Subban and Price invited to pre-Olympic orientation camp

(Photo: Allen McInnis / THE GAZETTE)

Canadiens defenceman P.K. Subban and goaltender Carey Price are among the 47 NHL players invited to Canada’s national men’s team orientation camp in Calgary next month.

The team that will represent Canada at the Olympic Games in Sochi, Russia next winter will be chosen by Dec. 31. The 25-man roster will include three goaltenders.

Five goalies have been invited to the  camp in Calgary, including Price, Corey Crawford of the Chicago Blackhawks, Roberto Luongo from the Vancouver Canucks, Braden Holtby of the Washington Capitals, and Mike Smith from the Phoenix Coyotes.

Subban, who won the Norris Trophy last month as the National Hockey League’s top defenceman, is among 17 rearguards invited to camp. Kristopher Letang of the Pittsburgh Penguins and Shea Weber from the Nashville Predators are also on the list.

“To be invited, obviously it’s a very cool honour,” Subban told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs in an interview Monday afternoon. You can read more of what Subban had to say here.

The Olympic Games kick off on Feb. 7. The men’s hockey event runs from Feb. 12-23, ending on the final day of the Games.

In a press release Monday, Hockey Canada said the orientation camp in Calgary from Aug. 25-28 “will offer the opportunity for management, the coaching staff and Hockey Canada to present the players with the team’s plans for Sochi, such as playing systems, international rules and regulations and logistics.”

Brad Pascall, vice-president of hockey operations at Hockey Canada, said it’s “unlikely” the players will take to the ice at the camp based on insurance requirements.

You can see the full orientation camp roster by clicking here.

Detroit Red Wings coach Mike Babcock will be back behind the bench for Canada.  Babcock coached the gold medal-winning Canadian Olympic team in 2010 at the Games in Vancouver. St. Louis Blues coach Ken Hitchcock and Dallas Stars coach Lindy Ruff, who were also part of the coaching staff in Vancouver, are back as associate coaches along with Boston Bruins coach Claude Julien.

You can read Hockey Canada’s press release about the players invited to camp here:

And you can read its press release about the coaching staff here.

 

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  1. The Juice says:

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  3. petefleet says:

    Check this link originally posted by Habsfan. The writer talks about Prices woes last year and mentions more than once that it was magnified by the lack of scoring by the Habs….that’s the 3rd highest scoring team in the league last year. Can’t sports writers at least get their facts straight before writing an “informed” article.

    http://thehockeywriters.com/carey-price-montreal/

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  4. Bill says:

    @cautious optimist: Nygren was not voted best defenceman in the SEL last year.

  5. ClutchNGrab says:

    New thread.

    Should I post that? Is it useful?

  6. Chris says:

    Regarding Price and Crawford, isn’t it weird how it always comes back to playing for a stacked team?

    Montreal fans were always indignant when opposing fans derided Ken Dryden as being the beneficiary of playing behind a stacked team. Montreal fans, on the other hand, recognized that Dryden was an integral part of making that team as good as they were. He was the right guy for the job.

    Patrick Roy is generally one of the greatest goalies in history and you can certainly argue that the second half of his career was spent on a ridiculously stacked Colorado team. That doesn’t change the fact that when Colorado needed Roy to be the star, he never disappointed.

    Looking at Corey Crawford’s season, he was playing at a very high level. Yes, the Blackhawks were a great team, but Crawford was huge when he was needed. If there is a knock against Crawford, it is career consistency. He just had a fantastic season. But now he’s got to prove that it wasn’t a fluke.

    When it comes to Olympic goaltending, I wouldn’t be shocked to see Roberto Luongo chase down the job this season. I think the Canucks are going to rebound next season, and Luongo will be playing with a massive chip on his shoulder to show everybody he is still an elite goaltender and that he wants a shot to defend Canada’s gold medal from 2010. He’s going to get all the ice time he can handle this year, and he has always thrived with a heavy workload.

    • HabFab says:

      I thought you were going to talk about Price :P

      • Chris says:

        Oh fine.

        Price is an extraordinarily talented goaltender who frequently exhibits lapses in his mental focus and confidence that we see in similarly talented goalies like Roberto Luongo and Marc-Andre Fleury.

        Price has had to deal with some bad teams, but not nearly as bad as his more vocal supporters would have us believe. He spent two and a half seasons playing for a Jacques Martin team that was heavily tilted towards playing defensively, PRECISELY the type of hockey that people claim makes guys like Mike Smith, Pekka Rinne or Niklas Backstrom “look better than they really are”.

        Price has twice entered the playoffs on teams that finished in the top-5 in the NHL for goals scored (2nd in 2007-08, T4th in 2012-13) and was mediocre at best in both cases. Those two years were his golden chance to go on a deep playoff run, and he simply didn’t perform. Does that mean he never will? Of course not…Pavel Datsyuk has been absolutely brilliant in some playoff years, and very pedestrian in others. But Price HAS had chances to earn his spot in the discussion for best in the game and didn’t quite have his A-game those years.

        Right now, he’s a solid top-10 goaltender who could easily be top-5 with some consistency.

  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    Rule Number One: don’t trade young promising defenceman prospects.

    • Sportfan says:

      What if you have 4-5 top young defensive prospects and if you move one you get a top-6 forward or grit guy or a player who has experience and can make a difference on the team?

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      • HabFab says:

        We don’t have 4-5 top defensive prospects, we have two!!

        • junyab says:

          He said IF they have 4-5. And then, maybe yes, they could use one to get a top-6 forward.

          • HabFab says:

            v That is what I’m talking about. v Too many over estimate! v

          • I dunno, I’d at least add Nygren, Ellis and Dietz to Beaulieu and Tinordi in the “promising” category. Nygren especially: you don’t get voted the best defenceman playing in Sweden — at 23 years old, no less — without having some skills. Sure the SEL isn’t the NHL, but 32 points in 51 games, in a defensive league and at his young age, is seriously impressive.

            Dietz probably has farther to go to get to the big club, but he has skill, size, grit and a booming slapshot, was an all-star in the WHL, and had 100 PiMs to go along with his 58 points in Saskatoon last year.

            Again, none of these guys is a sure thing, but promising? Definitely.

            Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

          • HabFab says:

            Okay, I can agree with that to this degree.
            – Beaulieu and Tinordi are top prospects
            – Pateryn, Nygren, Ellis and Dietz are promising
            – Bennett, Thrower and Dieder maybe

            Not a bad position to be in.

          • Fair enough. : )

            Either way, I’m excited to see how Hamilton does this year — if they can get some solid goaltending (has Tokarski re-signed yet?) I think they’ll surprise some folks.

        • Chris says:

          Tinordi, Beaulieu, Nygren, Pateryn, Bennett, Dietz, Thrower and Ellis. I would argue that there are at least four defensive prospects on that list.

          There are two blue-chip prospects (Tinordi and Beaulieu) who are both somewhat one-dimensional: Tinordi has no offensive game whatsoever, while Beaulieu has been a bit weak defensively. Beaulieu has the higher upside because you can learn to become a better defender, but you can’t really teach his elite level of skating, passing and offensive vision. If he can put all the tools together, he’s going to be an All-Star.

          The problem with Beaulieu will be his willingness to work to become that player. Subban became a Norris Trophy winner by outworking just about everybody. I’m waiting to see that same level of commitment from Beaulieu.

          We hope that Beaulieu can evolve into an Alex Edler. If Beaulieu were the cost to acquire Edler, I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. Edler is only 27 years old, just starting his prime, and he’s got all the tools and has shown that he can be successful at the NHL level.

          • HabFab says:

            Beaulieu is surprisingly meaner then Tinordi. He has a mean streak and loves to mix it up. Hopefully all the pieces come together for him. IMO he looked the best of the 3 rookie D’s when called up and that included his defensive game.

    • Normally I’d agree, but like anything, it depends on the return you can get. Promising NHL-ready D prospects are hard to find, but you can get a lot for them in a trade. With Tinordi, Beaulieu, Pateryn, Ellis, Nygren and Dietz all waiting in the wings, we’re stacked at that position, especially with guys like Thrower not even in the AHL yet. Tinordi is about as untouchable as a prospect gets IMO, but I’d consider packaging any of the others for a long-term upgrade on the big club.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  8. As this thread wears thin because of the lack of hockey news in the dog days of summer, I thought I’d bring this article on the top 30 goalies in the NHL to everyones attention. Price sits seventh, far too high in this posters opinion.

    So let’s see the Price boosters and bashers support or decry this bit of weak sports journalism posted on Yahoo Sports…

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl–rankings–the-top-30-starting-goalies-in-the-nhl-154114642.html

    Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

    • HabFab says:

      No Halak, sacrilege!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        It is no longer about Halak, now it is simply about disparaging that franchise ruining goalie Price. He needs to be run out of town immediately for this team to ever achieve dynasty status again. The rest of the team is perfectly suited for an undefeated season, we just need to find a goalie.

