Sunday morning coming down for Habs fans

Gorges
It’s a gray and rainy Sunday morning in Montreal.
The weather matches the mood of Canadiens fans.
In Philadelphia Saturday night, the team was mathematically eliminated from playoff contention.
And while they were at it, the Canadiens rang up loss number 47 – a team record.

Too early to drink. But hit it, Kris.

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Another record was set Saturday night: Josh Gorges blocked six shots – not counting the ones he absorbed from hulking Pavel Kabina.

With six games to play, Gorges leads he NHL with 230 blocked shots. Runner-up Ladislav Smid has 181.

More importantly, Gorges has expunged the name “Mike Komisarek” from the Canadiens record book. Komo blocked 227 shots in 2007-’08.

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I’m on record as being skeptical about Patrick Roy as the next coach of the Canadiens.

But how about general manager?

HIO has eyes and ears everywhere. A scout attending the Sea Dogs playoff game in Saint John, N.B., on Saturday night told our correspondent the word on the street is St. Patrick as GM and Bob Hartley as coach. The rumour was first floated on Twitter last week.

It’s the Colorado Connection. Roy and Hartley are protegés of Pierre Lacroix, who was Roy’s agent before becoming Colorado’s general manager.

Hartley coached Roy for four seasons and 31 games of a fifth with the Avalanche.

They won a Stanely Cup together in 2000-’01 … a season during which the Canadiens lost 46 games, the record broken with L number 47 in Philly.

Hartley is coaching in Switzerland this season, no doubt honing the Swiss-German he’ll use to coach Yannick Weber and Raphael Diaz.

Some say the talk of Roy coming to Montreal is a load of Kaberle.

Roy grew up in the suburbs of Quebec City and moved back to the provincial capital when his career ended. If QC gets an NHL franchise, Roy is a natural to run it.

But that remains a big If.

All we know for certain is the Canadiens’ season ends at about 10 p.m. on April 7.

And while 16 teams begin chasing the Stanley Cup, Montreal fans look ahead to the draft, Carey Price’s contract, free agency and training camp.

482 Comments

  1. wall2bay says:

    They say that the definition for insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results……..This is what the Habs organization does by simply hiring the best available French-speaking coach/GM.

    Roy is unproven as an NHL coach let alone a GM. Hartley??? What has he done??? If he was such a great coach then why is he not in been in the NHL and in Europe since he got let go?

    This is a joke……..would’ve been nice to hire a guy like Hitchcock but sadly he’s not qualified to coach the Habs cuz Quebec politics trumps building a winner!

  2. jeu_de_puissance says:

    I take issue with all those slagging Bob Gainey (I have no problem with anyone ripping the Goat). We can hindsight the Gainey trade all we want, however, 2 years ago a trip to the Conference finals and last year coming an overtime goal away from taking out a solid Bruins team isn’t anything to be ashamed about. Gainey was the brainchild of this team. This year, the Goat blew that all up. The Markov injury fiasco didn’t help.

    Gainey lives and breaths bleu, blanc et rouge and made the team a contender, although it was short lived. His management definitely occured at a challenging time considering the loss of his daughter in the tragic boat accident.

    Now that the team has been blown up, we are left with some key pieces as part of this rebuild. Some major components of success are there, with a new focus on toughness, that will serve the team going forward. This coupled with a closer parity between teams (look at them Florida Panthers), means the Habs don’t necessarily have to be on a 3 year plan to rebuild. With some smart strategizing (hope that’s a word) and some passion in the front office this team will be a contender sooner rather than later.

    Can\’t F#*k with history!!!

    • alwayssunny says:

      I agree with you, I don’t like it either. How soon we forget about our great run 2 years ago. It isn’t like we can overwhelmingly attribute those two series wins to any single factor. It was a great team. But give Mr. Gauthier a little more credit than that – he was all along and still is Bob’s right hand man. But I agree there can only be one true father, and this team is, like you say, the child of Bob’s brain.
      But blown it up? which of Bob’s brainchildren has he moved away? Hamrlik? He rides the pine a lot these days. Spacek? OK but we got Kaberle. Cammaleri was floating around all year so we got a new face to do that. Kostitsyn was definitely Bob’s baby but only time will tell how we did on that one. Like Gill we were in danger of losing them so I think they were prudent moves. Maybe we can get them back in the offseason. I’m not sure about the commitment to toughness though. I’ll believe that when I see it. Adding one enforcer to the softest team in the history of the NHL has definitely instantly gave the team a new found dose of self respect. But he isn’t under contract, neither is Moen. I think we will see Leblanc and one of the young turks, Engqvist or Palushaj, step into those vacancies.

    • habsfan1144 says:

      NOBODY can deny what Gainey has done as a player.
      His first few years as GM were as a while quite successful, although the bar is not set too high when you need inherit guys like Juha Lind!

      But his abysmal failure as a GM and a consultant are obvious as the number 23 hanging from the rafters. But to name a few:

      1. lost several free agents for NOTHING is terrible for a GM who’s responsible for asset management especially in a cap era.
      2. he went from the Koivu era when we were a small team and made us smaller!!
      3. he took a contract no team who touch and not only took it on, but trade our BEST prospect at the time and a young man who loved being a Hab. Tell me how good Mc Donough and Higgins would look on this team.
      4. Ribero for Nimminna…. Enough said!
      5. Adding Kaberle after Rutherford said it may be the worst move he had EVER made … Don’t kid yourself he blessed that move!
      6. The panic move with Cammy… They didn’t even notify all teams on his availability.

