Sunday morning coming down for Habs fans

It’s a gray and rainy Sunday morning in Montreal.
The weather matches the mood of Canadiens fans.
In Philadelphia Saturday night, the team was mathematically eliminated from playoff contention.
And while they were at it, the Canadiens rang up loss number 47 – a team record.

Too early to drink. But hit it, Kris.

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Another record was set Saturday night: Josh Gorges blocked six shots – not counting the ones he absorbed from hulking Pavel Kabina.

With six games to play, Gorges leads he NHL with 230 blocked shots. Runner-up Ladislav Smid has 181.

More importantly, Gorges has expunged the name “Mike Komisarek” from the Canadiens record book. Komo blocked 227 shots in 2007-’08.

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I’m on record as being skeptical about Patrick Roy as the next coach of the Canadiens.

But how about general manager?

HIO has eyes and ears everywhere. A scout attending the Sea Dogs playoff game in Saint John, N.B., on Saturday night told our correspondent the word on the street is St. Patrick as GM and Bob Hartley as coach. The rumour was first floated on Twitter last week.

It’s the Colorado Connection. Roy and Hartley are protegés of Pierre Lacroix, who was Roy’s agent before becoming Colorado’s general manager.

Hartley coached Roy for four seasons and 31 games of a fifth with the Avalanche.

They won a Stanely Cup together in 2000-’01 … a season during which the Canadiens lost 46 games, the record broken with L number 47 in Philly.

Hartley is coaching in Switzerland this season, no doubt honing the Swiss-German he’ll use to coach Yannick Weber and Raphael Diaz.

Some say the talk of Roy coming to Montreal is a load of Kaberle.

Roy grew up in the suburbs of Quebec City and moved back to the provincial capital when his career ended. If QC gets an NHL franchise, Roy is a natural to run it.

But that remains a big If.

All we know for certain is the Canadiens’ season ends at about 10 p.m. on April 7.

And while 16 teams begin chasing the Stanley Cup, Montreal fans look ahead to the draft, Carey Price’s contract, free agency and training camp.


  1. saskhabfan says:

    Looking forward to watching the oilers and jackets play in the western conference final this year with the winner playing the islanders or leafs for the cup.It has finally been proven that tanking for a decade guarantees a stanley cup contender.

    • Albatros says:

      Yea, stanking for 19 years is preferable and more honorable!

    • HabFab says:

      Beware you are entering the twilight zone.

    • krob1000 says:

      I think to date I have seen about 4 or 5 posters who actually support long term tanking…..the rest of us realized months ago the Habs were done this year….so….finish poorly. It appears as though management and the team somehow were in agreeance looking at the standings….unless of course the team is really just this bad…in which case it is even funnier that people still were talking playoffs in February. I am ecstatic at the way the last month and a bit has panned out….next year? I expect a playoff team again

  2. Marc10 says:

    Hey, the Oil just relegated us to 29th! Go the Oilers!

    One guy who must ‘happy’ with this situation is Trevor Timmins. He is going to get the best chance since he picked Carey at #5 to load up on a franchise player… and this year and next year are good draft years.

    Lots of kids coming up… I think that’s also an argument for St Pat (although looking at how Dale Hunter has faired in the Washington Country Club, you have to wonder…)

    On Roy, I’ll say it again. A month ago I would have said no. He’s a winner, but he’s struck me as overly emotional to deal with the grown ups in the pro game. My impression was that his incredibly strong personality and ego would work well with kids who look up to him but clash badly with accomplished players. That was until I heard him in a recent radio interview (on 98.5fm)… Sure it’s only one interview, but I was impressed.

    In a one on one chat, he completely dissected his current lineup. No question was left unanswered and he broke down in a realistic assessment every player that was brought up by the interviewer.

    He was frank about some of the guys that would not make it out of the Q and where his team stood in the pack. Compare that to the ridiculous answers we get from RC and PG (if nothing else), it was refreshing.

    He talked about Radulov’s return to Nashville. I thought that analysis was again well measured. He discussed DD and Pleks and how DD (not taking anything away from the kid) must be ever so grateful that Pleks did not do the job this year. It was direct and honest assessment. He was even asked about a rumour from the MTL media and he quite handily dealt with that.

    The overall impression I got from the interview was that Pat is indeed an NHL grade coach. He’s ready. He is passionate, accepts nothing short of excellence, works to a clear plan, doesn’t take shortcuts, is calm and measured in his responses, and has an encyclopedic knowledge of the game. Plus, if you want a ‘Pat Burns – I don’t do Bullsh$t attitude’… well, he’s your man.

    Are there better candidates out there, probably. Problem is… they’re locked up in Detroit, Nashville, etc. We even let a couple of guys go to TB free of charge.

    I trust Geoff will interview Pat. I think it would be a mistake not to.

    Apologies for the long drawn out blog post…

    • habstrinifan says:

      I think this is a good post. I am very unsure re my feelings of Roy as a coach. One of the main reasons is the Quebec franchise thing. I wish you had elaborated on his response to the ‘rumour’.

      Roy as GM/Hartley as coach I can live with.

      Right now I am really torn on it all. What I do know is that the day after the TSN990 bit where Marinaro quoted the magazine, Boston played Toronto and Lucic beat the sh%$%% out of Komasarek. As I listened to the reports of that I could not help but think that no way would a Roy coached team be soft.

      Still though I dread his temper and emotinalism.

      Again.. still unsure here.. especially who would be the GM if Roy is coach.

      • Marc10 says:

        Thanks. I think the bottom line is we do need a change and there aren’t so many legit candidates out there.

        Most posters would agree that Gainey’s philosophy of speed and skill at the expense of size created a team that was ill equipped to get the job done.

        On that basis alone I think both Gainey and PG should be fired. Bob because he was wrong and PG because he continued the trend to a large extent and made panicky moves when Markov failed to show up. And don’t get me started about our inexperienced ‘softer than Cool Whip’ D.

        There’s also the issue of accountability or lack thereof. I just don’t get how Gomer managed to stick around when the results didn’t come. Bury the guy and be done with it already! Pleks and Cams took the the pre-Christmas period off, Gill was predictably slow out of the gate, the Captain was less than stellar early on… I blame JM for sticking with his vets when a message needed to be sent. But Jacques had been burnt before playing that game so he wasn’t going to go there. The GM’s way of getting the message through was to get rid of Pearn… I’d have buried Gomer right then and there instead and told Pleks and Cams to get their heads screwed on straight or I’d make them watch from the rafters.

        I suspect Roy would be an improvement in that respect. Whatever Geoff decides to do… He needs to commit to it. I think it will take 3 years to get a solid team together.

  3. Bozo McBozo says:

    I think the Habs should make Roy GM. Hire a mute who knows North American sign language as coach. Get a few elephants and other big-game animals for the first intermission and a well-schooled trapeze act for the second. Oh, and midgets on tricycles. Lots and lots of midgets. If your gonna be a freakin’ circus, go whole hog and be the Biggest Show on Earth!

    • HabFab says:

      Come on! I thought we had all agreed, no more midgets. Team needs to get bigger, even the vegan is cluing in!

    • Cape Breton says:

      What is it with you people that think Roy is a joke? Everywhere he has went he has won: Memorial Cup, Calder Cup, Stanley Cup, Hall of Fame, retired number in the raftors, Conn Smythe Trophy, can’t think of anything else. Maybe there isn’t anything else.

      Anyway, what gives with you folks?

      • Bozo McBozo says:

        I do not think that Roy is a joke in any way. shape or form. My call for him to be GM, along with the others, is aimed at taking this circus that has become the Montreal Canadiens to the next level. I want a show P.T. Barnum would truly be proud of.

        • Cape Breton says:

          It reads like you’re dumpin on Roy like he is a circus act.
          And you are.

          • Bozo McBozo says:

            This is not the time for him to sign on board for this crap show. There is nothing for him to be gained by taking charge of this team.

        • Cape Breton says:

          There is lots for Roy to gain, like maybe turning things around for this sad-sack team which hasn’t been decent since he was shamefully let go in 1995.

          • habsguy says:

            shamefully let go ???? he shamefully walked out !!!!!!.
            he said it was his last game as a hab , that should be the end of it !!!!

      • HabFab says:

        Because after all, Bozo is a clown! N’est pas?

        • Cape Breton says:

          habsguy, say if your boss embarrases you in front 18000 fans as well as a national TV audience and you’re the best at your occupation in the entire business and you have a chance to go elsewhere and do the same job, what would you do? Sit back, maybe, and take it on the chin? Perhaps you would habsguy, but Patrick Roy certainly wouldn’t and didn’t. Great for him.

