Subban will win Norris Trophy: report; Melanson bashes Price

The NHL hasn’t announced its year-end award winners yet, but according to Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos Canadiens defenceman P.K. Subban will win the Norris Trophy as the league’s top defenceman.

Tweeted Kypreos: “Confirmed word out of Montreal and NY is #Canadian P.K Subban will be announced during Cup final as the winner of #NHL 2013 Norris trophy.”

Subban, who finished the season with 11-27-38 totals in 42 games to go along with a plus-12, would be the first Canadiens defenceman to win the Norris since Chris Chelios in 1989. Pittsburgh’s Kris Letang and Minnesota’s Ryan Suter are the other two Norris Trophy finalists.

Complete list of Norris Trophy winners.

Meanwhile, former Canadiens goalie coach Roland Melanson says goaltender Carey Price has gotten worse over the last few seasons because of bad coaching.

“Carey hasn’t stopped deteriorating since I left. He’s all over the place now,” Melanson, now the goaltending coach with the Vancouver Canucks, told L’Acadie Nouvelle, a French newspaper in New Brunswick.  ”At some point, there has to be some accountability in the school yard. The position requires a lot of work and Carey hasn’t been consistent. He let things slide in practice and it caught up to him during games.”

Melanson, who left Montreal in 2009, added that his replacement Pierre Groulx, who was recently fired as the Canadiens goaltending coach, allowed Price to develop bad habits.

“He wanted to be his friend,” Melanson said. “A goalie doesn’t want you to be his friend — he wants results. You’re not there to be his friend.”

Price went 2-6-0 in his last eight regular-season appearances, allowing 27 goals, and was pulled in back-to-back appearances. He finished the regular season with a 21-13-4 record with a 2.59 goals-against average and .905 save percentage. In the playoffs, Price was 1-2 with a 3.26 GAA and .894 save percentage. For his career, Price is 9-17 in the playoffs with a 2.90 GAA and .905 save percentage.

Game 1 of the Stanley Cup final between the Blackhawks and Boston Bruins is Wednesday night in Chicago (8 p.m., CBC, NBC, RDS). Game 2 is Saturday (8 p.m., CBC, RDS).

(Photo by Graham Hughes/The Canadian Press)

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624 Comments

  1. Bradzerker says:

    Sour grapes Rollie

  2. revengfullsnowman says:

    Game after game price displayed elite level play however at the end of the year he let in a ton of goals. Thus meaning he has sub par stats

  3. The Dude says:

    With Timmons being head scout for the Habs, I think it should be mandatory for him too be wearing stilts and in a high chair at the Draft or stay home and view the event on Skype while on his roof!

  4. petefleet says:

    I’m starting to understand Price’s problem. It’s our defence! Price is just fine. He is not our problem. The “D” is. Posters below did a fine job pointing this out. I have completely missed the boat on this one I guess. Great goaltending comes from great defence. Got it!!
    The above statement is 100% sarcasm.
    At the end of the day, you could have Chara, Pronger, Stevens, Robinson and Savard in your D corp and if the goalie can’t stop the pucks that come at him, you will lose the game. The only modern exception to that “rule” was the Oilers in the 80′s when they would simply out score the oppositon no matter how many goals they needed.
    I’m not buying the love in with Price people. He has to be A LOT better and A LOT more consistant no matter who happens to be infront of him. Some goals are obviously impossible to stop no matter who you are, I accept that.

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  5. DorvalTony says:

    Price sucks. Period.

    “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
    William F. Buckley, Jr.

    • petefleet says:

      Love your tag line.

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      ***Go Habs Go***

  6. frontenac1 says:

    @burly. Agreed amigo. “There are Lies,There are Damn Lies, and There are Statistics”.Saludos!

  7. SlovakHab says:

    Ah, so the latest flavour of the day, Brian Bickell, is also originally a 2nd round pick.
    Just like Subban, Lucic, Bergeron, Krejci and lots of other star players.
    Perhaps having three 2nd round picks isn’t all that bad.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      This draft very well could be the telling moment of Bergevin’s career as a GM. This could be great moment in Hab history!

    • Luke says:

      Yes, but a 2nd round pick when?

      While the Habs fans are celebrating Moen’s oooops Bickell’s success now, would they have been so patient?

      Drafted in ’04 Bickell played his first full season in ’10-11. 6 years after being drafted (the year before Carey Price to add a touch of perspective).

  8. Habfan10912 says:

    If you’re the Rangers who do you hire? Vigneault, or Ruff?
    If you’re the Canucks who do you hire? Ruff or Torts?

  9. JohnBellyful says:

    ABC has announced it’s bringing back I’m Corsi, He’s Fenwick, the sitcom about the antics of two lovable hockey stats freaks.

    Fenwick: Jim, we got more nasty emails today saying our systems stink and we’re a pair of idiots. I’m beginning to think they’re right. You can’t ignore that many people saying the same thing. The numbers don’t lie. Maybe we are missing something.
    Corsi: Maybe YOU are, I’m not. Keeping track of blocked shots IS statistically relevant.
    Fenwick: Aw, let’s not get into that again. Let’s face it, we’re never going to agree on that point.
    Corsi: Point! That’s it, shots from the point! Have you been keeping track of those?
    Fenwick: No. A shot’s a shot, who cares where it comes from?
    Corsi: But that’s just it! A shot from centre ice, for example, isn’t likely to score, Jacque Lemaire’s goal in Game 7 of the 1971 Stanley Cup final being the exception that proves the rule.
    Same with a shot from a sharp angle, the chances are pretty slim
    Fenwick: Unless you’re Patrick Sharp. So what’s your point?
    Corsi: The point is my point. You know how Don Cherry goes on and on about how important shots from the point are, well, the old coot just might be onto something. Maybe we should factor that into our computations.
    Fenwick: You know, you could be right. If we went back through all the game data, say, for the last five years and isolated the shots from the point, we could determine if there is a statistical connection between the number of shots from just inside the blue line and the number of goals a team scores.
    Corsi: Ooooh, I’m starting to tingle. This could prove once and for all that we know what we’re talking about, and that our detractors are idiots.
    Fenwick: Yeah, I like that. Maybe THAT’S a relevant statistic. The more people who think that you’re wrong, the more likely it is that you’re right.
    Corsi: Well, I’ve always thought that. But I’ve never taken the time to compile the numbers to back that up.
    Fenwick: Not a problem. I’ve been keeping tally. As of an hour ago, we have received 2,479,711 emails and four letters calling us a jerks with 1,642,580 telling us to get a life.
    Corsi: How many saying we’re on the right track?
    Fenwick: Lemme see, I put that postcard some place.
    Corsi: Never mind. Let’s get started on those point shots.
    Fenwick: Right! But just the ones that get through, right?
    Corsi: No, no, no! Include the ones that get blocked as well!
    Fenwick: Why??!!! You block a shot at the point, YOU’RE the one that’s going to get a good scoring chance, not the team on the power play!
    Corsi: Or the guy doing the blocking could go down with a broken leg and now you’re up two players inside the zone!
    Fenwick: Yeah, well, how often does that happen, remember
    [Fade from scene, with Corsi, Fenwick yelling over each other, holding up their iPhones in each other’s face, pointing to webpages crammed with NHL data ...]

    Full disclosure: I know hardly anything about either statistical system, and understand even less, so take what’s written with a huge grain of salt. I might have distorted the substance of their arguments and ignored important details a teensy-weensy bit.

    Partial disclosure: I wrote this in my skivvies.

  10. SmartDog says:

    Meet Dr. CORSI and Professor FENWICK.

    For those who see these terms and think – WTF is that?

    It’s really very easy. The terms are similar. Both are a proxy for puck possession, measuring shots instead of possession time. So they compare your shots to the other teams shots, with the idea that hockey is really about getting shots… and that while you could fire 50 shots and not score one game, overall a team that outshoots opponents regularly has the puck more and probably has the ability to win more games.

    CORSI is essentially a plus/minus statistic that includes ALL shots on goal, missed shots and blocked shots.
    FENWICK is the same comparison, but with blocked shots removed.

    So if you say our Fenwick or Corsi was one of the highest in the league, as someone did below…. they’re saying that these stats show we had one of the best shot ratios, imiplying that we had more possession and more chances to score, even if we didn’t. Ergo, our success in the regular season wasn’t a fluke, these stats show our team was out-chancing opponents.

