Taking stock of fancy-skating P.J.

Recognize the guy behind the mask?

The NHL thinks Ron Francis was a better number 10 than Guy Lafleur (thanks, NightRyder).

• Pat Hickey talks to P.J. Stock about the Battle of the Blades: “You
get $25,000 for the charity of your choice just for participating and
$100,000 if you win,” Stock explained. “I talked it over with my wife
and we agreed it was a way to give something back. We’ve been fortunate
that our kids are healthy.”

Arpon Basu says the acquisition of Jeff Halpern may mean a lighter load for Tomas Plekanec. Arpon also suggests the likely forward lines this season.

And Mark C posts some interesting Jeff Halpern stats:

– Halpern had 47 blocked shots last season, which would have ranked him
3rd among Montreal forwards, behind only Pleks’ 63 and Moen’s 51 and 11
more blocked shots than Lapierre.

– Halpern averaged 2:24 of PK
time per game in Tampa last season, which would have ranked 2nd behind
only Pleks’ 2:44 among Montreal forwards.

– Halpern’s FO% of 51.6% would have lead Montreal.    

Shout-out to Watsatheo for this very loud Jeff Halpern compilation


TSN’s Fantasy projections. Highest Canadien is Scott Gomez at number 40.

Jean Charest promises Quebec will pay 45 per cent of the cost of a new Colisée. Yvon Pedneault approves.

Redesigned Capgeek. Canadiens have $778,273 to spend.

• James Mirtle Tweets: “I guess because I’m from B.C. originally I don’t quite understand the intense hatred for all things Leafs.” Maybe it’s because they invite thugs to training camp.

• SB Nation’s mock NHL expansion draft
Scott Gomez is picked third … by the Nordiques!  

 Stan Bowman gets a promotion.


  1. mike g says:

    If one penny from my tax money goes towards that arena, I’m moving to Vermont….

    These rich businessmen who own extreamly rich corporations need money to build a building that will just generate them more money? I don’t think so….

    When I wanna build an office, I pay for it on my own. The gov’t doesn’t give me taxpayers dollars, just because I’ll be creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

    If anything, the gov’t should help out us regular people and not the big/rich corporations who can afford to build empires.

    What a crock of bull…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  2. derfab says:

    Unless he’s playing with Pleks and Cammaleri!

  3. Chuck says:

    Hopefully Liambas will break a sprocket and smear Nazem Kadri all over the endboards. That’d look good on the Laffs. Once again, Brian Burke proves that douchebags love company.

  4. JD_ says:

    Yes, but when the winger is near the boards, the D-man knows the faceoff circle will be the point where the goalie knows the puck is before the slot becomes the area near where the faceoff first was before the puck moved. So size becomes the same as when the line change sees the guy playing center pass the puck behind the net. It’s guys like Beukeboom who knew that when the puck came back out they could make the D-man play the goalie.

  5. B says:

    we really need size on defense

    Here is a comparison of D size between Cup champs Chicago, Montreal and the Flyers who knocked off Montreal in the Eastern final. Listed are the top 6 D on each team (listed by playoff TOI) followed by their height in inches and their weight in pounds. I have totalled and averaged the height and weight of those top 6 D for each of the teams:

    Keith 73 196
    Seabrook 75 218
    Hjalmarsson 75 205
    Sopel 73 201
    Campbell 72 189
    Hendry 72 197
    Total Height: 440 / 6 = 73.333
    Total Weight: 1206 / 6 = 201

    Gorges 73 200
    Hamrlik 74 207
    Gill 79 241
    Bergeron 69 198
    Suban 72 206
    Markov 72 207
    Total Height: 439 / 6 = 73.1666
    Total Weight: 1259 /6 = 209.8333

    Pronger 78 220
    Timonen 70 194
    Carle 72 205
    Coburn 77 220
    Krajicek 75 205
    Parent 75 198
    Total Height: 447 / 6 = 74.5
    Total Weight: 1242 / 6 = 207

    Not Counted for Montreal:
    O’Byrne 77 234
    Spacek 72 210
    For next year, you can replace Bergeron on Montreal’s list and he was the smallest in both height and weight. So, size wise, is that really a problem for Montreal?

  6. derfab says:

    I agree that it would be hard to stomach. But Charest is desperate and has no real choice other than to quit while Peladeau knows that the team will be as good or better for the Quebec economy than it will be for him.

    Albertans will rant, but are not very relevant here for two reasons: 1- Albertan wealth and self-sufficiency is built on something that is as harmful and morally questionable as it is enriching, 2- Though Harper has Alberta, with or without it, Quebec decides federal elections based on how much support they take away from the liberals and give to the bloc.

  7. punkster says:

    Wadaminute, wadaminute…whoa, whoa…BTFU dude. Are we talkin’ the ’74 thru ’79 Tardif or the the ’79 thru ’83 Tardif?


  8. HFX-HabFan says:

    Underrated, yes, an “elite” or dominant player, no.  Dude only played in 4 all-star games in his long career and had a lower points-per-game.

    Not to mention he also wore number 9 for most of his time in Hartford and his first few days in Pittsburgh.  Lafleur should be number 10.

  9. aemarchand11 says:

    thanks for the info, ill be there as well.

    Go Habs Go!

  10. Top Corner says:

    ….you lost us at “i read on TSN” !!!

  11. adam76 says:

    I, too, have tickets for this game. Can’t wait.

  12. notbigbird says:

    That pretty well nails it. Thanks. There never was a question IMO, but it’s nice to see a few facts.

  13. notbigbird says:

    He seems like a good addition, but unless the brass thinks we can seriously challenge for the cup this year, I think we should be moving some young players up — if they’re any good, of course — and maybe that’s the problem.

  14. ZepFan2 says:

    Simple Jack


    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  15. notbigbird says:

    My personal opinion: Hull was a superstar, and I’m not even sure that I’d classify Clark as a star. Well, I probably would — reluctantly. As for the Pocket (see below): fine player who played on a strong team behind Beliveau, so he’s not in the mix.

  16. punkster says:

    1 and 2 – Good signing for little cash. The kids in Hamilton are just going to have to work harder and give us more than just a few games of flash when they get here.

    3. Maybe his Mom.

    4. I refuse to get into Gomez debates again until the season gets underway.

    5. The Others


  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    If Alberta wants to separate  I won’t shed a tear.

  18. StevieRay says:

    Leblanc coning to Halifax to play the Mooseheads on Oct 7…I’ll be there … can’t wait for a sneak preview

    Nice to have Halpern especially if he’s on the PK… gives our top six forwards a rest and allows them to do what we’re paying them for …offense !


  19. joeybarrie says:

    John Kreiser is WAY OFF…  Francis was a GREAT player…. But he was NO GUY LAFLEUR.

    Francis 1.04 PTS per game                Lafleur 1.2 PTS per game

    Francis 2 Stanley cups                       Lafleur 5 Stanley Cups

    Francis 4 All Star Games                    Lafleur 6 All Star Games

    Francis best season 119 PTS              Lafleur best season 136

    Francis won:                                     Lafleur won:

        -1 Slelke, 1 Clancy, 3 Lady Bings    -3 Art Ross, 2 Hart, 3 Lester B. Pearson, 1 Conn Smyth and 1 Lou                                                          Marsh (being CANADA’S TOP ATHLETE)

    Francis is not on the The Hockey News top 100 Hockey Players, Lafleur is #11…

    Lafleur had 6 (in a row) 50 goal seasons, Francis none…         

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  20. derfab says:

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the dangerous, violent dimension of hockey. But I also suspect (and almost hope) that Scott Stevens is somehow paying for all the vicious, deliberate and completely unecessary head shots he doled out.

  21. WarHero says:

    Of course, 13 feet of goal tender is never enough :) hahaha


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  22. Bob Dobbs says:

    Please do not denigrade tofu and peace by associating them with the United Nations, thank you.

  23. longtimehabsfan says:

    Sorry if I misunderstood.

  24. pic1983 says:

    1.  I hated it at first specifically because of question number 2, taking away a roster spot from a young player.  For $600K though, I’m not going to sit here and bash PG all day, it actually costs us less against the cap than a guy like paccioretty.  I’m going to file this transaction in the cedric-desjardins-for-kari-ramo file of insignificant roster moves. 

    2.  It would be a big problem, but looking at the stat sheets from hamilton last year, I dont think we have any prospect who should be considered a lock to fill the bottom 6 spot thats going to halpern.  Also, no prospect we have can match halperns versatility (I think halpern could fill in on the PP or in the Top-6 for a short period of time for injury relief if need be).

    3.  Nope.  Can’t stand the guy.  Every single day he was on the team 990 he made a bigger and bigger fool of himself.  CBC seems to have done a good job of reigning him in. 

    4.  Top fantasy pick from the habs in my books is either Pleks or Cammy.  However, I believe Gomez will have a great season, and I’m going to throw himz a bone and file him in the “the best is yet to come” category.

    5.  Gotta go back to Les Nordiques.

  25. longtimehabsfan says:

    We need more size in goal, too.  LOL!!!

  26. SmartDog says:

    I’ve seen Tropic Thunder.  Classic funny movie… at least if you see it in the right mood.  It was on the other night and I watched 10 mintues and thought “this is the dumbest movie ever” and turned it off, but hte next mornnign was chuckling over it again. 

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  27. Rugger says:

    Just e-mailed this one to my Bruins fan daughter (changing the team of course!)

  28. mike g says:


    It’s actually a line from a movie trailer in the movie Tropic Thunder. You gotta watch that movie to understand it.

    But basically the quote means that his dreams make him cry. He just says it in a funny way


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  29. SmartDog says:

    How about:

    Les Colocs – it would make it easier ot pick their opening music

    Les Quebec Pure Laines – they could have a white sheep with a hockey stick



    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  30. punkster says:

    Mom burned the toast again this morning?


  31. derfab says:

    I guess I wasn’t clear. I also think Lafleur was the better player and that the comparison is a false one, only made possible only by the fact that Francis made himself useful for 20 years. Lemaire or Dionne and Francis are more comparable, but they didn’t wear the same number.

  32. Storm Man says:

    The hot topic of the day. Quebec City wants a new arena to bring a NHL team back to the city this is great news. The federal government hands out 14.4 billion in equalization payments this year and Quebec get’s 8.5 billion this is good news so this money goes where? maybe for all the nice roads? no must be for the new hospitals? no Im wrong again maybe it is going under someones bed. I don’t understand why Peladeau does not just build the new arena himself. I understand the view Charest has in this matter as he is a top level a$$ kisser(he must have alot of chapstick). This has become a very hot topic across Canada and it did not have to. I hope Peladeau has GB word that when a new arena is in place Quebec will have a team. The red-necks in Alberta will be pissed if any federal money goes to help Quebec city with a arena and would want Alberta to separate from Canada. Harper knows he should just sit on the sidelines on this matter like he does on most. I for one want Quebec City to have a team back in the city but not with federal money as it would be a huge mistake for the rest of Canada moving forward.

  33. SeriousFan09 says:

    He had better health which is a lot of luck and sometimes genetics working your way, if Lafleur had not suffered his knee injury, he might have had more 100+ point seasons. Lafleur’s career would have taken him through the wild scoring era of the 80s and likely ended around the same time as his 2nd retirement, potentially finishing in the top 10 of the NHL even.

    There are six players ahead of Lemieux in NHL career scoring, but only Gretzky gives him a run for his money in a head-to-head contest. Francis had taken a bad knee injury in his prime, it might have seriously hacked at his career totals.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  34. mike g says:

    Ron Francis…

    I remember him scoring many goals and being a very, very good player. But my biggest memory of him will always be this:


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack



    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  35. smiler2729 says:


    I’ve always thought Jeff Halpern rocked and wished Montreal coulda got him, thanks Gauths!

  36. WarHero says:

    Since when does not having a defensemen under 6 feet mean you need size on defense?



    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  37. SmartDog says:

    Halpern’s goal scoring seems very opportunistic which I like.  That’s how our team plays, lots of small passes and movement. He seems to be good at picking up the puck and firing it quickly rather than carrying it and that’s what Gio does so well, what Gomez, Gio, Pleks etc. set up.

    I have to ask…I’ve never seen Simple Jack.  Can you explain that quote?  Is it a key/funny line in the movie?


