TGIF

Red Fisher won’t be in Calgary on Feb. 20

Louis Leblanc at junior camp on The Rock

Mark MacMillan traded to Penticton (Thanks, Mark C)

• Yvon Pedneault on Sean Couturier, the next great francophone junior

Down Goes Brown’s off-season winners and losers (Habs mak neither list)

• Tony Marinaro takes time out from coaching the Canadiens and the Italian national soccer team to work as a travel agent on Twitter: Great
NHL package. Habs@Lightning & Caps@Lightning. March 4th-8th, $2399+
includes: game tix, airfare, hotel, meals. Dino (514) 933-1346

Hey, maybe this kid will be good: a Danny Kristo compilation (thanks W35T5ID3) 

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Scott Burnside on the Southeast Division

Mike Modano‘s bonuses, per CapGeek on Twitter: $150k for 40 GP, $100k for 55 GP, plus $125k each for Round 1 and 2 playoff wins. Jim Kelley’s take on Modano

Bob Murray rebuilds the Ducks’ D

• James Mirtle on the Clarke MacArthur arbitration

• Analysis of the Tim Kennedy buyout

• Stan Fischler – remember him? – likes Jeff Vinik (thanks, nightmare_49, for the link)

Optimism in Atlanta

• FHF has a link to Ovie’s new squeeze

490 Comments

  1. Chorske says:

    I

    LOVE

    this

    thread

     

  2. nightmare_49 says:

    Steve – Caught your Duff*** slight yesterday, funny you always bring up laff names (Sundin,Kaberle etc.) from your closet, makes one wonder. …………   Move Spacek to the left side to play with PK, guess we will be hearing that 100 times before the puck is dropped for our first exibition game, why not use it as your signature.

  3. Mattyleg says:

    I spent July on Long Island, and watched baseball every night.

    I talked about the ‘Spos to people, and they all knew and remembered our team well.

    *sigh*

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  4. Ian Cobb says:

    Not yet! 

  5. The Teacher says:

    hey Ian, did you get my money order? am I good?

  6. SeriousFan09 says:

    Half the offensive Ds in the NHL if not more have a pretty exaggerated position for their 1-timer, but P.K.’s great strength is his wrist shot, very accurate and a smooth release.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  7. Bugs says:

    I think we can all agree that saying “Bobby Orr” makes an extreme statement. But consider that when we do (cuz I can’t help alluding to it either), no one gets up in arms about it. No one shoots us down by yelling “sacrilege!” or “blasphemy!” and I think THAT says something about PK too, no?

    You don’t see some Bobby Orrishness in the guy, Gee?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  8. G-Man says:

    Only way the Habs “crush” Tampa this season is if they bring a lot of soda with them.

  9. G-Man says:

    PK has an exxagerated back swing on his slapper. Unless the goalie does not see the puck coming or if it’s deflected, I don’t see him scoring the 50pts + every1 is projecting for him.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think he will do well in the NHL, but he isn’t Bobby Orr, so exxagerating how good he MAY be should be left to his agent.

  10. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’m not factoring Auld in much right now because he’s a 20-game goalie who isn’t going to be the reason the Habs miss or make the playoffs. Most teams work on a primary goaltender and that goaltender winning the plurality of those games to make the playoffs. Auld was not replacing Halak who had taken over by the end as the No. 1 goalie, Price is taking over that position as a full-time starter with Auld as his backup. The goaltending tandem isn’t what it was last year but it wasn’t going to last either and everyone saw it coming. Jonathan Bernier and Jonathan Quick won’t be sharing the net in 3 years in L.A. either. Team decided to take the younger, cheaper goalie who has excellent upside to be their man going forward. No team stays strong on goaltending depth for long in the cap era and that’s how it is.

