Subbanov pays price; Gorges, Hamrlik out

AUDIO: P.K. Subban | Hal Gill | Jacques Martin

P. K. Subban paid the price for Team Canada’s el foldo at the world junior championships. He lost a bet to teammate Andrei Markov and he was forced to don a red Russia sweatshirt and hat after the morning skate in Brossard.

Markov is a long-term casualty following knee surgery and the Canadiens will alao be without defencemen Josh Gorges and Roman Hamrlik. This will be the fifth game Gorges has missed with a right knee injury. He is not skating and is beginning to look like a long-term case.

Hamrlik missed two practices this week with an undisclosed injury. He returned to the ice before his teammates and stayed after the morning skate but whatever ails him will keep him out tonight.

His absence means Alexandre Picard returns to the lineup after three games as a healthy scratch and there will be a change in the secobd power-play unit. David Desharnais will  be up front between Michael Cammalleri and Andrei Kostitsyn while Tomas Plekanec will replace Hamrlik on the left point with Subban on the right.

Lars Eller will be the healthy scratch 

 

131 Comments

  1. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

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  2. TripleX says:

    I was referring to players dominating in their respective leagues as a measure of relative talents.

    Talk to me once you make the move out of the ECHL.

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  3. solomio says:

    hey fear you 2 thirds right.

    IMO the line should be : Maxpac / Desharnais / Gionta AND

    Pouliot / Gomez / Eller

     

    Now thats got to light your fire !

  4. G-Man says:

    Max Pac 62 NHL games- 19 points- woah, is he a dominant player or what?

    Lars Eller 45 NHL games- 8 points- total domination, the sequel.

    How many games do they need to “develop”?

    Lafleur scored 30 goals in his first 3 seasons and was considered to be a washout. How can you expect the coach not to sit these guys?

  5. Bugs says:

    Seems the PED line looked good because of P and D, Nottie, especially if we consider that the PED line wasn’t as effective as the PHD line, which was also broken up.

    The plan is to WIN, Nottie, not “work guys in”. Just business. If Dezzy gets 6 pts in 10 games insteada Eller’s 6pts in 40, business says Dezzy stays and Eller goes. That’s what the plan should be and about time it’s put into motion, ask me.

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  6. rocketsglare says:

    Comrade, Tavarich Subbanov. I like it.

    Go Habs Go!

  7. bwoar says:

    XXX,

    You don’t draft guys out the AHL.  The examples were of AHL dominance.  Please keep up or we’ll send you back to junior.

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  9. TripleX says:

    Well if Eller is playing top line minutes then SOMEONE has to play LESS.

    Learn to add!

     

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  10. spos080808 says:

    Where did I say Eller would put up the same numbers? Those players right now are better than Eller. I am saying Eller would put up decent numbers, much better than now, if playing with those players. LEarn how to read!

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  11. Mattyleg says:

    He’s allowed to make mistakes. No-one said he wasn’t.

    Someone has to sit, and it makes sense to play the players who’ve been hot. DD has been on fire in the AHL, and Marty probably wants to try to keep his momentum rolling.

    Eller’s a rookie. I like his play, but it’s part of hockey.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  12. SLONCOLD says:

    well, i like the kid him sitting won’t change the game. he’s a young kid with good abilities; raw talent that needs a lot of work.

    Numbers aren’t everything, i’ll give you that but unfortunately for this arguement they provide an objective base in which to compare point performance.

    I think darche is having a very good season by the way.

  13. Hali_Hab says:

     Yes you are correct but there are a number of players who deserve to be in the press box before that kid. It’s actually foolish that he is  sitting, hes a #1 draft pick with a tun of upside and wait for it  HE’S A  CENTER!!???  because you and i  and every one on this site  all know that the habs are not in desperate need for one of those.  That kid along with their others should be aloud to play and make mistakes,  but for some reason that doesnt happen in montreal. unless he scores 50 goals, he  or any young player for that matter wont get any ice time. its backwards thinking  and mind boggling.“After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.“
    Guy Lafleur.

  14. Will Longlade says:

    Points are a reflection of many variables. How a player is being utilized by their coach; how they are being asked to play; being able to play your natural position; total ice time; linemates etc. Eller would have much more success if he was given Darche’s role and PP time.