    The reason it’s talked about is that it has been used to predict some teams (LA Kings for example) as being better than their record, and some teams as not being as good as their record… and I guess sometimes it’s been pretty good at that.

    Really it’s a consolation prize. “We’re 2 points out of a playoff spot but our Fenwick is 4th in the league!” says that we’re doing the right things and either just need patience or more consistent goaltending.

    Class dismissed!

    Next week, I’m gonna explain rap music!

    SD

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    • Cal says:

      Both “stats” are a joke. The disparity between one set of off-ice officials and others is enormous. Their views about what is a shot/hit etc vary from official to official. In other words, it’s a completely bogus waste of math, attempting to quantify that which is not quantifiable.
      Deep “stats” may work for baseball, but not hockey.

      http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

      • HabinBurlington says:

        If statistics alone determined hockey games Alfie Turcotte and Corey Locke would be household names in Habs fans homes.

        So much more to the game than what statistical analysis can provide.

      • SmartDog says:

        Not to mention, you can take lots of poor quality shots from the perimeter (which is why we heard a lot about Gomez’s Fenwick) and inflate these stats with little to show for it (in goals and wins).

        In fact, someone should invent a stat that works like this:

        Fenwick/Points

        Let’s call it the Fonzi. The team in this case with the highest Fonzi, would be the team who had the best shot differential but the worst record. In other words, that team that had the most ineffectual shooting. So now it’s a measure of offensive suckitude.

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      • Habfan17 says:

        I’ll trust my eyes and they tell me game in and game out, that the Habs need to incorporate more shooting drills to improve their ability to hit the net. They miss way to often when there is no reason to miss.

        Habfan17

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Morning Cal and I agree. For me scoring chances are a more telling stat but even those are subject to interpretation. There is no substitution to watching the game and letting your two eyes see what they see.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      I’d like to see a new stat.
      It’s called the CharaKlingonAlien factor (CKA), or how a Dman stacks up against a 6’9″-255 pound alien that plays with a 9 foot long stick.

      It would to answer questions such as is xyz Dman big, tough, and strong? Yea, he sure is. He has a 75% CKA factor.
      How’s his shot? Not good. He has a 40% CKA factor

    • The Gonk says:

      I’m looking forward to next week’s explanation of rap music – hopefully there’s reference to Eric B. & Rakim. ;)

  11. Maritime Ron says:

    @ petefleet.
    You write,” You can’t win in the playoffs without GREAT goaltending”….. while from here, the belief is ” You can’t win in the playoffs without GREAT Team Defense that includes GREAT goaltending along with timely goals scored.”

    Here’s the bottom line.
    This is the management team that signed Price to his extension.
    Before they ever give up on him – IF EVER, they will do whatever it takes to properly surround him with Priority I being to get stronger and bigger on D.
    That most probably means trading what may be deemed precious assets being youth and/or draft picks.
    We really have no choice.
    With this present Top 6 D – Emelin being hurt, we are going nowhere.

    The other thing I’d like to see is a Challenge to Price.
    The Bruins Rask also had ‘potential’ written all over him before this year, yet that did not stop Boston from using its 1st draft choice last summer to choose Malcolm Subban.

    Another option is knocking on the LA Kings door and asking what combo prospects/draft picks it would take besides Budaj to pry away Jonathan Bernier.
    Bernier is an RFA this summer with no Arbitration rights and the Kings do not have a 1st Round pick this year and their first pick is in the 57th spot.
    THAT would give us competition, depth, and options….

    • ed says:

      I can guarantee you that the Habs will draft a goalie this season who is projected to be an NHL goalie.

      Probably Desrosiers from Rimouski.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Ed, seems to me that many people are lumping the BG/PG era into MB’s current era. MB took over the team and has had only one draft. At the time the organization was lacking depth in nearly all positions. Now in his second draft, and one which gives him multiple picks in the early rounds, he can help fill the lack of depth at goal.

        I read over and over again the treatment of the goalie position as if MB had a hand in the previous 3-4 years.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I would still like MB to trade Weber and other players he doesn’t see in the long range plans to pick up some extra picks. They do need to bring in another elite goalie prospect, however, this is a pretty deep draft and there are some good players with the size and grit factor that is lacking, who are available in the 2nd to 4th rounds. It would be nice to stockpile a few this year to start the retooling with a bang.

          Habfan17

    • SmartDog says:

      You can’t win in the playoffs without winning!

      That’s what I say.

      And good point about the B’s drafting Subban even if Rask was looking good. You get the sense that the Habs are treating their goalie situation as if it’s covered for the next 10 years. Which is Gainey-Gauthier level stupid-think.

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    • wjc says:

      You do not like Bealieu, Ellis, Pateryn, Tinordi ? You want to trade a first round choice for Bernier

      wjc

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Did I say that?
        Did I imply that?
        What does this mean to you”?
        “….knocking on the LA Kings door and asking what combo prospects/draft picks it would take besides Budaj to pry away Jonathan Bernier”

        Did you notice the word, “Asking?”
        Once you “ask” you receive a reply.
        Once the reply is received, you study the scenario and make a decision.
        Get it?

        • Bradzerker says:

          Bergevin is smart enough not to bring in a French back up. The pressure to play the French back up everytime Price has a bad game would be off the charts. Management doesn’t need that headache and neither does CP. I agree Price needs stronger competition than Budaj.

  12. ed says:

    The “SWARM” was our undoing last season, and if Therrien comes back with it next season we are likely not even a playoff team.

    When the puck was trapped in our zone, as many as 4 Habs would go in and battle for it, leaving 1 Hab – sometimes not even a defenceman – to watch the front of our net. I remember seeing Desharnais left alone there and on another occasion Bourque.

    During January, February, and until mid-March (approx.) this SWARM worked like a charm. The other teams were completely caught off guard, we gained control of the puck as we out numbered them, and we cleared our zone with ease.

    But towards the end of March, into April, and May, this all started to go bad – for the defence, for Price, and for the team.

    The other teams had adapted to the SWARM. They found a way to release the puck from the SWARM and chip it to a supporting forward who was a few feet clear of the SWARM, and then one quick pass to the front of the net. At first, it was goalposts, crossbars, shots wide of the net, or miraculous saves by Price. But eventually the pucks started going in, and when they did, everyone looked bad.

    Think of the SWARM like a blitzing defence in football (another poster used this, I am just repeating it). You can really catch the other team off balance, blitz them, and sack the quarterback or force quick passes that are incomplete or intercepted.

    But can you blitz on every play? Won’t the other teams start throwing screen passes and quick patterns to offset the impact of the blitz?

    The Habs played the SWARM well after the other teams had adjusted and had found a way to beat it. The SWARM gave up huge scoring opportunities which made our defence look like crap – even though minus Emelin they were the same guys who had dominated for 2.5 months, and the goals caused Price to lose his composure and confidence.

    Sure we need another strong defenceman. We also need someone to replace Emelin’s minutes. Sure we need Price to regain his confidence, and we need to play bigger up front as well.

    But first and foremost Therrien needs to leave his SWARM at home next season.

    • oldandslo says:

      The swarm was conceived to compensate for our soft shrimps’ inability to win one-on-battles in our D-zone. We better size-up over the summer or else……..

      • Maritime Ron says:

        interesting post.
        Great coaches always seem to have the ability to adapt to the situation thrown at them. Quenneville did a great job in the Detroit series as did Sutter with the multiple injuries the Kings incurred.
        There is a good chance the system will stay the same with changes – maybe a hybrid swarm.

        • SmartDog says:

          I saw this – teams adapting to the swarm. And I thought “why don’t the Habs just adapt by shifting their strategy now that other teams are changing to meet the swarm?” But of course, thinking a step ahead takes… I dunno…. something that Habs haven’t had a lot of.

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        • Habfan17 says:

          Yes, maybe they can devise a modified “swarm” Or as Ed mentioned, use it off and on during a game to throw off the opposition. Great coaches and teams do adjust.

          Habfan17

          • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

            Adjusting is fine but the players need to execute those adjustments which isn’t always easy during a game. They need to practice them just as they practice the main system. As everybody knows, practice time was hard to come by last season because of the compressed schedule. They won’t have that as an excuse next season.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      The SWARM reminds me of the tactics the Allies used against the Germans to counter their superior tanks. The standard approach to deal with a German Tiger tank was to send FIVE Sherman tanks after it. As the Tiger blew away four of the Sherman tanks, the fifth would be able to get behind the Tiger and hit it in the rear, the only place the Tiger was really vulnerable and where the Sherman could hit it with any expectation of stopping it. It helped that the turret on the Tiger could not rotate very fast — a flaw that the Shermans exploited by spreading themselves out which made it much harder for the Tiger to get them all. This in turn bought the Shermans some time to sneak in behind and deliver the kill shot. Brilliant tactics — and a classic example of using your resources to best advantage. That’s what Therrien did. He “Shermanized” the opposition. In the end though, the Allies came out with better tanks that had more armour and bigger guns. The Habs would be well advised to do the same.

