Mario Tremblay will supplement his RDS gig with daily appearances on a new CKAC radio show.

Mario Langlois will be host of Du hockey, on en mange, weekdays from 11:30 a.m. to 1 p.m. Tremblay’s segment will run from noon to 12:30.

He’ll also join the supporting cast on Les amateurs de sports, Michel Villeneuve’s afternoon-drive show.

• Patrick V. Hickey has some thoughts on Tremblay

Andrei Markov should be captain, Saku Koivu tells La Presse’s Richard Labbé

* This is going to be so much fun to read: the brilliant Down Goes Brown has a column in the National Post

Blake Wheeler signing pushes Bruins over the capnew

Ian White for $5 less than $3 million? Wow!

Today’s fan video (warning: Chick flick)


• A good man leaves the hockey beat. Tarik El-Bashir of the Washington Post will be doing other stuff. He Tweets: Thanks for the kind words everyone. It was time to try something different. More important, it was time to have time to be a full-time dad.

• Michael Whitehouse on Canadiens playoff goaltending performances

Andrew Ladd gets $2.35 million

• Another Q guy who got away: Jason Demers, two years for $2.5 million in San Jose

Updated FA list

Hawks tickets up 20 per cent … even before the Niemi decision

• SI’s Jim Kelley on the NHL’s Summer of Discontent

• Scott Burnside: Five Centres to Watch

Could Kaberle be staying put?

European Hockey for Dummies (thanks, nightmare_49)


  1. avatar_58 says:

    I have no idea. I had fully expected to read “Price traded to ****** for ******* and a ******* round pick” this off season. When my boss said Halak was traded with a smile (leaf fan) I laughed and said “haha, really funny.”.

    Much like the Huet trade I refused to actually believe it was anything more than a leaf fan trying to play with me. Much like the Huet trade it turned out to be true and I wished I was dreaming.

  2. Bugs says:

    “Obvious proper move”??? Looked through the rest of your post for to explain WHY it was the “obvious proper move” but nothing was found.

    The best part however is your SUPPORTING argument that says: because you feel that trading our winning-consistently-for-four-years-and-single-handedly-securing-a-spot-in-the-playoffs-for-two-years-and-possibly-a-third-had-Huey-not-played-that-game-against-the-leafers-and-being-a-Conn-Smythe-trophy-candidate-during-the-2010-playoffs num1 goalie was a terible, terrible mistake, THAT MEANS you will boo Price, Gomie, Gio, Gill, PK, and Poolio, and Mother Goose, and sick kids, and God.

    That’s what that means. If you think losing Halak was bad, you’re a booer. Plain and simple. You got it? Good!

    I love it!

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory:

  3. habrez says:

    I wonder if both AK46 and Frolov struggle to start the year how long before Eklund predicts a swap.

  4. mike g says:


    A real fan will always see a positive in a negative situation. When you see a guy like Pouliot struggle, don’t boo him.

    When you see Price, a 22 year old goaltender of the Montreal Canadiens that’s trying to find his game in the NHL, don’t boo him.

    When Eller goes through his struggles next year, don’t call the radio stations the first chance you get in order to bash him and say we should have kept Halak because Eller is useless…

    There are so many examples I can use. This city and fans are lost, they don’t know what they want. The hype for Price was insane, he came here and played very well in his 1st year, then he struggled abit so everyone threw him under the bus at 21 years old. Seriously?, that’s pathetic. Sergei came here as a 50 goal scorer in the OHL, big hype and hopes for him, but after 3 years he’s shipped out of town. Everyone hated him lately, but then the day he’s traded the “fans” ask themselves why we got rid of such a talented player, why he couldn’t work here, and why we only got Boyd.

    The fans don’t know what they want. When Kovy left, this city was in shock, who was gonna replace him? The fans did a parade and protested. Now, Cammy took that love from the fans, and we don’t want Kovy anymore. But, we still flooded the media with that and hated Bob Gainey for it. But why doesn’t anyone love BG for getting Cammy? Sounds very strange, doesn’t it?….

    We label players as something, and then don’t change our minds. We labelled Koivu as a selfish person who used the Habs to get rich since he didn’t wanna learn french. That’s sad, considering he donated millions to Quebec hospitals to help the sick kids live since the Gov’t wasn’t buying the necessary equipment.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  5. ZepFan2 says:

    Losing record?

    134 GP – 60 W – 48 L

    How is that a losing record?


    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  6. j2w4habs25 says:


    10, there is 1 real fan? probably ,more like

    For every 10, there is 7 real fans…

  7. smiler2729 says:

    I liked Halak but I started disliking him more and more not because of him but rather the “fans” who elevated him to godlike status when in essence, and it will be apparent this season, he is an overrated goalie.

  8. ooder says:

    man this goalie argument is starting to get so annoying.

    it’s no secret I like Halak as a goalie and I think that even with the adversity he faced he did a very good job.

    however, there is no point in having 2 great goalies since 1 always sits on the bench.

    Price is the canadiens guy.. that’s it… let’s roll with it and cheer for him and the team.

    guess what, favorite players get traded or leave.. it happens.. gilmour left toronto, Linden left vancouver etc etc

    however, can we stop putting halak down as well to prove a point.

    I mean I read here that halak really wans’t that good these playoffs, i mean cooommmon lets stop twisting facts

    if it wasn’t for his awesoem play we don’t even sniff the second round or the third.

    Oh sure the blocking shots helped, but still… i thinks ome of you guys forget how monstrous halak was when it came to crunch time.


    88 is the new 23

  9. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’ve been a staunch, though hopefully good-natured, opponent of the Jaro Kool-Aid drinkers. My view was: good goalie, but it was him or Price, and since he is the one who forced the issue, and his trade value was sky-high, it was probably  right to trade him – and this Eller kid looks pretty good.

    But lately I’ve been thinking. Maybe we should have kept him. He had roughly  the same save % as Ryan Miller last season (.924, 4th in the league). His playoff run was phenomenal. He carried that same  save % throughtout the playoffs against the two most offensively explosive teams in the league.  He’s young and would have only cost $3M.



  10. habs03 says:

    “For every 10 Habs “fans”, there is 1 real fan”, you nailed it right there, some people who think Halak is god like are ones that watch th Habs during playoff time only.

  11. habs03 says:

    “For every 10 Habs “fans”, there is 1 real fan”, you nailed it right there, some people who think Halak is god like are ones that watch th Habs during playoff time only.

  12. j2w4habs25 says:

    I totally agree about how people say this is the best hockey fanbased in the Hockey world aha that is just funny if there is people that really think that. I wish we can be but it will be many years if that were to happen. Maybe Team Canada fans are the best I would think.

    But the way we boo our players, the way support them when their losing is just insane..

    like you said buddie, I cant wait till Price and Eller get booed because they arent Halak.

  13. aemarchand11 says:

    I think people should be thankfull there is a team in montreal and that it has such a great history. But along with that great history is also a reputation of having rediculous expectation from unreasonable fans.

    Went to the OTT-MTL game right after Markov and Scheider went down with injury in 2009, right before the playoffs. Halak was in nets at the time, but the team looked lost. They did just lose both of their offensive defencemen in one game. They blew a lead and Heatley scored two goals in the 3rd peiord, well WOW is all I can say the fans booed the habs right out of the arena, not taking into account the situation the team was in.

    I was shocked, and wanted to throwdown with the people around me for being rediculous. Mind you the entire game they were dicussing how Vinny was coming home. That really worked out eh?

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  14. Ian Cobb says:

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  15. G-Man says:

    Tooooo sarcastic. lol

  16. G-Man says:

    So, mindless “real fans” are the only ones allowed to express an opinion? lol.

    Blind faith, Habs pennant- waving fanatics with no judgment only, please.

    Development is for the minors. Habs should have players, not projects.

  17. Chuck says:

    Uh… that’s the joke.

  18. j2w4habs25 says:

    good post.

  19. ZepFan2 says:

    I liked the idea of Cammi wearing the C. But the more I think about it, I agree that it’s probably better he just stick to putting the puck in the net and be a leader on the ice.

    Like here:  Cammalleri OT goal vs Rangers

    Mike cammalleri overtime goal vs rangers

    Gionta seems more adept at doing both.


    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  20. Curtoph says:

    Skippidy doo-daa

  21. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Mattyleg: You’re so right on about Mike Milbury. I have the exact same feeling about Barry Melrose.

  22. Ian Cobb says:

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  23. Khabo says:


    Hi Ian

    I lost your address since last year.  can you send it to me so i can send you the money order for 2


  24. mike g says:

    During last season, I tried to talk like you on this site….

    The result was a backlash of “insulted fans”. They hosed me, and said I was crazy. People replied to my post saying we have the best fans, we just demand the best, were the most knowledgeable fans, etc…

    It’s all bs. I said that for every 10 Habs “fans”, there is 1 real fan. The rest believe everything they hear on the radio, read in the papers, and all the rest of the crap that goes around. They then repeat it all day long, and act like they know something about hockey.

    It’s very sad to say it, but most of the Habs’ fanbase is illogical, one-dimensional, and delusional. As a die hard fan myself, it hurts to admitt it.

    I just can’t wait till Price and Eller get booed because they aren’t Halak. That’s one heck of a way to encourage our team and help the young guys develop, eh?


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  25. Howie55 says:

    Good post. I agree 100%

    Pour moi, Saku c’est un champion qui n’a pas encore gagné. Il joue comme un champion, il s’entraîne comme un champion, il mange comme un champion. Un jour, il le deviendra

  26. G-Man says:

    This won’t stop because there’s nothing else going on until the mid-August camps in Brossard.

    Telling Halak fans to cheer for the Blues is just arrogant. Fans of the Habs can hold any opinion they want and this is the site to put it on-line. Don’t like the pro-Halak anti-Price debate or vice-versa? Skip the post.

  27. joeybarrie says:

    I am finding it hard to find the right word or feeling i have based on the multiple posts STILL mentioning us losing our NUMBER ONE. Not even as much as when we lost Huet.

    I can’t figure out if it’s sad, pathetic, stupid, ridiculous, antagonistic, or annoying.

    Not sure if I am shocked people STILL can’t accept an obvious proper move. But I guess i’m hoping for too much in this city.

    I wonder if anyone understands that by doing these things we actually hurt our own team. Or if anyone actually cares. I guess because of previous success then ANYONE can tell us what we have to do to win. And that they are of course right, despite their absolute lack of experience in professional hockey.

    First step to the Stanley Cup will be to BOO Price on his first mistake. I have to say as much as I WANT us to win the cup, Sometimes the people in this city DO NOT DESERVE IT.

    We are far from the best fans in Hockey. We are the loudest, and the best when we are winning. It always makes me laugh when people say I will not apologize for expecting a winning team. But can they apologize for being an idiot?

    So I say we start to really pester our players we are unhappy with.

    Lets BOO Gomez because someone else over paid him.

