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Christmas comes early!! Thank God the Count is gone. Can’t understand Pat Hickey defending Martin on TSN 990. Martin was a dinosaur and the team quit on him. If nothing more we have turned the page and let’s move forward.
Who says Carbo was a rotten coach? When he had the room he had the best record in the east. It was after Lang went down and Carey started losing it that the entire room quit on the coach and each other. I believe this is why Gainey felt the need to rebuild basically from the ground up.
This team has a great room. Cole said it’s one of the best and Price constantly praises the room.
It’s the system an coach that are awful in this case. A guy who sticks to his system and his ideas no matter what is happening. Pant that part of the definition of insanity?
Imagine he never got ripped for not playing Cole on the PP? Cole still wouldn’t be there.
First off, Darche (-2 last night) should not even be playing hockey for money. He would be average in a beer league.
Other than Cole, topliners are invisible. Cammy was a no-show … again, and a minus-2. Pleks needs help and Gionta and Gomez are out.
REASON? These smaller forwards break down easier and faster. JM has been playing them too many minutes this season (something he got into doing during the playoffs a couple of years ago).
Blunden played 3 minutes! That’s it. It’s hardly worth the effort of lacin’ ‘em up. Leblanc played 4 minutes. Both had their first points.
Roll 4 lines is the only way to go in this game now anymore. Energy and passion are the things that are missing night after night. People want to blame JM for this and that is where the ax usually falls when players dont play hard. But player can bring more energy and hustle to every shift when they are properly rested.
if the Habs had a decent 4th line – it would help the other 3 lines produce. Blunden is of no use frankly – replace him and Darche with some real 4th line players (White being one of them – go get another) sit back and watch this team improve.
Size, toughness, ocassional fight is Blunden’s role and we dont have any of that. And how do we know what kind of game he has when he skates out, does a circle and comes right back for 2 shifts a night? Granted, we are not deep enough to skate a quality 12 forwards but it can be made up for in hard skating for 45 seconds. Semi-regular shifts for the fourth line, with them being physical and selling out for a shift, can be invaluable. Most every other team does this.
you missed my point. I believe we need someone to fill that role – I just know that Blunden is not that guy just because he is tall…that’s how sad our team is – if the guy is 6’4″ he is our “tough-guy” Blunden can’t fight to save his life and appears to have a lot of trouble skating too.
Martin loves to ride his veterans because, to him, it’s all about guys who can maintain the SYSTEM. Every time I see Plekanec out there killing another penalty, I say to myself, ‘this poor fella needs a holiday!’
RIGHT! Pleksy is going to earn every dime of his contract. A coach who feels his job is on the line every night is always going to go down with the ship whipping his studs into the grounds.
Really? Plekanec is one of the best PK forwards in the league, any coach would use him there.
Yeah, like that tiny Eric Lindros fella. He’s a tiny softee, right? Pronger, too.
What I saw last night was not a good game, it was very sloppy for both teams. While that was probably an anomaly for Philly, we see it almost every night. Is the sloppy play just because we roll with “young players”? I don’t think so. I think it’s all about preparation.
I’m not involved in pro hockey, but it would seem to me that an NHL coaches most important tasks would be getting the team ready to play, getting the best use out of the 20 guys you have dressed, and making necessary adjustments as the game goes. These three tasks are wrapped up in preparation, the coach knowing what to expect based on years of experience in the game. Good coaches get quality play from the whole team by using them in the right situations, especially at home (last change).
The Montreal Canadiens coaching staff, for whatever reason, never seems to be prepared or to have the team prepared. Blown leads with no control of the momentum happen regularly. Rushed, sloppy passes, with no one being in position occur with glaring regularity. If “The System” is a defence first approach, why don’t the players seem able to play any kind of consistent defensive hockey? I’d be all for sitting on leads if it ever worked, but 1 game in 10 is not sufficient. Sitting on a lead and watching it erode, to me, are signs of not making any adjustments, and shortening your bench in the fastest game in the world is not an adjustment if you do it every game for an 82 game season. It’s a desperate and lazy knee jerk reaction brought on by fear.
I want change, but not change for changes sake. I want clear direction, cohesive coaching and management and an entertaining product. I don’t care about a cup anymore, I want competitive teams with a chance. The half way rebuild/get lucky/flame out every 4-5 years thing is embarrassing.
They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!