      If Gainey stays nothing changes … He needs to move on and we need to turn the page.

      End of story!

  3. Cal says:

    This is a pretty good read for all those who want to see change in the front office of the Habs:

    http://thereuschblog.com/?p=15330

  4. Captain aHab says:

    Come on TB…keep up that W streak.

    On another note, anyone else really tired of these silly headlines on NHL.com? Having a play on words is funny from time to time but when every headline is one, it tends to become tiresome.

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  5. If Patrick Roy helps us to sign Radulov I have no problem having him as a GM. Other than that, I would pass on him. Cause I already have a GM. A Saturn car.

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    This is Choibolsan.

  6. frankcasting says:

    In recent weeks, I have wanted to VURP every time I see the “depth” our edition of Les Habitants roll over the boards in any given game. Blunders, Rusty Staubitz, Petteri Dish, Pollution, Campfire, Kabarle, D’arche de Perdant, The Swiss Misses, Bloke Geff, GOmez, Le Blank, Boodye, I think: what the heck happened to the depth players we once had? ‘Cause you know, the top 6-8 players on the team are as good as anyone’s: PK, Markov, Max, Cole, DD, Gorges, Price, Eller (yeah, I like Lars).

    So I did some rather quick and loose diggin’ on NHL.com and slapped this list together of ex Habs that played in 2012, players that for the most part, walked away, or were traded away in nothing deals. The surprise is not that there are some 30 players on the list that could easily have played full time for this year’s God-awful team, it’s this: there are less than 5 NHL players who once played for the Habs that I wouldn’t want back, people like Maxwell or Moore or Komo.

    Take a quick boo. it’s not a freaking thesis, but I found it shocking.
    You can ask this question: could we have used this player this year?
    Teams *much* better than our pathetic Habs use these guys successfully.
    And what does this say about our stealth GMs Ghost Gainey?
    And is there any other NHL team with this much active alumni, especially productive alumni?

    Centres

    Mike Ribeiro 58 pts in 68 games +6
    Mikhail Grabovski 49 pts in 70 games +1
    Max Lapierre 13 pts in 75 games – 11 120 PIM
    Saku Koivu 34 pts in 68 games, +10
    Jeff Halpren 16 pts in 69 games -1
    Tom Pyatt 17 pts in 66 games – 14
    Dominic Moore 22 pts in 70 games -18
    Maxwell 5pts in 13 games

    Wingers

    Michael Ryder 58 pts in 75 games +21 (!!)
    Alex Tanguay 48 pts in 60 games +9
    Danius Zubrus 40 pts in 76 games +4
    Chris Higgins 40 pts in 64 games +7
    Benoit Pouliot 29 pts in 67 games +18 (!!)
    Sergei K. 43 pts in 70 games +10
    Matt D’Agostini 18 pts in 52 games +15
    Kyle Chipchura 16 pts in 51 games + 2
    Aaron Asham 14 pts in 57 games -4
    Latendresse 9 points in 16 games +6

    Defense

    Ryan McDonagh 27 pts in 75 games +25 (I know, unfair, he never actually played for Habs)
    Spacek 12 pts in 33 games, +4
    Streit 43 pts in 75 games -21
    O’Byrne 7 pts, 69 games -1
    Wiz 24 pts 45 games – 17
    Hammer 10 pts in 62 games +9
    Robidas 21 pts in 69 games + 2
    Souray 20 pts in 58 games +18 (!!)
    Hainsey 9 pts in 51 games + 9
    Bouliion 9 pts in 61 games, -2
    Komo 5 pts in 41 games – 13

    Goalies:

    Halak 25/17 .927
    Theodore 22/23 with .921

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  7. nickster13 says:

    I for one would like to see Cunneyworth back next year. He hasnt been given the proper horses to win, and he inherited a dysfunctional, dejected team. Sure he didnt make it better immediately (but who expected that, honestly), but how can you judge a coach off half a season’s work? I’d like to see him given at least a full calendar year to prove himself, especially with a hopefully better team on paper next year. This is the fair thing to do. Just my 2 cents.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …it’s a ‘tough one’ Nick …I look at Cunny behind Our bench, and I see one of those square-jawed Gunnery Sargents I saw as salt of the Earth leaders when I was a US Marine
      …it is unfair not to give Him a full year out of training camp …I think He is a solid Coach that would get Us in the Playoffs next season
      …but, barring a miracle, Randy will not be back, unless as an assistant
      …despite His non-winning record so far,I am certain there are some GMs out there that are impressed by Randy Cunneyworth
      …I am sure We will be seeing Him behind some other team’s bench in the near future

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      HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • SlovakHab says:

      He is absolutely the worst coach in Habs history, has no clue about line matching, usage of players, adjusting strategies etc etc.
      Look at his record versus Martin’s record.

      It kinda sucks that everyone wanted Martin gone, and people are now happier with RC who is 10 times less the coach.

      RC absolutely sucks, and he even hurts us now by not playing and evaluating youngsters (Geoffrion etc.), which would be heaps more helpful that what he does now.

      Hiring him was a massive mistake and I wish he were gone NOW.

      • SlovakHab says:

        And check these ones out: http://www.quickmeme.com/Dumbass-Randy-Cunneyworth/?upcoming

        “Benches Eller for the most of the game – uses him in a shootout”
        “Pulls goalie – plays Campoli instead of Subban”
        “Team played terrible last night – better cancel practice”

        etc etc

        Coach that plays Staubitz – Plekanec – White for the whole game simply doesn’t deserve to be in NHL.

