Subbanov pays price; Gorges, Hamrlik out

AUDIO: P.K. Subban | Hal Gill | Jacques Martin

P. K. Subban paid the price for Team Canada’s el foldo at the world junior championships. He lost a bet to teammate Andrei Markov and he was forced to don a red Russia sweatshirt and hat after the morning skate in Brossard.

Markov is a long-term casualty following knee surgery and the Canadiens will alao be without defencemen Josh Gorges and Roman Hamrlik. This will be the fifth game Gorges has missed with a right knee injury. He is not skating and is beginning to look like a long-term case.

Hamrlik missed two practices this week with an undisclosed injury. He returned to the ice before his teammates and stayed after the morning skate but whatever ails him will keep him out tonight.

His absence means Alexandre Picard returns to the lineup after three games as a healthy scratch and there will be a change in the secobd power-play unit. David Desharnais will  be up front between Michael Cammalleri and Andrei Kostitsyn while Tomas Plekanec will replace Hamrlik on the left point with Subban on the right.

Lars Eller will be the healthy scratch 



  1. spos080808 says:

    I love how you keep avoiding my Q.

    What would Pleks numbers be if he played 10 mins a game in between Pyatt/Darche?

    What would Camms numbers be if he played 10 mins a game being centered by Halpern and with Moen on the other side?

    ANSWER ME!!!

  2. TripleX says:

    AHL dominance means NOTHING!  Eller could be lighting it up if he had decent wingers!  Wow, wonder why Montreal management does not see that?  Dumbasses!

    This is all FACT by the way.


    The only FACT is that Eller has not proven to be a scorer in ANY PRO league.  Well maybe when he was 12.




    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  3. spos080808 says:

    You really are absolutely clueless! Do you even watch the Habs play? How can Eller be blamed when he passes the puck to these GRINDERS and they do not score. Or how about how these GRINDERS can not make a great pass for the life of them. Are you even trying to say Darche’s 6-6-12 totals show he is playing than Eller? Really buddy, really? Points do not tell the whole story but because you have no clue you just look at numbers. Maybe you should go watch some football Mr. I Only Look At Numbers

  4. spos080808 says:

    I refuse to actually respond to you since all you do is hate on everything Habs, Toodles.


    Biggest Habs haters on Habs I/O: Timo, Clay4bc, ManApart, Tonyc

  5. TripleX says:

    So that is the problem with Gomez!  He has lousy wingers!  And all this time I thought HE was the problem.


    ps Pleks makes any winger he plays with better and apparently so does DD in the AHL…..that is what good players do




    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  6. spos080808 says:

    Actually yes. Him playing in the AHL against far lesser talent will in fact stunt his growth. MaxPac was scoring at will in the AHL and he is playing with Scotty/Gionta yet where all the big points he was putting up. Oh wait, maybe its because he is playing in the fricking NHL right now. At some point the AHL does not for certain players. Eller had his development process in the AHL already. Now it is all about getting used to playing against NHL players and practicing at the NHL level and learning Martins defensivce system. Nice try

  7. SLONCOLD says:

    and all those grinders have more points than him..real smart response

  8. bwoar says:

    You forgot the Next One, Corey Locke.

  9. spos080808 says:

    What do you think Pleks numbers would be if he was centering Darche/Pyatt.

    What is Cammalleri was playing alongside Halpern/Moen.

    But yah keep looking at his points while he is playing with grinders. Real smart. SMH.

  10. SLONCOLD says:

    so he’ll develop better by sitting and playing under 8  minutes a game?

  11. ManApart says:

    Remember Lats a few years ago, how about Max Pac last year. Even Price. Sure, rushing a young player before he is ready is real smart. Try again. 

  12. SLONCOLD says:

    well those hard working players like darche and halpern are producing at a better rate so they’re in the lineup.

    the kid has some raw talent but i mean there is this thinking he’s goign to be a poitn a game player. look at his junior number. he only put up big point totals in the denmark league and had lower production in sweedish elite league.

    he only has 70 games of ahl experience. i say let the kid play there gain some mass, dominate and when the habs are ready for him to step in bring him up. there is no rush for him to play under 8 minutes a game and to be sitting.

  13. bwoar says:

    100% agreed.  Playing 8 minutes a game with Darche and Pouliot/Pyatt isn’t displaying his talent.  He’s being “taught” to play better D – really the lesson is how to transition from O to D and vice versa at NHL speed.  The idea is that you learn it on the 4th line against lesser opponents so your mistakes aren’t so costly.  Nothing wrong with it, but it takes time.

    I guess they expected a more linear progression from Eller, and not seeing it, some of the the brass (successfully) lobbied for DD.  Esp. with Lapierre unhappy they had a PR reason to press their case along with DD’s AHL success.

