and get creative immediately with a blitz. They play the PP all wrong.
      I’d add a no. 6. Line Changes.
      At times last night, they weren’t bad for a change, but at times they were as brutal as ever.
      Why can’t they keep a man deep for every change to keep the pressure going?
      These 3 men-at-a-time changes don’t work, and give the opposing team the chance to skate into our end on almost every occasion.

      • Phil C says:

        Good points, they have guys who are good enough to carry it in on the PP. The lack of puck pressure on line changes points to the overall passivity of their playing style.

  10. Strabo says:

    If one were to toss the language issue aside, or not if you prefer. Give me a GM, Coach, and Assistant Coach. Male or Female from anywhere in the world. Who would you pick?

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  11. --Habs-- says:

    The problem is even bigger. Now your paying big time ticket prices for sub par performances on “most” nights……..The stands should start showing signs of empty seats…..Looked like there were plenty last night. Not talking sold seats here but seats that were paid for but empty.

  12. ont fan says:

    Let’s face it..most of us wouldn’t know a good GM or coaches if we fell over them. We know a few of the top ones but none that are available now.

  13. Strabo says:

    Couldn’t we just go out and get NHL 12 and run the GM feature? The money we would save on paying for an actual coach, could then be given to the players. Place an add on Kijiji and your off and running.
    Wanted: Experienced Gamer. Must have latest Xbox/PS3 and current copy of NHL(must be at least 2011v). Fibre-Op connection preferred, HS connection ok, NO DIAL-UP Allowed. Must have a verified copy of lease agreement for at least one year, if still living in parents basement. Only those that will be considered for employment will be contacted. Thank you.

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  14. Habsrule1 says:

    One thing seems obvious. The people who do not want Mcguire as GM simply resort to insults that have no value in the argument and shows they don’t know what they are talking about.
    I’m not sure if McGuire is the answer, but anyone who knows their ass from their elbow know that he knows A LOT about hockey and about junior prospects. He has had 2 or 3 interviews for GM jobs and did not get them. How many people you know have had interviews for GM jobs in the NHL? This tells me he is well respected and people in the hockey world believes he may make a good GM. At the end, they chose someone else for possibly personal reasons.
    He also loves Montreal and seems to want what most fans are dying for: bigger, tougher players.
    What’s the problem here? Give the guy an interview at the very least!

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      100% agreed.

      There is a contingent of people on here that have been brainwashed into believing that you can throw together a finesse team full of smurfs and the other 29 teams in the NHL are going about it all wrong.

      The Bruins and all the tough teams should be suspended for life and there is a huge conspircacy against the Canadiens.

      And when somebody on television points out the Canadiend are small and can’t compete, that person is anti-Canadiens and is a total idiot.

      • Stev.R says:

        First of all the idea that size cures all problem is too simple and stupid. Look at Gill! What Boston has is size AND skill. People who think size is the only option are way oversimplifying the matter. It’s not the Canadian size that causes problems, it’s that they only have a limited amount of skill.
        Size is only useful if you know how to use it. ex: getting to lose pucks first, take aways, protecting the puck, getting to tough areas, blocking and screening.
        If you look at the last playoffs, we won three games not from our size but when we used our size intelligently. We didn’t get hit (literally got out of the way everytime a hit was coming), used speed to move the puck and to get to loose pucks, and went to the tough areas (front of the net, corners). If you have a big player that won’t do that then he’s as useless as a small player that won’t do that. Sure size can be an advantage, but you guys are looking at height more than you are looking at the player.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Stev.R I agree 100%.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I’m not sure who said anything about wanting ONLY size. It’s only part of it for sure.

          As far as “look at Gill” goes, the guy played a big role in the pens Cup and he may be the single best penalty killer in the league, but no, besides using his size for the reach that comes with it, he doesn’t really play like a big guy.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • avatar_58 says:

      He’s an arrogant blowhard who has no GM experience. Case closed.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Thanks for proving my point.

        1) Personal insult
        2) No GM experience. Not every good GM had GM experience before starting somewhere. The man arguably knows more about prospect/drafting than most scouts & GM’s in the league.

        Case reopened. If you don’t like the guy, that’s fine, but it’s not a reason for the Habs to not consider him

        Thanks for playing.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • avatar_58 says:

          Yes it is. I want someone with proven experience. Not some guy who thinks “I can do better”. I don’t want Roy either.

          So if that means keeping Gauthier a little longer till a good GM arrives – so be it

    • Storm Man says:

      very well said… A lot of ps3 gamers on here that think they know hockey.

    • J_P says:

      My issue with mcguire is that he often uses revisionist history to make a point. Its very often comments made in hindsight. He will often be the first to remind u that he said something correct in the past, but he obviously will never admit that he was wrong, unless someone called him out on it. People claim he knows a lot about prospects and is good at scouting talent, so how come he isnt actually scouting talent and earning the right to become a GM? You’re never going to become a GM when you’re too busy playing TV analyst and trashing every other GM in the league. If he really wants to be a GM he needs to get involved with an organization, even as an assistant, and earn his stripes.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I’m not against him getting an interview but the big question is if he is such a great hockey mind why can he only get jobs in broadcasting? He has been out of the actual real hockey world for well over a decade on the media side. If he knows so much why would he not have a job with a team in some manner ie a scout, assistant coach, assistant GM…anything for that matter.

      I personally think he is a terrible broadcaster. He will ride a player and tell you how terrible they are and then they will score and they are playing the game of their life.

      I can’t speak for him as a coach but he never lasted long doing that either…..

      I think people who keep beating his drum might want to look with someone who actually has experience as a GM to help us build for the future

  15. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Why are most people missing the obvious, the Habs main problem this year is a bottom feeder PP.

    They have, for the better part of the post lock out era, had a great PP.

    Poor PP means two things, you will get hit more because there are no consequences, and you will score, way WAY less, as goalies and D systems have greatly improved.

    Our PP is shit, lets face it, its a stationary PP… those work when everyone has a cannon for a shot (and goes on net, preferably not in the goalies chest)…

    As i recall with Koivu, Kovalev and company the PP was like a swarm of wasps, even when it wouldnt score it would get several good scoring chances..

    Last year it was soso, this year its just awful, and how about Eller and AK instead of gome and some others…

    • shiram says:

      Last year MTL was 7th in the league clicking at 19.7%
      That’s not so-so.

    • Stev.R says:

      Koivu, Kovalev and co. were also really good at making short give and go passes.

      Reasons why the season has turned out bad:
      1. Injuries (second most man games lost in the league)
      2. Stars not producing (Cammy, Gomez, Gionta, Markov, Subban, Pleks recently)
      3. 8 players playing in their first or second full season in NHL. (Can’t be helped, players need to develop)
      4. Awful PP.

      I think this is objectively the obvious reason for the season going the way it has gone. I know we like to scapegoat JM and PG but they can’t really be held responsible for #1, and #3, and #2 is easy to bash in hindsight. #4 falls not only on the coaches but also heavily on the players. PG has done almost everything he could to fix #4.

      • habsnyc says:

        1. PG’s fault because he expected top mintues from aging undersized vets and the organization lacked depth.
        2. Players, coach and PG to blame.
        3. PG’s fault for turning over too much of the roster, allowing too many defensemen to leave in the offseason, not replacing forwards who left.
        4. PG’s fault for not trading for or siging a pp qb when he had the chance. Last year he went with the band-aid this year he went with nothing.

        The team started the season scrambling to get enough players to make a full NHL roster. It stunk in the preseason and was never ready to begin the year. How is this not entirely the fault of management?

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  16. Storm Man says:

    I always get a good laugh on here with some of the posts. The few on here saying why Pierre McGuire is a nobody does not know how to draft players ect ect ect. If that is the case and you make such a long post about why he should not be the next GM of the Habs, is it ok what I ask what you do for a living and your hockey background is? oh btw ps3 EA sports hockey does not count as a hockey background. Some of you on here live in a fantasy world.

    • Stev.R says:

      I played for 15 years. Not at the highest level, and not at the lowest. I’m probably average in hockey IQ. And some of the shit Mcguire says is so stupid that even a below average person looks at him and is shocked at how dumb he is.

  17. If we’ve got to trade one of DD, Eller or Pleks, then it’s not a hard decision — Pleks would bring far more assets in relation to what we’d be losing, and moving him would free up a big chunk of much-needed cap space. But rather than go for high draft picks or prospects, I’d look to package him, a promising prospect and a 3rd-rounder say, for a real impact player — someone along the lines of Bobby Ryan. I’m sure they’d love a solid 2nd-line centre as Koivu and Cogliano aren’t quite living up to that role.

    Speaking of Koivu, he makes $2.5M and is a UFA this summer, and would surely do much better in a 3rd- or 4th-line role in Montreal than in a 2nd-line role in Anaheim. I bet we could sign him for that same very reasonable amount or a touch less and let him retire a Hab.

    And incidentally, if Shane Doan hasn’t resigned with Phoenix by July 1st, the Habs would be nuts not to try to pick him up for AK-type money. Big, strong, can score, workhorse, veteran, the nicest guy in the league and Price’s cousin to boot.

    So where do I send my CV for the assistant GM job? : )

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  18. Kappy says:

    My Two or Three Sense…

    1. Absolutly NO to McGuire as GM. He is a MONSTER KNOB!! I would really question my faith as a long time HAB fan if he was hired.

