Subban sits, Habs lineup unchanged

PREGAME AUDIO: Jacques Martin

Canadiens coach Jacques Martin says he’ll use the same lineup tonight against the Ottawa Senators that he’s used the past two victories over New Jersey and San Jose. That means defenceman P.K. Subban will be a healthy scratch for the third consecutive game.

Martin said he’s certain that Subban has good confidence and that the coach has a healthy competition going for ice time.

He added that he has enough to worry about with tonight’s game to concern himself with what’s going to happen in the future as it regards Subban’s eventual reinsertion in the lineup.


  1. bwoar says:

    Damn, rocket.  I must’ve been away!  When did you get so sensible?  Good post dude, some “get” it, others just want to complain.  We could be on a 10 game win streak and if Subban wasn’t playing they’d be up in arms over the coach.  Overnight he seems to have gone from intelligent to bumbler.

    Honestly it’s like sharing a chat room with 10,000 Don Cherrys who don’t even watch hockey.

    This is the problem when people live and watch only the Habs and are not hockey fans.  Most of the complainers here couldn’t even name all the clubs in the league.  Many think it’s still 1980, which leads me to believe there’s a ton of Winnipegers here.  Having lived in both places I can’t decide which town cries the most often over the least worry.  On the plus side, both cities are a cut above the rest of the country in the beauty of their women. But that’s off topic.

  2. SLONCOLD says:

    Pk hat trick,

    – goal

    – 20 minutes of play with trash talk

    – a failed pinch

    then benched

  3. DearyLeary says:

    I never implied that Weber is more stable than PK, simply that Weber has proven himself a capable defenceman.  

  4. Habhopeful says:

    but what if we lose and weber is minus 2, picard is minus 2, Spacek is minus 2, hamrlik is minus 2 etc…..As I always say, if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle…he will find someone to scratch and put PK in, he does it all the time, JM does not mess with a winning lineup (unless an injury or something to that effect)


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  5. KenD29 says:

    Yes. Mount Royal would be a bunny hill in comparison to any mountains out west


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  6. Bugs says:

    Oooo, good one, Avi.

    I would say yes, he still does return and whoever played better, Picard or Weber, would stay, regardless of their output in tonight’s game.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  7. SLONCOLD says:

    why would you anything?Pk has a ton to learn and the best way to learn is from sitting in the pressbox and running EA NHL 2011 simulations.

  8. larisalapointe says:

    Dawg, no one on our team except Carey Price and PK are potential superstars at this moment. The vets are what they are. PK will win a Norris one day, and thank his coach JM for putting him on the right track. It takes a lot of backbone to go against us the fans, is what I meant even though it makes our team even greater in the long run. In other words, I trust the organization.

  9. SLONCOLD says:

    i find it funny how when Richards complained about PK everyone was like PK is a elite player and can do no wrong. those same people are now saying Pk has to be taught a lesson for his mistakes and that he’s not one of our top defence men…

    i personally think we are a better team with him in the lineup. the fact that we have won 2 games without him in the lineup doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be in…

    and what is this dumb talk i hear about bringing kovalev back? wow

  10. soperman says:

    I can buy into that.  Though I am still having a difficult time waiting for PK.

  11. Bar says:

    As a fan I’d rather watch PK Subban than Picard or Webber.

  12. Storm Man says:

    When is the new movie coming out?

  13. rocketsglare says:

    If JM believes that his current lineup gives him the best chance to win, then so be it. The team has won

    2 in a row and Picard and Weber have been solid on D. What more is there to say.

    P.K. will certainly get his chance, but until then he is going to have to wait until JM deems him ready to

    play again. No doubt that this time P.K. will be well versed to JM’s philosophy of team discipline, struct-

    ure, and accountability.


    Go Habs Go!

  14. ctony says:

    You’re last point scared the hell out of me.  I PK to end up on a recurring benching list. It’s hard to learn if you don’t play (here or the AHL) and can make risk-takers tentative, which would be the ultimate waste of his skills.

  15. bwoar says:

    Yell louder, I think they heard you!  You’re a genius. You know that, right?

  16. Bar says:’ll go the other way, making him SO timid knowing that one mistake and he’ll be eating hot dogs in the pressbox. Rookies are supposed to make mistakes and learn from them, what JM is doing is going hurt PK in the long run.

  17. avatar_58 says:

    What if we lose, but Weber scores a goal and Picard is a +2? Then what? One of them gets scratched?

  18. Storm Man says:

    In Montreal?

  19. SLONCOLD says:

    well looks like we’re back to win and you’re in lol just with defensemen this year

  20. KenD29 says:

    Not to mention the hefty price tag on the suds!


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  21. Habhopeful says:

    Check out my pic, It says alot about the way I feel about PK, He is amazing! but everyone here who is sulking because he is not playing, or being inserted into a current winning lineup, should be ashamed, PK is ashamed for you, the guy doesnt sulk, nor can his confidence be broken, he understands what is happening right now, JM had a private meeting with PK yesterday and judging by PK’s teammates and PK himself, he is not being worked up about this as some of the “children” around here are, we arent going to win all the rest of the regular season games, & I can bet you $100, as soon as we lose, PK is back in the lineup and he will be better than ever…


    so suck it up!


    hot damn!


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  22. Bar says:

    Agreed. Sit Gomez, then I can  say this organization has a backbone. What this organziation has is a two-tiered system of accountability, vets and rooks.  You can guess which way they lean for each.

  23. VintageFan says:

    From 25 minutes per game to 3 games in the press box?  That’s like teaching a kid to swim by throwing him into the Arctic Ocean. 

  24. avatar_58 says:

    If that happens any and all respect I had for Martin (earned by getting to the ECF) will be gone.

  25. KenD29 says:

    We’ll be tearing it up here on Mont Royal after the 25cms we are receiving now !


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  26. Jordio-oh says:

    haha, i knew you were going to post that ” how do you know its the same people” message, even before i saw that you posted it.

    With that said, i agree with you calling it out. Helps limit the rampant generalizations that have become so prevalent of late.

  27. Storm Man says:

    Nakiska always has some rough patches….. Fernie must talk with the snow gods always a ton of snow, I think over 250 cm to date and had over 40 cm the past week.

  28. J_P says:

    JM is walking that fine line of “just making a point” and “we’re a better team without you”.  If we win again tonight, and PK sits again next game, well than, the message is loud and clear from JM that “we are a better team without you”.  Considering how good PK’s attitude has been through all this, I think it’s a real shame that he’s not being given a chance to redeem himself. 

    Do people here really think that if PK wasnt benched, and played against Jersey and the Sharks that we dont win either of those games? Because right now, that is pretty much the message JM is sending. 

  29. nfldanchor says:

    The fans demand that PK get reinserted into the lineup. We pay the salaries by attending and watching Habs games . Another idiot at the helm will only hurt the confidence of one of the best players we drafted in years. Martin your an idiot!

  30. Bugs says:

    Unless Picard or Weber play like sh*te, yes, Soobie sits again if we win tonight

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  31. Storm Man says:

    Yes you should Fernie gets a ton of fresh snow. I was trying out my new Rossignol Agnus board:) Now that im used to it I will be tearing it up this coming weekend:).

  32. Say Ash says:

    PK has become the Senators’ latest fan.

  33. J_P says:

    I was supportive of Martin’s initial benching of PK 2 games ago.  However, when you set out to make a point, you have to give the player a chance to redeem himself.  Im glad we are winning, but by sitting PK again, JM is basically telling PK that we are a better team without him, and that is the wrong message to send.  If we go on a 10 game win streak, does PK really sit every single game just because JM doesn’t want to mess with a winning line-up? That would be absolutely ridiculous.  If PK comes back and makes the same mistakes again, than by all means, you can sit him a few more games, but not giving him a chance for redemption just isn’t right in my opinion. 


  34. VintageFan says:

    If it was a question of strategy and resting players, the older guys would rest against a bottom third team like Ottawa.  And exactly what lesson is he learning? – don’t take chances? don’t talk to the press?  don’t make a mistake?  don’t be a rookie?

  35. Timo says:

    How’s the snow? A buddy of mine said Sunshine and Nakiska still have a few rough patches. I can’t imagine given the amount of snow, but he is a pro so I figure he’d know.

  36. shiram says:

    You dont make sense, there is no reason for JM to want to break PK or his confidence. If anything it will give PK a boost next time he plays, knowing his spot on the team isnt a done deal.

    He might be exciting, but he still has alot to learn, and he also needs to play into JM’s system.

  37. larisalapointe says:

    I am glad the organization of our team has backbone. They don’t make decisions to be popular based on emotion, but what is best for the team. PK will be great one day but in the meanwhile he needs to be groomed. It’s illogical to say he was benched for a couple of mistakes in one game. They have probably been talking to him for a while but he hasn’t been listening…benching was probably the last resort. I love the kid but lately it’s his persona I’m liking but not his playing so much. Hasn’t anyone noticed the difference between his first 10 games and his last ten games?

  38. punkster says:

    Nice. Only done Louise out west. (hmmm, that sounds kinda…?). Gotta ski Fernie some time.

  39. matmacat says:

    my head is spinning from all the bring PK back comments! We’re not the islanders or the oilers where we need to play all our prospects because we have no other options. Thus far, we’re a pretty friggin’ solid team. Let it be and enjoy the ride. Talk about how we haven’t played Detroit yet or the reignited Penguins lead by the 2nd coming of Christ on skates, and how we might fare against those powerhouses.

