TGIF

Red Fisher won’t be in Calgary on Feb. 20

Louis Leblanc at junior camp on The Rock

Mark MacMillan traded to Penticton (Thanks, Mark C)

• Yvon Pedneault on Sean Couturier, the next great francophone junior

Down Goes Brown’s off-season winners and losers (Habs mak neither list)

• Tony Marinaro takes time out from coaching the Canadiens and the Italian national soccer team to work as a travel agent on Twitter: Great
NHL package. Habs@Lightning & Caps@Lightning. March 4th-8th, $2399+
includes: game tix, airfare, hotel, meals. Dino (514) 933-1346

Hey, maybe this kid will be good: a Danny Kristo compilation (thanks W35T5ID3) 

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Scott Burnside on the Southeast Division

Mike Modano‘s bonuses, per CapGeek on Twitter: $150k for 40 GP, $100k for 55 GP, plus $125k each for Round 1 and 2 playoff wins. Jim Kelley’s take on Modano

Bob Murray rebuilds the Ducks’ D

• James Mirtle on the Clarke MacArthur arbitration

• Analysis of the Tim Kennedy buyout

• Stan Fischler – remember him? – likes Jeff Vinik (thanks, nightmare_49, for the link)

Optimism in Atlanta

• FHF has a link to Ovie’s new squeeze

490 Comments

  1. Rob says:

    Right about some things.  But as much as i have grown up admiring Red, even i find it difficult not finding his more recent work reminding me of the rants of my late grandfather.  In terms of this article, there are too many bones to pick to even bother pointing them out, but i will grant him his point about the Heritage Classic being more about a cash grab than classic hockey.  Everything else he writes in this article, however, comes off as nothing more than the complaints of an aging man. And for someone of his journalistic integrity and regard, one would hope he would at least be factually correct in something as simple as knowing the weather in Edmonton and Calgary are non-comparable.

  2. Clay4bc says:

    18 seasons without a cup will do that to a die-hard fan…

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  3. WarHero says:

    You are most likely right. Makes his decision a no-brainer! lol

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  4. ZepFan2 says:

    Especially when it comes to call in show and message board GM wannabees.

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    - Steven Tyler

  5. Storm Man says:

    What would be good is a weekend Heritage Classic at Percival. Play Saturday night and again Sunday afternoon as they do now Superbowl weekend. Leafs vs Habs Saturday night play Boston Sunday.

  6. G-Man says:

    If Red had dressed for the cold weather, he wouldn’t have had such a poor experience. hs lack of prepartion made him sick and hence a poor report. It’s ok Red, a thousand reporters will be there, if not you.

  7. The_Franchise31 says:

    danny kristo is gonna look wicked (snap) in a habs jersey!

  8. Chorske says:

    Whoa, this post is MONTHS too late.

    We’ve been there and done that. Passons a autre chose.

  9. lenny says:

    If PG did such a great job in Ottawa, then where are all their banners….?? Bottom line is when Gainy steped down, a proper search should have been done for his replacement….If PG was the right guy, then he would have emerged as the number 1 anyhow, so whats the harm in looking….

  10. Mark C says:

    Because they could have told him they would make him their #1 and trade Halak if he signed this deal.

    How would this be any different than where Montreal is today? Saying that to Price, gives him even more leaverage to seek top dollar.  

  11. Chorske says:

    That Pollock quote is gold.

  12. Chorske says:

    I think the #2 option was the winner. Sign Price first and you miss out on the whole point of having RFAs with no arbitration rights, AND you kill any leverage you had in terms of return on Halak, because at that point it becomes obvious you NEED to trade him.

    I don’t think Eller is a bad return given the circumstances. I still think we traded the wrong guy- but I am totally willing to be convinced otherwise. It’s pretty much up to Price.

  13. Mark C says:

    Of course one these RFAs should have been signed before trading away the other – it is a no-brainer.

    How do you get one of them sign early enough so that the other can be traded while the market has peak demand? The only answer is the team overpays.

    Now on top of it has given Price bargaining power that the Habs held before trading one or the ther away.

    Price’s agent is not a dummy. Once the team puts on the hard sell to sign Price early, he would realize that Montreal was planning on trading Halak. This leaves Montreal in the same place they are today. Also, the idea that Price has gained all this bargaining power is mostly just talk. The end game is still the same. If Price won’t sign what Montreal is offering he won’t play NHL and won’t get paid at all.

  14. observer says:

    montreal and habs needed halak and moore and boucher a helluva lot more than they need gauthier the sens/nords guru.

  15. observer says:

    thats just another wasted #2 draft pick, like for schneider, lang, tanguay plus another #1, moore – all played here merely months then gone. this is a poorly managed team.

  16. observer says:

    Price can get an offer and that what he is still hoping for. Price only is not eligible for arbitration.

  17. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    Not sure if this has been posted, but it looks like the Habs would want to stage Heritage Classic at Percival! IMO, the obvious choice, would be plain stupid to have it at the Big Owe!