    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  38. Jordio-oh says:

    Halpern also average more hits per game last year than Gomez, Pleckanec and Metro.

    Now, that’s not saying a whole lot, but it fits well enough into what you’ve already provided.

  39. mike g says:

    He played for the Leafs, so his stats should always have an asterisk next to them.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  40. Chuck says:

    In regards to the NHL “by the numbers” list, how do you keep any credibility by mentioning Felix Potvin as being “in the mix” when discussing the greatest player to have worn #29?

  41. habrez says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Jeff Halpern is the only current Hab who has ever been a captain in the NHL, with his hometown Capitals. So I like this signing.

    We are also turning into the Leafs with all these Americans (Max Pac, Gomez, Gionta, Gill, Halpern, plus all of our prospects). The only difference is we seem to get the more talented ones.


  42. SeriousFan09 says:

    No doubt Francis was a very good, consistent player over his career, but Lafleur set the record for quickest player to hit 1000 points (before Gretzky) and his career was only cut short by a knee injury and Jacques Lemaire starting the campaign to prevent hockey from being interesting.

    Lafleur could fill the back of the net with fluid ability and he made Steve Shutt a HOF player, Francis was good but Lafleur still has more career goals despite playing over 600 fewer games and just ruled the game when he played.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  43. andrewberkshire says:

    Only 3 players in NHL history have more points than Francis. He also had more longevity.

  44. Mark C says:

    Who would have been a better fit? I remember Johnson as a nice 3rd liner that helped Montreal during his one year here. I don’t like the +/- stat, but he was one of the few plus players on the 2006-07 Habs. He was also 5th in hits and 3rd in blocked shots among forwards and that’s counting Dandenault who I think played some D that season.

  45. volcano62 says:

    LOL I love it :)

    Go Habs Go!

  46. JD_ says:

    Ok, but what about the player when a goalie is challenged by the player’s faceoff and the winger isn’t covering the point when the D pinches after the goalie’s play? Seems to me there’s no possibility for the size factor to change that when the slot is covered by both players who come out of the faceoff and the puck isn’t back to the point. I think what should happen is that the wingers from both sides know that the faceoff isn’t going to be the goalie’s responsibilty so that a guy like Tardif isn’t backing up.

  47. mike g says:

    OK SmartDog, I’m gonna have fun with #5….

    Team name possibilities:

    – Les Quebecois de Quebec (because they’ll be composed of 23 French-Canadian players, due to the media’s obsession for this)

    – Le Pays de Quebec (their logo can be the outline of the Province, or as their name and thaughts point out, their new Country)

    – Les Faches du Quebec (cuz for some reason Quebequers are always aggressive and always complain about everything)


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  48. longtimehabsfan says:

    If longevity were the only criteria then I would agree with you.  Compare baseball history to this situation.  Why is it that Sandy Koufax is regarded as the best lefty of all time rather than Steve Carlton or Randy Johnson, both who lasted much longer than Koufax?  Because for a period of five to six years no pitcher dominated like Koufax.  The same can be said for Lafleur.  From 1974-75 to 1979-80 he was the best player in the game.  Ron Francis was never the best player in the game at any point in his career and certainly never came close to having 6 years like the ones Lafleur had.

  49. HabFanSince72 says:


    Someone ranked him above the Flower.


  50. habfan53 says:

    Speaking of Leafs:


    I met a buddy today who was talking to a fairy. The fairy granted him a wish. . “I want to live forever,” He said.
    “Sorry,” said the fairy, “I’m not allowed to grant wishes like that.”
    “Fine,” He said,
    “I want to die when Toronto wins the Stanley cup.”
    “You crafty bastard!” said the fairy.

  51. nunacanadien says:

    Its his inability to fight or push back which is an issue.  Sure Halpern can on occasion give a dirty hit in the corners, but overall, he is a typical peace-loving hard working falling down vet in the Johnson model.  Remember Johnson?  Wasn’t he also around Halpern’s height, great two way player, but spent most of the game flat on his back, cause he just was not big enough or fat enough but just big enough to push down.

  52. nunacanadien says:

    I read on TSN where one poster in their comments site asks, why sign Halpern if we don’t have any Bulldogs to call up who could take over the RH centre position.  This is a good question.  When we really need size on defense, and most of all size up front, why sign an average-below-average passive player like Halpern?  Sure people harp about his two way play, but if your not a hitter then you’re a skater.  Great another peace loving tofu player joins the Tofu eating peace loving Habs.  Welcome to the United Nations Peace Program.

  53. Rugger says:

    I’d also take Maurice over Howe.

  54. Mark C says:

    I have no idea about what you’re trying to say, but Halpern year-in-year-out has always had great face-off numbers, so unless he starts to shrink, his size shouldn’t be an issue.

  55. longtimehabsfan says:

    Henri Richard was better than all of them.

  56. andrewberkshire says:

    Put Francis on the 70’s Canadiens and you’d probably have the same amount of cups. Easily the most underrated player of all time.

  57. mike g says:

    1- Too early to rate the move, but if it works out as planned he gets an A++. For 600k, Halpern can be a steal if he scores 15 goals, plays sound defensive hockey, and takes away some PK minutes from Pleks. Me likes the deal….

    2- I’m sure the team evaluated their prospects and came to the conclusion that maybe only 1 of them was ready to make the leap to the NHL. No need to rush a bunch of them and ruin careers. I have no problem signing vets to basically plug a hole for a year until the young ones are ready. Some people have no clue how fragile and important a good development is, and how it can ruin very good players if not done properly. I’m sure this was a calculated move.

    3- Um….wtv. Sounds like a cool guy sometimes, sounds like a weirdo other times.

    4- G-love…..hahaha.

    5- Les Poutines


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  58. nunacanadien says:

    If only he can keep up his FO%.  Size usually has a factor to play in the overall number of Faceoffs won.  In otherwords, if the other big team is pushing you around, chances are your Centre Hice fellow will not have great Faceoff stats.  We only need to look at one of our most excellent Faceoff fellows, Koivu as a gleaning example of how a player could not buzz around D-men just cause he is small.  No team unless you are a very skilled player can take advantage of small size vs big D-men.  In a way Halpern then if he wins, helps to remove one obstacle, that is the rush towards the Habs net and a sure floater going in on Price.

  59. punkster says:

    #16 Brett Hull over Bobby Clarke? Don’t get me wrong, I hated Clarke with a passion, and who didn’t, but he was the epitome of 70s hockey. I suppose this list depends on scoring stats so in that regard…

    Now #4, I gotta ask…where’s the love for Mike Pelyk? Nobody and I mean NOBODY could ice the puck with such assurance and authority as Mike Pelyk.


  60. SeriousFan09 says:

    And that’s a double.

  61. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. Silver, it does kind of cut off chances for advancement by the prospects unless injuries kick in and we’re all tired of hearing aobut those.

    2. They still have a chance to outplay Darche and knock him off the roster and it wouldn’t hurt Pacioretty to spend the year in the A after his up-and-down ride in the last couple years.

    3. About his getting sacked from CBC in the near future? Hoping for that.

    4. Gomez is getting underestimated by TSN and so is Pleks, only Pleks is getting grossly underestimated. With Gionta for the season and an active Pouliot or Eller, that can line can generate quite a bit.

    5. Quebec Xenophobe’s delight.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  62. Mark C says:

    Since it is another slow news day, how about a few more thoughts on Jeff Halpern:

    A lot of talk about how Halpern is replacing Metro or Moore, however I think Halpern replaces some of the best attributes of both players. Halpern replaces Metro’s RH shot and ability to score on the PP. Also, Halpern replaces Moore’s face-off %, defensive awareness, and ability to play on the PK. In essence Halpern is a Metro/Moore hybrid.  Now, Halpern isn’t a world beater, and at best he represents only a marginal upgrade over one of the Moore/Metro combo of last season. Halpern’s value to the team is found in his ability to fill so many roles due to how well rounded his game is. Add in his leadership, was captain of team USA in the 2008 World Championships, where he injured his knee.

    A lack of adding toughness and the loss of a roster spot for a young player are legit claims. However, looking at the projected bottom six, there is a lot of girt, and these lines will be hard to play against. As far as the rookies go, that situation will play itself out. There will be injuries, only 4 Montreal forwards played in 75 games or more. Also, players like White and Max-Pac won’t be hurt by additional time spend in the A.         

    A few fun facts:

    Halpren had 47 blocked shots last season, which would have ranked him 3rd among Montreal forwards, behind only Pleks’ 63 and Moen’s 51 and 11 more blocked shots than Lapierre.

    Halpern averaged 2:24 of PK time per game in Tampa last season, which would have ranked 2nd behind only Pleks’ 2:44 among Montreal forwards.

    Halpern’s FO% of 51.6% would have lead Montreal.     

  63. mike g says:

    Very excited….

    About the addition of Halpern. I’ve followed him a little throughout his career. I used to watch alot of Caps games back when Jagr went there, because as you all know Jaromir was the man for me.

    Anyways, very smart player overall. He may have lost a little speed, but a smart player will always adjust his game properly. One thing I always liked about him, and you can see this very well in the video, is that he has a thing for scoring late-game goals. Check it out in the video, and you’ll see how many of his goals come in the 3rd period. I’m not saying he’s clutch, but alot of his goals come from the dirty area infront of the net or in the goalers crease, often the result of a broken play or a rebound.

    Metro was good for us last year, but late in the season it looked like he got hit by a truck. I really think Jeff will replace him, and also take away some PK time from Pleks as some suggested.

    So for 600k…..shoot inside.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  64. Puck Bard says:

    1. Tell you after the first 10 games

    2. Not a problem. Someone always gets injured.

    3. Not me.

    4. He’s not my pick. I’d take about 4-5 others first.

    5. Patriotes

  65. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Re: Halpern: Probably mentioned below… but I would have preferred Guerin at $1M.

    Ran into PJ Stock at Fairview on Sunday… he’s a good guy who took some time to talk about his kids.

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  66. habfan53 says:

    How can you take the guy seriously when he thinks Denis Savard invented the spin-a rama.??

    As for the Francis / Lafleur number , would you rather fill the seats or win championships OHHH thats Lafleur on both counts.

  67. Rugger says:

    1. Silver maybe, good signing but not Gold.

    2. not at all, 1 player does not keep a handful down on the farm.  If they are ready, they will push their way on.

    3. who?

    4. neither, he’s not great, he’s very good.  I expect better this year because I expect fewer top 6 injuries.

    5. Pacifiers

  68. longtimehabsfan says:

    I would look at it as follows:  Guy Lafleur was clearly the best player on Cup teams that featured at least 10 Hall of Famers.  You cannot say the same about Ron Francis and the teams he played for.

  69. LA Loyalist says:

    It’s an apples and oranges comparison and thus ridiculous and not worthy of discussion.

    While Francis is a highly admirable player and anyone would want him, Lafleur was unique and should be honored as such.

    Here’s a bad analogy – what’s a better car? A Porsche 911 or a 7 Series BMW? They are two totally different things and no one would compare them that way.


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  70. SmartDog says:


    1. Arpon’s article makes a good case that the Halpern signing is a shrewd one in a couple of ways.  What do you think? Does PG get a gold star for this one?

    2. Doh!… but the Halpern signing has a down side. It also makes it very unlikely that a handful of hopeful prospects will make it out of Hamilton this year.  How big a problem is this?

    3. Does anyone really give a rat’s ass about PJ Stock?

    4. Scott Gomez our top fantasy pick?  Pulleeaaassseee. In MY fantasy, Scott Gomez still plays for the Rangers. But I digress….  But for those of you who believe in him more than I do (I think that’s most of you) is Gomez a case for “the numbers lie” (because his numbers don’t even approach greatness), or “the best is yet to come”?

    5. If Quebec has a hockey team and it’s NOT called the Nordiques, what would you call it?



    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  71. LA Loyalist says:

    Gomez at #40? That proves it’s a fantasy league.


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  72. avatar_58 says:

    I withhold judgement of Halpern until I see the man play a few dozen games. I yelled at him for trading for Moore, boy was I wrong. Who knows right?

  73. derfab says:

    Francis was an excellent two-way centre who used his smarts to hang on for 4 or 5 years past his due date.

    Lafleur is one of the greatest wingers in nhl history who wouldn’t compromise and was forced out 4 or 5 years early.