        • HabFab says:

          It totally escapes me how supporters of a team can wish their own players nothing but bad. Heck, I even wished Gomez all the best in the world up until and especially the day he was gone. Now he is just a suppressed memory.

      • Chris says:

        That actually is pretty silly. Halak has certainly proved a lot more than Karri Ramo, their #30. I would slot him in ahead of Ramo, Bishop, Mason, Markstrom and Dubnyk, personally. And I’d think hard about Pavelec.

        • junyab says:

          Read the article before you look at the rankings. They listed ONE PER TEAM. ie they could not used both Elliott AND Halak. They chose Elliott over Halak.

          • Chris says:

            Point taken.

            That is a rather silly requirement to put on the exercise, as some of the guys that are currently #2’s will be traded to those lower teams needing a #1. Ramo has about as much chance of being the #1 goalie in Calgary as Halak does. ;)

      • junyab says:

        Swap Mike Smith with Craig Anderson and I’ll agree with the top 7.

    • The Cat says:

      Carey Price is like the Paris Hilton of hockey. Hilton is famous for being famous since theres no body of work to back up the fame. She’s famous because we’ve been repeatedly told she’s famous.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • bwoar says:

        I agree to a point. I don’t blame Carey Price for it whereas one can certainly blame Ms. Hilton for seeking the limelight.

        OTOH, Paris Hilton has nothing to look forward to but old age, Price may yet make good on the promise he’s shown to date. But the clock is ticking…

        “thoroughbred”

      • LMAO HabFab and I agree with you Cat, but the Price boosters here have been silent… hmmm… perhaps their questioning Price’s consistency, desire to win and true hockey sense as opposed to technical skill. Can’t blame it all on Pierre Groulx, although I wouldn’t agree completely with Patrick Roy when he laced into Price.

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          There haven’t been any games since the loss to Ottawa, did you want the Price supporters to judge his play since by his wedding plans or his invite to the Olympic tryouts.

    • Chris says:

      Price is about right, but Howard is way too low. And it is hard to say that Crawford has to prove himself for another year to earn a spot in the top-10 when you give Bobrovsky #5…

      I would also put Niemi higher than Price, Bobrovsky and Smith. There’s a guy who doesn’t get a lot of respect, but just continues to post great numbers. He’s also generally played well in the playoffs.

      I also have Lundqvist #1, with Quick #2. Lundqvist has been great for a longer period of time and he’s been more consistent. I don’t hold it against him that he hasn’t won a Stanley Cup, as he has been elite in both the regular season and the playoffs.

    • neumann103 says:

      I would have probably ordered the Top 4 differently but that is probably the right group.

      Price probably belongs around where they have him. A year ago I would have had him just inside the top 5. Just outside the top 5 seems appropriate.

      Sergei Bobrovsky and Mike Smith are too high. Too much of a bump off one season (and in Smith’s case one season a year ago).

      I think Crawford, Lehtonen, and Backstrom are too low.

      “Et le but!”

  9. HabFab says:

    Re the Edler talk.
    -Eklund is just rehashing old news to get some hits.
    -Edler was shopped around in June because the Canuck owners didn’t want to have to do a buy-out. After Edlers NTC kicked in July 1st, that was moot and they ended up having to do a buy-out of Ballard.
    – and apparently the Habs did kick the tires in asking what the Canucks were looking for but that was as far as it went.

  10. HabinBurlington says:

    Evidently the Minnesota Wild lost approx. $30Million last season. Hard to feel any empathy to that team with the crazy contracts they handed out just prior to lockout.

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_23745689/charley-walters-minnesota-vikings-bonus-tab-top-picks

    Not much in the article about the team but the following quote:

    A little birdie says the Wild lost $30 million during their abbreviated 2012-13 season, and a cash call was made to team investors in February. The Wild paid bonuses totaling $20 million to sign free agents Zach Parise and Ryan Suter.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Incredibly outrageous signings. It seemed that they wanted to make a splash which didnt pay dividends.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Burli

      Book loss or real loss?

      There are some very funky tax laws in the US concerning Pro sports franchise acquisitions and the ability to depreciate that asset along with something called ” Roster Depreciation Allowance”

      A Google of both terms will give an eye opening account of how US pro sports teams make a profit become a loss.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I obviously don’t have the answer Ron, and fully understand your question. But further to what Habfab points out below, the owner of the Wild signs the crazy contracts with huge signing bonuses, and then minutes after the signings starts talking about the needs for controls and how the lockout was needed.

        I just don’t like that owner and his hypocritical views.

    • HabFab says:

      Heard somewhere that he was one of the hardest owners to get on board to do a new CBA. He was looking for salary-rollbacks which the PA was successful in preventing. Although what the blazes is the difference with escrow is hard to explain.

      • formerly known as the hc says:

        A roll back is a loss of income. Escrow is held until all income is counted. I do believe that prior to this most recent lockout, players had all of their escrow, or atleast moat of it returned to them.

        Yeah, I agree re Wild owner. It’s hard to feel sorry for him if he is losing money.

  11. Psycho29 says:

    Hey the beloved Maple Laughs made Sports Illustrated…for all the wrong reasons:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl/news/20130726/toronto-maple-leafs-dave-nonis-contract/

    “First, Tim Leiweke, the president of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, proclaimed to Bloomberg News about 10 days ago that he’s already had the team’s Stanley Cup parade route planned out and that he wanted photos of the franchise’s past greats taken down in Air Canada Center.
    I don’t want the players walking in the hallways of the Air Canada Centre and seeing pictures from 1962,” Leiweke said. “Get rid of those pictures and tell them, this is your legacy.”

    OUCH!

  12. Maritime Ron says:

    There appears to be some questioning of whether or not the 31 players on the NHLPA CBA negotiating committee were/are being blackballed.

    Here is the list, and you can come to your own conclusions:

    Craig Adams (Pittsburgh Penguins)
    Adrian Aucoin (Phoenix Coyotes)
    Alex Auld (Ottawa Senators)
    David Backes (St. Louis Blues)
    Marty Biron (New York Rangers)
    Brad Boyes (Buffalo Sabres)
    Chris Campoli (Montreal Canadiens)
    B.J. Crombeen (St. Louis Blues)
    Mathieu Darche (Montreal Canadiens)
    Rick DiPietro (New York Islanders)
    Shane Doan (Phoenix Coyotes)
    Brandon Dubinsky (New York Rangers)
    Ruslan Fedotenko (New York Rangers)
    Alex Goligoski (Dallas Stars)
    Ron Hainsey (Winnipeg Jets)
    Scott Hartnell (Philadelphia Flyers)
    Jamie Langenbrunner (St. Louis Blues)
    Manny Malhotra (Vancouver Canucks)
    Steve Montador (Chicago Blackhawks)
    Dominic Moore (San Jose Sharks)
    Brendan Morrison (Chicago Blackhawks)
    Douglas Murray (San Jose Sharks)
    *George Parros (Anaheim Ducks)
    Chris Phillips (Ottawa Senators)
    Cory Schneider (Vancouver Canucks)
    John Tavares (New York Islanders)
    Shea Weber (Nashville Predators)
    Kevin Westgarth (Los Angeles Kings)
    Dan Winnik (San Jose Sharks)
    James Wisniewski (Columbus Blue Jackets)
    Henrik Zetterberg (Detroit Red Wings)

    • Timo says:

      Not an unreasonable assumption as far as marginal players on this list are concerned. They are a plenty and if you had a pick you’d go with a guy who would rather play hockey than get involved in union affairs.

    • HabFab says:

      As stated some of these are marginal or older players to boot. The original story had some reporter after the CBA was signed cornering Hainsey and asking if he had heard the story (affirmative). The original story had the PA leading negotiators being blacklisted which were the players listed in my post. Campoli apparently was the most vocal in his criticisms of the owners.
      On the other hand, 15 of those players on your list are without NHL contracts right now which worries me in general but less so after analysis of them individually.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Re Hainsley

        He’s coming off a 5 year $22.5M contract probably still believing he is a Top 4.

        He has zero offense, has slowed down, yet played top 4 by default on a lousy D, non playoff Winnipeg team that has some youngsters coming such as Postma.

        His worth today is around $1.5M per year as he would be a 3rd pair on the vast majority of NHL teams. He blocks shots yet has little physical play and is not good with the puck.

        • HabFab says:

          Don’t get me wrong. I don’t believe he is worth a lot of dinars. I just believe he can still play in the NHL and would HATE to see someone deprived of that for standing up for himself and team mates.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Habfan

            Just perhaps he was holding out for a big/bigger payday, then when the music stopped for the NHL version of UFA musical chairs in a decreasing Cap year, there was no seat for him.