    Lets BOO Price because he is young and people believe Halak’s one year of more success makes him the better goalie.

    Let’s BOO Gionta because he isnt taller

    Let’s BOO Gill because he isnt faster

    Let’s BOO PK when he makes a rookie mistake

    Let’s BOO Pouliot if he goes a few games without scoring.

    ON AND ON.  We are pretty BAD fans when you think about it.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  28. fuhgawz says:

    Ian how many $160 tickets are available?

  29. G-Man says:

    Problem is that your avatar is of a “retired” jersey with Price’s number on it. Gimme a break. No goalie with a losing record gets his sweater # retired.


  30. ed lopaz says:

    the 5 elimination games – with our backs to the wall – and NO ONE expecting us to win – Halak’s .960 save percentage was truly amazing in those 5 games.

    that is what should be remembered about the ’09/10 playoffs.

    those 5 elimination games that staved off elimination against Ovechkin, Crosby and Malkin.


    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  31. Ian Cobb says:


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    Nov. 5th, We are watching the Habs vs  Sabers game at Hurley’s Pub
    1225 Crescent St.  on big screen around 6pm. Name tags will be given out.

     Sat. morning, Breakfast will be at Chez Coras 1240 Drummond St. at 8:30am

     Sat. at 10;30 Bell Center tour and Habs Hall of Fame tour.


    at 2:45 Pregame meal and The Children’s Foundation Raffle at The Baton
    Rouge Rest. 1050 Mountain St. Don’t forget to bring along something to
    contribute to the raffle please.

     Across the street at 7pm our Habs take on the Ottawa Senator’s


    game celebration. We have the second floor of Hurley’s Pub reserved for
    us. A password will be given to you at the pregame meal to by pass any
    line up and entry to our HIO celebration room.

     Sunday farewell breakfast to be announced.

     See you all in Montreal,!!


  32. Ian Cobb says:

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  33. ed lopaz says:

    after we lost game 1 vs philly 6-0, even though I was a huge halak fan, I would have gone to price for game 2.

    we needed a bigger and more physical presence vs philly.

    philly charged the net and played very physical in the blue paint.


    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  34. G-Man says:

    Giggy has always cheated to the best of his abilities with his over-sized lacrosse outfit. If there was a way to make his mask as wide as the top of the net, he would wear one. Still, he did win a cup.

    And no matter what stats you can pull out, Halak helped the Habs have a great run last playoffs, while CP didn’t. There is no goalie debate. Halak is better. Habs kept the other 1. Cheaper cap hit. If it isn’t a $2 mil cap hit or less, Goatier will be looking like a real idiot.

  35. fuhgawz says:

    I come on HIO once in a blue moon during the summer to see what everyone is talking about the funny thing is it seems like its mid season and the goaile debate is on fire.  I can believe it.

    Jaro is gone Carey is in — If your a fan of Jaro go cheer for the Blues If your a fan of the Montreal Canadiens then shut up and cheer for who we got its a TEAM game alway was always will be.


    Hope everyone is enjoying thier summer anyway


    As for Captain all i know is who ever wears the C will do it with pride so that is all i can ask for  

  36. nightmare_49 says:

       One time Flame Eric Nystrom on what it was growing up on Long Island as the son of the great Bob Nystrom / by Brendan Manley/Syossott Patch

       For Syosset native-turned NHL vet, there’s still no place like home.

       Nystrom Just Can’t Get A Decent Bagel In Minnesota

        Eric being drafted 10th overall by the Calgary Flames in 2002. The selection was yet another feather in the cap for LI hockey, which in addition to 1998 draftee and fellow Syosset native Rob Scuderi (now with the L.A. Kings), produced other top talents like Chris Higgins (Florida) and Mike Komisarek (Toronto) during the same period. (Higgins was also drafted in 2002, 14th overall; Komisarek was picked seventh overall in 2001.) All three players came up together and remain friends to this day.

  37. Mark C says:

    That didn’t take long…B’s agree to terms with Wheeler’s award.

  38. punkster says:

    Loved your Bower/Sawchuk comment earlier Steve. I was 15 at the time and idolized Keon but the magic those two goalies brought to that Cup run was amazing. This is one of the reasons I could never get to hyped up on the Habs Goalie Controversy. They couldn’t hold a candle to that 60s tandem.


  39. mike g says:


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  40. habs03 says:

    lol, I’m also sorry, I didn’t see that your comments were a reply to the post above :). I like Ian White because he reminds me a lot of Bullion expect White has a better all around game, both are small but the size of their hearts makes up for it. I’ll never forget Bullion lay out Ovie two years ago.

  41. Storm Man says:

    You know what the difference is, When Price signs all the boo birds can come on here and say that is too much money and WTF is with the term and all this for a 4-11 goaltender ect ect ect.

  42. ed lopaz says:

    why be upset? 

    Gauthier is fine with it.

    Price seems fine with it.

    The 2 of them are enjoying their summers.

    So should we.



    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  43. Storm Man says:

    Ask him your standing right next to him :)

  44. habs03 says:

    What is the difference between him signing now and aug 30th for example?

  45. ed lopaz says:


    Philly destroyed us in the blue paint. they scored almost all of their goals by crashing the net.

    Halak’s BIGGEST WEAKNESS – is that he is too nice, too soft, and he was unwilling to stick a forward in the back of the leg where they would have felt it.

    regardless of new rules, habs could not clear the crease vs philly.

    they lost the series in “the trenches”.

    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  46. SLONCOLD says:

    uhm halak was your number one and that’s why he got the games. do u bench cammy the next game if he doesn’t score a goal or move him to the fourth line? JM was trying to win games and halak was the better of the 2 this year so he went with halak. what’s hard to understand about that?

    by the way niemi wasn’t benched when he gave up 5 goals a few times in favor of huet.

  47. TomNickle says:

    All I’m doing is showing people who claim Jaro Halak’s playoff performance to be the best they’ve ever seen a performance(Giguere’s) that was head and shoulders better.

    You want me to pat Jaro Halak on the head and say good job, I’ll do it.  I’ll kindly thank him for playing outstanding in elimination games against the Capitals and Penguins. 

    I will not call his post-season the best I’ve ever seen and will try to show people who believe it to be that there have been several performances in the last decade alone that have been better.


  48. TomNickle says:

    I don’t disagree one bit Ed.

    Price probably should have started game 2 or game 3 of the Philadelphia series.

    Obviously we won game 3 and hindsight is 20/20 but your point is valid.

    If nothing else Jaro Halak might have needed a break like he did against Washington.

  49. Chuck says:

    Not only was that a stunning series performance, but it was CONSISTENTLY stunning. All four games. Jaro had three great games in a row, but showed chinks in his armour early in the series. Giguere was the true definition of a wall.

  50. matraque says:

    Did Carey signed yet?

    Man i’m getting impatient… we lost our no 1 and now Carey is not signing… WTF?


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  51. TomNickle says:

    Come on.  Have you seen Jaro Halak, or any other goaltender without their equipment on?

    They essentially deflate.  Giguere had no more of an advantage in 02-03 than any other goaltender in the league.  


  52. SLONCOLD says:

    tom, why can’t fans be happy with what they saw from halak during the playoffs. it was fun to be excited with his play. like you mentioned before in previous posts with halak, he didn’t do the goal scoring and shot blocking… same logic should be applied to gigy’s performance as well. he was one member of team that helped the team win

  53. ed lopaz says:

    I am still troubled by the unwillingness of Martin to play Price when Halak had his bad moments.

    For example, didn’t we lose the first game to Philly 6-0??

    Why wouldn’t Martin show some confidence in Price?

    Its Martin who has DIMINISHED the reputation of Price.

    Its the perception that Price had become a back up to Halak, by only playing a few games down the stretch and 1/19 starts in the playoffs.

    Its this that has created the turmoil around Price.

    This is what Gainey was trying to avoid the previous season by playing price all 4 games vs Boston.

    Gainey knew 2 seasons ago that Price needed to be kept in the net; to develop, and to sustain his confidence.

    Martin through all of that out the window.

    Now Price is left to pick up the pieces while the f-heads in the rafters boo him.




    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  54. 24 Cups says:

    It would appear that the never ending Halk-Price debate will never cease to bring thousands of hits to the H I/O site.  If this keeps up all summer, Mike Boone’s Gazette bonus is going to be on a par with Taylor Hall’s.

  55. Chuck says:

    Problem is, even the author admits that the stats are incomplete, and
    that he can’t measure performances back as far as he’d like. The other
    problem is that it’s completely subjective; the numbers used to
    tabulate are accurate (shots, saves, etc.), but the weighting system is completely
    arbitrary. He could have used any number of weighting systems in order
    to influence the outcome… which is in fact what he did, considering that he used a different method from his first chart to come up with a completely different result.

  56. SLONCOLD says:

    Gigy was create that year but boy i remember his equipment being soooo huge. that chest pad of his was massive

  57. mike g says:

    Not to mention Giguere’s crease was full of crashers…

    Alot of people tend to forget how difficult it was for goaltenders 5+ years ago, before the NHL implemented stricter rules on interference. Big, strong forwards like Holmstrom in his prime used to just go park their behinds infront of the net and take a beating. The defenseman would cross-check, punch, and do everything to try get them to move, but it wouldn’t work.

    Goaltenders had alot more “dirty” saves to make, and they were interfered with alot more than the goalies today. I still think that if the rules would be the same, someone like Niemi wouldn’t have won the Cup this year. He’s terrible on rebounds, and back then rebounds were what the net crashers looked for and fed off of.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  58. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    Sorry, I didn’t mean ridiculous as in “too much”. I think White is a good defenseman, it’s a pretty fair contract. It’s just the 3,000,000 – 5 part that I find ridiculous. I can just picture Sutter discussing it in his office.

    “No WAY am I giving that clown 3 million dollars! (cough) Knock a fiver off there and sign it.”

  59. TomNickle says:

    Giguere swept the 02-03 Red Wings on the heels of a game 1, triple overtime, 63 save performance.

    That team’s roster included…..

    Sergei Federov, Brett Hull, Brendan Shanahan, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Igor Larionov, Tomas Holmstrom, Luc Robataille, Steve Yzerman, Nicklas Lidstrom, Chris Chelios, Mathieu Schneider and Jiri Fischer.

    Giguere held the Red Wings to 5 goals in 4 games.

    And swept them.

    If you think Halak’s performance against the Capitals even sniffs Giguere’s against the Wings, I feel sorry for you.