    No real comparison.

  74. longtimehabsfan says:

    Ron Francis better than The Flower?  Only if you watched both of them play with your eyes closed.  Realistically, that list could have been dominated by Habs players. 

  75. derfab says:

    A discount upgrade from Metro who can win face-offs. Bad knees (?). Signing D’Arche looks even weirder now. Since the bottom six is busier with solid old vets, the young guys will be looking up past them.

  76. The Capitalist Pig says:

    Ron Francis was better than Guy Lafleur? To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, it is better to never put pen to paper and be thought stupid than to do so and remove all doubt!

    If anything, the fact that he ended his career in a Maple Leaf jersey should have disqualified him from consideration.

  77. gloveside says:

    As much as I loved The Flower, I have to agree that Francis was an all-around better player. For the short time Guy rampaged through the NHL scoring in bunches and setting the Forum afire, he was one of the best I had ever seen. But when hockey changed, Guy could not change with it. When asked to take on a different role on the team, he couldn’t or wouldn’t. Players like Francis and Yzerman did whatever needed to be done – score a goal, no problem; set up a big play, again no problem; backcheck and play some defense, again no problem. Lafleur was one of the most stylish and most skilled offensive players to ever play the game, but for all-around better player, I’d have to go with Ronnie Franchise. don’t shoot the messenger.

  78. HabFanSince72 says:


    Lafleur’s carer was shortened by a knee injury.

  79. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hockey changed? The 80s was one of the most obscene eras in the NHL when it came to scoring. Knee injuries slowed down Guy more than anything, that and Lemaire beginning his war on interesting hockey.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  80. Rice Miller says:

    You should change your name to ‘Glueside’, because that’s what you must be sniffing.

  81. HabFanSince72 says:

    We’ve been waiting for 20 years for new hospitals in Montreal (the Royal Vic was built in the 19th century – Hotel Dieu was  when this town was still called Ville Marie). Each of the two new health centres would require approx. 3 times what the govt has agreed to give for a new Colisée.

    People are funny.


  82. LA Loyalist says:


    That’s what you get in the workers’ paradise of Quebec – bread and circuses to distract everyone from the fact that there are no new hospitals.

    Much as I would LOVE to see a Nordiques team back (the games against Habs were classic) no way should the government pay for it beyond maybe donating land. Isn’t that what lotto’s were supposed to be for.

    Anyway, the dark prince Gary won’t let Quebec City have a team. It’s too bad.



    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  83. JD_ says:

    People aren’t funny.

    Voters are funny.

  84. otter649 says:

    His career was shortened by coach Jacques Lemaire……..lol

  85. gloveside says:

    That’s ultimately true.

  86. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Not complete nonsense. Yzerman was robbed of his speed with a knee injury and he turned himself into a great two-way player.

    Having said that, of course I would have picked Lafleur over Francis as the best #10. Francis was a very good two-way player with longevity. Lafleur was a 3-time art ross trophy winner with 6 consecutive years of 120+ points.

  87. Watsatheo says:

    I am corunguneee for what it’s worth lol.

  88. Mike Boone says:

    Dude, I can’t keep track of multiple aliases!

  89. Harani says:

    A side note on the Halpern move, Pierre Gauthier has kind of increased the hotness on the team by a teeny tiny bit (nothing beats Frankenstein himself). Here’s a pic! A poor man’s Mike Fisher?

  90. adam76 says:

    THIS is why men have a hard time respecting women sports fans.  Just FYI.

  91. Natrous says:

    More importantly, Andrei Kostitsyn has been named the best player to ever wear #46

  92. Lafrich says:

    Between 1974-1983, and about 600-700 games, Guy was arguably the most dangerous, most skilled, and best player on the ice no matter who was out there.

    Can you say that for even 1 game for Ron Francis?

  93. SeriousFan09 says:

    That’s why Lafleur wins, he dominated an era of hockey. Francis was a very good and sometimes great player, but he could not dominate like Lafleur. Until Gretzky, no man hit 1000 points in the NHL as fast as Guy did.

    People too obsessed with career numbers is why these things come up.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  94. sholi2000.com says:

    Huge poolie here.  Monkeys can do a better job than what TSN’s Cullen just projected.

    No Cammalleri and he has The Leafs goalies playing 88 games.  Thanks for the chuckle.

    They Call Me Shane

  95. JIMVINNY says:

    Boone, that hit by Liambis was brutal, no question.  But there’s also no question that the kid saw him coming, and turned away from the contact at the very last second.  By that point, the hit was happening, no matter what.  Liambis could have let up, and definitely should have, but that kid was getting hurt either way, because he chose to make himself more vulnerable. 


    Liambis became the scapegoat for dirty hits, and the rest is history. 

  96. The Capitalist Pig says:

    Did the Whalers with Francis ever beat the Habs in the playoffs?

  97. Rice Miller says:

    Did the Whalers with Francis ever win anything?

  98. gloveside says:

    Are you serious? You of all people asking that question when you spent the better part of the summer telling me and this forum that one player does not a team make. Again with the flip-flop when it suits your argument Big D.

  99. B says:

    Why the double standard? Men often make such comments about female athletes they consider attractive.

  100. adam76 says:

    No one watches female sports so that is a moot point.  

  101. B says:

    Thank you for sharing these opinions of yours. I don’t agree with them, but I do often find some peoples alternative perspectives to be, well, let’s just say interesting.

  102. Watsatheo says:

    Haha no worries. 

  103. habaddict_andy says:

    Remember this fight between Josh and Avery?  Although Josh fell first, I’d say he had better punches on Avery.


  104. Mattyleg says:

    Great scrap!

    I’d say Georges landed the best of them, which is why Avery felt like he had to showboat afterwards, to try to convince the crowd he’d won when he hadn’t.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  105. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I like that 4th line Basu suggests (Moen-Halpern-Boyd), that’s some serious grit and should go a long ways to shutting up the dummies posting on tsn.ca who continue with the dumb “Montreal are small and weak” talking point.

    I’d still think I’d rather Pacioretty on a third line with Eller-Lapierre instead of Pyatt/Darche. If I had to guess I’d think that a good preseason by Pacioretty would make Pyatt the 13th forward and Darche a very well compensated Bulldog :)

  106. Mark C says:

    Now that’s a 4th line that can take a regular shift, and give the team a good 10 minutes plus of 5 on 5 play, with a potential of 30 plus goals as a unit.

  107. G-Man says:

    Pacioretty probably will not make the club this season. Too steep a hill to climb. Besides, he really isn’t that good.

  108. Harani says:

    Tony Marinaro tweets that Benoit Pouliot put on 11lbs. He wants to play with Gomez & Gionta. If Pouliot doesn’t improve consistency & defensive play..he won’t last. 

    I like the fact that he’s taken the iniatiative and realizes that he’s important to them and is trying to make it work. He would have to be good!


  109. HabFanSince72 says:

    Puttin on 11lbs in the summer is easy.

  110. Mark C says:

    Thanks Harnai for passing that along. Those 11lbs. bring Pouloit to 6’3″ and 210lbs., the added weight/muscle should go a long way to making Benny stronger on the puck and moving him closer to reaching his vast potential. I think his defense made improvements last season, and being on a line with Gomez and Gio should help him to better focus his defensive effort. It’s all going to come down to consistency and giving a full effort for Benny this season. He has the skill, line mates, and situation to become a productive player, just needs get mentally prepared and give a full effort.

  111. Mats Naslund says:

    More important than the 11 pounds is the fact that he is mentally aware that to make the first line he’s going to need to get physically involved. The muscle will help, but consciously playing the role that is required will bring the biggest change in results.

  112. likehoy says:

    i don’t care so much for pouliot getting better defensively…he could be the worst player defensively in the league but if he scores 40 goals, i’ll be happy… (see: phil kessel, ilya kovalchuk)

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  113. mike g says:


    Now it’s official, the Lightning are winning the Cup this year…



    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  114. shiram says:

    With all the talk of bringing back the Nordiques to Québec, it got me wondering. Everyone talks about bringing the Nordiques back, but even if Québec would get a team, wouldnt the Nordique name and all things related still be attached to the Colorado Nordiques??

    If so that would mean a new name for the Quebec team… i vote for the Québec City Poutine.

  115. Mattyleg says:

    Must try harder.

    I think it’ll be Le National, like in Lance et Compte.

    It’ll be the ‘Mighty Ducks’ of Quebec.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  116. Mattyleg says:

    I don’t agree with all this “money should be building hospitals” nonsense.

    Money is building hospitals. There are other things that government money should be used for, and professional sport is one of them. Why?

    Because it boosts the economy. Think of all the people hired by the new arena.

    Think of how, here in Montreal, the bars fill up with fans during every game. Consider how much the bar is making, and how they have to hire more staff to manage game-nights. Think of how many cases of beer are bought watching the game at home. Think of how many packs of cigarettes are chain-smoked during playoff runs.

    Then think of all the tax money for these things, plus the tickets, plus the advertisements, plus the tv rights, plus plus plus.

    I’m sorry that the Quebec Government didn’t step in to save the Expos.

    They claimed that they needed money for hospitals. Six years later, still no hospitals, and no money generated by the pro team.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  117. Everlasting1 says:

    Think about what a neanderthal you are. Way to set priorities in your community.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  118. HabFanSince72 says:

    Economists have totally debunked the “pro sports teams generate income for the community” fallacy. All they do is generate income for the owners.

  119. Chuck says:

    I’d worry more about filling in the potholes so that ambulances could get patients to the hospitals in one piece.

  120. G-Man says:

    What a load. Professional sports TAKES money out of the city and distributes it to millionaires who live abroad.

    Big whoop, working part time at an arena for near minimum wage! Big whoop- bar owners making money and they’re not a strip club.

    I am super glad the Expos were allowed to die- the 5000 that would show up for the games might disagree, but they are only 5000 out of a city with 3million people.

    Pro teams cost- look at Percival Molson Stadium. That cost us a lot of money for a franchise that LOSES money every year.

    Money will always be needed for IMPORTANT things, like hospitals, schools and yes, the pitiful roads. Usingthat money to fatten Peladeau’s pockets? No effing way!

    If Molson Centre can be built w/o the taxpayer, why not the new Colisée?

  121. mike g says:

    Why not use the money to build new roads?

    Because with new roads, we create new cities, which creates more jobs and more spending and more tax money, etc…

    Why not use the money to build schools?

    Because with new schools, you get out of town students who pay rent, and buy groceries, and spend spend spend, etc….

    Anything you use money for will always have a trickle-down effect. The problem is I’m sick and tired of driving in NDG where my girlfriend lives, and listening to my suspension bust more and more. The streets all around MTL are on life support. The city needs so many things to be done, and yet we find it appropriate to GIVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to RICH people?

    Is the gov’t serious? Were gonna give our hard earned money to someone who’s got about 100 times the amount of money were giving him? And all this for what, so that he can make even more money?!!!!

    I’m sorry, there’s a mistake somewhere in that proposal. It’s the like US gov’t giving a billion dollars to already billionaire Donald Trump, so he can build himself another building.

    No thank you. If Peladeau or Pedalo wants a team in QC, make him spend his own billions of dollars. I ain’t giving any of my money to a millionaire.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  122. punkster says:

    I’d try to make the argument without mentioning booze and smokes. The health costs of those two alone kind of blows your theory. I doubt all the taxes recovered from their annual sales associated with hockey could match the health care costs they generate.


  123. observer says:

    No federal funding for Quebec City arena says Stockwell Day; Sask. government confident in its Regina stadium plans



    REGINA — The provincial government isn’t brushing aside comments made by federal Treasury Board President Stockwell Day about a new arena for Quebec City, but does not believe they will have a bearing on the proposed multi-purpose entertainment facility for Regina.

    On Friday, Day told reporters in Montreal that Quebec City shouldn’t expect the federal government to help fund a new arena in order to lure an NHL franchise back to the city.

    Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/sports/federal+funding+Quebec+City+arena+says+Stockwell+Sask+government+confident/3452536/story.html#ixzz0yyVSlXC9

  124. D Alcorn says:

    I am a huge fan of all teams Montréal, and that included the Expos.  This being said, my interest in MLB pretty much dropped off the map when it yanked the team out of town.  I was at their first-ever home opener at Parc Jarry 40+ years ago and have to admit that I wish somebody or something, private, public or whatever, had stepped up to keep them in Montréal, where they belong.  And I have no problem with the rest of your observations, BTW.