          • HabFab says:

            We have a failure to communicate here.
            Don’t really care about Hainsey the hockey player per say. It is more about the moral issue of Jacobs and his cronies punishing the spokesman of the PA for resisting them.

            PS HabFab not Habfan ;)

  13. habstrinifan says:

    I tried to frame this question in a post fully presented with research etc. I wanted to determine if there is a reasonably urgent and developmentally sound need to do this… or not.

    But that’s just not me.. so an impromptu question.

    Do the HABS absolutely need to solidly inject at least two new prospects into the 2013-2014 lineup. If not maybe you can say why. And if yes maybe you can identify both the position and the affected veteran.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Hi Trin

      It all depends on how you define ‘prospects.’
      Would Tinordi/Beaulieu be considered prospects? Dumont?
      Even though Gallagher (44 games) and Galchenyuk (48 games) played in a shortened season, could they also still be considered as ‘quasi’ prospects?

      Unless there is some huge movement of the present roster forwards, we probably will not see and other prospects up front.

      This still looks like a team in transition where the junior/Euro grads need some important AHL time.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I conside the two G’S as team regulars now.. so they are excluded.

        Prospects are Tinordi Beaulieu type. Up front.. I realy dont know. I dont include outrageous long shots as worthy of consideration for my question.

  14. J Dub says:

    Eklund at HockeyBuzz suggests there is a “lot of speculation” that Montreal is looking for a defenceman from Vancouver to provide “insurance on the Power Play”. I can only imagine this is Edler (who I think the Canucks have been trying to move) or Garrison. I can’t recall with Bieksa gets PP minutes or not (anyone?).

    What would Montreal have to offer that the Canucks need? A third line center? DD? More likely a second-ish line winger –– Bourque? I seriously doubt (hope) Habs wouldn’t move Pleks (Canucks don’t need 1st or 2nd center anyway).

    Anyone have any thoughts how a potential trade like this might shake out? I would say maybe Bourque + D Prospect + 3rd Round For Edler? This would deepen our D nicely, which is especially needed while Emelin recovers.

    • HabFab says:

      We have offered PK and Price for Edler and Luongo. The hold up is Luongo has a NTC and leery of coming to Montreal with it fans and media.

      • J Dub says:

        Haha, yeah I read the insane comments on the Eklund post too. But seriously…

      • habstrinifan says:

        That would be a trade which would hit the 5000 mark in HIO.
        It may even warrant the return of Boone, and Stu and Todd and Brenda etc doing double duty. TSN690 would have to get extra phones etc.

        Let’s do it. The buzz would be tremendous… far outweighing any move any other team could make within the next 12 moonths.

        • J Dub says:

          obviously the Price trade talk is ridiculous. I’m just interested in what types of trades would be *realistic* if, indeed, there are trade talks to bring in a D man.

          • habstrinifan says:

            If MB can trade (Beaulieu) for and sign an Edler type D-Man then I would do it. A solid experienced big D-MAN. I dont however think that that is possible. While I would welcome MB signing a Foster(PHI) type off the UFA I am kinda over that plan at this stage.

            Reason: I believe that Tinordi MUST be placed on this team in 2013-2014. And even if very gradually must become a regular D-MAN by the last 3rd of the season.

            For offensive D.. you have Subban, Markov, Diaz.
            Then you have Gorges, Bouillion, Drewskie, and very likely Emelin. Add Tinordi. And Patyrn and keep an eye on Beaulieu in the AHL. I believe our ‘D’ as listed above is ‘big’ enough and ‘complete’ enough to play the first quarter of the regular season with. We wont beat up anyone physically but we should be able to protect our crease.

            You start the season with this group and start making plans for any changes after your 1st 20 games.

            Unlike many here, I think the HABS greatest need is for a tempo setting gritty durable and effective forward. Parros is not the answer. A ‘more skilled’ Prust would be though. What we had hoped to get in Armstrong maybe.

            While I see the stats that we outscored almost everybody etc, I am not convinced that the HABS up front are comparatively better than the HABS D. And I dont see any farmhand making us so. I still shudder at our top 6 and how they compare to the rest of the league or division even.

            So failing the trade I mention above I would like to bolster our team up front and see what our much touted D prospects can do… to start the season anyways.

            Note I am not in agreement with those who say we should do ‘nothing’ however.

    • Chris says:

      Remember that Gillis said the Canucks must get younger, stronger and bigger.

      If the Canucks move a defenceman, they will want one back. Beaulieu or Tinordi would have to be involved in a trade for Edler, who is an undisputed top-4 defenceman that would be top-pairing on most teams in the league.

      I don’t think the Canucks are looking for centres (they have Henrik Sedin, Ryan Kesler, Maxim Lapierre, and Jordan Schroeder). They are looking for goal scorers, and that is unfortunately not an area where Montreal can help them much.

      I think the Canucks would be asking for Tinordi (who they were VERY high on in his draft year) plus a pick and a prospect. The Habs almost certainly don’t want to part with Tinordi, but Beaulieu could be in play.

      • Timo says:

        “Remember that Gillis said the Canucks must get younger, stronger and bigger.”

        So DD it is then.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Chris

        You may have missed the summer news about Lapierre.
        He signed a 2 year deal with St.Louis @ $1.1M/year.

        http://www.capgeek.com/blues/

        • Chris says:

          I did completely forget about that. So they are in the market for a fourth line centre. Not something they are going to seek via trading a top-pairing PP quarterback. :)

          I wonder if they will give Brendan Gaunce a look this season. He’s already got NHL size (6’2″, 215 pounds) but his problem is that he is slow, and he projects to be a third or fourth line centre. He’s got another year of OHL eligibility, but he’s not really improving down there.

          But he is good defensively and was good at taking faceoffs in the OHL, so he could be worth a look for the Canucks.

      • J Dub says:

        Thanks Chris, good insight. Do you think parting with Tinordi would be the worst? It seems that, in a best case scenario, Tinordi turns into a player as good as Edler, so why not –– Edler’s not that old, though it might cause cap problems.

        • Chris says:

          I love Edler (queue the “That’s because he is Swedish!” criticism), but I wouldn’t part with Tinordi.

          Edler is hands down a better defenceman. He has decent size, he can shoot very well and he’s very mobile. He’s also got a bit of a nasty/dirty streak (as Eric Staal found out at the World Championships this year). In many respects, he plays similarly to Subban.

          But Tinordi fits a need for Montreal. He’s big, defensive and mean. Parting with Tinordi to get Edler is a lateral move. I would rather see them part with Beaulieu, whose one-dimension (offence) is already well in hand with Subban, Edler (if he was the trade target) and Markov/Diaz.

    • Cal says:

      Eklund is an idiot if he believes that the Habs need a Dman for the power play. Does he watch hockey at all?
      A crease clearer, yes.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        My thoughts echoed!

      • J Dub says:

        Yeah, lots of times last year P.K. just played the full two minutes with Markov and Diaz (who was great!) trading off. I wonder if we’ll see this again this year.

      • Chris says:

        Montreal absolutely needs a defenceman who can fill in on the PP. They were using Bouillon on the power play, which is a disaster.

        The idea here is that Markov is going to be dealt at the deadline (if the Habs are not contending) or let go as a UFA next summer (if they are contending). Edler would fill in for Markov, giving Subban a partner on the first-wave PP.

        If Markov or Subban are injured, Montreal is in a world of trouble. The need a player that can log heavy minutes next to Subban, and most crease-clearing defencemen that can do that are not able to play those kind of minutes. Edler could.

        I think Bergevin would love to land Edler, but I don’t think it will happen because the cost will be very, very high and somebody else will be more willing to pay it.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          The team also has Diaz, he is very good on the powerplay, and once Emelin returns, I think they should give him a try on the powerplay.

          Could they use some more help on the powerplay? Sure, which team couldn’t, but this current Habs roster needs some help playing some physical defence in their own end more, IMO.

        • Cal says:

          With Beaulieu and Nygren waiting in the wings? In a word, no.
          Someone sizable who plays like it, please.

          • Chris says:

            The argument here is that Beaulieu would be replaced with Edler, i.e., a known commodity is acquired in exchange for a player with potential.

            Size on the blue line will not help the Habs until they can actually get some willingness from the forwards to play defence. Until that happens, you can load up on the best defencemen in the game and you’re still going to get torched because any player that is allowed to get up a head of steam while skating unimpeded through the neutral zone is going to make defencemen look very, very bad.

          • Cal says:

            @Chris- with the puck pursuit the Habs had last season and the small gap between the backchecking forwards and the D, the problem was that only Emelin hit with any frequency and/or ferocity. All the rest played like little girls excepting Subban and Cube.
            Size on D will help the Habs right now.

