That wasn’t pretty

The Canadiens dialed up a stinker in their final Bell Centre game of the pre-season.

They play the Islanders in Quebec City tomorrow night and then retreat to the Charlevoix region to prepare for REAL hockey.

Elle Quebec cover boys (thanks, Harani)

Jacques Martin: 58 today.

Happy birthday, Mr. Coach:

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Special teams were the difference

Quotes from the room

On how to gauge new captain’s height: Stubbs

Photo gallery

Sabres were ready, Canadiens weren’t

• Dave Stubbs on Gionta

• The enigmatic Benoit Pouliot

 

Jaro stones the champs, D’Agostini scores

291 Comments

  1. habs03 says:

    Yesterday game was a perfect example of what preseason games are, we got to see who is ready and who is not, this is what pre-season is about, its not so much about who wins or losses but who plays better, Hawks are 1-4 this preseason and don’t forget the leafs were something like 7-1 in the preseason. while our PK was horrible some was due to the fact that guys like Weber were playing the PK. I think with a full line up, we’ll go with Gill-Gorges-Moen-Pleck- and then Hamrlik-Markov(Spacek for now), Halpern-Pyatt, alot better PK units then what we have had this preseason. Some on below asked what Boyd has done this pre-season, this guys is built to play, maybe it doesn’t show but he is a perfect 3rd line, fits the role way better then S.Kost, I also like him better at LW and I think he is more effective there, other notes, White better make this team, Darche should be in the AHL, but he is the perfect 13th forward that would sit in the pressbox and never complain. Ben Maxwell was awful, Weber might make it in the NHL but just not in MTL, O’B is finished at this point. Auld let in a few weak goals but he made good saves in the first, what I noticed about his play is he stay far back in the blue paint, the good thing about that is he is soo big that he still covers alot of the net and has more reaction time, but with that he can easily be beating up top like on one of the pp goals.

  2. KenD29 says:

    Just curious, when did Spacek become all of the Habs D ?!

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  3. derfab says:

    No need to pray. Price is a good goaltender and doesn’t need to be better than Halak. The guy that got to stay here is the only one who gets to be a star. Nobody gives a Huck Finn what happens in Missouri.

  4. Malreg says:

    Well, last time I checked Palushaj and Patches aren’t 4th line centers.  It could very well come down to Boyd or White for the final roster spot.  Personally, I hope there’s room for both of them.

  5. sholi2000.com says:

    I hear ya.  Some fans here are just like the Leaf fans when they lose.

    They Call Me Shane

  6. Gotta Wear Shades says:

    I took in the Bulldogs game in Corner Brook last night – Palushaj certainly impressed me, even though it was Wyman that picked up two goals and an assist. Avtsin was awarded the workhorse of the game and it was deserved… he’s a strong skater with good positioning, still a bit rough around the edges though.

    Mayer impressed as well… 36 save SO!

  7. larisalapointe says:

    Since I’m Canadian Crosby was my olympic star. But when he plays the habs, he’s not.

  8. sholi2000.com says:

    “Sure at first I gave er all I had.  I hated Scotty yelling at me all the time.  Then I became good and kinda just went with the flow”.  (Who Am I?)

    Not an exact quote.

    I agree Tommy, but that’s not gonna happen.

    They Call Me Shane

  9. habaddict_andy says:

    Just like we failed when Halak failed.

     

    Scott Gomez to Montreal Media “You’re a pain in the neck, but you’re our pain in the neck.”

  10. Richard B says:

    GO Habs.

    Lets just pray we begin to see in Price what management sees…and that we don’t spend the entire season reading reports about how great Halak played for ST. Louis.

    Richard

  11. habaddict_andy says:

    Seems to me you have a short term memory.  Whether Spacek was playing above his standard or not, he played excellent against Ovie.  It amazes me even some fans refuses to give credit to Montreal diffense for taking part on the playoff success.

     

    Scott Gomez to Montreal Media “You’re a pain in the neck, but you’re our pain in the neck.”

