Subban and Eller file for salary arbitration

(File photo: Allen McInnis /The Gazette)

Canadiens defenceman P.K. Subban and forward Lars Eller are among 20 NHL players who have filed for salary arbitration.

The hearings are scheduled from July 20 to Aug. 4 in Toronto, according to the NHL Players’ Association, which released the list late Saturday afternoon after the filing deadline.

Players and teams can continue to negotiate until an arbitration hearing. And, as The Gazette’s Pat Hickey has noted in the past, players who file for arbitration typically reach a deal before they have to present their case.

Subban and Eller are restricted free agents.

The Canadiens’ contract talks with Subban aren’t expected to be easy because of the big pay hike the 25-year-old defenceman is headed towards. Subban signed a two-year, $5.75 million deal with the Habs in January 2013 after missing training camp because of the contract dispute. He went on to win the Norris Trophy that season as the NHL’s top defenceman.

Eller, 25, earned $1.5 million this past season–his fourth with the Canadiens. He posted totals of 12-14-26 in 77 games. He was second in scoring for the Habs during their deep playoff run with 13 points, just behind Subban who led the team with 14.

If a player opts for salary arbitration–and if it goes to a hearing–the club can ask for a one or two-year salary-arbitration award.

The arbitration route also excludes the possibility of offer sheets from other clubs.

For the full list of players opting for salary arbitration click here.

 

696 Comments

  1. B says:

    Subban’s filing for arbitration puts a deadline on negotiations so this won’t be able to drag on into the next season. We won’t have to go through a holdout which often happens when Meehan is involved in big contract negotiations.

    If they can’t sign him to a reasonable contract before his arbitration hearing, then take the 2 year arbitration settlement and trade him while they can (ie: rather than letting him walk for nothing after). I don’t want to see him go, but I think it would be worse to see him go for nothing. Hopefully they can reach a reasonable deal before it gets to that.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • Max_a_million says:

      True

      They have to sign him long term, just for the fact that other teams would, and he will be worth more in two years.

      MB is just trying to squeeze every penny that he can along the way. I’ve heard 6.5 million from MB and 9.5 million from PK. I am betting 8.5 is the end middle ground.

      • B says:

        (6.5 + 9.5) / 2 = 8

        $8M would give Subban the highest average salary among NHL D men. I like him, but that seems a bit high to me.

        An 8 year $60M ($7.5M per) seems good to me, but it would not be the end of the world if they went as high as $8M per. $7.5M per would put him a hair behind Suter as the 3rd highest average salary among Dmen which seems very generous for an RFA. It is also very similar to the Doughty deal if you factor in the increase in the Cap since Doughty signed his deal.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • Max_a_million says:

          I’m guessing 8.5 million. he’s young, won a Norris, and you are asking for lots of years from him. Doughty signed 3 years ago. Salary cap has gone up, and looks to go up more in the future. My guess is 8.5, and you don’t let PK walk over .5 million.
          It will seem like a bargain in 5 years.

          • B says:

            Keith ($5.5M per) has won 2 Norris trophies. Karlsson ($6.5M per) won it the season before Subban. Neither of them makes anywhere near $8.5M per (no Dman does).

            $7.5M per does cover the increase in the cap since Doughty signed for $7M per over 8 years.

            I guess we don’t quite see eye to eye on this. There is obviously an understandable range of opinion here. Cheers!

            –Go Habs Go!–

  2. Lafleurguy says:

    Weaver, 2 in. taller than Bouillon, and Gilbert, 2 in. taller than Gorges, have increased the size of the defense. Parenteau is 5 in. taller than Gionta, and Malhotra is 2 in. taller than White. A potential “downgrade” would be the 2 inch shorter Tokarski subbing in for Budaj (wink).

    • Habbergasted says:

      Surprised there is no news on the backups yet.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Wanted to add that Gilbert had better numbers in Fort Lauderdale than Weaver:
      Gilbert – 73 3 25 28 -5
      Weaver(Fla.) – 55 0 6 6 -9
      Weaver(Mtl.) – 17 1 6 7 9
      Hopefully, Gilbert thrives in Fort Habitants like Weaver did for 17 reg. season games, and elevates his game in the playoffs like the older vet. did.

    • Max_a_million says:

      Gilbert plays less tough than Gorges, but the hope is he moves the puck up and we need less toughness.
      Bouillon is pretty rugged.
      Malhotra plays less tough than White, but he wins faceoffs and is big enough to handle himself.
      Height isn’t the only stat to consider.
      It is very true that we are in the end bigger and stronger when it comes to players who will actually play yes. Especially if Tinordi is given regular minutes. Could use McCarron to mature into someone who can play in the league as well.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Without Parros and Murray in the line-up, Boston may resort to their old ways. Didn’t want to see Gorges go, but surprised he only had 12 PIM’s.

        • Max_a_million says:

          True, but I think the focus now is on Eller and PK. Secondly seeing what the Sekac and Larose have and maybe the Russian kid. We need to know if we need a 2nd line right winger or if there is a chance a kid could fill that role.

          Once the money is allotted to these three issues, then we can find muscle on the free agency heap pretty cheap. Just have to settle priorities in a logical order.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Going to mow the lawn but thanks for the chat. Enjoyed it. Will check on this site for more thoughts on the free-agent fellow and others. And by the way, a million is probably smaller than the gap between the two sides on both RFAs.

        • Max_a_million says:

          Have a good day! chat me up anytime.