          • Chris says:

            Montreal played the Swarm once the puck was in their zone. But their forwards are not much better than the free-wheeling Capitals when it comes to letting the opposing team build up speed through the neutral zone and attack the blue line with speed or, much worse, get a monster run on the defencemen who have absolutely no time to make plays before getting pasted.

            Watch that Ottawa series again and see just how much the Montreal forwards impeded the Senators forwards. It was an absolute joke…junior level defensive performance by most of those forwards, especially Pacioretty/Desharnais and Galchenyuk/Gallagher. They were absolutely brutal at helping their defencemen out by running picks and interference that every other NHL teams routinely runs.

    • I hope the rumours are right, and I’d love to see Edler in a Habs jersey, but I’d be surprised if Vancouver dealt him after signing him to a six-year contract in January. Capgeek says he’s got a no-trade clause as well.

      Vancouver also doesn’t actually have a ton of depth on D after Edler: after Bieksa, Garrison and Hamhuis, it’s Yannick Weber, Frank Corrado and Chris Tanev

      If they do deal him though, I’d guess they’d want something like Eller for their third line and Bournival for the farm, and at that price I wouldn’t be buying. If we could send Beaulieu instead of Eller though, even if we have to tack on a 2nd to sweeten the deal, it would be hard to say no. Edler is a helluva player.

      Picking up Edler also means we can deal Markov — I know he’s aged, but he’s still an elite PP QB, and judging by the $10M over 2 years that Dallas just gave Gonchar (who’s five years older and probably not as good), there’s a big market out there for that skillset.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • J Dub says:

        CautiousOptimist: I agree, I think trading Elder is a bad move from the Canucks’ position, but then again, it’s the Canucks management, and according to this – http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/van130707.html – the Canucks ARE looking to move him (though I have no idea how much stock to put in a report like this).

        I agree, not worth Eller, but maybe throwing in Bourque (who seems not to really have a spot right now, with Prust playing like he is) could upgrade a prospect like Beaulieu, but more likely Tinodri, into an Edler.

        • Bourque would give Vancouver some depth, but If I’m them, I’d rather have a 3rd-line centre who can play top six minutes — they’re really thin at that position after Sedin and Kesler, and one injury could really mess up their lineup as it stands. I bet they could land that centre from some other team if we’re not willing to part with Eller — unless they really like Beaulieu. I wouldn’t deal Tinordi though.

          Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • junyab says:

      I would imagine the price for Edler would highly exceed Bourque, Prospect + 3rd. Edler’s value alone make him worth more than that, but then add on the fact that his contract has him at a very friendly $5mill/yr.

    • J Dub says:

      Trying to find responses to this on Canucks forums is a JOKE. As a habs fan living in Vancouver, I find it hilarious that EVERY Canucks fan has Price going to Vancouver and Luongo going to Montreal –– like they’re just so disconnected from reality.

  15. Ed says:

    I think its quite clear that the 2008 draft and the 2009 draft, which so far has produced 42 games for Leblanc and 13 for Dumont, are right in the center of the argument as to why we lack depth right now.

    I will throw this out there for whatever it’s worth.

    I know Tinordi will be a solid NHL player, and I know Beaulieu will at least become an offensive d-man – at the very least.

    But who’s next in line to break through??

    I like Nygren’s chances, and actually think he could possibly play in the NHL this coming season. I also like Collberg alot, and I think he will be an NHL player once he comes over.

    My favorite pick remains Charles Hudon, and I think he will put up a bunch of points in the AHL and force the Habs to start looking at him as early as next season 2015.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Only reviewing propspects prior to the 2013 draft, I am surprised that you left out the name Bournival.
      I keep reciting an interesting trend on the Bulldogs during the 2013-2013 season which I think is not being paid the merit it’s due.

      While Gallagher was in Hamilton, he and Bournival formed the best Bulldogs line beating out established veterans to become the #1 trio.

      And when Gallagher left to join the HABS and Palushaj came back from injury, it was with Bournival as his linemate that Palushaj experienced his best AHL stint.

      There may not be a place for Bournival on the HABS roster within the next two years or it may take Bournival two more years to become an NHL anywhere (his game is a rather complicated one to integrate into a team as a rookie) but I will lay odds that he will become a solid and NHLer ahead of many on the HABS.

      Hudon is a talent and another player I marvel at. But he is just too small.. sad to say. Unless he successfully does a P.K like weight program.

    • Trollhunter says:

      Patrick holland showed promise near the end of last season. He may need some more time but could be a decent NHLer

  16. HabFab says:

    Campoli resigns in the Swiss League for another season.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I wonder if he is pissed after all the work he did for the NHL PA

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Ed says:

        playing in the Swiss league is not too bad. apartment, a car, $250,000 for a short season, and Switzerland!!, have you ever been there?

        it’s like playing pro hockey in Banff.

      • HabFab says:

        There was talk after the lock out, that the 3 main PA player negotiators were black listed for things they had said to various owners. Hopefully it was only talk.
        Darche couldn’t get a contract so retired. Argument could be made it was time.
        Campoli couldn’t get a contract so went to Europe. Argument could be made that too was appropriate.
        Hainey was on the last year of his contract and is now looking for a new one. IMO he still has some NHL hockey left in him so hopefully the “talk” was just that.

        Notice the Habs connection with those three… must be the Quebec Labor Laws.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I forgot who made the connection but there is an interesting account of how the lead players for the NHLPA in the past dispute have fared in the post lockout signings. Not well.

  17. Habfan10912 says:

    re: Autism, Psy29, Ron
    It’s difficult to write this without tearing up. The tears are not tears of sadness or pain but rather tears of joy.
    My Grandson Mason came into our family in November of 2010. Around the age of 2 we noticed his development lagging behind his peers and a fascination with things that spins such as wheels of his toys.
    My daughter, thankfully not listening to the rest of us who were saying such things in denial as, “Oh, he’s just a little behind.” or “He’s just being stubborn.” She quickly had Mason diagnosed and treatment began immediately.
    Mason has gotten treatment 5 days a week since he was 2, which included, speech and occupation therapy. Along the way we’ve celebrated every new word, every new sentence, every new word read, every new face recognized and watched him grow into a happy smart 3 year old.
    I don’t know about all the medical mombo jumbo or Acupuncture or diets or vitamin shots or whatever else may be available as treatment options.
    Here’s what I do know.
    1. Educate yourself on this disease. The more we learn about the signs and what to look for the better for all concerned.

    2. Early intervention is the key. See step 1. They tell me the brain is pliable and in Mason’s case he now appears to have a similar development of a 3 year old. This would not have been possible without early intervention and aggressive treatment.

    3. Aggressive treatment. Don’t take no for an answer and take advantage of all the therapies available.

    I now have a “Autism Awareness” ribbon on the back of my car. Right next to my “Montreal Canadiens” licence plate.

    • habstrinifan says:

      “not listening to the rest of us who were saying such things in denial”… Great advice to all parents, grandparents to be had from your daughter’s example. Thanks for sharing.

    • Ed says:

      so happy this is working for you!

      “Along the way we’ve celebrated every new word, every new sentence, every new word read, every new face recognized and watched him grow into a happy smart 3 year old”

      fabulous!!

    • L Elle says:

      A great message! And, the happiest ending of all, a healthy and happy child.

      Thanks for sharing Jim.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      That was a wonderful post.
      I work a lot with kids on the Autism spectrum. I find it’s easier for them when the parents and families face the problem and support the child as who he or she is – working with them on strategies for each and every bump the road reveals to them. It’s really hard when the families deny the problem – especially when the parents themselves are clearly on the spectrum and see a lot of avoidable anguish as par for the course.
      I’ve met a lot of really nice kids who were on the spectrum to varying degrees – each with his or her own issues, skills, strengths and weaknesses. I love to see it when one of the strengths is an honest caring and practical family, like Mason has. It’s not easy for these kids, and they need all the support and teaching they can get.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Hey Jim

      Thanks for sharing, and deemed denial when a dearest loved one is involved is far from a fault.

      So good to hear things are going positive, and your insights and recommendations – even if they help just one person reading your heart wrenching experience, were worth that emotional post.
      Bravo for that!
      That took the courage of a big man!

    • Trollhunter says:

      Thanks for the post Habfan. My brother was born in 1977 and was misdiagnosed at a young age with ADD. He has autism. I would definately encourage parents to educate themselves and get 2nd opinions as well.

    • Psycho29 says:

      @Jim:
      Great story with a happy outcome.
      I guess the moral to the story is, never give up the fight…

      Cheers…

  18. jedimyrmidon says:

    Blackhawks formula relies a lot on young players:
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=679037&navid=nhl:topheads

  19. Say Ash says:

    2,500 comments – the Ryan White record is there for the taking!