  40. VintageFan says:

    Look at Martin’s history.  There are two kinds of people and players that he does not tolerate well – flamboyant and young.  How many rookies has he developed OR kept with the teams he has had?  How is Cammalleri doing this year?  He has clearly been demoted to Gomez’ line to give precedence to JM’s choice of captain.  Unfortunately PK Subban has both of the traits that Martin dislikes.  Unless he tones it down and ages in a hurry, not only will he have fallen out of contention for Rookie of the Year, he just may end up in Hamilton.

  41. Storm Man says:

    Yes it is and it was in Fernie BC.

  42. punkster says:

    Was gonna say “talking to SmartDog” instead of Tony242 but pulled back at the last moment. Can’t do that. Wouldn’t be prudent.

  43. LTHF says:

    Guess martin is trying to break  Subban”s confidence same as  he as done to several other young players. Sit out one of the most exciting players to watch  game in and game out–  dont make sense. Then what does?

  44. WindsorHab-10 says:

    JM is playing with fire. I don’t know what he’s trying to accomplish. So they win tonight, does that mean he sits out again? The kid has learned his lesson & JM is pushing his luck. The game against the Sharks had more to do with Price winning it than the team.

  45. Bugs says:

    Pff…kill his mentality…c’mon, Zac. Zac? C’mon. A player is a player. His mentality is his own. I don’t see Alfie’s mentality having suffered or Heatley’s mentality having suffered or Chara’s mentality having suffered from Jack Marty’s tutelage. Nor did Lalime improve since leaving his tutelage for that matter. Soobie is Soobie and will remain Soobie.

    Nevermind what Picard is “supposed to be” and rejoice and what he IS. That is, the best + player on the club while not scoring. Which means: an excellent defenceman. Can’t take’m out.

    Can’t take Weber out.

    Aaaand we’re winning.

    According to the “Hockey Gods Big Book of Rules”, Soobie must continue to sit. What can you do? Not makin anything up over here; that’s the way it works.

    You know this, Zac. Accept it and put it behind you. Wait til we lose. Then he’ll be back. End’o’story. No big thing.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  46. punkster says:

    Is that you in the pic? What hill?

  47. avatar_58 says:

    To be quite honest I’d rather lose a few to prove Martin is wrong NOW than lose later because Subban’s spark is shot to hell. So in a way I agree.

  48. Propwash says:

    Wow eh, talk about flying off the handle. Look, the saying “don’t fix what ain’t broken” applies here. PK will be fine. Who knows, maybe he got hurt and is given time off.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  49. Storm Man says:

    Lord Martin is the law(my way or the highway young PK). I see some talk on here about getting Iginla from Calgary still. Whatever stuff you are on please no more just say no, Iginla is not coming to Montreal now what would it take to bring Rene Bourque here? He has a great cap hit:) would Calgary take Pacioretty or do we put PK as bait to see if that would work?. 

  50. matmacat says:

    I sure hope PK is not that selfish. He knows he’ll play eventually. It’s his 1st NHL season. Why sit Picard now? For playing a VERY solid D game? That’s no message to send. PK lost his spot, and until the lineup on D falters, there’s no need to put him back in. It’s not the Montreal ‘PK Subban’s’.

  51. habsfansince91 says:

    isn’t the point of playing the game to try to win every night?

  52. avatar_58 says:

    Am I missing something here? I’ve not seen one iota of arrogance or “PLAY ME” attitude from Subban. Even before the year started he was humble – suggesting he had to earn his spot in camp. What is with this sudden “He needs to learn his place” garbage that the media and certain fans are spreading? What exactly did he say or do?

    The more I read the more I realize Pacioretty is DONE here. There’s no way someone with that mouth is on the team. White also has a bit of a sparky attitude, better trade him too. I guess Cammalleri and Eller better keep their emotion in check too, Martin frowns upon passion.

  53. davelecave says:

    It’s a long season, and Subban is the type of high-energy, high-risk player that will burn himself out or get injured LONG before April if he plays every game. Don’t know about you guys, but I’m hoping the Habs play at least an extra 16 games this year.


    Giving other guys like Weber and Picard some ice time is a GOOD thing, it shows that we have options should an injury happen, and this gives those guys a little more experience.  It also adds a bit of a competition, which will just drive up the level of play from these young D-men.  Weber is working on his shortcomings and is obviously improving.  As for Picard, he reminds me a bit of a younger Josh Gorges: nothing flashy, but gets the job done more often than not.


    This is a good problem to have.

  54. habstrinifan says:

    If there is no communication between P.K and JM then this is troubling. If Martin has spoken to the player etc etc.. then while I see this as unwise coaching.. and bad juggling of ‘xtra bodies’ I am a little appeased. As LONG as there is and has been COMMUNICATION.

    While on the subject, How despicable is Cherry. A 70 plus old man making his fame off the back of a rookie who has been benched. There is no disguising the fact. Cherry has a personal dislike of P.K which borders on hate.

    And is there some sort ot ‘jealousy’ within the habs rank or maybe some unpleasant re the way Subban is viewed by his teammates. Is there a process of ostracization subtly emerging.

    This has been one of the most difficult things I have had to think abot as a habs fan lately. I keep my fingers crossed and hope that the promise of this ‘exciting’ player a la the habs I have longed for is not diminished.

     On to the game!




  55. boris420 says:

    How can you say Weber is more stable and then go on to say that PK’s developement is furthur along. Kind of contradictory.


  56. avatar_58 says:

    Excuse me? I was understanding him until he said he has enough to worry about TONIGHT than to worry about the future and reinserting Subban. That says it all doesn’t it? Who cares about the future, so long as Martin gets his win tonight?

  57. SmartDog says:

    Hey!  Closest to my own answers!

    Whoda thunk it!


  58. notbigbird says:

    Said a bit tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth or shoe-on-the-wrong-foot or … :)

  59. zacshot13 says:

    I just think that JM is gonna kill PK’s mentality. Im also afraid that we are gonna mess up his development. I still think that they should play Weber instead of Picard and Subban instead of Marky. Picard is supposed to be a two-way-defencemen.

    They should pair Subban with Hammer. It worked out well in the playoffs.

  60. shiram says:

    Picard is a defensive Dman and Subban is an offensive D-man, you can’t really just switch em out.

  61. Bugs says:

    1. Nope.

    2. Well, let’s not go crazy.

    3. If we wanna go the distance, yes.

    4. Sadly, no. But it COULD be a big deal, and that’s good enough for me!

    5. No, cuz we’re winning, so he must be doin somethin right.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  62. shiram says:

    Hoping for a loss?? Really? Is any one player bigger than the team?

    No really, JM is sticking with his winning team formation, he is giving time to a rookie defenceman, in prevision of next year and he is winning games for his team.

    PK will be fine, and he will play again, this is first real season at the NHL level, and the rest will hopefully make him want to play even better next time he comes on the ice. He can start by not overdoing his slapper for one thing…

  63. Bugs says:

    You DO realize that’s loser-talk, right, Nottie? Good intentions or not, that’s loser-talk.

    Unacceptable, mate.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  64. punkster says:

    LOL Rob…timely, my friend:

    1. No big deal. Weber and Picard get quality time they need.

    2. No big deal for now. His time will come on later this week and again on the road. That’s a backup’s role.

    3. Hmmm, well this is kind of a big deal. One of our weakest areas is scroring. A second line would be real nice, either by lighting a fire under certain people or getting a hired gun by the deadline.

    4. No. Let me explain. NO. Let me further describe how I really feel. No!

    5. He could do worse. He could be talking to Tony242.

  65. Bugs says:

    Picard isn’t JUST “a + player”; he’s the BEST “+ player” on the team. And SINCE he doesn’t score, Zac, that means he’s an EXCELLENT defender, doesn’t it? No reason to take him off. No reason.

    And we’re winning.

    Soobie sits and that’s it. What can you do?

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  66. zacshot13 says:

    One thing I can tell you regarding your 4th question is that Kovy is available but I dont know if the Sens would trade with us considering we are a rival in the division. For us to be able to get him, we would have to give a really nice package. Like Pouliot, Maxwell and someone else maybe and a pick. I dont know what exactly the offer would be though. It would be great to see him back on that line with Plecks and AK46.

  67. DearyLeary says:

    Ironic that he is a special player who has asked for no special treatment.  I want him in the lineup because as stable as Weber is, PK is still better.  Weber will play a regular shift next year, but PK’s development is further along than Weber’s, so I really don’t understand the rationale of sitting PK three games in a row.

  68. mark_13 says:

    Good news, this is a non story anyway, Subban will be back in and likely scratched again at some point too.  Habs win 3-1, Cammalleri with 2 goals and Weber on the PP keeping Subban out for another one!

  69. habsfansince91 says:

    why is it bullshit if weber is playing well. This isn’t a popluarity contest where you play people because of hype. You play people because of the way they play on the ice. PK had a bad game so JM benched him and now the habs havent lost yet. Why change a winning lineup?

  70. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. That can only determined by the game and the scoresheet.

    2. Yes, Price will need a few nights off before the playoffs so he can be ready for it.

    3. Long-term, it needs to be addressed, a piece should be picked up at the deadline provided the Habs are on the pace they are on now more or less.

