Subban psyched for Habs challenge

So he cut his teeth with the Canadiens during last season’s playoffs. Now popular defenceman P.K. Subban is pumped for the season ahead. Chances are pretty remote he’ll be skating much in Hamilton.

Meanwhile, The Hockey News suggests Canadiens fans get ready to bite their fingernails again this season: the magazine predicts the Habs will finish eighth in the Eastern Conference, in the last playoff spot. Here’s a little background.

372 Comments

  1. Fire_Laraque says:

    Oh no, I won’t change my handle.  This way, I can make myself believe it’s because of me Laraque got fired hehe.

     

    As for the analysis, you’re right but don’t have the time to spend.  I’m pretty confident though that my assumption is valide.

  2. Chorske says:

    I love how my cousin, currently on the job in Madagascar, sees this post before I do

    I was NOT stalking. I was just hoping that if I hang around looking pathetic enough, Kish would feed me again. No dice, though- they let me starve despite my many meaningful looks at their picnic basket

  3. punkster says:

    Well FL, your comment on this subject is one of those I’m talking about. Metaphors? Your use of the words smurf, shorty, midget, little people, etc…are all derogatory and demeaning and intended to belittle certain players on the team. Now I’m sure that’s not your intention is it? You’re a Habs fan and as such you wouldn’t knowingly commit such an act, would you?

    I’m being facetious FL. Don’t take this personally please. We all need to lighten up in the off season and rest up for the real trashing session when the regular season gets underway.

    FREE TIMO!

  4. punkster says:

    Adam, I appreciate you taking the time to contemplate and respond so thoroughly to my motion. And from various seats of power no less.

    Yours may well be the most logical method of determining who should receive that derogatory title “smurf” (among the many other demeaning labels). I can only hope others here can grasp the concept and dial back the belittling labels attached to our players.

    As for the chairs my preference is #1 by far.

    FREE TIMO!

  5. Mr-T says:

                                                                     NEANDERTHAL

  6. Mr-T says:

    BEEN…Present participle. Past participle of be. >  BE…Present subjunctive. Present participle of been.

  7. Mr-T says:

    Thanks for the clarification, although it lacks creativity. However I must say it is very enlightening and compelling indeed. Must communicate better. You have been so helpful.

  8. subdoxastic says:

    In response to Member Punkster’s motion:

    I firmly believe that a fan willing to travel from Montreal to Ottawa, and Scotia Bank place in particular, to watch the Habs (we met on the bus from Local Heroes to the rink) should have their motions carefully considered.

    I’m loath to seem to invite the inevitable credentialist arguments, but the best defence is a good offense (sorry Jacques). With that in mind, I offer my credentials as a “chair person:”

    1. Eames lounge with ottoman ( read your original post while in it)

    2. Barcelona with ottoman (read the replies to your post in it)

    3. Wassily chair (surprisingly good for typing in)

    4. 2 Eames Walnut ply LCM (didn’t sit in them for this, but they do look pretty)

    While to some the above list will be construed as pompous or beside the point, this seemingly eulogistic beginning is an excellent starting point and, finally, the end point regarding the definition of smurfs.

    I’m sure all chairpersons (self-identified) can agree that the argument is not in fact that Habs players are three apples tall, blue, and live in a weird male dominated proto-socialist commune. What we have here is metaphor, and a hyperbolic one.

    Which brings me back to chairs. Given that by smurf we mean fellows below average height (and I’m willing to spot the average at the societal level), a smurf can be defined by any chair person. The standard height for a dining chair is a seat height of 16-18 inches.

    If any hockey player not be able to sit themselves comfortably to table because this range seems to ‘high’ their feet are not firmly planted on the floor and/or they’re swimming in the standard 15-18″ seat, I submit that they would qualify as small enough for the exaggerated ‘smurf’ to apply.

    Gionta is shortest player listed at 5’7 (which is 1.5″ shorter than the Canadian average). I’ve heard arguments that perhaps this might be inflated. Even so, do we still expect him to be less than the average stated for women in Canada (5’3 1/4″)? I don’t think so, and so even our shortest player still meets this chair person’s requirements.

  9. Bugs says:

    Your ultimate point is that I don’t have “the truth”? That’s what all this has been about?

    Huh.

    Well, you sure put me in MY place, Billy.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  10. Bill J says:

    I certainly do not know the truth.

    I also believe you do not know either.

    That is ultimately my point.