In terms of your last paragragh, I think most level headed fans realize that we really don’t have a list of decent managerial candidates (coach and/or GM) at the present moment (aside from the tired list of Heatley/Crawford/Nolan/Roy).
I still say it’s best to wait until the summer to make wholesale changes in that regard. That also might be the time to break away from the French requirement. If we do so, it would open up the market for a lot of sharp young minds who are ready to take on the role.
Dany Heatley? No thanks.
25 before 14
Forgot I was a rotten coach but I look good on TV
. Pierre ‘monster’ McGuire. How many times does his name come up?
I love it when someone “not involved in pro hockey” feels certain enough to tell the people that “are involved in pro hockey” how to run things.
Makes me laugh every time.
Seems to me the Flyers (like the Leafs earlier) were using the old school tactic of running the goalie. They kept bumping into Price, and two of the goals occurred on a play where Price was bumped.
Not sure what we can do about it.
Easy hire Crow and he can send someone out to break a players neck like you said in one of your post’s….. I like most of what you post on here but come on with that one.
The disallowed goal in the 1st was pretty terrible. Those are the situations where it would be nice to have a coach that goes absolutely berserk because (as bad as it is) ref’s IMO always give makeup calls when a coach gets on them for an obviously poor call.
It becomes more obvious each game that Cole is our best forward, he is intense, engaged and gives his all game in and game out. Cammy makes 1.5 mill a year more than Cole. He needs to get in the game or we need to get rid of him, he looks like a marginally more affordable Gomez out there.
Nope Cole makes 9 mil this year. That would be 3 mil more than Cammy.
Capgeek disagrees. 4.5 per for 4 years.
For this year, his salary is 6 million plus a signing bonus of 3 million.
The signing bonus does not count against the cap.
Maybe Markov sometime?
Thanks for the clarity.
Only salary I ever worry about is the cap hit. If Molson finds a way to pay a guy 38mil a season, but with a 4.5 cap hit he’s welcome to it, not my money
Read what Cole makes…. 6 mil salary this year and 3 mil in Bonus this year. So he makes 3 mil more than Cammy.
salary is less relevant than cap hit
Wow that got way off topic… I thought it was obvious I meant cap hit (which is the only number I thought we all cared about).
My point is Cole is worth every penny of his cap hit value and then some, Cammy is not.
Blockbuster proposal o the day:
Cammy, Gomez, Weber and a pick
for Iggy and Bouwmeester
Hopefully it is the sympathy factor with it being to close to christmas to fire JM. But after Christmas…I wanna see him gone….do something Mr I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth Molson. Do something ! I would ask PG but he’s just as bad as JM !!!! Fire both their asses at the same time !!!!
Am I wrong ..aren’t Lemaire Carbonneau Julien the same kind of coach as what we have now
Carbonneau preached attacking, not passive hockey. Julien balanced four lines and has continued to with the Bruins.
Lemaire is very much like Martin.
You are wrong.
Lemaire has won cups as both a player and a coach, Carbonneau as a player and has the best winning % of a Canadiens coach in the last 10 years and Julien after being given the short end of the stick has won a cup.
Also all three have benched non performing “stars” see Tyler Seguin this year.
And finally all three show emotion behind the bench
to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal
Seguin was scratched because he was late for a team meal and meeting. He had been late to 2 different functions earlier, so it was time to be punished.
Maybe this will lighten your day.
I think Gill has to sit in place of Emilin, on the first goal Talbot went by him on the outside, had time to go behind the net and make a pass, with a goal being scored before Gill was back in the picture. Gorges on the last goal has to clear the net better then last night, if he wants big money,
The problem was not Gill he did what he had to, keep Voracek to the outside the problem was that neither Emelin nor (and mostly Plekaneks) did not pick up Talbot.
Your right I just wish he would have bumped him to slow him down. I still think his lack of mobility is a concern, and if all the young D we have dont measure up to him, we have problems
Gill is a liability every time he is on the ice. On for two of four goals again last night. He keeps making brutal mistakes and yet get all that ice time. Let a kid make the same mistake once and martin got him on the bench. As I have said many times, with Gill on the ice, the team is basically playing one man short. Most forwards in the league can go around him like going around a pylon.
It is easy to say fire Martin but you have to offer a name as a replacement my two suggestions would be 1st Denis Savard 2nd Bob Hartley.
In Savards Case he stepped in during the season and made Chicago Very respectable with a YOUNG team thought he was given a raw deal after on 5/6 games the next year.