  15. notbigbird says:

    I have no idea what the frickin plan is. I don’t think anybody does. But I think the general plan with Lars is to work him in slowly. Well, it can’t be anything else, assuming there’s a plan, bc that’s what they’re doing. Didn’t the Pouliot-Eller-Darche line look good earlier? Why did they break it (and others) up? You tell me. Then we’ll both know.

    Oh … the hate thing was a question.

  16. Hali_Hab says:

     Can some one please  explain to me what sense it makes to make eller a healthy scratch????? they payed a high pirce to get this kid so why dont they play him? and i dont mean 8 minutes a game, i mean give him the ice time and chance to develop. i mean seriously which dominant foward is he going to be taking the ice time away from?  gimmie a break,  I  dont know  what JM is doing .. no wait… yes i do  he’s being JM just like he was in ottawa, PLAY YOUR YOUTH,,, or we can let them die on the vine.  I mean patches said  it once all ready this  year and he was exactly right.

     

    “After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.“
    Guy Lafleur.

  17. habby27 says:

    for all the people comparing Darche and Halpern to Eller well you are just dumb.  Darche is on the PP for some stupid reason and Halpern is a faceoff specialist. They are on the ice way more than Eller. That because JM feels like he cant let his Vets down to a 21 year old rookie or something.  Eller is better than Darche and Halpern, and those who watch every game know that. 

    And the guy who says Gomez is better than eller….. why cuz he can skate faster through the neutral zone fast than everone else in the league while doing cross overs on every stride.  He can shoot, he cant score and he plays top mins so he happens to have WOW 21 POINTS… He the second highest paid player in the league and he is terrible…

     

  18. Bugs says:

    Yeah, I see talent. I see drive, good skating, nice handling, some vision, and excellent work ethic.

    What I DON’T see are shots on goal, effective set-ups, or any production whatsoever.

    Is this not 100% absolutely correct? Am I making anything up here? What are we doing on this team? What’s the plan exactly?

    Don’t tell me I hate, ok Nottie? 6pts in 40 games, ok? That’s what it is. Spare me the melodrama.

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  19. JohnBellyful says:

    That and his intangibles, which every Habs player seems to possess in varying degree. In Eller’s case it’s raw talent, youthful energy, hockey sense … and surely by now he would have learned how to defend ably enough under JM’s system (or he is another one of JM’s slow learners?).

     Perhaps he’s not quite the equal of Tom Pyatt in keeping the other team in check but he’s shown enough offensive potential to far outweigh whatever Stone Hands has to offer as a goal-scoring threat. Actually, it’s not so much a threat as a teeny-weeny bit of transitory concern on the opposition’s part.

    Montreal has serious trouble scoring; Eller offers a better chance of contributing to its remedy than Pyatt does. And no, the tradeoff isn’t that he represents a huge defensive liability. IMHO (In My Habfannery Opinion).

  20. TripleX says:

    Are you suggessting that Eller would put up equal or better numbers than Pleks, or Gomez, with the same playing time and wingers?

    Are you mad?

    I mean I can’t stand Gomez, but even I recognize he is superior to Eller.

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  21. mjames says:

    I feel bad for Eller. I know his stats are not great but this kid is strong on the puck, He is tenacious along the boards. I would play and let him develop. I really do not thinjk he hurts the team (-1) over other players such as Payatt, Darche, Desharnaise, Halpern Gomez and especially Moen. He is a dam good backchecker, at least from the times I have seen him play. I wish Martin would just let him play.  

    mjames

  22. forskis says:

    I hope that Subban losing the bet also means that when his name is announced over the speakers for anything, that it will be as “Subbanov.”

    The 2nd PP pairing seems like a good idea.  DD is 24 years old now and this is his make-or-break opportunity, he has proven to have good consistency at the AHL-level so he has fully earned this…plus having Pleks on the point is fine, he is defensively responsible, I just hope that his point shots make it through on goal. 

    As for those saying that Eller is being wasted…I disagree, he is only 21 and could use AHL time but being a scratch is par for the course sometimes as he is still a work in progress…his continued presence is also to remind DD that Eller is his replacement if he does not work hard.