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/303911.html

     

  18. observer says:

    Because they could have told him they would make him their #1 and trade Halak if he signed this deal. Besides Gauthier had previously said “we like both goalies and will keep both.” He did not have to trade him in June or even at least wait until the draft when he could have got offers for either.          Gauthier is 90s Senators – he never won a championship in his career – Sens fans hate him.

  19. Fox says:

    Herded like livestock

  20. nightmare_49 says:

     l – Thats why they call them rentals.

  21. RGM says:

    Oh good, new subject matter for us all to discuss.

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  22. observer says:

    A top young goalie like the playoff leader and 4th best over regular season playing behind a very average team – was worth giving Halak $4 million a year by St. Louis – he had much trade value. Of course one these RFAs should have been signed before trading away the other – it is a no-brainer. Now on top of it has given Price bargaining power that the Habs held before trading one or the ther away. And you can’t see it?

  23. Malreg says:

    That’s my biggest pet peeve with the whole “They should have signed Price before trading Halak” argument.

    Why would Price sign in June, when he knows that by July 1st either he or Halak would be traded, and the thus the future would be much more clear?  The canadiens had to get rid of one before July 1st, they both knew it, which is why either of them would have never signed before that.

  24. Mark C says:

    Montreal badly needed Moore at the end of the season. He plays great, season ends. Montreal trades Halak, the main piece of return is a larger up and coming center. Montreal’s need for Moore is greatly reduced and thus he is not signed (assuming he even wanted to).

  25. Mark C says:

    I love how the media and some people wholly forget to take stock in the cons and downside to signing Price before Halak.

    For the sign Price and then trade Halak idea to work it relies on one large assumption: that Price can be signed by July 1. The market for goalies size shrinks greatly, this season three teams added #1 A or B goalies, on July 1. Free market theory would suggest that Halak’s value would decrease after July 1 as demand has decreased.

    This brings us back to Price. Why does Price sign early? Negotiation logic suggests in this case that the reason Price would sign early is because his initial demands (and highest) were met, giving him not reason not to wait for a better offer.  

    In the final analysis, it seems that if Montreal would have signed Price and then traded Halak there would be two likely outcomes:   

    1) Price is overpaid as a means of making sure Halak is traded before July 1.

    2) Price is overpaid, and Halak’s return is diminished as market size decreases on July 1st, and/or market realizes that the Price signing has forced Montreal to trade Halak.

    I really don’t know what option would have been best; clearly there are pros and cons for both. Just wish it would be acknowledged that signing Price and then trading Halak isn’t some perfect utopian idea.       

     

  26. ZepFan2 says:

    Observe this…”Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” ~ Sam Pollock

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  27. notbigbird says:

    Sorry boss.

    The word curmudgeon comes to mind.

     

  28. nightmare_49 says:

     o – I could be wrong but i think other GMs’ were not able to make an offer sheet to Price (non arbitration RFA) while Halak (arbitration RFA) could entertain an offer sheet.

  29. lenny says:

    I have…Yup it still is a stupid mistake

  30. lenny says:

    the only move he has made worse then this is not re-signing Moore…Traded for him, does a good job in the Playoffs..then not sign him…Signs with the rest of the Habs in Tampa for nothing….yes that made a lot of sense

     

  31. observer says:

    Sometime before the next draft.

  32. lenny says:

    Why, his stories of late have been nothing more then depressing…

  33. Chorske says:

    I

    LOVE

    this

    thread

     

  34. aemarchand11 says:

    Habs I/O Insider Observer, claims that Geoff Molson will terminate Gauthier at years end.

    Yawn…

    Cant wait for people to jump on the Eller Train when he starts producing, and wait, he has size, and its.. at the center position! Wow!

  35. Chuck says:

    When people agree with the media simply because they’re the media, they’re just asking for trouble. Think for yourselves, people. Weigh the evidence, then form your own opinion.

  36. observer says:

    The callers – intelligent – habs fans all agreed with them on the timing of Gauthier’s trade.

  37. observer says:

    No kidding! Anyone with half or a millionth of a brain knows Gauthier made a bonehead move trading one RFA goalie away before signing the other one FIRST. On top of it trading the wrong goalie away. Then spreading the lies that Price had a much better future(Gauthier thinks he’s Nostradamous now) and even more trade value as opposed to Halak for other GMs. Well, if Price had such great trade value then why hasn’t any GM offered Price a $3 million dollar average deal which would only cost him a 2nd round draft pick? And you better believe Molson is thinking the same – why did you rush to trade one of these goalies before signing one or the other? Gauthier won’t be here much longer – he will not last another year here.

  38. habs03 says:

    I feel the same, I’m hoping Max makes the club this year but he would have to be outstanding in camp, the best thing would be to play a full year in Ham, last year he was hurt right after he was sent down and missed a lot of time. I think a good 3rd line for the 2011 season would be Max Pac- Eller- Laps. As for Max not playing to his size, I think he goes out and tries to make hits but he needs to fill his frame, I swear every game someone would line him up and either hit him hard or he would move away the last second..lol

  39. lenny says:

    I think many are in agreement with them….