    4. No, we don’t need him.

    5. As long as the games are won, it’s safe to say he knows what he’s doing.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  71. habaddict_andy says:

    This franchise do not roll red carpet or concentrate on one player especially rookies. This team is about winning, and about teamsmenship. Those who are freaking out about PK not playing wants him to be treated special.

  72. zacshot13 says:

    I think 2 games for Subban is really enough. Like what P.J Stock said on Hockey Night In Canada, P.K has the want to win and it is not seen in many defencemen around the league. I think, ok he made a few mistakes here and there in the Edmonton game, but the reason for that is because some people put him in the situation. Like Cammalleri gave him that pass in OT (which was supposed to be a tripping penalty). But come on, I think P.K is a great asset for us. WHY is PICARD playing and not a scratch? Even though he’s a +player, he really does not use his body to his capacity and sucks on the PowerPlay.

  73. notbigbird says:

    Just when I was starting to like JM, he reverts to … being JM.

    Do we actually have to start hoping for a loss?

    While I’m not overly concerned yet, I’m approaching that point.

    This just isn’t any rookie, folks.

  74. Timo says:

    1. It is… it’s bullshit that PK sits while Weber plays

    2. Nope.

    3. Which line is Gomez on again?

    4. Nope

    5. He talks to the spirit of awesomeness of MAB.

  75. SmartDog says:


    Is it really a big dea whetherl

    1. …PK plays or sits tonight?

    2. …Auld ever plays again?

    3. …we have scoring from the 2nd line, or any line in particular as long as we have scoring?

    4. …Kovalev is available or not?

    5. ….Martin talks to the spirit of Terry Sawchuck to decide his forward lines?



  76. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sarcasm Detector going off, unless you’re actually happy that the coward who leads the Bullies and an senile xenophobe are going to be given more ammunition the next time they open their yaps to talk about how they’re right?


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  77. SmartDog says:

    That’ll learn ya PK!   Who do you think you are with only 9 points, 69 shots on goal, +5 playing 20 minutes night after night…  Upstart!

    I for one am happy that Mike Richards will be happy.  And Don Cherry too. 


  78. TommyB says:

    I’m the first one to say hockey is a simple game.  It is.  However, during the 60 minute execution of that simple game there are many factors, many intangibles, strategies, etc. that come into play.  This same philosophy, or outlook, can apply when grooming a highly talented young star on the rise.

    Your statement points in the direction that, hey with this guy’s stats, the coach should roll out the red carpet for him.  Strictly my opinion, but I don’t think that is a wise way to handle the next brightest star to have put on a Habs sweater in a long, long time.

  79. joeybarrie says:

    I imagine ALOT of the posters here ar going to be calling for JM to be fired now… This is gonna be fun.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  80. RiverviewCanadien says:


    What a shitstorm this is going to cause.

  81. Corio says:

    We are winning games, it’s not a popularity contest. As long as we keep winning all is fine in Habland..

  82. shiram says:

    While i like PK a lot, I am also very glad to see another rookie D-man getting his shot. With alot of our D-man being UFA or RFA next year, you have to allow time for the rookies to prove themselves and watch them compete at the NHL level.

    I think the overreaction about Pk is that in him many people see a future star player, something which we dont have right now, and its missing from the team, we have great players, but no real star player.

    Hopefully Pk can devellop into one, but he isnt there yet.

  83. Hammer says:

    In the game that PK ” screwed up”, I also noticed many others making mistakes. This sounds a bit like Spezza 2. If he is going to sit game after game, maybe he should head back to the farm. If it is just to bring him back to earth, has this not been accomplished? Kind of reminds me of Dad taking away the keys to the car.

  84. joeybarrie says:

    In all honesty when a Defenceman is doing well, the team is winning the games, and he is getting points, HOW CAN YOU SIT HIM????

    Spacek, Gorges, and Hamr have paid their dues, and you cannot sit these guys for no reason. They know how to play JM’s game, and he likes that. Sitting Vets for no reason makes no sense to me. Picard is playing just fine.

    To me there is no reason to change a winning lineup. It’s not about punishment, its about making sure guys who are doing the right things keep doing them. If you sit them just to give your star rookie some time on the ice, you are doing it for the wrong reason. Its a long season and there is nothing wrong with PK sitting for a few games. As soon as JM sees something he doesn’t like, PK will be in, and he is RARING to go.

    It hekps keep PK’s head grounded and keeps him hungry. IT SUCKS, don’t get me wrong. I would prefer him in the lineup, but not the end of the world. ONLY makes us better when he is back.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  85. KenD29 says:

    Just curious. Are you in favor of sitting Hamr and Spacek at some point during the regular season so they have some rest before the playoffs when the team will really need their experience and leadership?


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  86. rocketsglare says:

    You would think that JM had sat Larry Robinson by the way some are responding to P.K. ridding the pine.

    Go Habs Go!


  87. notbigbird says:

    I sure he would if he could. You see, I once saw Bird make a mistake.

  88. Timo says:

    Aaah, JM. One of my favorite coaches of all. The thought, the foresight, the system, the strategy are just oozing out of every unemotional pore. The best coach Habs will ever have. I bow to thy wisdom.

  89. SmartDog says:

    It doesn’t make sense but yet it seems to work.  Maybe he’s a savant.


  90. punkster says:

    And we all know how terrible that turned out.

  91. N.B.habs fan says:

    JM didn’t try to ruin Price,he just made him better.Can’t you see the results this year.

  92. soperman says:

    You are pretty funny for a dog with big glasses.

  93. SmartDog says:

    1995 – 2009

    ….Man, when will we have a team with some freakin’ depth!!


    ….Man, having depth SUCKS. Why can’t we dress 25 guys?

    Play Subie AND Weber for Chryin’ sakes!


  94. punkster says:

    Guys. We’re posting on a blog. This is as close as we’ll ever get to caoching a pro hockey team. I wonder why that is?

  95. Storm Man says:

    You should win a new car for that post punkster. How true it is.

  96. Danno says:

    Judging by the reaction here today some would say an idiot savant

    —  without the savant part…


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  97. SmartDog says:

    I can’t act.

    But I still know when a movie stinks.


  98. shiram says:

    Yea but what do they know??  JM is doing great and leading his team to the fifth spot on the Nhl standings.


  99. twocents says:

    But this movie doesn’t stink, It’s a division leading, top five in the league movie.

    JM’s not an actor, the players are the performers. He’s the director.

    To follow your analogy it would be like saying this movie is great, but the director sucks. How credible is that?


  100. rocketsglare says:

    Naw. I don’t think JM has the stones to sit Larry. Maybe his brother, Moe.

    Go Habs Go!

  101. twocents says:

    Larry was sat during his rookie season too.

  102. ctony says:

    JM didn’t bench PK for a single play or even a collection of
    questionable plays, he has so much as said so. 
    I think JM began to see some of the same things that provoked Cherry’s
    rants and Richard’s outbursts.

    Just to be clear. I like PK – a lot.  I don’t think he should have been taken out
    of the lineup.  I also believe that he
    will continue to sit until we lose, someone gets hurt, or JM wants to send a different
    player a message. 

    However, for all Cherry’s garbage, he’s a career .600 coach
    (even including the stint with the Rockies) and Richards despite being the
    Captain of the Thugs is a respected and tenured veteran.  In their own ways, maybe they all saw
    something that needed to be pointed out or fixed.



  103. SeriousFan09 says:

    JM doesn’t have to give a full list of reasons for why Subban is benched, it could be a culmination of things but it’s no coincidence PK’s mistakes led to a blown game against the Oilers that had him benched. If he feels like misdirecting the media since he knows half of them have a hatchet ready over the next lost game anyway when he gives his explanation as well… We don’t now, or likely ever know all the reasons or the true reason behind the benching.

    He’s still got rose-coloured glasses towards the Leafs, Kadri can be a cocky little brat all he likes and that’s okay with Don but since Subban in MTL is doing it, it’s terrible and Dan Chorra hasn’t coached since before Chelios was in the NHL. If JM can be accused of being a dinosaur as a current NHL coach, I would submit that Chorra can be catalogued as a single-cell organism in complexity and relevance.

    Richards is not respected for his character, only his talent. Much like I begrudingly grant Crosby is the best player in the world right now, I don’t like his character. You think NHL players enjoy seeing Richards putting his elbow into every hit he throws at them?


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  104. ctony says:

    said, “I think that when you look at last year between Price and Halak, I
    think that there was a lot of maturity,
    a lot of growing and a lot of understanding…” 

    of them are dancing around the same theme, PK’s maturity. We don’t have to like
    or respect Cherry or Richards, but we should note when they are trying in their
    inarticulate ways to make the same point as OUR coach and management.


  105. longtimehabsfan says:

    Amen. Same goes for the forwards. Eller is quickly becoming the number 2 center.

  106. mbplekfan says:

    PK forgot that he isnt a team leader in the NHL. He forgot that he isnt as good as he thinks. He forgot to use his teammates.

    A few games upstairs will help him remember.