  60. PrimeTime says:

    Your point is well taken….especially your arguement posted below @ 9:25. However, fans such as Clay and others of his camp will never accept it and will continue to counter based the perspective he provides. I agree with you, the only way Price (IF he re-signs) can build fan support to is to win. Unfortunately, this pressure makes it that much more difficult for him to succeed. He doesn’t have a clean slate and has zero “benefit of the doubt” credability whether that is valid or not. In 29 of the 30 NHL cities, the goalie is just part of the team but in MTL the position it the center piece of the team like it or not. Price has a steep hill to climb but it starts with the TEAM winning games. In the end, if I’m his advisor, I’m telling him to get the heck out of Dodge and enjoy your professional career elsewhere as soon as you can which is why I believe he is quietly holding out and requesting a trade. Lebron slipped out of the pressure and I think Price will try to do the same (in no way am I comparing the 2 athletes to each other…….just the pressure put on them by the fans in a no win situation).




    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans

  61. habs03 says:

    White is a good D-man, 2.5 would have been more reasonable but I wouldn’t call it “ridiculous”.

  62. TomNickle says:

    Actually Ed I’m suggesting the contrary.  I see plenty of posts from people saying they’ve never seen a better playoff performance than Halak’s this post-season.

    It’s funny considering what Giguere did merely seven years ago.

    Also funny considering performances from the likes of Brodeur, Roy, Turco, Osgood, Hasek, Joseph and a few others.

    Halak’s post-season had it’s ups and downs.  Certainly not worthy of being called one of the all-time best.

  63. habs03 says:

    Halak was amazing but he had a few off games, what Halak did in game 6 Vs. the Caps, Giguere did night in night out, that Ducks Vs Wings first round was amazing. I still remember that Stevens hit on Karyia in the finals like it was yesterday.

  64. Mattyleg says:

    Ha! Great line, Hickey: “Montreal already has a surplus on unemployed coaches who have found new
    careers second-guessing guys who have gainful employment.”

    Precisely why I hate Mike Milbury in particular on HNIC. A proven flop at so many levels, and his “opinion” counts?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  65. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    No way was Darryl Sutter going to pay Ian White 3 million/yr.

    Ha! That is amazing! What a ridiculous contract.

  66. ed lopaz says:

    Tom, what is your point in this post.

    Giguere won a Stanley Cup in Anaheim.

    he has had a successful career, and is now in his mid 30’s.

    Are you saying that Giguere did not have a good career?

    Are you suggesting that halak should be compared to Giguere?

    I’m not sure what you are saying here.



    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  67. Clay4bc says:

    “If you’re of the opinion that Halak’s playoff performance was the best you’ve ever seen….”

    Love the melodrama!

    I said it was the best single series performance I have ever seen (against the Caps). Whitehous’s stats back it up. I stand by my statement…



    Carey Price killed my dog.

  68. RGM says:

    He’s been here for longer than the majority of the team, so he’s got seniority over a lot of other rumoured candidates – the only one that is a serious candidate that he can’t pull rank on is Markov. A simple extension takes care of the contract status (I don’t think he’ll get as much as Eric Engels speculated the other day, but it’ll be a nice raise), but I do see your point there. Youth is clearly not an issue when it comes to assigning the C in the NHL anymore – look at Toews and Sid and how old they were when they got their letter.

    It’s going to be a fun discussion in the coming weeks – certainly doesn’t have the ugliness to it that the Price-bashers bring to the table when they set him, and by proxy the team, up for failure. 

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

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  70. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Sorry RGM, I like Gorges and I have said in the past he could be Captain material. I think because he is still not signed past this season (and is still young on the team, both in age and seniority), that will have a factor on it.

    By no means was I trying to take anything away from Gorgie…he is another one of our iron-men. One of the best acquisitions Habs have made.

  71. TomNickle says:

    Jean Sebastien Giguere posted the following statistics during the 02-03 playoffs with Anaheim……

    GP     W     L     GAA     SV%     SO

    21     15    6     1.62    .945      5


    If you’re of the opinion that Halak’s playoff performance was the best you’ve ever seen.  You weren’t watching in 02-03(understandable since they played a lot on the West Coast).

    It was pre-lockout but Giguere had to go up against Detroit and Dallas in the first two rounds and they were the class of the West.  He also saw 33 shots per game, which in the pre-lockout period was probably the equivalent to what 40+ shots per game is now.  

    I remember the Ducks played the Stars in a game that went at least three overtime periods where Giguere was peppered.  That game, in my mind was far and away better than any of Halak’s performances this post-season.  

    The thing to consider about Giguere’s run is not only that he took a #7 seed to the Finals and within one game of winning the Stanley Cup but that he almost single handedly swept the Red Wings and Wild and kept his team in games long enough against the Stars to win in 6 games.

  72. RGM says:

    *ahem* What about the guy below?


     Josh Gorges for Captain!

  73. Curtoph says:

    Well put, I also believe who ever is made Captain is going to be Captain for the right reasons, and will be able to lead the team to good things, the team knows how the team works inside and out and therefore they know better than us who it will be.


    I just wonder, if they have already picked 100% who the captain will be?

  74. RiverviewCanadien says:

    My thought on the potential Captain and reasons:

    Gionta – hockey smart, size does not matter with him, very effective and a good role model for the young guys. He knows what has to be done night-in and night-out.
    Markov – he is Markov, nuff said. Hab for life? (I hope so)
    Pleks – I always hear about how he talks to the guys on the bench and gets them going, has been a Hab his entire career and is well spoken. Plays the roles the coach and team needs him to. He seems to love this sport and this team. He is the Habs iron man.
    Gill – big, tall, wore the A all season, seems to be the glue amongst the players.

    As a fan, we have no idea what really goes on behind closed doors, we see the on-ice product which does speak volumes, but does not give the entire picture. Anyways those are my top candidates, but whoever it is, I know it will be the best fit, that is why they waited a full season with all the new faces. I never mentioned Camms, not because I can’t see him filling, I just don’t see him filling that role. He has a good media presence and is a fan fav, but I like how things were last year with him, scoring goals.

    I am so looking forward to this season, I love this team, I love the moves the club has done.

  75. Puck Bard says:

    1. If the former captain says it, by all means, make it Markov (note to self: despite working with a hand like a foot, as captain Koivu never brought us the cup)

    2. Tremblay: Meh, what do I care? He’s being asked to comment, not coach.
    3. Boy, Jim Kelly really has nothing to write about.
    4. Lacavalier bounce back: he’s no Mario. I don’t see Lightening striking. 
    5. Could Kaberle stay put? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


  76. HabFanSince72 says:

    5. Could Kaberle stay put? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    My thoughts exactly.

  77. nickster13 says:

    With all do respect to Koivu, and his selection markov, Koivu wasnt around with half the new guys we have. He hasnt seen that Gionta has just as much heart as he did, and still managing to be shorter than he was.

  78. Puck Bard says:

    What he said.

  79. Top Corner says:

    YUP!….and although Cammy seems to be the an overall pick w/ some , i agree w/ whoever mentioned that his business is scoring goals and business is GOOD……

    Gionta/Markov….as a 30 yr old HABS FANatic , my choice would be Gionta!! Top forward , vocal , very hockey smart. Not that Markov doesnt have any good qualities….he’s just a very chill , easy going guy out there who quitely controls the game , and i cant see him arguing w/ the refs all night when needed…

    Gio for ‘C’

  80. J Haul says:

    Saku pretty much said the same thing in the aritcle. He wasn’t saying, “OMG it HAS to be Markov!!!!11one”. He basically said that he doesn’t know a many of the guys on the team anymore, but he wouldn’t be against Markov taking the role. The i/o title is slightly (although I’m sure unintentionally) misleading.

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  82. nickster13 says:

    yeah! fight the power! Markov is already gonna be injured half the year, no point in calling him the captain when he will be in the press box for so long, plus more importantly, i dont think he is a good enough role model, he isnt gonna blow anyone away with his communication and work ethic

  83. nickster13 says:

    Gio for C indeed! plus hes got the contract that’ll keep him here for at least another 4 years, and you can tell in interviews that he is a smart guy, most hockey players you can tell didnt make it past high school, but a guy like gio its obvious the guy is a cognitive one. If its anyone else, then Martin better know something i don’t!

  84. Puck Bard says:

    Gotta agree with you both. Gio all the way, for reasons cited. Also, Gionta doesn’t strike me as the type to get distracted by wearing the C. Markov on the other hand?

  85. Curtoph says:

    How could any sane person boo Saku Koivu??

  86. avatar_58 says:

    It’s the bell centre, they boo everything – even their own players. Personally I love me some Saku and would never boo nor say a bad thing about him.

  87. HabFanSince72 says:

    Have you ever been in the Blues at the Bell Ctr? There are some seriously deranged people up there.

  88. Clay4bc says:

    From the Whitehouse article…

    “In the end, Jaroslav Halak’s 2009-2010 performance against Washington
    comes out as the single best playoff series performance by a Montreal
    Canadiens goalie since 1983-1984. It’s a pity that I can’t push this
    back into the Dryden era,”

    Yeah, that’s pretty much how I saw it as well. It’s time to put Jaro behind us (as stupid as the trade was), but let’s not forget what he did for this team and deride him, as many here are doing simple because they hate the posters who defend Halak. Silly, that… But it’s also time for Price to sign the contract.

    People have been toeing the company line lately to the tune of “Theodore didn’t sign until 2 days before training camp, so this is no big deal”…To that I say, who cares what Theo did? The Habs didn’t just trade the better goalie on the team to anoint him with the number one position. This is a completely different situation. Price is making it harder for himself the longer he holds off signing.

    Gio for captain, in my opinion – Markov is just not vocal enough (and I say this with all due respect for Saku’s opinion – and that’s a LOT of respect).

    Tremblay…I don’t care one way or the other, unless he can go back in time and undo the damage he did to this franchise.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  89. RGM says:

    “Price is making it harder for himself the longer he holds off signing.”

    How, exactly? Regardless of when he signs his contract, he’s going to show up at camp ready to fulfill his role as the #1 goaltender. When he puts up his numbers over the course of the year, nobody’s going to be thinking, “Wow imagine how good he would have been if he signed his contract two weeks earlier!”

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  90. 24 Cups says:

    Clayton – I guess the author was making a distinction between a series and an entire playoff run.  Given that, I still have to say that there’s no way in the world Montreal wins a Cup in ’93 without Roy’s heroics in net.  It’s the best goaltending I’ve ever seen since the Bower/Sawchuk Cup win back in the sixties for Toronto.

  91. habstrinifan says:

    Thank you for this post! Your appreciation of Halak’s year long performance is sound and you are not decrying PG for the trade. It’s done…. let’s move on. And your statement is bang on. It is time for Price to sign the contract!

    And any fan who is not concerned that he hasnt yet is whistling dixieThere is a problem! This is no public relations gimmick to make a splash just before training camp or at a golf tournament.

    Yes the problem could very well be only money/terms. But more likely the problem is the mindset and unspoken hesitation of Mr. Price towards the inevitable pressures of being number one. Maybe a classic case of “be careful for what you wish”.

    I have my suspicions re one notable hockey analyst’s contribution to Price’s thinking or fears right now and hence to the delay.