    “Snicker” indeed you arrogant Rabbit.

  11. Bugs says:

    Wondering if Price had been picked later or Halak picked sooner in the draft affecting who go traded this summer means I hate Price and I’m bandwaggoner?

    Huh…how ’bout that.

    And of course, because YOU say that, Billy, THAT’S “the truth”, yes?

    “The truth.” (snicker) You have it, right?

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  12. Bill J says:

    Oye dude.

    I looked, I didn’t see many supporting posts, instead I saw some underhanded attempts to poke fun at Price’s draft position vis-a-vis Halak’s …

    Keep telling yourself your innocent B – doesn’t make it the truth.

     

  13. ed lopaz says:

    I know you know. :-)

    Just felt like writing a positive post about Pk.

    Its not every day that I get to write something positive about this team, so I figured I would go all out!!!

  14. nunacanadien says:

    Ok, this is sad and pathetic, from the Price fans up to Gauthier, you are like the people who believed the Emporer had clothes when he didn’t in that old fairy tale of the Emporer with No Clothes.  This time Bob Gainey in his support for Price has been shown to be naked in both stats and also wins with his support for Price.  The whole hockey world noticed that the chemistry is not there between Price and the Habs players.  The whole Markov controversy from last year all but showed us a picture to that world that Price doesn’t have a whole lot of support in the dressing room and on the ice.  The lost games with Price showed us the truth behind that controversy.  Sure Gomez being Halak’s great cheerleader didn’t help either.  But now Gomez is Price’s great cheerleader and whether that translates for the Russians we’ll see.

  15. Bugs says:

    Ughh, ok, Bill, whatever, yes, I hate’m, ok? I hate his guts. I was just WAITING for the opportunity to hate. I love to hate. And then I’ll love’m for a bit. And then I’ll hate him so more. Round and round, that’s what I’ll do because that’s what I do and that’s what I’ve always done. Yes. You got me.

    Nevermind the proof below that FULLY SUPPORTS my initial statement: encouraged and defended for three years; then exacted some return. Nevermind that because proof is stupid. And proves nothing.

    Instead: hate, hate, hate…love…hate-hate-hate-hate. Bandwaggoning criticism, that’s all I do.

    You know WHY it’s bandwaggoning criticism?

    Because then, you don’t have to bother thinking up a worthwhile counter to that criticism. Just label it as hate-hate-hate and move on. Retain self-satisfaction but offer nothing.

    Convenient.

    Hate-hate-hate, that’s me.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  16. Bill J says:

    Like I said.

    You support them when they have success.

    BTW – when you tell me “save the drama-queen act” you ARE referring to yourself right ?

    Because the Prima-Dona that you are can not be painted more clearly then in your signature, and holier-then-though posts.

    PLEASE spare me B.

    Just don’t try and lie to us, and say you supported Price for 3 solid years.

    And let’s not even put into consideration that 3 years for a goalie is not nearly enough to properly judge.

    OR

    The fact that Price HAS had extreme success already, but has struggled of late.

    I think some assume he should have struggled first, and THEN blossomed like a 270’ish draft pick.

    WTF is wrong with you ?  You would spit on a 23 year old Prospect, one who HAS had success in the NHL.  Because he has a bad 1.5 year stretch ?  In that stretch, the Habs where rebuilt practically from scratch.

    Whatever.

  17. Bugs says:

    Cammalleri says they’re gonna play for him.

    That’s good enough for me.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  18. Bugs says:

    ?

    Chris, could you…what…counterfactual…what?

    Huh?

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  19. Bugs says:

    I don’t know. We’ll see when we get there.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  20. Mattyleg says:

    GAH!! What?!?

    Smaller palyers get worn out sooner?? What doctor told you that?!

    Although it’s a silly point to contest, I would say that larger players get tired out sooner because they have to lug their giant bodies around everywhere. It’s a bit of a nonsense argument, I’m afraid, Derfab.

    We didn’t have a physical inability to respond. We weren’t the same team mentally. Had nothing to do with physical.

    And as for Pitt and Wash being ‘badly coached’, that’s nonsense too! We were the better team, and we beat them. Not because they were misled or poorly-adjusted, but because we played harder and better. Sure, they may have considered us ‘inferior’, but it was that underdog mentality that helped us win, and cost us the series against Philly.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  21. Bugs says:

    Yeah, I know, Eddie. I live here.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  22. Bugs says:

    Never stopped supporting Carey. That’s just how you’re painting it to support your “bandwaggoner” rebuttal because if I criticize what you won’t, that means I’m blinded by hate and you’re perfectly opiniated with love. That’s bullspit.