As for Hartley JEEZ this guy had a winning record with Atlanta he should be able to do well with this collection
Savard, Hartley, Gallant, Carbo.
I forgot about Denis Savard getting the ball rolling for Chicago. What’s he doing now??
Hartley is the last thing this team needs. The players in Atlanta hated his guts.
The best French speaking coach that is available right now is Carbo.
so i assume you started watching the habs when martin got here?? cause carbo was probably the worst coach in franchise history …. he was pretty brutal. thats a negative on carbo.
the best french speaking coach that is available right now is ROY!
If what Cammalleri is saying that he is put out on the PK as well as Plekanec. When it comes to 3rd period they are out of gas. Then JM should stick the a**es on the 3rd line period.
If Philly can played 3 lines all night and JM should be able to match since the habs are the home team. That should not be an issue or a problem? JM needs to tweek his lines for next game against NJD.
If Couturier for Philly plays 1st line minutes, Leblanc should be able to do as well. But JM likes the veterans. Rookies will sit and play 6 or 7 minutes max or even less per game. Here’s how the lines should look like against NJD. A well rested Cammaleri and Plekanec will be able to compete for 60 minutes on PK & PP.
1st Line – Pacioretty – Deharnais – Cole
Gorges – Subban
2nd Line – Kostitsyn – Eller – Leblanc
Kaberle – Emelin
3rd Line – Darche – Plekanec – Cammalleri
Gill – Diaz
4th Line – Blunden – Nokelainen – Weber
Couturier was the consensus number one pick until he got mono. He’s somewhat better than Leblanc I think.
I was infuriated when the Flyers got him. I was praying that he’d end up in the Western Conference.
Winnipeg Jets should have taken him I guess. They were too busy designing a Don Cherry-approved logo.
My only issue with players who don’t produce offensively comes when they don’t bring anything else to the equation.
Cammalleri and Gionta are great for this topic. When Gionta isn’t scoring he still brings a tremendous work ethic, leadership, winning experience and consistent demeanour. Cammalleri brings one of these things when he isn’t scoring and becomes as close to useless as a player can be.
Kostitsyn has made himself tremendously valuable by contributing physical play and good puck distribution when he isn’t scoring. Same goes for Pacioretty and Cole.
Cammalleri looks lost on the ice, and Leblanc looks more like a regular NHL player than #13 at the moment.
Yes, Martin is to blame for continung to play underachievers, so yes he is to blame for Cammaleri. Martin is to blame for a lot of things which are not occurring on this club. Please read the blogs. There are a lot of knowledgeable hockey fans on this site, who have posted very good analysis of Martin and his coaching style. There are more styles than simply JM’s, and certain teams respond better to certain coaching styles. This team is half heartedly buying into JM’s style. So, why is everyone, including management so afraid of what ‘might be’ if a coaching change was made? They weren’t afraid when it came to Carbonneau, Lemaire, Julien, or Vigneault. Incidentally the two coaches who faced off in last years stanley cup final are both recent Hab coaches who were thought to be no good for our team. There are plenty of good coaches out there, and we have fortunately had a number of them. Some, just weren’t given the chance to show what they had to offer. In Martin’s case he’s had his chance and it is time to move in another direction. Hockey has changed immensely in the past five years. Cups are being won by teams laden with rookie talent leading the way ie, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and to a degree Boston. Do you think Toews, Kane and Sharp wopuld have saw the ice time they received in Chicago from Martin? What about Marchand and Seguin in Boston? Crosby in Pittsburgh. These are all guys under the age of 22 who have not only won a cup but helped lead their team there. The treatment of Louis Leblanc last night by Martin is a testament to the fact Martin has no clue how to use his rookie future stars. He sticks by his tried, tested but not true age old system of playing his veterans to death. Last night the vets were gassed by the end of the third. Hopefully the team can move to a new coaching style. It is not the man we hate it is his coaching style.
\”A cannoting blast from the wing, by Lafleur\”
If Cammalleri is out of gas in the third having played 12 minutes to that point in the game, he isn’t an NHL player.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to communicate to me here. I don’t want Martin to be the coach of this team, but I’m not going to blame Cammalleri’s laziness on him. He has to show some pride and bring something else to the team when he isn’t scoring.