    2. There is A LOT of HABS fans outside of Quebec, so why does it matter if he speaks French? Just hire the best man for the job. This debate is ridiculous and it makes the organization look foolish.

    3. The current team is close to being very good in my opinion. But we are missing one very big peice of the puzzle and that is a Superstar forward who we can score 80pts a season. I say trade the UFA’s for picks at the deadline and let this team play out the season. That way we should get a top 5 pick and hopefully that will bring the missing piece we need.

    • Aybara says:

      You don’t like Mcguire because of his personality. Big deal, who cares about what the guy is like in person if he wins us games. I find it funny that Mitch even mentions this is how people would react in his article.

      “Pierre McGuire has his detractors. For them, it’s not about hockey knowledge. It can’t possibly be. It’s personal. Or it’s based on Pierre’s personality”

    • sanman_11 says:

      Agree with #1.

      #2 is a condition not optional. It may seem archaic but the requirement will not be suspended.

      #3 Problem is that top 5 pick may not be NHL ready so the ‘current team’ may not be the same once the pick does. If the same buffoonery continues then there is no reason to believe we will have a decent team to surround that pick with.

  19. Seps says:

    Let me tell you from watching the english TSN quite alot over the past few years… PIERRE MCGUIRE IS NOT THE ANSWER ! The jock-sniffing – yes, he has a jock collection- little egghead only knows players junior careers which don’t always translate into the NHL. Example a) he would’ve been all over Corey Locke because he shattered the OHL scoring race with 160 some odd points 10 years back yet all he’s been is a career AHLer. Example b) he always gets caught up in the hype of players, he would’ve went all out to sign Brad Richards to a gargantuan contract last summer because he thought he was a monster… Well guess what, Pleky is tied with him in points at 33, would’ve been just another Snomez on our team. McGuire would only make this team more of a laughing stock in the NHL.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Zero of what you just said is true, better luck next time.

      • Seps says:

        You don’t watch the english TSN ever do you?

      • G-Man says:

        Brad Richards does have 33 points…. ;)

      • ffenliv says:

        While I agree with you in general about McGuire, I don’t agree about Corey Locke. Sure, he has been a career AHLer, but for no discernible reason. He has 3 or 4 seasons down there where he was better than 1 point per game, and yet he’s had almost no shot in the NHL.

        I didn’t even know he was still playing North American hockey until I saw a piece earlier in the week from Kilrea, wondering why he hasn’t had a real shot.

        • Seps says:

          You’re right that he hasn’t been given a real shot but he’s been in 3 different NHL organizations and none of them have deemed him fit to play more than 5 games… A true mystery. But my point was that you’d assume a guy like that is gonna bust into the NHL getting points like Turris is with Ottawa, he’s going to make himself look so good you can’t turn him away.

    • Bripro says:

      I supposed you’d rather have a Michael Landsberg running the show?
      Yesserie boy, that Toronto Sports Network…now there’s credibility!

  20. Stuck_in_To. says:

    I’m not as sure as some on this site that building a cup contender is pure science and that the past few GMs have ham-strung the team but I believe that having a bunch of small, speedy, skill forwards was definitely the wrong roster to hand Jacques Martin, and sticking with JM for so long was also nonsense to me, but explaining the vagaries of individual player performance mostly remains hypothetical except for one probable truth: most teams figured out how to play against our small, speedy, skill forwards as constrained by the JM system which in turn partially explains some sub-par seasons. But I wonder about the following:

    Was Markov the right mentor for Subban if Markov had played for the last two years or did the Habs err in not finding a UFA of comparable skill sets to teach Subban? I don’t doubt Subban will round out but the process will take longer than it might have.

    Subban and Price … after this year, how much do you want to stay in Mtl. given that a large contingency of the fans are jackals and their braying just attracts the media hyenas? Organizations eventually seems to take on the disposition of their fans … think of Boston. And it makes sense … your fans are your bread and butter driving your revenue. Habs fans used to be the smartest and classiest in the league but too many of us have let internet ignorance inform our knee jerk instant gratification responses … and the quesiton remains, why would a UFA sign here? Not for the history of so many cups of which the last was almost a full two decades ago … they’d sign here for the culture.

    What is the current culture of the Montreal Canadiens?

    Is Pleks just heart-gutted after doing everything he could for this team for the last couple of years? I would think a guy who gave as much as he did over that time would be severely impacted by the sh*tstorm that swirls around that dressing room this year. And is that a reason to trade such a talented forward? (By the way, imagine him playing for the Red Wings …)

    Eller is being brought along slowly. Developed. Isn’t it time to heightened the pressure? Give him Borque and AK and make them the second line. (Pleks needs to coast out the year as the third line shut down centre.)

    Borque is still relatively new. Give him something to play for and something to reach for … like consistent top six minutes with a centre who can help make things happen. Eller.

    I know a lot of people think Gomez has been playing better since he “returned” but I think one of the biggest detractors from team moral has been the Gomez issue: the No.1 centre failing to produce for two years. I’m not arguing that he helps the Habs’ puck possession game … but that holding on to the puck isn’t enough. He should have been dealt with in the off season. No use crying over spilled milk and the chance of a new CBA might provide a graceful solution. Here is hoping …

    I’m not throwing in the towel because I watch the team win or lose but I get a lot more enjoyment out of watching a developing and growing team than I do out of watching a dysfunctional and deteriorating team. I’d like to see the team come up with some solid prospects and picks and ice a younger team next year with a couple of options that will increase competition to hold down a regular job. Then I’d like to see a little patience in allowing that team to develop.

  21. ffenliv says:

    Erik Karlsson, a 21-year-old Defenseman, has almost 25% more points – a total of 48 (8/40) – than ANY Habs player this year. Ouch.

    Is that what were are/were hoping Subban will/would become? He’s on pace for 30ish points, which is alright, but I really thought, 2 years ago, that he’d be a regular 50-60 point d-man by now.

    Apparently I’m as good at predicting the future as Environment Canada is, who today copped to an incredibly messed up long-term forecast for Winter in Canada this year … if you can even call what most of the country has seen ‘winter’.

  22. habsnyc says:

    Montreal has been unable to sustain an above .500 record this season. There is no evidence they will play above that level for the balance of the season.

    The powerplay is a problem. Last year, that problem was solved with a band-aid. The team had ample time find a longer term solution, instead they tried an unproven solution, then fired the powerplay coach. The more recent solution was to commit more dollars and years to a powerplay quarterback deemed past his prime by the rest of the league.

    Defense has been a problem. The team turned over half the defensemen on their season ending roster and replaced them with rookies or players still recovering from injury. The solution was to wait for a player to recover from injury. We are still waiting.

    Offense has been a problem. The team watched its oldest players get older and instead of getting younger, signed a very effective veteran to a long term contract. The solution was to trade a small player with a high ceiling for a cheaper large player with an average ceiling. That may have been a step in the right direction.

    The offseason will offer new challenges. The top young players are on short term contracts and the older underperforming players are on long term contracts. It would seem the possible solutions are to wait until the contracts expire or to eat the contracts.

    When the mistakes made on offense, defense and special teams
    are compounded by bad contracts, coaching instability and internal squabbling, the poor results are not surprising.
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  23. ont fan says:

    Read an article about insurance on players in the NHL..each team insures their top 5 to 7 contracts and if they are hurt or can’t play, like Crosby or Markov, after 30 days the team is reimbursed fo 80% of their contract until they can play.

    • habs03 says:

      It was reported by the team 990 that the reason why Markov got a 3rd year on his contract was because of the insurance he took. Not exactly sure what kinda policy it was but that was a key reason why he got a 3rd year.

      • sanman_11 says:

        Sorry but Team 990 is a joke. They talk in circles and rarely investigate. They are too busy drinking the HABS cool aid or worrying about getting shut out from the PR sessions.

        • Lizardking89 says:

          I think you’re wrong about team 990, Marinaro is critical of the Habs and so is Mitch Melnick. Marinaro is an idiot though but neither are drinking the Habs koolaid.

  24. HabFanSince72 says:

    I asked this last night during the game.

    Why is Randy Ladouceur our D coach when Larry Robinson apprently wants the job? (And even if he doesn’t?)

    Nothing against the guy, but what in his resumé (journeyman defenceman, assistant coach for the Maple Leafs during their bad years (*)) makes anyone think he should be our D coach?

    I heard him interviewed and he has nothing really to say about anything.

    (*) I know I should be more specific …


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  25. habs17 says:

    i can’r wait till we start the rebuild once one domino falls the rest will go as well trade every1 but price

    I support Scott Gomez

  26. Hobie Hansen says:

    Just finished reading Mitch Melnick’s article on Pierre McGuire and I agree 110%.

    McGuire is the type of guy that would NEVER buckle under pressure, even to save his ass and make a completely stupid move like like trading for Tomas Kaberle and being stuck with that completely stupid contract.

    McGuire would come in here and build around a model of a St. Louis, Philadelphia o the best team in the league, Boston.

    He loves big, tough and physical players and he is not afraid to sit on his hands rather than cracking under pressure and trading/signing garbage players as a band-aid solution.

    He also wouldn’t be afraid to tell the French and English media to go boil an egg!

    • Seps says:

      Oh mon dieu, these losses are getting to your head, lets get you some help immediately.