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

  125. adam76 says:

    How about they cut taxes and lets us pay for our owe wants and needs?

  126. Chorske says:

    If I were the Molsons, I’d call up Charest and have a wee chat with him.

  127. Gil says:

    I think the better plan would be to talk to the NHL about it


    Make the Cap system adjusted for local tax rates.


    So, for example, if 5 million in Quebec might be worth 4 million in a tax free area, thats a 25% difference


    So let the cap in the tax free area stay at the flat cap rate of (again, example) 60 million, and in Montreal, where the tax rate is 25%, they have an adjusted cap of 75 Million.


    In this way, the normal (or tax-included) salaries in different cities might be way out of whack, but the real (tax-adjusted) Salary is equal.




    Simple, and totally skirts around the contentious tax issue.

    Only issue then is the oh so poor molsons not wanting to dish out more money than other places

  128. Storm Man says:

    I would think the Molson’s should ask for the 10 mil in taxs paid for the bell centre per year should be void now.

  129. habaddict_andy says:

    I also loved the team’s reaction when Markov got a stick in the face.

  130. shiram says:

    Well i was joking about the name, but i gather thats my reasoning was correct in that the Nordique name was tied up with the Colorado Avalanches?

  131. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, I’m not sure about that. I imagine it is. That would be an interesting dilemma! All the ‘bring the Nordiques back’ rallies, and in the end, they can’t come back anyway!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  132. pic1983 says:

    I think you’re right.  Minnesota’s team now is the Wild, they didnt use Northstars when expanded in Minny once again, probably because the rights to the northstars are owned by the dallas stars.  I would assume that the same thing would apply to the Nordique name.  It is probably the property of the avalanche.

  133. Mattyleg says:

    I’m not sure about that, HFS. All those tax dollars? You can’t really say that the Canadiens haven’t generated a lot of money for Montreal.

    There are SO many people out watching games in bars when the game’s on, compared to when there’s no game…

    I agree that in a sports-saturated market, one more team doesn’t make that much difference. Or like with baseball, there are so many games that nobody cares.

    Hockey in Quebec, on the other hand…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  134. Everlasting1 says:

    It doesn’t boost the economy, it only makes fat cats fatter, and there are no shortage of barkeeps either. No, healthcare and hospitals is not a money making venture, but it employs more than you know. The only ones cashing in are the corrupt pharmaceutical companies.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  135. HabFanSince72 says:

    It may be that the Canadiens generate money in QC because of the high tax they pay. The study dealt with US franchises, which typically pay very little tax, in fact many actually get subsidies from the city (e.g. Phoenix).

  136. GrimJim says:

    The Bell Centre may generate a significant amount of tax dollars for Montreal but only because it’s privately owned. A publicly owned arena, like I think they are suggesting for QC, wouldn’t generate any property tax since the City would be the owner.

    Likewise the economists who question the pro sports simulate the economy theory do so because they say the money would be spent in some other way and have the same effect. The money you spend to watch pro sports is entertainment dollars. If there was no pro sport, would you spend the money on a movie instead? Would you go to the bar on 10 cent wing night instead of hockey night? Would you spend the $100 on jeans instead of a new uni? Economy gets the same benefit either way.

  137. Gil says:

    That actually was my Masters paper, Focused on NHL team and thier effects on local economies



  138. pic1983 says:

    Dude, you pretty much need a reservation a few days in advance if you want to watch the game at CAGE AU SPORTS in this city.  CAGE AU SPORTS, not even a good restaurant!!! That place is packed on habs game night just like the bar area of any restaurant in this city that has a TV are packed on game night, you’re telling me they arent pulling in tax dollars? Or the restaurants around the bell center arent pulling in money on game night? Hockey definitely generates an immense amount of revenue and tax dollars for this city.  Now, of course, theres no guarantee that a new franchise in quebec city would do for that city what the habs do for montreal.

    That being said, I do agree that the federal government shouldnt subsidize an arena in quebec city, and neither should the provincial. 

  139. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’m not an expert but the idea is that that discretionary spending would get spent on other things.

  140. Mattyleg says:

    I don’t think you read my post, friend.

    I said ‘hospitals are being built’. Then I talked about how… just read it.

    And don’t call people names. It’s rude and it makes you seem less smart than you possibly are.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  141. SLONCOLD says:

    11lbs of poutine lol

  142. Jordio-oh says:

    Especially since players are known to shed (some or most) that after two months of season play. Some guys get enormous through the off-season (see the bio-steel vids of our boys) but then tend to trim down once the frequency of rigorous on-ice training begins.

  143. nunacanadien says:

    Say that to some 6’6 310 pound giant as if the additional 11 pounds would make any difference, it would be 11 pounds more that is being banged into the boards more like.  The only person who could be both short and to some degree not so heavy was Bouillon, but hey he still got knocked around regardless.

  144. Chuck says:

    It would be difficult for a non-existing team (or one that’s currently located in another city) to build an arena in Quebec. Pehaps a more palatable scenario would be for the Government to build it, then lease it back to the team as a way to recoup the cost for the taxpayers.

  145. Mattyleg says:

    The Big Whoops you are talking about reduce unemployment and thus, government spending.

    Because bar owners make money, tax is generated.

    As for the Expos, it was only after Loria et al had run the team into the ground that there were so few fans.

    But I shouldn’t have to say all these things, because they are so elementary.

    Like: Molson Centre was built while the team was still generating income. Quebec has no team to do that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  146. mike g says:


    Quebec may not have a team currently making money, but their future owner does.

    Actually, he has an extreamly deep pocket that can build 100 arenas. So how he qualifies for gov’t aid is ridiculous.

    Instead of giving money to rich people, I’d rather see the gov’t drop those millions off of an airplane in downtown MTL.

    We would spend it anyways, so they’d make it back in taxes, you know…

    Help those who need help, not those who don’t.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  147. Habsrule1 says:

    So far off about the Expos. The fans kept coming until they finally had enough of the fire sales. I have been to at least a dozen games with over 40,000 fans so the city loved baseball. So, had they just tried to keep some players after 1994, the fans would have kept coming. Not to mention the fact that a downtown stadium would have brought out even more fans. the proof is right there at Molson Stadium. 5000 fans at the Big O, and 20,000 to 25,000 every game since.

    Tonnes of jobs were lost due to baseball leaving and tonnes will be gained if the Nordiques come back. then there’s all the other aspects of the economy. Having a major league sports team is never a bad thing, if run properly.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  148. Mark C says:

    Don’t sleep on Max’s upside, remember we’ve only seen him play in the NHL as 19 and 20 year old.

  149. HabFanSince72 says:

    In the last 6 years (USHL, NCAA, AHL, NHL) Max has managed to put the puck in the net all of 50 times (in 238 games).

    He’s scored 8 in 55 games for the Bulldogs.

    David Desharnais scored 4 times as many goals per game as Max Pac in the AHL.

    For an attacker, that doesn’t bode well.



  150. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Max seems to be more effective when he plays a high-speed, north-south, power forward style game. For long stretches last year he seemed to disappear into the periphery.

    Oddly, near the end of his tenure in Mtl last year I saw some glimpses of him playing that.

    Hopefully we’ll see a highly motivated Pacioretty in camp – I continue to think we need significant contributions from at least three of Pouliot, Kostitsyn, Eller, Pacioretty, Lapierre in order to be successful this year.

  151. Mark C says:

    For starters you are looking at one singular aspect of his game. I’ll admit the ability to score is the biggest weakness in his game. I can only find his stats dating back to Sioux City in 2006-07, not sure where you got six years worth of stats, anyway his goal scoring in his last USHL and first NCAA seasons here fine, remember he was one of the youngest players on each team. So, his lack of goal scoring has become an issue as a 19 and 20 year old in the NHL and AHL, which to me isn’t an issue, yet.

    His play making and passing ability should help to compensate for his lack of scoring. Even if the scoring never comes for Max, to date he has proving himself to be an at least adequate 3rd liner. Given his age, that bodes very well. 25 points in 85 NHL games is very good for a players 19 and 20 year old seasons.     


  152. nunacanadien says:

    When your an average skinny, of course you disappear into the wood work literally…..geeze, add maxpac to all the other habs who disappear into the woodwork of the boards literally too…..no wonder there is so much emphasis on our goalies, you would have thought Gauthier would have figured that out by now.  When your players are basically spending half the game being plastered into the boards and heck, the Bell Centre probably has the blood sweat and tears literally of our smurfs, it has me wondering, maybe we should do an expose of those classic board moments of our highly paid smurfs.

  153. Mattyleg says:

    Hmm. Touché.

    Well, about the smokes. Alcohol in moderation has been proven..blahblahblah.


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  154. Everlasting1 says:

    Smokers and drinkers have it covered as they are the highest taxpayers for a reason.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  155. Chuck says:

    Hmmm… perhaps we could “weed” out another legal vice that could be taxed, while not putting as “high” a burden on the healthcare system. Maybe a “joint” committee could come up with something.

  156. Gil says:

    I think we should “pass that around” and see how much interest we can garner :)

  157. LA Loyalist says:

    We’re going through that in Los Angeles right now and they’ve just shut down hundreds of “medical” pot outlets – mostly run by Mexican gangsters. Pot is California’s largest crop – bigger than avocados, tasteless strawberries and hollywood ditch pigs put together.

    In short, it’s a huge mess, but inevitably I think it will be legalized because a) they need the tax revenue b) it’s the only way to cut out the Mexican gangsters who run everything.

    I don’t really have an opinion about it, I just think it’s inevitable.

    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  158. Mattyleg says:

    Quebec can’t build proper roads, silly!

    And no amount of money will make it learn!

    I guess they’re too proud to ask Ontario how they manage it…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  159. D Alcorn says:

    … and Vermont, and New York State, and …

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

  160. mike g says:

    That’s not my point….

    My point is the gov’t is gonna help someone fund their own private enterprise, when the guy doens’t even need the help.

    Meanwhile hose who need help, like the homeless people and those who’ve lost their jobs recently, get sweet F-all..

    And that makes sense how?


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  161. Mattyleg says:

    I know.

    There’s no justice in the world.

    Pro sports are just another opiate for the masses, as I’m sure you know, and it distracts the people who’ve recently lost their jobs from the grim reality of their situations.

    I don’t want to see a team in Quebec, anyway. It’ll mean that RDS will have to split their loyalties.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  162. Chuck says:

    I’d be more into opium for the masses.


  163. Everlasting1 says:

    If we could just have the T3s 😛


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  164. pic1983 says:

    Quebec cant build proper roads because we dont use the proper materials.  Quebec is so corrupt its ridiculous.  I love how a projected $200 million metro extension to laval becomes $1 billion project.  The stories I have heard about construction corruption in quebec make me sick.  When you look at how much taxes quebec takes in, and than look at the quality of our infrastructure and services, corruption is the only answer. 

  165. gloveside says:

    True, the knee injuries did slow Guy down, but unlike Yzerman (I think someone already mentioned him), who after a number of knee issues, was able to change his game and provide the grit and leadership his team needed. When Lemaire insisted that because Guy wasn’t the speedster he once was, that he learn where his own end was, he retired instead. Don’t get me wrong, Guy in his prime was one of the greatest goal scorers I have ever seen, but as an “all-around” player, I’d still go with Francis.

  166. TorontoHabsFan says:

    And 10 mins/game of effective 4th line play could potentially reap big dividends in the stretch drive when the top two lines are less fatigued.



  167. Gil says:

    Because some of those with needs that can’t afford them should get them as well, maybe before some frivolous needs like a billionaire looking for a handout.

    Taxes are like Robin Hood. Just more bureaucratic, less direct, and not always as effective. But the poor do get some help.  

  168. adam76 says:

    If I actually paid my taxes, I would be so upset with all the waste.

  169. HabFanSince72 says:

    You’d build your own roads?

  170. Gil says:

    I’ll agree with that. Redundancy, incompetency, and all the lobbying etc ends up just wasting so much money. But a lot of public resources NEED to be public. Education, Healthcare, Transportation, and the like. Otherwise, those that need the resources can’t always afford it.