Your right he isn’t a NHL player. You seem to have the right answers, but your continually missing the point. The coach is the judge of player talent and how and when to use each of them during the game. Obviously Cammaleri should not be gaining pp time over Max, or Cole, or even a Louis Leblanc. But he is, and he is contributing nothing. 5 on 5 he is worse. I am not sure where you got your totals for Cammy, he had 26 shifts for a total of 20.54 minutes of ice time last night. He was -2. Louis Leblanc finished with 4:41 minutes of ice time. He scored. Cammaleri also had more ice time than Max, AK, Cole, and DD. So, you don’t blame Martin for Cammaleri’s play? The coach’s responsibilty is to recognize the players who are performing and play them more often. Continuing to allow Cammaleri the second most number of minutes of ice time amongst the forwards is rewarding mediocrity.
\”A cannoting blast from the wing, by Lafleur\”
He averages 18 minutes of ice time per game. If that’s tiring him out, he shouldn’t be given major responsibilities.
Martin last night basically blamed the loss on the “YOUNG PLAYERS”
Cammelari -2, Plekanecs -2, Gill -2, Darche -2 Gorges, Kostitsyn and Nokolinen -1 each
Eller -1 and Emelin -2
This does not seem to be a young player problem.
Also Ice time arguably Gorges is our best D-Man so why does he play 21 minutes to P.K’s 26 also while talking about the defence we know Gill is most effective playing 13-15 minutes so why last night did he play almost 21 (20:40) to Emelins 12:37.
And while on the subject of ice time Leblanc 4:20 GIVE ME A BREAK the kid scores a goal get the crowd AND HIS TEAMATES into the game the basically seats on the bench for the rest of the game (played only just over a minute afterward) He might as well be in Hamilton.
Finally Martin said we competed well they are a top team REALLY Carolina competes well and the beat Vancouver and don’t have half the talent that Montreal has.
And don’t give the this garbage that we are hurting because every team is hurting, Philly last night was missing Pronger and Giroux, Pittsburg has been missing Crosby all season and Buffalo had 9 count them 9 regulars out 2 weeks ago.
to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal
Pk had more toi because he plays both PP and Pk, lotsa both PP last night.
I realize that but there is a 5 minute difference, Heck Campoli played 17 minutes last night although when I don’t know because I never saw him
Well Flyers had what 9 penalties? So thats about a good chunk of time. Beyond that, who knows what goes on in between JM’s ear….
And yea Campoli seemed pretty invisible to me too.
The Habs shooter are not shooting well, AK46 being the exception with a shooting % of 22.
Moen is at 25%, but conventionnal wisdom tells us there is something of a fluke in that.
Desharnais at 14.7 is good, but he is mostly a passer, even though he had a nifty goal last night.
The rest start to fall off pretty bad, Cole and Gionta at 11.3%, Patches at 10.8%.
And the other below 10%.
Shooting drills would not hurt at this point.
Once the Habs go on their Xmas road trip Cammy and Pleks will pick it up, they will get a chance to sleep!!! Being a new father is difficult for everyone, they both look like some sleep could cure their slumps.
This can’t be right. They are tired because they are new dads? These are millionaires who play a game. They aren’t working double shifts in a coal mine. They also aren’t the first people to have kids. Lack of sleep, come on, I wish I had their amount of free time. Tired because of being a new father that’s good.
So who was fired again? and why did it happen? Oh that’s right bad power play…. Hmmm 1-9 guess in the eyes of PG that is good?
Well said… But all Molson looks at is 3 mil per home game.
I am by no means a Martin fan but they played a good game last night. It was fast, lots of shots, we had the advantage of PPs and we had the home town crowd behind us. And I don’t think Martin is the blame for Cammalleri, the guy is a fixture on the PP and if he is getting 6-7 shots a game you would think he is creating scoring chances. I am a big Cammalleri fan but his play looks disheartening. He is missing that killer instinct that he had…he looks burntout.
Its too bad we couldn’t rally after Leblanc’s goal. The building was on fire, why he didnt play in the 3rd boggles my mind especially because after the Flyer’s took the 4-3 we didnt make much of a push.
Except for Cole, he is a treat to watch.
Molson Ex mon ami
Cammy is burntout as he is on the PK.. Great move by lord martin ge rid of alf and see what this team does.
You’re saying that Cammalleri isn’t playing hard because he’s been on the penalty kill?
He averages 1:25 penalty killing time on ice per game and is only playing 18 minutes per game.
Martin is at the top of the list of people to blame for the team’s lack of success, but let’s not pretend that Cammalleri’s crapping the bed is a result of 85 seconds of penalty killing time per game please.