    I hope DD scores tonight !!

  14. shiram says:

    That was a good one!

  15. SLONCOLD says:

    i looked at some stats and noticed halpern and darche have more points… what bums. the supreme talent in his play is being held back by the coach his line mates and add every other excuse…

    how about he’s a work in progress.

  16. Mattyleg says:

    You’re sitting inside at the computer watching your 79-yr-old grandfather chopping wood??

    Do you have your feet up in front of a roaring blaze too?

    “More wood, grandpa!! Gettin’ chilly here!!”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  17. Bugs says:

    Hey man, who cares about actual production? We need a player who “works hard”, dang it.

    Think about it.

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order:

  18. Mattyleg says:

    …we think the same…


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  19. SLONCOLD says:

    lol you think he’s going to be a point a game player? look, halpern, darche have more points than him and have been more consistent for the habs. eller might be a good player  and increase his production in the future but i don’t see this “skill or supreme talent” that makes him a point a game player.

    you’re setting your expectations really high on this kid.

  20. Mattyleg says:

    Why is sitting out being ‘in the dog house’?

    Someone ALWAYS has to sit. You can’t dress 23 players.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  21. Ian Cobb says:

    There is always two or three spare players sitting in the stands, every game. Does not mean someone is in the dog house!

    You can only dress 21 players for a game.

  22. oshawahabsfan says:

    I’ll buy one just to throw it on the ground!

  23. spos080808 says:

    Um, he is not playing top 6 because the team already has two top centers in Pleks/Gomez. Even when Gomez was struggling there was no way he was going to be dropped down the depth chart.

  24. Bugs says:


    Eller has done jack-all. Saw it with our own eyes. How many games now? Almost 40?

    Let us see what Dezzy can do up here with our own eyes now, maybe…FIVE games? Afore rankin’m BELOW Eller, whaddaya say?

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order:

  25. spos080808 says:

    And playing him with Pyatt/Darche does not make a lot of sense.

    People are on Eller, who in fact has been playign well, but not scoring points. Why? Because he is stuck with grinders who have no offensive upside.

    So where is the sense in bringing up DD just to put him in that spot. If he is not playing with top wingers then there will be NO production plain and simple.

    The only reason to play a Hodgson, Kadri, Hall, Seguin, Eller any 4th line minutes, is because the top 6 is already in place and you want the kid to get a taste of the NHL level because him playing junior or AHL is going to do nothing in terms of development. But when this happens the expectations need to be stunted due to playing with as Boudreau likes to call his non-PP players “shitbums”.

    DD is not a young up and commer. He is 24 and is who he is. He is not going to develop all of a sudden playing on the 4th line. He either should be given the chance to play with top 6 wingers or you just do not call him up right now. Is playing with Darche/Pyatt going to do ANYTHING for him? Do not think so. And like I said, not like he is 20/21 years old with tons of upside.

    So yes, it makes NO SENSE.

  26. 123456 says:

    i’m not bashing eller but most of his points came in early december, what has he done laterly. as i indicate below he does show flashes of a great player but not ever shift – he is often not noticable.

  27. habby27 says:

    He doesnt get PP time or top line time. he plays with Career AHLer Darche like cmon bud. he one of the more skilled guys on the Habs. Tough to show ur skills when you play behind Plecs and Gomez. (and play with Darche)

  28. deuce6 says:

    Speaking of donuts..Has anyone seen Tim Horton’s new Maple Leafs inspired donut?

    Kinda ironic seeing they also have no center..–tim-hortons-launches-leafs-themed-doughnuts

  29. SLONCOLD says:

    right…. ahl is a bad place to work on your skills…. he has played some ice time with the big boys, not very much but still some and well i guess there is a reason why he is not on the top 2 lines.

  30. SLONCOLD says:

    eller’s 2g 4a will be greatly missed…..

  31. Bugs says:

    You don’t see the love-in reason for Eller, Numbers? Seems apparent to me.

    Face-saving justification for the Halak trade.

    Would he have been the first call-up of all our prospects if he had been DRAFTED by us otherwise?

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order:

  32. SmartDog says:

    Someone’s gotta sit. And I think Martin only puts rookies on his Wheel of Donuts.


  33. Bugs says:

    Maybe score a goal? Produce SOMETHING resembling ANYTHING production-wise maybe?

    Cuz “working hard” isn’t good enough, I’m afraid. Or else my grandfather woulda made the team. He’s out choppin firewood as we speak; 79-yrs-old. No one works harder than him.

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order:

  34. habby27 says:

    Lars Eller a healthy scratch?? are you kidding me!?!?!?!?