    • JF says:

      Good post. Chris is another who has criticized the swarm. A while ago he posted our GAA for each month of the season, and his figures certainly bear out this criticism. In January and February it was under 2, by the end of March it was up to 3, and in April it was over 3. It was rising even before Emelin was injured, so our defensive problems cannot be attributed solely to his absence. My one real beef against Therrien (and our defensive coach) is that they seemed to make no attempt to adjust the system. They’d better do it next season or, as you say, no playoffs. Abandon it, modify it, combine it with some other strategy – something has to change.

  13. Habfan17 says:

    I think this will be a difficult off season for GM’s and a very interesting one for us fans. Not only do the GM’s need to think about who to draft, should they move up and who they may target as UFA’s. They need to be prepared for players who may be bought out under the amnesty program.

    I know a lot of posters say that Bickell will command too much coin and that teams will throw crazy money at him. Some teams are in a position to do that, others are not as they are up at, or close to the cap. The other thing we need to consider is that some of the players will just take the most money, however, there is another side to consider. In Bickells case, if he stays in Chicago, will he be stuck on the 3rd line, same as teams making him an offer. If he sees himself as a 2nd line player and won’t get the chance, he could take a bit less money if he will get that chance.

    The same goes for prospects. When a team has too much depth at one position and some of the players really feel their time has come and they won’t get the chance with the team they are with, they ask to be traded. I do see that there could be a lot of movement this summer.

    Habfan17

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Agreed.
      There is a good chance of a lot of movement considering the new CBA also allows for up to 50% retention of Salary /Cap in a trade.

      Regarding Bickel, no doubt he’ll be looking for a big pay day, yet there is a belief from here that his next landing spot will be where he is ‘considered’ a Top 6/leadership position unless of course he plays himself out of that.
      Habs did a fine job on selling Prust on just that notion last summer….

      • Habfan17 says:

        Good morning! Yes, that is true to, being able to rentain salary should lead to more deals.

        MB did do a great job on demonstrating that to Prust. Since he is buidling a team to be competative long term, and players can see what he has done so far, it may convince some others that Montreal is a great place to land.

        Habfan17

  14. petefleet says:

    I don’t have a crystal ball so I can’t see the future like some other posters but I can tell you this. The Habs will be the next version of the Toronto Maple Leafs if MB does not fix the goalie situation. I don’t care how either. I’ve never been in love with Price so I don’t care if he ‘s gone…thoroughbred or not. The team is building to a point where they could be a legitamate contender but if you compare the goaltending in the final four teams in the playoffs to what we have, it’s no contest. You can’t win in the playoffas without GREAT goaltending. For all the hoopla about the “D”, I have watched goalies of the final four teams stop shot after shot that against Price would have been in the back of the net. If he doesn’t find a way to get his save % below 2.00, he’ll never win it for us and that’s not a prediction, it’s the truth.

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    • Habfan17 says:

      I still believe Price can get it together, however, the goalie coach they sign will be critical to his success. Not just in correcting technical aspects, but in dealing with the pressure. Price may appear cool as a cucumber, but it sure looks like his confidence is low. My opinion.

      If I am wrong, and there were no injury or head troubles, then Emelin or not, he should have played a lot better. I am not sure when Anderson got hurt, before or after Karlson, but for sure Cowan was out and the Sens dealt with their unfair share of injuries to key players. Anderson kept on going strong and was a big reason the Sens did as well as they did. That is what The Habs need Price to be. The Sens were also breaking in a few players as well.

      Habfan17

      • petefleet says:

        Agreed.

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  15. Un Canadien errant says:

    @habstrinifan: while searching for another post, I came across my recap of a game against the Sabres, and in it compared Tyler Myers’ situation to P.K.’s, and a lot of the issues we’re discussing I tried to cover then.

    If you’re interested: http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/04/game-40-canadiens-5-sabres-1.html

  16. HNS says:

    So Price sucks, who didn’t know that?

  17. ooder says:

    so people disagree with Melanson but does anybody here actually think Price has been improving?!
    maybe a bit, not at all by the standards that Gaine and co set for him.
    he had a great season in 2010-2011.
    a not bad year in 2011-2012.
    he started out ok this year but when the team struggled, well oh boy was he the last guy to try and bail them out.
    his playoff stats are laughable.
    can he be good? ya sure
    has he been? we have seen some flashes.
    should he be better by now?… duh
    does the team need better D? like hugh hefner needs viagra (that’s a yes).
    but this year i am very disappointed, in a year where the habs played great all season, a high paced, exciting brand of hockey IMO he was the one who prevented us from passing the sens considering we dominated them 4 out of 5 games. Not only was he unable to steal a game, he threw one out the window

  18. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    I remember watching a game on TSN that took place past the halfway point of this season. The panelists were praising Price’s play, seriously considering him as a Vezina candidate . Correct me if i’m wrong, his “woes” happened to coincide with the injury bug that plagued the Habs late in the season.

    Could somebody please tabulate Price’s stats pre-Emlin injury and post-Emlin injury?

    My own personal opinion is that Price did not play well down the stretch-run of the season, but his team did not play remarkable in front of him. Montreal is a pressure packed city to play hockey, and it’s possible that when things aren’t going well in Montreal, our franchise goaltender tends to take the lions-share of abuse from fans and media.

    Thoughts?

    • The_Truth says:

      There was no injury bug that coincided with Price’s downfall, except Emelin.

      If you look at Price’s play down the stretch it wasn’t Emelin’s absence that was the issue. He just played bad. There is no way around it.

      Yes, the team faltered as well and contributed to the team’s demise, but if we are just talking about Price right now, there are no excuses to explain his slide at the end of the year. He just wasn’t good enough. Hopefully he can turn it around and certainly isn’t as bad as he the last few months of the year. Maybe a new goalie coach can make a big difference?

      • wjc says:

        Downfall?……Downfall?….teams demise? They lost a first round playoff. Injuries, and size issues contributed. Size issues have to be addressed. Last few months of the year…..they secured a playoff spot in the last three weeks and took their foot of the gas, not a few months. Eller injury, Emilin injury and others were killers.

        wjc

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Chris posted a breakdown of our goals against by month a while back, not sure if anyone remembers when it was posted, and if we can re-post it. There was a steady decrease in defensive performance as demonstrated by Goals Against, but masked somewhat by a great offensive showing in March. The wheels came off in April and we ground to a halt in May.

      My take is that Carey may not have to shoulder all the blame for the end-of-season swoon, but after the Toronto game when he was sent to the bench after allowing 3 goals out of 4 shots in ten minutes, he had a number of games when he let in at least one soft goal, and sometimes more. His confidence was shot. Sure, he didn’t have his 6 regular defencemen in front of him, but it wasn’t them letting floaters from the sideboards get past him.

  19. SlovakHab says:

    I am worried no more. After reading Berkeshire’s new blog and learning that our regular season Fenwick tells him that Habs are real contenders, I am fully confident that our playoff woes were just a fluke and we’ll be in the finals very very soon.

    Or not.

    • JayK-47 says:

      Yes. We should also get Gomez back to hoist another Corsi Cup.

      • SlovakHab says:

        Does this not warm up your heart? So naive it’s adorable:

        “Removing the Cunneyworth era from the last three seasons of NHL action, the Canadiens have been a 52.4% Fenwick team, one of the top teams in the league. Most of that time was spent without Andrei Markov, the Habs’ second best defenseman.
        Most was also spent without young possession drivers like Alex Galchenyuk and Brendan Gallagher. The Canadiens have been getting better and better every season. This year they were lock and step with Boston the entire season until Carey Price had his troubles, which was the only major difference between the two teams as far as play goes.
        You’re free to believe that the Canadiens aren’t contenders, but you’re dead wrong. All evidence points to them being contenders right now.”