  171. mbplekfan says:

    TSN’s fantasy projections are always way off.

    Gomez should lead our team and probably deserves to sit around 40th.

    Where they go wrong is with Pleks, Cammaleri, Gionta and Subban.

    Pleks and Cammaleri wont be far behind Gomez and Subban based on his projections from last year could be anywhere around the 50-60 point mark.

    When we see what Subban did in the two regular season games and the playoffs he is better than .5 ppg.

    We have only seen Subban against elite playoff teams. Lets see what he can do against the bottom feeders and also rans.

  172. WarHero says:

    Pleks will have more pts then Gomez.


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  173. pic1983 says:

    Interesting concept, but how does it work if the player is traded? I guess you could go by “net” salary, but that seems like it would become extremely complicated. 

  174. Gil says:

    Actually its really, really simple. Everything is built into the system by simple adjustment measures already in place for the cap.


    From the example:

    If I a player is in Montreal, He’s paid 5 million, gets taxed, and receives 4 million in salary.
    Montreal, in turn, has a cap hit of 5 million dollars to their (from above) 75 million adjusted cap. This comes to a total of 15% against their Salary cap.

    Lets say he gets traded to the Tax free Sports team.

    The player is now in a tax free area. His salary is adjusted to compensate for the tax difference. Now, he is paid 4 million dollars. His take home? It’s the same; no tax = 4 million dollars in salary
    The Tax free team has a cap of 4 million dollars to thier (again, see above) 60 million dollar adjusted cap. This comes out to be *Ba DUM DUM DUM* a total of 15% against their salary cap.


    Like I said….really, really simple. The players would love it. No matter where they get traded to, their salary stays the same. No figuring out which is worth more where at Free agency time, nothing. 

    Its the Millionaire/Billionaire owners who will whine about having to pay more…..

  175. derfab says:

    I like it but fear that such tax credits make too much sense. Only net pay should count against the cap.

    Or, from another angle, given the fact that the players move around so much and are de facto employees of the nhl, why shouldn’t they be able to completely evade tax heavy cities like Montreal by choosing (like Gauthier)their residence or which league “office” they are paid from?

  176. GrimJim says:

    That would get horrendously complicated. Each state and prov has a different tax rate. Even in those states that don’t charge an income tax, the players still pay federal tax. Plus some US cities can and do impose income tax on workers. Some cities even impose income tax on players from visiting teams (” For example, in 1992 the city of Philadelphia began enforcing the collection of city wage taxes on visiting baseball players who played games in Philadelphia.[34]” wikipedia)   Add to that the fact that most gov’ts that I know of use Jan 1 as the date to change taw laws and rates, so the tax calc could change in the middle of the season.

  177. Gil says:

    I’m not quite sure how 30-ish values for tax rates is at all complicated but I’ll bite.

    For example, in 1992 the city of Philadelphia began enforcing the collection of city wage taxes on visiting baseball players who played games in Philadelphia.[34]” wikipedia

    Compensate stuff like that into the base cap calculation for each team. It’s honestly not that difficult.


    Add to that the fact that most gov’ts that I know of use Jan 1 as the date to change taw laws and rates, so the tax calc could change in the middle of the season.

    NHL uses escrow to compensate for differences in projected earnings and actual year end earnings. This’d be no different, or any more complicated to integrate.

  178. LA Loyalist says:

    Interesting. What about currency fluctuations? Are all NHL contracts denominated in USD$?


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  179. GrimJim says:

    Fair enough. Maybe it could work.

  180. GrimJim says:

    Yes, all contracts are US$.

  181. Mr-T says:

    Good idea, however it would create other problems. Some of your math calculations are incorrect in this and the post below.   


    Support Carey Price         “Hypocrisy is not a virtue”  

  182. derfab says:

    Some of those number picks are embarrasing. Besides the Francis over Lafleur idiocy, they have Denis Savard over Serge Savard and Scott Niedermayer over Frank Mahovlich.

    Serge was second only to Bobby Orr until he broke his leg a second time.

    As to Niedermayer’s “greatest” skating, (admittedly nearly as strong as Coffey or Gainey in that dept.) on a team that won because it stopped everyone from skating, the T.O. nhl boys would be wise to check out some film of their very own Big M in the 59-67 period where, before Orr,  he looked like he was the only guy who could skate.

    Hell, for his play against the Russians, I’d even take Sittler over Niedermayer.

    The Tiger Williams inclusion is clownish. At least Fergie for cripes sakes.

  183. LA Loyalist says:

    Frank Mahovolich was a beautiful skater, really smooth, I saw him often as a ute. Leaf fans boo’d him as they thought he wasn’t trying, which shows you what they know. 


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  184. mbplekfan says:

    If AK gets his head out of his nether region he could pot some goals and boost Pleks numbers up to around 70.

    Fantasy pools are all about finding the under acheiver who is about to break out. I would take Pleks in a heartbeat and would take a flyer on Subban with a late round pick.

    I didnt see Pouliot on the list at all, maybe i missed it.

  185. WarHero says:

    Dude, Pleks had 70 pts last year with revolving wingers.

    Imagine what he will do with if Cammy remains heatlhy and AK wakes up.


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  186. mbplekfan says:

    Now that we have some effective NHL calibre checkers who can handle penalty kills Pleks should get more 5-5 ice time.

    If Cammaleri stays healthy and AK gets the 35 goals he is paid for then I could see Pleks getting over 80 pts. But realistically I think that’s a high projection.

  187. likehoy says:

    how many players in the NHL are paid 3.25 million to score 35 goals??

    freaking alex kovalev is making 5 million to score 18 goals!

    bobby ryan scored 35 two years in a row and he’s looking for over 4.5 million.

    phil kessel scored 30 something 2 years in a row and is making 5.5 million.

    3.25 should get at least 25 goals and andrei has gotten around that amount for 2 years, and would have hit that amount if he had not been injured last year.

    andrei’s just inconsistent, but numerically, he’s just about where a 3.25 million$ player would be…between 25g and 50 points. 

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  188. pic1983 says:

    you just talked WAY to much sense for this website sir

  189. likehoy says:

    well in terms of salary, AK hasn’t really failed to meet it…he’s just failed to meet his potential and we tend to judge potential a lot more than it’s worth in montreal.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  190. mbplekfan says:

    Kovalev is vastly overpaid. I cant imagine Ottawa is happy with that contract at all.

    Kessel had poor wingers.

  191. likehoy says:

    kessel’s a winger…but that doesn’t deny the fact that the most recent 50 goal scorers in the league are making 7-8 million per season…

    30 goals will gets you 5 million and up in this market.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  192. LA Loyalist says:

    yeah, cut it out. Plus you’re not allowed to use a calculamator. You have to do it on your fingers and toes.


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  193. The Big O says:

    I hope Martin uses his resources a little better this year.  With Halpern now, he should be using Halpern, Lapierre, Moen, Pyatt and Boyd on his penalty kill and save guys like Pleks, and Gomez for the offensive side of the game instead of overplaying them with the PK.  I think we have some capable guys to do the PK and 3 centers if needed, Halpern, Boyd and Lapierre.

  194. likehoy says:

    not necessarily…we can still use guys like gionta and pleks as PKers to keep the pointmen honest cause if they cough up the puck, gionta and pleks can bury it…it’s a different strategy and it’s worked for us before, and it has worked for many other teams.

    nothing against the other 5 players you mentioned, but none of them will strike fear in the eyes of the opposition.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  195. mbplekfan says:

    Its amazing how the we lost great players for nothing chatter has died away.

    I dont see anyone clamouring to bring back Ryder, Tanguay, Kovalev, Streit and Souray anymore.

    Maybe, just maybe, mgmt made the right decisions regarding those players.

    Chris Higgins is struggling to stay in the NHL and Komisarek is vastly overpaid in Toronto.

  196. likehoy says:

    i wouldn’t want any of those players back, but i would like somehow to get 3-4 million back in our salary cap. 

    that was the cost of losing some of those players.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  197. observer says:

    are you saying gainey blundered when he sent a #1 and a #2 for tanguay who merely played months here? and that gainey was a fool for not trading the others away at the trade deadline or before to at least replace them or get some future picks in return? because that is exactly what you are saying. btw- not trading ryder but benching him and getting zilch for him who bruins then thought was worth millions. note- ryder leading scorer that year against flyers so he was benched for the entire philly series that habs lost in 5. note-2 – higgins trade took gomez 7 million cap hit off sather’s hands enabling him to sign gaborik who scored over 40 goals and 80 points PLUS habs also sent the a #1 pick defenseman who will play this year for the rangers as well.

  198. mbplekfan says:

    That salary cap money is easy to find. Just trade Plekanec for a few draft picks and voila. Cap space.

  199. derfab says:

    Agreed, but just to keep the chatterers a chatterin’:

    Koivu is the obvious exception. Streit is decent.  Kovalev hasn’t been replaced. Higgins is still young and is getting a deserved second chance with Florida.

  200. likehoy says:

    higgins isn’t that young anymore, he’s 27 and should be in the prime of his career.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  201. HardHabits says:

    oh woe is me, we’re screwed I tells ya, how could this be, call 911 quick

  202. likehoy says:

    mcdonagh was never picked 12th, not #1….at any rate mcdonagh’s not going to be a game-breaker, he was just going to be a solid dman.

    gomez fits our team much more than gaborik would, and if you look at it, did the rangers make the playoffs with that 40gaol scoring gaborik?

    gomez’s 12 goals got us to the playoffs, and the ECF. funny how those things work out.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  203. mbplekfan says:

    The trade for Tanguay was a huge mistake.

    If you trade away those players at the deadline in the years you suggest who would have taken the icetime and how would the team have won any games?

    You still have to play the rest of the season after the trade deadline. You cant just throw players away and call up your farm team to finish the season.

  204. Mark C says:

    re: Ryder – that’s an outright lie, Ryder had two points that season vs. Philly, both Kovy and Markov had 3 points in one of those games.

  205. forskis says:

    Hmm..Gaborik was signed for 7MM and put up 40+ goals and 80+ points and the Rangers made the playoffs…wait, what do you mean they didn’t?  I thought the Rangers made the playoffs and not the Canadiens because the Rangers no longer had Gomez’s cap hit?

    The Habs also got Tom Pyatt who did not help out the 3rd line at all in the playoffs that the Canadiens did not make.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  206. Habonic Plague says:

    Agree with the comments on Halpern being a hybrid Moore/Metro – but after looking at the clip I would throw in a little MAB too.  The guy likes to take the slapshot – so I would not be surprised to see him at the point on the PP.  Especially if Mr. Markov is out at the start of the season.

    Halpern = Moore/Metro/MAB = Face-off Man/PP/PK/Shut Down Guy = $600K.  Very good sign by PG.

  207. andrewberkshire says:

    I’d still take Streit back over Hamrlik or Spacek.

  208. WarHero says:

    Dude, I loved Kovy, but Cammy has replaced him for sure AND Cammy gives a consistent effort EVERY night, not just when he feels like it.


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  209. likehoy says:

    definitely not in my case.

    hamrlik is much more solid on defense and is 6’2 and doesn’t get pushed around…albeit has slowed down in the last 2 seasons, but the first 2 years of his contract were well played.

    spacek offers much more defensively than streit with a lesser point shot. would you have relied on streit to stuff ovechkin in the playoffs? i wouldn’t dare put them on at the same time, especially when streit gets bullied in his own zone, spacek’s got a bit of robustness in him.

    i don’t miss streit’s point shot…we found some cheap alternatives to it, and we still have options going forward.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  210. Say Ash says:

    Everyone’s saying how he’ll replace Jagr on ther PK but based one those clips, there’s definately a good chance he’ll be on the power play. That highlight reel was nearly all one-time slappers – and he’s a righty! Love it.

    My only question is if Halpern is indeed such hot spit, how come it took until September for him to find a home?

  211. Say Ash says:

    And spacek played a lot last year on the wrong side, didn’t he?

  212. trembl27 says:

    I was lucky at the package sales and got a 10 game pack, which is way more than I wanted.

    So I got 7 pairs of Club Desjardins (Section 206 row D ) for sale.   I know I’ll lose some money on the pre-season tickets and make some money on the others ( and try to make some on the Toronto game )

    I’d rather sell directly to a habs fan here then on ebay or a ticket broker.  Tickets cost 365 to 500 depending on optimum pricing.