I guess if the coach of Green Bay told Rogers that for the next 3 games we will be a running team I wonder how happy he would be. So coach Tom your telling me having cammy on the PK is smart? please. Lord martin has killed cammy and pk this year and no one is to blame more for where the Habs are at this point. Some come on here and say wait till we have a full team lol. Flyers look well and kick ass without a full team I wonder why.
If you’re a safety who is bad in coverage and your gameplan for the week is to play a lot of two deep zone coverage instead of an aggressive style of play, you might be upset at the gameplan, but you don’t give half hearted effort. Right?
You know I don’t want Martin coaching this team. But I’d like to see some consistency here. If people are going to blame Martin for Cammalleri’s horse-@%## effort and lack of production, maybe it’s time to do that with Gomez.
Martin is to blame for continung to play underachievers, so yes he is to blame for Cammaleri. Martin is to blame for a lot of things which are not occurring on this club. Please read the blogs. There are a lot of knowledgeable hockey fans on this site, who have posted very good analysis of Martin and his coaching style. There are more styles than simply JM’s, and certain teams respond better to certain coaching styles. This team is half heartedly buying into JM’s style. So, why is everyone, including management so afraid of what ‘might be’ if a coaching change was made? They weren’t afraid when it came to Carbonneau, Lemaire, Julien, or Vigneault. Incidentally the two coaches who faced off in last years stanley cup final are both recent Hab coaches who were thought to be no good for our team. There are plenty of good coaches out there, and we have fortunately had a number of them. Some, just weren’t given the chance to show what they had to offer. In Martin’s case he’s had his chance and it is time to move in another direction. Hockey has changed immensely in the past five years. Cups are being won by teams laden with rookie talent leading the way ie, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and to a degree Boston. Do you think Toews, Kane and Sharp wopuld have saw the ice time they received in Chicago from Martin? What about Marchand and Seguin in Boston? Crosby in Pittsburgh. These are all guys under the age of 22 who have not only won a cup but helped lead their team there. The treatment of Louis Leblanc last night by Martin is a testament to the fact Martin has no clue how to use his rookie future stars. He sticks by his tried, tested but not true age old system of playing his veterans to death. Last night the vets were gassed by the end of the third. Hopefully the team can move to a new coaching style. It is not the man we hate it is his coaching style.
According to Ray Ferraro last night Cammaleri has had only 15 shots in the last 9 games that is nowhere near 6-7 shots
They wont walk .. JM’S contract is up at the end of the year! and do you really think they will resign him? I dont think Geoff Molson is oblivious as to whats going on. That being said there is no logic in a mid season coaching change when your only 1 point out of the playoffs. He will wait for the off season so the coaching and GM positions can be properly filled.
“After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.”
Think he is signed for at least another season…
I think so too.
I posted part of this as a response earlier, but I want to follow through a bit on the idea…
I can’t really defend Martin, because he’s not winning enough to get his team into the playoffs, but Cammalleri is on pace for 17 goals, 45 points this season. 6 goals so far… He is paid lots of money to hit the net, not the goalie or the posts, or the boards.
Gionta’s on pace for 21 goals, 40 points.
Gomez (I know you don’t want to hear about him…) has 0 goals and is on pace for 17 points this season.
If you told Martin at the beginning of the season that those three players would be on pace for about 100 points combined around Christmas, he would have had a few sleepless nights…
That’s a lot of money per point. Imagine now if the Pacioretty, Desharnais, Cole line wasn’t leading the way… or – shudder – if Gauthier hadn’t signed Cole.
It’s time to empty the team of ineffective veterans for a few draft picks, give the good young players all the ice time they need to develop and be patient with the team for a few years. If the goal is to give it everything to scrape into the playoffs and lose, don’t change a thing.
Gomez will be gone by the end of the season. I would probably package Gio or Cammy off with Weber or Campoli to try and get a forward with some size.
No one will take Gomez this season. We are stuck with him. maybe next year someone will take him for the cap but apparently the feeling is the cap is going down next year so that plan might go by the way side as well. He may have to finish his career in Hamilton
So a pretty good effort from the team. But without Cammy/Gio being scoring threats we just don’t have enough finishers on this team. Eller is a nice player but not yet a scorer. Two games where we got goals from unexpected sources which was nice, but our scorers need to be scoring.
Have yet to really see anything from Campoli that makes me think he is a step up from Diaz/Emelin.