    • Maritime Ron says:

      From the article

      “…Carey Price the (soon-to-be) 26 year old was rightfully in the Vezina talk for the first two months of the season post lockout. Unfortunately, something happened on the way to the postseason.
      “….the low scoring Canadiens surprised the league by overtaking the favorite Boston Bruins for the top spot in the Northeast Division.”
      ————–
      “Low scoring?”

      If these guys took a few minutes to check their work, they would have noticed that with the exception of Pittsburgh, no Eastern Conference team outscored the Habs during the regular season.

      Our Habs tied Washington for 2nd highest goals scored per game in the East and In the West, only Chicago scored more goals.

  20. Sam Boni says:

    Just stumbled upon a poll question on “Babies InsideOut,”
    Who is the more famous baby this morning, Zoe Olivia Mahan, or Prince George Alexander Louis?

    “Love to resurface”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Great question! Really enjoyed listening to Snedeker after he won the tournament and mentioned that Zoe would be receiving an incredible baby shower gift from him. Seems like a pretty classy winner on the PGA Tour, and honourable mention to his caddie Scott Vail, from Oshawa who is the son of former NHL’er Eric Big Train Vail

    • Psycho29 says:

      I still think that “George Kramer Louis Dreyfus” would have been a much better name for the Prince.

  21. Ian Cobb says:

    Some very fine posts this day here. Responsible ones on pharmaceutical, religion and corruption in society.

    We do have great diversification on the ice here.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    So the Maple Leafs are rumoured to be looking to trade Franson. What is curious about this rumour, is that it is being reported by Dreger whom is related to Dreger. I have heard they are related as brother-in-laws but am not 100% sure of how they are related.

    It is hard for me not to wonder if perhaps Dreger could be helping Nonis on this negotiation by moving information along as Nonis wants it moved. Perhaps i am just to cynical, but wonder if perhaps Dreger shouldn’t almost recuse himself from Maple Leaf rumours. Or maybe the hockey boredom summer has me reaching…. (probably the latter)

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=428504

  23. Lafleurguy says:

    We need an “Extra-Special Olympics” whose athletes are all on PEDs.

    “May you live in interesting times”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I thought we had those in the form of Rocky Movies? Even Stallone himself was jacked up on Roids in order to make those films.

      Morning Andrew, I trust you are doing well my friend!

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Mornin’ Gerald. Thanks for the generous offer to drive to the Summit, and I feel badly that I can’t make it. Golf is enjoyable this year although my game has deteriorated in the past few years. Wonder if you were in the Corey Conacher-hosted tournament? My nickname for the grandkids is “Passport.” We go to places we otherwise wouldn’t. Case in point, first time visit to Mountainside Pool showed what an excellent job they did in renovating it. Had never visited before in 26 years. OK, back to hockey…..Cheers Burly.

        “May you live in interesting times”

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I am 18 years here in Burlington and still haven’t been to the Mountainside Pool, but pass it often on my way home from Beer Store! I was unable to get off work for the Conacher tournament, but my buddy hosted it up at Flamborough, it was a huge success. I play in his large annual tournament tomorrow. Tonight is a pregolf party, and there is a bidding auction for limo ride to tournament and it includes Bobby Baun being in the limo and in your 4some for the day. Should be interesting, as half my foursome is Hab fans and the other half Leaf fans.

          • Sam Boni says:

            We’re both die-hard Habs fans but we both respect the history of the NHL deeply. Fantastic that you’ll get to see Bobby Baun. (Couldn’t find the phone booth I used to change back to my glasses and clothes of my alter-ego. Some klepto with a cape and an “S” on his chest stole them I think.)

            “Love to resurface”

    • Psycho29 says:

      We already tried that….it didn’t work out:

      http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/update-all-drug-olympics/n9691/

      http://www.hulu.com/watch/4090

      (not sure which of these links works best)

  24. Maritime Ron says:

    Good Morning Jim/psy 29

    I was reading with great interest some of the more saddening posts concerning autism and the effects on the young, then how it continues on…and how it has increased along with several forms of cancers and other diseases such as Type II acquired diabetes.

    Of course the powers that be will never blame the total poisonous environment that has been created – and how our food and water supplies have been compromised with pollution, toxins, GMOs, and pesticides that once consumed and over time, have direct effects on DNA and host body molecular structures.

    Then, western medicine (AKA Big Pharma) jumps in and with the exception of few cases, is ready and willing to prescribe more poisons not to cure – but to mask symptoms or at the very least, numb the brain.

    Big Pharma is now a + $1 TRILLION (That’s 1000 Billions) dollar industry worldwide and have their tentacles firmly implanted in the funding of government election campaigns and the FDA in the USA…the same org. that approves drugs.
    How convenient!

    Getting back to treatment, there are alternatives that do not pretend to be cures, yet are much more successful on the whole – one being acupuncture.

    Unfortunately, many have been brainwashed that this form of treatment is ‘quack medicine’ – yet the question to that should be what did people do before the ‘chemical pill’ industry arrived? Acupuncture along with other herbal and natural remedies has existed for over 3000 years.

    Having experienced acupuncture along with several friends and family, it has worked miracles concerning chronic back, hip, neck, or foot issues along with helping some folks out concerning migraines, fibromyalgia (then’s what they call it when they don’t have a clue…) and many other issues.

    You can call it crazy if you wish, yet perhaps exploring other and all avenues of possible cures or making a life more desirable while controlling symptoms could/should be on the priority list.
    What do you have to lose? …and if you do, choose your care giver wisely.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Nice non-hockey post M.Ron.

      “May you live in interesting times”

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      All I ask is that any remedy be tested independently (including pharmaceuticals) and scientifically. Acupuncture may work – homeopathy is fraud. My neighbour was giving belladonna to her kids to stop them from crying, since it was natural. You have to keep a clear head and a critical eye, all around.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        On a separate matter, thanks CHFan for clearly articulating how many of us who are fans of Carey have had our confidence in him shaken. (notice the pun on “CH?”)

        “May you live in interesting times”

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Exactly…and as mentioned ” choose your care giver wisely.”

        And if you want to know about ‘independently approved pharmaceuticals’ go no further than read about how “Aspartame” was approved with the lovely Monsanto and then former Searle CEO…Donald Rumsfeld combo – yes, THAT Donald Rumsfeld, and how they worked their ‘ political magic’ to get that outright poison approved when all scientific documentation at that time said nothing positive (putting it mildly)

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-gennet/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581.html

        • Chris says:

          Aspartame is one of the most heavily studied food additives in recent history. While there are definitely some red flags (especially for people with phenylketonuria), the body of scientific evidence supports that it remains safe when used as it presently is.

          Aspartame is almost certainly many orders of magnitude safer for human consumption than alcohol, which is known to cause cancer through a number of different pathways, and is also linked to a negative health effects in just about every system of the human body.

          Aspartame approval is the least of my worries, to be honest.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Chris
            While we see eye to eye on several hockey items, we may have to agree to disagree on this one (aspartame) as perhaps the ‘evidence’ you may have read is supported by….unfortunately in my earlier career – almost very unfortunately, I have seen close up how the process works and while there is much good, there are also incredible issues of corruption and abuse of power via money.

            As for alcohol, a dirty martini (olive juice) or a few glasses of red wine (antioxidants) will never kill anyone.
            Abuse is another issue as it is with anything else.

          • Chris says:

            Ron: a single Diet Coke is unlikely to kill anybody either, unless they have PKU. In that case, there are a host of common foods that could kill them, so I discount that somewhat.

            Somebody who drinks 1 Diet Coke a day is probably not going to see much difference health wise from somebody who drinks 1 can of beer per day.

            As you say, abuse is the biggest issue. In the case of aspartame, the abuse comes about when people drink 5 or 6 cans of Diet Coke per day because it is “calorie free”. Too much of anything is bad for you.

            That being said, I maintain that the troubles caused by casual consumption of alcohol dwarf those of casual consumption of aspartame, and there is a vast catalogue of scientific studies and clinical trials that prove this.

            The aspartame evidence I have seen is based on the hundreds of clinical trials performed by academics and medical practitioners in a host of universities. There are of course problems, as there are with a whole host of other foods and food additives. But I’m not a conspiracy theorist when it comes to the FDA, the European Food Safety Agency or Health Canada. When pretty much every industrialized country in the world allows something, it is generally pretty safe.

            They don’t mess around. When bisphenol-A was found to be problematic under certain circumstances, regulators moved quickly to squish it over the protests of the powerful chemical manufacturers.