  107. dasbooth says:

    Anyone really believe this will ruin his confidence? Give PK a little more credit then that. The fact is he has been making mistakes, probably more than we are aware of. Time off gives the coaching staff an opportunity to help him focus on making improvments. When he comes beack he will be motivated to keep his spot with hopefully an adjusted approach that sees him fix those little mistakes. If you look at the interviews he is fine with what is happening and the team supports him, all other opinions and thoughts are coming from the media and the fans.

  108. dasbooth says:

    Anyone really believe this will ruin his confidence? Give PK a little more credit then that. The fact is he has been making mistakes, probably more than we are aware of. Time off gives the coaching staff an opportunity to help him focus on making improvments. When he comes beack he will be motivated to keep his spot with hopefully an adjusted approach that sees him fix those little mistakes. If you look at the interviews he is fine with what is happening and the team supports him, all other opinions and thoughts are coming from the media and the fans.

  109. Ferg says:

    Doug MacLean and Louis Jean were talking about the Habs on Toronto radio today. Jean is very concerned that PK’s confidence is being damaged by these benchings. I say if PK has any humility in him, and I hope he does, he is accepting of this and it will make him a better player. Feelings be damned.

    On another note, does anyone remember how we were touting Komisarek as our next captain a few years ago? He played 9 minutes last night against Washington and all the radio reports have him going to the press box when Phaneuf comes back. Oh how the mighty have fallen. 

  110. Pieboy says:

    …or maybe PK just made a few rookie mistakes.

  111. rocketsglare says:

    There’s no question that P.K. has enormous skill and talent, but he lacks structure and discipline in his game.

    JM will see to P.K. developing into a solid, sound D-man, who will play within a team concept. In the end, P.K.

    will be a better team player for it.


    Go Habs Go!

  112. jrshabs1 says:

     Let’s not read too much into this. P.K. is being sent a message from the organization. JM must have PG’s approval so it’s not a JM- P.K. thing.  I bet the fire is burning brightly in P.K.’s guts so the next time he hits the ice lookout. The team is winning so who cares who’s playing and who’s not. There was some truth in oldman Cherry’s rants and the Canadiens as an organization have taken steps to rein in P.K. 

     A little inside info from King Dave and the other HIO staff would be great.



    Go Habs Go!!

  113. sims says:

    this really isnt about PK…its about weber playin great.  Depth on the blueline is a problem this team (and any) welcomes

  114. J_P says:

    Pk is a great natural talent.  To help him work on making less defensive errors in one thing, to change him to fit the habs system a totally different thing.  He’s the most exciting player on this otherwise extremely boring hockey team, a tremendous talent, and this organizations best chance of developing a player who can legitimately replace Andrei Markov.  If he continues making the same mistakes, than a prolonged benching while the team is winning is appropriate, but right now, the only message I see JM sending PK is “we are a winning team without you”.  Which is just plain wrong, and a smack in the face considering he’s been one of our best defensemen all season long. I was fully supportive of the original benching, by the way, I just think the 3 games is absolutely ridiculous.  He needs to be shown some confidence and given a chance to redeem himself. 


  115. J_P says:

    Generally, and is usually the case with veteran coaches, the GM doesnt have a hand in who is made a healthy scratch.  I’m sure the GM could force the issue if he wanted to, but I highly doubt that JM asked PG permission to sit PK. 

  116. Timo says:

    I like how all of a sudden Weber is playing “great”, “outstanding”, “solid”, etc. He had decent 2 games and now he is the second coming of Bobby Orr. Eh, really, what do I care… PK isn’t my cousin and JM does not owe me money.

  117. oshawahabsfan says:

    Don’t know if this has been posted yet:

    Nike ad featuring PK, also featured is Olympic hero Alexandre Bilodeau

  118. Hagar says:

    You should love Weber Timo. His shot ought to remind you of MAB.

  119. dbens says:

    Jarred tinordi left off usa selection camp as per rds

  120. Rice Miller says:

    PK got caught pinching, twice, and the whole team paid the price for his rookie exuberance by losing the game. Having said that, what message are you sending Weber if you sit him now, after he has done everything he has been asked to do. He will be a part of the team in the future and seeing how we are winning, why not give him some more experience playing against NHL calibre players.

    PK will have his chance to make up for his mistakes and will be a better player for it. It’s not like he has ever forced his hand on playing time with the Habs. He quietly spent last year in Hamilton, and he has become a better player for the experience. He will take this as a lesson and move on.

    As far as I can see, it is a win win situation. What’s the big deal?

  121. Say Ash says:

    There can be only one MAB.

  122. Off-side says:

    PK is young.  He’s got his whole career ahead of him.  Sitting him out for three games is fine.

  123. HardHabits says:

    Dube said that the same thing happened to Subban in Hamilton.

  124. jrshabs1 says:

     I’ll bet you all your Christmas presents that this is a PG- JM decision. Look at the history of these two.



    Go Habs Go!!

  125. PeterD says:

    “There can be only one MAB”

    And Thank God for that…


  126. Timo says:

    You got that right.

  127. HardHabits says:

    Picture this and try not to laugh. I dare you.

    MAB and the Breeze as a defensive pair!

  128. SeriousFan09 says:

    2009 3rd-round pick C Joonas Nattinen has been invited to Team Finland’s WJC Camp.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  129. Hagar says:

    Timo’s dream defensive pairing. That would be sick.

  130. VancouverHab says:

    Now that it has been raised here already, it is time to make it an open statement:

    Don Cherry was much more right about P.K. Subban than he was credited for at the time by the mass of H-I/O.

    Hold off making any of the anti-Cherry invective obligatory on H-I/O and limit remarks to what Don Cherry specifically said about P.K. Subban.

    • He is a great player.
    • His cockiness is great (quote, “I love his cockiness” unquote)
    • He steps over the line from cockiness into excess and irresponsibility.
    • As a result, he is going to experience trouble from opponents and from within his own team.
    • The sooner he channels and restrains the offending behavior the better for his success in the NHL.

    Well, that seems to be exactly the conventional wisdom from within the Habs organisation.

    So, hold back making any of the general abusive anti-Cherry remarks and say it:

    Don Cherry was much more right about P.K. Subban than he was credited for at the time.

  131. thebigguy says:

    With all the Subban/Webber exagerations, how come noone is freaking out over our other young d controversy? First round pick Jarred Tinordi wasn’t invited to the team USA camp. To be fair, almost their entire defence are also high draft picks.

    But start freaking out. ARHGHAADFSLH12!

  132. dasbooth says:

    I don’t want him to lose his offensive flare, but I think we are all getting too hot and bothered about this. We seem to be living in the here and now a bit too much and forget this is his first NHL season in what will hopefully be a long career (with the Habs of course). I believe in the long run this will only help. I don’t see it altering his style other than to make him more defensively responsible. You have to admit, the dive on the tying goal vs. Edmonton was a big mistake so he could use it. I don’t want to see him sit much longer, but watchign from the press box is a regular occurence for many rookies, even being sent down. I don’t believe this will have a lasting negative effect.

  133. punkster says:

    And it obviously runined him. RUINED HIM…I tell you!

  134. thebigguy says:

    I too like how all of a sudden Weber is playing great, outstanding, solid, etc.

    Just without the quotation marks.

  135. punkster says:

    I defer to my good friend Ian Cobb on the subject. His response to my email last night is as follows:

    “Not much of a debate, Markov is done, Maybe for good, Martin and
    Gauthier needs to find out if Weber is ready at this level before the
    trade dead line is all. He already knows what PK can do come play off
    time. Quite simple my friend.”

    Indeed Ian. Indeed.

  136. thebigguy says:

    In regards to Martin comparing Yannick/PK to Price/Halak.

    Does that mean by the end of the season Yannick is going to be outplaying PK only to see himself traded for a midlevel 1st and a project 3rd?



  137. c.robillard says:


    Do you think Washington would ever trade Alexander Semin for Zach Parise, straight up?

    I ask because I think he would fire up Kovalchuk, and Washington would have a great American leader added to their line-up, who’s a scorer the likes of Semin.

    Also, I ask because Kovalchuk is in my pool. :)

  138. joshua94k says:

    Fair is Fair.

    If coach Martin wants to send a message to Subban, what message is he sending.

    If you make some mistakes during the game and you are a veteran or have a high salary like Cammalleri, Gill, Spacek, Gomez, then it is o.k. because you are a mature player?

    PK Subban has shown the right attitude by saying he has to earn a spot on this team in training camp. He reported to rookie camp saying this when the media said he already made the team. He hasn’t complained when he was asked to sit-out back to back games. He said that when a good player like Pyatt doesn’t complain about not playing, why should he. He always maintains that he is in the learning mode.

    But three games in a row is too much. Especially for a player who has logged the most ice time for most nights this season.

    I hope that he still plays his style of game because we need some defencemen who can create some offence. I hope he continues to agitate a Richards or Crosby and get them off their game. He is quick, can pinch in and rush back when he needs to, as he has shown this year.

    With Markov gone for the year, Subban helped fill in some void.  


    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  139. christophor says:

    quote, unquote are specifically for oral communication – i.e. when you can’t use the written symbols you used. 


  140. J_P says:

    Have you noticed our track record recently for first round draft picks? I dont think anyone should be surprised lol

    Jarred Tinordi must of been like “s**t the habs drafted me in the first round, and Im american to boot! I’m doomed…”



  141. SeriousFan09 says:

    It’s not about what Cherry says half the time, it’s who he says it about.