  40. SeriousFan09 says:

    No one was offering him better than 2 years I imagine, he gets a 5-year term with the KHL. NYR and CGY were already capped-out for stupid contract offers over long terms as well.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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  41. WarHero says:

    Thx Nightmare, I’m surprised no one took a chance on him here. He played well for the Trashers last year.

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  42. HabFanSince72 says:

    Let me know when the boys on Team 990 run anything (besides their mouths).

  43. HabFanSince72 says:

    Lay off Red, people. He’s right.

    Well, except for the part about getting pneumonia from the cold.

     

     

  44. nightmare_49 says:

      

    via Dmitry Chesnokov tweet,

    Max Afinogenov will sign a 5 year contract with KHL’s SKA, KHL Pres Medvedev announced today.

  45. Mike Boone says:

    Tony is a renaissance man.

  46. Mike Boone says:

    Gallagher was my sleeper pick on draft day 2.

  47. lenny says:

    Listening to the boys and Tieman on the TEAM 990 this morning….concensus is the HABS made a huge faux pas trading Halak before signing Price…They assume the move could cost them around a million dollars….thats a lot of bottles of beer!

  48. lenny says:

    Not impressed with Red’s story this morning, kind of made something thats going to be fun..as exciting as going to a funeral. His stories seem to be getting more negative and following the Habs seems to be more of a chore…I long for the days of Farber!

  49. SeriousFan09 says:

    5’8″ and tough as nails with a scoring touch, I think the Habs have a steal, especially with a guy who closely matches the 2nd-season WHL totals of Jordan Eberle.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  50. Hockey Socks says:

    The thing that impresses me most about Kristo is that he plays just as well at any level of competition – be it in the NCAA, against Latvia, or against Team Canada. He always delivers at the same torrid pace.

  51. Hockey Socks says:

    Speaking of too small – I’m surprised our draft pick Brendan Gallagher made it to the Team Canada camp over guys like McFarland or Brett Connolly. At 5’8″, it may be easy to overlook him (literally) – but maybe we’re onto something here. He could be a surprise one day.

  52. avatar_58 says:

    Max is fine. He just needs time to develop. Not every young player explodes right away, and I’m TIRED of watching our guys do better elsewhere. Leave him in Hamilton until he’s ready. He and Palushaj have chemistry, so bring em both up for the 4th or 3rd and let’s see what they can do on a line with someone like Pyatt or Lapierre.

  53. WarHero says:

    Who cares, I want to see that line as well. lol

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  54. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hey Mike, you forgot to mention Marinaro’s correspondence course in becoming an M.D. when he used his expertise to diagnose Andrei Markov’s back injury and used a consult from his friend at a pharmacy.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  55. petefleet says:

    I agree with you.  I would, however, take Max Pac out of the mix.  If he couldn’t make his mark over ythe last 2-3 years with the talent they put him with, I’m afraid he is done.  I wouldn’t have him back.  He does not play as big as he is and if you’re not going to score, you have to do everything else.  All the other guys will get their chances this year and next.  Should be fun to watch.

    Go Habs Go

  56. habs03 says:

    You got two RW, pick one ;)..I don’t know if anyone remember but they had a story on Kristo during rookie camp earlier in the summer where he said to the reporters that he was “the best RW at the camp” (he was the only real RW), kidna chessy funny i find :)

  57. habs03 says:

    I have no porblem with having ‘small” players like Gio, Cammy, in our top 6, but I like our team to have sandpaper and size on our bottom 6, and I think P.G. is looking to do just that, Eller 6’2, Moen 6’2 Max Pac 6’2, Laps 6’2, White 6′, Boyd 6′ and pyatt 5’11, and with got guys in Ham that are going to be good 3rd 4th liners with size, Conboy 6’4. Schultz 6’3.

    Also I think our bottom 6 is going to be key for us this season and some of the young guys need to step up, namely Max Pac, and O’B (not young anymore).

  58. ebas12 says:

    I want to see an Avtsin – Leblanc – Kristo line in Hamilton. Do it now, PG. Thx.

    I read somewhere if Leblanc is deemed good enough, they’ll send him to Hamilton, and if so, we shouldn’t be surprised to see Kristo follow, as long as he’s also considered good enough.

  59. nightmare_49 says:

    Steve – Caught your Duff*** slight yesterday, funny you always bring up laff names (Sundin,Kaberle etc.) from your closet, makes one wonder. …………   Move Spacek to the left side to play with PK, guess we will be hearing that 100 times before the puck is dropped for our first exibition game, why not use it as your signature.

  60. Mattyleg says:

    I spent July on Long Island, and watched baseball every night.

    I talked about the ‘Spos to people, and they all knew and remembered our team well.

    *sigh*

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  61. Ian Cobb says:

    Not yet! 

  62. The Teacher says:

    hey Ian, did you get my money order? am I good?


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