Yup was not a bad game, but it shows how difficult for the Habs to compete with a top team.
So many young guys, guys not used to the NHL…
Think we might have to stop calling Cammy a sniper, more like spray and pray.
Eller is doing good on shutting down top lines, but he cannot get a scoring wingers, still improving his shooting would not hurt.
Campoli, well I’m not sold either.
I disagree about Eller. I think he has the spark – but every time he gets on a roll he either gets demoted one line down, or pushed onto a wing because someone like Gomez comes back.
He’s looked great on power plays, he cycles the puck well on the half boards. Guys like him, Emelin, etc. are so much more the future of this club than the vets that Martin seems to prefer. I cringe every time I see Cole, Eller, etc sitting on the bench during a power play and Darche on the ice.
This is not the year for #25. Give the kids all the ice time they can eat.
Yay another team meeting! We are saved. Just change the damn coach already
We should take a lot of pride in having the best penalty killing team in the league. Just maybe the league will have a parade and a cup for us accomplishing this fantastic feat!
And then have another parade and cup for the team that can really play the complete game of hockey using the whole 4 lines of contracted players.
Our PP is getting better. Our 5 on 5 has gotten better. These things take a little time to get going. We have to be patient.
Again I know expectations are high, but we are tied for 7th and have been playing bare bones all season long.
Its still December and the Cup is given out in May.
I’m not saying we are going to win. But once we have a full team and don’t have over a full top 2 line out, we will see…
Its a long season….
Look at the caps. Ready to give them the cup after the first ten games… LONG SEASON…
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
I have been optimistic a lot of years, but that is when I truly see hope and progress. We need people here like yourself to keep the hope, but I am struggling with the manor in which our players respond to the people behind the bench.
Cough it is? 1-9 and 2 5-3… Funny the Flyers don’t have a full team and all they do is win. Oh that’s right they have a good coach.
Question on prices’s status at the end of the year . Can he just walk to the highest bidder at the end of this season ?? or does a team have to submit a offer sheet that the Habs have to match ? lthough he love’s being a Hab he appears to find things frustrating from time to time .
Would have to be an offer sheet as he is an RFA. You can only walk if you are and unrestricted free agent.
The habs would have a chance to match the offer.
Steve! Price I believe is an RFA, so I do not think he can just walk to a team that does not depend on him to be 50% of the teams play.
He will not be alone in the thought of leaving the team either, if this type of game being played in Montreal continues much longer.
Ian !..hope all is well. I retired this year and things are great. Selling a few xmas trees and doing a few chores around the house !! Didn’t make the summit as I went out west ( Campbell River) to visit my son and his girlfriend who are both employed in the forest industry ..just like I was !!..I had a great trip …she sure is a great country we have …
I only wish our TEAM would play with a bit more passion and accountability..
Good to hear from you Steve, It is a great country, the only two places that I have yet to live or work in it is the Rock (NFL) and Vancouver Is. Have a good Christmas my friend.
I knew Louie was gonna score last night. I just had a hunch for some reason……….and it happened, good job by me !
Emelin has to be next.
Another thing that chaps me about JM is he splits up AK and Eller instead of just putting Louie on Plex’s line ? Stuff like that drives me. That’s why I liked some guys post below about JM not having gut instincts and sticking strictly to Le Systeme ?
Habs, OLE !
He does that so that Michel Bergeron can bitch about Eller’s production since Gomez is not around for him to constantly harp about.
Though I actually agree with Bergeron about putting LL back on after his goal in order to use the momentum…
People complaining about the refs. LOL! We had 5 on 3’s and couldn’t score. Ya Lee sucks but that was not the problem last night it was the same old $hit, Martin putting guys on the ice that shouldn’t have been on and then missing the boat with other players that should have been on. The guy is a complete ass. Then Philly was in bad shape, sporting 10 rookies in the lineup and Giroux out, Pronger out and people try and give the Habs credit. We could/should have won that game despite the goal called back. This team is a joke led by a bigger joke that is called Martin.
Chris F. Lee.
I know many think he’s out to get the Habs especially. They probably think this because there’s no way he can be so consistently piss poor while retaining his job.
Well, if you watch his games, he IS consistently piss poor. How he can have a job in the world’s top league is beyond me.
Anyone know if there’s some sort of accountability system for referees? Maybe it’s done quietly because the NHL usually cracks down on public dissent.
That is why this will always be a Bush league with Buttman in charge. Lee should be suspended, he is consistently the worst Ref in the NHL.