    Where’s Don when Kadri made a throat-slash gesture at the WJC? Mention his suspension in the AHL for an obscene gesture at an official? (Things Subban has NEVER done). Nothing, “Magic hands” Kadri can do no wrong even when he walked into Camp like he had a roster spot belonging to him and he only actually began working hard once he was sent to the Marlies. Subban by comparison said he was coming to camp to play for his spot.

    He picks his favourites, ignores what they do and then slam others from teams he just doesn’t like or a European player for the exact same behaviour or worse.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  142. lavie says:

    ID: W35T5ID3, where are you? do you still remember your “idiot” comment?


  143. dasbooth says:

    I concur, the benching is no big deal, and really shouldn’t even be seen as punishment, which is also the way I think PK sees it based on what he’s saying in the interviews.

  144. shiram says:

    Wow great smackdown skills displayed here by lavie.

    Teach them trolls!

  145. Philly-Poo says:

    I think the biggest issue with Kovalchuk, which gets overlooked, is that right now, he’s a -17… He’s not scoring, and he’s a defensive liability… Trade him!

  146. VancouverHab says:

    Are they? You mean they can’t be used for auxesis in written communication?

    Gosh, they changed the rules of rhetorical deportment and failed to send me the memo, darn them.

  147. thebigguy says:

    Yeah, Price, Kotsitsyn have graduated. Komiserak was a good pick. Higgins hit a wall but that had less to do with development and more to do with extracariculars. Leblanc still looks like he’s going to be a topnotch player (considering where we got him).

    David Fisher not withstanding, we’ve been drafting fairly well.

  148. Philly-Poo says:

    I likes your post!
    I do think that PK’s attitude is really positive, and I think we all have to keep in mind, it is his first year in the NHL and JM is just trying to kill bad habits before they develop.  Hopefully PK will be a major contributor with this club, whether it be this year, or next.  I feel the same way for Weber, I suppose, either way, we have a good team here in the making. 

  149. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Seriously, this is still being discussed?

    How can any fan disagree with anything this Club (owner, coaches, etc) does with THEIR team? Did we not just witness the longest playoff run in years? – that team plays for that coach. Did we not just witness the best turn around in a position that has had some, to say the least, quirky members? Carey Price is BRILLIANT this year. Have we not just witnessed the Habs take on all the “True Tests” this year (VAN, PHI, SJS, etc)? – that team plays for that coach.

    So Weber comes in after Subban makes a few mistakes (which are not un-coachable ones to remove) and is playing really well on this team, that is great, shows depth and shows they have assets available if needed for whatever reason.

    Subban is sitting, Plekanec is just unbelievable, Price is playing EVERY game (and is not showing any signs of fatigue), scoring from all over the place.

    I can not and will not argue with anything this club does, they are making ALL the right moves. The team sits 3rd in the conf and 5th in the league, and they will only get better as the young guys play more.

    Great time to be a Habs fan.

  150. A. Berke says:

    “He added that he has enough to worry about with tonight’s game to concern himself with what’s going to happen in the future as it regards Subban’s eventual reinsertion in the lineup.”

    Right, why worry or concern oneself about the future of the team JM?

    BTW, why would anyone NOT love the way he coaches?

    Ali B.

  151. Hagar says:

    Pronger 0.75 will turn out just fine.

  152. Philly-Poo says:


    Further picturing… They are defending none other than Andre “Red Light” Racicot…

  153. habs4ever2894 says:

    Is this sarcastic ? I really can’t tell…


  154. Philly-Poo says:


  155. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Neat how you left out the very offensive and irresponsible comment by Cherry:

     “he’s gonna get hurt, someone’s gonna get him!”

    Cherry’s lives in a fake reality where it’s constantly the 70’s and goon hockey is admired and respected.  I have no problem with Don having an opinion, if he thinks PK is cocky, sobeit. But his irresponsible comments always seem to be directed at the Habs.  His bias is so large it can be seen from space, right next to the great wall of china.

  156. Philly-Poo says:


    Good observation, but on that same note, doesn’t that mean PK goes on fire next year?

  157. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Damn Right!

    But it should be more like a Nascar drunk, high ten, finished off with a chest bump!

  158. Julie H says:

    Everybody who is griping about how 3 games in the press box is too many should think about the other whatif scenario: if Martin puts PK back in and we lose and PK directly affects the loss as it happened vs the Oilers, then what do you do with him? Wait it out. See if we lose. Then Martin will have to make a descision. He’s also feeling out scenarios and line-ups. When the playoffs roll around, our formula will hopefully be tested, tried and true.

    ♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪

  159. Philly-Poo says:

    How delightfully white trash 😛

  160. RiverviewCanadien says:


    That was the intention of trying to show my emotion for this team via text. (I really hate Nascar, but an F1 drunk finished off with a chest bump, would not have given the statement the oompf! it needed, maybe a sense of awkwardness?)

    I think it come across that I am excited for this team 😉

  161. VancouverHab says:

    Yes, as I said, he make a cautionary remark about P.K.’s behavior and, in an attempt (for all we know) to prevent such unwanted occurence, councelled him to modify his behavior.

    And as we since learned, the same advice was being given to P.K. by his coaches and veteran teammates, which, because it was not heeded, resulted in him being scratched.

    So, as I say, Don Cherry was more correct than reactive H-I/O commentors gave him credit for.

  162. Ian Cobb says:

    Not much of a debate, Markov is done, Maybe for good, Martin and
    Gauthier needs to find out if Weber is ready at this level before the
    trade dead line is all. He already knows what PK can do come play off
    time. Quite simple  friends.

    This team is going to make a lot of noise come play off time.

    And for the people that don’t understand Gomez’s role, he is a key player with his leadership, savvy, speed and shutdown checking. He is a butte, and we are fortunate that he can play so many rolls for us.

  163. habaddict_andy says:

    If your last sentance is sarcasme, then I guess you had the same question last playoff games.  “Why would anyone NOT love the way he coaches?”  Cause me I loved it.  And since the playoffs last season, I know what this team is about and that includes the coach.  I left my complaints to the team of 2008-2009 (or those that left for that matter).  And by the way, for those who wanted Kovalev back, that team included Kovalev, the “I don’t feel like playing tonight” player.

  164. VancouverHab says:

    A “butte” ? A beaut? A brute?

    In either case, I love your point of view. Can you let Jack Todd know?

  165. BrianSkrudland says:

    A rare reverse punctuation burn?! Nicely done! Teach that punctuation bully a lesson.

  166. Timo says:

    I can but I am not telling you :)

  167. Bugs says:

    A butte that plays rolls.

    Butter-rolls, we call’em.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  168. Timo says:

    Indeed… what if Martin puts PK back in and he makes another mistake? I think it’s definitely Buh-Bye to cocky, selfish, it’s all me-me-me little punk then. I’m so sick of his antics. :)



  169. A. Berke says:

    Your “guesses” are way off base!

    Where did you see me mentioning last year’s playoff run or Kovalev or 2008-09 team?

    What makes you think I’m so one-dimensional that I can’t separate what Martin did last season and what he’s doing now vis-a-vis the handling of our best prospect-rookie D man? Use a bit of logic and common sense pls before you post half-cocked.

    Ali B.

  170. A. Berke says:

    Good one Timo!

    Ali B.

  171. light_n_tasty says:

    Washington would do that in a heartbeat.  But I can’t see NJ wanting to go anywhere near that trade (Parise is better and cheaper).

  172. BrianSkrudland says:

    If Washington were smart, they would accept Parise in a heart beat. Any team would be lucky to have a talented player with the drive of Parise for an uninspiring and uninspired player like Semin.

    Straight-up…Parise for Semin? The Devils would have to be out of their minds to make that move. Actually, considering the moves they have made of late, perhaps they just are crazy enough!

    It seems that the Devils franchise is destined for a great deal of hardship for many years to come. I don’t know how they are going to manage to resign Parise and maintain a competitive team following the Kovalchuk debacle.

    I’d take Langenbrunner off their hands, for sure.

  173. BrianSkrudland says:

    Like the team is on a roll? Or, PK needs to roll with the punches?

  174. J_P says:

    Well said.

    I had no problem sitting him the first game.  I thought the second was a bit much, but sure, no big deal, PK is young and Weber deserves another game.  But three games? To me, that’s just saying to PK that JM feels his team is better without him.

    I am certain though, that when PK does come back, he will come back with a vengeance.  Hopefully, he doesnt come back gripping the stick too tight, feeling that any mistake will get him right back in the pressbox.  Rookies make mistakes, JM has to learn to DEAL with it.  His message was sent, now its time to let the kid play. 

  175. J_P says:

    Theres some issues there.  The only reason the devils would trade Parise is because they dont have the cap space to re-sign him.  If they dont have the cap space to re-sign Parise, than they certainly dont have the cap space to sign semin. 

    Any GM that wouldn’t glady accept getting zach parise in return for semin should immediately be fired.  Semin is a great one-dimensional talent, but Parise is a two-way force with immense offensive talent.  Its a joke that the devils even pursued kovalchuk considering they already had a good thing going and zach parise.  I still maintain that the kovalchuk debacle had ownership written all over it.  It’s just not Lou’s style. 