    Price may sign. Based on the CBA and his status , he kinda has to… right?

    But dont be surprised if it is only for 1 yr and that his stay in Montreal ends up being even shorter.

    I am confident about the prospects for the team this coming season. I am not confident that the goalkeeper for most of the season will be PRICE. Not because he isnt be a capable or even great NHL goalie. I am beginning to believe in the theories that Price thinks that he cant be a star (or even competent) NHL goalie in the presure cooker of MTL. And yes management contributed to that pressure but the young man and his backers have too.

    As I posted before, I hope PG is going about this issue with an open and resourceful mind. I hope that he has taken the entire history, performance and psychological makeup of the player into consideration. I hope that he has made realistic observations gained from the discussions he is having with Price(agents) now.

    Look at this from PG’s side, especially in the light of the one unequivocal truth. PG decisively said to Mr. Price.

    ” I have cleared the barn for you and you, Mr Price, are the ONLY stud in there now!”.

    “I traded Halak early to demonstrate my confidence in you and motivate you to off season preparation with zeal.”

    “I didnt sign a French backup thus eliminating, for the next season at least, any pressure from the French press. And there was one available who contacted the team. But to squash all rumours I signed Auld quickly.”

    “I didnt sign anything but a ‘backup goalie’ who could no way be perceived as a threat or even competitor to your status. I did not even negotiate with (name??) from St. Louis who would have been considered thus.”

    “And, Mr Price, I did this with speed and in a brief time span to a barrage of criticism.”

    The above were all deliberate steps taken by Mr.Gauthier for which he has received criticism and second guessing and which has put his reputation on the line.

    All to help establish to Price, and to everyone, that Management thinks HE IS our goalie of the future.

    I hope I am wrong and Price is confident and enthusiastic and ready for the challenge and the holdup is only contract terms. But! I fear it wont end well for the team and the fans and yes for PG… unless PG gas some exigency plans ready… or at least under scrutiny.

    In my opionion PG could not have done any better any more emphatically.

    There is now no thread of debate focussing on a goaltending controversy. Only anxiety as to when this ‘King Arthur’ will step forward and boldly draw his ‘excalibur’ from the stone and lead his team into battle.

    GO HABS GO!  



  92. CP31 says:

    Long time reader, first time poster!! I love the debates and POV that everyone brings, not to mention that HIO is “on top of the ball” when it comes to any and all Habs news. I’m not sure any other team in the NHL has this kind of discussion on “their” websites in the middle of summer!!

    As for captaincy, I’d love to say give it to Markov because he’s a guy that has been here through a lot! But my choice is Captain Cammy (with Gionta a close 2nd). He’s young, vocal, intense, plays every game with heart and determination, says all the right things, can put a team on his back (as evidenced by leading the NHL playoff goal scoring) and more than anything else he helps everyone elevate their game too (hopefully that rubs off on AK this year!)

    PS – I tend to use exclamation points, ver unneccessarily, so please don’t take offense!! LOL!!

  93. CP31 says:

    I should also mention that I’m not bias in any way because this past year I bought a Gionta jersey, so believe me I love the guy!

    Eventhough they both signed 5 year deals, I think Cammy ends up edging out Gionta because he’s Canadian and 3 years younger. But then again what the hell do I know!

  94. SlovakHab says:

    Oh man.. should have read the warning before I watched that video…

  95. Curtoph says:

    But that makes them insane 😛 Koviu is the man, I respectfully have his Jersey… and a new Cammalleri jersey! I was told I would meet Cammy this summer, because someone my mom knows is good friends with Cammy, however it hasn’t happened, so maybe not 😛 but I do respect Koivu so much.

  96. Julie H says:

    We’re not the only fans that boo our players when we’re unhappy. We just happen to be the loudest.

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  97. Clay4bc says:

    Are you really so naive? Seriously? Well then, let me spell it out for you in simple terms. Please try not to be deeply offended as you read this.

    The Montreal Canadiens just traded away the catalyst of their best playoff run since 1993. He was the darling of the fans and media. He was a like-able guy, and a very hard worker. They traded him away (in case you missed it) to keep a guy who is perceived (be it true or not) to be not a hard worker…to keep a guy who is clearly not as good as the guy who was traded….to keep a guy who seems a lot like he just doesn’t care. The fans are not going to give Mr. Price much of a grace period. They will be on his a** the second he lets in a bad goal (and he will – all goalies do). This will make it very hard to play in this city. You have seen it before, and if Price doesn’t work on his image, it will happen again. Signing a reasonable contract soon would go a long way to helping his image. Then he needs to show that he is working hard, and that he cares. Do you really think he will put up the numbers he is capable of with many of the Bell Centre idiots booing him every time he touches the puck?

    But you really didn’t want a rational explanation, did you, RGM? You just wanted to be a smart a**…but to do that, you need to first be smart. You’d better work on that aspect of your game.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  98. Mark C says:

    It’s what I call a “blankie argument,” Price signing now or later as no real tangible bearing on the team, however the sooner he signs the better people will feel about the situation. I understand why people feel this way, they would like everything wrapped up nicely without having to worry. I too, wish Price would sign soon, however I understand there are many reasons, almost all of which we do not know, behind why Price hasn’t signed yet.

    A lot of players set rough terms with their agents, letting the agent do all the work until the team and agent are close. Only then does the player get involved in the negotiation process. I would be willing to bet this is what Price has done. Like you said, as long as this gets done before camp, everything will be fine.  

  99. Clay4bc says:

    With all due respect, Mark…do you really think everything will be fine with the history of Bell Centre fans – most of which were clearly in the Halak corner last season? I think it has the potential to get ugly. Price needs to hire a good PR man here.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  100. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    “Price needs to hire a good PR man here.”

    No, Price needs to work on his game. This is why the timing of the signing doesn’t matter. If he signs on September 30th for too much money and plays great, he will be cheered. If he signs the day after Halak was moved for the league minimum and plays poorly, he will be booed. It’s about results. There won’t be any leeway for poor play based on how early he signs his contract.

  101. TomNickle says:

    Please don’t be offended by this Clay but you’re trying to be objective about a business side of the game yet you ignore the bad when evaluating Halak.  

    For every game 6 and 7 that Jaro had against Washington there was a game 2 and 3 against Washington.

    For every game 4 against Pittsburgh there was a game 1.

    You completely ignore the good things about Price and focus on the bad.  And to compound the filtered analysis you focus only on the good with Halak and analyze none of the bad.

    Did Halak play great at the end of the Washington series?  Hell yes he did.  But did he play equally poorly at the beginning of that series?  Of course.

    Is Price’s winning percentage a result of his play?  I think his mental toughness is the biggest factor due to his statistics showing that when it comes to saving the puck, he and Jaro were very close, scary close almost.  Although I wouldn’t be prepared to attribute a winning percentage to mental toughness single handedly, I would be readily willing to admit that some of those losses were the result of frustration on his part.

    Just as I would be willing to concede that Jaro Halak had some bad losses because he relies too much on protecting the lower half of the net.

    Neither is the next Jacques Plante, Patrick Roy or Terry Sawchuk for all we know.  

    If it’s a better playoff performance you’re looking for, look no further than JS Giguere’s run in Anaheim when they lost to the Devils in the Finals. 


  102. Chuck says:

    Frankly, I could care less about his “image”. That isn’t important to me. Stopping pucks is. When he signs his contract is not important to me. Stopping pucks is. THAT will be his image.

    I’m not sure where you get that Price is the “anti-Halak”: not a hard-worker, not likeable, doesn’t care, and clearly inferior to Halak. Maybe you hang around Habs practice more than me or spend more time around Price in the off months in order to form a first-handed opinion of him.

    But none of that had to do with why Halak was traded, so it makes no sense to use it in an argument about why Halak shouldn’t have been traded. Simply put, under the cap situation the Habs obviously thought that they couldn’t afford his contract. So they moved him, and got 1) cap space, and 2) two good young prospects in return.

    And speaking of catalysts, how far would the Habs have progressed in the playoffs had Cammalleri not led the playoffs in scoring?


  103. Clay4bc says:

    As I alluded to, Rob, it’s not only the contract – there are a lot of factors in play. Don’t underestimate the importance of perception. Reality is both socially and individually constructed…The “truth” is relative to who is percieving it, and even this is relative to the influence of your peers, family, the medis, etc. Habs fans didn’t exactly embrace Price last season, did they? I remember him being booed when losing a game but being the third star. That’s the power of perception, Rob.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  104. Mark C says:

    No, I don’t think it will be fine. I think that Price will likely get booed a lot at the start of the season, regardless of when he signs his contract. In short, when the booing starts, I have a hard time thinking the majority of fans will make a conscious decision to boo or not based on when he signs a contract. I think the majority of fans have made up their minds already. Montreal starts with two road games this year, Price better get off to a good start. 

  105. Chuck says:

    He got off to a great start with the two road games at the start of last season, and all it got him was benched for game three.  :)

  106. Clay4bc says:

    Excellent use of the straw man, Chuck – well done.

    I did not say that “Price is the “anti-Halak”: not a hard-worker, not likeable, doesn’t care,” – in fact, you did. I said that the perception was there, whether it be real or not. Are you denying that this perception (again, be it true or not) exists in many people’s minds?


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  107. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    I do remember him being booed in that 3rd star game. That was because it was the first game in a while where he hadn’t let in a bad goal, and everyone was still fuming. That’s why he needs to focus on his game and not on other things trying to make people happy. If he strings together a few shutouts and starts winning games, do you honestly believe that people will still complain about when he signed his contract? I don’t, not if he’s the reason we’re doing well. We hear a lot of talk about potential and that time is over. Now it is time for the actual. If he plays the way he is expected to play, he will be cheered. If not, he will be booed. Either way, no one will care about when he signed his contract.

    People’s perception of him will be based on his play, just like it always has been. When he first came in and was winning games, he was the future, and was unshakeable and had that cocky attitude everyone loved. When his play slipped, he was petulant and unfocused, and a guy who the other players didn’t like. If he can pick his play back up, all of a sudden, his intangibles will magically re-appear. If he gets a shutout while taking 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, it will be because of his highly competitive nature, not his immaturity and inability to handle the spotlight.

  108. Clay4bc says:

    *sigh*…hi Tony…please try to work on your debating skills this time.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  109. Clay4bc says:

    LOL tom…and you are objective? Please…

    I have seen Patrick Roy pulled from Playoff games…it happens to EVERY gooalie. your arguement is nothing but a red herring fallacy…


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  110. Mark C says:

    The home opener is against Tampa, maybe Auld should get that start. haha

  111. RGM says:

    I have two university degrees and a published book. I’ve got the first part down pat. You definitely have the second. I guess it’s why we supplement each other so well – you complete me.

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  112. TomNickle says:

    I keep it objective, absolutely.

    Way to counter with something substantial Clay.


  113. Chuck says:

    All right then, what IS your perception of him? 