          • habsguy says:

            If I was being paid MILLIONS to play for the best organization in sports, for the team I grew up idolizing, I would do anything they asked, I wouldn’t walk out on my friends, I may disagree and talk to the higher ups about the game in question, but to QUIT, I don’t want a QUITTER running my team.
            If he has a disagreement with the GM, would he walk away and leave the without a coach, perhaps thats the kind of coach you want, not me !!!!

          • Cape Breton says:

            If I was the best in my profession and had an a-hole boss who was giving me a hard time I would say get me the hell out of here. No ifs ands or buts! After all, Millions of $$$$ are available wherever I go. And that ain’t quitting, it’s being concerned with my well-being.

    • Albatros says:

      You want to really turn up the carnival atmosphere? Bring Kovalev back and let him play with the Gomer. It will be a pucksturbating extravaganza!

  4. Mark C says:

    Danny Kristo just score a sick goal, high glove side on a turn around shot from the high slot.

  5. Psycho29 says:

    Jack Fraud says violence in the NHL is getting worse, not better….

    ” 10- and 15-game suspensions would at least be a step in the right direction. So far, Shanahan has refused to take that step. The result, come playoff time, is bound to be ugly.
    For Daniel Sedin, the only consolation is that if he’s still out, they can’t hit him again. Because now that Shanahan has given the league’s predators a free pass, you know Sedin will have a target on his back when he returns to the ice.”

    Read more:

    • 24 Cups says:

      His name is Jack Todd and his comments are spot on. The game is going to hell in a handbasket and the NHL couldn’t give a damn.

      We could have the most creative game in professional sport but instead have roller derby on ice. Pathetic.

      • Cape Breton says:

        Jack Todd is good. One of the best in the business.

      • VancouverHab says:

        Yes, but the depreciatory misspelling is entirely suitable, right, and proper.

        And consonant with his (generationally-characteristic) egotism, his standard of “getting worse” is “moving away from my peurile and pacifist standard.”

        The retaliatory hit on Sedin may be fair, unfair, or neutral, but do you really think that the incident would have been so much as noticed in NHL years not that long past?

        • Psycho29 says:

          The violent incidents of the late 60’s through the 70’s were much worse compared to what we see today. (And I’m certainly not condoning the crap we see today).

          You had Wayne Maki almost kill Ted Green in a stick fight in 1969.

          Barry Cummins of the Seals high sticked Bobby Clarke in ’74 or ’75 and the Flyers came off their bench to swarm and beat Cummins in a 29-minute brawl.

          In 1975 Boston’s Dave Forbes came out of the penalty box in a game against Minnesota and jabbed the butt end of his stick into the right eye socket of Henry Boucha, essentially robbing him of vision in the eye and soon ending his career.

          Also in a mid 70’s playoff game Dave Schultz of the Flyers beat, and even head butted a non-fighter, Dale Rolfe while his Ranger teammates stood by and did nothing.

          In 1975 Dan Maloney slammed the head of Brian Glennie of the Leafs on the ice a few times during a fight. The incident brought legal charges against Maloney.

          Those are just a few of the incidents, there are many more.
          Of course hacks like Fraud paint the league as much worse now than in the past, which I don’t believe it is. But… I said earlier, we still have to clean up the cheap shots and illegal hits today.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Concern for head injuries is selfish?

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • boing007 says:

        They made a movie about it in the 1970’s. Rollerball.

        Richard R

  6. Croz38 says:

    I’m tired of hearing Patrick Roy being involved with the Habs in any capacity. He gave up on the team once. Don’t give him a chance to do it again. You should never forget crap like that.

  7. Cape Breton says:

    Those of you who like to crap on the leafs check this out: Hillarious stuff. Rated R

    • Croz38 says:

      I disagree. he told the GM he played his last game as a Hab that night. Pretty sure that is giving up on the team.

      • Cape Breton says:

        Roy gave up on the coach not the team. By the way, it was not the GM he told, it was the owner, Ron Corey, who always sat behind the Habs bench.

        • Bill says:

          Ronald Corey was not the owner, since you’re correcting that guy.

          He actually did quit the team. As in, he said he wouldn’t play for them anymore. Yes, it was because of the coach, but he still quit the team. As in, he QUIT. Tha is one weak equivocation you’re trying out there.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

  8. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Is it a bit incredible how Bruins drafted a 2nd overall (Seguin) and Habs will have top 5 pick 2 years later? I just hope our draftee player will be better than Seguin for many years to come.

    “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

    • SlovakHab says:

      the chances are not big, my friend.
      Seguin is really good.

      • SnowManHabs85 says:

        Then again, we haven’t seen our future star player play yet with the Habs, who knows for sure right?

        “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  9. habs001 says:

    If we improve our scoring next year by any significant amount it will have to come from the draft pick, prospect or ufa/trade…the present lineup will not score that much more…dd/maxpac/cole had tremendous career years, we can hope they score even more next year but we can only hope they can repeat this years totals…plecks will probably finish with about 17 he may score 5 more goals next year..gion has to score 20 goals next year just to match his and ak46 totals…eller again career year we can expect maybe 5 more goals…borque may be the key but do we want him the be the key based on what we have seen of him…the rest of the forwards are basically 1-7 goal scorers…any injuries to our scorers and we have no bottom 6 players to take the slack for them…

  10. thethrillisgone says:

    Well, at least we set a new team record… n’importe quoi.

  11. Cape Breton says:

    KK = class act, indeed. And a great song.

    Thanks Mr. Boone.

  12. Habsrule1 says:

    I’ve yet to hear an actual argument against Roy as coach. All I hear is we don’t need a hothead (yes we do) and omg he has a police record (for punching a wall in his homw…wooptidoo).

    Any actual reasons not to hire him, besides no Pro coaching experience (by his own choice, by the way)?

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Propwash says:

      There hasn’t really been a solid reason why he should be coach or GM for the Habs either.

      “Access Forbidden” gettin’ ya down?
      Hold down Shift while clicking refresh.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Well, his success in the Q is a reason to give him an interview. Add to that the passion and competitive spirit he has had in everything he has done, and it’s a no-brainer (that he should be considered, not hande the job).

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Propwash says:

          Possibly, but coaching in the Q is an entirely different wave in a different ocean than coaching in the NHL. The NHL has massive contracts and massive egos to deal with too, which Roy, being as hotheaded as is claimed to be, would not get very far.

          “Access Forbidden” gettin’ ya down?
          Hold down Shift while clicking refresh.

          • HardHabits says:

            In life people get promoted. I suppose you think man walked with the dinosaurs too.

          • Cape Breton says:

            He played in the NHL and he knows all about it, unlike some no-name out of nowhere dude from god knows where. And best of all, Roy is a proven winner.

      • ProHabs says:

        How about he wouldn’t put up with the floating that half of this team has done this year. I am sure he wouldn’t keep putting Gomez back on the ice like Martin and Cunneyworth do.

        I am also sure Roy would want a tough team as well that would be a refreshing change from the team we have had the last 3 years (until getting Staubitz, thank goodness).

      • Cape Breton says:

        No, hire another fricken defensive, trap, sit-on-the-lead type of jerked off coach. Just like we’ve had since Pat Burns was canned.

    • Phil C says:

      Here is an argument against hiring a coach with no pro experience from this article:–cox-dale-hunter-faces-enormous-hurdles-in-washington

      “While you might think going straight from major junior hockey to the NHL is a time-honoured practice, it’s rarely been executed and has almost never worked.

      Of the coaches who have won Stanley Cups in the post-expansion era, none came directly from junior hockey. Many superb junior coaches over the years, from George Armstrong to Don Hay to Craig Hartsburg, haven’t fared well at all in the NHL.

      Of the 23 winners of the CHL coach-of-the-year award, only Ken Hitchcock (1990) went on to win a Stanley Cup, and Hitchcock did that after first apprenticing with three years as an NHL assistant and a year in the minors. Of the 33 different winners of the Jack Adams Trophy as NHL coach of the year, none went directly from junior hockey to the NHL.”

      • HardHabits says:

        How do you measure success? There is only one coach that won more than 1 Cup in the past 40-50 years. Scotty Bowman.

        • Psycho29 says:

          Don’t forget Al Arbour and Glen Sather….