      #failfornail

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      St.Louis? Are you kidding me? They’ve had a decent half season, but when was the last time they even won a playoff series?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Look at the future not the past HabsfanSince72. The St. Louis Blues are building their team the right way. Are you blind?

        Plus you are the softest contributor to this site and the least knowledgeable about anything involving a winning hockey team and are just upset team smurf is crumbling.

        If it were up to you the teams would exchange flowers at center ice before each game.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          You know Hobie, all those bar brawls don’t mean you’re hard.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Hasn’t every real hockey fan been in a bar brawl, all the ones i know have?

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Yes but everyone you know has been in a bar brawl. I bet you were conceived during a bar brawl.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          I rarely jump in on another’s argument, but I for one really appreciate 72’s posts. He often plays devil’s advocate using rational arguments rather than yelling aimlessly.

          Even though I disagree with your points a fair amount, I enjoy your posts as well Hobie, but calling one of the better posters here ” the softest contributor” and “least knowledgeable” is unnecessary and incorrect.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Boil an egg… I just pictured his bald head floating in boiling water.

      He was smiling, though

    • Bripro says:

      I’m with you Hobie.
      They guy really knows his stuff.
      Just listen to him in the afternoon, and you can tell immediately.
      They need someone who thinks differently than PG, and that’s McGuire.

    • ffenliv says:

      The biggest problem with McGuire, is that most of the fans here, and around the world (habs fans, that is) would have to eat all their ‘Brian Burke is a media whore’ comments.

      That, and he’s annoying as can be. During every interview, every time he mentioned a player’s name, he’d probably give their junior team history, and then shout something about them.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      The habs organization is at a crossroads right now and need to figure out a long term plan this summer. HOwever hiring Pierre McGuire would be equivalent to the Islanders hiring Mike Milbury in the 90s. WE can retool and become a strong team by 2013 or we can fade into ambiguity ike the Isles have for the last 18 years.

      People I would rather see then McGuire as GM include:
      – Yvon Pedneault
      – John Davidson
      – Rejean Houle
      – Francois Gagnon
      – Matt Millen (ex Lions GM)
      – Jerry Jones
      – Jacques Martin
      – Steve Lawton
      – Daryll Sutter
      – Gretzky and his 2006 Olympic Assistants
      – Isiah Thomas
      – Red Fisher

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Uh HELLO? McGuire would be the exact opposite of Milbury, are you that out to lunch?

      • Bripro says:

        Milbury = McGuire?
        Only the first initial!
        Milbury is a tool! Was a decent hockey player, which bought him a place in public broadcasting (probably from Cherry).
        He knows nothing about nothing except how to blow, real hard!
        McGuire is a walking encyclopedia of hockey knowledge and is a very good judge of a player’s abilities.
        I recall most of the comments on Mitch Melnick’s blogsite, and he has been right so far.

      • Lizardking89 says:

        Houle really??

        I don’t like Mcguire but at this point what do we have to lose? We’re already the model of mediocrity a change is needed I’d be curious to see what he could do. How much worse can it get really?

  27. The Dude says:

    Last night while watching les antichamber,I was truly taking aback by the Cunneyworth interview,lol. Only a moron could put an English speaking coach in charge of a team from Quebec who’s majority fan fair is French !Tabernack…

  28. price365 says:

    what do you expect from a team with 6 decent forwards and a weak defence. IMO right where we’re at.

  29. aemarchand11 says:

    People keep using Price as an example with Pierre McGuire. If he was part of a team, and involved in scouting meetings, im sure he wouldn’t have made the Price comments. But lets face it, that whole draft aside from Crosby and Bobby Ryan was a joke and lots of Teams ended up being wrong.

    I wouldnt mind him in our Management next season. He’s burned a few bridges though on TV over the years, and its no secret who he likes and doesnt, so that could be a knock.

    I just want an exciting TEAM to watch again, but not depend on an enigma like Kovalev or the goalie to stand on his head like Halak did, and Price does.

    If Pierre McGuire is the answer, then so be it.

    • DearyLeary says:

      He wanted to draft Angelo Esposito instead of Ryan McDonagh.

      What does McGuire offer? Nothing. He has no experience; he’s a hothead; he’s a mediocre evaluator of talent (all of his anecdotes involve ‘I don’t want to mention player x because I respect him blah blah blah’).

      He gained prominence because of the World Juniors. Indeed, a lot of good prospects make their name (despite most of them already being drafted) in that tournament. But there is a majority of players, draft picks even, that don’t make it to the NHL, let alone achieve elite status. We make gargantuan names out of these kids, and they’re set up to fall as a result.

      What’s your definition of an exciting team? I don’t care how the game looks. I just want to win.

      • mdp2011 says:

        “He wanted to draft Angelo Esposito instead of Ryan McDonagh.” Again, I attribute this to his media persona, he wanted to appeal to Hab fans who were all clamoring for the Habs to take Esposito. There was a huge outcry from the media that the Habs let a local boy slip by them again.

        • DearyLeary says:

          So what’s the difference between his professional self and his media self? We don’t even have a comparable scenario because he’s never been a GM, or an assistant GM… or anything else in management.

          He was a scout, and then a horrible coach. We don’t know what to expect from him as a manager because he’s never managed anything. For the last 10+ years he’s been a media guy, and every time he opens his mouth about talent it’s a crapshoot as to whether a player will pan out or not. He doesn’t commit to anything, unless it’s his criticism of the Canadiens. He offers qualifiers for all his statements: Hamrlik, good signing, too long term; same with Cole and the list goes on and on (Melnick actually offered a revealing set of quotes on MTL players).

          So what does McGuire offer? Nobody knows, and the way he conducts himself in the media, I don’t want to know.

        • CMAC1978 says:

          Also, they would have been finally drafting to their need, a center with size.

      • RGM says:

        A lot of people wanted the Habs to draft Angelo Esposito instead of Ryan McDonagh. It’s only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight (and the myriad of injuries to his knees) that we can see how far Esposito has fallen and how McDonagh has risen to prominence. No matter how you slice it, each has played an equal number of games with the Habs.

        Same thing goes for Kyle Chipchura, whom the Habs picked in the first round in 2004. He was pretty highly touted at the time, but thanks to a couple of injuries he’s now on his 3rd NHL organization and will likely not ever be more than a fringe player. Coulda had Travis Zajac or Mike Green!

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  30. Bripro says:

    I still don’t understand this year’s officiating.
    Gaustad plants his arse in front of Price, basically sits on him, and gets nothing.
    They clutched and grabbed all night, with no repercussions!
    And then Gorges gets called on a very weak one.
    At least if the officiating could show some consistency!
    And now we’re basically in the cellar.
    Break out the champagne! Some on this site will be happy.
    The team is tanking!

  31. DearyLeary says:

    My response to Melnick was ‘too long’ for his infantile site:

    Did you also save the fact that McGuire said Price was a horrible pick? Or how about taking McDonagh instead of Angelo Esposito (remember him?)?

    If you look through all those comments he made they’re almost all negative, or backhanded compliments. He begrudgingly offers praise of the Montreal Canadiens because he wants the job.

    He won’t ever get the job because he doesn’t have managerial experience. He never offers a dispassionate view of the team, and because of that he’s prone to knee-jerk reactions when they aren’t warranted.

    The biggest, most obvious example of this, is the Jaroslav Halak trade. It was a goalie rich free agent pool, with few teams looking for a goalie. One of the teams looking was Philadelphia (for obvious reasons), no matter the package that Montreal might have extracted from Philly it wouldn’t have been worth the trouble they would have posed in the Eastern Conference.

    That left Gauthier with a small pool of teams in the Western conference looking for goaltending. We’re talking about a conference that left a defending Stanley Cup winning goalie walk away from an arbitration contract. Do you think anyone in Montreal would have allowed a GM to let a Stanley Cup winning goalie walk as a restricted free agent? You’re kidding yourself.

    So Gauthier went out and targeted a need (instead of working a ‘market’ that didn’t exist for a player), a big, skilled center. Eller is big, and skilled, and at the half post of the season he’s got 10 goals playing in a checking role, more often than not against top lines from the other team. Eller has made both Moen and Kostitsyn better players: one who had hands of stone for his entire career in Montreal; and the other plagued by inconsistency his entire career. I’d say that’s a good jump forward in development for a second year center (he’s looking to put up comparable numbers to Tomas Plekanec’s second season, but Eller also has the advantage of being a big forward, not as easily pushed around).

    So, in my not so humble opinion, there are two schools of thought for GMs:

    1) Panic, swing for the fences. These guys make big, bold moves, and hope to god they pay out. They draft to their needs, which is often an opportunity presented to teams with lottery picks (and lets be honest, the 1st/2nd overall range). Pittsburgh has been good without Crosby and Malkin in their lineup, that’s a result of good coaching and decent depth (Kris Letang turning into a #1 defenceman didn’t hurt either); but they aren’t going to win a Cup without Crosby or Malkin. The same can be said for teams like Chicago, Edmonton, and other teams built through lottery picks.

    2) The patient GMs. These are people who take the best player available in the draft, regardless of needs, and try to address their needs through trades and free agency. Not all of Gainey/Gauthier’s moves have worked, and that likely has a lot to do with them baking on obstruction being completely wiped out of the NHL’s vernacular. They loaded up on speed and talent, and that model is starting to crash due to a lack of size.