  176. J_P says:

    No i like him in New Jersey right where he is.  The guy is clearly a team ruiner.  He leaves atlanta and they dont even skip a beat (and this year they are actually better without kovalchuk).  He comes to NJ, and NJ crumbles.  As a habs fan, I have absolutely no problem with kovalchuk ruining the devils. 

  177. J_P says:

    I was just playing around.  I think Tinordi will be just fine.  Price didnt make the WJHC the year we drafted him either. 

  178. J_P says:

    I was playing around, I like tinordi a lot.  However, would you really like me to indulge you with our recent first round draft history? Its certainly deserving of the joke. 

  179. Izzy says:

    yup. Not sure if we Knead another defenseman or not. Maybe we find that top 6 forward with the cash?

  180. samTHEman says:

    In what world are shutdown checking forwards paid $8,000,000 a year? No thanks..

  181. GrimJim says:

    A butte can’t roll, it’s flat…

  182. GrimJim says:

    Isn’t it PG’s role to worry/plan/concern for the future of the team, and JM’s role to prepare the team for this season?

  183. SmartDog says:

    Don’t forget his leadership (okay so he’s not actually LEADING the team in any MEANINGFUL way… i.e. on the ice… but his interviews are funny!)… and his speed (much of it away from danger).  But these things are important.  

  184. Bugs says:

    Yeah, it’s a flatroll. Goes over everything.

    With butter of course.

    Butter flatroll.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  185. subdoxastic says:

    Very sound analysis Ian..


    It’s true that P.K.’s performance has been both dominating (I’m thinking of one home game in particular) and poor (the game against the oilers). We have a reasonable sample size of his play to indicate that some thinking/tinkering is needed and that doing so will produce results closer to the peaks than the valleys.


    I’d add that Subban’s Sequestering, should not be seen as in contrast to Weber’s performance only. Having a young, talented, and perhaps slightly desperate, “rookie” in the wings puts a stiff wind up the behinds of our other defensemen: more seasoned yes, but I’d argue much more likely to be dealt.


    As for gomez (the very shape of the letters suggesting with concrete poetry a cat sleeping ) I would suggest less sleeping and more performing.


    I am excited to see what this team can do come playoffs.

  186. Philly-Poo says:

    lol, I meant for the original poster’s fantasy team 😛

    I like seeing NJ flounder as much as anyone else…

  187. SmartDog says:

    There are three kinds of peole who think PK is doing something wrong:

    1. hockey players who are frustrated playing against him

    2. people who think children should be seen and not heard, and the same of rookies

    3. bigots and aging old farts who instigate sh$t on CBC (who may also be bigots)

    I don’t hear ANYTHING even the HINT OF ANYTHING from the team, and from EVERY hockey player I’ve heard interviewed on TV that ISN’T playing against him I’ve heard they think he’s an awesome kid who should keep doing his thing.


  188. SeriousFan09 says:

    Compared to pre-2000 drafting, we’re actually pretty okay.

    Price tearing up the NHL, Pacioretty’s having quite the year in the AHL. Add in Leblanc’s likely making the 2011 WJC Team and the Habs more recent 1st-rounders are turning into something quite nice.



    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  189. Bugs says:

    Sure none of them would refuse the dough we offer, but I’m more worried about the Kid’s biscuit. Puck bounces off of it pretty hard and often leads to icings. Our blend of players can’t beat back-chasing defenders. Not like back in the day with “The Flour”, that’s fersure.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  190. Say Ash says:

    I’m sorry. I’ve tried to follow this thread but now I’m lost. Gomez is somehow a loaf of bread with butter?

  191. LA Loyalist says:

    In a world where Bob Gainey panicked. It breaks my heart to say it, but it’s the absolute truth.

    Of course Gainey could not have known Gomez would spiral so profoundly, but to get hosed by Glenn Sather… that’s tough.

    And now we are stuck with it for what, 2 more years? We need a big tough winger who knows where the net is. We are a groin pull away from Alex Auld being our #1 goalie. If that doesn’t scare you it should.

    The ice is thin. Curse at me all you want. It’s a free country.




  192. LA Loyalist says:

    um, I think he’s the butte of a joke. :)

  193. SmartDog says:

    Who are you – Spiderman? 

    I’ve never seen so many spins and leaps from one short post.


  194. A. Berke says:

    I hope you’re not implying that PK is going to sit out the season when you say: JM’s role to prepare the team for this season”

    It was JM and not PG had said the sentence that I quoted and I was pointing out to that.

    Ali B.

  195. SmartDog says:

    Those punctuation bullies can hurt you.  They don’t sting as much as those nasty spelling bees – but close!


  196. VancouverHab says:

    That is to say, you can’t restrain yourself from making the customary slanderous remarks against Don Cherry. Unfortunate.

    “…they think he’s an awesome kid who should keep doing his thing.”

    You mean, watch games from the pressbox?

  197. VancouverHab says:

    Ha ha!

  198. SeriousFan09 says:

    NJD had the following options for that groin pull scenario from 1998 to 2008.

    Mike Dunham, Chris Terreri, John Vanbiesbrouck, Jean-Francois Damphousse, Corey Schwab, Scott Clemmensen. They got by, as have other teams boasting an elite goaltender but a soft backup because few goalies who are that good want to take jobs where they know they’re only taking on 10 starts a season.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  199. VancouverHab says:

    Yep: that’s why you’re the Bugs we love.

    Game Set & Match.

  200. J_P says:

    Ian loves Scott Gomez. I can’t figure out why, but he doesn’t seem to listen to reason, so I figure it best to just let him be and enjoy #11.  For some reason, the idea of paying someone $8 million to do what any third liner being paid $2 million (or less) can do, is acceptable. 

  201. Ian Cobb says:

    In a winning Habs World Sam.! And by the way, we acquired him, his contract was given to him by Sather. It happened to just come along. So forget the bucks, winning is where we are my friend.

  202. J_P says:

    His interviews arent even so funny anymore.

  203. Ian Cobb says:

    I love this team Jon. read above please.

    He is doing what ever martin wants him to do, we are winning , and playing the best hockey this town has seen in far to long.

  204. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    Preach on SF09!

    Seriously, I am sick and tired of hearing this lame argument that we are in trouble because “we are a groin pull away from Alex Auld being our number one”. Isn’t that the case with all teams that have an established number one? I mean, how many teams out there could boast the tandem we had the last couple of years? Boston is the only team I can think of that has two excellent goalies. Having goaltending depth in the NHL is a luxury, not a necessity. Obviously, you don’t want a CRAPPY backup, but I think Auld has done well and will continue to do so for us. Obviously, if Price got hurt, we would be in trouble, but so would Buffalo, New Jersey, Calgary, Detroit, New York, Dallas, and countless other teams in the NHL who have a true number one.

    Just be happy Price is playing the way he is and stop wondering what if?

  205. J_P says:

    Oh, fantasy hockey lol my bad.

    I definitely would NOT trade him at this point.  There’s no way you are going to get good value for him, or a player with as much potential upside, and there’s no way that he maintains this pace for the rest of the season without something giving (mclean being fired, Parise coming back from injury etc…). If you’re going to trade kovalchuk for a mediocre player, you might as well keep kovalchuk because of the upside.  In fact, if you dont currently own Kovalchuk, now is probably a good time to pick him up for a bag of pucks.  Just my two cents…

  206. light_n_tasty says:

    However, I think there’s a perception out there that the Habs rely on goaltending more than any other team.   So a groin-pull to Price is more signficant than one to, say, Brodeur.

  207. light_n_tasty says:

    Do you think JM wants him to start getting some points? 

  208. light_n_tasty says:

    Unfortunately, I think we are stuck with Gomez for 3 more seasons after this one.

  209. Ian Cobb says:

    Two points in the standings is all Martin wants, and he is getting that, a heck more than years gone by.

  210. GrimJim says:

    A better buttered butte of a joke… that just keeping roll-ing along

  211. J_P says:

    Glen Metropolit and Bergeron were pretty useful diamonds in the rough for us last year as well. 

  212. SeriousFan09 says:

    The Habs know how to pinch pennies when necessary. Jeff Halpern and Mathieu Darche are adding up to 10G, 14A, are both +9 while averaging 13 and 10 minutes a game. Alex Picard has a goal and assist and takes on 16 minutes a game. All of this is costing the team less than what the salary cap went up by this season.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  213. Say Ash says:

    Yup, that Gomez contract is a great motivator.

  214. mbplekfan says:

    The habs were due for some pickups with upside. We all remember the years of guys coming in and underperforming.

    It helps to have journeyman role players around so the so called stars and rookies can see that hard work is always important.

  215. Bugs says:

    There once was a rookie called Soobie,

    Gem of the Bleu, Blanc’n’Ruby,

    Who was sent to the stands

    To accept my demands

    Of sharing with me a blunt doobie.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  216. Gormdog says:

    Was thinking a few games in the stands would be good for the kid… Until I realized you’d be up there reenacting my teenage years with him…


    Bad Bugs! Bad!

  217. punkster says:

    So after he finished that doobie,

    He steps up to the mike on the tubey.

    Then he straightens his tie,

    Looks McGuire in the eye

    And says “Buddy, you’re such a big booby”.

  218. slamtherimtim says:

    3 games is too much , this gone past a message sent , 22 minutes a game to on the sidelines , he better be in shape when he does play , he doesnt pull a hamstring or something stupid



    can we send him back to hamilton so he can work on what he has to , to be back in the line-up

  219. TomNickle says:

    Ever consider that bringing him back in now is a no win situation for Subban himself?