  114. Clay4bc says:

    Thanks for the resume. Was it supposed to impress me? Do you want to have a pissing contest about who has more university degrees? Newsflash – I have more, and all with straight A’s. And I’m sure you care about that as much as I care about yours.

    Instead of trying to intimidate me by your alleged degrees, you should perhaps try to counter my argument. but as I said, this is outside of your purview…you have no intention of reasonable debate, so why don’t you just comment elsewhere?


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  115. aemarchand11 says:

    Your mother is your sister isnt she

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  116. Clay4bc says:

    I think he is an immature kid with a lot of talent, who would have been well served to have spent the last 2 seasons in the minors. My hope is that he is ready for the show now – because it’s time to stop the excuses and perform.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  117. Mark C says:

    Comparing goalies based on winning percentage is pretty useless. Winning percentage has more to do with goal support and number of shots faced, for example, last season Price gave up four or more goals in 15% (6 times, Habs won 1) of his starts, whereas Halak did this during 28% (12 times, Habs won 4) of the time. Believe it or not Price did a better job at keeping Montreal in games, and giving the team a chance to win. Yet, the goalie with the best winning percent by far, did worse at keeping his team in games.

    Overall last season Halak was clearly the best goalie, namely because he was otherworldly in the games “he” won.

  118. TomNickle says:

    Plenty of goalies have had sustained playoff runs without being pulled and putting numbers up that are more impressive than Halak’s numbers were this post-season.

    Curtis Joseph, Patrick Roy, Dominek Hasek, Chris Osgood, Jean Sebastien Giguere(twice), Marty Turco, Mikka Kiprusoff, Nikolai Khabibulin.

    The list goes on and on.  I’m not calling Jaro Halak a flash in the pan or one hit wonder.  I’m saying that those of you who say his playoff performance was the best they’ve ever seen were riding an emotional high and not considering past performances from other goaltenders.

  119. RGM says:

    Alleged degrees – you’re a character, I’ll give you that. I wasn’t trying to intimidate you at all, just make a fun little pun on a Friday morning, and it worked. I demonstrated that I’ve got some intelligent credentials behind me, and you responded pretty much the way I’d expect a donkey too. Bravo. Thank you for proving my point.

    As for your argument…

    You seem to think that Carey’s play this upcoming season will be almost entirely dictated by how the fans treat him. They’ll boo him, the floodgates will open, and we’ll lose on a regular basis. That’s fine, that’s your prerogative. I disagree with you. Carey’s done a lot of growing up in the past few months and I think that when we see him on the ice this fall he’s going to be a different goalie, one that is fully determined to prove that he is a #1 goalie and justify the Canadiens’ decision to make him that. I don’t put as much stock into fan response determining a player’s on-ice performance as you do. This isn’t the WWE – Carey’s not going to Hulk up over a cheer in response to a great save. The great save comes first. And there will be a lot of those this year.

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  120. TomNickle says:

    Thank you Mark.

    I understand what winning percentage is and how to evaluate it.

    It isn’t unfair to say that Price’s lack of composure last season resulted in some losses.

    Performance he put on against San Jose shortly after the trade deadline comes to mind.  He’d played the best in net I’d seen from either goaltender up to that point in the season for 50 minutes.  He let in one bad goal from just inside the blueline after playing lights out.

    The result was a 3-2 regulation loss.  But the more important thing is that in the minutes leading up to that goal he’d begun to show signs of frustration with the team’s inability to clear the zone and generate some offense of their own.  He lost focus and the result was a loss after what would’ve been a tremendous performance against a high powered offense.


  121. G-Man says:

    Hell, I’m still awaiting that lucrative “offer sheet” everyone was saying Price should get because EVERY team wants this jewel of a goalie. 😀

  122. Clay4bc says:

    Aside from the donkey comment, at least you decide to answer with a semi-well constructed argument. A point of view I can at least respect, if not agree with (despite your foolish WWE comparsons). If you had tried this more often, I would not have such disdain for you.

    2 points, though…

    1) you said “I demonstrated that I’ve got some intelligent credentials behind me”… And I didn’t? You present your degrees as evidence that your words should be respected, but summarily dismiss mine (which are real, by the way). How does this make your argument look to an objective observer?

    2) I am not a “donkey”, I am an a** hole. Please be aware of the distinction, and get it right next time.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  123. Mark C says:

    Just re-read my post, it came off a little snarky, sorry about that. Was just trying to highlight how winning % is by no means a good way to measure goalies, which I understood your post was alluding too.

    I believe you are thinking of a different game, don’t believe there was a goal like that during that particular game. However, your point stands, overall Price’s end of game performance this past year was not good enough. Part of that is the teams fault as well, e.g. the game against Buffalo, where the team took two bad penalties in the last two minutes leading to two PP goals. Price needs to show improvements to the metal aspect of the game, which he has acknowledged, and hopefully has improved.   


  124. Clay4bc says:

    That was a great game for Price – up until it wasn’t…

    Still, in that game he showed exactly what he can do, and exactly what he needs to work on.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  125. Clay4bc says:

    Seriously Tom…when I say the Washington series was the best performance by a goalie I have ever seen, I meant just that. I do not need to qualify it by referencing any other series. It is a subjective thing, to be sure, but I am curious why you think you have to convince people not to think what they think. If you think another was the best, then you are welcome to your opinion. Please allow me to mine, without trying to disparage it.



    Carey Price killed my dog.

  126. Mark C says:

    You’re right, I haven’t heard the offer sheet argument in some time by the doomsayers.

  127. TomNickle says:

    Then I can only assume that you didn’t see the performances of those other goaltenders in the playoffs.

  128. Chuck says:

    The HI/O king of the backhanded compliment.

  129. Clay4bc says:

    Thanks, Chuck. It;s great to be king!

    Point stands, though…he did summarily dismiss my degrees, while lauding his.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  130. The Teacher says:

    You’re the one who brought up intelligence level in the first place. What a word twister. Intelligent people see right through it buddy 😉

  131. Clay4bc says:

    Well, that leaves you out then, doesn’t it?


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  132. Malreg says:

    What about having 2 captains? I believe the last time that was done was with Chelios and Carbonneau.  Name Markov AND Cammalleri captain.  Cammy could handle most of the media duties(we all know he gets a kick out of it) and be the vocal leader in the room, and Markov can be the quiet Captain that leads by example and will hold you accountable.

  133. avatar_58 says:

    Cammy can lead by example as well – since he will be the leading goal scorer for years to come. He also holds people accountable – remember the incidents with Gorges and Lapierre? The man doesn’t pull punches.

    That’s why I want him to be captain.

  134. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    How about no captain? Last season was probably the most close knit Habs team in years, with all the leaders in that dressing room, I don’t think any of them need a ‘C’ on their jersey to stand up and say something. The only thing a ‘C’ will do is give the media a whipping boy when things are going bad. I think they did pretty good last year with three alternates!

  135. 24 Cups says:

    I don’t think you can say that 2.2M is a ton of money for a RFA.  There’s no way that Boston cuts Wheeler loose.  He may be a little too big for his boots and a bit of a playoff flop but he’s still only 24.  He’s really not a lot different than Ladd or AK46.  I can’t see the Bruins moving Thomas but they certainly could do something with Ryder or Savard which would allow them to keep Wheeler and sign Seguin. 

    The entire Kovy II fiasco has put a bit of a freeze on player movement but there’s still plenty of time for Boston to sign Wheeler and then work out their cap problems.  There are going to be a lot of discount players available this fall which is why G&G should have waited before signing guys like Darche and Boyd.

  136. Dintrox says:

    From what I understand, the Bruins have 48 hours after the arbitration hearing to sign Wheeler or he goes UFA but the Bruins will have until the start of the regular season to figure out their cap issues.

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  137. Mark C says:

    Sturm and his $3.5M cap number will start the season on the LTIR, giving the B’s even more time to make a decision.

  138. Clay4bc says:

    Steve…by “do something with Ryder” do you mean have him fitted for cement shoes ;), or perhaps buried in the minors? I think he is as untradable as Thomas, really…the only difference is, thomas is still a good goalie (very good numbers last season, despite losing the starting job last season).


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  139. nightmare_49 says:

     Now Now Steve – Our capoligist should know better, the Bruins have 48 hours after the arbritation decision to sign Wheeler or he becomes a UFA, thats not plenty of time.

  140. Clay4bc says:

    I agree Steve…What Roy did was something special. Magical, even…You just knew he wasn’t going to lose, no matter what they threw at him – especially in OT…but let’s not forget Roy had a better team around him as well, especially on defence. He didn’t even come close to the amount of shots Jaro faced.

    Also…I agree the author was definitely only referencing the Caps series with Jaro (it’s even in the quote I used from him). But that series was the best single goaltending performance I have ever seen – and I have been watching this team religiously for 40 years. The best single playoff run all together was definitely Roy.

    BTW…don’t think for a second I am saying Jaro is better than Roy. Roy did it over a career, and Jaro did it for half a season and half a playoffs. I’m just tired of people deriding Jaro because they think “trolls” are out to demean Price. Deriding Jaro does not equal defending Price – and vice-versa.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  141. Chuck says:

    Before you go deriding the defense, you should know that they led the playoffs in blocked shots with 404.

    Philly and Chicago were second and third with 398 and 370 respectively… but they also had another full series to pad that stat, and still couldn’t match what Montreal did. 

    As a matter fact, the next-best shot-blocking performance be a team that didn’t make the finals was San Jose with 227.

    Jaro had a LOT of help.

  142. RiverviewCanadien says:

    But that is the point most level-headed posters are trying to make. Halak had success on his own as well, there are just some people that can’t grasp that. Why is there always an excuse as to why Halak won? Why can’t people admit he won some nights ALL on his OWN

    btw, all your avatars have “Made in BC” tag on them don’t they?

  143. Storm Man says:

    Your love for the H-Word is the best ever performance I have seen on HIO to date. You have got to be joking when you say in 40 years of watching the Habs play that the H-Word had the best single goaltending performance you have ever seen cough cough are you joking? You are acting like some of the deranged fans at the bell centre who sit in the blues. I hope you start taking about the team and not some player who is not here anymore, I know you don’t like Price when you post he killed your dog like it is some funny joke you know your hockey yes? I hope you start to post what you know not what you think.

  144. Chuck says:

    Er, the point of my post was to point out that Halak DIDN’T do it alone.

    He had some great games where he was otherworldly, especially the last three of the Washington series. He was 1st or 2nd in the playoff for all of the major goalie stats. But shot blocking also had a lot to do with it. Let’s not forget that in game 7 against the Capitals that the Habs blocked an astounding 42 shots… the same number that Jaro faced.

    And what’s with the “Made in BC” tag?


  145. Storm Man says:

    Most level-headed posters know you need to score goals to win hockey games. I hope you watched the ECF to see what I mean.