    Thing is, instead of projecting about my “bandwaggoning” like you, I can PROVE my support for le Priceberg for three years. It’s published on the link below. So save the drama-queen act.

    Three years.

    But I’m not worried about Soobie.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  23. BJT says:

    Oh my goodness. That was a hard-core failure.

    I’m ashamed.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry

  24. Mattyleg says:

    This “team played for so-and-so” is not valid. I don’t buy it one bit. Unless you’re in the locker room where they’re saying to each other “let’s not play tonight; Carey’s in,” then I don’t give that idea much credence.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  25. Bill J says:

    To answer your question.

    The team chemistry built in the 2nd half & into the playoffs. 

    That is what makes me think they will play for Price as they did for Jaro in the 2nd half & into the playoffs.

    Price has gotten labeled for being the goalie when the chemistry of 11 new players was formed.

    Rough start, but now the team is in sync.  And Price will be a part of it now.

    Worth waiting to see, as opposed to dumping unfairly on Price… No ???

  26. nunacanadien says:

    The team played for Halak, they didn’t for Price, that is why Price was yanked so much last year.  What makes us think this same team that did not play for Price last year will do the same this year?

  27. Bill J says:

    Dont’cha mean you will give Subban 2.5 years then ?

    I mean that IS what you gave Price… Right ?

    Considering the first 1.5 of those years Price excelled.  You amount to bandwagoneer at best Bugs, it is always easier to support the stars and look better for it doesn’t it ?

    I look forward to you supporting Price again soon.

     

  28. G-Man says:

    Enough of this bs. The same team played WITH Halak. Did the Habs players show a higher comfort level with Halak rather than Price? Maybe- but enough of trying to show Halak sucked last season. He was the 4th ranked goalie in the league. He didn’t suck. Price did to the degree that he lost twice as many than he won. Was his save percentage awful? No. Did he make the key saves? Not often enough. Did he outplay the goalie on the other end of the rink? No, simply because he lost way more than he won.

  29. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Then you should’ve compared Mtl’s top six with the average of every other team’s top six. Otherwise it’s an invalid comparison.

     

    p.s. I think it’s about time you changed your handle :)

  30. ed lopaz says:

    I think you are going to be very surprised in year 1.

    Here’s why.

    When you look at the success young defencemen, like Tyler Myers in Buffalo for example, had last season, there is no reason PK can not do just as well.

    In fact, I was arguing that point all of last season, and especially after PK got called up against Philly the 2 games immediately before the Olympics.

    PK has the offensive game, speed, hands, vision, instinct, to be an effective contributor at the NHL level from

    day 1 this season.

    But Pk’s best quality is his attitude, his never quit, never stop working determination to succeed!!

    That’s the difference between a PK Subban and AK 46.

    Subban brings his A game every night – and when he has an off night it will be because the puck is simply not bouncing his way, not from a lack of trying.

    When AK 46 has a bad night you can see the quit written all over his face. That  is the “heart” of a hockey player, and of any man – how you face adversity and battle through it.

    It is is easy to be happy and content when things are going your way and success is at hand.

    It is this great attitude that will bring PK close to the Molson Forum fans.

    I saw it in game 3 vs Philly.

    It is a respect, an awe, a love for the game, that the fans pick up on – that he is NOT ENTITLED to his success,

    but rather he works his tail off to EARN HIS SUCCESS.

    The whole league knows what he can do.

    he will be first line power play from the first game of the season.

    if he stays healthy, he should put up somewhere between 30 and 45 points – some have suggested more than that.

    the people who are “concerned” – have simply not seen him play, or don’t know what he is capable of doing.

    He is our best draft pick since we picked Markov, and he is our 2nd best offensive defenceman from day

    1 of the upcoming season.

    HE IS NOT BOBBY ORR – of course NOT.

    He is PK – and we are damn lucky to have him!!

    My favorite Hab since we drafted him.

     

  31. SeriousFan09 says:

    Bugs shall unleash the full power of his sarcasm and poetic satire that will come in such a torrid rush than what he has dropped on Price in the last year will seem a kindness.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  32. SeriousFan09 says:

    Your inability to do anything other than complain about Price became a bad joke a long time ago.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  33. Fire_Laraque says:

    I don’t know why I got that image while reading your post but: “Daddy, you promised me we would go to McDonalds today”

  34. Fire_Laraque says:

    1-Sorry, my french background coming to haunt me.  I should’ve wrote Metaphores.