        • ZepFan2 says:

          Psst… Toe Blake

          “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

          The Soft Parade

        • Phil C says:

          Al Arbour and Glen Sather are multiple Stanley Cup winners as coach. Babcock, Hitchcock and Bylsma have come close to multiple wins. Winning even one Stanley Cup is a great measure of success. But what I find striking about that stat is that not even one coach who has won a Stanley Cup or coach of the year followed the path straight from Junior.

          Dale Hunter is not exactly having a great season with Washington, despite lofty expectations. If Roy is the saviour of the Habs, wouldn’t it make more sense to give him a year or two in Hamilton? If he is successsful, he can come to the Habs early like Muller in Carolina. If he struggles, then give him another year or bring him up as an assistant. If he is too proud to follow this path, do you still really want him?

    • Stev.R says:

      From everything I’ve read, the number one reason for Roy as head coach is so journalists will have some thing to write about. Hey, that sounds like it’s conducive to a winning environment.

      If Roy is made head coach then he better do everything possible to get the fanatics to calm the eff down, and not become a distraction himself.

      Everyone talks about the players, and the coaches and the managment as the reason Habs lose. I personally think it’s the culture. All of the irrational, ignorant, self-important fans who think they could do a better job and feel like they are entitled to have a winning franchise. They call for the heads of players and coaches and managers, and then 5 years later bitch about how we never give players a chance. That needs to change before anything else because those people aren’t fans, they’re cancer.

  13. Cape Breton says:

    The thing with Roy is nobody tells him what to do, so the GM job would be right up his alley. Interesting stuff.

    Roy to Elliotte Freedman regarding his current position with the Remparts: “The owner is happy with my performance, and I am the owner. The GM is happy with my performance, and I am the GM, and the coach is happy with my performance and I am the coach.”

    • ProHabs says:

      Nobody tells Roy what to do because he is smart enough to know what the right thing to do is (with regards to hockey decisions). He doesn’t need to listen to the stupid ideas of others. He is a natural to take over control of the Habs and bring the fire and pride back to this team. Cam Neely was never mistaken for the calmest, nicest guy in the world but nobody wants Boston to win more than him and look what he has done in Boston. Unfortunately for us Habs, nobody messes with the Bruins.

      On April 9th, not only am I looking forward to the firing of Gauthier, I am also looking forward to hearing the end of season speech by Scott Gomez. The one where he says he will be back better than ever next year. I wonder if this guy is at all embarressed about how he has robbed the team and the fans.

      Gauthier will be leaving Roy (or the next GM) with as many bad contracts (Gomez, Kaberle, Bourque) as Ferguson left for Burke. And look how long it has taken Burke to do anything with the Leafs (5 years and counting).

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Actually, Bourque’s salary is in line with what he has produced this season. Hopefully, having different linemates every game contributed a bit to his lack of success. I hope he’s better next year. Kaberle has a decent amount of points but his contract does suck.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • ProHabs says:

          Bourque for 4 more years though. I could handle 1 or 2 more years of him but he is reminding me of Dustin Penner. A big body who just glides around the ice and doens’t want to get involved for fear of braking a fingernail.

      • Cape Breton says:

        Even with Fergie’s screwups before him, Burkie is doing a fantastic job of messing up the Leafs.

  14. alwayssunny says:

    Was there a memo sent out to TV and radio commentators that they are not allowed to refer to players directly? They can’t seem to say for instance “take Ryan McDonagh” or “take Jaroslav Halak”, no, they say “take a guy like …” Between that and “in a cap world” they make me want to scream.

  15. Mark C says:

    The Oil Cans take a 2 goal lead on the Blue Jackets. Oiler win and Montreal is in second!

    Edit: Steve Mason isn’t good. Man, is Hitchcock a good coach for goalies.

  16. jedimyrmidon says:

    So playoffs have begun in junior hockey all across the country. Seems like the Habs’ prospects are putting up points. Question is, is the team good mostly because of them? Or is it mostly the team being good helping them get the points? (particularly in Beaulieu’s case as he’s on the Sea Dogs and he’s supposed to be our top prospect)

  17. dre1744 says:

    has anyone else heard this rumor?

    A buddy of mine told me he heard can’t remember where. But If St. Patrick becomes the habs GM that Radulov will sign here as a FA july first……

    I know its a rumor or maybe the asshole is just making shit up, but can you imagine if we sign radulov and draft a top forward in the draft wow are team will instantly become a threat once again in the NHL.

    oh i think i’m waking up now!!!!!!!

  18. Bill says:

    If things go badly in Vancouver during the playoffs, maybe this could save us from putting the Canadiens in the clutches of a callow ego-maniac ex-goalie:

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  19. Exit716 says:

    I’m looking forward to Geoff Molson firing Gauthier on April 9

  20. alwayssunny says:

    I agree wholeheartedly with those who say this team isn’t french enough and point to the olden days when our great teams were dominated by great francophone players as proof. I was thinking maybe we should take the same approach we will take with our coach at the draft – take the best french-canadian kid available, like we did with Leblanc. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like there are any quebecois players projected to go in the first round. However, there is Derrick Pouliot and he at least sounds french.

    • matt jordan says:

      To be a good hockey team, or be french canadien. It’s hard enough to draft players that become NHLer’s, let alone placing the onus on the amateur scouting department to take french canadians.

      Unfortunately this team is neither, but I’d rather the Canadiens draft players like Brendan Gallagher, Morgan Ellis or Darren Dietz who have a chance at becoming NHL players, than some kid from the Q who speaks both languages.

      Boston won the Stanley Cup last year with a roster made up of Canadians from all parts of the country, their number one centre is Czech, their number two centre is from Quebec, their top defender is Slovakian, their goalies are from the US and Finland. The Bruins don’t care about where players are from, they cared whether they could play hockey or not. And the Bruins won the Stanley Cup.

      Don’t draft players because of where they are from, draft players based on whether they will become NHLers and bring value to the organization.

    • Bill says:

      … sarcasm?

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • matt jordan says:

        I think he/she’s trolling and i bit…

        EDIT- definately trolling,

        re: the comments below. Give Gauthier an extension, draft only Quebecois, draft Malcolm Subban…

        • alwayssunny says:

          with all due respect sir, I did not say “draft Subban”, I said I would not be surprised if Bob and Pierre do. They are very unpredictable men. I dont uderstand this “trolling” I am reflecting on a lot of the things I have learned reading the comments here and sharing them.

  21. habstrinifan says:

    Just for fun please choose 1 from the choices below by indicating A or B.

    A: Gauthier Can.

    B: Can Gauthier.

  22. jimmy shaker says:

    We all hated to see Boucher go to the bolts and leave the habs organization…….same for Muller. We thought one of these two gents was or should be the next coach of the big club, but it didn’t happen and the brass moved on. The canadiens have been an organization that has given many coach’s their first crack as a head coach in the NHL, sadly most of the time it never worked out. Our second last NHL experienced coach got us a cup, and we all know where JM got the team. My thoughts on Roy are…..I would love to see him behind the bench, I think he would do a much better job than all the other rookies that were given a crack at it, but unless your someone named Bylsma inheriting a star studded lineup, the job is a pretty unforgiveable one especially in Montreal. I’d love to see him behind the bench for all the good things he could bring to the team and organization but I’m stuck in the middle. Now that Quebec is a real strong player potentially, we all know that Patrick would be given the coach, gm and probably president nametags once they get their team back……..there would be another uprising on here even bigger than the boucher and muller rants. Bottom line is, I would hate to see patrick in another NHL city, especially quebec, so maybe just maybe the time for patrick to return is this summer and this summer only. I think if it’s not in the summer than it won’t happen for a long long long time if it does even happen at all!


  23. boing007 says:

    This just in:
    Quebec City Mayor Régis Labeaume and Quebecor Media Inc. have reached a final agreement on the construction of a $400-million amphitheatre for Quebec City.

    Construction of the 18,000-seat, multi-use sports complex is scheduled to begin in September and be completed in September 2015.

    The $400-million cost will be split between the provincial government and the city of Quebec, which is trying to persuade the National Hockey League to relocate a team to the provincial capital.

    Richard R

    • Duracell3 says:

      I really hope we get our team back, although I think it is stupid that there will probably be no revenue sharing structure to pay us back for the building.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Given that PK Peladeau is a small govt conservative opposed to handouts, I assume most of the money for this will come from the private sector.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        And when does all the money for a new sports arena /stadium ever come from the private sector.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          The Molson Centre, now called the Bell Centre, was entirely privately funded.