  146. Clay4bc says:

    Ah…Tim pulls out the appeal to ridicule fallacy…well done – it’s the third logical fallacy directed towards me in this thread.

    The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is
    substituted for evidence in an “argument.”

    This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because mocking a
    claim does not show that it is false.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  147. Storm Man says:

    I not going to get into a argument about a player who does not play for the Habs anymore. I just don’t understand why you dislike Price so much with your 40 years of watching the Habs, Hope you can clear things up on why you think Price is no good.

  148. avatar_58 says:

    Why can’t people admit TEAMS win games. Jaro didn’t get the habs to the finals, the TEAM did. Only haters and jealous leaf fans think it was all Halak.

    He was awesome and played his man sack off, but so did Gill, Gorges, Cammalleri, Gionta, etc etc.

  149. RiverviewCanadien says:

    It was a joke at your avatars always taking a stab at Halak and his fans (Halak jumpers this way, Price having his number retired)…since Price is from BC…ah nevermind…

  150. Clay4bc says:

    I’ll clear it up right now, tim, and thanks for asking nicely – that’s all I ask.

    I do not think Price is “no good”. I think he is (as mentioned below) an immature kid with a ton (not a metric one) of talent, who was brought up way too soon by a bone-headed move by Bob gainey (who I have TONS of respect for). This move, coupled with Price’s immaturity, hurt the team more than it helped – but it also hurt Price’s development, especially his psyche. I wish him the best, but I am not certain he is ready to be the number one – which is the only reason that I care that they traded Halak. If I thought Price was ready, then I would applaud the move as necessary…

    And as I have said before, I hope to hell I am wrong, as I am a fan of this team.

    BTW…any relation to a Brian Alexander from Lethbrigde? Common enough name, but you never know…


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  151. Clay4bc says:

    Defence is a team game…they needed to block so many because the team defence was weak overall.


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  152. Clay4bc says:

    “Only haters and jealous leaf fans think it was all Halak.”

    Another presentation of the appeal to ridicule fallacy (see above)


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  153. Chuck says:

    Actually, the current avatar is a poke at BOTH extremes. Though Price is displayed as having his number retired, there’s also a ” – ” on the banner signifying that he’s only the goalie of the future so long as he isn’t traded.

  154. The Teacher says:

    I think he meant all your avatars have something to do with Price. That statement in and of itself is pretty comical, Chuck!


    Any poster who has been on this site longer than 3 months and has paid attention somewhat, knows that this is the furthest thing from the truth.

  155. Chuck says:

    Shot-blocking is part of team defence, so I’d say that they did rather well. The alternative would have been for Halak to face an extra 404 shots.

    Additionally, for the most part blocked shots don’t occur from in close, which means that the defense did a great job on keeping the other teams to taking lots of outside, low-percentage shots that could be blocked… and thus the ones that did get through would have been easier to see and save.

  156. Chuck says:

    True. I’ve only ever had one Halak-related avatar (the last one) and one Price-related avatar (this one).

  157. Storm Man says:

    I think and could be wrong it happens every blue moon :) not one fan of the H-Word would every applaud this trade even if Price won 65 games this year. I’m not sure what kind of year Price will have but it is a good thing that hockey is a team game. I can’t wait to see this team in action this year. I’m not sure if I have any family here in Alberta as I was born in Montreal and lived in Westmount for 24 years my mom and dad still live in Westmount. I will have to text my mother and see if I have family here she is on top of stuff like that.

  158. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I know, I was just playing.
    And I know your avatars are not directed at Price/Halak…

  159. HabFanSince72 says:


    Specifically he said ” I could see Markov as Captain.”


  160. nickster13 says:

    boo hoo, when are you ever gonna give me the benefit of the doubt?

  161. Curtoph says:

    Yep, I went to the one Islanders game in 2008-2009 that they lost in overtime. Was quite the poor showing lol and yes lots of drunks up there!

  162. avatar_58 says:

    Every other hockey team in every hockey league has a captain – why is it so goddamned hard for the habs to just pick on already? Too much is being put on the C. It’s just a letter and a guy who talks to ref. Really.

  163. Clay4bc says:

    You make a convincing argument…you may be on to something here!


    Carey Price killed my dog.

  164. 24 Cups says:

    Bryan – As always, you twist and misconstrue my words and the meaning behind them.  My point was that the Bruins could sign Wheeler for the 2.2M and then have plenty of time to work out their budget before the season starts.  Same goes for teams such as Chicago and Vancouver.

    Don’t bother with an apology at the Summit for all these slights during the past 10 months.  Just open your wallet at Hurley’s bar.  I’ll be drinking Harp lager.

  165. nightmare_49 says:

    Rip Van Kerley – You drink Harp, fits like a glove. My strategy for Friday night at Hurleys is to show up after the 2nd period, you’ll be sound asleep at the Novatel by then, a cheap night for me.

  166. 24 Cups says:

    Clayton – Ryder is a bit like Hamrlik with the Habs.  The only way you are going to dump him is if a team needs to get up to the cap floor.  As for sending him to the minors, it may scare off future UFAs.  Then of course, there is Savard. 

    Savard and Thomas is Boston’s version of Huet and Campbell.  Where the hell is the long term thinking and planning?


  167. Mark C says:

    Let’s not forget that the Jacobs’ family still run the B’s, are they willing to sit on $4M in the minors all year.

  168. says:

    Dime a dozen player, there will be others.

    They Call Me Shane

  169. RGM says:

    Best wishes to him down there. I hope he scores more Capitals-crushing goals for the Bolts.

    Josh Gorges for Captain!

  170. mike g says:

    Are you guys for real, or just joking like I hope?….

    Moore is a 3rd line centerman. Not a 2nd line or 4th line centerman, a 3rd line. We just traded Halak for a top centerman prospect in Lars Eller. He will be our 3rd line center this year.

    Is that too hard to see, I dunno? Not re-signing Moore wasn’t because he was too expensive, it’s cause the Habs decided to give 12 minutes a game to an excellent prospect with top 6 potential, rather than give those minutes to a 30+ year old journeyman for 2 years…

    And then we compain about everything. We complain when we don’t re-sgin these guys, and we complain when our good rookies don’t get a chance…

    Comon guys….


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  171. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    If T-Bay finishes higher than us in the standings next year,  or goes farther in the playoffs,  this place is gonna go nut’s.  lol

  172. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    wow,  Stevie Y is picking us apart.

  173. Kooch7800 says:

    Moore just signed a two year deal with Tampa.  Good for him.  We shouldn’t have let him go

  174. Rudy says:

    I’m disapointed too. I really thought he contributed a lot during the playoffs. Why couldn’t we have signed him for a $1million?

  175. avatar_58 says:

    Oh come on now – name me one good reason Moore couldn’t have been signed for that kind of cash. It’s minimal at best. If he asked for a penny more they could have sent him packing. No risk. Instead they sign Darche, a 4th line AHL’er. That’s HALF of Moore’s new salary. Hell even for 1.5 he’d have been worth it.

    I just don’t agree with this at all. I expected Moore to rake in 2-2.5 mil at least, hence why he was let go. It’s becoming aparent they never even talked to his agent.


  176. joeybarrie says:

    What an EPIC failure the Habs management is to not have resigned Moore. I mean he went for 1.2 million. We could have afforded that.

    Epic failure trading Halak for a possible 1st or 2nd line player.

    Epic Failure not getting rid of the Gomez contract.

    Epic failure not picking up Kovalchuk

    Epic failure not keeping boucher


    Funny its the same guys saying we gave up too much for him and he was a BUM when he played for us, Now all of a sudden he is useful and we should have resigned him.

    Honestly sometimes all I see here is a bunch of idiots. Spewing the same old stupidity over and over. Players move around. Its how it goes. But man oh man is Yzerman a GENIUS for picking up Moore. And St Louis is going to be AWESOME with the best goalie in the league this season. How GREAT Boston was with Ryder, all I heard about that was how dumb we were to let him go. Now he is a 4 million dollar a year 18 goal scorer. Who doesnt have more assists.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  177. kempie says:

    I’m very curious to know the $$ value here. 

  178. Rudy says:

    Ok, when you use logic like that…………makes sense

  179. kempie says:

    Like it or not, the guy is not a lot of fun to play against. I predict he’ll give us at least one ugly night.

  180. TripleX says:

    Two year deal for 1 and 1.2 million. I was sure the reason PG did not resign Moore was because he was asking too much, in the order of 2 million plus.  It is very obvious that PG had not intention of signing him and like with Halak did not even ask what he wanted.  

    Why PG would not want to sign a  player for that little money is beyond me.  The same player he gave up a 2nd round draft choice for.  WTF?


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  181. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    probably because we have prospects ready to make the jump who can easily take Moore’s place for much cheaper.

  182. Xtrahabsfan says:

    You must mean when,lol


  183. TripleX says:

    Only on HIO will you find people who are bigger fans of the management than of the team.  xD


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  184. TommyB says:

    Either way, it’s a short trip.

  185. Exit716 says:

    I heard that Geoff Molson just forfeited the entire season because of the awesomeness of Steve Yzerman.

    “We can’t compete, so why bother?”

    Molson is also rumoured to be offering 8000 free tickets each game to prop up attendance.


  186. ed lopaz says:

    on the surface – information that we have – makes no sense at all.

    moore turned out to be a terrific addition, well worth keeping.



    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  187. TripleX says:

    It is called being prepared and having contingency plans in case things don’t go as planned.  You are expecting Eller to come out of training camp straight into a third line center role.  Maybe it will work out.  But maybe it won’t.  A smart GM has a fall back position to cover his a s s if the rookie falters.

    Gainey and now PG have the same attitude.  Putt all your eggs in one basket and if it fails pull the chute.  We have an unproven starting goalie with a mediocre backup and now an unproven third line center with no backup.  Confidence?  Or bad management.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  188. mike g says:

    3rd line center….

    Lars Eller: league minimum salary, 21 year old, 6 foot 1, 200 lbs., 13th overall pick, 2010 AHL all-rookie team, very solid prospect who might just turn out to be a very good player…


    Dominc Moore: 1.1 million salary, 29 years old, career journeyman, 2 year contract, absolutely no offensive upside

    You guys, as honest fans hoping for the best Habs team possible, vote for which one you’d rather have. After Lars Eller is the clear cut, landslide winner of this vote you will understand why we didn’t re-sign Moore.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  189. TripleX says:

    Hope you are enjoying the vacation Ed.  We leave for the cottage on Tuesday….wooohooo.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  190. ed lopaz says:

    if he’s “dime a dozen” why did we give up a 2nd round pick for him??????

    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  191. mike g says:

    I’m not really sure if you’re aware of this, but…

    Maxim Lapierre is a centerman who will be playing wing on the 3rd line with Eller. If Eller fails, Lapierre will takeover center, his natural position, just like the past 3 years.

    Open your eyes, guys. PG planned it out….