    I’m not spinning anything, I’m stating what I always have stated, I think Price has the ability to be a No. 1 goaltender and his success in the past including NHL-level success is too much for me to ignore and say he’s a bust and Halak will always be better than him. The ability of the forwards and defence to play, move the puck and score is a much bigger issue for MTL because if that doesn’t work than the team won’t make the playoffs.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  11. G-Man says:

    Please, Steve, don’t use the word “thoroughbred.” The person in question will suddenly start playing like a donkey…

  12. andrewberkshire says:

    Conklin played less than 30, and Niemi tied Price while facing far fewer shots. That brings Price up 2 spots to 19. Not a huge difference, but still a difference. Have a good sleep.

  13. Clay4bc says:

    Jesus…and I’m not sure what you don’t understand about my rebuttal.

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  14. Clay4bc says:

    Ummm. I called Auld “marginal”, not your precious Price.

    Is Auld not marginal? Did I somehow miss out on his “upside”. Has he been hiding his enormous talent all this time, just waiting to show ther Habs how good he really is?

    FFS SF, that’s just a load of crap. Don’t try to spin Auld as the next Roy now. I’m done with this shit. You have clearly lost it, and I find no more use in talking with you.

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    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

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  15. Clay4bc says:

    You are correct about politice, Andrew – I know we agree there…

    As for your 19th overall numbers, please look here. Price is at 21st, and all but one goalie above him on that list played well over 30 games.

    Of course, you will argue whatever I say, so  I will say this. Go enjoy your weekend. I will do the same, after I sleep now.

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    — George Orwell —

  16. andrewberkshire says:

    No worries. I’m not sure what Clay doesn’t understand about your post, it’s a hypothetical based on whether Auld and Price would have played together last year. Very simple to understand.

  17. aemarchand11 says:

    I appreciate the attempted clarification. I’ve decided to just drop it because I didnt really expect to have to respond a dozen times for throwing out a number on what I think will be a good season for the Habbies.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  18. ed lopaz says:

    no doubt he’s ready.

    I agree.

    also, habs should be setting plays for PK to launch his one-timer on the PP.

    we didn’t see that in the playoffs last year.

    also, JM is going to have to forgive some of PK’s mistakes.

    there is a risk / return thing with PK and he’s at his best when he’s given the freedom to play.

  19. aemarchand11 says:

    I for one am tired of the Halak Price debate, fatigue is a part of it.

    Or am I not permitted to be tired of it, we were having a debate in another thread, did you really expect me to respond to your last comment? After all, I love..Everyone loves responding to condescending comments from people.

    Did I trade Halak??? Do I look like Mr Burns and eat eggplant instead of prime rib??? Nope

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  20. andrewberkshire says:

    Maybe try reading the comment before spewing bile. First off, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, only showing that you misunderstood what was being discussed. Secondly, Price was 19th in save% among goalies who played 30+ games. Third, it’s the posters opinion, so it’s not debating fact.

    If you want to squabble with me, send me an email instead, that way the immaturity is left off of HIO. I like your quote from Orwell btw. Too bad we didn’t meet on a political blog, we probably would have gotten along well.

  21. Clay4bc says:

    *sigh*

    OK…as kindly as possible.

    PLEASE look at the stats I provided. In my analysis of said stats, your numbers don’t add up. It’s just a fact, no matter how much it pains us all.

    Numbers are numbers – they do not lie. I have even provided the relevant numbers for you, so you have no need to look for them. Was this targeting you? Sorry if you think so. Please accept my apology, and enjoy your day.

    Again, please consider looking at the numbers.

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    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

    — George Orwell —

  22. SeriousFan09 says:

    Metropolit featured on the PP so often because we were constantly missing Top 6 forwards to injury. When a 4th-liner is 6th among forwards for PP time I’d say it has something to do with the fact that the guys who should be there are not because they’re on IR. Metropolit had a great season, but to think he’d easily repeat that as well is not something I’d count on, all respect to the guy but he had an over-achieving season for a journeyman. Eller is younger, faster, stronger, bigger and he had an excellent campaign that made him All-Rookie in the AHL playing for the first time on NA ice.