      • wjc says:

        Oh yea a Gomez joke, they never get old. Throw in a Ranciot joke while you are at it, they never fail to make me laugh and laugh and roll on the floor.

        wjc

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I thought Fenwick was Molson’s butler…Anyway, I’m not a hockey expert but I thought things like wins, losses and Stanley Cups indicated how good a team is.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Clay says:

        See,that’s your problem right there – putting stock in results. Silly you…
        ;)

        __________________________
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      • SlovakHab says:

        “You’re free to believe that the Canadiens aren’t contenders, but you’re dead wrong.”

        Confucius

        • Clay says:

          “Print is the sharpest and the strongest weapon of our party.” (Stalin)
          Apparently, the same is also true of the Montreal Canadiens.

          __________________________
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          • HabinBurlington says:

            Hey bud, attached a link below regarding Markov ntc which I think is his current ntc agreement.

          • Clay says:

            I saw it Gerald – thanks. Already replied actually!

            __________________________
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    • twilighthours says:

      Amazing. Just this week, one of EOTP’s commenters posted a long article about how fenwick is actually not a very good predictor of playoff success. I guess he missed the memo on that.

  20. otter649 says:

    Just had a quick glance at CapGeek & noticed Philadelphia is currently 2.5 million over the 2013/2014 salary cap with 24 players signed but before any buyouts so it will be interesting to observe The Flyers on how they manage the cap this summer…..

    - Stanley come home…..

    • Mike D says:

      They’ll likely be buying out Bryzgalov and Briere. That would cut a little over 12mil off their current cap.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Bill J says:

        Or Pronger and his 4 year deal that won’t disappear.


        Go Habs Go!

        • Mike D says:

          4 more years at just under 5mil. Thing is though, because he’s injured, he doesn’t count against their cap.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • Bill J says:

            Bryz can be traded, Briere has 2 years left. I dunno, they gota get rid of some space… Who knows? lol glad its not our team!


            Go Habs Go!

          • Mike D says:

            Bryz can likely be traded and I’m sure Ed Snider doesn’t want to write the cheque to buy him out cuz it’s a BIG one. It would be a tough contract to move though because of the term and dollars, and mostly because there are actually quite a few goalie options this year.

            If Mike Smith doesn’t want to re-up with Phoenix, I’d offer them Bryz for Smith’s rights and agree to keep 1mil/year of Bryz’s cap hit for the duration of his contract. In the end, it saves the owner a lot of coin, doesn’t impact their cap in a big way since it’s only 1mil, and gives them an exclusive window to sign Smith who actually might help them. Heck maybe they could even work in a clause where if Smith signs with Philly, Phoenix gets Briere too and Philly keeps some of his cap.

            As of right now, Phoenix only has 7 forwards under contract. Philly needs to shed some bodies as well as some cap space.

            - Honestly yours
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          • The_Truth says:

            What owner/GM in their right mind would pick up Bryz and that contract? This year with the cap going down, the answer is no one.

            Flyers are going to have to buy him out.

          • Mike D says:

            Truth, I’m not sure if you were replying to Bill or to me. However, here was my thinking:

            Bryz has a tough contract to move, no one doubts that. That said, he had success in Phoenix before. If Phoenix loses Smith they are in need of a solid goalie. If Philly were to retain 1mil of Bryz’s cap space, Phoenix would have him at 4.6mil for the next 7 years. Term is a bit lengthy, but 4.6mil is a relative bargain if he can be close to what he was for the Yotes before.

            Phoenix gets a legit starter, Philly sheds a lot of salary while only retaining a manageable 1mil, avoids the expensive buyout on Bryz, and gets Smith as a starter who may actually do what Bryz was supposed to. Smith will be expensive so they’ll have to dump Briere’s contract one way or another, but not a bad deal for either team.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • The_Truth says:

            If the Flyers do pick up one million per season it does make it look a little better. Bryz is turning 33 in a few weeks and taking him on for 7 years, even at 4.6 per year is still a very bad move for Phoenix. Especially after Bryz had a terrible season and with all his sideshow distractions. I think saying Bryz is a legit starter has now become borderline.

            With all Phoenix’s cap space, why wouldn’t they just add another mil or two and sign a better goalie in Smith, who already has roots with the team and is embraced by his teammates?

            If for some reason Smith won’t sign a big contract with Phoenix they are better off trading for Luongo than Bryz. Or better yet, they would be better off trading for a low risk, high reward goalie like Halak, Emery, Fasth/Hillar, Bernier, Enroth to name a few.

  21. NightRyder says:

    Melanson has not done himself any favours, career-wise.

    Even if he was 100% correct, you don’t want folks with loose lips in your organization.

    Can Gillis trust him not to bad-mouth Luongo or Schneider?

  22. HardHabits says:

    Whilst ya’ll are argumentating about I don’t really care what, other than Prust for Captain, I am listening to this splendid album.

    And punkster… nobody cares about Miles Davis’ special brand of cacophony.

    • punkster says:

      Cacophony for some…but I’m sure you refer to his mid 70s period when the drugs and health issues took their toll.

      Most of his work from the 50s, 60s and early 70s is beyond reproach…and his works of the 80s until his death in ’91 while not particularly ground breaking was hardly discordant.

      Try the albums “Relaxin’” , “Steamin’”, “Workin’”, “Sketches of Spain”, “Kind of Blue”, “E.S.P.”, “Nefertiti” and “In A Silent Way” before venturing into “Bitches Brew”… when you get there you’ll understand.

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  23. Small_Town_Boy says:

    What has Roland Melanson done for Vancouver lately?

    His Career stats: GAA 363 SAV% .875

    Rollie should just shut the “F” up!

    Dat’s wha me tinks

  24. ABHabsfan says:

    Since we are playing “trade scenario”; given the Habs’ 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, would you trade ALL those picks to Fla for 2nd overall? Would Tallon go for it? I think he would and I, from a habs perspective would do it as well. Go big or go home

    “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • Mike D says:

      Interesting. All of our first 6 picks for the 2nd overall pick. I’d like to swap DD for Kulikov in that scenario too. Helps clear our logjam at Center while giving them a top-9 C, and we get a useful Dman for our needs.

      Plus I heard there’s only like 6 or some crazy small number of Russian Dmen in the NHL so we may as well add another considering we already have two. We could go from the Big 3 to the Red 3! :-P

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • JUST ME says:

      Not in a million year. Give away your future for a maybe ?
      100 % sure that you will regret the move sooner than you think. Even if you get a great player , it does not garantee anything.
      Anyway siz draft choices against one just does not make sense for a team like Montreal that is in a building mode and that has a very weak farm team.

      • Mike D says:

        It’s a deal we could either win or lose. It’s foolish to say with certainty that we’d regret the move.

        Would you trade Galchenyuk for a late 1st, three 2nds, and two 3rds? I probably wouldn’t, and I say that realizing there could be some very good players in that bunch.

        You say we have a weak farm team, but our AHL team was full of first-time pros this year and very few vets. One thing our system actually does have is plenty of AHL-caliber players, some of whom will make it to the NHL. There is a max contract limit to be considered as well.

        I’m not saying that I’m right or that you’re wrong, but to say with certainty that we’d lose that deal the way you did is quite short-sighted.

        - Honestly yours
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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Elliotte Friedman did the math last summer when the Blue Jackets turned down the Islanders offer of trading their #2 pick for the Isles’ #4, plus every other pick they had, and strictly on the percentages, that trade would have favoured NYI. The #2 pick is normally an impact/superstar player, whereas the #4 much less so, and all the remaining picks don’t make up the shortfall.

      Interesting read: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/06/new-york-islanders-columbus-blue-jackets-draft-picks-trade.html

      So I doubt very much the Panthers would trade Nathan McKinnon or Seth Jones for the #25 pick and the others the Canadiens have accumulated.

  25. Mike D says:

    A few things I’d like to pick MB’s brain about:

    - His plans for Markov and Gio
    - What he’s thinking regarding DD
    - What type of offer he’s cooking up for Subban
    - How he sees the logjam at Center
    - What he plans to do to fix the defense

    …just to name a few.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • JUST ME says:

      With all due respect your questions seem to be aimed at being ready to bash Bergevin if… I prefer to wonder what will be the new draft choices, how the Gallies will play in year 2, how cool it is to have the best d-men in the league , if the team can remain up there in the standings and what players will be added to replace the ones not coming back.

      Just a different angle and a different point of view.

      • Mike D says:

        I’m actually a pretty big fan of MB to be honest. The DD contract was a real head-shaker for me, but that aside, I think he’s done a very good job.

        I wonder about those things you mention too, but I was talking more about things that are decision-based from the GM office.