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  192. matmacat says:

    It’s a gamble I would be willing to make. Who’s our other bottom 6 center? Lapierre? Am I forgetting someone?


    edit: ah yes! got it! I DID forget someone.

  193. ed lopaz says:

    Eller has played 7 NHL games – he has not even made our team yet.

    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  194. GrimJim says:

    Funny but I thought Lapierre could play centre, Wouldn’t that be the back-up plan?

  195. habs03 says:

    Eller’s cap hit is about 1.25 I think. But its better to go bigger and younger.

    our Bottom 6 should be

    Max Pac (If ready- Eller- Lapierre

    Moen- Boyd-White/Pyatt/Darche


  196. punkster says:

    Eller but only because the Cap hit is much lower. Potential means nothing unless it’s a top 3 draft pick these days and even then nothing is guaranteed. It’s all about the Cap now. Yes, we all know what Moore brought and I’m sorry to see him go as I was sorry to see Halak go. It’s business.



  197. TripleX says:

    When was the last time Laps played center in the NHL?  Has he ever?

    PG has nothing planned out unless there are more moves to come before opening game.

    ps if Laps is so great as a third line center why did PG give up a 2nd round pick for that “bum” Moore?

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  198. punkster says:

    1.27 actually but salary of .875 this year and .788 next year, with the remaining to Cap made up of bonus. So my comment above may be a bit screwed up depending on exactly what those bonus targets are.


  199. Mattyleg says:

    As much as I loved Moore, he is no spring chicken anymore, and we have a bunch of good young grinders coming up through the system.

    Everyone who is squawking and moaning, take a pill.

    If we signed him, you’d all be boo-hoo-ing about the fact that we don’t give chances to young players. Look at the dirges and epic torch-songs over Brock Trotter leaving.

    Waah waah waah.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  200. Storm Man says:

    He is listed at 198 lets get a little real here. Im still waiting to see what you have proven on here. How’s your other account semi doing today?

  201. Mattyleg says:

    I agree completely!

    Never sign unproven players!

    Send them away to prove themselves elsewhere, then buy them for big big money.

    Then we can lose the red from our jerseys and stick a leaf on the front.

    Moan moan.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  202. ed lopaz says:

    yes thanks. always try to enjoy the summer here in MTL.

    it usually lasts about 4 weeks!

    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government.
    I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  203. mike g says:

    Eller is 198 lbs.., I’m so sorry for the 2 pund mistake….

    He’s 21, still getting stronger and tougher, and believe me he will make the team next year.

    And believe me, he will be a top 6 forward in 3 years. I have 3 friends who have been Blues fans for over a decade. They followed him in Peroia and his 7 games in STL. They were all happy to get Halak, but didn’t like the fact that they lost Eller…

    From what they’ve told me, he has a huge upside. And most importantly, he’s adapted and responded well to the North American style of hockey. That’s really important.

    I’ll take Eller’s devellopment over 2 years of Moore’s regularity anyday. That’s how you build a team. If Eller doesn’t work out, it’s not like Moore was gonna save us anyways.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  204. GrimJim says:

    Because at the time, with the injury to Metropolit, we needed him. Now with Lapierre Eller Boyd and Pyatt we don’t.

  205. mike g says:

    75% of Laps playing career has been at center…

    Not sure which Habs games you watch. That’s why we went to get Moore last year, cuz Laps’ faceoff stats weren’t good at all…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  206. ooder says:

    absoletly no offensive upside is a tad of a stretch imo..

    but i do agree that i prefer eller over moore


    88 is the new 23

  207. Danno says:

    Put him on a steady diet of pepsi and poutine and he will be way over 200 lbs by the first game.

    He’s 198 right now.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  208. mike g says:

    Zero offensive upside for Moore isn’t a stretch…

    I never said he’s useless offensively. He’s a 30-40 point player maximum. By upside I mean potential, and Eller has the potential to become a 60-70 pts player, if not more if he develops into a very good player.

    Moore has no offensive upside, Eller does. Moore will never be a solid 2nd or 1st line centerman, Eller can become one..


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  209. ooder says:

    ok first of all i think DM had to settle.. because he couldn’t find a bigger deal anywhere.

    also to play in montreal he would need more money and a bigger cap hit in order to offset the taxes.

    was he a good player.. ya sure i liked him

    unfortunately this isn’t fanatasy gm world and we can’t sign any player we please.

    also if we keep signing veterans when do the young kids get a shot?


    88 is the new 23

  210. ooder says:

    oh ok.. sorry if i misunderstood your post.

    i read upside as in he was offensivlety challenged as Hall Gill.

    in terms of potential ya.. moore probably reached his


    88 is the new 23

  211. Storm Man says:

    OMG let’s just call this season off we don’t have Moore anymore. This year’s team of the Habs are going no place without the mighty Moore oh no My Habs just suck who is this Cammy guy who had 13 goals in the playoff guess he is nothing as is the rest of the team now without the God of thunder the might Moore. Tampa is going to win the cup let’s all go to Vegas and sell our homes ect and bet on Tampa as the sky is falling on the Habs. I for one don’t care what teams look like on paper the game is played on the ice. Get a grip some of you let’s see where this team is at come April before you jump ship.

  212. Mark C says:

    First, Tampa Bay’s fascination with all things Montreal has now gotten creepy. PG better hurry up and see if the Hammer can make his triumphant return down here.  

    Good on Moore getting a two year deal. He was all that and more (haha) for us down the stretch and in the playoffs.  While, Moore is a better player than some of the players on the Habs roster (Darche and Boyd to name two) he was no longer a good fit. Pleks, Gomez, and Eller will be the top three centers. Moore is not really a 4th line center, and frankly why would he want to return to Montreal to be the 4th center on the depth chart?

    And please, I cannot believe some posters are under the impression this trade turned out to be a bad deal because Moore was not re-signed. Montreal got 40 high level hockey games out of the trade. One can make a Brinks truck argument that without the Moore trade, Montreal does not make the playoffs, does not win game 7 against the Caps, and does not come within 3 wins of the Cup Finals. I’ll trade a 2011 2nd round pick for that any day.  

  213. Storm Man says:

    198 on the Habs website try going there sometime as you will learn alot about the team you hate.

  214. mike g says:


    good one about the Gill comparison…

    I don’t think Hall Gill is offensively challenged though, I think he just likes to share and let everyone else get points. Since he seems like a nice guy, it makes sense, no?..



    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  215. mike g says:

    No, let’s believe you..

    Let’s believe the fan who would rather sign a 29 year old journeyman instead of giving those minutes to a 21 year old 14th overall pick.

    I guess it makes too much sense, right? Then in 2 years we can complain that Moore did nothing for us, and that our prospects suck and our farm system is dry, and we don’t develop players well.

    Oh man, no matter what the Habs do or don’t do, it’s still wrong. That’s the #1 reason why I’ll never understand some Habs fans..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  216. Mattyleg says:


    You didn’t even read what I wrote.

    I didn’t say that Moore was ‘over the hill’, just that grinders tend to age pretty quick and lose their edge.

    And no, I’m sure that if you look closely, you’ll find that Eller is not a grinder.

    There are young grinders coming up through the system. That’s what I said.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  217. mike g says:

    Nice post…

    But I still think that even though 100% of us want Hamrlik off the books, if he gets traded to Tampa, some Habs fans will still complain and say it was a bad move.

    It’s MTL, what can you do..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  218. Storm Man says:

    ROFLMAO….. That post just shows you have no clue about the Habs…. When was the last time Lappy played centre are you kidding me. Do us all a favor and run along to what ever sandbox you came from. 

  219. RC-51 says:

    Tampa Bay will be his 8th NHL team!! Get over it people he is average player at best! Sure he played well for us going into the playoffs but the league is full of average Joes. No big loss very easy to replace!  

  220. Mark C says:

    Thanks. It would be something, not high enough return, the piece that push T-Bay over the top and moves Montreal out of the playoffs, it’s always something.

  221. TripleX says:

    Sorry.  Since you are so smart when was the last time Laps played center?  Was it last season or was it way back in  the 2008-2009 season?

    Should be no problem for such an EXPERT on all things Habs to answer.

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  222. ooder says:

    haha fair enough…he probably didn’t want to break any of gretzky’s records so he just stays back in his own zone


    88 is the new 23

  223. kempie says:

    Yep, I agree. Eller better be all that and a bag of chips or God help him.

  224. Storm Man says:

    Was last season he also played some RW. Im glad to help you out.


    The EXPERT.

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  228. Bugs says:

    I saw that movie.

    Believe it or not, the giraffe wins. Strangled the shark with its neck.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory:

  229. Mattyleg says:


    When I worked at a video store, a short man with a moustache and a leather jacket came in, looked around, then came up to me at the counter and said:

    “You got any of them films of animals fighting?”


    “You know, like a shark and a giraffe…”

    I managed to keep a straight face and said no.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  230. pic1983 says:

    1 – We probably should.  Neither Buffalo nor Ottawa have really done anything tremendous to improve their teams.

    2 – If hes still here as a consultant he will get one anyways, but that aside, if he was actually departed from the team completely and we won next year, than yes.  Anything more than one season is too far removed for him to earn a ring.

    3 – No, whats so special about aaron asham? Hes decent, but i wouldnt say hes someone any team should be chasing after or desire to have. 

    4 – Keep him on the third.  He should only be promoted because his play is outstanding, and not because the other two are playing poorly and he just happens to be playing better at the time.  This defies normal logic, but considering our track record with developing talent, maybe we need to slow down a little bit.

    5 – Under, but even 40 points would be unreal, and I definitely think its within the realm of possibility.

  231. TommyB says:

    Speaking only about your first question…..with Ottawa, you never know what you are going to get, so I think the Habs have a good chance to be above them.  Buffalo, on the other hand, has been treading water for a couple of seasons now and this could be the year they drift out to sea.  I am confident that Montreal can finish ahead of them.  Other than Miller in goal, they don’t have many stars.  It also seems not many players are keen on signing with Buffalo.  Ever been to Buffalo?  Who would want to live there by choice?  This summer the Sabres tried to sign Saku Koivu and Matt Cullen.  Both declined the offers and signed for less money elsewhere.  Koivu staying where he was, and Cullen, I’m not sure where (Carolina?).  So I see Buffalo as a team heading south in the standings.  I might say Ruff is on borrowed time, but it appears that the owner (who is not a hockey man) is content with the amount of money the Sabres are making for him.  So Lindy and his crew may survive.

  232. mike g says:

    5 Halak/Price free questions since everyone’s bored…..

    1- Will we finish higher than Ottawa and/or Buffalo this year?

    2- If the Habs win the Cup in the next 5-6 years, should Bob Gainey get a ring for building the roster?

    3- Would you like it if PG braught back UFA Aaron Asham?

    4- If Eller has a good 1st 15-20 games and Pouliot or AK are struggling, should JM put Eller on the 2nd line or keep him on the 3rd so he can learn slowly?