            There could be a time when the scientific evidence causes us to rethink the use of aspartame. The European Food Safety Agency is scheduled to release a new scientific opinion on the topic in November 2013. But it is simply incorrect to say that the scientific evidence that we presently have in hand supports the notion of aspartame as a dangerous chemical when used according to manufacturer’s specifications.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Chris
            Nice to exchange with you and we can perhaps go on forever, yet 1 small example you should look into is the use of Monsanto GMOs in North America vs. what is going on in Europe and some former Iron Curtain countries.
            The bottom line is that you can’t screw with nature without repercussions and that includes injecting livestock and fowl.

            As for modern day medicine, I don’t discount what has been accomplished and do not long for the olden days, yet there should be both perspective and balance.

            Ex: If one has acid reflux, why take pills when a tablespoon of unpasteurized apple cider vinegar cures the problem in 5 minutes.
            Garlic, almonds, cold pressed virgin olive oil….

            One last thing:
            If you can’t read or pronounce what’s on a label, don’t consume it.

          • Chris says:

            Most people can’t pronounce α-(5,6-dimethylbenzimidazolyl)cobamidcyanide. But I will assure everybody that its consumption is not only a good idea (despite those rather evil terms like methyl, benzi, and especially cyanide!), it is absolutely necessary to your survival. :)

            Regarding GMO’s: We’ve been screwing with Nature since the dawn of humanity. Almost every food that we eat is a hybrid that has been artificially selected through our agricultural processes.

            I’m not sure why people are comfortable drawing a line between plant breeding, where species that normally wouldn’t cross-pollinate due to geographic separation, for example, are crossed to produce improved yields or climate resistance, versus genetic modification, where those hybrid plants are produced at the genetic level instead of through physical cross-breeding. I think that many people who are against GMO’s don’t necessarily have a strong understanding of the genetic games we have played with the “non-GMO” foods.

            I would suggest that people look at the evolutionary history of corn/maize to see just how native corn is. The evolution of cattle from which we get our beef is another great example…the “natural” version (the Aurochs) became extinct almost 400 years ago. All that is left now are descendants that have been selectively bred for desirable traits for centuries, often with animals that they could not have ever run into in the wild due to non-overlapping ranges.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Thanks Ron….great post…

      My nephew became ill about a year and a half ago, stopped eating, complained about pain, but couldn’t specify where it hurt. Months in hospital, weight loss, all kinds of tests. They couldn’t find what was wrong.
      Finally a specialist narrowed it down to Mastoiditis, an infection that attacks the soft bone behind the ears. A procedure and antibiotics did the job and he’s back to his old self now.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        A woderful end! Thank God for that specialist!!!

        Did a quick read
        ” Mastoiditis is usually caused by untreated acute otitis media (middle ear infection) and used to be a leading cause of child mortality. With the development of antibiotics, however, mastoiditis has become quite rare in developed countries where surgical treatment is now much less frequent and more conservative, unlike former times. Untreated, the infection can spread to surrounding structures, including the brain, causing serious complications.”

    • Chris says:

      Life expectancy has continued to increase and infant mortality has also been decreasing over the past 50 years.

      There is no question that there are more cases of certain diseases, including some childhood cancers and autism. Discovering just why that is has been elusive…there is no definitive answer as of yet.

      But people who pine for the “good old days” of natural medicine are deluding themselves. The “good old days” were not that good. More people died, more people were maimed and more people suffered than what we do today.

      Are alternative medical practices worthwhile? Sure, if you think they are. The placebo effect alone makes a lot of treatments worthwhile, and some of these treatments have real, physical outcomes that are beneficial to the patient. Acupuncture, chiropractics, homeopathy (if done properly)…all can be useful complements to pharmaceutical based medicine. Note that I said complements, and not replacements.

  25. habstrinifan says:

    An introductory paragraph about the Pope’s remarks in Brazil from the CNN.COM article.

    “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” he said. He also said women should have a bigger role in the church.

    Amazing I think.. in a good way.

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    In light of the Biogenesis scandal currently attracting the headlines MLB, here is Larry Brooks latest article related to PED’s and hockey. I think there is probably more use in the NHL than many believe, as the money in pro hockey is big and with that comes players willing to make all kinds of sacrifices (good or bad) in order to help get at that money.

    I think it will be interesting to watch what kind of a year many of the “Superstars” have this upcoming season. With it being an Olympic year, this will be the most stringest tests the NHL players come across.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/legit_reason_to_believe_nhl_strong_h9fvMXpd5KkjmLo53LR2SJ

    • Phil C says:

      I find it hard to believe it is not wide-spread in the NHL. There was an ex-NHLer on the radio in Ottawa last year who said when he played in Europe, PEDs were rampant in the KHL. When you consider how many NHLers played in the KHL, its not hard to connect the dots. Like MLB before the McGuire and Sosa scandal, I think the NHL is happy to keep its head in the sand.

    • Cal says:

      One thing that stands out above all is the lesson that cheaters prosper. The NHL, NFL, and MLB are filled with cheats. Prosperous cheats.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        I agree with you Cal, and it’s a sad reality. Two excellent PED’s coming down the pipeline are AICAR and GSW 1516, so the prosperity extends to the drug companies who are corporate entities inexplicably respected more than oil companies despite the fact both produce products essential to modern living albeit with a lot of taint. All drugs have a performance “enhancement” attribute otherwise, what’s the point in taking them?

        “May you live in interesting times”

      • Phil C says:

        Not so sure about that. Many of these guys will have a price to pay with their health in their 50s and 60s.

  27. habstrinifan says:

    @Mavid.. not being inquisitive but did you purchase your 5th wheel used in Orleans. My neighbour just sold theirs. Be a funny coincidence.

  28. 25insight says:

    Good morning all. Here’s a hilarious thread I found on Reddit detailing the trades various teams wish they had never made. Scroll down to see what a Canadiens fan wrote:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1j8toa/what_trade_do_you_wish_never_happened/

    Also, if you have the time, subscribe to Reddit and its Subreddit, r/hockey. Some great posts in there!

  29. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! @Mavid – You have me laughing so hard over your comment yesterday at 3:16. For both you and your husbands sake I hope you find that Chick place he’s looking for. CHeers and thanks for the laugh.

  30. Timo says:

    Barely over 100 posts since last night. You boys and girls are taking time off or something? I am not even mentioned that nobody’s fighting no one etc… This site needs some life injected into it.

  31. Small_Town_Boy says:

    For the Know It Alls here.

    In the past 10 seasons with the teams the Habs have had what goalie would have brought a Cup Home?

    Dat’s wha me tinks

    • The Cat says:

      Im going to say Khabibulin for one, because TB was a seriously flawed defensive team (except for Dan Boyle), because of TB’s very aggressive fore checking, they gave up A LOT of odd man rushes and quality scoring chances. Whereas Price, if the team doesnt turtle around him and block shots, he doesnt have a good game.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Bill J says:

        KHabibulin may have had a defensively flawed team in front of him, but he also had the offensive juggernaut the Lightning were.

        As for your analysis of Price, it’s as flawed as your first opinion.


        Go Habs Go!

        • The Cat says:

          My analysis of Price hasnt changed in many years here at HIO as you personally know Bill. At first there were many who insulted me, called me crazy, didnt know hockey etc…Funny how that segment is all but non existent today. In fact, more people see it my way than yours.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • patrice brisebois says:

            Please provide of list of these “more people” who see it your way. I’ll take the analysis of hockey Canada over yours,they are much more credible and know much more about hockey then you ever will.

          • The Cat says:

            The Hockey Canada bureaucracy has only one concern -not getting sued.

            [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  32. W.M.C.W. #1 says:

    A Goalie should be able to steal the odd game that’s pretty much a given.. Other than that. He’s as good as the team in front of him. If you think the Habs were as good as the Blackhawks. They have nothing to show for it. That’s how crawford got his ring. His team. Not saying he wasn’t good. But the overall team had the biggest part in winning the cup.

  33. frontenac1 says:

    Stacked? Reminds me of a gal in high school. Oh boy, wow. When does hockey start again?

  34. Maritime Ron says:

    savethepuck writes…
    “Saw the discussion below comparing Crawford to Price. I guarantee you that if Mark Bergevin calls Stan Bowman and offers to trade Price for Crawford straight up, Bowman gets up, starts dancing, licking his chops and tries to figure out if he has the CAP space.”
    —————————-
    Far from being a Price disliker, here is respectfully disagreeing while taken actual individual performance and some tough realities into consideration.

    1) Why would Bowman trade “Proven” for “Potential”?
    Crawford was basically lights out and ‘proved’ mental toughness in the playoffs posting a .932 SP and 1.84 GAA that was accomplished against Minny-Detroit-LA-Boston.
    In the 6 game Boston final, and in 5 of his 6 games, he posted SPs between .920-.960….that’s called ‘performing’ under pressure.