    /sarcasm Also, this is a random thing…but notice that the Habs have gone into their tailspin only after Gomez started putting up points?  I believe that the team needs Gomez, but maybe not his points since they do not correlate with wins. /sarcasm

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  23. TripleX says:

    I think the points DD is putting up consistently in the AHL means he deserves an honest chance to prove himself.  What is so wrong with that?

    If Eller is really the great player you think he is he will get his chance as well.  In fact because of the controversy over the Halak trade he will get EVERY chance to prove himself.

    At this point I don’t think playing DD over Eller will hurt the team and may give the team a spark.

    Even a donkey I imagine, would think it reasonable to give a player who has earned it a fair chance.

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  24. TripleX says:

    You do realize that was sarcasm?

     

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  25. TripleX says:

     

    Nothing is guaranteed when assessing young talent.  But dominance in say the MJHL and AHL would be the best indicator of such.

    How do you think scouts assess the relative abilities of players?  By comparing their play against others in the league.

    So Corey Locke turned out to be a bust, well so did Doug Wickenheisser.  NOTHING is guaranteed but you need some sort of measuring stick don’t you?

    If I had the top pick in the draft I think I might choose the player that has dominated that league.

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  26. spos080808 says:

    Wait a second, you really think Pleks would be putting up good point totals if playing 10 mins a game with Darche/Pyatt?

    And you think DD is going to put up numbers playing 10 mins a game playing with Darche/Pyatt?

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Wow, man just wow.

    Even Sid, the greatest player in the world, if only playing 10 mins a game with those wingers and no PP time would not be putting up points. Get real buddy.

    Thanks for the laugh though.

    SMH!!!!

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  27. SeriousFan09 says:

    AHL dominance means NOTHING!

    Remember that the next time you say JM is solely to blame for Subban not setting the league on fire.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  28. patience is a virtue says:

    OK, I think we part ways on two matters:

    1) I disagree with your assessment of the development potential of playing 3rd or 4th line minutes in the NHL, or being up with the big club, etc.  I think big minutes in the AHL offers certain things in terms of the opportunity to play and score, work on skills, etc.  While there is less of this on a 3rd or 4th line in the NHL, almost all of the linemates are at least as good as those in the AHL, plus there is the learning that happens from playing, practicing, and hanging with Andrei Markov, Tomas Plekanec, Brian Gionta, etc, plus an NHL level coaching staff.  That’s huge. 

    As I said, if Eller didn’t come in the trade with Halak, he might be down in the AHL right now getting the former kind of experience, instead of being brought along slowly in Mtl.  But there are good arguments for him being up as well.  Yet, there is no room for him, nor is he ready to play top 2 centre.

    2) In terms of DD, I disagree with you because I think he is making his unlikely-NHLer-self unignorable by leading the AHL in points.  He has earned another shot.  The Habs are/hopefully were in a desperate funk and need some proding.  So DD gets the call.  I disagree that playing with Darche, Pouliot, Moen, or Pyatt is a death sentence. Look at Halpern’s production, for example. 

    3rd or 4th line time in The Show is not a sentence in pergatory, but it can be a trial by fire.  DD will have to produce, regardless of the odds, or he won’t stay.  Eller, on the otherhand, will get the benefit of the doubt while he develops.

  29. SeriousFan09 says:

    LOL on the lost bet to Markov.

    Hopefully PK’s smarting a bit and comes out on fire tonight. As for lineup choices, I’ll wait on results before criticizing them too sharply.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  30. spos080808 says:

    Wow man you really are a donkey.

    I bet you are the same person who thought Jason Ward was going to be a superstar for the Habs when he was tearing it up in the AHL.

    You prob. think DD is going to be a 90pt scorer if given the chance huh based on his AHL production.

    Why isnt Hydar, Krog, Aucoin putting up 75pt seasons in the NHL, I mean they have dominated the AHL for years.

    You are a complete joker.

  31. notbigbird says:

    You really hate this guy, don’t you. Do you not see any talent there?

  32. notbigbird says:

    A few good shifts a game is not so bad bc he only gets a few shifts a game.

  33. Bugs says:

    I have the link to his ole’folks home CCTV feed.

    Ha! Chew on THAT, Jack. (z-formation finger snap) Unnnh! Yeah, baby.

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com


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