    Their draft picks have shown an impeccable ability to make it into the NHL’s ranks, and the lack of a lot of ‘superstar’ quality talent is due to the fact that they’ve always managed to get a lot out of players that weren’t at the top of their draft class. Their player development also has an excellent track record, and it has to be that way because of a lack of elite level picks.

    The extra years have to be tacked on to players like Cole, Gionta, and Cammalleri, because Montreal is a demanding environment, for them to stay competitive with free agency they’ve got to offer something for players to come here (and despite everyone’s protestations, Gomez was likely a key player in bringing Gionta and Cammalleri to Montreal, I didn’t like the trade either, but such was the price for improving the team at the time).

    The second type of GM is likened to that of Holland, Lamoriello, and Doug Wilson. Gauthier has made some stinker deals, but so do other big GMs, do Montrealer’s really want Kovalchuk until he’s 80 years old? Wilson held on to Heatley for a long time. Shero has a medical staff that might be worse than Montreal’s…

    So lets not sacrifice our future for a blaze of glory with a broadcaster with delusions of grandeur. The last thing I want is a GM with aspirations to win a Cup to assuage his fears of inadequacy. Give me someone who wants to build a new, lasting, legacy, so that we can compete every year. Because in the end that’s what Habs fans want, they want a winner.

    • mdp2011 says:

      You have valid points, however I don’t agree with “he’s prone to knee-jerk reactions”, that is just his media persona, which I hate. However, I think he has been around enough good hockey people in his career that he does have the patience and knowledge to be a very good GM. Also, people tend to give too much credit or bash GMs too much when it comes to drafting. They are not the ones who do the scouting, they don’t know the players that well and so the decisions on who to draft are made by the Director of Amateur scouting (Timmons in the Habs case).

      • DearyLeary says:

        It wasn’t so much a defence of Gauthier as it was a criticism of McGuire.

        I hate it when people say they should have shopped Halak around. Chicago let Antti Niemi walk; he won a Stanley Cup and they let a RFA walk. That was the goaltending market that Gauthier had to ‘build interest’ in.

        He extracted a team need that has been sorely lacking in the organization for over a decade, and people still try to convince themselves it was a bad trade. On top of that look at goalie trades of the past: despite a less than cordial departure for Roy, the Habs got fleeced in that trade. No youth, no upside, just spare parts.

        Gauthier wanted a future deal, if you have the delusion that every season is going to be a Stanley Cup winning season you’re not fit to be a GM; that’s the world that Brian Burke lives in, and as a result (despite their run so far this season) the Leafs are crippled for the future, as Colborne is really their only prospect worth talking about. Compared with Hamilton and Seguin in Boston, that’s the most frustrating trade in the NHL right now.

        You have to build, you can’t just trade off spare parts and expect to build a winner. Shero traded off Gogliogoski (spelling?) for James Neal. You’ve got to give something to get something. We traded Cammalleri for Bourque, we got a 2nd rounder for a 5th rounder, and we got more cap space out of the deal. That money will likely go to PK and Price, and part of me has to believe that Gomez can’t last in Montreal. Montreal will have cap room, and don’t be surprised if we’re not spending to the ceiling next year (if there is a next year). Getting a couple of elite draft picks, and an injection of elite level offensive talent is something Montreal is desperately in need of.

        • Chorske says:

          Agreed- but with a wrinkle. If the Habs rebuild (and I think that at this point that is the only viable option long-term) there is no real point in offloading Gomez. No way you get value. Also, no point freeing up cap space you have no intention of using. This isn’t a popular opinion on here (or anywhere) but the team really seems to be better with him in the lineup.

          • DearyLeary says:

            That’s fair. I’m not as vitriolic with Gomez as many are. I’m disappointed in the lack of production, but he’s not the root cause of this team’s lack of success.

        • mdp2011 says:

          I understand you point about the goalie market for Halak, but when the Halak trade was announced, everyone was saying “that’s all we got for Halak?”. I too like Eller and he does fill a need, but my first reaction to the trade was relief they didn’t trade Price, and my second reaction was out right disappointment. All I kept saying was, that’s all we got? No 1st round pick, no Backes, no TJ Oshie, no David Perron, no Patrick Berglund, wtf??

          • DearyLeary says:

            We got a potential second line center for Halak, who got to the Conference final. Chicago got zero for a Stanley Cup winning goalie.

            I understand the frustration, because I think Montrealers as a whole overvalued Halak’s contribution. Hal Gill was heroic in that run, as was Hamrlik. The amount of bonafide scoring chances to shots was extremely low. Halak was picking cherries a lot of the time because Pittsburgh and Washington both relied heavily on offensive talent, and their defence cores were susceptible to counter attacks. When we got ground down by a big, strong, fast Philadelphia team, Halak, along with everyone else, looked absolutely ordinary.

            Niemi wasn’t the only goalie out there (I honestly can’t remember who else was out there, if anyone wanted to fill in the gap), Gauthier moved fast because he wanted to get an asset that he prized (and according to reports. Eller was sought after by other teams). Add to the fact that goalies are rarely prized on the trade market, it makes the trade that much more difficult to execute.

            The thing that separates NHL GM’s from fans these days is that we all have that knee-jerk reaction of wanting more. And McGuire still contends that he could have drummed up interest in a goalie saturated market. He speaks from the fan perspective all the time, and I just can’t help but think that he truly believes that he could do what he says he could.

            He talks about the extra years that Gauthier has put on to some contracts to attract talent. We aren’t living in NHL 12 (or is it 13 now?) where you can just put money on the table and anyone will sign anywhere. This isn’t a fantasy, this is a business as well as entertainment. And it takes hard bargaining to get people to play in Montreal. Erik Cole said as much when he said he was going to sign in Carolina until Montreal put the extra year on his contract (pretty much a verbatim quote). Does anyone want to attempt to discount Cole’s contribution to this team?

            GMs live in an imperfect, often effed up world when it comes to team building. You can’t expect every deal to be a home-run when compared with the market going-rate for players. I like the deal, and if Habs fans were to temper their responses I think that a lot of the work that Gainey and Gauthier did would be better received. For all the missed years of playoffs the Leafs have endured, we’ve been in the playoffs for the most part. We’ve had that rush, and even now, with a ‘vastly improved Leaf team’ they’re still on the playoff bubble with no real prospect pool to fall back on. Montreal still has a few really good defencemen in the pool, and, barring a prideful run for 8th place, Montreal will likely get a lottery pick that can be put towards an elite level scoring talent.

            You have to play the long game in a market like Montreal. Sometimes your team will take dips because moves didn’t pan out as planned, but in a salary capped world you have few alternatives.

    • Chorske says:

      Great post, Leary, and I agree with every point. Great analysis

  32. BeeGee says:

    Hey I’m a glass half full kind of guy… If the season were to end today, we’d have a 7.14% chance of getting to pick 2nd overall (and 100% chance of picking in the top 7, which should mean elite talent).

    And every loss puts us in range of #1… it’s a lose-win situation!

    • aemarchand11 says:

      Grigorenko!

      Then we would have to trade Pleks, Eller or DD in a package deal. Desharnais has earned his spot on this team, Eller is emerging and Pleks is estabished center. Tough Decisions!

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  33. jedimyrmidon says:

    Some might say that the Habs simply do not have enough offensive production. After all, the Habs scored only 1 goal last night. However, the top line certainly pressured Buffalo quite a bit and had a good amount of chances.

    I think the lack of scoring can be attributed to the fact that the Habs often get hemmed in their own zone and cannot seem to get the puck back and out again… kinda hard to score when 75% of the time you’re running around defending, which has happened quite often this year. They box out their opponents, allowing them to cycle the puck on the outside… which would be great if they were on the PK, but they seem to struggle actually regaining possession.

    • Derek2 says:

      I would agree with your assessment. Teams with a strong fore check have given us a lot of trouble over the last 10 years. Even more so than more talented teams. Buffalo’s fore check last night was very impressive, keeping us hemmed up for long stretches. At one point we were passing the puck behind our own net multiple time only to have a Buffalo winger streak in to pressure our D Man in the corner. Fricking sad.

      Our chief weapons are fear and surprise

  34. adesbarats says:

    Who’s this Markov guy people keep referring to?

  35. CMAC1978 says:

    I think the only reason we should start to chat about trading Plecks is that he has value. Yes, it will hurt us in the short term becasue we would be missing a quality center. Question is are we really? We have, who are NHL centers;

    DD
    Eller
    Gomez
    Nokes
    White

    That’s five guys who can get us through to the end of the year. Or further. We can maybe then sign an upgrade over Nokes and move White to the wing. Brendan Gaunce is projected to be a good power forward and is a center with size. We can draft him, Eller and DD are good until he comes in.

    Maybe we should figure out what his value actually is. Teams like the Hawks, Caps, to lesser extent Preds are looking for a quality and true second line center. Plecks is that, and is signed to a reasonable cap hit. I don’t see why we couldn’t get a decent prospect or even a 1st for him.

  36. smiler2729 says:

    Read Melnick’s McGuire blog, good stuff, the real eye opener was how daft Gainey was to buy into his righthand man Gauthier’s assessments from pulling the Gomez deal to signing short guys long term…

    I know the combination of Gainey’s personal tragedies and the heat of being GM of the Habs surely burned him out but to be so clueless as to where Gauthier’s decisions were leading the team is just unbelievable.