  12. derfab says:

    Boyd is a solid, fast forward and could take some of Moen’s ice this year. A very good signing. On Pyatt’s goal, Halpern also showed why he was signed.  Boyd has played with the other players you mention and has helped make them better in this camp. Boyd, White and Pacioretty is a very good 3rd or 4th line combo. 

  13. K-hab25 says:

    “in Montreal now” “let him develop” “he has potential” ” no goal support” ” this is not a knock on Price” LMFAO!!!!!!! Ya you were talking about Auld. Atleast have the balls to be honest. You’re as bad as the “Price guy”, that thinks Price is an anointted #1, that’s really just a back up quality goaltender.

  14. SeriousFan09 says:

    We almost didn’t make the playoffs because of the goaltending we had in the last week of the season at the same time, catching bottled lightning is great for a team but it doesn’t always last and again, NHL teams are wary of that.

    That CHI goaltending tandem is now playing in Switzerland and San Jose they were so good for CHI… Niemi got greedy and went for abritration so they said **** off and we’ll hire someone else Duncan Keith can make look good. Niemi was only the best goalie in the Cup Finals because Leighton was in nets on the other end.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  15. pic1983 says:

    The negativity on here considering the fact that we’ve only played a few pre-season games is astounding!

    To all the people putting so much stock in these EXHIBITION games, are you saying that because the oilers are undefeated in the pre-season that they are going to be 82-0 this year? Give me a break.  They have no D and shaky goaltending.  Even if each of their super rookies scored 70 points this year, they arent making the playoffs, and even if they make the playoffs, it will as an 8th seed and they will get knocked out in the first round. 

  16. K-hab25 says:

    So your a “Price guy”, but you think he’s a back up goaltender. LMAO!! Well Price is an average #1 at this point in his career, like Halak, but a back up he is not. Not to many guys in the history of the game, have had over 120 starts, with a 2.72 GAA and a .912 sv%, 1 playoff series win and 1 all-star start, before they turned 23. Halak at the same point in his career, had 16 starts, with a 2.89 and a .906 sv%, with 0 playoff series wins or all-star games. Since it took Halak till he was 24 to have a good season, maybe we could wait and see how Price does at 23 this season. You’re a Kovy guy though,, so flash wins over substance.

  17. TommyB says:

    Maybe not, but that’s how it should be.  Also, there are many NHLers who do practice like they play.  And that is not always a good thing. ;(

     

  18. TommyB says:

    Just checking…yup, the sky is falling this morning. Habs must have lost a game. A pre-season, meaningless game yet.

    Last night’s lineup was nowhere close to the full lineup that should take the ice to start the real season. I see no reason to be so alarmed. What I did see, throughout these exhibition games, is a couple of guys who are ready to make the jump. But being ready to make the jump, and being an experienced young NHL player, are not the same thing. Just because a young player is ready to make the jump doesn’t mean he immediately becomes a knowledgable veteran. There are still bumps in the road for these guys. PK Subban is a prime example. His penchant for taking penalties has become a concern of mine. I think he needs to stop trying to do so much on his own, and stop trying to please the crowd with every move. Just be the PK we saw at the end of last season and all will be fine.

    There are some guys from last year’s lineup that may be on thin ice.  Names aren’t necessary.  The question is, how long will JM and Co. wait for these guys to come around.  To “find their game”?  What was the reason for signing Halpern?  Could that job not have been filled from within this group of kids trying to make the club?  These are my concerns going forward.  Not the fact that we lost a crappy pre-season game.  The opener against the Leafs might be a little ugly too.  Don’t everybody go crazy if we lose that one too.  It could take a few games to get the actual lineup, and lines, running on all cylinders.

  19. RetroMikey says:

     A W is a W, does not matter if you have a bunch of old grannies playing on the roster or not.

    No lame excuses or sayin “what if…… was in the roster?”

    A W is a W.

  20. pic1983 says:

    When it comes to the habs, Mcguire’s a douche.  Actually, lately, he’s just a douche in general.  He says he’s just being objective and honest, but he isn’t.  We can be playing a fantastic game and he will focus on the negative rather than the positive. 