I know Cammy is a scary son of a beast when it’s playoff time but seriously, number 13 is cursed with injuries and hitting the wrong side of the goal posts he’s hit since his last goal.
He was awesome when Habs got him in the 1st season of 2009, but when he got injured, that’s when he stunk in the regular season, and so on to last season. It still seems to carry with him this season also.
I know he’s still contributing on having assists but he’s not being paid to make plays, he’s a 6 million dollar sniper.
“Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock
I think part of the problem is that he is used on the penalty kill a lot. Look at his comments after the game last night, something along the lines of ” it is kind of hard to get a flow to your game when your killing penalties” its not the exact quote but the point he is trying to make is clear.
He is not a PK guy. His role on the team should be clearly defined but instead the coach insists to use him in the PK role. Lets say he spends 5 minutes a game on the PK, now if you were to take those 5 minutes and put them on the offensive side of the puck then one wold figure he would have more a chance of achieving what it is he is payed six million dollars to do.
On TSN last night Ray Ferraro had even mentioned that of all the things that concern him the most about Cammys slump it was the huge decreas in the number of total shots he takes. I think this can be directly linked to how he is used in the game (coaching). if we are penalized heavily then its decreases his ability to contribute on the score sheet. Not to mention how being bounced around between roles goes a long way in breaking down any kind of confidence the player has.
Basically what it comes down to is using the assets you have in the proper way ….COACHING! and IMO the canadiens bench team is not giving their players the best chance to play to their strengths. I know that being a player you have to adapt and play in positions and situations that are out side of your comfort zone. That being said not all players that can do that and Cammy is not one of those players.
Exactly what I thought, I don’t know why JM keeps over using his offensive skilled players on the pk. They get tired on the 3rd period, and what happens mostly on the 3rd period? Opposition ties or scores goals on the 3rd period.
How does Chris Lee still work as a referee?
By being as consistent as the management in the NHL.
It makes perfect sense that he said to put LL on because at the time he had Darche and Noki on the ice. 2 defensive forwards. Why not put some one who is capable of generating offense on the ice was the point Ferraro was trying to make. Instead you play him for 4 minutes TOI in the game while Darche had over 16 minutes. If you really want to look at positive coaching look at SC for the flyers, he took 3 minor penalties in the game and yet he was STILL on they Ice for the last minute of the game to protect a one goal lead! Now if that was JM the kid would not have seen the ice again for the rest of the game. Also you should take a look at Phillys 4 youngest players and their TOI and compare it to the TOI of the 4 youngest players on the habs. That how you develop players! Not sitting them on the bench for 55 minutes a game. Thank god Cammy and Plecks are carrying their share of the weight ! Bahahaha
Not really it would only make sense if he was moved up the rotation to generate offense because he is on a defensive line. Putting out your fourth line in 3-3 game does make sense, if only to help prove the arguement that he deserves to be fired. Imagine what people would say with that kind of money on the bench in a 3-3 game and you are giving your fourth line minutes.
kholdstare you are right , i do not agree with the position they have him in the line up. LL should be paired with and line capable of producing. It goes hand in hand with the post i made a few minutes ago about putting you players in the best position to contribute. I guess the point i was trying to make is that it made no sense to have the fourth line out there at that stage of the game and that it would make more sense to have players able to generate scoring out there. I was just using LL as an example. I also think that was what Ferraro was getting at as well.
Second-guessing who is out on the ice at which point is a mug’s game, and I often disagree with Mr. Martin’s deployments, but both Mr. Darche and Mr. Nokelainen scored on Tuesday, so he may have been rewarding his veterans and playing a hunch. If either had scored we wouldn’t have called him a genius, so he really can’t win.
Michel Bergeron was explaining that Mr. Martin should have used Louis Leblanc more after his goal and the ovation to try to ride the wave of emotion, and it’s hard to argue that point as well.
How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?
Pronger’s gone for the year. I wonder if Philly will be battling for the 8th spot again and giving the coaching and management staff a mulligan because their best Dman is out.
Anyways, I’m not really upset about the loss. Philly is a good team. What I am a little pissed about is the weak powerplay and the constant losing at home. The home record is atrocious.
Nothing will change. Martin will still keep trying to fit square pegs into round holes and Gauthier will still not have a clue about what this team really needs.
Good game, against one of the best teams. I found the Pleks line generated nothing.