        - Honestly yours
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        • JUST ME says:

          Even if we question DD`s contract we were all very happy the day it was signed. He had a very average season to say the least but still finished 7 th in the team, lost Cole in a trade and Max Pac to injuries.

          • Mike D says:

            I was not happy the day it was signed. Too much term and too much money. I hope that DD proves me wrong on that though.

            - Honestly yours
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        • vegas says:

          I Like Bergevin and his style, but his moves have been less than stellar. There was no reason what-so-ever to offer Desharnais that contract and rspecially not at that time. DD wasn’t playing well,doesn’t meet our size requirements and hadn’t played a playoff yet. Why couldn’t he just lay it down on the table and say kid, Show me what you got and I will make you a happy man. Heck DD was not even a UFA at season end. Total waste of Cap hit and a tough trade asset unless you are willing to give him away.

          The 3 year contract to Moen, yuck

          the signing and resigning Of Boullion. Sure he’s all heart and sole, but we need big, tough and right handed. What did we get, as samll as it gets and left handed. Ok season is over, why resign him and wast more cap space. Mentor smentor. Gorges could and should have that job and be our number 5 d

          Drewksi??? seriously, we are short on right D, Emelin whom is filling in on right side (not his most effective side) goes down, Diaz goes down, our msaller number 6 Right D, Webber is injured our number 8 right D. Bergevin’s solution lets pick up a # 10 lefy handed D. Seriously Patryn or Beaulieu did a better job or for the least could not do worst. Wha about St Denis, who never looked out of place when called upon.

          Mr. Bergevin, let me be as clear as I can be. Big, Mean and right handed, let me repeat right handed. Think Polack from the Blues, Engellend as a number 7 and spot starter, same for Carkner, Big and right handed.

          Props for signing Prust, thumbs down for not finding him a supporting role player.

          Other than that, Oh ya we finished bottom the year before and picked up Galchenyuk at the 3 spot. no credit there. And Gallagher ended up a pleseant surprise, no credit there either.

          However I am happy he didnt trade the farm to pick up someone at the dealine, it wasn’t our year and we still have some building to do.

          His true test will be this year and next. Hopefully he can work some magic. We have good foundations in Galchenyul, Eller, Gallagher, Pacioretty, Prust, Subban, Emelin, Tinordi, Beaulieu and I still am a Price believer. Now fill in the blanks, everyone else should be available

  26. SmartDog says:

    The hardest thing to guess is who might get traded, because you never know what kind of deals are being made, what other teams are asking for, etc. But I have this bad feeling Plekanec will get traded. Since the team wants to get younger and bigger and Eller is being trained for that role…. and of course DD needs a tidy little spot where he is untouchable…. Pleks would be of real value to many teams – a solid 2nd or 3rd line center who can play any of several different roles.

    ————————————-
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    • Bill J says:

      I agree, the old guard is about to be weened out, the writing is on the wall. Markov too will be shipped this summer, or during the season…

      But history to this point has granted MB our faith he is leading this team to the goal we all so want to see, our team playing this late in the year.


      Go Habs Go!

    • JUST ME says:

      We are probably in for a few surprises but i doubt that many of those will be on the Habs side…not this season.
      With the possibilities of buyouts it will be interresting to see who will be bought out , who will take the chance with those overpaid ou useless players and what sacrifices those teams will have to make to fit them in their budgets. It is in this category that surprise deals can be made. Players suddenly made available that nobody thought could change teams.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Who else but Pleks could get us a good return? I know there are others, but I don’t think we want to lose them. Strangely enough I wonder if Diaz would be of interest to the right team — that needs a guy who can move the puck, play the point etc.

  27. JayK-47 says:

    TRADE MUSING ALERT:

    NYR’s need a PP QB and they don’t draft until the 3rd round.

    The Habs have an excellent PP QB and lots of draft picks.

    McDonagh for Markov and a pick or two.

    Thoughts?

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      No chance…I agree with trading Markov though. Why keep a guy you will probably not resign next year?

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Bill J says:

      Nah, if anything Markov will be part of a package to either:

      1) move up in the draft.
      2) land a top 6 forward.


      Go Habs Go!

    • Phil C says:

      Not sure if that would get it done or not, but I agree getting a big physical defenseman is a high priority, and it is good timing to ship out Markov. I would prefer to send him to the Western Conference, but if he brought back McDonagh it would be worth it.

    • JUST ME says:

      I doubt that NY would go for it . I see Markov being traded after all star break .

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Just bear in mind that Andrei Markov has a modified No Trade Clause. Not sure what it entails, if it’s the straightforward list of teams he won’t go to, or blackout periods, but he’s the kind of guy who’ll want to stay in Montréal, and not go meekly if the team asks him to waive it.

      • JayK-47 says:

        So it’s 5 nays then.

        :(

        • Clay says:

          Got to be realistic on this one Jay – why would they trade a young stud defenceman with a bright future for an aging vet with only a few good years left (at most)? It doesn’t make sense for the Rangers, unless Markov is the move that will put them over the top in terms of serious contention for the cup. He is not that move…

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          • JayK-47 says:

            I thought it seemed fair. The Rags have 2 D they value higher than McD and are missing out on what appears to be a deep draft after not really drafting well for… the past decade? Top of my head I can’t think of anyone better than Kreider. Mainly their PP is atrocious and maybe Moore might provide the answer but he’s a couple years away.

            Plus, they effing OWE us.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Not necessarily a nay, I just don’t think that it’s likely to happen, plus the NTC (with the info HIB supplied, not so much a concern, doubt that the NYR are one of the 16 teams he wouldn’t go to). Also, I’m kind of biased, since as prickly a personality Andrei is, he’s kind of my favourite Hab. Since the 2011-12 Erik Cole disappeared, especially.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ylCkVi1bE

      • Clay says:

        I searched high and low for the exact terms of his modified NTC, but came up empty. I found the terms of the modified NTC in his previous contract though – he could designate seven teams in each conference he will accept a trade to. I wonder if his new one is the same…?

        *Edit*
        Full disclosure – I searched high, but not so much low ;)

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  28. joshbenn says:

    Pleks, Moen, Kristo and Nashville’s 2nd to Florida for the 2nd overall pick.

  29. JohnBellyful says:

    My take on Hawks vs Ursus
    The Hawks will prevail because they’re talonted and the Bruins can’t match their wings.

  30. Sportfan says:

    Canucks talking to Torts LOLOLOLO

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    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Who’s next…Carbonneau? With these candidates, I would not know whether to hire someone or just shoot myself…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • wjc says:

        Before you shoot yourself, who would you hire?

        wjc

        • habstrinifan says:

          Ruff or better yet Mike Kitchen from Chicago. There are similarities in Chicago’s team and Vancouver’s teams.

          • wjc says:

            What if Ruff is already negotiating with another team, forget which one. What if Kitchen is happy in Chicago as assistant coach. You know as in unavailable, what if he has already been talked to (secretly) and he wants to keep his family in Chicago.

            In the real world things are not quite so simple.

            wjc

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          All jokes aside…Dave Tippett.

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • donmarco says:

      It actually would make sense to me. While not a fan of him, and I mean at all, Vancouver is a talented team in need of a swift kick in the a** and that’s his act. He’d either destroy that team or take it really deep into the playoffs next year. And he’ll be fired a year later. Worked for Keenan.

      “Fans don’t boo nobodies”. Reggie Jackson

      • habstrinifan says:

        Torts may be too volatile and Ruff may be too much of an ‘eastern team’ style coach. Mike Kitchen, Chicago’s assistant coach has experience, is from the western conference, and as I said above there is a similarity in the components of both teams.

        • wjc says:

          Torts in entertaining……coaches can adapt to most situations can coach anywhere in the NHL. The new Edmonton coach is from the east. Vinnealt or whatever was from Montreal. Torts did not fail in New York, coaches are always recycled, have you not noticed.

          wjc

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        It didn’t work for Mike Keenan in Vancouver though. His act, and Mark Messier’s three years of floating, are not remembered fondly in Vancouver. Especially since it meant Trevor Linden had to be traded.

  31. sweetmad says:

    I wrote my piece on CP then I read what was written in the globe,I should have read that first because I said the same thing.
    GO CARE GO

  32. Marc10 says:

    I would imagine someone has to be interviewing Guy Boucher. For my money he’s still one of the better coaches around. Understands powerplays and the modern game. He’s crazy intense and maybe should tone it down a notch, but I could see him as great fit in NYR or Van or Pitt for that matter. Lord knows the Pens choked epically this year…

    Boucher definitely has a shelf life, but for most teams in a small Cup windown… that should be just fine.