  21. pic1983 says:

    Buffalo without miller isnt anywhere, but its painfully obvious that they wont go anywhere because you cant just win with good goaltending in the playoffs.  If they had a better team, combined with Ryan Miller, maybe they would actually go somewhere.

    Chicago swept san jose, so dont even talk to me about them “needing” niemi to pull that off.

    As for leighton, Ryan Miller let in that exact same goal to sidney crosby to cost the US the gold medal at the olympics. 

    Just look at the 2009 playoffs.  Brodeur literally cost his team the series against the hurricanes.  MArtin brodeur, the all time leader in goalie wins.

     

     

     

     

  22. avatar_58 says:

    So I notice in all discussions Boyd is never brought up. So why does he automatically get a spot again? Is it because he was a UFA? White, Palushaj and Pacioretty impressed me more than he has.

    Just a thought. I mean all ‘proposed’ lineups include this guy, but he didn’t really wow me at all.

  23. SLONCOLD says:

    why did we make the playoffs last year? was it out perfect balance and great defensive play? i don’t think so

    well balanced teams win cups. Chicago has a good goalie tandem in the regular season and niemi was solid in the playoffs. and alllll goalies give up rebounds by the way, and for the most part niemi did a good job directing rebounds to the corner.

  24. sholi2000.com says:

    Sure, in minor hockey I expect my kids to give 110% all the time.  But in the Big Leagues that’s not how it works. 

    They Call Me Shane

  25. 123456 says:

    gotta agree. the stanley cup champion goalie fetched a lot…… tim thomas and his big cap hit fetched a lot… oh yea the back-up stanley cup goalie made a big splash. do us all a favor – keep posting your opinions but offer some logic to them…. as in have some thought behind them. i fyou think halak could have returned more after the draft then why – do you know any interesting trades that could have happened? i’m all for people coming up with ideas of their own but just think them out and offer some suggestions. until then… sell while the value is high i say

    secret mod

  26. adam76 says:

    There is one piece of good advice you’re likely to hear from every coach of every sport anywhere in the world: “Practice like you play!” In other words, if you expect to play like a demon in the big game on Saturday, you had better practice that hard all through the week. If you loaf through practices, you are not going to shine when your big moment comes in the big game. “Saving your strength” in practice is counter-productive.

  27. sholi2000.com says:

    No need to over react people, it was a pre season game. No need for our top guys to be out there going full tilt.  That’s when injuries happen.  Some of the young guns were going all out, and that’s what this is all about.

    However…..OBi, young man you have got to be better.

    They Call Me Shane

  28. avatar_58 says:

    The entire team fell apart in the Philly series. The true difference between that series and the others was that Halak didn’t stand on his head, and instead played like your average young goalie would.

    The unfortunate reality now, however, is we don’t have a “halak” to fall back on. If Price fails – the team fails. That’s the truth. I honestly hope if this starts to happen they get rid of Auld and make a trade for a vet to be our #1, with Price taking his rightful backup “future #1″ role. None of this annointed nonsense.

  29. SLONCOLD says:

    we made the ECF beacause of some fantastic goaltending:-)

    you shouldn’t rely soley on any player or specific position… But lets put it this way, a goalie at the end of the day can cover up a lot of bad turn overs and defensive mistakes. goalies are literally the last line of defense.

    A good goalie is supposed to cover up mistakes. However, in montreal now, we have the habit of making excuses for the time being; not a full roster, let him develop, he has potential, no goal support and so on. (ps: this is not a knock on price beacause the same arguements can be made for any goalie).

  30. KenD29 says:

    And that was all because of Spacek?!  Not from what I recall…

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  31. StevieRay says:

    Not a good game for Gomez last nite … Bennie ??? what gives with that guy ??? Poor O’Bryne  ..it looks like he’s so worrried about making a mistake which makes his game hesitant …

    I noticed last nite Macguire ( sp) ??  on TSN critizied OB for being soft on the puck when he was stripped behind the nite ,leading to a goal by the Sabres …the next play the Buffalo D man also lost the puck and we scored ..his comments then were ..” no the sabre D man had no support .. from his forwards on the play !

    AK goal …should have counted .