It was funny just before the winning goal the tsn guy mentioned that Louis Leblanc should be on the ice. Ya lets have the least experienced guy on the ice in a tied game against philly. Didn’t make a lick of sense.
If you told Martin at the start of the season that his three ‘top’ veteran forwards would be on pace for a combined total of about 100 points this season around Christmas, I bet he would have had a few sleepless nights during the preseason.
I don’t even want to talk salary, but that’s a lot of money per point. Someone else can do the math.
What’s worse is that he demands accountability from everyone under the age of 28, blames the kids and takes no responsibility publically himself.
I’m curious, do any coach come out and take some blame? I don’t recall any doing so, but I have not been following hockey as long as most of you have.
Plenty of them do. Plenty of them come out and say that they’re just as accountable as the players. It doesn’t happen often, but when team’s are underachieving, it happens.
Blunden has been consistently good all season when with the Canadiens, and his reward has been low ice time and a lot of bus trips.
I don’t think Leblanc was benched, it was more a case of shortening the bench. I can live with that but still don’t see why Martin wouldn’t take advantage of Leblanc’s adrenaline rush.
I know I’m a broken record on this point, but dressing Weber as a 12th forward kills any chance of having a solid 4th line, hence the lack of ice time for Blunden.
Successful teams (like Boston) roll over four lines for most of the game and then shorten the bench when need be.
He’s very much like Pat Burns. He has a wicked temper. That generally translates to short term success and long term alienation. But let’s face it, short term success would be nice provided that Gauthier continues to build for life after him.
Something many may not know. He has a pretty good grasp of the French language too.
Something everyone knows about Marc Crawford is that he sent Todd Bertuzzi out to break another player’s neck.
You really believe that crap?
Coaches don’t send their first line winger out to do that dirty work. Sorry, but you’re wrong.
He didn’t send out one person to do it but he got the team riled up.
He seems very polite, I wonder if they got a gift basket and a nice hallmark card about his feelings.
Sit Cammalleri, play Blunden.
Is that the gist of what you guys are saying?
No, but some more evenly distributed ice time is in order. Like maybe playing Noki and Blunden on the penalty kill instead of Plekanec and Eller.
So you think we should change up the league’s 2nd ranked penalty kill for the sake of more evenly distributed ice time?
Actually that is a good point, but JM’s motto is don’t let them score.
To be honest, much as I love him, I think Cammy should be a healthy scratch for a game. I think he’d respond well to it. And it’s time that the veterans started bearing some of the responsibility for this team. Benching rookies definitely hasn’t worked so far.
I really think he’s just sick of the circumstances. I guarantee Gainey didn’t talk him into signing by explaining he’d be an integral part of a defence first, play not to lose approach. Some might call it sour grapes, I call it being brought in to town under false pretense.
The bigger question might be – why has every offensive weapon we’ve acquired in the last 20 years, pretty much flamed out here? Hope it doesn’t happen to Cole. I tend to think that it’s the whole philosophy of hockey from the front office down. Try not to lose, don’t take offensive risks. But at the same time we don’t have the shut down D to make that kind system work. And yet year after year, it’s the same story. I could care less if we won every game 2 – 1. I realize it’s not necessarily exciting, but 2 points is 2 points. But more often than not we are on the losing end of those 1 goal games.
Our chief weapons are fear and surprise
That doesn’t wash with me. He’s a professional just like any one of us. If you don’t like your boss…suck it up and do your job. (that is operating under the premise that your assumption is correct).
To be honest though, I don’t buy it. I think he is simply mired in a slump, happens to players. I’m not ragging on Cammy at all, but I think he needs to be shook up. I’m thinking of what’s best for him and the team here — sit him. Shows that no one is untouchable because I think the rookies need to see that so they don’t feel like scapegoats.
He had 7 shots last night- 0 goals.
He either needs to be more selective in terms of positioning or opportunity or more accurate.
At $6 mil. he needs to sort it out
He was brought in to score and play within the team concept. False pretenses, my hairy butt.
Listen. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Seriously, these accusations of not playing to win and playing not to lose are full of crap. JM wants his players to be in good position with and without the puck. Every coach wants to win each and every game, and by a wide margin. However, the coach cannot control when snipers go cold (Cammy, Gionta). All a coach can do with a vet is keep putting him out there (with different players) and hope he gets untracked.
If Cole can be a dominant player within JM’s system, why can’t the rest?
I keep correcting it and it keeps changing. Wierd!
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