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Did not know that , but construction started 20 years ago so prehaps I should have stated lately(2000+).
            Unfortunatly the “Class Envy” comes into play here (reading your other posts). Yes who wants to see Millionare players playing in a building they don’t pay for. Unfortunatly short sightness also come into play. The economic effect that a Major League Franchise brings to a City (tourism, taxes from players salaries (Prov.) money paid to workers building the arena (and kick backs to Mafia in Quebec), ,parking,concession revenues etc are mostly not taken into the cost of the arena. And of course the opposition politicans who will rant about the spending of the money to further their fortunes. Now prehaps Quebec Politicans have memories ot “the Big O” and don’t want to be tared with the same brush.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

      • habstrinifan says:

        Wanna bet?

      • boing007 says:

        Surely you jest.

        Richard R

    • nbsjfan says:

      Little wonder taxes are as high as they are in Quebec. Citizens funding an arena for Billionaires so they can play. If the Nordiques make money, how much will be returned to the taxpayers? Hmmmmm, let me see, NOTHING. If I lived in Quebec I’d be up in arms over this.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        That wouldn’t explain why taxes are high now. It might explain why they’ll go up.

        To date Quebec has famously refused to grant sports arenas sweetheart deals, unlike most American cities and/or states.

        The Nordiques left Quebec in the first place because govt refused to bail them out and build them an arena.

        Premier Landry also refused to fund an Expos ballpark, which led that team to leave.

        The province and city have also consistently refused to give an (unwarranted) tax break to the Bell Centre.

        Funding arenas from taxpayer dollars is an American phenomenon; one which Canada and Quebec have to date resisted.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          In Winnipeg both the MTS center and now the new Blue Bomber stadium were full of Gov’t money in fact the new football stadium is all gov’t money. BTW if an Asper suddenly comes in and say’s they will build an arena for free, run for the hills and take your pocketbook with you.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

        • boing007 says:

          ‘Funding arenas from taxpayer dollars is an American phenomenon; one which Canada and Quebec have to date resisted.’

          Until now.

          Richard R

  24. habstrinifan says:

    Re Gomez….
    ZepFan2 March 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    A garden gnome comes to mind.

    HardHabits March 25, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    Ah yes. The Gnomez

    Funny stuff!

  25. habstrinifan says:

    I started reading calmy, ready to grant every poster the constitutioal right to speak their piece, ready to weigh their presentations and acknowledge that there is no divine doctrine to be obtained from any one viewpoint.. including mine.

    But then the acquiescence of the “wasnt meant to be” theories and the increasing foolhardy placidness which reason that there is a certain plausibleness to our abidance in the skid-row tenements of the NHL got to me, as more and more blithely suggested that PG, had after all, done some GOOD!

    I could say shut to F UP but that would be rude and uncivil. Even mired in angry despair, I must not be rude and uncivil. My Mom would not have that.

    So I will not suggest that the PG(management) apologists shut to F UP! Rather I suggest that you take the stat “team record 47 loss and counting” and CHEW on it for the rest of the day.

    If I am correct and you have acquired the etiquette to chew with your mouths closed, we would have the same quieting effect as if I had made the repulsive suggestion that you SHUT TO F UP… which of course I am not.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      ““team record 47 loss and counting””

      1985-86 Detroit Red Wings:

      80 games – 17 wins – 57 losses – 6 ties = 40 points.

      Took them 12 years to get back to winning the cup.

      My point? All is not lost!

      “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

      The Soft Parade

    • alwayssunny says:

      You can’t win them all. Things just didn’t go our way this season. Look, Mr. Molson has clearly stated that Pierre isn’t going anywhere. So let’s support him as many have below. Do we know better than our GMs? No. That’s why they are where they are, and we are where we are. Your negativity isn’t helping anything. You focus on the 47 losses but those overtime losses could have just as easily been wins, and then you would be hanging your flags from your car by now and driving around screaming and yelling.

      • habstrinifan says:

        OK! Now you have my attention. How recently did Mr. Molson say that Mr. Gauthier isnt going anywhere.

        And if this happens to be the case I would support the team but rile against the decision.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          Yes, where did you get the word the Goat is not going anywhere?
          Does not bode well for the Habs.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

        • alwayssunny says:

          Well he hasn’t said anything recently but as you know ours is an organization that like to play their cards close to their vest, very close. The last time he said it was hmmm I want to say we were playing Toronto that night. Just before the all star break? When Mr. Gainey decided to step out of the shadows where he had been hiding and stand alongside his partner Pierre in solidarity. Anyway, hopefully he will not feel pressure from the “fans” and media who blame our GMs for everything but the weather. I would like to see Pierre get a contract extension so him and Bob can make more deals in confidence rather than looking over their shoulders wondering when they will be asked to appoint a new GM and then take another job in the organization.

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            The Leafs game before the all-star game… so at the beginning of the season? you’re full of it. Besides, JM was giving a vote of confidence about 3 weeks before he was fired. Don’t expect the owner to come out and say “oh this guy is so fired once there’s a good replacement available”

          • alwayssunny says:

            I’m sorry Trisomy but I may have been wrong about it being the day we played the Leafs. It was february 26, not that long ago. If you would like a hand with google let me know. I care much more about this team than you do and obviously follow them much closer so I must request that you never contradict me again.

    • foghorn11 says:

      roy and hartly just what he habs need 2 good irishmen keep up the molson boycot till gauthier is gone

      t lett

    • boing007 says:

      Have you ever tried STFU? Same message, less typing.

      Richard R

  26. alwayssunny says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we use our first pick to acquire Malcolm Subban, or even if we traded up just to make sure. Us older fans who remember Patrick Roy know what a great goalie can do for the CH. Bob and Pierre think outside the box, they do not have normal thought processes. Just a thought.

  27. ZepFan2 says:

    @ Jdub

    Regular season record from 70-71 to last year;

    The Wings:

    100+ pts – 15 times (11 times straight since 1999 to 2010)

    90+ pts – 4 times

    80+ pts – 2 times

    70+ pts – 6 times

    60+ pts – 6 times

    50+ pts – 5 times

    40+ pts – 2 times

    The Habs:

    100+ pts – 14 times (8 times straight from 74-75 to 81-82)

    90+ pts – 14 times

    80+ pts – 6 times

    70+ pts – 5 times

    60+ pts – none

    50+ pts – none

    40+ pts – 1 (strike season)

    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

    The Soft Parade

  28. Mr. Biter says:

    A bit of fun and hope this works as copy and paste are not my strong points. National anthem of Kazatskan played in Kuwait after a female gymnaist won the competition and organizers googled for the National Anthem but instead found and played the version from “Borat”.
    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  29. Mavid says:

    no doubt we would have faired alot better had we not had so many injuries..that is not a excuse it the truth..the Pens seem to have fought thought it but that apprear’s to be rare..a healthy habs team would be talking about the playoff run right now..I have no doubt

    • SPATS says:

      Shows how valuable coaching is when you compare Mtl to Pitts. Our lack of leadership has always been the issue. Look no further than Erik Cole admirably filling the vacuum when all others went down.


      • Habsrule1 says:

        Don’t give all the credit to coaching. Having a Malkin & Staal around when you lose Crosby doesn’t hurt. The pens “tanked” for 4 years to get the players they have.
        Coach Habsrule1: “Ok Geno. Get on the ice. Try to score or something.”
        Geno: “Ok Coach.”
        HIO Faithful: “That Habsrule1 guy is an awesome coach.”

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • HardHabits says:

          Which is why the Pens replaced Therrien with Bylsma

          • Habsrule1 says:

            To be fair those players are better now than they were when Therrien was there. Experience goes a long way, even for players that talented. Basically, I doubt many coaches could have gotten the results Bylsma got with most other teams. Also, many coaches may have looked as good or almost as good as Bylsma with the stacked team he has.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    List of man-games lost to injuries:

    In the top half only 6/15 teams are in the playoffs.

    In the bottom half 10/15 are in.

    Boston have lost 40 man games to injury. The Habs 280.

    The correlation between games lost and points is -0.35, which is significant (p = 0.03 for you stats buffs).

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      Of course it’s significant. Even more so when the men lost are Brian Gionta and Andrei Markov.

      To Boston that’s the equivalent of Zdeno Chara and Milan Lucic.

    • rnnoble says:

      Statistically significant, but only accounts for a little over 12% of the variance in points gained.

      The habs would have done much better without all the injuries, but there are other problems with the team that need to be rectified.