    2-the reason I am only talking about our top 6 forwards is because 1-They get most of the minutes, 2-they score most of the goals, hence, they are the core and center of any hockey team.

  35. christophor says:

    yes, but can you really say, “if that goalie who appeared to have the skillset to be picked 5th overall was picked 272nd overall, then …”?

    it doesn’t work. he was picked there because of his apparent skillset/potential. you can’t just separate believed “upside” from draft position. if he didn’t have the “upside” (kind of getting sick of the word), then he would have gone later in the draft, maybe 272nd.

    your counterfactual would probably compromise your point.

    that’s not saying they made the right choice. i just don’t like your reason for not liking it.

  36. SlovakHab says:

    … otherwise, what?

  37. Xtrahabsfan says:

    You guys and the Price thing is becoming a bad joke…..remember ,ya make yer bed ya gets to slep in it!

  38. derfab says:

    True. Though kovalev is not small. And anyway, with 16 teams making the playoffs, the 82 game season is near meaningless to elite teams. We sucked big time when it got serious.

    character is derfab destiny.

  39. Bugs says:

    I’m gonna be patient with Soobie for three years. Encourage’m and defend’m. Three years.

    Like I was with le Priceberg.

    And then, I want some friggin return.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  40. RiverviewCanadien says:

    LOL

    I would have put ‘3 apples tall’ for the Smurfs though :)

  41. puck face says:

    well ,  when considering the Halak / Price debate….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  42. Bugs says:

    Uhh, no. That’s not why they decided to keep him, I’m afraid. If “they knew” he player better against elite teams, they woulda played’m against Washy and Pitt in the playoffs. Doesn’t get more elite than that.

    No, they kept him because they picked him 5th overall and they feel he can surmount his “setbacks” to play to the measure that his skills have tantalized us with but in a more consistent fashion.

    That’s why they kept him.

    If he had been picked 272 overall (hint-hint), think it would’ve been different, no?

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  43. TorontoHabsFan says:

    1) What’s metaphorism??

    2) Why are you comparing only the average of our top 6 to other teams’ entire roster? Our roster (including Eller, but still short a 13th forward) is 72.6″ – which is 6′.

     

    fun fact: Montreal’s roster in the ECF was only 0.9″ shorter than Philly’s, and was 5 lbs heavier

  44. madcap_habsfan says:

    lol good one. i think the day that happened would be the day the world implodes onto itself lol

     

    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  45. SeriousFan09 says:

    I wouldn’t call his slapper a Chara-type rocket, I’ve seen him loose it but the true strength of his shooting game is like Markov, a very accurate wrist shot. With time his slapper may improve but I wouldn’t expect any Shea Weber twine-rippers this season.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  46. pic1983 says:

    He could be an excellent trigger man with time.  Maybe he doesnt have the velocity of a Souray or Streit Bomb (dont forget that those two are also 10+ years older than PK), but he has a great shot, and the creativity to distribute the puck effectively if his shooting lane is blocked (an ability that bergeron lacked).  He’s also a right-handed shot which should compliment Spacek and Markov nicely.   

  47. pic1983 says:

    We’re missing a “Shea Weber” type player – a well-rounded defenseman with a mean streak.  We’re not missing size, were missing physicality.  ITs not how big you are, its how big you play.  Frankie Bouillon at under 6′ brings more physicality than ROman Hamrlik who’s like 6’4″ (?). 

  48. derfab says:

    I hear ya. But injuries happen when players are worn out and smaller players get worn out sooner, leaving themselves and their bigger teammates less protected and more vulnerable. There are presently (markov) and will be injury problems again.

    The opposition needs to be thinking that anyone who takes a run at a Habs player is going to have their face crunched by someone up their butt the very next second. That’s why someone from Hamilton or elsewhere is going to steal a job soon.

    Pittsburgh and Washington were badly coached and frustrated by us because they couldn’t accept having to play patient, tough hockey against what they beieved to be an inferior club.

    Philly learned well and, with players like Hartnell, did just that, beating us at our own dump and chase game, patiently and opportunistically  exploiting our inability to physically respond, with a 3rd rate goalie to boot.

     character is derfab destiny.