        • matt jordan says:

          What’s Cunneyworth to do there, Stabitz and White are the Canadiens best wingers playing right now other than of course the DD line.

          The Canadiens options for wingers are: Blunden, Bourque, Leblanc, Nokelainen, Palushaj, Geoffrion.

          No matter the mix there, it’s going to be a brutal line for Plekanec, although I would prefer Geoffrion and Leblanc.

          That’s the current state of the Canadiens, play two rookies who should be in the AHL with the second line centre, or two tough guys who have not combined for a goal in 75 games.

          • SlovakHab says:

            Of course you would prefer Geoffrion and Leblanc. Everyone with brain would play Borque, Geoffrion, Leblanc or Eller with Pleky, over Staubitz and White. Or Kostitsyn / Cammalleri. They sort of produced under Martin, do you remember? Then became a lot more useless under RC. He totally ruined the season and people want him back. OMG

      • Lizardking89 says:

        Not even f’ing close the worst coach bar none was that turd of a human being Mario F Tremblay. He not only ran the best goalie in the league out of town but he also drove Pierre Turgeon out too and we haven’t had a center of his caliber since. Cunneyworth isn’t the best coach we’ve had but he’s a far far cry from the worst.

  8. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @ Phil C
    …if We are talking about almost any other individual besides Patrick Roy I think Your arguments are correct and rational
    …but, unavoidably, I think We must include many other irregular factors in the thought process as well
    …none of the examples given really equate with Patrick Roy, because of His elite career (and, I know Wayne Gretzsky was a bust as an NHL coach) …but Patrick not only coached (very successfully) in junior, He also OWNED and MANAGED His franchise, bringing a slew of selling-points these other coaches You exampled have not
    …You may also argue Dale Hunter has not set the NHL on fire …well, to be fair Dale’s ‘window’ to judge his NHL coaching is still very small, plus We can not say he has ‘failed’
    …other irregular factors, is the history and legacy of the Montreal Canadiens’ franchise, it’s Fanbase, and the most times irrational significance it has to a singular ‘culture’, language and identity
    …the Montreal Canadiens’ raison d’etre has been slowly becoming a distant romantic vision …eviscerated season after season, by most of It’s Fans’ standards, to a ‘vile mediocrity’
    …It’s ‘legacy’ a distant story for It’s younger/future Fans …It’s ‘ relevancy ‘ on life-support for many
    …I think to many Fans, Patrick Roy is a yearning for, excuse the term, ‘special-ness’
    …with much emotions of fatigue and frustration of mediocre People whom have brought Us just that, mediocrity
    …with Patrick, We know that either way, the process will not be mundane and boring :)
    …My point is, the logic of evaluating Patrick Roy as Our next Coach (or GM ?) wiil not be completely ‘rational’ :)

    _________________________________________________________
    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  9. CHicoHab says:

    And please! No more former Habs as coaches or GM’s.

  10. Cal says:

    Habs replaced JM with Cunneyworth. So far, he is 16W 22L OTL6. Bad move.
    Many say the hockey they saw being played was “better” than what they saw under JM. JM went with what he had, trying to keep games close with defensive hockey that was supposedly unsuited for the team the Habs have. The Habs are among the worst in the league at scoring and too many rookies on D have led to a sham of a season. It’s going to be a looooooong summer with the only interesting thing being Draft Day and, perhaps, UFA Day on July 1st.
    Many here are blaming Molson for letting his hockey people make the hockey decisions. I don’t agree that PG needed to fire either Pearn or JM. I think PG needed to get a boring stay at home and take care of business Dman and the Habs would have been better. As it is, let’s hope the draft pick is good enough to be an impact player and not a dud.

  11. CHicoHab says:

    I believe that the very next day when this dreadful season ends the announcement of both RC and PG being relieved of their duties will come. When you finish near bottom of the league after 2 fairly good postseasons you have to start fresh at the top. Will be very disappointed if PG is still around. And RC never stood a chance so kudos to him under the circumstances he was dealt.

  12. Les Canayens says:

    Here’s a recent blog about Roy as head coach….for the Avalanche from a Colorado perspective:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=42947

    One interesting bit:

    “Prior to hiring current coach Joe Sacco, Pierre Lacroix asked Roy to take the helm. After two weeks of mulling it over, Roy refused. His official reason was because of family and his appreciation for the life he’d created in Quebec.

    Unofficial reports came out that he wanted more than the organization was willing to give. He currently co-owns, manages and coaches the QMJHL’s Quebec Remparts, giving him freedom he couldn’t get in Colorado. Various sources indicated without that kind of autonomy, Roy simply wasn’t interested.

    For him to get the job this summer, one party would have to give. If Roy accepted the coach-only position, his frustration over not having full control would spill out somewhere, with the players being the most likely recipients. If Lacroix fired current General Manager Greg Sherman, giving full power to Roy, arrogance might limit how much guidance he’d accept from guys like head scout Rick Pracey. Either way, it would be bad for the Avalanche.”

  13. Stev.R says:

    Patric Hornqvist. Discuss.

  14. Les Canayens says:

    “word on the street is St. Patrick as GM and Bob Hartley as coach.”

    Would Roy the GM go in and trash the video room of his coach Hartley just like old times when they were in Colorado?

  15. HabFanSince72 says:

    Mr Biter argues that govt spending on pro sports is worthwhile because it brings in tax dollars.

    That one’s been debunked many times. Just not true.