  31. FanCritic says:

    will I guess our season is near the end. Sad to say we won’t be in the playoffs.I guess that’s what happens when you can’t win enough games in Regulation, along with too many overtime and shoot out losses. to sum it up the lack of offence coupled with an inexperience Defence did us in. wait for the playoffs now and see what the Habs can bring next year 2012-2013.

  32. vegas says:

    Roy Clearly stated earlier this year that he wanted to be at the ice level and coach

  33. Price07 says:

    Roy as GM? I dunno, i’d say ok to coach but not to GM, thats a huge position.

    • Jdub1985 says:

      Who cares … what has the last GM done? Take a team that was first in the East at 47 – 25 – 10 and dismantle for three smurfs that all for various reasons don’t even play for us anymore.

      At least Roy like Therrien and unlike JM has rage behind his eyes – maybe a few cut throat gestures and stick tosses wouldn’t hurt.

  34. Jdub1985 says:

    So the NYR win a cup in 1994 take about 18 years of rebuilding and voila cup contenders once again.

    How have the Habs done worse? Was that fluke of a run 2 years back the best and last opportunity for another 18 years?

    How does the Detroit Red Wings compete for cup contention consistently year in and year out every generation, yet Montreal in similar prestige and nobility fail so miserably, where the best to be expected is 8th seed bubble heights?

    Tell me this isn’t a language problem?

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Well if you go back to 70-71 to present day, the Wings missed the playoffs 14 times, lost in the 1st round 9 times, 2nd round 7 times, 3rd round 4 times, finals 2 times.

      They did manage to win a few cups along the way though, 4 times.

      “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

      The Soft Parade

      • Jdub1985 says:

        Lets look at the past 20 years and compare reg season records

        • ZepFan2 says:

          The regular season means bubkus. It’s all about the bling and the Holy grail.

          Since 70-71 to present day, the Habs were out of the playoffs 7 times (counting this year), lost in the 1st round 11 times, 2nd round 10 times, 3rd round 4 times, finals once.

          They also won some cups along the way, 8 times.

          “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

          The Soft Parade

  35. Mavid says:

    your me..this is a sad day…i will mourn all day…no playoffs…sigh..and whats with the Pens..they were suppose to push those stupid turds out of that spot..and off their lofty perch
    now I have to wait for a couple more games and there is not to many left..lucky for me though I can console myself with a nice trip to Hawaii..I leave on Thursday..just in time..

  36. habsfaninphx says:

    Here’s an idea we’ve overlooked. How about Gomer as player-coach. Maybe part of his salary cap number could be allocated to his coaching role. And if he’s a really good coach he’d bench himself or even force himself to retire. Just a thought.

  37. LA Loyalist says:

    Would someone please take me down to the St. Lawrence, weigh me down with a dozen copies of the Joe Beef cookbook and some chains and drown me.

    It would be an act of mercy. Failing that, I am heading to Paris to light candles in Notre Dame and listen to sacred music at St. Chapelle – and drink – profusely and profoundly at 0-Chateau.

    I expect to come back and read that there has been a “night of the long knives” and the appropriate heads are on pikes, posted above the city walls.

    G*d have mercy on us.

  38. boing007 says:

    Last night on RDS both Benoit Brunet and Mario Tremblay stated that if the Coyotes eventually become the New Nordiques that they would have to get rid of coach Dave Tippett. Unilingual coaches are verboten. They also added that their GM could stay possibly one more year before he, too, should get the sack.

    Richard R

  39. rhino514 says:

    The governments of Cataluña and Quebec have negociated a fast track accord for entry of skilled catalonian professionals to work and live in Quebec.

    In about five years from now, after the pseudo-spaniards have had their way with pure laine Quebecers, trust me, we will BEG to go back to the time when all that was asked for was a preference to have a coach be able to communicate in the language of the masses, or the inclusion of a simple distinct society phrase in the preamble (not in the body itself) of a constitution.

  40. TomNickle says:

    New Jersey
    – Let Gomez and Gionta walk for nothing in return via free agency.
    – Have no prospects other Adam Larsson worth a damn. Terrible drafting record in recent years.

    New York Islanders
    – HAHA

    New York Rangers
    – Probably the cream of the crop in terms of drafting and signing free agents in the NHL. Many people point to Peter Chiarelli and Ken Holland as the best GMs in the league. Funny enough, Glen Sather, the guy who’s taken heat for years, is probably been the best over the last half decade.

    Philadelphia Flyers
    – Great drafting, better development but Paul Holmgren gave a ridiculous contract to an unstable goaltender who at any point could upset the balance of his locker room. He’s struckout almost as much as he’s hit homeruns.

    Pittsburgh Penguins
    – Sucked their way into Crosby, Malkin and others. Drafted Jordan Staal ahead of Jonathan Toews, Eric Tangradi ahead of PK Subban, Marc Andre Fleury ahead of Eric Staal.

    Boston Bruins
    – Got nothing back for Joe Thornton other than the cap space to acquire Zdeno Chara. Other than Dougie Hamilton, they have nothing in the cupboard to replace an older defense group.

    Buffalo Sabres
    – Let Daniel Briere walk for nothing via free agency. Same with Henrik Tallinder. Darcy Regier does happen to be one of the better GMs in the league though.

    Ottawa Senators
    – Bryan Murray acquired what I believe to be the laziest team in NHL history last season. Sergei Gonchar, Jason Spezza, Alex Kovalev, Marek Svatos, Brian Lee and Filip Kuba. The Dany Heatley traded got him a horrible return forgotten due to a nice year from Milan Mihalek this season

    Toronto Maple Leafs
    – Brian Burke made the Kessel trade. Terrible regardless of how you look at it. He wouldn’t know goaltending if it slapped him in the face. He’s kept quite possibly his most skilled player in the organization in the AHL for too long and has actually criticized him to the media instead of behind closed doors in a face to face way. He gave Mike Komisarek his contract.

    Carolina Hurricanes
    – Jim Rutherford is very good at finding talent but he’s failed in a number of areas. His team is incredibly thin at forward and on defense with a recipe of ingredients that just doesn’t fit. Perhaps the opposite of Dale Tallon who seems to know how to put a bunch of wildly different pieces together and make it work.

    Florida Panthers
    – Dale Tallon is tremendous. He gets blamed for tenders not being faxed or mailed on time to pending restricted free agents during his time in Chicago. What a joke that is and what class he has for not coming out and crucifying the administrator who was responsible. He is perhaps the best talent evaluator in the league.

    Tampa Bay Lightning
    – Steve Yzerman has already sacrificed a lot of the future to win now and yet tells the media he saw this bad season coming. He drafted a kid who refused an MRI, failed to address goaltending and defense which are his organizations’ two biggest weaknesses. Has hired a coach who while a hero here, doesn’t use a system that sells tickets which is a grave mistake in a market that needs an exciting brand of hockey.

    Washington Capitals
    – They’ve done a nice job of finding talent and continue to do so with Karl Alzner, John Carlsson, Mathieu Perreault, Evgeni Kuznetsov and others. But the management of the present day roster is lacking in consistency and accountability. If Ovechkin was overweight and running the locker room that falls at management’s feet. You can’t win in the NHL with a player taking 2 minute shifts every time he touches the ice.

    Winnipeg Jets
    – Kevin Chevldayoff inherited an excellent young roster and it seems moving to a hockey city has improved the results. What he acquired for Jonny Oduya was fantastic. The book is still out but I feel that the focus on hiring homegrown people in that organization may come back to bite them.

    Glen Sather, Dale Tallon and Peter Chiarelli are probably the only General Managers in the Eastern Conference who’ve done a better job than the management team in Montreal has. In the West, Ken Holland is very fortunate to have an owner like Mike Illitch and a player like Nick Lidstrom to make it all work, they’ve failed in the draft as much as they’ve found gold, and they’ve done so with high round picks. The Blues lost their talent evaluator so we’ll see how well they draft in the next few years without him. Nashville doesn’t do a great job of finding offensive talent in the draft but Barry Trotz makes it all work and hides a lot of problems with David Poile’s management. Scott Howson is lucky to have a job in hockey with the way he’s operated. Stan Bowman has run a team that Dale Tallon built into the ground. Darryl Sutter was an abomination in Calgary, quite possibly the most talent starved organization in the NHL. Colorado is the worst team in the league without two lottery picks and the Varlamov trade was laughable at best. Steve Tambellini is just figuring out now that you do in fact need some defensemen to win in the NHL. Kevin Lowe funny enough didn’t seem to know that. Chuck Fletcher has the biggest collection of inadequate players in the league. Mike Gillis runs an organization that complains more than it plays hockey. Trading Cody Hodgson for Zach Kassian will be seen as a homerun for the Sabres for years. Bob Murray is doing a nice job in Anaheim. Joe Nieuwendyk has been dreadful. Sheldon Souray probably being the only half intelligent move he’s made. Trading James Neal for Alex Goligoski was pitifully stupid. Dean Lombardi has done a good job overall. But trading what he did for Dustin Penner and again for Jeff Carter were awful moves. Don Maloney has also done a great job. Doug Wilson just traded a star in the making in Jamie McGinn for a couple of pluggers.