    Price was often left hung out to dry this season with some of the weakest offensive support in the league on a team that was 30th in Goals at ES. An extra 6 goals scored in November when Price was stealing points left and right would have had the team in the post-season without needing that OT point from TOR because Halak crapped the bed in the last week of the season and nearly threw us out of the playoffs. He isn’t marginal, I’d say your support for him as a member of the Canadiens is marginal.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  23. HabFanSince72 says:

    So what, so he gets us the cup one year and you let him walk away like Chicago did to Niemi?

     

    OK, you’re officially out to lunch now.

     

  24. Clay4bc says:

    …said the guy who replied with “yawn”.

    Wow, can’t believe you even wrote anything about “maturity” here.

    Again…can I have some of what you are smoking? Must be good stuff.

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    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

    — George Orwell —

  25. aemarchand11 says:

    Since you did in fact take what I said the wrong way, let me explain it in great detail so you understand.

    IF, Price and Auld were a tandem and played like they did last season they would be somewhere around 22nd in the league.

    THIS SEASON, I believe they will rank 10th in the league.

    You should maybe focus on friendly debate and not trying to target people. It seems as though you need to ensure that your oppinion is the only correct one and everyone else is either ignorant or wrong.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  26. andrewberkshire says:

    Thanks for the advice, Mr. Rourke. You can step back into your tanning booth now.

  27. aemarchand11 says:

    Maturity -1

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  28. Clay4bc says:

    Andrew…1) you clearly have no business posting to me, after telling me blatantly not to post to you. I have complied. you have not.

    2) If Price was 21st in the league last season, and Auld was 45th or so, how does that add up to what he wrote? Let me answer that for you – it doesn’t.

    3) I put up the relevant stats in a reply below to SF. Please read them – they show clearly who is correct in this discussion (hint – it’s not you).

    4) Don’t bother to reply. I have respected your wishes. Kindly show me the same courtesy.

     

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    — George Orwell —

  29. kempie says:

    I don’t know that I’d say that Halak was lucky, but last season, Price was perhaps the unluckiest goalie I’ve ever seen in my life. Like freakishly unlucky. From the first game of the season on, it just got worse and worse.

  30. Jordio-oh says:

    I think he might be alluding to the fact that the habs scored (on average) 2.4 goals per game when Carey started and 2.9 goals per game when Jaro started.

    Better goal support means a better shot at the W.

    I always felt for Roy Halladay when he didn’t get the run support he sometimes deserved from the Blue Jays when he was in Toronto.

  31. Clay4bc says:

    Great rebuttal…can’t wait to buy the book.

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    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

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  32. Clay4bc says:

    C’mon, Zep…even you can’t seriously entertain the idea that we significantly improved our goaltending. That is the issue here.

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    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

    — George Orwell —

  33. andrewberkshire says:

    Clay, you’re clearly 1) overreacting and 2) misunderstanding what that post said. The poster said if Price and AULD, not Halak, were a tandem last year they would have been 22nd overall in the league in his opinion. As for Price and Halak last season, they had to be top 10 in the league since Price’s numbers were still respectable and Halak’s were obscenely good.

  34. Xtrahabsfan says:

    You know Andrew,you sure like to make a lot of comments on aging….You better be careful, life goes fast and young body’s that are out of shape don’t do very well(fork-lift)….just saying;)

  35. Clay4bc says:

    I watched all of the games save 2…

    As for the rest, see my reply to SeriousFan above.

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    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

    — George Orwell —

  36. Clay4bc says:

    Deeper offensive group?????

    We replaced our leading PPG scorer with  a rookie, who will do well to score 15 goals. We are not “deeper”. And we replaced a very good goalie with one that is marginal at best. This does not bode well for our goals-against, however you choose to spin it.

    Remember…Halak was 4th overall in save percentage. Price was 21st. Auld…well, he didn’t make the list, but his .895 save % tied him with Huet at third worst in the league. Yeah, we’ve improved in that position…

    But you did not answer the question. Where will our goaltending rank? I said 27th, and I stand by it. But a prediction is just that. It means nothing in the big picture.

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    — George Orwell —

  37. 24 Cups says:

    Ed – I imagine that all the attention will be on Hall and Seguin this year.  However, I won’t be surprised if Dmen such as Subban, Carlson and Ekman-Larsson are in the hunt for rookie of the year.