    Wow does it suck to be a habs fan for the last couple years…. Why does someone ALWAYS have to be in the dog house. I hope its just to rest him cuz if not then JM is by far the worst Coach in the league. This is starting to get stupid already.

    I hate you JM.

  35. oshawahabsfan says:

    Ha, I just about spit out my coffee! Martin, four forwards on the powerplay! Something modern, get outta here. I’ll believe it when I see it

  36. Will Longlade says:

    Eller’s going to be a special player, but the Habs are hoping to get a good look at DD and possibly some added offence. I don’t like to see Eller sitting, but hopefully both these guys will make big contributions to the team in the future. IMO, posters who are bashing Eller, while entitled to their opinion, must have an agenda. Anyone who has closely watched the majority of Hab’s games this season should know that this kid is going to be special. Maybe not a Guy Lafleur, but a Matts Sundin type player with an edge. Hope JM doesn’t ruin him. 

  37. Brown_Hab_Fan says:

    I don’t know about you guys and gals but I’m not sure how much longer I can this Dominik Hasek kind of coaching style that JM is doing, personally I hope we go on another somewhat losing streak to get this idiot off bench so he doesn’t continue to scar or hurt our players full of talent

  38. patience is a virtue says:

    It makes good sense.  Trial by fire for a long-shot 24 year old who has earned his due.  He has to get some points with whatever ice time and linemates he is given.  If he does, he may get a longer look, or become part of a trade package.

    What do you suggest, playing him as a top 2 centre?  That doesn’t make a lot of sense, IMHO.

  39. Bugs says:

    Yikes. Maybe Pac-Man cuz they have affinity with one another, but otherwise, neither of those wingers can score, sooo, imo, it would be a “natural” disaster.

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order:

  40. spos080808 says:

    Dominating the AHL means NOTHING!!

    Hydar, Aucoin, Krog all have dominated the AHL in the last 10 years. Yet where have they been in the NHL? Exactly.

    And putting Eller in the AHL does NOTHING for his development. He is playing 10 minutes a game against the best talent in the world, learning the center position, especially the defensive side. His offense skills are shown every game but since he plays with grinders who cannot do anything for him, his play suffers a little bit.

    Going to the AHL will just stunt Ellers growth. He is not going to learn anything down their in terms of playing at the NHL level that he is not doing right now. That is just a fact.

  41. thorandresson says:

    You’re being way too reasonable for a Habs fan

  42. bwoar says:

    By your logic in the 1st paragraph we oughta be giving Eller MORE playing time and better linemates.  I can’t tell which you mean: sit Eller or more minutes?  Your SK example throws it off.

  43. spos080808 says:

    If Eller was playing with Camm/Gionta/AK his great passes would be in the net. He shields off his defenders better than any Habs forward, is slick with the puck, and has great vision. That is all apparent with him playing on the 4th line!! If he had better wingers his points would be coming in bunches. That is a fact. The kid uses his decent size very well.

    Ofcourse he is not ready for a top 6 role though, this is his first season in the NHL. But if you think he has not shown some top 6 material then you sir are not watching the games and are just looking at the scoreboard.

    If Pleks was playing with Darche/Pyatt how do you think his points and play would be? Riddle me that.

  44. patience is a virtue says:

    There’s a big difference: 

    DD is a long-shot 5’7″ 24 year old who has to prove he can be a serious point producer in the NHL to compensate for his lack of size.  He did not turn heads during his 6 games with the Habs last season.  He has earned another shot with his AHL leading performance.  He is going to get a limited opportunity to prove himself.  Part of that will be some PP time. 

    Eller is a well rounded 6’2″ 21 year old future top 2 centre in the making.  He is being brought along slowly, in an effort to develop his obviously latent talent while minimizing risk to the team from rookie errors.  If he had come through other means than a trade for Halak, he would probably be playing in the AHL right now because of his low point production so far this season.

    But Eller he is hear to stay.  His play continues to improve, so one can argue his is earning it, but not putting up the kind of numbers that would warrant PP time.

    DD is here for a trial by fire, PP time and all.



  45. bwoar says:

    Because we simply enjoy hockey, and plenty of it.

    Really, not much point in playing Chicken Little.  As for the juniors: the only thing wrong with last night, was TSN spending more time showing us the long faces of the failed Canadian squad than the ecstatic, overjoyed, ever-loving soviet kids after the win.  Even in my disappointment I couldn’t help  but smile at how happy those guys were.

  46. spos080808 says:

    Agree 100%.

    ALthough I just think DD is on the PP since they are placing Pleks on the point with Hammer being out for the game. But DD will NOT put up points in his 4th line duties so again this decision makes no sense on any level.

  47. Habnofear says:

    Max Pax-Desharnais-Eller ….does no one see this as a great line ,it’s a natural.