    Grass is always greener on the other side. Be careful what you wish for.

  41. TomNickle says:

    Of all of the posts to go double…sheesh.

    • HabFab says:

      Good recovery though.
      PS good post 😉

      • TomNickle says:

        Haha. Thanks. Just bothers me that people point to two or three bad moves and use that as justification for people in the hockey business being fired. For every “bad” move Gainey or Gauthier has made, there’s probably been two or three made by 25 General Managers in the NHL currently working under that title.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Tom, good post but none of those teams have shown the management miscues that we’ve seen from PG. The trading of a player between periods, firing of a coach hours before a game and the way RC was treated during the uproar of his hiring. Time to move on.

          • TomNickle says:

            I don’t disagree but there’s more to each story than the media and fans are made aware of. People see the firing of Jacques Martin on game day as a bad move. And while I don’t agree with the way Cammalleri’s deal was handled the Martin firing doesn’t irk me one bit. It’s about shock factor, a wake up call to the team, and with the proper coach replacing Martin, it probably would have worked to a small degree.

            Cammalleri by the way is owed nothing by this organization. And with the team’s bad luck over the last few years with injuries, can you really blame them for pulling him in the middle of the game?

            I can’t.

  42. HardHabits says:

    Boone makes many good points but he is still part of the delusional crowd.

    The Canadiens are better than their woeful record suggests and will be better still with a healthy Andrei Markov in the opening-night lineup next season.

    I hate to break it to you Mr. Boone but the Habs are as woeful as their record suggests. To suggest otherwise is to join the ranks of those who claim that losing to the Bruins in OT of game 7 was some kind of victory.

    The Habs have played over their heads since the rebuild and this season have finally regressed to the mean.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like your opinion, man.” 😛

      “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

      The Soft Parade

    • They wouldn’t have been so woeful if Gomer had been used properly this season. Ain’t his fault not one of the people running the franchise realized he should be plying his trade in the freakin’ “E.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      What the Habs are is close to being an 8 seed play-off team. What we aren’t is close to a cup contender. IMO the focus needs to be on defense. Most nights we spend overwhelmingly minutes in our own zone chasing the puck. That’s why Gorges leads the league in blockies. Add the fact that a new management team and coaching staff will be put in place, this is not going to happen overnight. Sadly.

    • HabFab says:

      Will disagree somewhat, we had our normal mediocre team but in Bettman’s NHL 5 can get you 10. Less injuries (5 more wins) with a little luck (5 shot out victories) and we are tied with Ottawa YEAH!
      I understand your being tired of supporting mediocricy but don’t believe tanking is our solution, of course a high draft pick never hurts 🙂 . I’m of the school that Dryden quote that Montreal had an important decision to make “be good or be French” has had way too much impact on the decision making here and from UFA’s.
      I guess within that frame I have accepted mediocre…

  43. I was out watching the Union/U Mass game in Bridgeport last night. I take it we got off the schneid due to a hatty by Gomer? The Cup will be ours this year. We just have to track down that Cup-Keeper dude and steal it when he’s in the john!

  44. slapshot777 says:

    I’ve been a Habs fan all my life and seen some bad teams, but I guess with the ever growing media circus and all the ever growing Internet, twitter and websites.

    The pressure to have a winning team has never been greater and the pressure to have certain players or management in place has never been greater.

    This may have still been around in the sixties and seventies and even the eighties and nineties. But you never heard as much about it. But today you go to bed hearing it and you wake up to hearing the same old garbage.

    Put the best possible players on the ice period. Forget nationality, ethnic back ground why’s language he speaks. If people want a winner that crap has to go on the back burner.

    If you want that crap to be the deciding factor as to how you assemble your team then don’t bitch because you are part of the problem and not the solution and your team will forever wallow in it’s own self pity and crap.

  45. slapshot777 says:

    @ dtoight

  46. slapshot777 says:

    As to you point in number 6. You say it is not the media will, it is that is why Toronto is in the same bolt. They have too many media people who think they are the experts. They too are just now beginning to preach of how Toronto should be taking more players from the Ontario area instead of other regions.

  47. 69HABS says:

    Roy’s dream is to be a part of a NHL team in his native QC. Will he take a GM job in Montreal to build a great team to compete with QC in 2 – 4 yrs?

  48. L Elle says:

    Sunday morning joke: Reminds me of Habs’ season for some reason 😉

    Two businessmen in the center of town were sitting down for a
    break in their soon-to-be new shop…As yet, the shop wasn’t ready, with only a few shelves set up.

    One said to the other, “I bet any minute now some pensioner
    is going to walk by, put their face to the window, and ask what we’re selling.”

    No sooner were the words out of his mouth when, sure enough,
    a curious old woman walked to the window, had a peek, and in a soft voice asked, “What are you selling here?”

    One of the men replied sarcastically, “We’re selling a-holes.”

    Without skipping a beat, the old dear said,
    “Must be doing well… Only two left.”

  49. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’m not personally in favor of a language requirement for GM or coach – however the facts are as follows:

    1. The Habs are less Francophone now than ever. Also worse than ever.
    2. This genius GM or coach who would bring us to the promised land but for the fact that he doesn’t speak French – who is he exactly?
    3. The French media are to blame? No, Bob Gainey and Pierre Gauthier are to blame.
    4. The Nordiques entered the league in 1980. The precise moment when we started our death spiral. Hard to see how they would solve our problems. We’d still be discussing the Habs in July and calling for the coach to be fired after every loss.
    5. Maybe just maybe Randy Cunnyworth is not good? i.e. it isn’t the French media who have made him the worst coach (record wise) in recent Hab history. Of course, the French media who wish he spoke French are deluding themselves: he, like 90% of everyone associated with hockey, has nothing to say (“We need to play a more direct game”).
    6. The media/fan pressure on the Habs is certainly a problem, but it has nothing to do with the French media per se. Toronto has the same issues.
    7. David Fischer picked instead of Claude Giroux.
    8. Now name one example of the Habs picking a French player when they should have chosen someone else instead.
    9. Molson has not yet made major changes, which was prudent. This has nothing to do with language issues. The idea that Molson is only interested in selling beer to Quebecois doesn’t explain anything.

    In other words, this team’s pitiful state has zero to do with any language requirement.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • 69HABS says:

      “we started our death spiral”
      The Habs have won two cups since 1980!

      • habsfaninphx says:

        Didn’t Rejean Houle and Mario Tremblay start the death spiral?

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          They accelerated it.

          Irving Grundman started it.

          Or more appropriately, the Molson family who hired Irving Grundman started it.

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • gauver says:

        HabFan is benchmarking the team’s performance against its last great years which is appropriate. By that measure, despite winning two Cups, he is correct. If we had been a contender the way the Red Wings have been over the last 20 years, the lack of Cup wins would be easier to bear. To be so bad in so many seasons since ’79 is tough to take for those who remember watching truly great teams play in the Forum. Maybe HabFan is right; I should just quit the Habs and start cheering for the Penguins but I can’t. Good or bad, I am a Hab fan for life; it’s starting to feel like a sentence.

    • gauver says:

      The beginning of the team’s demise when Scott Bowman left after the ’78-’79 season, one year after Sam Pollock left. Bowman should have been the new GM; he had learned under Selke and Pollock and he had earned it. We have never been the same since. The advent of the No Dicks in the NHL is coincidental.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Of course it is. My point is that the notion that bringing the Diques back will solve our problems is difficult to defend.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • gauver says:

          I guess it depends on the extent to which the ownership and top management of the team believe that it is important to win or maintain the support of Quebec hockey fans by demonstrating the Canadiens as francophone institution by insisting on the ability to speak French as a key qualification to manage or coach the team. The return of the Nordiques could cause the Habs leadership to try to prove that the Canadiens are more Quebecois than they are. In that respect, I agree with you that the return of the Nordiques will not solve our problems.