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    • G-Man says:

      Hindsight is 20/20. Of course, hindsight could also mean he’s staring backwards out his butt. Does McGuire have photos of Melnick?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I am starting to wonder what is the real deal behind that duo. I wouldn’t be shocked if McGuire is paying Melnick to be his P.R. Hack.

        I am so befuddled by all this McGuire talk. THe guy has virtually zero track record, there is no reason he should be considered for a GM position. As Chris pointed out down below, he needs to earn his way to that position of GM.

  37. HabFanSince72 says:

    No trading Plekanec, unless it’s for Colorado’s #1 plus a good prospect.

    He’ not pouting.

    He has not had consistent linemates all year. He had Cammy and now Gomez. What do you want him to do?

    He’s having a bad year on a team that is having a bad year.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • nunacanadien says:

        Trade anyone and everyone. This past season should not be replicated. Do a proper rebuild with real NHL players. Not just the easy to sign aging veterans with one trick, enough of this one trick ponies who tie up our cap space. Gauthier and Gainey gave us boring hockey with small players built around Carey Price. We can’t be throwing the teams future away on a potential goalie who hasn’t panned out. When do we say the Carey Price experiement is over? When will we try and get a real goalie who doesn’t let in 2 soft goals a night that cost us a playoff? As if the Halak controversy didn’t open enough eyes. We are stuck with the spin spun by Gainey and then the spin inherited by Gauthier. Enough of the spin. Just do your jobs you bastards. Stop being lazy. Sign real NHL players.

    • shiram says:

      Beyond all the logical reasons to keep Plekanec on the Habs, there is the sentimental value of keeping a guy the team drafted and crafted into a good hockey player.

      • nunacanadien says:

        You sound like one of the people who was stupid enough to buy on old “K” car, spend a fortune, tie up the bank loan, keep a heap on the road cause you bought it new, fixed it up and it was still a lemon…..albeit a lemon who shone in the right light for about five minutes……

        • shiram says:

          Except I’m not investing anything in anything.
          I just like the guy.

          And you sound extremely bitter and angry.

          • G-Man says:

            Don’t feed the troll.

          • shiram says:

            I guess I should not, but his comparison was so weak and the insult so thinly veiled…

          • HabFarmer says:

            But the whole positive thing about nunacanadien’s posts is he’s actually now writing them without using words like “wussy”, “pansy”, and mentioning PG’s vegan lifestyle, like that has a bearing on his management decisions.

            So really, progress – baby steps, all good.

            “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

    • mdp2011 says:

      Also, as Shiram pointed out a few posts below, he is dealing with a lot of off ice issues. I know he’s a professional athlete and gets paid the big bucks, but he is human and the off ice things have a big effect on his play.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Colorado has no 1st rd pick, traded to Wash for Varlamov.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Exactly – we should trade with Washington is what I meant. They have two #1s


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I like Pleks, but there seemed to be a time when he made his linemates better. Now, we’re looking for guys to help him out.

  38. price365 says:

    Rebuilding with young talent is great. Hope your not in a hurry for a cup.

  39. HabFanSince72 says:

    Randy Cunneyworth.

    I know some of you believed that the Habs’ biggest problem was the French language issue. And while the argument has face validity – “get the best man for the job” makes sense – it’s predicated on a fiction, namely that there is someone out there who can magically transform a mediocre team into a contender (*).

    This has led some to suggest that Cunneyworth is turning things around. In fact our record under him is a woeful 6-9-4. That rate would give us 42 points in 50 games, good for 2nd worse in the league behind Columbus. So he has not turned things around.

    The fact is Cunneyworth wasn’t the best man for the job, he was just the most convenient. He was the Friday movie date with your homely cousin.

    Is there anyone with a rational argument for keeping him next year?

    (*) OK, Jacques Lemaire.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • avatar_58 says:

      I don’t think anyone suggested Cunneyworth was the best man for the job. Kirk Muller would have been better, given how well he knew the guys.

    • habs17 says:

      not a big fan of cunneyworth just feel bad to the posistion he was put in i dont thnk hes a good chance

      I support Scott Gomez

    • shiram says:

      He yells at player, a common complaint about JM was that he did not yell.
      He also stopped the bench minors.
      That’s all I got.

    • mdp2011 says:

      I agree, Cunnyworth does not impress me at all. It’s a shame cause I was pulling for him. He’s practically a JM clone, having 5 guys waiting in the neutral zone. I don’t like his handling of Subban. The team has the worst powerplay in the league and he is directly responsible for that, first as assisant and now as head coach. I would not bring him back next season, and it has nothing to do with language.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      There are games where the Cunneyworth version of the Habs is a pleasure to watch, but my feeling is that they fall back into the comfortable and passive JM mold too easily. They have 2.5 years of it to get out of their systems. We need a completely fresh start next year, I think.

  40. ooder says:

    hey guys i was wondering how are we ahead of buffalo.
    same amount of points and games played but the sabres have more wins.. what gives?

    ——————
    The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The first tie break is shootout wins – with the team having most SO wins ranked lower.

      I don;t even need to look up the stats to know we have fewer SO wins than them.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  41. Danno says:

    Only six periods of hockey left to go before Scott Gomez reaches his one-year anniversary of being scoreless.

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  42. Habs_4_ever says:

    This season was doomed from the lackluster preseason, to the uncharacteristically bland home opener festivities. Are we still waiting for the other shoe to drop?

    ————————
    “Can we lose the parade float?…..Thank you!”

  43. habs17 says:

    time to trade pleks

    I support Scott Gomez

  44. ont fan says:

    The team stunk..we haven’t been good all year teamwise..and every 3rd comment is about Gomez..let’s just move on and make a few trades in the next month. The big contracts will be gone in the next couple of years and hopefully we will have something to talk about positively, with the new team we will have.

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    This team has to ensure that by season’s end they know the exact status of Andrei Markov. If he cannot play at least 10-15 games symptom free this season, they then need to deal with him and move on. If it turns out he can’t physically play this season, but is deemed to be okay for next season, I don’t think that is acceptable either.

    But what I do believe, is our team requires a preeminent Number 1 Dman to be a leader for PK, Emelin, Diaz, etc….

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I agree. Our D needs to be addressed. too be honest our D is brutal and we would not have lost so many 1 goal games this year if they were better. This team couldn’t hold a lead and I think actually leads the league in losses after scoring the first goal. That is not a good stat.

      I really Hope Kabby is gone as well. Let him go play somewhere down south where we don’t have to see him again

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Absolutely right Gerald. What a friggin pill for Molsons to swallow though. Including eating Gomez’s contract that will be over a 10 million dollar pill. If that doesn’t get the current regime fired nothing will.

    • shiram says:

      They are definately missing a calm and steady veteran D, but the D has not been as bad as it’s made up to be, I think a greater failing of the Habs D is their lack of scoring.
      Defencive-wise, considering the rookies on there, they have done good.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I agree our scoring is bad but when your d is terrible your offense suffers cause you spend more time in your own end. Too many rookies back there and it has showed

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Team struggles when opponents forecheck. We have difficulty getting puck and maintaining control out of our end. Detroit did not seem to apply forechecking but it seems almost all other teams see this as a weakness if the Habs.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Detroit forgot they had a game that night lol. They were checked out waiting for their mini vacations away from the rink.

            I agree that is one of the biggest weaknesses and hopefully it will be addressed. We have too many of the same type of D man ….Diaz, Weber, Campoli, Kabby are all non physical D man who struggle under pressure. Gill is a pk guy and other than that is a liability.

            What I wouldn’t give to get Weber our of Nashville

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Seemed like the Habs last night were in perma-PK mode for much of two periods. As for their PP, even though it’s 5-on-4, it seems like the 4 have all 5 guys covered all the time when they enter their zone. At least Subban manages to get in deep without losing the puck (of course, none of his teammates are there with him).

  46. RockinRey says:

    Its over. They cant come back from this mess. With one line playing well on a consistent basis it is hard to compete. Sure they have a good game once in while and then they completely mail another 2 or 3 in.

    I will watch them play spoilers. My hope now is the Leafs fall short.

  47. J.J. of Turku says:

    Hmmm…
    Would be nice to see some winning again. Otherwise I have to drink only to stay warm. Last night a couple of hundred km north from Turku was -37,8º C tonight should be at least -40ºC. I need alcohol to keep my blood as a liquid… Here it’s only -25ºC and wind from the sea…

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  48. nunacanadien says:

    HIO staff, could we ask you to ask Geoff Molson a question? Are we in the middle of a Scott Gomez rebuild, like the famous rebuild around Carey Price after the lockout, remember that one?

  49. Line combinations against NJD’s? If Travis Moen is go?????

    Pacioretty – Deharnais – Cole

    Moen/Bourque – Plekanec – Bourque/Blunden

    A. Kostitsyn – Eller – Blunden/White

    Darche – Gomez/Engqvist – White/Gomez

    PP Lines – Bourque – Plekanec – A. Kostitsyn

    Pacioretty – Deharnais – Cole

  50. Bim says:

    I think the time has finally been reached to quit going to and watching these games. The players obviously don’t give a damn! I just hope this franchise doesn’t end up like the leafs for another 45 years…pretty sad!