  49. JoshSS says:

    So how’s that H I/O iPhone app we were promised for the start of the season coming along?

  50. smiler2729 says:

    The crazies amongst Hab fans and even the not-that-crazies are gonna eat PK Subban alive this season cuz he won’t be Bobby Orr… just like they’ve eaten Carey Price.

    Patience.

  51. WarHero says:

    His shot is not quite as hard, but with his improved size and time it can only get harder. Also, one thing we seem to be forgetting is that Subban is a great passer, add that in with his shooting ability and we have ourselves a new PP threat :)

     

    ————————————————————————

    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  52. pic1983 says:

    We werent any bigger when we won the conference in 07-08.  If we dont get killed by the injury bug this year I think we will surprise a lot of people.  The team is going to be younger and faster this year.  Especially during the regular season, we should be hard to contain. 

  53. nunacanadien says:

    Subban is this year’s Markov, the excuse for Price’s bad year will wear on Subban’s shoulders.  Fortunately for Markov, a lot of pressure has been removed thanks to Spacek.  We just have to solve the bad habit of Subban to outskate everyone and basically find himself all alone ala Koivu style, and coughing up the puck to bigger more talented players.  Although with Koivu it took almost three people to make him cough up the puck most of the time, but occassionally a right hit would remove the puck from Koivu.  It is too bad we can’t bring Koivu back, trade for a goalie to bring him back, trade Ramo’s rights, the Ducks love the Finns.

  54. dallyd31 says:

    Forgive my lack of info…but does Subban possess the hard shot needed to be a trigger man such as Sourey and Streit ( or Bergeron for the matter) ?

  55. Bugs says:

    Totally agree with you on change of mentality aspect.

    But we must not minimize Philly’s confidence in playing against us in the playoffs coming in either.

    Questionable but unactionable, it’s

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  56. SLONCOLD says:

    i’m very excited to see PK get alot of ice time this year. however, there will be some growing pains as people will find weaknesses in his game and try to exploit them in his early nhl career. but with the likes of markov, gil and company i think they’ll keep him a float and guide him in the right direction.

    I think the think i like most about PK is he isn’t afraid to make a mistake. i got that feeling from listenting and watching him last year. Seems like he’s gonna be a fun player to watch in future.

  57. Everlasting1 says:

    I call for a referendum on eliminating silly posts from ‘small’ minds.

     

     

    Don’t pollute the water.

  58. pic1983 says:

    Im not worried about PK.  I wouldnt really say that Hamrlik has “poise”.  In the playoffs last year PK looked miles better than Hamrlik did.  Hamrlik was giveaway machine all year last year.  He’s in a contract year this year, so I expect a good season from the Hamr.  PK will certainly have his ups and downs, but overall Im sure he will have a solid rookie season.

  59. SLONCOLD says:

    useless stat of the day:-) good thing we don’t have forwards and defense men on the team. Price is here because the organization believes in him not because he lost or won games against “better” teams.

     

  60. Habsforlife 1959 says:

     

    Below is Halak’s record and teams he played against last year.

    Tor = 4

    Car = 2

    Nyi = 4

    Buf = 3

    Phi = 2

    Njd = 3

    Fla = 4

    Ott = 4

    Nyr = 4

    Bos = 3

    Edm = 1

    Tbl = 1

    Ana = 1

    Lak = 1

    Pit = 2

    Van = 1

    Atl = 2

    CAL =2

     

    Below is Price’s record and teams he played against last year.

    Dal = 1

    Was = 4

    Buf = 3

    Tbl = 3

    Min = 1

    Njd = 1

    Atl = 2

    Pit = 3

    Phi = 3

    Bos = 3

    Tor = 2

    Cbj = 1

    Det = 1

    Car = 2

    Nas = 1

    Pho = 1

    Chi = 1

    Ott = 2

    Col = 1

    Edm = 1

    Van = 1

    These stats show that Carey Price played more elite teams than Halak did. Carey Price played 14 games against teams that did not make the playoffs last year while Halak played 25. These stats shows why the Habs decide to keep Price instead of Halak. Hopefully Price will have a better season htis year? My bets is Price will have a better record than Halak coming this season IMHO. Go Habs Go!!!



  61. Mattyleg says:

    I don’t agree with the HN prediction.

    One of the main reasons we finished where we did last season was due to the massive number of games lost to injury. If we can avoid that this year, then we will place significantly better. If we can’t we’ll place around the same spot.