      • Jim Edson says:

        Why did Bowman leave? Because as GM he wanted to blow up the team after 1979 which he felt was aging and retool!

        Management(aka Grundman) felt differently!

        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

        • gauver says:

          does that mean you think Bowman was wrong? what do you think Pollock did in the late ’60’s and ’70’s – he traded roster players for expansion team draft picks which he then used to draft future hall of fame players! This is what Bowman learned and what he wanted to do after 1979! Instead, ownership trusted an idiot who drafted Wickenheiser.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Drafting Doug Wickenheiser wasn’t a mistake. If you look at his junior record he had a better career than Denis Savard. He was ‘le gros joueur de centre’ that everybody was clamouring for. He just didn’t pan out, for whatever reason, in the pros, while Mr. Savard did.

            Prof Caron wasn’t an idiot for drafting him, everybody else in the league would have made the same decision, he was just unlucky.

            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


    • HabFab says:

      I do hear you but playing the devil’s advocate here (HH being busy signing autographs);
      1- re #8 may I present Eric Chouinard but it is a rarity I’ll grant.
      2- having less Quebecois has more to do with Quebec minor hockey falling behind Canada and United States in development. Heck, the Maritimes is producing more and better players right now. This started in the 80’s and was based on political which ties into language issues.
      3- as for the press not so sure. The Toronto media may get crazy but it can get elevated to a whole other level in Quebec IMO.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        1. Chouinard was one heckuva bust. His junior linemate was Simon Gagne and he was available.
        2. Absolutely.
        3. Toronto media are a different kind of crazy. Here we destroy players. There they build them up beyond what they deserve.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Jim Edson says:

      How about Danny Geoffrion , Eric Chouinard, Eric Charron, Jose Charbonneau, Alain Heroux ?

      All first rounders who amounted to squat.

      So, it happens both ways.

      Remember Doug Wickenheiser, Lindsay Vallis, David Wilkie, Terry Ryan and David Fisher again all first rounders who contributed squat.

      What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

    • Malreg says:

      #8: Mathieu Carle instead of Artem Anisimov, Blake Geoffrion, Jamie McBain, Mike Weber.

      Olivier Fortier instead of Jamie Benn, Keith Aulie.

      Louis Leblanc instead of Chris Kreider could turn out to be another one in a few years, still too early to tell. Kreider went one pick later, and he’s a 6″2 power-forward left-winger, currently lighting up the NCAA.

  50. DorvalTony says:

    “I’m fed up with shot blockers.” – Michel Bergeron

    Where are the rushes, the breakout passes, the hits, the fights, the goals, the clearing out of the front of the net? Shot blocking. Please.

  51. naweed235 says:

    Name three NHL players you would like to punch in the face.

    1. Brad Marchand
    2. Chris Letang
    3. Danny Briere

  52. adamkennelly says:

    Do we really want Hartley as a coach? and what benefit does Roy bring as GM? – as a coach – all about intensity, experience, respect from the players and motivation….

  53. habsfaninphx says:

    The problem with Roy for GM is a lack of real experience. I’d hate to see the Habs be his “learning experience”. There are too many GMs out there who would be jumping at the chance to take advantage of him.

    I’d like to see a guy like Paul Fenton of Nashville come in. He’s been in hockey management for years. He was responsible for their draft when they took Ryan Suter and Shea Weber. He’s helped build them into a serious Cup contender this year. The only drawback is that language thing, I don’t think he speaks French.

    But that’s the kind of guy we need in here. Not a flashy name with no experience, but a lesser known with years of “successful” experience.

  54. slapshot777 says:

    Yes the Habs had French players while the Nordiqueswere around, but it was because of a few reasons.

    1. There were more French players around to choose from then now.

    2. The QMJHL was a better league producing better talented French players years ago then now. The numbers don’t lie. Look them up if you wish.

    3. It seemed as though more players were willing to play for the Habs and Nordiques years ago then they are now. Lacavalier is a good example. Only after constant badgering dishes come out and say he wouldn’t mind going to Montreal. At first when there was talk he was saying that he was not willing to leave Tampa Bay.

    4. Look at the last two cups that the Habs won they had both French GM and coach with ” experience” not people in position to learn on the job.

    5. It’s got nothing to do with French fans versus anglo fans. I got news for you the Habs got their tradition not from the French fans alone but from the wide spread fan base from around the world. So don’t go thinking that the French fans are the be all end all for this team.

    6. The rest of the fans other than the French ones not to belabor the point have just as much passion for this team to win as well. The only difference being that we probably look at it from an overall picture while the French media looks at it from a provincial picture. This will never equate to winning , and as much as people thinks it will your only blowing smoke out your a$$.

    7. The Canadiens are playing against teams from North America and against players from around the world. If people think that the French player is the best, then look at the junior leagues. Why are they becoming less and less competitive and why are scouts ranking the players that are of French descent lower in the rankings. I’m thinks it’s not because of being racist or anything but rather talent. If it’s not there than it’s not there. Teams including the Canadiens will draft the best possible player, whether he be French, Russian, Swede, or from some other country.

    To keep implying that the Habs need more French players is foolishness. If you want to find out the truth do an overall full detail poll throughout the province and ask the serious questions:

    Do you prefer a competitive Habs team made of of the best players, French included, or predominantly made up of French players on the team.

    Do you prefer a French GM and Coach or the best possible candidate for each position.

    Does your captain have to be a French player or the best player deemed to be the best leader on the team as voted by the team.

    Would you think less of the team and support them less or buy less Molson product if the team was mostly not of French players including GM and Coach. Yet was a very competitive team.

    Ask these questions and see where your poll lies and then at least you may get a better understanding of what the people expect rather than listening to the media saying this is what is needed.

    • Cal says:

      1. Comparing a 6 team league to the present 30 team league and then expecting the per capita rate of Quebecois players to remain the same doesn’t equate. There are only about 50 of those in the league or about 1.666 per team.
      2. The QMJHL still produces average to great NHL players. The hard part is drafting the ones that pan out.
      3. As the media coverage has gone to 24/7 about the Habs, it’s no wonder many shun the humungous SPOTLIGHT that is directed at them. Up until a few years ago, most fans watched 1 or at most 2 games per week. Now, every game and every bleeping play is broken down and analyzed to the point where EVERY mistake draws a headline.
      4. Can’t argue with that.
      5. French Canadian fans are 85% of the team’s ticket buyers and paraphernalia buyers. Yes, the Habs have fans around the world, but the market is still metro-Montreal. Recognizing who spends money for your product is the marketing department’s #1 priority. Next, you sell your product to those people. You may call it pandering, but most businesses call that “servicing your clientele.”
      6. The French media aren’t selling their articles to out of town English readers and aren’t watched by most out-of-province television viewers.
      7. Average players who are Quebecois should get the nod over average players from elsewhere. It services the clientele. Just like the laffs should have more people from Ontario on it. It’s the “local boy” aspect that helps local fans identify with the team. Remember Claude Raymond for the spos? Or Larry Walker?

    • boing007 says:

      I think that there are more than 50 francophone players in the NHL. Perhaps 70. Regardless, that’s a pretty good percentage for a province of 7 million or so, surrounded by 300 plus million in the rest of North America.

      Richard R

  55. novahab says:

    As I said last night Boone Roy will be the next coach of this team. PG will remain the GM but he will have no say on player personal that will be up to Roy. Look for Roy to lead at the draft table.

  56. Habfan10912 says:

    I think Quebec City better hurry and get this arena built. Phoenix is hemorrhaging money and is dying quickly. Kansas City, Seattle, Hamilton, GTA and Vegas all seem to be prepared now to welcome them. They might have to wait for the next failed Betman franchise. Florida. Devils. Nashville.Dallas.

  57. PureGuava says:

    Gauthier and Gainey need to be gone before the draft.

    I’m a little hesitant to have Roy anywhere near this team, but anything’s better than the Clown Regime we have just witnessed.

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    – Robert Anton Wilson

  58. habstrinifan says:

    Feeling bad? Take two hockey pucks to the face.. kick the dog.. retreat to the basement and try this.

  59. habstrinifan says:

    Boone thanks for the video but if you really wanna drown your sorrows youtube johnny’s version.

    Lighthearted YOUTUBE version of Johnny Cash Sunday Morning….

    Enjoy; Kris Kristofferson is good but lightweight compared to Johnny.

    • HabFab says:

      KK actually wrote the song and he was obviously having a hard time perform it at the Johnny Cash memorial concert.