    We still look soft  and with no jump !! JM and his staff has got to get these guys ” in the mode ” !! to play .. we’ll see how things go on Thursday ..here’s hoping for a better performance .

    One last thing …Keep Ryan White !! He’s a hard nosed westerm league kid who goes to the net .

  32. KenD29 says:

    Still well said. And would still take Bouillon over Spacek thanks.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  33. SeriousFan09 says:

    Miller still didn’t deliver at the end of the day and while Buffalo isn’t much without him, you still have to make those saves in the playoffs be really ranked elite.

    Where would CHI be if they had any other goalie who could be good for 1 of his 4 playoff series protected by the best defence in the NHL? Still likely with Cup Rings thanks to an elite defence that cleared out Niemi’s 15+ giant rebounds a game.

    They wouldn’t be the Flyers because they don’t know goaltending when they see it.

    Goalies are important, but teams are seeing a rotating group of goalies in the ‘elite’ discussion but few remain at the top and it’s driving down value when none of these so-called elite goalies have really stayed at the top of their craft for several years straight. So many are looking to stack the blue line and go with cheaper goaltending solutions since spending the big money in free agency to buy your Cup goalie has not worked out since the lockout ended.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  34. pic1983 says:

    Good points.  You also forgot to mention that one of the best goalies in the league last year (Bryzgalov) was a pick up off the waiver wire.  He wasnt put on waivers because he was no good.  He was only put on waivers because burke had signed hiller, and had giguere under contract, and no team offered up anything for bryzgalov (who was stellar even in anaheim).

    I think the fact that we actually got lars eller and ian schultz, for a goalie who signed with the blues for $3.75million/yr is astonishing. 

  35. K-hab25 says:

    I’m not taking anything away from him. I’m telling the truth. People are always using the olympics and the playoffs, as proof of Halak’s greatness. I just remind them, he finished 4th in both. The “proven winner” has never won anything, at any level. He played like garbage in his last 2 olympic games and the PHI series. You know, when real champions bring there A games. He’s still a young guy though, so maybe he’ll become “great”, but he isn’t yet. IMO

  36. avatar_58 says:

    Actually it’s funny – there’s major truth to this. The habs were one of the lowest scoring teams yet look what happened – ECF. The reality is ANYONE can score. 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th liners. Did anyone expect Moore, Lapierre or Moen to pull of those moves? Sometimes it’s not about getting that Richard trophy – it’s about who rises to the occasion and is good defensively as well (ie – pyatt, plekanecs)

    The goalie IS important. However you shouldn’t rely solely on the guy, blaming every loss on him.

  37. Hagar says:

    Ouch. That could create some bad blood, lol. How could he stop him from accepting another job though? Couldn’t he just quit? How would that work? “It’s my goal to lead the league in 4 minute roughing things” -Scott Gomez

  38. SLONCOLD says:

    where is buffalo without miller?

    where is chicago against SJ without some of the great performances from niemi?

    what if philly had a goalie who didn’t suck on a bad angle shot?

    GOALIES ARE EVRY IMPORTANT.

    Here’s one for you. I say 40 goal scorers are overated and not important…. If the player can’t play 2way hockey and help out the D why should i waste money on a guy who can score? Ovie hasn’t won a cup, kovy hasn’t, thorton, heatley, gaborik haven’t. Do you know how many great forwards have choked in the playoffs? i could go on if you would like:-) so forwards when u think of it aren’t important especially seeing how someone of them have flash in the pan good years….

  39. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    thats f’ing hilarious. 

  40. avatar_58 says:

    Maybe you forget but Broduer played like an AHL’er under ZERO pressure. Luongo shat the bed when called upon in the final minutes. With a supposed all star cast in front of them.

    Don’t take away Halak’s success because he’s no longer a hab. I really rooted for him to get silver or bronze, and it was dissapointing when they lost.

  41. SeriousFan09 says:

    I was speaking of Bouillon, every time I think of him in a Habs jersey he was passing to the other team with his behind the net blind pass or getting angry in the crease and shoving a guy so he ended up helping him score.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  42. Mark C says:

    If Montreal waited until after the draft to trade Halak, they would have had about four days to trade him before before goalies started costing only money and not players and money.  