  48. TripleX says:

    I share your disbelief.  Has Eller dominated at any level like DD?  Eller has shown flashes of talent but nothing sustained, and his points don’t reflect a player ready for a top six role. 

    I belief his benching is wrong, not because he is appreciably better than DD, but for hampering his development.  He should be in the AHL.  If he is REALLY such a talent he will dominate like DD has.

    I wonder if there is some truth to the thinking that management is reluctant to send down the key player in the Halak deal.  That would be very short term thinking by management, but par for the course.



    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  49. Mrhab24 says:

    Could be the horse, could be…. um…. The dog!!!


    …I’m on a horse!

  50. Jarshman says:

    It’s amazing that JM gives DD an opportunity to center the first PP unit. Has Eller even had a shift on the PP? Eller works harder than most players on this team. There are a few of players I can think of sitting before Eller. What does this kid got to do to stay in the lineup?

  51. 123456 says:

    i just do not see the love-in with eller. he does not dominate – yes he shows a few good shifts a game but he does not appear yet ready for a top 6 role and he has not shown me anything that makes him a lock in the bottom 6.

  52. The Cat says:

    I agree. Theres not any discrepancies in talent. Nothing like sitting Subban for Weber.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  53. jimmy shaker says:



  54. StevieRay says:

    Not me dogg…..I’m with you !..cold as hell in NS today … and now I see our Best player/playmaker .. on point on the PP….. with PK …that’ll be exciting !

  55. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    OK – I feel the need to shout loudly:





    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  56. Chuck says:

    If sitting Eller over Desharnais or vise-versa has any effect on the outcome of this season, then the Habs are in bigger trouble than we thought. It’s almost not even worth discussing.

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  57. SmartDog says:

    Why is everyone so f-n happy?

    We’re injury-riddled, scrapping for a play-off spot (and scrapping is not our strength), and Price has sucked for about 10 games.  I’d like to be so rosy but it’s cold out and I had to watch our Juniors fold like a house made of rice crisps in a rainstorm.  Why?? Why??


  58. joeybarrie says:

    Eller is not getting enough playing time to really do anything big. So why not sit him. Let’s see what DD can do. I don’t think giving Eller more playing time is the answer either. Only when he is ready. I like what i see from him so far. I look at Eller like SK’s replacement. SK wasn’t working out so we replaced him with a bigger center with a better attitude. Something we need. Once SK started to get more playing time, his points improved. Same thing with Eller.Hopefully for SK the trade was the wake up call he needed and he is maturing. But now that he is getting more minutes with top players his points are imroving from 4 goals in 20 games playing 3rd and 4th line minutes to 15 points in 15 games with top 2 line minutes.

    I do not think the choice between Eller and DD will be the deciding factor in this game. Its all up to our top two lines. If they can score, and we can play well on D without Hamr, Gorges and Markov (our best 3 defense) then we can win. If Price can play to his steal the game level, we have a good chance. but I do not think it has anything to do with Eller vs DD. When we play aginst top teams like Philly and Pitts Eleer plays less than 10 minutes anyways…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  59. SmartDog says:

    Post of the day!


  60. SmartDog says:

    And also with you.

    What’s that smell?


  61. Mrhab24 says:

    May the force be with you Sir.


    …I’m on a horse!

  62. Habhopeful says:

    As much as i do think Lars is a good prospect and believe with time he will become a great player for us, I rarely, if ever, seen him make a hit, His stats show 32 hits on the season, so obviously 32 have counted as hits but I cant recall a seeing a hit from him, mind you, he seems to be a player who doesn’t need to hit to play the game but im just sayin…


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  63. Mrhab24 says:



    Are they all the same or are some better than others?


    …I’m on a horse!

  64. avatar_58 says:

    Pick him up on waivers then use him as trade bait with Tampa Bay.

  65. Graves says: has never failed me (knock on wood).

  66. Malreg says:

    He actually cleared waivers at noon today, and was assigned to Tampa’s AHL team.  He will not have to go through re-entry waivers if called up to the big team though.

  67. Mrhab24 says:

    TY Mr. Cobb


    …I’m on a horse!

  68. Malreg says:

  69. Ian Cobb says:


  70. Mrhab24 says:

    I know this has been asked 100 times before, but I lost my note with the address. How and where can I watch the game online tonight?


    …I’m on a horse!

  71. jimmy shaker says:

    MAB, MAB, MAB….he’s on waivers, pick’em up.  I know, I know relax!


  72. Hammer says:

    Why scratch Eller. he has size, skill, skates and hits? has JM lost it. You telling me the smurf they called up should be taking the place of one of the only FW’s over 5’8″ ? I see the habs slipping, slipping away…….

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    In HABS we trust.

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