    So yes I don’t want to see tax dollars going to sports arenas at a time of significant budget cuts for everything else.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Cal says:

      Mr. Biter is wrong. Arizona is a perfect example of that lie in action.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        I come back for a last look and see my name being used in vain. Gentlemen one of the companies I own deals entirely with the tourist trade and basicly pro Sports teams and tourism can be lumped together. Both bring millions of $$$$ to their respective areas (States, Provinces Cities) but most times it is unsean by the locals sadly mostly Canadians. Firstly Pro Sport teams. Why do you think Cities in the States pay Hundreds of Millions for Stadiums or arenas to keep their teams in that city. They know the residual effects that the teams bring into a city. As stated before Taxes on players salaries, team & stadium staff (employment and taxes), parking, Fans coming into the city to watch a game (ie Hotel room, food, gas, Liquor are all income for businessmen in the city (and extra tax benifits for the city in hotel ,meal taxes) which never would happen without the said teams. And this is say for a hockey arena which if run effectivly will also bring in extra millions in tax and residue monies from other events (ie. concerts circus, monster truck ((shudder to mention this one)) and again the employment, taxes tourists (anyone fromnout of your city is technacally a tourist and again spending money the city would never see.
        Downtown devolpment. Downtown Minneapolis (ie Hennipan ave. ) was a hell hole of strip bars, hookers in the early 70’s and 80’s (knew the area well), but when they built the Target Center the whole area changed. Gone were all the hookers most of the cheap strip clubs (Augie’s still remains, ugly dancers bad draft) and the whole city center has been re-built with small high end bars and resturants which are filled during Target Center events as well as when there are no events going on at the time.
        Now Tourism,
        The Feds and Prov’s make Millions off tourism in same form as with pro sport teams. Taxes, lisences ,employment etc. and again spend very little to promote tourism or spend money helping companies involved with tourism survive. Instead they heap rules and regulations on tourist operators (I could go on here all night) and then tax the dickens out of the tourists and then wonder why is tourism droping. Wait another study is needed.
        If Arizona refers to the Coyotes yes you can put up the finest facility in the world , but of there is no fan base it will fail. BTW how many other events besides Hockey (as mentioned above) use their arena?
        Lastly if there were no Habs in Montreal or Bell Center (just bring it up as it would be close to home). All the lost tax revenue on the “millionaire players” gone. All jobs with Habs and Bell center gone. All income for bars , hotels , resturants (and of course tax $$$$) for all events gone. That’s a lot of coin which comes into the city now , but would be gone.
        Bye, to long of a post.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

    • boing007 says:

      There have been ‘significant budget cuts for everything else’ for the past twenty-five years.

      Richard R

  16. HabFanSince72 says:

    Roy has both positives and negatives for the GM job.

    Among the positives, he will have a bit of extra leeway from fans and media given his number hangs on the rafters; he appears to have a great enthusiasm and love of the game; I think he is intelligent; he has been successful in upper management in junior hockey; I believe he would know to surround himself with talent.

    One negative is his temper. As GM you need to take the long view and not panic. The thing is, you would have thought Gainey might be a patient thoughtful GM yet since 2008 its been one panicky move after another: not selling anyone at the deadline in ’08 but then dumping all 13 UFAs; firing Julien; firing Carbo days after endorsing him publicly; the Gomez trade; quitting abruptly in 2009; firing Martin (which Gainey had something to do with). It’s actually been an out of control roller coster ride under BG.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  17. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Why would Roy want to become head coach of the Canadiens? He is from Quebec City, he owns and operates a junior team in Quebec City, and there are reports suggesting an NHL franchise is returning to Quebec City. Roy becoming President/GM or GM/Coach of Quebec City is much more probable then him coaching in Montreal.

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Just as it doesn’t matter if we want the team to tank or to win, it doesn’t matter who we want to be the coach or GM.

    At this point, we can only hope that Geoff Molson has found some good hockey people to talk to and get some good suggestions as to what his next move should be.

    • Bill says:

      Yes, and I am sure he’s doing that. I don’t see Molson making a really bad move here. He’s a smart guy.

      If he hires Roy I’ll assume it’s an informed decision and not a PR move. Meaning, if Roy is hired I’m not gonna do a slow-motion “nooooooooo” or anything.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Who would want to come in as GM with Roy as coach? Molson needs to step aside as president and hire somebody, look at the mess he is in, if there was a competent and well respected president in place he would not be making all this difficult personnel decisions alone.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …Bill, belated acknowledgement to Your kind words …had to take My Kids to a movie following the game
        …I have made My views I feel Roy would be the coalescing ingredient to take the Canadiens to where a typical Habs’ Fan expects them to be
        …notwithstanding that, until We hear what decisions have been made, it will be pretty crazy in Habs’ World
        …speculation in all directions, like a runaway train
        …a God-send for HIO’s bean-counters :)
        …and Viagra for the howlers among Us :)

        …Your argument that if Roy was equivocating until He determined whether an option imminently existed of the Coyotes landing in Quebec City …I agree with You …I would change My position IF I felt Roy was of 2 minds and allegiances

        …if I had any doubt Roy’s allegiance was not completely the Montreal Canadiens, He can go to Hell (Oklahoma :) )

        …it’s a definite risk whether hiring Roy will give Us a winning identity again, or whether it will be more frustration …but I would roll the dice if Roy was 100 % commited

        _________________________________________________________
        HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

        Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
        http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  19. Phil C says:

    Examples of NHL coaching experience before their first NHL head coach job:

    Peter Laviolette- 1 year ECHL head coach, 2 years AHL head coach, 1 year NHL asst coach

    Randy Carlyle – 1 year AHL asst coach, 6 years AHL coach, 2 years NHL asst coach

    Mike Babcock- 8 years WHL head coach, 2 years AHL head coach

    Dan Bylsma – 3 years AHL asst coach, 1 year NHL asst coach, 1 year AHL head coach

    Joel Quenneville – 2 years AHL asst coach, 1 year AHL head coach, 3 years NHL asst coach

    Claude Julien – 1 year QMJHL head coach, 3 years AHL head coach

    These last six Stanley Cup winning coaches ALL learned their craft and proved their worth in the AHL before becoming a coach in the NHL. I don’t think its a coincidence, it just makes sense that you need experience as a pro coach to succeed at the highest level, to be as good or better than all the other coaches. You should not even get an interview for an NHL head coaching job if you have not been an AHL coach or NHL asst coach before.

    And Roy should know this. So if he is willing to accept a head coaching job without AHL experience, it really says that his overblown ego that was on full display when he walked out on the Habs is very much intact. He needs to show at least a modicum of humility and follow the normal path to the NHL before even being considered for the job.

    I would seriously question the competence of Habs management if they chose Roy for Head Coach. At best, it would be an enormous risk that shows a lack of the patience required to build a championship organization. The most the Habs should do is offer him Hamilton. If he doesn’t take it, then they should know he would not be a good fit. If he does take it and has success, he can come to the NHL for 13-14, which would still be a serious fast-track.

    • Bill says:

      Good factual post.

      You would be looking a long time before you found a coach who came out of junior into the NHL and won a Cup.

      It’s obviously not impossible, but I think there is a learning curve when it comes to dealing with adult professionals as opposed to amateur teens.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …if We are talking about almost any other individual besides Patrick Roy I think Your arguments are correct and rational
      …but, unavoidably, I think We must include many other irregular factors in the thought process as well
      …none of the examples given really equate with Patrick Roy, because of His elite career (and, I know Wayne Gretzsky was a bust as an NHL coach) …but Patrick not only coached (very successfully) in junior, He also OWNED and MANAGED His franchise, bringing a slew of selling-points these other coaches You exampled have not
      …You may also argue Dale Hunter has not set the NHL on fire …well, to be fair Dale’s ‘window’ to judge his NHL coaching is still very small, plus We can not say he has ‘failed’
      …other irregular factors, is the history and legacy of the Montreal Canadiens’ franchise, it’s Fanbase, and the most times irrational significance it has to a singular ‘culture’, language and identity
      …the Montreal Canadiens’ raison d’etre has been slowly becoming a distant romantic vision …eviscerated season after season, by most of It’s Fans’ standards, to a ‘vile mediocrity’
      …It’s ‘legacy’ a distant story for It’s younger/future Fans …It’s ‘ relevancy ‘ on life-support for many
      …I think to many Fans, Patrick Roy is a yearning for, excuse the term, ‘special-ness’
      …with much emotions of fatigue and frustration of mediocre People whom have brought Us just that, mediocrity
      …with Patrick, We know that either way, the process will not be mundane and boring
      …My point is, the logic of evaluating Patrick Roy as Our next Coach (or GM ?) wiil not be completely ‘rational’ :)
      _________________________________________________________
      HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  20. Mr_MacDougall says:

    All this Roy talk..

    Who would be hiring him? PG? Molson?

    If it is Molson, it must be assumed that PG is getting fired, if that is the case, wouldn’t the team be looking for a GM?

    Would PG be talking to Roy?

    A little pre-mature to be talking about coaches, there could be 5 coaches fired following this season, patients is what is needed from the Habs… for once.

    • Bill says:

      Molson is president (as well as owner obviously), so he would be hiring the next GM. That’s assuming there will be a new GM. For all we know, Molson has told PG he’ll be back another year, which would mean PG is looking for a coach.

      Coaches will be hired, but the only one the Habs could hire would be Vigneault, and his firing is a long-shot at best.

      So we’ll have to wait and see, and it will be interesting!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • boing007 says:

      All this Roy talk was fabricated by the media. It’s mostly blah blah blah to sell newspapers and create new talking points.

      Richard R

  21. pmaraw says:

    so, being tied with edmonton, are we 2nd or 3rd overall?

  22. ProHabs says:

    Roy has an ego. So what. Anyone that has been as successful as he has, will have an ego. His ego is also what has made him so successful in everything that he does because he doesn’t put up with second best. And that is the attitude that the Habs have been lacking for years. He would bring some swagger to this team and would put together the type of team that won’t walk into Boston with thier tails between their legs.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I could not agree much more. Everyone who is against Roy as coach wants a coach just like him but have some sort of personal vendetta against him cause he’s too “hot-headed” or cause he “quit on the team”.
      It’s laughable.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Bill says:

        How about him having no pro coaching experience? Name a successful coach who came straight out of junior.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • pmaraw says:

          name a coach who came out of junior that is a hall of famer in the nhl. the word pedigree comes to mind when i think of roy as coach.

          • Bill says:

            EDIT: I can’t think of a single successful coach who came out of junior who was also a hall of fame player. How does that help YOUR argument?

            By your logic Wayne Gretzky should have been the greatest coach of all time. How did that “pedigree” work out?