    5- Will PK get over or under 45 points?


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  233. Aerobiz says:

    Asham used to come into the video store that worked at when he played for Montreal. he rented a lot of video games so I asked him:

    “You play a lot of video games so you must play NHL right?”

    Asham: “Yeah.”

    Me: “Okay, I’ve gotta ask you. When you play do you put yourself on the first line?”

    Asham’s friend: “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!” (while grabbing his stomach)

    Asham: (somewhat less amused than his friend) “When are these due back.”

    True Story!!


    “The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.”- Randy Pausch

  234. GrimJim says:

    1) Higher than Ottawa not Buffalo (but I’m hoping both)

    2) If next year yes, if year 5 or 6 no (Of course if he is still the consultant, he will anyway.)

    3) Yes. He would be an upgrade over Darche (but I would also like to leave room for the kids to come up if they show game, so if it means White, Pyatt etc go down then no) 

    4) keep him at centre

    5) Under (but I’m hoping over)

  235. pic1983 says:

    Pittsburgh and Chicago have both won cups recently, and both had the same core for a few seasons.  In my opinion, its not just the core that wins the championship, the support players are almost equally important.

  236. Ian Cobb says:

    JIM, got your money order today from Alberta.

  237. mike g says:

    What if Gainey retires and we win the Cup in 4 years?…

    Cammy, Gio, Gomez, Pleks, PK, Markov, Georges, and Price will most likely all be a part of that team.

    Those are the core players, all of which were drafted or acquired by Gainey. So if we win and they’re all a part of it, and Gainey’s gone, I’d give him one for building the core..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  238. GrimJim says:

    Great to hear. Thanks, Ian. 

    Are Shane and Steve still arguing over who’s MO will arrive first? :-)

  239. avatar_58 says:

    This has nothing to do with Stevie Y – I couldn’t care less about that guy. Moore was an excellent player and the ONLY excuse to letting him walk could have been salary…..which has been proven false.

  240. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t know what you are smokin, but Moore proved he was a good trade. Personally I’m really sad to see him go. He arrived and we thought “wtf MOORE?” but when the season ended I’m pretty sure no one questioned the move anymore. He was a big part of why the team did well, he really made the third line click.

    I hope someone else steps up to fill in the blank.

  241. mike g says:

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good player….

    When he was here, I liked how he played. But is he the best 3rd line center in the league? Nope.

    Can you get better players than him, sure you can. All I’m trying to say is that Tampa could sign a guy for 1 mill$ like Moore who’s played for like 20 NHL teams in 5 years, and everyone will think it’s an excellent deal just because Yzerman did it.

    I liked him most because he seemed like a good person and human. He wasn’t an excellent hockey player, but a decent NHL’er. You can find these guys everywhere, they fill holes and that’s why he’s a journeyman.

    But this love for Stevie Y has to stop.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  242. avatar_58 says:


    Ok now I’m angry, that was entirely possible to resign.

  243. avatar_58 says:

    Especially if you consider they didn’t need to sign Darche and his $.5

  244. HabFanSince72 says:

    Holy Moly!

    We could have afforded that.

    Moore was a useful player and he made a great 3rd line with Lapy and Moen. Also he played some PK minutes which meant Pleks and Gomie played fewer.


  245. Ian Cobb says:

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    This low ticket price will only last a short time so act now. Last year we paid $90 for this $75 ticket and the $160 ticket is a lot more.

    Shake a leg if you don’t want to miss out.

  246. Mattyleg says:

    Still daydreaming about that Chris Nilan interview…

    Here’s a couple for everyone:

    1. Who is going to finish with the most PIMs this year?

    2. Who is going to have the most fighting majors?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  247. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, but when they play and work for us, they’re bums.

    When another team signs them, we’re idiots for letting them go.


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  248. Habsforlife 1959 says:

    A very smart GM. Dominic Moore comes to play evey night. Great move by Tampa’s organization. There is a pattern building up by taking ex Habs players for sure and coaching staff too.

  249. Mattyleg says:

    Poor Moore… I’m sure he was more than happy to get the hell out of Florida.

    Now he can look forward to playing in front of 9,000 fans per game again.

    And a sellout whenever the Habs are in town.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  250. greggiemchabfan says:

    $1 million in year 1 and $1.2 million in year 2 as per Sportsnet.

  251. Les Habitants says:

    More ex-Habs to TB (no pun intended)

    Dominic Moore signs with the Lightning


    The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!

  252. mike g says:

    You know whats really funny about that?….

    Just because Stevie Y signed him and everyone seems to be stiffing over every single move he makes, not even one person will criticize this signing. Everyone will say it’s a great move, way to go Tampa, Yzerman’s the best GM in the league already, etc….

    But meanwhile when PG traded for him, OMG……..what the heck was PG smoking?!! Dominic Moore??!!!! You gotta be kidding me!!!!!

    Moore just became an All-Star thanks to Stevie Y. If Moore would have gone to Columbus, nobody would have said it was a great move.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  253. nightmare_49 says:

       NHLPA hangs out its laundry

       from Sean McIndoe / at the National Post / (aka Down Goes Brown)

       No matter how many times it happens, it still really bothers  Mike Richards first thing every morning when he plods down the  stairs in his bathrobe, takes a sip of coffee, and then throws open  his kitchen curtains to find Pierre McGuire smiling creepily into  his window.

    Read more:

  254. Rudy says:

    Great chuckle on a slow Friday afternoon, thanks nightmare

  255. nightmare_49 says:

       One Way to Solve the Bruins Cap Issues

       from Ryan Dixon of The Hockey News,

  256. 24 Cups says:

    If I’m Seguin I would tell the Bruins to stick it.  Why should he give up a potential 3M in lifetime earnings just becasue they can’t  count to 59?

  257. mbplekfan says:

    I certainly hope that by xmas Eller will be a contributing member of the third line or even a replacement for a faltering AK or Pouliot. I also hope that Schultz is banging heads and making a name for himself in Hamilton.

    That way we can get past this Halak for nothing meme that has caught on around here.

    We had 2 potential starters and one had to go. We got 1 TOP prospect in Eller and a good prospect in Schultz. We also got cap space to sign Pleks.

    Eller is considered a future 80 point player. IF he achieves that within 2 years then a Halak for Eller straight up would have been acceptable. But we got more.

    We have in our lineup this year Eller and Pleks thanks to the Halak deal, with Schultz working his way up. Schultz is not projected to score goals or skate fast or make dazzling plays. He is here to knock heads and play a physical, grinding game. IF he succeeds in Hamilton his stats will look mediocre but his presence will be felt more on the ice than on the scoresheet.

    How in the world can anyone not be excited by adding 2 players to a lineup that was thin and small???

  258. G-Man says:

    Easy. While Halak has been doing things in the NHL for 3 seasons, Eller has played 7 games in the NHL. Shultz- none.

    After 17 seasons of hardly any playoffs success, I’m tired of hearing the word “potential.” I want the Habs to have players, not potential. Let all those not ready to help the NHL Habs prepare in Hamilton. We shouldn’t hear about these guys so much until they are ready to make the jump. Until then, they are nothing but “potential.”

    Subban has been the exception to a generally average or worse drafting team that relied on signing Gio, Cammy, Spacek, Moen, Metropolit and Gill to make up for their blunders.

  259. mbplekfan says:

    A roster player in the deal would’ve cost the cap space to sign Halak.

    The other factor is that this team is not going to win the cup this year. It is being built to win the year after and henceforth.

    PK matures into a top flight player, Markov not being hurt, and finding some size and toughness to move to another level takes time.

    Next year is a make the playoffs and see what happens year. After that we try to win.

  260. Mattyleg says:

    G, we have players. Loads of them. I don’t need to insult us both by listing them here. We also need ‘potential’ so that we can continue to do as well as we have been.

    And show me ONE team in the NHL that is constructed purely from players they drafted. Please.

    And as for ‘average or worse’ drafting team, who drafted Halak? Florida? Who drafted Price? Edmonton? Who drafted Plekanec? Columbus? Etc…

    Come on, if you’re going to fill this page with doom and gloom, at least have actual arguments to back it up.


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  261. JIMVINNY says:

    It’s possible that the organization did not want to make the same mistake they did with Theo.  Before Gainey signed Theo to that big contract extension, Mr. Melanson told Gainey that Theo would never again be as good as he had been.  It’s possible that the same thing happened with Halak, and Gauthier wasn’t willing to take a chance that that situation would be repeated.


    As for your statement about average or worse drafting, FYI, no other team in the league has more of their draft picks playing in the NHL than do the Habs.  They may not be with this team, but they are in the NHL.  Drafting is not the problem.  It’s the development part where the habs are lacking. 

  262. JIMVINNY says:

    Anyone have any idea what’s up with that silly 2.999995 million contract that white signed?  My opinion is that Sutter wouldn’t pay 3 million, and White wouldn’t take less, so they settled on that number and Sutter feels like he won himself a great victory.

  263. pic1983 says:

    White: I want 3.5 million

    Sutter: NO

    White: 3.2 million?

    Sutter: No

    White: $3 million?

    Sutter: No

    White: $2,999,995?

    Sutter: Ok! see I told you I wouldnt give you $3 million!

  264. avatar_58 says:

    I’m more confused by the fact that White isn’t 40+. Sorry but with the porn stache and facial hair he looks OLD. I was surprised when I found out he wasn’t, I don’t follow the leafs players.

  265. habs001 says:

    why will opposition forwards roam around our zone less easily than last year? most of the time they had no fear of going into the corners , rushing the net and pinning us in our zone. the shot blocking by the d was great in the playoffs but if that continues in the regular season be ready for injuries…because of the type of d we have our goaltenders will face a lot of shots, there will be lots of odd bounces and strange goals. our d also makes too many bad pinching mistakes in the attacking zone….. we also have to be concerned about our pp point play…with pk and markov we have two solid pp point man but markov may miss the first 10-15 games and after these two we have question marks for the pp point… 

  266. Mattyleg says:

    We’ve already dealt with our pinching mistakes.

    We let go MAB.

    (as much as I had a soft spot for him)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  267. habs001 says:

    thats true….mab and the year before schneider were brought in because after markov we had real pp problems because we had no one to play the pp point …the habs have to be a top 10 pp team to have a solid year.

  268. avatar_58 says:

    Don’t worry, we have a permanent d-man this time and no need for a schnieder or MAB -> SUBBAN!

  269. Habsforlife 1959 says:

    DOMINIC Moore has signed a two year deal with Tampa Bay according to TSN.

  270. pic1983 says:

    What next? glen metropolit? Does yzerman want carey price too? Is yzerman upset that we didnt hire him as a GM or something? I dont get it…First it was our hamilton coaching staff, than it was francophones, now its former montreal players…did yzerman miss the memo that hes the GM of Tampa Bay and not the habs or something?

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