    2) Bowman was part of 2 Cup wins were goaltenders were not a costly part of the Cap Equation. This time with Crawford, his Cap hit was $2,666,667 as it will be next season.
    When Niemi wanted bigger money after the 2010 Cup win and was awarded an Arbitration ruling of $2.75M, Chicago walked away and Niemi became a UFA.
    3 years later, another Stanley Cup win for the Hawks with another goaltender.

    3) The Hawks room has a Salary/Cap Hit pecking order.
    All of Kane, Toews, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith and everyone else would now be passed by Price’s $6.5M.
    Perhaps if Price had already been a very Major part of Cup winning teams such as Patrick was in 1986-93, there would be no problem. So besides a great World Junior and terrific AHL Calder Cup run, Price has yet to prove much in the NHL playoffs when it really counts.

    Those are the facts and realities to date that cannot be ignored.

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      Put Carey Price on a stacked team & see what he would do …

      Dat’s wha me tinks

      • The_Truth says:

        I saw a guy like Reimer or Bobrovsky and saw what they could do behind far from a stacked team.

        If a stacked team is the criteria for a goalie to succeed, then we certainly don’t need Price and his 6.5 million dollar salary.

      • tophab says:

        put me on a stacked team

      • W.M.C.W. #1 says:

        Price was on a stacked team. Ottawa stacked them pretty good in the playoffs. I remember the moen and neil fight. Neil was slappin him like a school kid and decided to let him go.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Crawford had a better defence in front of him in the playoffs, but the opponents in front of him were better too. Ottawa were the weakest offensive team in the playoffs (they were actually 27th in the whole league). Crawford was facing Boston and LA, and robbing guys like David Krejci and Jeff Carter. Price was getting lit up by Jean-Gabriel Pageau.

      Is Price better than Crawford technically? Probably. But he wasn’t better than him in the Spring of 2013.

      • Small_Town_Boy says:

        Price will make the Haters eat Crow very very soon!

        Dat’s wha me tinks

        • CharlieHodgeFan says:

          Haters? Get real.

          It is altogether possible to look at Carey Price critically without hating him. As a goalie, he has yet to deliver. Since he’s the Habs goalie, I hope he delivers soon. It would be nice.

          I don’t hate the guy. In fact I hope for the best for him. Right now, I have no confidence in him and strongly suspect he will not develop to his potential. Am I hater for that? Or do you need to add a bit to your vocabulary (because I do hate the throwing around of the word “hater”. It makes the person who writes it look like a little kid).

          • Small_Town_Boy says:

            He needs a freakin team in front of him. Some D who can clear the net & rebounds are a start!

            Dat’s wha me tinks

        • The_Truth says:

          Again, if its all about the D, then why are we paying Price 6.5 million again?

          We have seen many examples of goalies doing great things without a top defense. If Price is unable to, then he isn’t worth his salary or his stature IMO.

          It is time to put up or shut up, no more living on potential BS anymore

          • tophab says:

            the team needs a reliable goalie behind them price just gives way to many soft goals.

  35. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Photos from the Brendan Gallagher signing session in Langley, BC, July 20th 2013: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151650277197737.1073741844.25283307736&type=3

    …and video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LeWm1okRQg&feature=c4-overview&list=UUHjeKCZ6SQTAikZ_jtF9hog

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    Bring Back Boone !!!

    Petition to cancel August !

    …and, last, but not least: FREE Evgeny Malkin !!!

  36. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @ Chris

    …an article written by Patrick Brown You may be interested to read: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/24/f-vp-brown-snowden-russia-china.html

    • HabFab says:

      Hard to say what he was thinking once he started running. Maybe at the end of the day he went to the two countries that wouldn’t turn him over to the Americans upon pressure. I don’t think either of them appreciated it.

  37. savethepuck says:

    Saw the discussion below comparing Crawford to Price. I guarantee you that if Mark Bergevin calls Stan Bowman and offers to trade Price for Crawford straight up, Bowman gets up, starts dancing, licking his chops and tries to figure out if he has the CAP space.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  38. frontenac1 says:

    @mavid. Don’t ask me ,the cops keep snuffing my suggestions. Just don’t do anything you’d think I would do. Ok? Saludos !

  39. JohninTruro says:

    Check out the closer look on Morgan Ellis on the Bulldog website:

    http://hamiltonbulldogs.com/pressbox/news/?article_id=424

  40. frontenac1 says:

    Jeeze the cops here must have had the fear of God put into them at church today. They snuffed me and I didn’t even cuss! Have a great trip Mavid. Saludos!

  41. Mavid says:

    We just purchased a 5th wheel, we are planning to spend 3 weeks out East..the 2 top things on my husbands list are..Cabot Trail and eating at the Chick a Lick, or Lick a Chick..whatever the hell its called..seriously..any suggestions of places to go and see, anyone know of any good campgrounds were we can park our new beast?

    • JohninTruro says:

      Hi Mavid, all kinds of great things. Have you been here before, and if so what have you seen already?

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      MacLeod’s Beach and Campsite near Inverness has everything you will require for a Cape Breton vacation. Make sure you see the old Cabot Trail……give a search on the web for Macleods Beach and Campsite.

      Enjoy your time there. Loads to see.

      Cliff

    • Ron says:

      Mary what are you planning to haul the 5th with. Make sure your hubby has added the proper cooling rads for the trailer hauling. The Cabot Trail is a tough one.

    • The Cat says:

      Last time I asked for suggestions, I ended up at a gay nude beach…

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • SmartDog says:

      Things to do in Nova Scotia:
      1. Eat a donair (yum! I have one per trip!)
      2. Go to Frenchies
      3. Go deep sea fishing (not expensive and fun!)
      4. Go whale watching
      5. Eat deep fried clams… mmmmm…
      6. Catch live music – a lot of fiddles and acoustic stuff in Cape Breton. Just ask around.
      7. Fall off the Cabot Trail. Just kidding. Don’t fall off. Really. Not a good idea.
      8. Buy lobster right off the dock. There are places you can do this – fresh as can be and easy to cook yourself.
      9. Golf. Cape Breton with its amazing scenery has fantastic courses – including one rated the best public course in Canada.
      10. Drink. Go to the whiskey tasting lunch at the Glenora distillery or just stop anywhere and ask for something local. And hang out and enjoy the people. Real characters – lots of fun.

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      • Bash says:

        #1 thing to do in Nova Scotia…

        Take the ferry to Newfoundland and Labrador!!! :)

        “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Mc says:

      If you go to Cape Breton, try to visit the Fortress of Louisbourg, a wonderful combination of restoration and ruins…….

      Enjoy your trip.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Mavid, most people drive right past Alma N.B. and Funday Nat. Park on their way to Cape Breton, PEI, and NS. The Bay of Funday have the highest tides in the world plus a lot more to see.
      My Ranch was inland from the bay, between Sussex and Moncton a village called Salisbury. Home of the Silver Fox!

    • 25insight says:

      chick-a-fil…

      *Moms

  42. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why does Corey Crawford get so little respect? He was outstanding in the playoffs. I know he had a good team in front of him but so did Price folks. Crawford maintained a .935 sv % in the playoffs, and was consistently solid and sometimes spectacular.

    I would pick Crawford as starter for Team Canada. He’s shown he can handle the pressure.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Crawford is indeed a bonafide excellent goalie, and should be the favourite going into Olympic camp. As for the part where you compare the Hawks as a good team in front of him the same as the Habs team in front of Price, I am guessing you watched less games this past season than I thought.

      But then again, you have wanted Price traded out of town for some time now. ;-)

      • mksness says:

        crawford has flaws in his game. he’s alright. i don’t like looking at playoff numbers only because in honesty the hockey changes, fewer penalties and defence systems for the most part are in play. i still think price is a better goalie.

        but stop with the better team already line excusing price from not playing well. if that’s the case, ship him out, get a cheaper goalie and improve the D

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Crawford had an All-Star team in front of him compared to what Price had.

    • mksness says:

      i would pick luongo as my starter and price as my backup. However, it really all depends on who is hot going into the final days before teh roster has to be provided

    • commandant says:

      “I know he had a good team in front of him but so did Price folks.”

      Lets be real here, the 2013 Chicago Blackhawks and 2013 Montrea Canadiens are not anywhere close to equivalent teams. Ray Emery went 17-1-0 behind those same Blackhawks.

      I like Crawford but lets not pretend that the time in front of him is the same as the team in front of Price.

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    • Phil C says:

      When Crawford was Price’s age, he went 0-4 in the AHL playoffs with Rockford and a .871 save percentage.

  43. pmaraw says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0R0zPnrKPs more conspiracy this time regarding aliens

    here’s the wiki page on the guy saying there’s aliens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell

  44. ClutchNGrab says:

    On Mark Fraser from TSN.ca:

    According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, the Maple Leafs are offering Fraser $855,000 per year while the restricted free agent has requested $2 million per season.