            Pedigrees are for buying a dog.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • pmaraw says:

            i dont remember gretzky coaching in the minors…. so……

          • Bill says:

            ^^ I mention Gretzky obviously because you were citing Roy’s playing experience and “pedigree” as the reasons he would be a successful coach. Sorry if that was unclear.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • boing007 says:

            Pedigree as a player, not as a NHL level coach.

            Richard R

        • ProHabs says:

          Bill, the situation is different in Montreal. I don’t agree with it but the coach apparently needs to be bilingual. If that is the case, the pickings are pretty slim. Roy would be as good or better choice than any other French speaking coach that is available. Now if Vignault becomes available again, then he would be someone to consider.

          • Bill says:

            True enough. Best argument to hire him that I’ve heard. I’d rather he learned how to coach pros elsewhere first though.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Habsrule1 says:

          There are also tons of coaches with experience who have failed. The man has been a winner at everything he has done. Why are you so afraid for him to get an interview or be considered? I’m convinced that you simply don’t like the guy and can’t get over how you feel he quit on the team.
          Hot-headedness is not a reason to discount him. Sure, it would be nice for him to have pro coaching experience, but sometime you have to bite the bullet. There is no way Roy would allow the team to be as bad as we’ve seen lately. Who better to teach even a goalie as great as Price?
          With the right assistants, he might be exactly what we need. If not, he likely will not do much worse than the last few coaches/
          What are you so afraid of?

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • ProHabs says:

            Roy as coach with Robinson and Carbo as assistance. That is the way to go.

          • Bill says:

            Look, I’m not trying to be obscure. You don’t need to dig too deep into my objections: are you a therapist or what? :)

            I don’t know him, so “like” or “dislike” are not involved here.

            He has no pro coaching experience. I bring up him quitting on the Habs because it shows he puts himself before his team. You can’t do that when you’re the coach. His hot-headedness is a problem because as coach of professionals you have to have them on board. And fear-tactics won’t work on pros.

            He wouldn’t “allow” the Habs to be bad? If he has a bad team, or an injured team, they’ll still be bad.

            To answer your question, I am afraid of deep water, zombies, and $200/barrel oil. I am not “afraid” of Patrick Roy as coach, I just think he’d be a bad choice.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Allow the team to be as bad as we’ve seen lately? He is not a healer.. Gionta, Markov, Gomez, Moen, White, and Darche still would have missed tons of time.

            Aren’t you more interested in the direction the team is headed with their GM position?

          • Habsrule1 says:

            The thing is he did not quit on the team. He was embarrassed by Tremblay and then made a mistake by saying it was his last game for the Habs. It’s a mistake he regretted and paid for by getting shipped out off of a team he loved. Ask his teammates who he won the Cup for in 86 & 93 if they feel he ever quit on the team.
            Being a winner, he bit the bullet and went on to make a winner out of Colorado as well (granted, with much more help).
            Hot-headedness is just another word for passion. Some great coaches have been hot-headed. Jacques Demers comes to mind. Pat Burns, Mike Keenan, John Tortorella. I could go on. I know whether they are all “great” can be debated, but they had some pretty good coaching gigs over the years.
            We agree to disagree, but the funniest part is you can’t even accept that he should be considered. You simply write him off.
            I hope the Owner or GM of the Habs, whoever makes the call, is a bit more open-minded.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Bill says:

            We can agree to disagree on whether or not he should be the coach. That’s pretty much the point of this forum, right?

            I don’t think there is much room to disagree on whether or not he quit. It’s on video. Saying he didn’t quit is like saying Bill Clinton didn’t have sexual relations with “that woman”. It depends on what your definition of “is” is. By any rational definition, he quit. I quit a job once, and it looked a lot like that!

            I am not saying he shouldn’t be considered. As another wise poster pointed out, there aren’t a lot of great francophone candidates right now, so he probably should be considered and interviewed. I am saying he shouldn’t be hired, though.

            I’d rather see someone who has coached professionally before. The Habs have a young core and it will be getting younger over the next three years. I’d like to see an experienced hand on the rudder. That’s all. The whole “quitting” thing is really secondary to me.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Wow Bill…just wow. Yes, he said he’s played his last game for the Habs in the heat of the moment. You want to believe that one simple sentence means he quit on the team. Obvioulsy that is the easy way to think about it. If you care to put more thought into it, it really didn’t mean that at all. It meant he said something he didn’t mean. If I tell my wife I’m leaving after a fight, but regret it later, but she sends me packing anyway, I didn’t quit on the family. I just said something stupid when I was upset. The divorce rate would be even worse if everything said in the heat of an argument was taken at face value.
            That’s the best analogy I could come up with. I hope you get it now.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • HabinBurlington says:

          There is a guy who coaches in Detroit now named Mike Babcock. He went straight from junior to Anaheim for 2 years with a winning record then became head coach for Detroit. I am still looking for a current coach that may be more succesful give me some time. ;-)

          Edit: Scratch that, my attempt at a smart ass answer failed, he coached AHL for two years that didn’t show up in my first search, haha

          FYI, Bill I am not a proponent of Roy, but at this point, I dont even know what the right answer is, I guess that is why I dont work as a GM or as anything related to hockey aside from being a fan.

          • pmaraw says:

            oh snap! didnt he win olympic gold as well as a cup?

          • Bill says:

            Wrong on Babcock. Coached in the AHL.

            EDIT: just saw your correction acknowledging that.

            EDIT EDIT EDIT I deleted this ’cause it was douchey of me. Apologies.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

      • boing007 says:

        Was Mario Tremblay ready to be a NHL coach? No.