  33. wjc says:

    Last Stanley cup won by a Canadian team:

    Montreal 1993
    Edmonton 1990
    Calgary 1989
    Edmonton 1988
    Edmonton 1987
    Montreal 1986
    Edmonton 1985
    Edmonton 1984
    Montreal 1979
    Montreal 1978
    Montreal 1977
    Montreal 1976
    Montreal 1973
    Montreal 1971

    Since 1970 Stanley cups Toronto…….zero
    Vancouver…zero
    Calgary…….one
    Ottawa……..zero
    Montreal……eight
    Edmonton….five

    Last Canadian team to win Stanley cup ….. Montreal

    In 1971 Montreal played under a different system and there were 14 teams. In 1979 as the last of the players from that era were getting to retirement age and the universal draft was now the way you built a team, there were only 17 teams in the league.

    By 1993 there were 24 teams in the league going after talent that they could draft in numerical order.

    Now there are 30 teams competing for the same players and a salary cap to complicate things even more.
    wjc

  34. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Jacques Martin interviewing in Vancouver? Is Gillis trying to become the worst GM in the league? Move over Feaster…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • habstrinifan says:

      If Gillis hires JM Vanc fans should storm the team’s offices. Why would a GM with a franchise losing its lustre hire the most lustreless coach around.

  35. ed says:

    Here’s my question to the Canucks’ brass as they consider hiring Count Chocula as their next coach:

    Why?

    • wjc says:

      You should be happy they are thinking about hiring Martin, but, instead you afraid he might be successful. Are you cheering for Vancouver now?

      If you wish them to fail, and you think Martin is that bad, you should be praying they hire him. Instead you are dreading being wrong and looking foolish.

      wjc

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I prefer just “the Count”. Anyway, possible reasons to hire the Count:

      1-ah-ah-ah-ah: He takes a lot of notes.
      2-ah-ah-ah-ah: Talks a lot in press conferences.
      3-ah-ah-ah-ah: Plays D-men as forwards.
      4-ah-ah-ah-ah: Juggles lines effectively.
      And:
      5-ah-ah-ah-ah: Will bring in Darche to fix the power play.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • wjc says:

        Notes are always good. Communicates well in press conferences. Uses same stratagy’s as Scotty. Surprise there are no Darche’s in Vancouver.

        You are always, always, always, always, always, always looking to make your team better, woopy do…..big surprise…..of course you are.

        wjc

  36. sweetmad says:

    Rollies comments are unprofessional,how can he know that CP was lazy in practice I am sure nobody told him that,and the rest of the team are always saying how hard he works,so I just think it’s sour grapes.I agreee with the poster who said that a new goalie coach,tries to change the goal keeper instead of working with their strenghts,this is exactly what happens.When CP was in the juniors he seemed to stand or butterfly as the need arose.Carey started this last season a bit off then got back to himself,the day they said he was breaking in a new pair of goalie pads, was when it started to go downhill.CP was then letting in goals that I have never seen him do especially the 5 hole goals, he seemed to have trouble getting down into the butterfly as if it hurt him,I watch every goal and scrutinise the mistake,and there was definitnatly something off in his movement,some of the power plays goals this season were in no way CP’s fault the PK was a mess,instead of leaving a good thing some one tried to mend what wasn’t brocken.
    CP was one of the leaders in wins for most of the season,he didn’t do that alone niether did he lose games alone.
    I think it’s about time some people got off his case,thats why he can’t go and get his groceries,because fans are always telling him how to play the game,that has got to be so annoying.
    GO HABS GO

  37. L Elle says:

    Twi, symbols don’t work for me. What am I doing wrong? lol

  38. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Reporter: Carey, Melanson says you’re lazy.”

    Price: Who?

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Hockey Puck: Carey, I’m floating lazily towards you.

      Price: …

      Hockey Puck: Carey, I’m getting closer.

      Price: …

      Red Light: Carey, I’m flashing.

      Price: What?

    • wjc says:

      Are you suggesting Price has a concussion problem, why would he not remember Rollie the goalie. If he cannot remember who he is, that could explain alot. I jest of course. Bergevin will get the right guy in there and Price’s game will flourish. Obviously Bergevin was aware that Grioux was not effective and had already made a move to correct it a month ago.

      So not to fret, the right guy will come in. Bergevin always knows the right guy, he has a knack for it.

      wjc

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I was making a joke…i.e, whatever Melanson says is completely irrelevant. As for Groulx, MB probably gave him another shot due to the shortened season.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  39. JohnBellyful says:

    It’s official! PK has won the Norris Trophy.
    Hollywood has already come out with a movie!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODu888i14-I

    Seventy-six — Subban! – led the big parade
    Holding high the Norris trophy in his hand
    He was followed by rows and rows of
    the meanest so-and-so’s
    How he won they could not understand.

    Seventy-six – Subban! – proved his critics wrong
    The hundred and ten whose words were most unkind
    There were tens of thousands more who gave out a mighty roar
    Ev’ry time he’d hit with his behind.

    There were bottom feeders on TV, real horse patoots
    Blundering, dundering, all along the way
    Buffoons all around, they were in cahoots,
    The chief cahoot having his fathead say

    There were 20 thousand fans standing in the rink
    Thundering, thundering, louder than before
    Fans of every size, they hoped and prayed he’d improvise
    And end the rush with yet another score.

    Seventy-six – Subban! – winds up at the point
    The whoosh of his stick splits open the air
    Once the blade hits puck, the goalie’s out of luck
    His five-hole is now much bigger there

    Seventy-six – Subban! – was the team MVP
    His superior talent stood out it was clear
    Starting the season late, didn’t stop him from being great
    The voters got it right, he has no peer.

  40. twilighthours says:

    Jacques Martin in Vancouver? The Sedins haven’t dump-and-sit-backed until they Martin-dump-and-sit-back.

  41. frontenac1 says:

    I took the NHL centre ice deal this year for 49 bucks and watched a lot of western games. Saw most of the Hawks games as well as Bruins. I just have no clue who will win the finals. Hoping for Chicago but both teams are playing in top gear. Should be a corker.

  42. Mr. Biter says:

    It would seem wise for MB to sigh PK before next season starts as in my opinion the closer it comes to Free Agency next year it will be harder to sign him, however if not, MB can match any offer PK receives or the Habs will receive compensation (which for a Norris Trophy winner would be substantial.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  43. Sportfan says:

    I know it won’t happen but imagine if Bickell won the Conn Smythe his value would explode! It’s already high as it is.

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  44. punkster says:

    All You Need Is ♥

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  45. twilighthours says:

    I ♥ Subban.

  46. Habcouver says:

    I have just read about Melanson criticizing CP’s play since he (Melanson) was fired as CP’s goalie coach.

    What a joke. Is Rollie just starving attention to bring this up?
    I hope he realizes that CP is his mom’s favorite player.

    Waiting patiently for #25

    • HardHabits says:

      It’s fair criticism.

      • L Elle says:

        Behind closed doors, maybe. But Rollie, has a contract with another organization. Doesn’t seem like the professional way to behave.

        You criticize an ex-pupil and a fellow coach, and then, you basically apply for the job while otherwise employed?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Agreed that it’s very poor media skills on Mr. Melanson’s part. Why he’d comment on another organization’s player, even if he’s coached that player before, is baffling. He’s being retained for now by the Canucks, but that may change when they hire their new head coach. He might be the kind of guy who wants to bring in his own guys, but even if he wasn’t necessarily going to clean house, now that he knows that his goalie coach is a bit of a loose cannon, the kind of guy who shoots his mouth off, he’ll be even more likely to do so.

          How keen will any team be to take him on staff if he can’t keep his own counsel?

      • The Dude says:

        Price needs a head doctor ,Tim Foli too show him what his glove is for,a kick in the ass from Pele’ and a camping trip on Broke>Back Mountain. Less entitlement and more accountability !

  47. frontenac1 says:

    @Hobie. Amen Amigo! I was down in Montreal with my wife ,sipping Sangria on Crescent St.when I heard the news of the Prust signing. Hey, now there’s an idea for this year again. Saludos!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I was in the Market in Ottawa with the woman enjoying a couple dozen drinks myself. We were missing Mexico so were drinking some Corona and Tequila shots if I remember correctly?