    Preseason – Ottawa – Friday Sep 24th – 250$

    Opening night – Tampa Bay – Wed Oct 13th – 600$

    Philly – Tue Nov 16th – 400$

    Edmonton – Wed Dec 1st – 400$

    Atlanta – Sun Jan 2nd – 450$

    Florida Wed Feb 2th – 400$

    Toronto – Feb 24th – 700$


    I don’t mind selling for less if you take more than one ( or all of them ) !

    Feel free to contact me here or at trembl27 at hot mail dot com !


  213. likehoy says:

    also true.

    someone needs to compile a spacek highlight reel of stopping ovechkin. I couldn’t get enough of watching that on replays on RDS during the washington series.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  214. LA Loyalist says:

    … he played on the wrong side? And no one said anything to him? Isn’t that a coaching thing?


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  215. habs33 says:

    God damn I want to see some hockey! COME ON OCTOBER!



  216. since1988 says:

    did anyone see this on Twitter



    “I’ve got a pretty good idea who the next captain will be”, said Josh Gorges with a smile. http://bit.ly/chagqb(in French)

  217. adam76 says:

    I would love Streit back on this team, same with Kovalev if the price was right.

  218. since1988 says:

    sorry for the formatting

  219. likehoy says:

    i dunno if this is supposed to be a joke, i can’t tell

    but spacek played LD his whole career, as has hamrlik…but they were paired together and it was a laughing matter at the start of last season who would get to play LD and who would get RD. Spacek said he’s older so he deserves to play LD, but hamrlik said he’s played more games so he deserves the LD. hamrlik got LD, and spacek RD

    i would like to see subban + spacek and o’byrne with hamrlik, keeping gil and gorges together to start the year.

    when markov comes back, it’ll look like o’byrne will get the short-stick again

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  220. habs33 says:

    Wasn’t that awesome?! Spatch was worn out and you could tell he was sucking dirty pond water but he had one mission; to shut down Ovie. He went about his work quietly and dilligently but he got the job done.

    While we’re at it, let’s not forget Gill’s heroics or Gorges quiet leadership. Man, that defese corps really got it done, didn’t they?


  221. mike g says:

    Many very good UFA players are still unsigned….

    There are 2 reasons:

    – Mismanagement of the cap: Alot of teams spent their money in dumb ways over the past few years, and can’t offer decent contracts to decent players; Mike Comrie makin half a mill!

    – The Greed game, aka Kovalchuk. He alont caused the market to move slower


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  222. LA Loyalist says:

    Yeah nGomez’ 12 goals only cost approx $583,000 Cdn per. Was that a deal or what?

    And his 2 goals and 12 assists in the playoffs will sure get posted by somebody – except he ended up minus 6 in the playoffs. You need to do all the math, not just some of the math.

    Not that I’m bitter, but with Koivu instead of nGomez and a healthy Markov we could have beaten Philly.

    Funny how those things work out. 


  223. likehoy says:

    we couldn’t beat philly 3 years ago, and we couldn’t beat philly last year…we’d need more than just koivu and markov to do it…like having pittsburgh do it for us.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  224. LA Loyalist says:

    well I would never argue with that result :) if only we could arrange it!!


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  225. habaddict_andy says:

    Please don’t bring back (don’t feel like playing tonight) Kovalev.  Like I always say, Love his talent, amazing talent, but he needs to be re-energized every few days.

  226. avatar_58 says:

    If he’s referring to himself then cool beans. He’s captain material all the way. I hope they can lock Gorges up longterm.

  227. Say Ash says:

    Those things would go hand in hand, no?

  228. WarHero says:

    My vote still goes to Gionta :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  229. W35T5ID3 says:

       lol…so the leafs lack of ability to acquire a decent center or top 6 forward have given kaberle a try up front as a forward in some capacity….lol….truly laughable.Burke sucks.Leafs suck.Wilson sucks.Laugh Nation sucks.Kaberle sucks.Kessel sucks.The monster sucks.Well, you catch my drift.They suck.



    …..Kaberle at forward…lol…i guess they are taking a page outta the ‘ol Jacques Martin playbook.

  230. Danno says:

    Stop beating around the bush. Are you saying the Leafs suck?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  231. HaloHabsFan says:

    So glad to visit HIO and see a prime photo of a St Louis Blues player.  Perhaps we should have shipped Boone and his man crush off in the Halak trade as well.

    Any Habs related photos to post Mikey, or is it a slow day on the google image search?

  232. W35T5ID3 says:

    Dude…is that Mr October ??Brian Savage???Is that him in your Avatar?Man he was awesome.I loved that guy.Man i remember on long island when he potted like 4 or 5 goals.But its too bad he had nothing to show for the rest of the season.Just  in October he was lights out.

  233. W35T5ID3 says:

    ….I guess thats what i’m saying Danno….Can ya get that through your skull???



    ^^^^John Tortorella famous quote to a media guy after a tough loss….lol….Or its similar to that.lol

  234. WarHero says:

    No one would ever want to sign in MTL again if Gauthier was to trade Pleks just to create cap space after signing his extension


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  235. adamkennelly says:

    check out the proposed lines in Arpon’s blog.

    I hate em.  2 massive question marks in our top 6 in AK and BP and soft, small (and don’t start quoting weights) bottom 6.  I’m telling you folks, this team could be in for a very rude awakening – having tons of trouble scoring 5 on 5, getting beaten up and run around every freakin game and losing a lot.  This team is way too easy to play against, garners no respect from bigger opponents and with the size of our skilled guys – is not really built to play in the NHL.  Would likely stomp ass in Europe. 

  236. andrewberkshire says:

    I’m saying instead of one of the two of them. The biggest deficiency in the team last season was offense from the back end. Hamrlik and Spacek couldn’t get it going very well. I’m expecting more from them this season considering Markov won’t miss as much time and they won’t get all the tough jobs, but still, I’d definitely take Streit of Hamrlik any day of the week. Better offensively and despite what you’re claiming, comparable defensively. Streit does it all on Long Island and does it damn well.

    Streit has piled up 27 goals and 105 points in two seasons on Long Island, at a +6 overall. Thats on one of the worst teams in the NHL. Hamrlik by comparison has put up 12 goals and 59 points at +2 the last two seasons. Roughly half the production of Streit, for more money.

  237. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Aah c’mon Charles! Mr. Boone’s just showing a pic of Halak with his new equipment. You won’t get to see Jaro again until his next meeting in Montreal.

  238. showey47 says:

    Not bad for a guy who was drafted in the 8th round and went to school on a golf scholarship.

  239. andrewberkshire says:

    Anyone interested in a head2head Yahoo! hockey pool for HIO people send me an email. 12 team league, first come first serve (although the people who were in a pool with me last year will get priority if they want back in).

  240. MTLForever says:

    I thought I remember Kovalev saying that he would want to come back after his Ottawa deal. At least that is something that i thought I recall him saying, my buddies etc said he said that also. Don’t quote me on it though.

  241. namgel says:

    I Agree,  Halak did good for us….He is gone now.


    Lets leave that old chestnut alone and move on already…

  242. JasonM says:

    Jean Charest promises a Colisee? OH YEAH BABY! This is the first step… soon I’ll be a Nordiques Fan again. :)

  243. Bryan says:

    I’m down.  Send me the info.


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  244. Josh says:

    And the NHL is right, Francis was definitely a better player than Lafleur.

  245. andrewberkshire says:

    Send me an email to confirm and I’ll send over the information.

  246. LA Loyalist says:

    Gionta had a golf scholarship?


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  247. LA Loyalist says:

    I’m going to start putting a “joke” disclaimer on my jokes. Really.

    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  248. Bryan says:

    I’m getting an error from the site when I try to e-mail you.  Ho-hum.

    Edit:  There we go.  I eagerly await your reply.


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  249. slamtherimtim says:

    i wouldnt mind makin it my fourth

  250. andrewberkshire says:

    Replied to you, you’re locked in!

  251. andrewberkshire says:

    Send me an email and you’re in, there hasn’t been an avalanche of response yet due to it being suppertime.

  252. The Cat says:

    Maybe the Nords could find a way to get Halak!

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  253. Bill J says:

    He’s not french.  Not allowed to have Jaro.

    Sorry, your guy is Giguere from TO.


    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  254. Bill J says:

    Or until tomorrow when Boone posts another Jaro memorial thread.

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  255. SeriousFan09 says:

    Mike Comrie’s at league minimum because he’s had a crap attitude in his NHL career and tends to be a disappointment where he goes, oh and he’s a locker room problem.

    There were barely any good UFAs on July 1 anyway, it’s mostly a lot of very old men with old injuries slowing them down at this point and a few attitude cases.



    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  256. Bill J says:

    Huh ?

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  257. Bill J says:

    Your remembering correctly, I remember it too.

    Was a few days after signing the OTW deal… and before even playing one game for them.

    Funny stuff.

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  258. Storm Man says:

    I hope not.



    The main ingredient in stardom is the rest of the team.

  259. fuhgawz says:

    andrew i sent you an email — let me know if there is a place form me


    thanks man

  260. Storm Man says:

    What is the draft format and scoring….. I have the 2 HIO pools drafts this coming Sunday and Monday. I would be interested in winning another pool 😉



    The main ingredient in stardom is the rest of the team.

  261. since1988 says:

    haha ya that is Mr. October through a connection my dad worked with his father in law so he got us tickets to a few games in montreal thus making him my favourite Hab 

  262. Bill J says:

    Carbo wrote that book, JM not so much when you compare the two.

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  263. Caper says:

    Ask the vast majority who saw both play and they will tell you that the Flower hands down was the better player. While Francis was more of a leader and better defensively, Guy was way ahead of his time with his offensive flair. However noting Francis’s defensive prowness, Guy’s defense was actually under  rated. His issue with longevity was more to do with his conditioning as he was a smoker. He was an immense talent and could change the flow of a game at will. Just ask Don Cherry:).

  264. The Cat says:

    Just imagine though, it would bring the rivalry right back right from day 1!


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  265. SeriousFan09 says:

    People too obsessed with numbers and such in the NHL now, hence why in these times, Mike Green gets to be a nominee for the Norris.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  266. JIMVINNY says:

    Well it would certainly seperate the Halak fans from the Habs fans. 

  267. The Cat says:

    Its hard not to like Francis, classiest guy in the NHL ever.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  268. SeriousFan09 says:

    Now we’ve got Ron Francis overleaping another Canadien without merit, Jean Beliveau anyone?


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  269. Everlasting1 says:

    He can outplay Francis hung over..


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  270. Everlasting1 says:

    I’d jump ship lol


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  271. slamtherimtim says:

    it’s off

  272. The Capitalist Pig says:

    Truth be told, I would rather have Mario Trembly than Francis on my squad if the Cup were on the line!

  273. habs001 says:

    ak46 goal totals add up but he is too much of a streaky scorer…he has to spread his scoring out…do they keep face off win stats  when you start your pp or pk…because both plecks and gomez seemed weak at this stat.  reducing our top forwards pk time will be very important…this can only happen if the replacements are successfull…. 

  274. andrewberkshire says:

    3 spots left for those interested.

  275. The Capitalist Pig says:

    These arguments are just BS. I don’t care what anyone says, Bobby Orr was the best ever. Gretzky couldn’t keep pace with Orr wing-on-wing with a hurricane at his back. Moreover, it is doubtful that he would possess the puck long enough to do any damage with #4 simultaneously on the ice.

  276. homerbowen says:

    You’re just plain wrong

  277. Bill J says:

    I suddenly wish Halak to the QC franchise for some reason.



    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  278. AndyF says:

    I totally agree with Arpon that Plekanec is one of the best two-way centres in the league.   I’m extremely happy that he re-signed with the Habs.  We have a lot to be optimistic about!




  279. Caper says:

    Relax there boy. We’re discussing Lafleur and Francis, not the NHL’s best of all time player.