        Richard R

  23. FanCritic says:

    Crosby almost as good as our bottom six. 15 games = 23 pts
    our bottom six = 27 pts on their season so far.

  24. Habsrule1 says:

    I thought I heard it all, but the truth comes out. So, Roy should not be coach or GM of the Habs cause he made a mistake, what….17 years ago? GET OVER IT! He did not quit on the team. He got upset and let his anger get the better of him. He has stated that it was a mistake and he thought it would blow over and they would keep him.
    He loved the Habs and did everything for them to win and helped them do it twice….actually he more than just helped.
    The Habs welcomed him back into the family when they retired his number (rightfully so!) and now he is available to possibly make this team better once again, and we’re going to say no?
    I doubt it.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  25. The Gonk says:

    Just my feeling, nothing more, but Roy will be the next GM. There’s lots of smoke and Roy’s non-denial denial makes for a fire. Whether he’s the best candidate is certainly up for debate. Personally I welcome Roy the GM.

  26. Les Canayens says:

    OT: I’m sure some of you may have seen this. Here is “Coach Alain Vigneault and Kevin Bieksa laugh at Stars player Vern Fiddler’s impression of Bieksa’s ‘angry face’.”

    http://youtu.be/hu0YPftZoug

    Vigneault was roflmao.

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    Radulov seems to have Nashville scoring goals, 3-0 over Chicago now.

    Wonder if there is any truth to the rumour he head right back to KHL after playoffs. Obiviously a rumour designed to help his contract negotiaion. But if he indeed does go back to KHL, Poile may only have one trading partner let in the NHL…….., oh yah our PG.

    • Bill says:

      All I’ve read is that a) the president of the KHL says he expects Radulov back, and b) Radulov says he doesn’t have a contract there.

      He will be an RFA after this year and clearly he will go wherever he will be paid the best/have the best quality of life.

      The KHL could probably pay him more. He’s the best player in their league, and there is no salary cap that I’m aware of. On the other hand, North American cities are much nicer places to live than most Russian ones, these days. On the other hand, you hear stories about shady characters “convincing” players to be in Russia “for the good of their families”, etc. So it’s complicated.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Les Canayens says:

        He may play in North America and still have to pay pizzo to those guys if they are already on his case.

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        He played for Ufa, so you may have a point but I think a lot of “KHL cities” are nicer and more interesting than many North Americans think. I personally would rather live in Moscow, St.Petersburg or Riga than in Nashville.

        • Bill says:

          Nashville is beautiful! Ok, not the touristy strip part, but the rest … the Tennessee hills, the Mississippi river … wonderful climate, nice people.

          I’ve heard nice things about Moscow and especially Riga, but when I say that North American cities are nicer places to live than a lot of Russian ones, I’m also considering things like pollution, poverty, organized crime, etc.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

      • boing007 says:

        Playing for Mother Russia.

        Richard R

  28. habstrinifan says:

    Hi Bill!

    Does the post pasted below by Habsolutely mollify your views re Roy any.

    I respect your ideas here and your sense of principle and fairness which is why I am wondering if there is this side to the Roy fiasco.

    Maybe there was blame to go around?

    Note I am sure the Price mention was a typo.

    ======================
    Habsolutely

    March 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    pretty funny how some of you are bitter that Roy asked to be traded. it happens all the time, players demand trades, yet for some of you Price is the devil because he didn’t want to take anymore of Tremblays crap. So every player in NHL, NBA, or NFL who asks to be traded is a bad person? Gimme a break.
    ===========================

    • Bill says:

      No, Habsolutely has moved on to trying to defend Roy’s actions by saying that lots of players demand trades, and we shouldn’t mind.

      But I do mind. Any player who demands a trade from the Canadiens should be given his trade, sent packing, and – most of all – never brought back. I’m not saying you can’t be a quitter: I’m just saying I wouldn’t want a quitter in any show I’m running.

      Habsolutely also completely fails to distinguish the two types of trade demands: the ones made quietly, between players and management, and the ones made publicly.

      When a player has a legitimate reason to want a trade (be closer to family, etc.), and goes to management and has a deal done quietly, it’s not so bad.

      Players who do it publicly – like, say, Heatley – are invariably selfish douchebags. Roy crippled the Habs with his public (most public ever) trade demand. Every GM in the league knew Houle had to do the deal and had him over a barrel.

      Roy (and every other athlete) had the right to do what he did. But you have to accept it for what it is. He quit, because of his ego. Meaning, he put himself before the team.

      Look, that’s not even the main reason not to hire him. The main reason not to hire him is that he has no pro experience and there’s never been a successful coach who made the transition right out of junior. The quitting thing is just the most glaring evidence of a character defect that makes him a poor choice for coach.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • habstrinifan says:

        Thanks Bill for your answer… I still am sitting here on the fence re Roy as GM. I already stated I would have problems with him as coach because of his emotionalism and the Quebec allegiance. I dont think he will pass up the chance to be a demigod in that city… and will leave the HABS high and dry.

        I do think you are not giving enough credit to his accomplishments in junior. You are probably letting his bombast distract you into ignoring his ability.

      • Croz38 says:

        Excellent post Bill. Couldn’t agree with you more.

      • pmaraw says:

        im pretty sure he gave the team an ultimatum, the coach or him. for some reason, they wanted to keep the coach.

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    So TSN reporting Quebec City is going to start construction of an arena. Is this a bluff or will they really start building? Is there a backroom deal like the one Wpg. had guaranteeing them the next team to be moved?