  48. habstrinifan says:

    @UCE.
    While I am not as blunt and caustic as Timo I thoroughly understand his disdain for HABS management (not specifically mb) who have pulled the wool over Canadiens’ fans eys for far too long. Look at Molsom’s move re the commemorative bricks that fans paid their money for on the premise that this would be a unique and cherished. And now Molson is going to creat ‘replicas or duplicates’ call them what you wil and is trying to tell us that they will have the same value and meaning to the original owners. Poppycock!

    Now for the specific topic you were discussing.. Subban.

    This is your statement:
    “P.K. will be paid well for his services, and we’ll be glad to pay him. It’ll be a win-win.”

    So I am asking you… if MB plays hardball and uses the same tactics (P.K has still got a lot to learn etc..(he said as much at the year end presser while not expressing one iota of doubt about other players except maybe Price).. if MB goes that route are you willing to amn-p man-up and agree with Timo that P.K should take them to arbitration big time.

    Like Timo I am getting fed up of the self-righteousness of this organization while serving us a lemon season after season.

    In fact if MB waits until the end of thes eason, as some are suggesting just to see if P.K can have a good season. I hope P.K take shim to arbitration and say F.U big time.

    Based on two things: 1) MB promised P.K’s agent to review the contract long before the 2nd yr is up.. and 2 MB has extended so many contracts without ‘waiting to see that the players were for real’.

    I am with TIMO on this one. Screw around with the next contract and I hope P.K gives the team the middle finger big time.

    • JUST ME says:

      I don`t understand why you go through so much pain in coming here and writing about your torture if the Montreal Canadians piss you off so much ? Maybe a few years on another team`s blog would help you see that it is the same everywhere and that altough you did not notice, only one team wins the cup. Sorry for the spoiler.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Your input is duly noted and filed under the the appropriate folder.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        JUSTMe, sorry for butting in here but Trini like Timo often offer a different viewpoint which adds to this site. Rarely do Timo or Trini do this in an insulting or mean spirited way. They are just frustrated Hab fans and wish only the best for the franchise. Perhaps your post was a bit over the top. Again, I apologize for butting in.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          I remember Trini implying that Subban would not sign because of his parents, then it was that Bergevin was going to screw up Subban by his low balling tactics, then it was Therrien who was next in line to stifle Subban’s future. Now Subban seems to be on the verge of winning the Norris and still it’s the same old story with him, “the Habs mgmt are out to screw PK”.

          Anyway, that’s how I feel whenever I read his “between the lines” posts.

          ———————————————————————-
          Ka is a wheel.

          “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
          Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

          For Your Life

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Fair enough.

          • Mark C says:

            I remember the one about Weber getting more ice time than Subban in the first ten minutes of a game. Still haven’t been able to figure out which game what was.

          • habstrinifan says:

            If you go back and read my posts around the Subban contract negotiations and review all the coverage you will find that :
            a) I was among the first who stated categorically that the contract was not going to be done ‘right after the lockout etc’.. and my predictions re the difficulties and the fact that those difficulties did not rest on talent level per se was RIGHT!
            ..that there were underlying or undermining issues. And yes I did state that Subban’s parents had some concern re the ‘support’ from the team. I did not say that Subban wont sign because of his parents.
            I cant see how you can look at the entire episode and say I was wrong. My one sentence post was even highlighted by Stubbs or one of the site’s biggies.

            I have never said Habs are out to screw Subban.. unless you interpret “screw around with the contract as such.. which it isnt.
            And all you have to do is review MB’s response to his one Subban question and compare him with his response to say Gallagher’s season etc.. and you will see that MB is back to expressing what you may see as ‘cautious’ and I see as ‘tepid’ appreciation for Subban.

            I only use the public statements of these individuals to highlight their unspoken meanings. I pay close attention to the phrasing nuance and comparative language of people like MB and MT.

            Frankly sir I do understand the vexing annoyance you endure from my posts. Consider yourself lucky that it still falls short of the sentiment I have for yours.
            Edit: At MARK C.. not only dd it happen but there were running posts on it as it was happening.

          • Mark C says:

            Weber and Subban played in five games together, which of those five was it?

        • JUST ME says:

          I understand all that but still i do not think it is of any use and mostly not positive. I am a Habs fan, probably naive,probably blind but have been since the golden era of the early 70 `s. I think i have enough hockey in me to see that this is not the most glorious era in MTL`s history but with Bergevin `s team there is no reason not to be optimistic. We have the best d-man,great rookies,plenty of draft choices coming up, all new organization ,finished second in the conference and what else ? What else do pêople need to be helpfull and positive instead of negative and downers ? I intend to try to be the positive troll a rare breed unfortunately. Feel free to copy.

    • Mark C says:

      Great we’re already building a narrative based on hypothetical future events to bash management.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      trini, all of my posts are consistent on this point, which is that we need to draft lots and draft well, develop the heck out of our prospects, and then retain our assets. So even on that score, it goes without saying that now that we’re looking forward to P.K.’s third contract, we need to do what’s necessary to keep him in the fold.

      As far as Marc Bergevin playing hardball, I expect him to negotiate with the best interests of the Canadiens in mind. So if P.K. and Don Meehan was willing to sign a sweetheart contract like Max or Lars were, then I’d want our GM to jump on that. Aside from that, I expect both parties to remain professional and protect their interests. I don’t want Marc Bergevin to just give away cap room, but I do want him to lock up P.K.

      I have to say I don’t understand all the angst on this one. I still stand by my earlier posts, those from two seasons ago when I thought P.K. needed to change his behaviours and become a better player, and last summer’s when I thought Marc Bergevin should hold firm and not give away the farm to a player that still needed a lot of development. Tyler Myers has been brought up as a comparative, I didn’t want our team to reward a player immensely just for his potential, like the Sabres did, and get stuck with a monster contract that might not turn out.

      One season later, P.K. has transformed his game, he’s cut down on the indiscipline and the distractions, he performed this year. I’m happy. I think every Canadiens fans should be.

      We should all take P.K. at his word, as well as Don Meehan and Marc Bergevin, that the negotiations for P.K.’s second contract were respectful and professional throughout. This was no Vincent Jackson-A.J. Smith situation, it was kept in-house, with no leaks, we got him signed, they backloaded his contract so he makes way more of his cash in the full season next year, why are so many jumping to P.K.’s defence when it’s not even clear he’s being aggrieved?

      • habstrinifan says:

        I may be biased but I find making Myers some sort of benchmark to use in negotiations with P.K to be misguided. P.K in his time in the league has shown a upward improvement curve (even in the last year of Cunneyworth-JM).. Myers has not. As fas as a draft prospect developing to meet ALL his team’s expectations.. P.K has done that in spades.

  49. The Dude says:

    Our Habs are not even in the same league as the finalist and a complete tear down with a change in philosophy , with youth mixed with size ,tenacity and truculence is the way too go. Keep Prust and make him Captain and trade for big fast prospects.The team will go no where for a couple of years but it will be an interesting team to watch and nurture ,while they beat up all the other teams :) .. and then stir in a lil finesse for a future Cup run!

    • captainclutch19 says:

      That’s ridiculous.

      • The Dude says:

        THE LAST 20 F’n YEARS WERE RIDICULOUS!

      • saskhabfan says:

        Hey man,cut the dud some slack.This is by far the longest the dud has gone without changing his user name. He made a bet and agreed to leave HIO if he lost,which he did lose. But instead of being a man and living by his word,he did what all trolls do and just changed his user name.Speaks volumes of who and what he is as a person.

        • HardHabits says:

          All you do is comment on other posters. That speaks volumes as the type of person you are too, which is petty, contemptible, paltry,and inconsequential.

          • saskhabfan says:

            Let me guess,middle-aged or older,probably looks younger though and a small man. Am I off by much? I’m willing to bet I pretty much hit it out of the park. You don’t like my philosophy that the best way to deal with assholes is to be a bigger one then that’s to f’in bad for you and your small man syndrome isn’t it?

            I find it funny that the trolls who go out of there way to rile the good posters are the ones who cry the most when somebody gives it back to them.

          • RetroMikey says:

            Notice how saskhabfan mentions the “a” word followed by “hole”.
            You buddy are a frosh, a big Italian frosh! You like to criticize other posters and follow me around with comments I have made for the past 3 seasons. Snap out of it!
            Buy the way I’m 100% straight, are you?
            So don’t follow me around on this site!

            “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      You´re just a very sad man.