  280. The Cat says:

    Take it easy, it was an expression, its not like its something that can be measured.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  281. SeriousFan09 says:

    Koivu five years ago, you’d have no arguments from me. No doubt Koivu will keep playing until he drops, but I find it questionable he’d be able to carry a Top 6 role with the Canadiens as it stands now. Close to the entire team were at a minus in the playoffs as well. I love Koivu, he’s always going to be the player that first truly enflamed my passion for the Habs, but he has been injured a lot and those injuries have been hacking away at his talent since the 90s, not to mention the battle with cancer that took a toll on his body. He won a lot out of sheer force of will, but as the spirit is willing, his body continues to weaken. I wish he was built like Francis or Recchi for longevity, but he isn’t.

    Gomez has one distinct advantage over Gaborik, his hips aren’t made of glass. There isn’t one sane man willing to take a bet that Gaborik will play 70+ games over each of the remaining four years of his contract.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  282. The Cat says:

    I agree. 5 Bobby Orrs would beat 5 Wayne Gretzkys.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  283. Caper says:

    Beliveau is the standard Cat.

  284. The Capitalist Pig says:

    Francis isn’t even in the hunt compared to Lafleur. Hell, he isn’t even in the hunt against the Habs 75-79 forwards.

  285. Caper says:

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! You’re smoking something there fella.

  286. The Capitalist Pig says:

    Three Orrs would beat five Gretzkys on speed alone. And, God forbid we bring up checking.

  287. petrov14 says:

    Just curious. How many people here would instantly leave the habs and become a “Nordiques” fan if the NHL came back to Quebec City?

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  288. Toe Blake says:

    Any chance that you grow up and make the transition from caper to escapade?

  289. Toe Blake says:

    Not enough to suit me!

  290. Omit says:

    Cat It wouldn’t take 5 Orrs to beat 5 Gretzkys.  Three or four would suffice.

  291. Caper says:

    Real Nord fans don;t cheer for the Habs and vice -versa. That hate amongst the fans was like nothing in sports.

  292. andrewberkshire says:

    NO spots left, thanks for the quick replies guys and gals!

  293. Toe Blake says:

    He’s right! Ronnie Francis had less intensity than an average evacuation.

  294. Bill J says:

    Now as a Bonus question, How many would jump ship if Jaro Halak was the #1 in QC City ?


    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  295. Storm Man says:

    Here I will push you overboard……. Hope you can swim.

  296. petrov14 says:

    I really miss the Battle of Quebec. So intense. Habs 4 life.

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  297. Toe Blake says:

    Beats the hell out of me! Did the Nordiques EVER have a decent goaltender?

  298. Bill J says:

    Unless the Habs lock up Roy real quick.

    I think the Nordiques will have a decent goaltender as a Head Coach. :)

    Add in Jaro Halak.  Something tells me some fans would high tail it outa Habs land.

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  299. Harani says:

    By the way, Joel Bouchard will replace Benoit Brunet to call Habs games on RDS.

    “It must be love!”

  300. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Pas moi  tabierwhit!

  301. SeriousFan09 says:

    Well hey, with absolutely no professional coaching experience, I can’t see how that wouldn’t work with Roy coaching a new Nordiques team.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  302. Bill J says:

    Keep in mind who the VERY first Head Coach for the Nordiques was.


    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  303. crabvader says:

    The Tugger! Lol…

    Probably not in all honestly.

  304. crabvader says:

    At least now all the people that cry about not having enough French-Canadians (even though we are the team with the 2nd most in the league in our system to that respect) can go watch the Nordiques and complain to them about it!

    I just want players that will help our team win, I really don’t care what ethnicity they are.

  305. SeriousFan09 says:

    I know very well, but Jake the Snake wasn’t an outstanding coach of the Nordiques either. Plante was a brilliant netminder and probably the best thinker of the goal position in the game’s history but even he couldn’t do everything.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  306. Everlasting1 says:

    I’ll manage, thanks. Have a good evening.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  307. Bill J says:

    The first Head Coach of the Nordiques was not #1 – it was #9.

    Was all publicity to attract fans to the QC franchise.

    I see Roy used in the same fashion, and he would jump at the chance without a doubt.

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  308. Sheldon says:

    If Quebec gets a team, they should be called the Musketeers. It will be a freakin’ marketing bonanza. Just think of the sales of big floppy hats with feathers in them and fake goatees. Cha ching, cha ching$$$

  309. StevieRay says:

    ….. and while having a puff !!

  310. Bill J says:


    Nice one

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  311. Sheldon says:

    All for one and one for all, mon frere!!!

  312. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ah, got my hockey history wrong. My neverending campaign to catch up continues.

    Roy would be a good publicity move, but the team losing a ton of games because he can’t get them to win hurts the team more in the long run. Gretzky was used in this fashion in PHX, didn’t work.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  313. Bill J says:

    Works for me 😉

    Let Roy cut his teeth in QC city, and when they give up on him.

    MTL can bring him home “again”


    Screw Boucher, I want Roy! lol

    Cammalleri for Team Captain!

  314. Qais says:

    Can someone tell me how no one has Ian Schultz on the roster spot?

    They chosen one.

  315. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because he hasn’t even played the AHL yet so it’s a little early to bump him to the NHL before he proves he can keep up in the minors.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  316. andrewberkshire says:

    Because he just came out of junior.

  317. The Cat says:

    Stephane Fiset had a good couple of years.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  318. The Cat says:

    I wouldnt leave HIO. Id bring the rivalry right on this board, cause Im badass that way ^_^


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  319. JIMVINNY says:

    That’s an excellent trade.  Bouchard will be good.

  320. sholi2000.com says:

    Need some help here history buffs.

    Years ago when I angry at Patty for leaving Montreal, I was told that Henri Richard also left the Canadiens in anger.  But I don;t remember the story, if it’s true at all.

    Anyone know anything about this?

    They Call Me Shane

  321. showey47 says:

    Met ron tugnutt when savage had his 4 on 4 game here in sudbury during the 1994 lockout. Great guy,thats fur sure. Very down to earth.

  322. Sheldon says:

    I think he semi-bolted at least mentally during the ’71 finals because of a row with Al MacNeil. If there was another period, you’ll have to find a more knowledgeble poster than me.

  323. SeriousFan09 says:

    I hope he slows down a bit, when his resume said 180 WPM, I’m guessing they didn’t think he meant spoken.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  324. showey47 says:

    Daniel bouchard? They also had hextall for a little while.

  325. ABHabsfan says:

    Ron Tugnutt, one of the greatest goaltending performances of all time. 73 saves, I think.

  326. Sheldon says:

    Damn, I just had one hell of a thought. If Quebec ever gets another NHL franchise, they should have a picture of Michel Goulet on the center-ice scoreboard lip-syncing Robert Goulet of Camelot fame doing a number from the musical in French, of course. Here’s a poor man’s mock up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lN_ARlru_w That’s a fitting number for the Nords!

  327. Sheldon says:

    I love tossing a hand grenade like that. It’s the easiest way to seperate the posters that actually know something from the posers!

  328. showey47 says:

    gotta give some kudos to the bruins scouting staff. They pretty much recruited the kid at the age of 12 or something  and he turns out to be one of the greatest players of all time.

  329. Yeats says:

    And to think, he was developing right under the Leafs’ management’s noses. God, talk about the one who got away! Put the Habs’ failure to nab Denis Savard next to it and the latter is not even close.

  330. showey47 says:

    I say they go something a little more modern to attract a younger fanbase. Beware of the 4 minute mark.



  331. Yeats says:

    I know it will have to be translated into French for the new Quebec team, but I think I’ve stumbled onto a theme song for that squad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4E-Es5zwqA&a=GxdCwVVULXc0pJJXGUDN8A2lGw8DB5lh&playnext=1

  332. Yeats says:

    Who the hell was Michel Goulet anyway?

  333. Caper says:

    Right you are. Al was a Caper! After winning the Cup, the pocket rocket ran him out of town.

  334. Duracell3 says:

    he was making a joke about the worst GM in the leauge Mr. Sather sir.

  335. Caper says:

    It was unreal.

  336. newbrunswick troy says:

    Just a little of my own opinion here,  I am kind of pleasantly pleased with the way the team looks on paper this year>>>I think there is a great mix of vets vs. youth to keep them honest!!!   I,m confident that Price will have a good year (maybe not top 5 in league, but around 10-15) in stats dept.  I see no real big holes in this staff ***with one exception maybe being ..still the size or toughness..***

    hopefully they stay healthy and gell well….they just might be contenders?????

  337. B says:

    70 of 73 shots I believe, after the game the other team’s players (Bruins) skated over and tapped him in the pads too.

  338. habaddict_andy says:

    AHA! HA! HA!

  339. Yeats says:

    The truth was that Al was right and in true “Scotty” fashion pushed the right buttons on Henri to make ’71 one of the best, if not the best, Cup runs ever.

  340. WarHero says:

    I gotta agree with you, but it all comes down to chemistry. If they can play like they did in the playoffs, by that I mean doing what it takes to get the job done, AND give Carey the support he needs (he got left high and dry sooooo many times last year) they will make the playoffs :)

    Then it’s “game on”, so to speak 😉


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  341. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Tomas Plekanec…love the guy, so much talent and one of the most underated two-way players (IMO), he is my fav Hab and has been for a while now (I still am excited he will remain a Hab for a while).

    This play is amazing (such work from Saku) but such hands from Pleks.

    Out of the box goal

  342. WarHero says:

    That was nice :) Thx for the memory :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  343. Yeats says:

    Man, that was f’n hockey!!!

  344. Castor says:

    Am I the only one who thinks we have a better team than last year? 

    No BGL or MAB or DAGS or MAXPAX (though he’ll bounce back)

    + PK, POULIOT, BYOD and (possibly) ELLER

    I’ll miss Metro and Moore but maybe with Boyd and Halpern they can be replaced.

    If Cary even plays to half his potential and we don’t get injured nearly as much as last year I think it’s playoffs for sure.


    Maybe I’m alone here but I’m hyped.


  345. RiverviewCanadien says:

    He is so fun to watch. Gives it his all every shift, and he can do it all.

  346. DavidKB says:

    “… left high and dry…” 

    Some have referred to it as the team not wanting to play in front of Price. As much an insult to the skaters as to the goalie.

  347. RiverviewCanadien says:

    You are surely not the only one. I was VERY excited for last season, but I have a better feeling about this year.

  348. Castor says:

    I think it really comes down to three players. 
    Pouliot, AK and Price. If they will only play to their potential, we’re in.

  349. observer says:

    especially in goal

  350. WarHero says:

    Agreed, Carey may have earned the spurn with his actions last year, but you are right, the skaters look just as bad :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  351. WarHero says:

    I gotta agree with you, but it all comes down to chemistry. If they
    can play like they did in the playoffs, by that I mean doing what it
    takes to get the job done, AND give Carey the support he needs (he got
    left high and dry sooooo many times last year) they will make the
    playoffs :)

    Then it’s “game on”, so to speak 😉


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  352. observer says:

    he played so long ago the only people who remember him are the only ones who can remember when the habs last played in a stanley cup final.

  353. Chorske says:

    I think it may even be premature to assume that Eller is a lock.

  354. SeriousFan09 says:

    This still is my favourite by Pleky, loved the end-to-end and the saucer pass to set up Hamrlik for the OT winner.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  355. Yeats says:

    Let them suit up. Let them play. As Emile Francis once said, “Hockey is a slippery game. It’s played on ice!” Let’s just drop a puck and see what pertubulates? It’s a hell of a long way to making the playoffs. And, an even greater distance to a Cup. Just sit back and enjoy watch the show!

  356. observer says:

    Question is how many became Habs fans AFTER the nordiques moved? Giving habs owner the entire market of quebec which they were hap[py to have back after nords left and probably do not want a team there to come back just like leafs don’t want one in hamilton.

  357. TomNickle says:

    Nice to come on the HIO website after a couple of weeks away to see Jaro Halak’s picture in a Blues jersey.

    Mike Boone, you have hit a new low.

    Shameless and desperate.  

    This place gets a little worse every day.

  358. SeriousFan09 says:

    Going a little overboard there Tom.

    Pretty sure there was a picture last year of Saku in a Ducks jersey on here.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  359. WarHero says:

    Comon now Tom, he just showing Jaro’s new look .. nothing to fret over :) We all know Boone loves Carey :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  360. CanadienBoy says:

    Turtle power is here to stay i think Plak.. will make his mark about his place in the top 20 all that needed is good wingers !!