    • nunacanadien says:

      In fact people should boycott all Bell Centre activities, promotions, initiatives, as they are the ones at fault. The committee that gives you rock concerts is the one to blame for the demise of the habs. Stop going to their concerts, stop drinking Molson brewery products, boycott the Habs cause they don’t give a damn about you the fan. If the habs think that Gomez is a top 6 forward and are stupid enough to proclaim it in a press conference, then they support losers. Plain and simple. Cammaleri was right. The Habs Committee that Geoff Molson is the mad hater prez of, thinks that a small man is the answer to our offensive production. The habs committee thinks a man who has scored 26 goals is a top 6 forward. BOYCOTT the HABS until they make the right changes. Enough of this rebuild around Carey Price. Trade Carey Price and you will get a proper rebuild.

  51. shiram says:

    Trade Plekanec coming up again.
    People have been complaining about the lack of capable centers in MTL for quite some time now, and while Plekanec is having a difficult year, he remains the Habs most complete center.
    There is speculation that he is playing hurt, he just had his first kid, and his father is too sick to come and see his grand-son.
    I’m thinking Pleks has alot on the mind right now, and I think his game will come back to it’s usual level in time.

    I don’t want to see Pleks gone because I don’t feel the Habs can compete with DD/Eller/Gomez as their center.
    UFA centers are not really great either.

    I have no control on what the teams does, but that’s my 2 cents.

    • mdp2011 says:

      agreed, shouldn’t dump him becaus of one off year.

    • habs03 says:

      This.

      And as I mentioned before, He has had to put up with having Cammy on his wing and now Gomez.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I agree that we don’t give him up easily, but it’s just that he might be very valuable to other teams, so if somebody makes a really good offer we have to listen. It’s not as though we are exactly looking to unload him.

      • shiram says:

        Boone certainly suggests unloading him in his about last night, picking up from fans posting about this since december at the least.
        And even if a great offer comes in for him, I don’t it’s worthwhile unless a capable centers comes back, due to the weakness at center on the Habs.

  52. Chris says:

    Sorry, Mitch, I got to the line about Mcguire knowing pretty much everything about every player on the planet and gave up laughing.

    McGuire knows the names of the guys who played in the World Juniors. That’s about it, as far as I can tell. And he tends to over-value those guys to ridiculous levels.

    Watching him rant on the draft broacasts in recent years has been comical. This is the guy who absolutely ripped Gainey to shreds for not picking Angelo Esposito (we took McDonagh). How’s that working out, you pompous blowhard?

    Or ripped Timmins and Gainey to shreds for picking Carey Price when they already had Jose Theodore in the fold. What’s that, Pierre? Crickets?

    McGuire was a hockey man for a decade. He scouted for the Penguins from 1990-92, but he was not their head scout. He was a professional scout with the Senators for the 1994-95 and 1995-96 seasons, but the only major move during that tenure was sending Don Beaupre, Martin Straka and Bryan Berard to the Islanders for Wade Redden and Damian Rhodes, a good trade. The rest of the Senators’ moves over those two years were marginal.

    Outside of that, McGuire is a broadcaster. If he is serious about wanting a gig in professional hockey, he’s got to earn it. The last time a broadcaster got the reins to an NHL franchise was John Davidson back in 2006. And it isn’t clear to me that the Blues are especially better off than they were pre-Davidson.

    McGuire should seriously look into taking the GM reins for an AHL or CHL team for a year or two to prove his credentials. It is one thing to talk a big game (and he does love to talk, the more bombastic the better), but you’ve got to prove that you can do it when the buck stops with you. Don Cherry’s foray into GM duties was an unmitigated disaster for the Ice Dogs in the OHL. I think McGuire would do better than that, but I haven’t seen anything about the guy that suggests he is a shoo-in to be a successful league executive.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I agree wholeheartedly with you Chris. Thanks for posting that.

    • DearyLeary says:

      I believe you just Emelin’d McGuire.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Chris, Mcguire is on the short list to replace Gauthier.

      Mcguire and Molson go back along way.

      He may not get the job, but he will be interviewed.

      Esposito bust his knee up about 2 weeks after the WJC.

      It was the second major knee injury.

      But he looked very good at that championship.

      Mcdonough looked very average for a long time after the Habs drafted him, and his surge this year is completely a shock to most people who have been following him.

      I have no clue whether Mcguire would be a good GM.

      But all those people who were convinced Gauthier was the right man, after 30 years of experience, have been wrong.

      So there are zero guarantees about success or failure.

      Shit happens.

      • Chris says:

        How is McDonagh’s surge shocking to people who have been following him? I’ve been tooting his horn since day one. Yeats, who follows NCAA hockey more than most here, was in love with the kid.

        Timmins was in love with the kid. Scouting reports, up to the day he was traded, listed him as one of the top defensive prospects in all of hockey.

        I’ve never understood this tack in assessing McDonagh.

  53. habs03 says:

    Bright side, were 6th last in the league, if we can someone win the draft lotto, we can move up to 2nd in the draft :)

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      We’re actually 5th and if Anaheim wins their game in hand we move up to 4th.

      With Ryan Miller regaining his form and the Isles finally getting it together we will be battling with Carolina and Edmonton for 2ns place.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  54. kholdstare says:

    I like Randy Cunneyworth’s coaching, he is great. I don’t know why we waited so long to get rid of JM and his “system”, that was boring eh overtime losses, just got our hopes up. This Cunneyworth character he is good, just straight up losses no guess work.

    • nunacanadien says:

      Who could have thought the formula for losing would be so simple? Dress seven defensemen each night you need to win….and you are guaranteed a loss. Just like JM stating the habs can’t get penalties so it needs to play safe….which the habs are still doing….

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I also liked seeing Blunden out there with 4 min left.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  55. Ian Cobb says:

    Plekanic is pouting and playing at 50% because Desharness is now our # 1 center.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Damaged ego methinks Ian.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I hope you guys are wrong. Nothing in Pleks history suggest that he would have a work ethic issue. I am hoping that he’s got some nagging injury that is a cause of his seemily uninspired play.

        • habs03 says:

          This.

          I have reporters were saying he is missing optional skates, and and suggest it must be a nagging injury, since he never misses those. Plus cut the guy some slack, he is on pace for 53 points, and he is a big part of the #1pk in the league, and he had to deal with Cammy on his wing, and now Gomez.

          • J_P says:

            Good post!

            Im not happy with his uninspired play, but I certainly dont want him traded. Ill definitely give him the benefit of the doubt this season, as he’s been one of our best players night and night out for the last two seasons.

      • nunacanadien says:

        The habs should just sign and draft real scoring forwards, heck we have one in Scott Gomez. The whole team has let this impressive scoring powerhouse down. In fact Geoff Molson is correct in stating Gomez is a top 6 forward stuck in the habs and that maybe the team has let him down. Never mind, we are in the middle of a Scott Gomez rebuild as soon as Geoff Molson can bury the carcass of the Carey Price rebuild done by Gainey…..remember that one? That one got us Scott Gomez….lol….smaller and smaller, can the habs get even smaller?

        • Psycho29 says:

          We’ve signed/traded for:
          Emelin 6-2 223
          Blunden 6-4 218
          Bourque 6-2 211
          Cole 6-2 205
          Noky 6-1 202

          yep we’ve gotten smaller….

          • nunacanadien says:

            And we traded away what and who for this? What have we given up in return? Here we give away the rookie farm and our future, yet we decide to play losing hockey so we can get trades so that we can give away the rookie farm? Doesn’t make sense. That’s what the laffs do. Oh wait, the same committee that owns the Laffs also owns the habs. Ok, makes sense. No wonder they thought Gomez was a top 6, and Noki a crushing forward who it turns out is just an alabaster porcelain doll just like the so called bigger players we got, look at how Campoli got hurt just skating. If you can’t see the pathetic team cause of the fancy glitz that the Bell Entertainment committee has packaged the habs as, then you deserve to watch your team lose.

    • Psycho29 says:

      I knew we were in for a tough night when I saw 4-foot-11 Gerbe rough up Plekanec after a whistle….

    • G-Man says:

      It’s the revolving door of players he’s stuck with. I would have given him Cole and Pac for a few games way before DD. RDS said last night that DD is the Habs #1 center. If DD is the #1 center, it’s no wonder the team’s having such a crap season.

  56. Ian Cobb says:

    WANTED! Two Super Bowel tickets, in exchange for thirty-two pairs of Hab’s season tickets.

  57. smiler2729 says:

    Rene Bourque.

    Did he play? Isn’t his style supposed to make a difference??

    Just sayin’ is all…

    ___________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I turned the game on halfway through last night and at least Bourque played with some desperation and had a few shots and chances when they were, or some were, trying to tie it up.

      Better than Cammalleri who has two PP goals in Calgary, one was a fluke, and is a minus -5.

      Bourque at least hits and causes turnovers and can play 5 on5 while Cammalleri does absolutely nothing but sit on one knee at the top of the circle and beg for the puck.

      • smiler2729 says:

        Oh I’m not saying I want Cammalleri back, I just want BOURQUE to knock ‘em all on their asses, I guess being stuck with Pleksy & Gomezy kinda cramps his style…

        ___________________________________
        Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      He was out there and was physical. I did notice him a few times. I think he had 5 hits last night….that is what he is supposed to do and drive the net. He was playing with Pleks and it wasn’t working out so well. I would like to have seen Bourque with Eller and AK.