      • The Dude says:

        YOU DON’T KNOW ME ! Go back too rooting for the Washington Generals ,lol

        • twilighthours says:

          lol!

          • saskhabfan says:

            @The Dud Before this season you were blowing smoke up DD’s ass and now you consider him a bad contract? Make up your mind. Once again,no credibility. Time to change your user name,again.

        • CharlieHodgeFan says:

          Okay, the last 20 years were ridiculous. But your posting (not you) is bizarre. Does that work?

          • The Dude says:

            So Charlie, I appreciate your efforts to be less insulting and As pointed out the last 20 years are ridicules . Look at the big contracts to Markov ,DD,Price, Bullion ,Gionta, Gorges and a Whopper for Subban”Worthy”…. your looking at like $30 million per and for what?And with a Cap hit we’re DONE! Things have got to CHANGE!

          • twilighthours says:

            Dude, you forgot your LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  50. habstrinifan says:

    “Carey hasn’t stopped deteriorating since I left. He’s all over the place now,” Melanson, now the goaltending coach with the Vancouver Canucks, told L’Acadie Nouvelle, a French newspaper in New Brunswick. ”At some point, there has to be some accountability in the school yard. The position requires a lot of work and Carey hasn’t been consistent. He let things slide in practice and it caught up to him during games.”

    Melanson.. the goaltending coach of Vancouver Canucks. Tell me again why he should be commenting on our goalie and Groulx. First he should ask Vanc fans how they felt about both Luongo and Scneider and their up and down season.

  51. Hobie Hansen says:

    Here’s hoping we get another Canada Day gift (Brandon Prust) from Bergevin this year! That was a sweet moment, drinking a pint on the patio, enjoying the holiday, and checking the tweets to find out that Prust had become a Hab.

    It was a signal that Bergevin was on the road back to making the Centre Bell a tougher place to play than a pee-wee arena, like it was when he took over.

    The Habs might be up to Junior level after Prust’s arrival.

  52. Bripro says:

    There’s one area where MB might be kicking himself.
    True that the Habs like to hold to the tradition of an initial 2-year deal to RFAs, but I think the Subban one is going to come back and bite the team where it hurts, in the pocket book.
    I had to confess that, at the time, I thought inking him to a low-cost 2-year deal was a brilliant move.
    Given the year PK has produced, he was already looking at a big raise with the early talk of Norris.
    Now? The stratosphere. He’ll be commanding top dollar.
    I hope MB can pull another rabbit out of his hat, or PK might become trade bait.
    By the way, I’m coming in late, so if any (or all) of this was previously discussed (no time to look), then I apologize.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Are you suggesting P.K be traded? Again?

    • rhino514 says:

      Yes, it´s true MB could have signed Subban long term for maybe five and change a year. Now, as a Norris Trophy winner, he will command probably upwards of seven million per year.
      One could argue that subban may not have pushed himself to perform the way he did had the habs signed him to a comfy deal, and i think there is some merit to that argument.
      I think, overall, that MB has done far more good than bad. The Desharnais deal, I question as well, but one more year of DD at centre and Chucky on the wing is no big deal. It may smart a bit beyond that.
      If MB can make just one good off-season move, either a big Dman if Emelin´s complete recovery is in doubt, or a big winger, the team is going to be pretty good in the short term
      Anybody know what Nygren´s and dietz´s projections are as Dmen? Any chance Nygren plays in the NHL next year?

    • Whatever says:

      PK had the incentive to play well for a big contract. He played well and hopefully will next season. It’s called earning the big contract. He hadn’t yet until this season. See Tyler Myers.

      Also, he’ll be more mature and experienced when he does get his big money. Will serve him well when things don’t go his way with the burden of a huge cap hit.

      Bergevin played it right. Everybody wins. Even Molson.

      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        The coming big money is a shame, just because no one deserves that. But I think it was well handled. The season before last, PK was a one man team, even when there were five other guys on the ice.
        This year, he became a team player again (he had been one before, but seemed to take the JM shambles as his to cure, making it worse). Being a team player may have gotten him a Norris. Good for him.

        This was a season in which a young player was trained. The thoroughbred pooped his stall, but PK learned to run. That was a delight to watch, and I hope we’ll keep enjoying it for years.

    • formerly known as the hc says:

      I would rather see the Habs pay more for someone who has ‘earned’ the big pay cheque than sign someone to a slightly smaller, yet large, pay cheque solely on promise and what might happen. Pay $7mil to a norris winner, or $5.5-6 mil to a guy who has the potential. I think PK learned more from this (I hope so) and will pay off for the habs going forward.

  53. savethepuck says:

    I am sure today was the Beaulieu’s court date. I am guessing it was possibly just the typical “not guilty” pleas, but I’d like to get some actual news on this instead of just speculation and rumors.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  54. akatso says:

    Put price in front of Boston’s defence, and he is a superstar. Goalies are just as good as their defence is. Price more often then not stops the first shot, you can not expect him to make the diving save game I game out on the rebound. Which leads to toughness. The only reason Ottawa toyed with us is because of one thing: we could not stop their forwards from hanging out in front of our net. The proof is: check the goal scorers, and check what those goal scorers did the next round.. nothing) In the end, the Habs need DEFENCE!! Then you will see how Carey Price is as a goaltender. Same way, we were suppose to give Saku, a winger or two to play with.. didn’t happen..

    • Habilis says:

      Couldn’t agree with you more. All this talk about Tukka Rask being the next great goalie just makes me chuckle. Put him behind our D and let’s see how much of a stud he is.

      How soon people forget that two years ago, Tim Thomas also looked like the best goalie in the NHL behind Chara and co.

      Man I can’t wait until that Sasquatch retires.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Agree about Rask and the Canadiens defence.

        I must admit that I also check Chara’s age every few weeks and wish that he’d start declining at a quicker pace. By the way he’s playing now, he’s probably a number one guy for two more seasons and a 2nd paring guy for a couple seasons after that.

      • GrosBill says:

        I agree to an extent. It is obvious that the B’s D and system is a HUGE part of it. But I do not want to take all the credit away from Rask, or Thomas for that matter. Both played well in their respective runs with the B’s (as much as it pains me to admit it).

      • kalevine says:

        he wouldn’t be stud but he’d be making a lot more saves and allowing a lot fewer rebounds than price did, and that alone could have advanced the team to the second round…but more likely would have just added a game or two to the opening round against Ottawa

    • kalevine says:

      I dunno, I saw a lot of saves made by Rask that Price was not making much in the last few weeks. He certainly would not have allowed only 2 goals in almost 14 periods. His rebound control is poor compared to rask, but he would be assisted by the bruins much better ability to clear the rebounds . And Carey seems so small in the net, whereas Rask looks so large whenever the opponent is attacking.

  55. habsfan0 says:

    It’s interesting that Roland Melanson maintains that Carey Price has declined since he(Melanson)departed the Habs 4 years ago.

    While that may or may not be true,one can also argue that Roberto Luongo has also declined since Melanson’s arrival with the Canucks.

    • bwoar says:

      Rollie was (is) a big proponent of playing deeper in the net – that was his first instruction to Luongo (who, it should be said, supported that entirely.)

      Given that Price really needs to stay standing and challenge more, not sure Rollie would have the answer today in Montreal, either.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Mr. Biter says:

        CP’s problems started this year after he started playing deeper in the net. In the beginning of the season he was playing further out , then slowly he began going deeper into the net.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

    • Habilis says:

      Good point. You could even argue that Schneider’s play has dropped off as well.

      The fact that Melanson feels the need to pump his own tires by slamming a former pupil says volumes about him as a coach, IMHO.

  56. joeybarrie says:

    Now on to the GM.
    To those who think MB isn’t a good choice for GM of the year:
    Hired a coach and staff.
    Drafted Chuckie. Drafted Collberg
    Ryder for Cole.
    FA Prust, Bouillion and Armstrong.
    Picked up Halpern.
    Signed PK Subban to a great contract for us and could have been the catalyst for his Norris winning season.
    Managed to sign Kristo so we wouldn’t lose him to FA.
    26 contracts signed in his first year
    Bought out Gomez

    Now when a team goes from last place to 2nd in one season and a new GM comes in hires a new coach and staff and has his finger prints on a lot…. How can one say he shouldn’t be a candidate?

    Who has done a better job?

  57. Steven says:

    As per our friend Renaud, Martin being interviewed for the Vancouver job.

    It’s been far too long since I’ve seen that beautiful notebook of his.


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