     

  43. avatar_58 says:

    You don’t have to tell me this, I’ve felt that way for years. However Halak was consistently a good worker. If we lost it usually was due to not scoring or amazing goals. Occasional stinkers yes, but usually not. To me it’s a little much that they toss him away without even speaking about a contract. For all we know he’d have taken less money if he was given the #1 job from day 1. We’ll never know.

    One thing is for sure – and this is coming from a Price-man – our current #1 is rattled and under a giant microscope. Our backup blows chunks. We may have a goaltending problem.

  44. TomNickle says:

    Ovie played the perimeter because he couldn’t get into the slot and get a clean shot off against Spacek early in the series.

  45. KenD29 says:

    Thankfully for Spacek, Ovie played the perimeter!

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  46. KenD29 says:

    Well said!

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  47. TomNickle says:

    I think I’d rather have Spacek going up against Ovechkin in the playoffs than Bouillon.

  48. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yep, nothing like having the master of the blind pass from behind the net that goes right to the other team, or the expert on pushing the other guys into the goalie and helping them score.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  49. SeriousFan09 says:

    People who pay attention know that the goaltender market is crap right now. The ‘elite goaltender’ idea is getting waved away as teams are finding that these goalies have flashes of brilliance one year than are mediocre the next.

    The most accomplished active goalie Brodeur has not won a playoff round in 3 years. Nabokov always found the right time to choke for SJ before running off to the KHL and Bobby Lou can’t keep the puck out when he plays the 2nd round of the playoffs. Cam Ward has won 6 playoff series in his career and a Conn Smythe but battles with regular season consistency. Best goalie in the world for 2010 Ryan Miller couldn’t stand against a Boston team that blew a 3-0 lead against PHI. JS Giguere couldn’t be given away and had to be moved in an exchange of salary dumps between TOR and ANA.

    Goalies don’t bring in value in the trade market and no one’s sold that they’re getting the next elite goaltender because there really aren’t any Roys or Haseks in the NHL right now.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  50. bwoar says:

    Eh, he was just setting us up for Stu’s huge piece on it later today.

  51. TommyB says:

    Exactly.  Makes me think McGuire should be posting as a regular on this site.

  52. kempie says:

    Why is it that these easily comprehendible and well documented facts still have to be explained to so many Gainey haters? The truth is that, as you said, before BG, we had Bullis, Sunstrom, Zednik, Quintal, Traverse & T-bo. Now we make the playoffs and players actually want to play for the CH again.

  53. KenD29 says:

    Spacek??!! Would have prefered Bouilon to Spacek any day!

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  54. bwoar says:

    I liked the part where you actually apologized, but invoking the .com police makes this post a big WIN.

  55. HabFanSince72 says:

    Carle  has been waived.

  56. TommyB says:

    LMAO…wow, tell us how you really feel about McGuire, Goats!

  57. mike g says:

    Thanks man!

    But I was never a big wrestling fan, so I’m not sure I understand the comliment!

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  58. SLONCOLD says:

    dude, he played well for slovakia… don’t take that away….

  59. K-hab25 says:

    This from the guy that posted, “this is my last post about Price”, then posted about him almost everyday since.

  60. SLONCOLD says:

    haha Thibault….. those were some dark days

  61. avatar_58 says:

    You know what makes me laugh? Macguire thinking we could “automatically” get all those players. As if you can just choose who you want in a trade. Did he not think maybe the Blues said “this or nothing”?

  62. kempie says:

    Never cared for Ruff. I’ll grudgingly admit that he seems to get better results than he should with that team but the boring style puts me to sleep. The biggest knock against him though, I think is on a slightly subconscious level with me. I just can’t let go of the fact that he was the one chosen to replace Ted Nolan. Nolan was at the time (and likely still could be) one of the best coaches available. Clearly fired and seemingly “blackballed” for some pretty ugly reasons I can’t wrap my head around. And, as a Petes fan from Peterborough, you know I’d love to hate Nolan. 


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