    Will this end the Roy rumours?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=391352

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    Minny’s making a real run for 2nd place. Can’t shake them.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      At least Edmonton won and the Islanders won, really a good day for our position.

      • krob1000 says:

        I couldn’t agree more….I think if the Habs ran the table they would still finish in 5th last. There is a scary time ahead though…the last 3 games are carolina, Tb and Toronto…now who would have thought those games would be this important chasing the other end of the standings?

    • Marc10 says:

      They are pretty awful and in a tougher Conference.

      And they’ll be bad next year too.

      But Columbus… That’s a masterclass of sucking right there! Quebec City better build that arena quickly…

  31. FanCritic says:

    every team deals with injuries and in most cases they have done well except for us. look at the replacements we brought up. what have they done.
    Leblanc 36 Games – 9 points
    Palushai 32 Games – 5 points
    Geoffrion 30 Games – 4 points
    Engqvist 12 Games – 0 points

    they’re just Bodies very little production, along with injuries that’s the main reason why we are where we are. and being a one line team didn’t help matters.

    • boing007 says:

      Geoffrion hasn’t played 30 games for the Canadiens.

      Richard R

    • SlovakHab says:

      Leblanc is fine, didn’t expect anything more from the rookie. He will be good.
      Geoffrion is constantly scratched and I hate stupid RC for not evaluating him.
      Palushaj & Engqvist are average, nothing special there. Bournival, Kristo and Gallagher will push them out within the next 12-18 months.

    • boing007 says:

      All of these players played a couple of games here and there. Hamilton Montreal, Montreal Hamilton. Impossible to get in a consistent groove.

      Richard R

  32. habstrinifan says:

    I am two-faced re the Roy rumour.

    I wanna say :
    If Roy becomes coach I am walking over to Boone’s desk and hand in my keyboard.. That would be the last day I post on this site.

    And I also wanna say:
    If Roy does not become coach and PG is still the GM I am walking over to Boone’s desk…. well you get the picture.

  33. Slightly Habnormal says:

    I have nothing against Roy but I don’t think he is right for the Habs head coaching position (GM is another matter) The reason being is that I don’t think he could handle a player like he himself was.. I like his fire, I like his passion but I think there would be too much headbutting.

  34. habstrinifan says:

    Re the Roy, Corey, Tremblay discussion and who was responsible and who gave up on what/whom.

    Talk about perfect storm eh? Three of the biggest EGOS in the same building on the same night and each one wanna be the last peacock standing.

    It had to end badly.

  35. 69HABS says:

    If only Carey Price had the nads to do what Patrick Roy done!

  36. dre1744 says:

    All Roy has done is win where ever he has been and at what ever he has done.

    He won in 1986 with little or no seasoning in the minors!!!!!

    I bet he can win as a coach here in that fashion aswell!!!!!!!

  37. H.Upmann says:

    I still think Roy was right to walk away. He’s his own man. After all they he did for the team, I don’t blame him for walking away. It’s alright if you disagree with me, but I think there was honour in it. The guy walks to the beat of his own drum, and I admire that.

  38. Albatros says:

    Minnesota is smokin’ UND 4 -1, but Kristo has been one of the few bright spots for the latter.

  39. H.Upmann says:

    I don’t blame Roy one bit for wanting to leave mtl after being left in net. In fact, i think it was honourable.. I would have doubts about him if he didnt do so otherwise What’s that kind of public humiliation supposed to do? Soften him up?

    • habsguy says:

      honourable, I bet the Rocket turned over in his grave when they retired his number, if they hire him, I bet he falls out of it !!!!!.
      the man walked out on his team and mates !!!!

    • Bill says:

      I cannot agree with an athlete putting himself above his team in such a flagrant way and I will be curious to see who else supports your view.

      While Tremblay SHOULD have removed Roy, he didn’t. He didn’t because Roy ordered him to, and Tremblay – who again is a douchebag – was making a point that the players don’t make the game decisions.

      Roy’s response was selfish and completely out of line. Maria Callas could take diva lessons from Roy. Somehow, in your view, quitting on your team is the honourable thing to do? It’s about as honourable as hitting your wife, I guess. Funny how I don’t remember any of his team-mates sticking up for him.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • habsguy says:

        when it all went down I was listening to the fan 590, they interveiwed his father, when they asked him if the reports of sir patrick thinking he was bigger than the team were true, his father said ” you dont think Micheal Jordan rides the team bus do you”

        • Bill says:

          I can’t believe some of the comments below: “he didn’t quit, he was forced out”, and “he didn’t quit on the team, he quit on the coach”. He actually went up to the president of the team during the game on TV and said “this is my last game”. He actually, literally quit on national TV and yet we have people posting here who say it didn’t happen.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • mrhabby says:

            I remember that as clear as day…..people make mistakes. The question for me is can he coach pro players. Iam still undecided.

          • boing007 says:

            Right. And Ruby didn’t shoot Lee Harvey Oswald on national TV.

            Richard R

    • martincurran55 says:

      I idolized Patrick Roy growing up, but after that night, I could never look at him in the same light. Trembley is a douchebag and he hung him out to dry that night. I have heard from reliable sources that Trembley and Roy had butted heads several times throughout that year and he did that to Roy on purpose. I wouldn’t call it “Honourable” walking out on your teammates and the city of Montreal. I wish cooler heads could have prevailed, but that was not in the cards I guess. I am not sure if I would give Roy another shot. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, as the saying goes. What happens when Quebec City gets there team in 3-4 years and he walks out on us again. Just saying.


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