    I really feel that kids should develop slowly (Leblanc, Kristo, Avtsin, Weber) but Subban appears to be a thoroughbred.  I would move Spacek to his natural left side and play these two guys together throughout the year.  Subban will also hopefully add some spark and imagination to the PP.  He’ll make some mistakes and overhandle the puck but who cares.  He’s ready for prime time.

  38. aemarchand11 says:

    Did you watch all the games this year? I know personally I did, and Price could easily have had his record been similar to Halaks.

    You must ignore the reports about how the team struggled with its gameplan as the season progressed. Gomez prefered the up-tempo style while Gill wanted a laid back approach and counter attack. Seems as though up until the playoffs they didnt play as a real team.

    The amount of goals that were scored due to horrible defensive coverage was brutal. Open forwards in the slot or creeping in for the backdoor pass seemed to be allowed. Some of Halaks loses were also for this reason, however the team generally gelled better on nights that he played.

    Price had to grow up, no doubt about it. But the fact everyone was saying he was a great team player, even when Halak was on fire shows he’s ready.

    If Auld has a record close to what Price had last year, and Price is in form there is no doubt they will match if not exceed last years numbers.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  39. ZepFan2 says:

    Just like the Blues signed Halak, not Roy.

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    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  40. Fire_Laraque says:

    Halak lucky???  Wow, he’s the luckyest guy I know!!!  He should play the loterie

  41. andrewberkshire says:

    Yeah I understand why, but acting like a petulant child about it is kinda pathetic. The guy literally hates everything nowadays. He hates Patrick Roy ffs!

  42. nunacanadien says:

    Make that most of Eastern Canada, heck that explains the terrible storms and rain etc.  You don’t destroy a dynasty like the Habs Mr. Gauther and Mr. Gainey, most of all trade away a hot goalie.  Shame on you Gauthier and Gainey, you almost had the right formula, but all your faith is in Carey Price.  So what, so he gets us the cup one year and you let him walk away like Chicago did to Niemi?  Shame on you for destroying a club to support a washed up worn our rookie like Price.  If there is a hockey heaven and a hockey hell, Gainey is fluctuating between both, he deserves Hockey Heaven for his Habs play, but Hockey Hell for being the GM….Gainey is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t.  Heck most GM’s who know their sh*t know to sign big in the NHL.  You would have thought this very common sense thing would have propelled Gainey, and now Gauthier seems to be making the same stupid mistakes…..oh wait, don’t you see the puppet strings that control Gauthier are pulled by Gainey?  The Molsons pulled a quick one on us, Gauthier is not running things, Gainey is.  Suprise!!!!

  43. cautiousoptimist says:

    Sigh… For-Facts-Sakes, where are you when we need you?

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  44. kempie says:

    In an ocean of ridiculously redundant schoolyard nonsense, this post is an oasis of rational reasoning. Very good, very valid  points. Are you sure you’re in the right place?

  45. aemarchand11 says:

    Yawn….

    Can’t wait for the season to start.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  46. Clay4bc says:

    Yeah…Price was “unlucky” and Halak was “lucky”…that accounts for the difference in numbers entirely. And Auld will make all the difference.

    Can I have some of what you’re smoking?

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    If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

    — George Orwell —

  47. SeriousFan09 says:

    Last season we lost Markov for half our games and we didn’t have Subban, the Defence will be much stronger than last season especially with the growth of Josh Gorge’s game. Better puck control in MTL’s end means fewer scoring chances against the goalie and hence fewer GS as they’ll move the puck more readily out of their own zone. Add in a deeper offensive group that will likely feature fewer injuries, that translates to a  more capable offensive team and less chance of getting hemmed in so often in their own defensive zone.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  48. ed lopaz says:

    that is a BIG number for PK.

    hope they’re right!!

    he’s got all the tools, that’s for darn sure.