    Really?? Last years’s 45 games now represent 30% of his total nhl games. How these agents come up with those numbers remains a mystery to me.

  45. habstrinifan says:

    I see the topic of P.K. is back. Good stuff. I was really impressed on two occasions I saw P.K discussing the Norris trophy, he talked as if the next ‘natural step’ for his team is the Stanley Cup. He seems to have made it a goal for next year. And I dont see it as daydreaming.

    • Mavid says:

      Norris Trophy winning PK Subban..thats his name

      • Clay says:

        That has a nice ring to it.
        I’d like to see similar titles adorn some other Habs’ names in the future…for example:
        Rocket Richard winner Max Pacioretty
        Hart Trophy winner Alex Galchenyuk
        Selke winner Tomas Plekanec
        Vezina winner Carey Price (Zachary Fucale?)
        Conn Smythe winner Brendan Gallagher

        I’d be good with just the last one, and with any Habs player winning it ;)

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  46. habsfan0 says:

    46 days to training camp.
    NFL camps underway.
    What happened to summer?

  47. SmartDog says:

    Hi-Ho HIOers!

    Totally ON TOPIC this morning for a change…. if you haven’t read this article about Price and the choice of goaltender for the olympics it’s worth a read:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1718339-will-montreal-canadien-carey-price-make-canadas-olympic-team

    SD

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    • Sportfan says:

      I think with a new goal coach who actually knows what goaltending is will make a huge difference for Carey this could be a very good season for him.

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    • The_Truth says:

      Right now I think it is a pretty easy pick that Luongo is the starter and Crawford/Price would be the 2 & 3. In past Olympics we have seen how much weight the first half of the season means to selections and I think it is pretty open. Those first 40 games will tell the tale and like the author said, Cam Ward could certainly be in the mix if he has a big first half. Even Fleury has a shot if he plays lights out.

      • SmartDog says:

        ha ha… Fleury and lights out in the same sentence made me think of the power outage we just went through. It’s the only way I could put the two together.

        ————————————-
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        • The_Truth says:

          Ya, very unlikely. He seems to have totally lost his game the past few years and it’s hard to imagine he will ever be a top goalie again.

  48. 24 Cups says:

    What a smart move by RBC to sponsor pro golfers and then stipulate that they must play in the Canadian Open. This tournament usually struggles to draw a strong field but now have players such as Els, Furyk, Mahan, McDowell, Donald, Snedeker and Kuchar in the field. They also sponsor the top four Canadian pros.

    It’s too bad their first move is lay off thousands of employees once their yearly profit margin goes down by just a fraction.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      If they didn’t stipulate that, we would not see a top 50 player.
      The PGA really screwed Canada.
      They gave us a date 1 week after The Open on another continent 5 time zones away, 1 week before the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational, and 2 weeks before the last Major-the PGA.

      This was a great tournament once upon a time dating back to 1904 with some great past winners such as Sam Snead, Hagen, Byron Nelson, Littler, Tom Weiskopf, Trevino, Greg Norman, Curtis Strange, Nick Price, Jim Furyk…now we have David Lingmerth(?) playing in the final group – Jason Bohn in the 2nd to last group, Kyle Stanley in the 3rd to last group…

  49. habs001 says:

    PK will get signed as he is the type of player you need to win the cup….But for me all of the regular season awards this season are questionable as the sched was only 48 games and no cross over conference play…

    • mksness says:

      you could make the argument that the cross over play could increase point totals. it’s a bit harder to prepare for a team you see once/twice a year. not saying take games off but i’m willing to bet more prep time goes in towards in division games.

  50. Sportfan says:

    Man to bad Pierre Dagenais didn’t work out he was 6’5 !

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  51. 24 Cups says:

    Ed brought up an interesting train of thought yesterday when he said that he would like to see MB make some dramatic or significant moves to vault the team into the top eight of the league. That maybe the 3-5 year steady as she goes build through the draft isn’t always the best plan. I thought it might be interesting to see what really went on in the NHL this summer in terms of player movement and what the Habs might have had to do in order to be part of these transactions.

    UFAs – This is basically like a cookie jar where teams get to bring in new players without giving up any assets (except cap space). Every team overpays and term can sometimes be just as important as coin. Montreal signed Briere to replace Cole/Ryder. Not really a significant move. I would have looked at two players – MacArthur and Lapierre (once again, not significant moves). MacArthur would have been Ryder’s replacement while Lapierre would play on the 4th line with Moen and White. I realize there’s a lot of baggage here with Laps but I still would make this move. Laps might be a bargain basement buy instead of the expensive contracts that went to Gordon and Cullen. He’s also a significant upgrade on the undersized Dumont. The question for HI/O members is which player would you have signed now that you know the basic term and dollar value of the deal?

    Trades – Schneider & Bernier were both moved. Montreal obviously wouldn’t partake in these deals but it does show you what it takes to move up into the top ten of the draft. None of this Kristo, Weber and 3rd rounder crap that wastes so much time of our time on this site. The two biggest deals involved Seguin/Eriksson and Ryan. Lesser but still important moves centred around Perron and Clutterbuck. These are real transactions that show the true value of the players involved. Personally, I would have traded for Frolik to replace Ryder. The cost would have been a 2nd and a 5th which basically would be Lehkonen and Reway. That’s fine by me. So the second question is what realistic deal would you have made to help dramatically improve the Habs? What would Montreal have to give up to bring in a player such as Perron or Clutterbuck? What about Bobby Ryan?

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Nice post

      Perhaps the reality of the situation is that for a team to make those big trades, it needs to know what it has and ready to make that next step.
      The team also needs depth, prospects, and draft picks.

      We are just starting to build some org depth unlike where Ottawa stood with the Bobby Ryan trade.

      When other GMs call Bergevin, there are only a few names on their list: Subban, Galchenyuk, Eller, and perhaps a few others.
      For now, that is our core and unless the assets coming back were greater, trading these fellas is a step backwards.

      We may be in that position in 2014-15

    • HabFab says:

      Steve, next season the Cap should go up $5 ml. Send Drew to Hamilton and MB has $30 ml to work with. PK will take a quarter of that but still lot’s to work with.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Frank – Based on your numbers, that means the Habs will have 22.5M. First question, do they re-sign Markov and Gionta, both +35 players? Secondly, what kind of coin will they have to give to UFAs such as Eller, Emelin and Diaz? You then factor in a 23 man roster, bonus money (using the 1/3 formula!) and an injury cushion of say around 1M. Once that is all worked out, the team will know what it really has left to spend.

        • mksness says:

          i think you have to keep markov. he’s still a productive player. hopefully his minutes will be better managed.

          gionta is an interesting one. i think this all depends on how well gally does this year. gally may run into a slup or take a step back which could change their plans on gionta. but if i had to bring gionta back it would be for 2 years at 3.5 per.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          As of this very moment for 2014-15, we have 14 players under contract and $24M in Cap Space

          RFAs are Subban and Eller, and if Lars progresses, those 2 alone will cost us around $12M leaving about $12M to fill between 4-7 roster spots.

          UFAs include Gionta, Markov, Emelin, Diaz……or trade or other UFA equivalents.
          We won’t be out of the Cap Ceiling woods.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Ron – I think Frank was including an extra 5-6M based on the cap rising.

            That increase appears to be a given based on the positive increase in all forms of revenue streams. I’m not sure when CBC’s contract comes up for renewal. That should be very interesting on many fronts.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Cups
            Tks-got it

        • HabFab says:

          Beaulieu, Pateryn and Leblanc = $3 ml
          Eller, Emelin and Diaz = $10 ml
          PK = $7.5 ml
          A no on Gio and either Markov or Diaz.
          Bonus and spare = $2 ml
          $7.5 ml for 2 players

          • mksness says:

            leblanc? you really still have this guy in the habs plans? he’s an undersized 3rd or 4th line player.

            eller is the interesting one in my mind. people are calling him as our number one center. would have to think that would cost more than 5.5m a year.

            i still think you need to include markov as well. will depend on his health though

          • HabFab says:

            Leblanc is either there or replaced by someone else.
            Eller will never be a number 1 center, a good #2 like Pleks and definitely not worth $5.5 ml. If he becomes that good, I will happily and willingly eat raw crow.
            Markov is indeed a question. In my post, said either he or Diaz.

    • JUST ME says:

      The timing for some dramatic or significant moves as you say is almost there. Towards the end of the coming season or in the off season i think this will be the right time to make important changes. There are many veterans coming at the end of their deal so we may decide to let them go and replace them or we might also try to get something in return ,Gionta,White Markov,Bouillon…

      Add to this a few trades and the habs will have a totally different roster . Difference with the Gainey era is that the core will be built around youngsters and that the farm team will continue to supply players to the big team year after year. In a cap era it will be even more precious. So yes there would be important changes but with a plan in mind .


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