    What if the team loses in his first game back?  Some media personalities and outlets then start the “Subban is a distraction” crap.

    Team doesn’t want to play with him, you name it, they’ll be all over it, he’ll back after the first loss or injury without him, no sooner, no later.

    For me, that means I don’t want to see him again all year, I want 54 more games without him.

  220. RC-51 says:

    Anyone watch Hrudy Sat saying “that Subban was the future not Weber”     My opinion is that they BOTH are our future and that Martin should rotate them with Picard!

  221. Mattyleg says:

    I think he meant the future Shea Weber.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  222. pdunph says:

    I’m a huge Subban fan and I look forward to him coming back into the lineup and “redeeming” himself however I think ultimately this is a good move.

    People bash the way Martin is treating the younger players and at first I agreed with them, especially in regards to Pouliot and Eller. But then after games went on, I saw how much these two players improved when the pressure was off of them and they could work on their games without having the constant pressure of performing as top 6 forwards every game.

    Coming into this season, as fans everyone was hyping Subban as the calder trophy winner, future norris winner, powerplay saviour and though he might become that someday it puts an unreasonable amount of pressure on a young player (it was the same thing we did to Price) and makes his mindset and position on the team appear a lot different than it actually is. Some of that excitement probably started to get to his head and affected the way he was playing, the fact that a mob of journalists come to talk to a first year rookie after every practice asking questions they normally reserve for seasoned veterans probably doesn’t help the case either.

    I feel this is a good way of getting him back down to earth again. I don’t think he’s gonna be hurt by it ultimately, if anything it’s Martin’s way of letting him know that he’s a young player who’s expected to be in a learning process. When he comes back in, I can guarantee that he’ll be playing upwards of 20 minutes a game and will have the full confidence of the coach like he did early on in the year. However you can’t deny that there’s been an unusual amount of bizarre attention given to Subban this year and, and though I think there are a lot of factors involved, he does bear some of the responsibility. I don’t think it’s as simple as saying that players on the team dislike Subban, but I’m sure many of them are at least a bit bothered by some of his behaviour, the altercation with Plekanec in practice being a good example. I don’t think he’ll be affected mentally by this, he has a ton of confidence and doesn’t seem easily phased, but I think this process will make him understand his role on the team and ultimately he’ll be better because of it. 

    It’s also a good oppurtunity to build up the confidence of Weber and Picard, two players who we might need in the next few years with most of our defencemen becoming free agents next year, Webber especially given his offensive ability that we’ll need in the future especially if Markov doesn’t come back next year. What kind of message would it send to bench Webber after two great games in a row? He needs to feel like a valued prospect as well, you don’t just put all your eggs in one basket and tell everyone else they’re spare parts.

    On a somewhat related note, Picard is a guy who’s really growing on me, I didn’t think much of him at first, but the more he plays the more I compare him to Josh Gorges when he first came here. A guy who you don’t notice much but does all the right things and someone who was able to find his game by coming to Montreal. It’s also always good to see a hometown player excel in this market.

  223. JF says:

    Good post.  I think your assessment of the situation concerning P.K. is spot on.  The problem is not so much his glaring errors in the Edmonton game as the fact that he wasn’t playing the role assigned to him and his individualistic play was having a bad effect on his teammates.  Jacques Martin’s message is that each player has a role to fill and that no player is above the team.  Or, as Gorges put it, the team is winning because they do the little things right as a 5-man unit.  A lot of the time, Subban wasn’t doing that.  Weber and Picard both are, so it would make no sense to sit one of them.  Perhaps when Weber has played a couple more games and J.M. is sure he’s comfortable out there, he’ll choose to rest one of the older Dmen and re-insert Subban.

    I like your comment about Picard; he’s been growing on me all season.

  224. NoTinFoilCups says:

    Perhaps it would be a good time for Gorges to take a “therapy” day, for the team that is.

  225. jrshabs1 says:

     Are you serious? Why would steady Eddy need a therapy day?




    Go Habs Go!!

  226. aemarchand11 says:

    Theres no room for debate about this issue. We want this team to win, if we don’t win we don’t make the playoffs. The team has played well without Subban for two games, and barring injury or a bad game shouldn’t change the lineup.

    Subban will play soon, but until then. Props to the team on the ice.

    Go Habs Go!

  227. slamtherimtim says:

    it’s a no win because , he will be walking on glass the rest of the season , unless he tells JM where to go , and has that carey price , dont worry about it attitude ,


    JM is a system coach but these players made it to the show for a reason , he has never won , the habs are in the longest drought with out a cup , this is not the way to go about it , i take nothing from last year because it was just that , teams go from first to worse now a days , and you need to use your young players to their fullest , like the hawks , and pens both did ,




    there is a little truth to ever rumor and some players not being happy is probaly not that far off


  228. J_P says:

    Ever consider that JM created that stupid situation when he didnt re-insert PK back into the line-up?

    Thats the main reason he should have only sat one game.  He’s been one of our best defensemen all season long.  Martin created the controversy, and now the message is that he feels we’re a better team without PK.  Of course it’s going to get spun out of control if he comes back and we lose now, but theres no one to blame for that but JM.  “Win and you’re in” is the dumbest coaching tactic on the face of the earth.  You just put so much pressure on the guy coming in.  He’s thinking more about not screwing up than about playing his game. 

  229. NoTinFoilCups says:

    I haven’t been able to catch any games lately, unfortunately! But I’ve read suggestions from many here, including Boone, that he was playing hurt.

     Is that still the case? If so I don’t see any harm in him taking some time off to heal. I don’t like the idea of a player at this point in the season “playing hurt”. That’s for playoff time.

  230. jrshabs1 says:

     I got you. Didn’t know he was hurt. Thanks for the info.



    Go Habs Go!!

  231. JIMVINNY says:

    Seems like the Pens the are mounting a ballot stuff campaign of their own.  AGAIN.  Fleury in third place among goalies?  What a joke. The only top-ten stat he has is wins, and he can thank Sid for that.  And Letang in first among defenceman?  That seems like a bit of a stretch as well, though at least he has some stats to back up his votes.

  232. adam76 says:

    I would rather Flurey start then Price – lets give all the Habs a few days rest.  The all star game is about as relevant as Don Cherry (and less interesting).


    Let them stuff all they like.

  233. SeriousFan09 says:

    Penguin fans are getting high off their win streak. Amazing how full of themselves they get when their team is loaded courtesy of the draft lottery.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  234. Say Ash says:

    It’s no worse than making Komisarek a starting all-star.

  235. SmartDog says:

    But what a joke.

    Fleury’s save % is currently 26th in the league.  Last year’s playoffs he sported a.891save % and 2.78 GAA.

    Fleury is the Bristol Palin of the NHL. (If you get that reference, you should be embarrased. I am.)


  236. TripleX says:

    A  view from outside the Montreal bubble courtesy of the Toronto Globe & Mail.  Not to complimentary about genius JM.




    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  237. bwoar says:

    Not a very accurate one, I’m afraid.  Their “experts” opinion on Yannick Weber (“he remains incapable of winning one-on-one battles along the boards with anyone over six-foot-one“) demonstrates that you don’t need to watch the games to write hockey columns.

    As usual, when one doesn’t understand something, it *must* be wrong, or bad, right???

    To quote the immortal Suicidal Tendencies: “Just ’cause you don’t understand what’s goin’ on don’t mean it don’t make no sense, and just ’cause you don’t like it don’t mean it ain’t no good.”


  238. secretdragonfly says:

    Not only that but did anyone notice this clown is plagiarizing our own Mr. Boone?  “Commentariat”……”meh”……..coincidence?  I think not.

  239. punkster says:

    Good find TX. Best chuckle I’ve had today. You gotta love satire.


    Reverse psychology worked for Price…Trade PK now while his value is high. DO IT PG!!

  240. Mattyleg says:

    What an excellent article!

    It asks a bunch of questions the author can have absolutely no hope of answering!

    Stellar work.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  241. habs001 says:

    last 10 games we are 6-3-1…next 12 games will not be easy but 7-4-1 would not be bad… we do not need to finish first overall.. i dont think we need to pick up a player right now and i believe better quality rental players will be available in feb/march…right now there are only 2 teams that i am not sure we can beat in a 7 game series (detroit and flyers)….i believe based on the nhl landscape(this years cup winner will not go down as a super elite team) we are 3 players away from being a stanley cup favourite..a tough puck moving d, a top six forward and a bottom six forward that has some scoring ability…

  242. GrimJim says:

    Darryl Sutter stated once that if a team averages 12 points every 10 games over a season that team will make the playoffs, so I’ll accept 6-5-1… but hey, the more the merrier. 

    What would you be if you were attached to another object by an incline-plan wrapped helically around an axis?

  243. HNS says:

    Screw the Pens. No respect for a team that tanked a season for a lottery pick shot. Cindy can suck on my arse too…….Our boys are playing well but can really use more size up front. Feeling good against the Sens tonite.

  244. J_P says:

    Tanked for A (as in a single) season? More like multiple seasons.  Just like the blackhawks, and the capitals. 

  245. Say Ash says:

    You had me at “Screw the Pens.”