  49. aemarchand11 says:

    Seems like they base them off last years regular season. However if we look at the timely goal scoring we received in the playoffs, I would add about 10 points to Cammy, Pleks and Gio adn about 5 to Gomez. No 90 pointers this year though, not with the two-way approach.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  50. Clay4bc says:

    …says the guy who thinks that replacing Halak with Auld will result in a 12 place improvement in goaltending…

    In case you missed it, we signed Alex Auld, not Patrick Roy.

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    — George Orwell —

  51. aemarchand11 says:

    Given the overhaul on the roster and the amount of 1 goal games that could have gone either way. Yes, Yes I am. Halak was the luckier of the two during the regular season, the team showed up and gave him leads to work with.

    S’all about the system.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  52. SeriousFan09 says:

    Problem when you start your career covering a team that utterly dominated the hockey world for more than a quarter century, you became attached to that identity of the team rather than the one that exists in a 30-team NHL and a club that has taken a long time to recover from the Reign of Error.

    Red has become too embittered about the Canadiens as they are today and has extremely fond memories of watching two unmatched dynasties and I get it. My father saw the 70s team in all it’s glory, previous years drove him mad watching the sad decline of a D group he saw led by Lapointe, Savard and his all-time favourite Robinson. He’s quite thrilled at the prospect of having both Markov and Subban playing for MTL next season because it would be something resembling what he likes, rather than seeing Breezer being our leading D scorer, followed by Eric Weinrich, Karl Dykhuis, Craig Rivet, Francis Bouillon and Igor Ulanov.

    I usually wait until he’s writing something about the previous eras of the team before I read his stuff because he has really become far too cynical about what the Habs are today.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  53. lenny says:

    Next thing you know Red will write a column about the damn kids on his lawn!

  54. aemarchand11 says:

    That Giguere-Gustavson, Leclaire-Elliot and Deslaurier-Dubnyj(With Knabby in Jail) are going to be the only goalie combination worse than the Habs?

    Whats big brother putting in your grool Orwell?

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  55. Clay4bc says:

    You are seriously trying to say that Price-Auld is a serious upgrade on Halak-Price? Because last season, if we took out Price’s numbers, we would have been 4th or 5th….so Price brought us down a lot. I guess Auld must have found his game?

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    — George Orwell —

  56. 24 Cups says:

    Dobber’s Hockey has just released their draft list for the new season.  It’s based solely on point production.  Here’s how our boys did in terms of the top 200  projections.

    43 – Cammalleri – 72 points

    81 – Pleks – 61

    82 – Gomez – 61

    84 – Gionta – 60

    94 – Markov – 59

    132 – AK46 – 52

    139 – Subban – 51

  57. HabsFanInTampa says:

    If any fellow HIO’s will be purchasing Tony Marinaro’s excursion to Tampa to watch the Canadiens crush the Lightning on March 5th. Please let me know, it would be nice to get together for drinks and/or food. That goes for any HIO’s who are attending the December 30th game here in Tampa also. I’ve been here almost 10 years and know tha area very well.

  58. Clay4bc says:

    27th…

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  59. aemarchand11 says:

    Last Season: 22 (If a Tandem)

    This Season: 10th. 60/20 Split for Games.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  60. Ian Cobb says:

    SUMMIT UPDATE ALERT,!!!

    We have 56 paid tickets in so far.

    Final cut off time for tickets is Monday at 11am in my home mail box.

     

    Received notice from the Bell Center, that the cut off date
    for Summit game tickets is payment in my mail box by 11am on Monday
    Aug. 9th.

    I have to phone him before noon to give him the exact
    number of tickets that have been paid for. Then the rest go for general
    public sale. So you better get a move on. No crying later.

    Summit Game Tickets—Send Money Order to Reserve Them

  61. joshua94k says:

    Ever since Jaroslav Halak got traded, Red Fisher has been in deep depression….

  62. aemarchand11 says:

    Hockey is played in -18 on Frozen Ponds or outdoor rinks. Deal with it Red.

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  63. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Question for you all….In a 30 team NHL,where do you place the goaltending duo of Price and Auld in the performance category?


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