      • habstrinifan says:

        True! KK was a great songwriter but strangely his singing/performances never dug deep enough to match the lyrics of his songs.

        Sorry if I sounde dlike I was putting KK down. Wasnt. Just I am a worshipper at Johnny’s feet.

  60. slapshot777 says:

    All we will be doing by hiring Roy as a GM is we will be giving him experiernce to learn the ropes while knowing that at some point in time he will jump ship to Quebec team once they get in the league.

    He jumped ship as a player so no reason to think he wouldn’t as a GM either.

    • Ferguson says:

      In an interview earlier this season which was posted on this site, Patrick Roy stated quite firmly that he is NOT interested in the Manager’s job of the Canadiens. He would listen to the Canadiens regarding the coaching job as he wants to be close to the ice, be in the room/bench with the guys, etc. He joked that his wife is the manager at home so he has no experience being a manager.

      “If you don’t know what to do with the puck, shoot it at their net” – Toe Blake.

  61. BJ says:

    I have a question to those of you who might know better. Would a trade to Anaheim, our 1st pick and Plekanec for Getzlaf (I haven’t seen him play this year) be a good deal? That is providing the Habs would have a contract extension as I think he’s got one more year with the Ducks. If not who could we trade for that would be a sure bet to help. Or do we keep our first?

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    For those of you living in Harperland who believe the problem is the Frogs, why don’t you pick another team?

    Just pick another team and leave us alone.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Cal says:

      I’ll give an “hostie” to that.

    • HabFab says:

      Part of the problem is the French language issue BUT thumbs up for the Harperland line! Good one!

    • HardHabits says:


    • gauver says:

      I don’t believe that the problem “is the Frogs”; I believe that the problem is and has been poor leadership/management. I believe that the last competent general manager of the Canadiens was Sam Pollock, who happens to be the best in the history of the NHL. According to the Globe and Mail some years back, the most popular team in Canada, including English Canada, is Montreal. Therefore, the Canadiens are relevant outside of Quebec too and not just to “Frogs” (of which I am one, BTW).

  63. handyg says:

    Six games to go folks – the end of this sad season is near.
    The thing that worries me is that we are in for more of the same next season probably. Everyone hopes for a quick turn around similar to the Sens situation but they had a farm team full of prospects ready to make the jump to the NHL. The Habs have no one – proof is the fact that Bulldogs are 3rd worst in the AHL. All of our good prospects are going to Hamilton next season so they are realistically 2 or 3 years away.
    The rumors of the next coach/GM are already getting on my nerves – not 1 “expert” has talked who is the best candidate to rebuild this team and move forward – all I hear and read is who is French and available. The names being thrown around have 0 experience as an executive at the NHL level. Has no one learned anything from the mistakes done in the past? The more I hear this nonsense, the more I get this bad feeling that we are in for more of the same – I fear I will not see another Stanley Cup in Montreal in my lifetime …
    (sorry for doom-and-gloom – maybe it’s the grey weather outside? – but I don’t see much reason for cheering …)

  64. slapshot777 says:

    I always maintained that if Quebec get an NHL franchise it will benefit the Canadiens in more ways than one. Like before when the Nordiques were in the league, pretty much everybody in the French media left the Habs alone to pretty much do as they please.

    They were claiming the Nordiques as the face of Quebec which was perfect let them wallow in that shit pile we call the French media and politicians. The Habs still had their French canadian players on the team, but it was by choice not so much as being forced on them. The same went for the coach and GM.

    Everyone will think that with Quebec coming back in the league it will be the second coming of Christ. This is when the Habs will end up becoming a way better team and will again have the chance to rub it into the French media.

    We all know that from listening to them and reading from them that they know exactly what the Habs need and who the perfect fit will be, as long as he is from Quebec.

    The Habs will, once Quebec comes back in the league go about their daily routine doing hockey business the normal way just like other NHL teams do without the scrutiny of being microscoped by everyone in Quebec. They can put pretty much the best person in that position along with the best possible player on the ice as well, without backlash constantly coming from all sides of who should coach,be GM and what players should be playing on the team and where they should be playing.

    Let Quebec have to deal on a daily basis with this crap and see how good they will become. I can say positively that with the media constantly riding the coat tails of the new Quebec franchise they will be forever in mediocre because they will have to endure the same as what the Habs are enduring now.

    The only saving grace for Quebec fans to get on top is with two or three top five finishes for picks and then they may still want them to draft the best French player even though he may be ranked tenth overall.

    Yes friends, the Habs will be a force only when Quebec comes back in the fold of the league. You can mark this now as a fact.

    • gauver says:

      Molson still needs to sell beer to francophones in QC therefore, for that reason alone, he will continue to pander to the francophone fan base by insisting on a francophone (ideally Quebecois) head coach and general manager. He also needs to feel comfortable with francophone business leaders he might mix with socially. Perhaps I am being unfair but I have yet to see that Geoff Molson is able and willing to make the kind of decisions that will lead to this team becoming a serious Cup contender.

    • Cal says:

      While the Nordiques were around, the Habs always had many French Canadian players. Stop with the “it’ll take the pressure off to be French”. It won’t. Habs market for fans are French. That demographic isn’t going to change much.

      • gauver says:

        I think that the concern regarding the language that the management and coaching staff speak would dissipate if the team was a perennial Cup contender.

  65. The Dude says:

    Ok, for the Hab fans that don’t want changes and don’t want Roy:Wake Up! This is the worst Canadiens team EVER and THEY have the worst record for loses in their history EVER! So Roy, with out trying is a step up and if your wondering if he’s any good ask his junior players before spouting off!

  66. Captain aHab says:

    More worrying to me are the thoughts that Vinny Damphousse is being touted by some as a GM. He and Roy are the last 2 truly great francophones we’ve had so maybe the media will leave it alone after.

    Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

  67. nova scotia vees says:

    Bring in times. Tremblay for Coach so he can fire him! And maybe Patrick can teach Price how to play goal…how to compete on every shot in every game. Right now he is not the star goalie he thinks he is. I believe we are doomed with him in goal.

  68. Marc10 says:

    I’m really hoping we get some long term planning from whoever gets PG’s job.

    I want a plan to bring a contender to town. I want a roster with compatible players (ie, not three 5’9” guys on one line), built for a fricken war, not skating with the stars… No more panic decisions (Kaberle acquisition when we had refused to sign Hammer for half that term…) We stick with the plan… and please, pretty please… let’s have accountability.

    When a guy who is supposed to be your number one center can’t score more goals than a rookie who’s played 20 games, you fire that guy. You most certainly do not let him take 56 sec shifts or give him any powerplay time. You buy him out or you ship him off to the American League. It’s called having standards and a spine. You eat the 7M mistake and say to the fans, I am not letting you watch this crap. We have standards here (or at least we used to… and it’s about time we got some back!)

    So Geoff, here’s your big chance. Get that guy.

    PS: Good luck!

  69. ralphkim says:

    ROY, is not the best suited nor experienced to Manage a team…Let him start as Assistant….How about Hart;ey and Carbonneau…
    I was a big supporter of Cunneyworth but I am not so sure right now… ie. Eller play 14-16 minutes a game and Bourque who is as passive as hell gets almost 20 a game … The more Eller plays the better he is..
    To say the least…this Pickering resident who is always be a true HAB fan is very disappointed in what happened this year and we need to clean house of certain hangers on people and players and give us fans some hope

  70. Josh says:

    Roy for GM? Jesus, the Quebec media just never gives up.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Roy GM/Hartley coach is a more workable solution than Roy as coach and most anyone else as GM. Fact that Boone reported that Hartley is away in Europe away from it all at present is good in my eyes. And I deeply want Robinson somehow on staff… if Roy is coach that is not gonna happen. If Hartley coaches I see a better chance of Robinson being invited as an assistant.

      And Roy as GM makes it a lesser gut wrenching proposition if he were to leave and become the Quebec gm/coach than it would be if he were to quit as our coach.

      While a GM’s job is absolutely vital, the job of coaching is too filled with emotional baggage for us to deal with Roy leaving to go to Quebec.

  71. DorvalTony says:

    On this auspicious day let’s hear it for “Architect” Bob Gainey, “Gandhi” Gauthier, Jacques “bench Erik Cole” Martin and most of all for Geoff “I’ll have a plan in two or three years” Molson. Press the orbicular to the gluteous girls. What a bunch if idiots. Thanks for cheating Canadiens fans.

    1993 was a long time ago.

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