  361. WarHero says:

    I remember that one well :) Thx for the link, another great Plek memory and props to Hammer for having the hands :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  362. TomNickle says:

    Normally I would concede an overreaction, but it is never ending on this site.  That trade happened in early June I believe.  

    How about a training camp preview of the team, something on the Montreal Juniors, the Bulldogs or our new ECHL affiliate.

    Nope, another look at Jaro headline.

    He is trying to keep people on the site, I will concede that it is his job, but the means have been shameless since July in my opinion.

    Stubbs seems to come up with non-Halak stuff every once in a while.

    Wondering why Boone cant or refuses to.

    It is really souring my taste for a site that I really enjoyed for a long time.

  363. Ian Cobb says:

    At a boy Teats, nice to see you here. Reminds me of fun times.

  364. PrimeTime says:

    Glad to see things have somewhat settled down here a bit now that Price is signed (or is it because school has started???) despite Boone’s daily attempts to stir the pot (Halak pic) and other references. This is a really good forum when posters speak of hockey and the team without constant childish biggering and posturing.

    IMO, Nords would be great to have back….that era was something out of this world both as a sport spectacle and for its political and cultural implications. Gotta love the Separatists and the debate they create compared to Halak v. Price. 

    Keepin’ it Real,



    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  365. SeriousFan09 says:

    He coached several minor-league affiliates of the Canadiens for eight years before taking over the Habs bench. Roy hasn’t gone beyond junior coaching in the weak sister Q of the CHL.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  366. 4loorplay says:

    problem is…in the playoffs we blocked 30 shots a game…in reg season you wont see that

  367. WarHero says:

    That’s not what I was asking for :) I just want them “to do what it takes”, whatever that may be at the time


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  368. showey47 says:

    Last time i saw him he was working as a scout for the hawks and he was in town watching ethan moreau when he played for the sudbury wolves.

  369. Dave Stubbs says:

    OK, Boone’s off the hook. I uploaded that photo, adding to a post of links Mike had started very early in the morning. The Halak photo was sent to me by an alert HIO reader who was at the Montreal-area rink where a number of NHL players work out in the days before their camps begin. Halak was among them, and it’s the first he’d been seen on the ice in his new jersey.

    Jaro Halak drew a crowd in the thousands at an autograph signing in Montreal last weekend, he’s been hailed as Jacques Plante reincarnate by many, he was still in town until midweek and he practised in Montreal in his Blues uniform. Running a photo of that is a bad thing?

    Tom, our news isn’t to cheerlead. It’s to provoke a little thought and discussion. Canadiens.com didn’t run the photo, nor would we expect them to. We did. Next week, when rookie camp opens, when the players tee it up in the golf tournament and the real camp begins, we’ll have TONS on the Canadiens. And St. Louis will have lots on Jaro Halak.

    Take a deep breath, my friend. It’s all just a game. And blame me for this one, not Mike.

    Dave Stubbs
    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
    • On Twitter: twitter.com/habsinsideout1

  370. andrewberkshire says:

    Way to poop in everyone’s breakfast!

  371. habs001 says:

    they should make the playoffs…but in the playoffs you can be below 500 and still make it to the semi final.( we were 9-10)..this team still has to prove thay can play way better hockey than 500 over 82 games…

  372. PrimeTime says:

    Risky! Doesnt Halak have “Muhammad” status in MTL??? Is it safe to upload his image???

    (just a mindless joke people….chill!)


    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  373. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Well ,those thought’s are worth bout a nickle…..

  374. jrshabs1 says:

    At the end of the day it’s still a game.

  375. punkster says:

    About freakin’ time man. Welcome home!


  376. HaloHabsFan says:

    Shoulda known it was you.  The same reporter who tried to insinuate a couple of weeks ago that the reason for Price not signing yet was due to his rodeo participation. 

  377. HardHabits says:

    Wound meet salt.

  378. TomNickle says:

    I appreciate your explanation and sneak peek into next week Dave.  The number of articles or insight provide by your staff about matters like Jaro Halak, Guy Boucher and other cast offs have been fairly overwhelming and my personal taste is one that looks for current Habs news.  I also appreciate that the dog days of summer do not provide the most ideal stories.  But as I said, June, July and August seemed like an ex-Hab slideshow.

    It is quite frustrating.

  379. Dave Stubbs says:

    Chuck, I’m afraid all those action movies have knocked you off your axis. I’d reported pretty much forever that Price was going to sign; it was just a matter of when. The rodeo reference was a joke.

    (Did I tell you that Markov hasn’t re-signed beyond this season because he’s busy training with the Bolshoi?)

    Dave Stubbs
    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
    • On Twitter: twitter.com/habsinsideout1

  380. Mr-T says:

    Ballet…Cultured…Stubbs, I thought Boone was the only one that could be characterized as having such broad knowledge and discriminating taste.                                                                                                                             


    Support Carey Price         “Hypocrisy is not a virtue”                                                                                                                            

  381. nunacanadien says:

    Poor Halak, can’t seem to win with you, either he’s such a team player that the team refuses to play for Price, or its another thing like the team just sucks enough not to support a great goalie like Price. 

  382. GrimJim says:

    I disagree, 25% of Moen’s goals last year were short-handed. Clearly he is a PK force opponents need to reckon with :-)

  383. Radio Free Timo 2 says:

    And in other news, Hell has just frozen over.

  384. Ian Cobb says:

    Timo! is that really you?

  385. ooder says:

    first pre-season game is in exactly 2 weeks.

    so um when does training camp start exactly?


    88 is the new 23

  386. SeriousFan09 says:

    Rookie camp begins Monday, regular camp the following week. I’m interested to see who shows up early and hangs around with the rookies to get a head start.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  387. observer says:

    yes wed 7:30pm vs. boston

  388. GrimJim says:

    I’m guessing fitness training will be Friday Sept. 17, first on-ice session Sept. 18

    only 10 more sleeps…

  389. joeybarrie says:

    Why are so many up in arms about Halak in a Blues Jersey. He has dominated the discussion in here all summer, and when he is FINALLY seen in his new teams colors, we get all upset because we put up a pic of him. Since when does our hate and opinions go so far as getting angry when Halak graces this site with a PIC??? No one said ANYTHING when we put up a pic of a kid in a PRICE shirt gettng Halak’s Autograph???  We should all take a page in that kids mentality. He doesnt care about politics or nonsense… He loves this team, and its players. Regardless of if they have just been traded.

    No problems of seeing Koivu in a Ducks jersey. No prob with Tom the Bomb in a Canes shirt… AS A GROUP we need to get over this whole Price Halak thing.

    PRICE IS OUR GUY…  Disagree, well buy a Blues Jersey and move to St. Louis….

    Halak was a great Canadien, I will always hope he is doing good, and wish him well.  But he is gone, and it has been DONE for awhile now… You don’t have to HATE him to let him go, or even to LOVE Price… There is room in my heart for MANY MANY MANY Habs, and former Habs… Unless you go to Toronto, then you have BROKEN my heart…

    Honestly we need to grow up a bit in here.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  390. Dave Stubbs says:

    Misconduct for such rational thought, Joey. You’re outta here!

    Dave Stubbs
    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
    • On Twitter: twitter.com/habsinsideout1

  391. newbrunswick troy says:

    very well said, in this  day and age of hockey as a buisness …if you were to hate every player that leaves the habs…well you would end up being a NASCAR fan….the days of player career long affiliation with one team are long gone>>>>

    no offence to Nascar  but that sure is a red neck sport!!!

  392. WarHero says:

    Me to actually and am hoping for one of them to be Carey :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  393. ooder says:

    cool thanks for the update man…

    i’m also intrested to see who will show up from the veterans.

    also we should be finding out who the next captain is pretty soon


    88 is the new 23

  394. WarHero says:

    As the announcer would say it, “BRI-AN  GI-ON-TA”


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  395. ooder says:

    worst kept secret in hockey :)


    88 is the new 23

  396. Mark C says:

    Not that it answers your question but…Gio gave an interview on Team990 the day Price signed, it was mentioned that he was in Brossard doing power skating at the time. No names were mentioned, however it was insinuated that there were other players skating with him.   

  397. WarHero says:

    Agreed, I just hope i’m right :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  398. WarHero says:

    The Habs also had a crew in Anrprior, ON doing power skating. I actually know the guy who teaches it. His son used to play for the Dogs at one point. Very cool dude :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  399. Mark C says:

    Was that the BioSteel crew or something separate?

  400. WarHero says:

    Completely separate, Habs prospects and vets only


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  401. GrimJim says:

    I thought Price said on the day he signed that he would be in Mtl on Sept. 10, anyone know for sure?

  402. Mark C says:

    Check out the Leafs projected lines from this HockeyBuzz blogger for a laugh.

    Lot of people claim AK 46 and Benny are question marks, well check out that second line, only one 20 goal and 40 point season among the three players!


  403. observer says:

    Leafs will be in the playoff race all year.

  404. likehoy says:

    they might not have the offensive punch, but defensively they have a good corps…they’ll be a tougher team to play than last year that’s for sure.

    kadri + caputi on the 3rd line would be pretty terrible defensively, but like i said, they have a decent defensive corps so that might offset the fact that none of their forwards play defense.

    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  405. Ian Cobb says:

    Jeff Halpern wears #11, I wonder if he gets the C also.

  406. WarHero says:

    Doubt it, besides, Gomer gets to wear the 11 this year :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  407. HFX-HabFan says:

    I think he’ll take #22.

  408. observer says:

    Sidney Crosby might have a career in baseball if hockey doesn’t pan out. The Pittsburgh Penguins star and some of his teammates took batting practice at PNC Park on Wednesday afternoon, and Crosby managed to hit a home run at the major-league stadium. …… . . . .


  409. WarHero says:

    I watched it on YouTube, nice hit :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  410. andrewberkshire says:

    Will it be on RDS?

  411. habs001 says:

    hopefully pouliot has done something to improve his balance as he was prone to falling down regularly ..this should not be an issue at this level of hockey

  412. andrewberkshire says:

    Not a chance in hell.

  413. PrimeTime says:

    Only a true blue leaf nation member believes that…..until Xmas.

    My prediction….Burke’s effectiveness will be questioned this year by the media in comparison to the hope the Jays GM has brought to his TO club.


     “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  414. SeriousFan09 says:

    If they get rebranded as an AHL team, sure.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  415. GrimJim says:

    No Observer is correct. The Leafs will be in the playoff race all year.

    They’ll be last in the race, but they are in the race…

  416. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    And we have a winner – Bravo!

  417. teamhab says:

    Ron Francis  the greatest # 10???  Give me a break !!!! This is a monstrously ridiculous choice and is both an insult to Guy Lafleur and all Montreal Canadien fans. Let’s see,  Lafleur won 5 cups, 3 Art Ross, 2 Hart, 3 Lester Bs and 1 Conn Smythe. He was one of the most exciting and iconic  players  of all time. 618 goals in 1255 regular season and playoff games. Ron Francis had a good and rather plodding  career, and wound up with 2 Cups, 3 Lady Byngs, 1 Frank Selke and 1 King Clancy . 595 goals in 1,902 total games !!  If we’re picking    based on career length  then sure no argument. But if we’re picking the best  and most exciting players, then no question about it – Guy Lafleur is the top # 10 of all time.

  418. habsgod says:

     i agree with you! are they kidding me kidding? francis couldn’t tie lafleur’s skates!

  419. 1010 says:

    It is, without a doubt, the stupidest selection I’ve ever seen when comparing two of the games past greats. I surely hope this guy isn’t paid to come up with this moronic garbage.

    The Flower or Ron Francis? Duhhhhh….

    GO HABS…

  420. jrshabs1 says:

    Ou est Bugs?

  421. likehoy says:


    – I support Carey Price as the Number 1 Goalie!

  422. JIMVINNY says:

    Probably banging on Harpers door, begging him to get the Nordiques back, so he won’t have to cheer for the anti-french habs.

  423. B says:

    Rookie Camp Sept.13-16
    Medicals Sept.17
    Main Camp starts Sept. 18

  424. HabFanSince72 says:

    They also have a potential train wreck in goal.

  425. solomio says:

    Thanks for the Halpern compilation. Hey this guy does know how to score.Third line guy for sure but please not with Moen and Laps. I’d like to see him on a line with Maxwell

  426. solomio says:

    Sorry make that Desharnais not Maxwell

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