      • price365 says:

        Right on Kooch. At least we would have two lines that does something. To be honest. That’s the only six forwards I would think about keeping if they can’t get it done the rest forget about it. let em go and get what you can for them. probably the best we’d get would be a 2rd rounder for all six. if he could score 20-25 goals we have saved money for better players. not counting Gionta they have 25 goals. I rest my case.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I like Blunden and all but the kid doesn’t have the hands. He is a 4th liner. I used to really like Darche but he isn’t gritty enough to be a grinder and isn’t offensive enough to hold a roster spot….I think his ticket is about to be punched

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Sorry he had 4 hits last night and 3 shots on goal….not bad

  58. J_P says:

    Was at the game last night sitting right at center ice. A few of my observations:
    – To all the Carey Price haters: He was the ONLY reason the game was even close last night. Habs were throroughly dominated from puck drop until final whistle.
    – What the heck is wrong with plekanec? He must be unhappy this year because I have never seen such a lack of effort from him.
    – Outside of the cole/pacioretty/desharnais line, no one wants to go to the dirty areas. Habs made Ryan Millers life WAY too easy last night once again.
    – Alexei Emelin never ceases to impress me. What a force. Give this guy a couple more seasons to adjust and he could very well be the next anton volchenkov.
    – What the heck is Hall Gill good for if he cant clear his man out of the front of the net? The go ahead goal was totally on him. I won’t deny his value in the playoffs, but seeing as the playoffs are a pipe dream, time to turn old Hal into a 3rd rounder.
    – Never thought I would say this, but was firing Martin a bad idea? Cunneyworth might be a good coach, but unfortunately Martin must have rubbed off on him. We need a full house cleaning of the coaching staff at seasons end.
    – The powerplay… Oh wow, the powerplay… It is unbelieveable how completely ineffective the habs are on the PP. Its amazing that a team can be THAT bad with an extra man.

    Anyways, Ive long started to put this season behind me, I just hope that PG does the right thing and sells before the deadline. I dont think we have a bad roster, but clearly this is a botched season, and the habs organization really has to start planning for the future.

  59. Ian Cobb says:

    Great news here! there are 11 robins in my back yard this morning!

    Hockey season exchange, for lawn mower very soon! Grass is looking good, just can’t smoke it!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      It will be interesting to watch the direction Molson takes the organization. Talk about “crossroads”.

    • kerrgte says:

      i’m in downtown toronto this morning. The air has that springtime warmth, and people are about in spring gear. The sparrows are happy. I had just about given up hope with the dismal grey january.

      So disappointed with the team’s performance last nite. The responsibility lies totally with Pierre.

  60. d0ppler says:

    A question to all you All you Jaques Martin haters : what’s the biggest concern with our team right now?

    • Ian Cobb says:

      We are not competitive!

    • kerrgte says:

      read my post just below.

      this general manager made too many mistakes in building this team.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Mismanaged Cap. See: Gomez, Kabrele, Markov

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Jim, I think Kaberle can be traded, so not too concerned about his. However, Gomez and Markov, that scenario needs to be corrected either this season or early in off season. This team cannot again start a season with a Cloud hanging over Markov and the Contract Cloud hanging over Gomez. Must be fixed.

    • J_P says:

      Im with Ian, they just arent competitive. They aren’t getting nearly enough production from Gomez (understatement of the century in his case), Plekanec, Eller, and Cammy (although hes now gone). Darche is dead weight, Moen is now injured, Blunden can’t provide any offense, Gionta is injured (although he wasnt performing even when he was playing), PK is playing WAY more minutes than he should be due to MArkov being out (a PG blunder), Kaberle is useless 5 on 5 and hasnt helped our powerplay, Hal Gill is too old, and the rest of the D are still young.

      I mean just go look at the habs roster. On paper, we are similar to carolina, only our cap is maxed out, and we dont have an Eric Staal or a Jeff Skinner. Cole has been our best player night in and night out, patches is having a great year, but Desharnais is pretty much our top center right now. YOu aren’t going to go very far when desharnais is relied upon to be pretty much be your top center. Desharnais is probably a great third line center where he can fly under the radar, but when you have the other teams top D pairing matching cole and patches, it makes desharnais life harder IMO.

      But the biggest problem: The powerplay. I truly believe that if the habs were top 10 in the league on the powerplay, we would be in the thick of the playoff race right now.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Not a hater of JM, but wasn’t a fan of his either.

      Biggest concern, dealing with Gomez contract, dealing with Markov and his contract and ensuring we don’t lose Price/Subban.

      I know they are RFA’s, but I am concerned scenario in Mtl. gets so ugly they don’t want to stay.

      Need a good quality GM whom the players believe in. If they see a good footprint for future success, i am hopeful they then want to stay.

      Also, if we aren’t making playoffs, would be nice if we did well in draft lottery.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      A fish rots from the head.

      All the mistakes from the Bob “the builder” rebuild ™ have to be expurgated, ritual sacrifices have to be held, sincere apologies have to be made to The Forum Ghosts.

      Only then can the healing begin.

  61. RGM says:

    A 10 point hole now. There’s still a ton of 4-point games against teams in the 7-12 spots but if we don’t know which Habs team will show up on any given night–the world-beaters that thumped Detroit or the disinterested squad that got man-handled by the Sabres–there’s not much reason to expect that they’ll be anything more than .500 against those teams.

    Next three games are the Devils, Caps, and Jets. All of these are teams that we are chasing. Go on a 3-0 run and we’re up to 53 points & potentially up to 10th. Anything less than that separates those teams from the Habs even further. Frankly, I’m not overly optimistic unless Carey learns how to score or everybody suddenly gets infused with Pacioretty’s wolverine blood and Cole’s awesomeness.

    ———————–
    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
    “Scott Gomez, a potential Hall of Fame player, has two Stanley Cup rings and a Calder Trophy that says ‘I’m a player whom any authentic NHL coach will rely on to fix a game problem.’” – VancouverHab

    Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • J_P says:

      You hit a good point there. The habs have to get on streaks, thats the bottom line. They can barely afford to win every 2 out of 3 at this point. They need to start stringing 3-4 wins together at a time while only losing one in between streaks.

  62. kerrgte says:

    Same old story – soft defence coupled with a one-line offence. Max, wee Dave, and Erik try every night – too bad about the other missing-in-action pansies. Some of them simply belong in the ahl.

    Pierre, out with it, what were you thinking when you constructed this team?
    – Why was Hamrlik let loose, he wanted to stay. He was the centre of the blueline – and, clearly, you had no replacement! Now, the blueline is a joke.
    – The Markov signing – how dumb was that?
    – Halpern, Moore were a lot better than their replacements
    – The Gomer embarrassment continues.
    – The coaching change smokescreen has cleared revealing the real cause of this team’s poor showing.

    Come on Geoff, get involved here. This team needs more than an egocentric dilletante.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I sound like a broken recored sometimes but I was just agonizing as the weeks went by last summer and Gauthier did nothing to shore up our defense!

      I can remember one UFA (Shane O’Brien) sitting there until late August and screaming for Gauthier to pick him up. He had just come off a solid playoff with Nashville and would have been perfect for our blueline.

      There were also a handfull of gritty 3rd and 4th line players available that could have added some spunk to our team that Gauthier passed on.

      I suggested picking them up and them I was accused of being a Don Cherry lover and was laughed at and told speedy and small Habs team was the way to go.

      Now everybody wants a tough team all of a sudden…too late guys.

  63. voyageur9 says:

    So who goes where?
    Fill in the blanks:

    Plex to Washington — 1st round pick (dream on)
    Gill to Pens — 2nd round pick
    Moen to
    Campoli to

    • RGM says:

      That better be Colorado’s pick if you intend to help out an Eastern rival. Otherwise, out west he goes.

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez, a potential Hall of Fame player, has two Stanley Cup rings and a Calder Trophy that says ‘I’m a player whom any authentic NHL coach will rely on to fix a game problem.’” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Why dream on for getting a 1st round pick for Plekanec? You’d better get at least a 1st round pick and a solid young player as well or it would be a disaster.

  64. Habsssssssswin says:

    How could you not be prepared for a game against a divisional rival of such importance, and on home ice. Someone must be held accountable. Ridiculous.

  65. Storm Man says:

    So who do we call up on Feb17?…

  66. DAVE. N says:

    …Heard a Fat Lady sing last night…

    That was gutless. Run out of your own barn,in a playoff race, against a mediocre team.

    I suspect that Pleks needs a change of scenery to be effective again, and somewhere on the West Coast. A 2nd rd pick at best, as his stats don’t offer much more encouragement. He really seemed disinterested.

    AK46 is an F.A…suspect that if the Habs really want him, a deal is reached in the next 2 weeks or so….if not, see ya..

    Emelin and Cole are both North/South skaters, and aren’t scared to get dirty..This IMO is the structure for the future. Right now, this team has no identity,and to keep players like these 2 (who are consistently getting better and more valued to their team) the Management has to build around that philosophy.

    • RGM says:

      I have my doubts that the Habs would put re-signing Kostitsyn on a faster timetable than Price. Yes, Price is an RFA, but if Kostitsyn is still a member of the Canadiens after the trade deadline they will have almost all of April plus two full months to come to an agreement.

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    • Ian Cobb says:

      Dave! I also heard someone singing, she was a heavy for sure my friend!

  67. HardHabits says:

    It’s pretty obvious what the Habs need to do; build around Gomez. He’s the future.