    And I don’t agree with this whole ‘we get beat up by bigger teams’ bs. People have been yammering on about the Flyers being bigger and that’s why they beat us. Bull. Look at interviews with anyone on the team, and you’ll find that it was the change in mentality of being the underdog that beat us.

    I do agree about Pou, Laps and AK, but we can’t fill the second line spots with young scrappy players.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  62. derfab says:

    Subban is an awesome young player but still very raw. I don’t think we should expect big power play production fom him just yet because, with this team, he will have to work hard on playing long and well in his own end. He is crafty, exciting and a great skater but has many mistakes to make and, at the present time anyway, at least  4 (Markov,Hamr, Spacek, Gorges) of our veteran D are more solid and poised on the point.

    character is derfab destiny.

  63. observer says:

    Many times they are even worse than they seem.

  64. derfab says:

    Hockey News sounds right. Habs will impress and dazzle the slow, tired or unprepared teams at various junctures but otherwise get too beat up by bigger, tougher opposition to compete for a top spot.

    A number of players, starting with Pouliot, Laps and AK need to get better, tougher and more commited to stay in the lineup because they occupy spots that tough, young scrappy players can effectively fill for less dough.

      character is derfab destiny.

  65. Chuck says:

    — 5’7″ –>  Gionta

    — 4’6″ –>  Little Person

    — 4’0″ –>  Midget

    — 3’6″ –>  Tiny Tot

    — 0’6″ –>  Smurf (also blue)

  66. observer says:

    “obviously real good”? a gross understatement. the most talented young player I have seen come up to the team in many, many years. And one of the best we’ll see in the entire NHL rookie crop this year – if not the best.

  67. Fire_Laraque says:

    You’re not into metaphorism are you? Smurf is being used for the Habs because there is a trend that we can clearly see in Montreal.  If you don’t like the word smurf, you can use;  Shorty, Midget, little people, height challenged, smallish, minuscule, one without a shadow or any other qualificative you want to describe the Habs’ forwards.  The league average is 6’1 you say? what’s our average height on our top 6?  I’ll tell you,

    It’s 5’10.  3 inches shorter then your average.

     

     

     

  68. Fire_Laraque says:

    I don’t think you get the point.  How many top 6 forwards are over 6’0?  2?  AK and Benoit Pooh.  And both of them are soft.

    Look at all the leaders in this league and i’m sure you will have more then 2 soft 6 footers in their top 6 forwards.

    That, my friend, is having a smurf team.  So that said, getting Karya at 5’11 to replace… one of our top 6 forwards (AK or Benoit Pooh i’m thinking), will only get the team shorter.  And IF Gauthier (I refuse to call him by his first name because he’s a moron) had plans on putting Karya (Assuming we sign him of course) in the bottom 6 forwards, well then… we will have a top 6 forwards not much taller then a smurf AND a bottom 6 forwards, who are supposed to be grinders, with ANOTHER player under 5’11.

     

    Remember the beating we got against the Flyers during the last playoffs? and the lack of energy our team showed? Here’s a tip for you, size DOES matter.

  69. thebigguy says:

    For a team that some on this site would allege is poor at development, we’ve sure had a lot of players who have gotten consideration for the Calder. Price, Ryder…

  70. puck face says:

    haha , some of the negative comments on the Subban article thread are ridiculous. he’s obviuosly going to be really good and it just kills habs haters that he’s on our team.

  71. PrimeTime says:

    Players are never as good, or as bad, as fans believe they are.

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  72. mrhabby says:

    always had a thing for women midgets.

  73. mrhabby says:

    given that our some of our forwards are smallish and thats not going to change.

    the big centres are very hard to find and all other 30 teams are looking to.

    the true enforcer position is going by the way side.

    i say a a stud dman with a nasty side who can skate and move with the puck …first pass.

  74. punkster says:

    Point of order, if you please.

    I would call upon the chairpersons of HI/O to provide us with a clear ruling that establishes, once and for all, the height requirements for being a “smurf” (also known on HI/O as “tiny tots”, “little people” and “midgets”). If the chair is unable to make that call I request a referendum be held on HI/O to collect and tabulate the members’ views and votes on the subject. This would certainly minimize any issues going forward regarding the ability of any player who falls under the “smurf” height minimum.

    I’m sure we would all feel better if we knew exactly where all our players stand (so to speak).

    FREE TIMO!


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