  246. Mattyleg says:

    * tick *


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  247. VJ says:

    You do realize that all 30 teams were given the chance for the #1 pick that became Sid, right? True the Pens had better odds, because of their record, but all 30 teams had a chance for that pick…

  248. Bugs says:

    There once was a rookie called Yannick

    Whose play caused some Faithful to panic.

    They refused to commend him,

    Just saw Soobie as victim;

    Let’s hope no corpse is found in the Manic.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  249. punkster says:

    And when PK returned to the lineup

    Getting ready and and tieing his skates up.

    It didn’t take forever

    With both Subby and Weber

    To leap to the glorious Stanley Cup.

  250. LA Loyalist says:

    I give JM benefit of the doubt to sit PK for a game, but ongoing?

    Not quite as dumb as McLean sitting Kovalchuk but it concerns me.

    PK is a unique talent and should be brought along carefully.  



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  251. Drive_For_25 says:

    NEED TICKETS FOR JAN. 22nd!!!  Playing the Ducks at home and just wondering if anyone on here had season tix and wasn’t going to be able to make the game and wanted to sell them.  A little tight for cash so I’m trying to avoid paying the crazy inflated prices on Stubhub and other sites like that.  If anyone can help me or knows where to get cheaper tickets it would be greatly appreciated.  You can e-mail me at:  Thanks!!


    GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!

  252. Ian Cobb says:

    Brad!  e-mail “habschick” Vicky.

    She lives your way and has season tickets that she sells at cost when she does not get to Mtl.

  253. SeriousFan09 says:

    Toews and Kane were big, but so were trade acquisitions like Sharp and Versteeg, plus smart drafting like Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Byfuglien and Bolland. The Blackhawks built themselves well outside of the lottery, while Kris Letang is the first Penguin outside of the Lottery to actually be a contributor on their squad.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  254. J_P says:

    Do the hawks win the cup without Toews and Kane?

    No they dont.  My point is still valid. 

    im not saying tanking guarantees a cup.  Heck the islanders and thrashers have been useless for years and gotten nowhere, but tanking and getting a few years worth of top 5 picks certainly helps. 

  255. SeriousFan09 says:

    They wouldn’t have come close without their other draft picks though. My point was CHI was a very well-built team from the draft not including the lottery and they deserve much better credit than being lumped in with PIT who needed 4 Top 2 picks to get where they are.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  256. Ian Cobb says:

    They won’t win this year! they broke up to much of their chemistry. And we are getting ready to take over.

  257. SeriousFan09 says:

    Niemi wasn’t exactly keeping the Blackhawks in games before, Keith is have a less than Norris-quality season right now so their great defensive strength isn’t what it was, plus Sopel was a pretty key player on the back end sometimes. Hawks D isn’t as good as last season and Turco not being a real upgrade on Niemi hasn’t done them any favours.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  258. Kooch7800 says:

    The hawks lost their sand paper in Ladd and Big buff.  That is what is killing them.  That and they have marty Turco in net….

    We could use some of that sand paper. The habs have so much skill even on the third and fourth lines but we are really don’t have any real aggressive type players

    I think our best hitter this year has been AK 47 with Picard being a close second.

    Philly will eat us alive again if we play them in a 7 game series.

  259. ctony says:

    How do you explain Detroit?

  260. krob1000 says:

    pretty greedy you are..asking for 13 points instead of 12. Last year we only averaged about 11 points every 10 games and made it….

  261. shiram says:

    Your math is a bit off, thats 13 points in 12 games, not 12 points in 10 games.

  262. HardHabits says:

    He probably meant 5-3-2, or 6-4-0, or maybe 4-2-4. 3-1-6, but I doubt he’d like 2-0-8 because those are the only combos that make 12 points in 10 games.

  263. GrimJim says:

    I looked up the records from past years when Sutter said it and from a couple of years prior to the lock-out on, it works. No team that reached 96 points in a season missed the playoffs. Some teams with 95 points did miss (usually in the Western Conf) and some teams with less points have made the playoffs (obviously) but every team with 96 points played post-season. 

    What would you be if you were attached to another object by an incline-plan wrapped helically around an axis?

  264. Bugs says:

    (hearty giggle)

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  265. vic says:

    JM seems to have a problem with young defensive players,OBurne sat out his time here and I guess unless PK does not carry the puck up the ice he may play.But not if he is creative.Who is coacxhing him?

    B.S.This kid can be great but not with this coach.

  266. punkster says:

    Trade him. Now while his value is high.

  267. bwoar says:

    I love that you put B.S. before your last sentence, it makes the whole post extremely accurate.

  268. Malreg says:

    Funny how O’Byrne sucked while he was coached by Carbonneau, sucked when he was coached by Gainey, and then couldn’t get it done with Martin.  Of course it’s all Martin’s fault, the player has no responsibility in how he plays or performs.

  269. mrhabby says:

    the 82 game schedule dictates some of the AHL boys have to be given a shot to see what there made of. I see nothing wrong with another game or 2 and PK sits. MPac will likely be up also and a few others as the season moves on. If PK sits for 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 games then its another issue. its not a big deal for me right now.

  270. punkster says:

    Come on MH are you blind? Can you not see the writing on the wall. Trade him while his value is high. DO IT PG!!!

  271. Ron in Ottawa says:

    Said it before, I’ll say it again. JM has a history of not coaching young guys with talent very well. you only have to look at Ottawa and the mess he was making with Jason Spezza. in one playoff series when the Sens were getting hammered and had no offense, JM refused to play Spezza who watched from the box.

    Yes PK needs to be coached and he needs to be held accountable for his wild play, especially when he gets caaught and goals get scored. but indefinite benchings do not work. Make your point JM and move on.

    I hope the Ghost is watching this carefully. One thing about Gainey was he sometimes forgot that the palyers were his assets in the hockey business. PK is a special asset. he can draw crowds and the fans certainly love him. So PG must keep a close watch here or PK could get easily ruined as a hab.

  272. Ron in Ottawa says:

    Said it before, I’ll say it again. JM has a history of not coaching young guys with talent very well. you only have to look at Ottawa and the mess he was making with Jason Spezza. in one playoff series when the Sens were getting hammered and had no offense, JM refused to play Spezza who watched from the box.

    Yes PK needs to be coached and he needs to be held accountable for his wild play, especially when he gets caaught and goals get scored. but indefinite benchings do not work. Make your point JM and move on.

    I hope the Ghost is watching this carefully. One thing about Gainey was he sometimes forgot that the palyers were his assets in the hockey business. PK is a special asset. he can draw crowds and the fans certainly love him. So PG must keep a close watch here or PK could get easily ruined as a hab.

  273. mrhabby says:

    perhaps a little jealousy going on in the room with some vets doing a little complaining of the loose style PK was playing the last several weeks. Martin  sending messages to all.

  274. samTHEman says:

    No need to panic guys. Let’s take a long look down doghouse memory lane :

    Sergei Kostitsyn

    Ryan O’Byrne

    Michael Ryder


    Gorges – Yes, when we first got him from SJ, he was scratched many times as well for not performing defensively. Look at him now. He’s paired with Gill as our top shutdown defensive line. We have the best PK in the league thanks to him and Price, Gill, Pleky. A true warrior. Seriously, does anybody not love this guy? He’s also a pure leader. Listen to this guy talk.

    Price – I’m talking about last year ofcourse. The Price – Halak situation can be compared to Subban – Weber. Both parties trying to crack the line up. Price has long been criticized to be weak mentally. You could see him crumble emotionally just by the look in his eyes last season. He seemed to have such a fragile confidence. Look at him now. NUFF SAID.

    Now out of that list of players, Subban undeniably has more confidence and self-esteem then them all. No brainer. You can tell by his attitude. He doesn’t shy away from anything. He isn’t the type of player that will hide in fear of making mistakes. That’s what you call character folks. Not taking anything away from Price or Gorges. I have no doubt in my mind that Subban will only be better from this in the end. Just wait…No need to panic boys!


  275. punkster says:

    I like panic. That’s why I hang out here 😉


    Reverse psychology worked for Price…Trade PK now while his value is high. DO IT PG!!

  276. terrygain says:

    Webber/Subban is not Price/Halak. Webber is not in the same  league as Subban in terms of potential. O’Byrne has the second best plus/minus at Colorado at plus 5. A good prospect was wasted by a stubborn coach with a poor record of developing young players. 

    Martin thinks Lapierre and Moen are good enough to play on the second line. He refuses to give Pouliot the chance he’s earned. It’s not surprising that he doesn’t understand the foolishness of playing with the emotions of the best rookie we’ve had in years. 

  277. MTLForever says:

    you’re out of your mind if you think montreal will trade him.

  278. punkster says:

    Please…read some of my posts… 😉

  279. mrhabby says:

    lmao……stir it up P…

  280. terrygain says:

    O’Byrne didn’t suck. You suck. O’Byrne was plus 1 in last year’s playoffs.  The stupid coach destroyed his confidence and he made a couple of panicky plays. That’s all you remember. Ryan is  playing great in Colorado. How many more prospects are you willing to sacrifice on the altar of Jacques Martin’s incompetence?   

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  281. Drive_For_25 says:

    Thanks a lot Ian!!  Very much appreciated.  I’ll e-mail her right now.


    GO HABS!!!!!!!!

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