    :-D :-D :-D

  68. lefreak says:

    Mitch melnick is almost as much of an idiot as jack Todd. there is a reason 30 teams have passed on macguire for god knows how long.,,,

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It’s kinda funny that people on here hate Pierre McGuire so much because he dissed a crappy Canadiens team on television and the radio for the past decade.

      I would write something possitive about him on here and 10 people would jump all over me.

      The guy would come in here and build a fast, tough and competitive team. What’s not to like?

      He might call someone a monster during a press conference?

      Scotty Bowman and every sports network has mentioned him as a good candidate…hire him!!!!

      • Storm Man says:

        I think he would do a good job here as well. If Scotty says he is the guy I say beam him up.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hobie, what do you use for basis that he would come in and do that? Heck, we may as well bring in the other TV Star Darren Pang, at least he would do things the White Way.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I think you have to give Pang a break there pal. He is the nicest guy on television and made a slip of the tongue…

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I agree on Panger, my point is however, Pierre has never in his career shown to be a competent GM. He scouted a couple years, he failed miserably in his brief tenure as GM and the same as coach.

            I don’t believe Bowman truly thinks McGuire is ready, but rather was being polite to Melnick on the radio that day.

      • smiler2729 says:

        I like Pierre McGuire, he knows his hockey and obviously loves the game.

        Sign him up!

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      • Chris says:

        Isn’t it funny that this guy, who is so lauded by every sports network, campaigns for an interview for every front-office job and not one single team has even nibbled at him in the past decade?

        McGuire is long on talk, but there’s got to be something holding him back. I suspect it is a complete lack of substance, but I am biased by an utter disregard for his pompous and bombastic nature.

      • J.T. says:

        Really? You’d hire the guy who thought Mike Komisarek made Andrei Markov what he is? And vociferously proclaimed that fact repeatedly on national television?

        McGuire is a ridiculous suggestion, and if he were unilingual, nobody would ever mention his name in connection with the Canadiens GM job. He has no proven abilities in either management or economics, and his judgement of talent, as evidenced by his Markov comment, is suspect and subject to bouts of infatuation with particular players. Even if he were actually able to do a decent job given a chance, why on earth would the Canadiens, who need proven, solid leadership to get out of the hole they’re in, be the team to take that risk-laden leap?

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      • G-Man says:

        He’s just another analyst who thinks he knows how to build a hockey team. He hasn’t been affiliated with any NHL team for 15 years, despite his lap dog attitude towards a few teams. Let him rot on NBC, where I don’t have to hear him. He is NOT GM material and never will be. From what he knows about juniors, he might be a scout…but then again, he gets all that info from others, doesn’t he?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      My worry about McGuire is that he is too arrogant. Would he assemble a team of scouts and coaches and listen to them?

      Melnick (who is he?) has a list of quotes but he must have missed the rant after Carey Price was picked.


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  69. Everything that could go wrong last night did.

    Every team the Canadiens are trying to catch got a point or more.

    Nothing more needs to be said, they just plain sucked. OK that needed to be said.

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  70. CMAC1978 says:

    I was always one of those people who hated on McGuire but, the more I’ve been listening to what he has to say. I started looking past the arrogance, I was able to see a man who knows the game inside and out.

    If we think about what we need as a GM, what are they.
    1. Knows the NHL
    2. Understands the CBA and can work with it
    3. Can speak French
    4. Uses a persons first name
    5. has passion
    6. Knows where to find the better players and coaches

    Pierre fits the bill on all accounts. Melnick…errr.. Bowman is right you gotta give someone a chance to prove how they can do the job. The question still remains, how come no other team has hired the guy?

    In terms of the house cleaning. We should think about trading players who can garnish a return.

    1. Moen – would the Canucks give up Raymond if we sweeten the pot.
    2. Plecks – Would Washington give up Colorado’s first pick and Shultz? (I can dream)
    3. Gill – Would the Pens give up someone like Dustin Jeffery?
    4. AK46 – Nashville would take him, would they give up Colin Wilson if we sweeten the pot.
    5. Webber – Jersey needs D, their coach knows him… I like Nick Palmieri big kid who can score a few (Moen2.0?)

    I don’t think Sam Pollok would be able to trade Gomez and Kaberle, we’re stuck with both of them, and their contracts.

  71. Hobie Hansen says:

    The lack of effort by some of the Canadiens last night was pretty upsetting.

    I guess Plekanec has thrown in the towel for the season?

    All this talk about people wanting to keep Kostitsyn. The guy is a 20-goal-scorer and hits, big deal. Sure he hits and scores his share of goals but he vanishes for weeks at a time.

    I’d trade Plekanec for a good young defenseman and a 1st round pick and I’d also trade Kostitsyn for a first round pick, even if it’s a late first rounder.

    The free agent pool is very thin this summer. So we should shed as many contracts as possible before next season. Do everything under the sun to dump Gomez this summer and bite the bullet again next year.

    Prior to the following season (2013/14) the UFA pool is much deeper and some of our younger players will be ready.

    2013/14 is year one of a new era. This season and next are a lost cause.

  72. Bim says:

    Wow! Read hockeybuzz.com and Eklunds comments regarding the Habs as buyers…really?…Really? I’m not reading that site anymore. That’s just ridiculous. Had to be late at night when he made those comments. Better still the Habs should hire him as their new GM.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Sadly, that might be one ‘ol Eklund has gotten right. PG is too cocky to give up yet. We all know its over, but Im scared what more damage PG will cause in the coming weeks.

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    • RGM says:

      Stopped at “Read hockeybuzz.com and Eklunds” – no value in what he has to say. This is a guy that harped for years about Marleau and Penner coming to Montreal.

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  73. slamtherimtim says:

    Gomez still on the team , how sad i am once again this morning. beat detroit 7-2 and lose to buffalo 3-1 , something wrong with that

  74. Corson27 says:

    Melnick is a hack.

  75. AllHailTheFlower says:

    Well, I think that game pretty much established an answer to the question, “Will the Habs be buyers or sellers at the deadline?” Sadly, what we have to offer other teams looks more like a table at a flea market than the trading floor at a stock exchange. There’s a core group of players that the Habs need to and should retain, but we need to offer up the spare parts to try and get as many draft picks / prospects as possible.

    To be dangled on the stick:

    Plekanec
    Gomez
    Gill
    Moen
    Kaberle
    Campoli

    Not sure what, if anything, we could get for those players, but there’s no point hanging onto any of them because we’re going nowhere fast this season.

    • slamtherimtim says:

      no one will ever take gomer or Karbele , the new CBA will determine what happens with them

    • DrunkenKeith says:

      Montreal has a few good pieces in place, but it is pretty clear that this is not their year. PK is going to be great, but his sophmore slump is amplified by the lack of Markov or another elite defensemen.

      I agree with Flowers sentiment and the opinion of many people on this site; Clear the roster for draft picks and hold on to the young talent. Lots of positives this year, but it’s time to look at the gaps that need to be filled in the future.

    • GoGioGo says:

      Looks like Pittsbugh is very interested in Gill, although I’m not sure what they might be willing to give for him. Not much, most likely.

      But you think we wouldn’t get anything of value for Pleks, really ? I would not trade him to start with. But if it happens, I guess the return would vbe much better than anyone else on your list.

      The thing is, I’m still afraid PG is going to trade AK46 instead. He would be on my keeper list for sure.

    • HardHabits says:

      Nice analogy. The Habs have nothing to offer except maybe Price and Subban. They’ll be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for anybody else. Chances are the Habs are going to trade their 1st pick for a rental with their track record.

      Stuck with Kaberle and Gomez until 2014. Gionta way over-paid for what he brings. Markov hasn’t skated coming in on 3 years now and one hit away from retirement.

      Time to suck it up and admit the suck. If Price is so intent on winning now he needs to be traded because he doesn’t seem like the patient type to sit through a rebuild.

      Price should garner at least 2 1st round picks or decent prospects, maybe 3 or 4 if some team offers him an outrageous contract offer sheet.

      Time to rebuild. With the youth coming up the Habs could be relevant again by the time 2015 rolls around. Until then forget the play-offs. Not until Gainey’s disastrous rebuild has been expunged.

  76. HabFanSince72 says:

    HH – I think you’re at the depressed stage of the Kubler-Ross scale.

    Acceptance is just around the corner.


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  77. Bripro says:

    Sure! Let’s do like the Oilers.
    It’s obvious that their years of tanking are paying off!

  78. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Oilers are still tanking though. They deliberately suck.


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  79. Thanks. I actually like Koivu as a 3rd- or 4th-liner. At $2-2.5M he’s a bit expensive for that spot, but he could support the PK, contribute 40 or so points and step up respectably when the inevitable injuries occur, and he’d still be one of the better lower-line centres around.

    Leblanc has a decent 17 points in 25 games with Hamilton this year, but most players benefit from a second year in the AHL — the kid is only 20 — and I wouldn’t want to assume he’ll be ready for the big team in October. We made that mistake with Engqvist, and I’d hate to make it again.

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  80. shiram says:

    by that logic that would mean you want the habs to make trades to try and make the playoffs…

  81. Chris says:

    We’re talking GM record versus coaching record.

    And he did do okay as GM, but not anything approaching his successes as a coach.

  82. Stev.R says:

    We may as well get Mike Milbury to be asst. GM and Barry Trotz to coach. Hell, lets sign Don Cherry to be our PP coach (use the points boys!!).


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