  3. SmartDog says:

    ….from an article about Parenteau posted by @hansolo below.

    “P.A. Parenteau, while certainly an imperfect player, was not part of the Avs’ biggest problem. Short of Paul Stastny… no Avalanche forward impacted puck possession more positively than Parenteau. Beyond that, Parenteau scored 14 goals and 19 assists in 55 games. So, it’s something of a shame for the Avs that coach Patrick Roy couldn’t find a space for him moving forward. Parenteau is a Montreal Canadien now; Colorado sent him to the Habs, along with a fifth-round pick, for forward Daniel Briere, who had nine less points than Parenteau in 14 more games and worse possession numbers in easier minutes.”

    It looks like MB used a Jedi Mind Trick on Sakic and Roy for this one. “…this player is of no use to us. Briere is the one we want.”

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      By the way, that translates to 21 over the course of a full season, and when you add it that he is likely to see more ice time than Roy allowed, I would not be the least bit surprised to see 24 or 25 goals from him.

    • Max_a_million says:

      They didn’t like him and they save 4 million and a season that they will need for their young studs. Yes MB did great, but Colorado got what they wanted. The best part was MB having his finances in order and being on the forefront to take advantage of this opportunity. That’s why deals like the Gorges deal are so important, being flexible enough to make good deals happen.

  4. franco says:

    Sport entertainment: Entertainment comes down to money.

    Money comes down to sport. When you get right down to it, it is all about ‘money’ not just money, but ‘more money, not just more money, but much more money.

    More money then you spend in a lifetime, charging ever higher prices for tickets because the fans will pay it….gladly.

    No hard feelings go for more and more money, is that enough, of course it will never be enough! It can buy 50 more cars, a 1000 more suits, 5 more mansions. Look at all the zero’s and they still cheer.

    • ont fan says:

      It’s about choices. You make the choice where your money goes. Tickets, TV packages, you make the selection. I’m not too concerned what it costs. I can afford it or my money goes somewhere else. PK will get his money whether we agonize over it or not. He sells tickets and merchandise. The Habs need and want stars.

      • B says:

        I don’t think the Habs need much help to sell tickets and merchandise. On the other hand, Subban seems to be making some decent extra cash with his endorsements here. I wonder if he would make near as much extra in most other cities (or even worse somewhere like Dallas, Nashvile or Phoenix)?

        –Go Habs Go!–

    • Phil C says:

      How about Vanek who left huge money on the table in order to play at home? Or Cleary, who turned down a huge 4 year deal from the Flyers to sign a one year deal so he could stay in Detroit? Or Markov who probably took a home town discount rather than go for the big bucks on free agency?

  5. New says:

    You know something…PK Subban and his agent, the Montreal Canadiens and their owner, none of them is as worked up over a contract as you fans are.

    Here. PK plays hockey for a living. Maybe not for the Canadiens. (I’ll wait a second until the EMS techs take the paddles off you.)

    It was the same thing with Souray, with Theodore, with Huet, and with Halak. Like a hurricane of hype that feeds on itself.

    All I read is how Markov is all washed up. Playing the PK, PP, even strength he still gets 43 points and another 10 in the playoffs. PK gets 10 more regular season points, no penalty kill, and 4 more playoff points.

    Now you guys can argue until the cows come home (and often go right up to milking time) but at some point you have to think to yourselves that 29 other teams did not present PK an offer sheet he could not decline, that the Club has 2 people to sign, both are RFA, and they have more than enough room to do that, to bring in help, and to retain flexibility.

    This is a business that involves a game. Relax. Brossard is the story this week.

  6. SmartDog says:

    Arbitration is a legal step to extend the negotiation period. That’s all – at least in 90% of cases as I suspect it is here.

    PK
    I think the most telling thing on the PK front is what he said in an interview – that fans who think he is unhappy or wants out of Montreal need to wait until the next contract is sign and then he’ll be able to talk about it. The implication is to me that the length of the deal is long term (or at least that’s what he wants) and money or something else (NTC?) are sticking points.

    ELLER
    For Eller I just hope they reach a decent deal that keeps him here for awhile. If I were GM, I’d be happy with 4 years @ 4 million. I know others want to get him for less… but I think he showed in the playoffs what he can do. It’s up to the team to give him the opportunity to do it more. How hard is it to find a big, skilled center who can play shut-down, put up points, and who elevates his play in the post-season? HARD.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  7. kalevine says:

    the key point is that those big guys wouldn’t only get 7 mill if they were being signed now. I think 8-8.25 mill is fair, not more. I would prefer a 6 year contract to a longer one

  8. Paz says:

    If I’m Subban’s agent and the Habs refuse 8.5 long term, I take the arbitration ruling of 2 years which will come in around 7 million per.

    Then Subban can become a UFA 2 years from now, and several teams will offer him 8.5 or even more.

    Sounds good to you?

    For 1.5 million more next year and in 2016 we can avoid this nonsense.

    We might not see another Subban on the Habs for another 25 years, and after Price he is our most valuable player by a mile.

    • fastfreddy says:

      Agreed

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      It is the habs choice whether it is a one year or two year deal, and they will make it one. I think both sides would prefer to avoid the uncertainty of arbitration and will reach a deal. In arbitration, decisions can be really low or really high,we have seen both in the past. If they work out a contract I think that it will be between 7.5 and 8.5 million, arbitration could be anywhere from 6 to 9 or even 10 mill.

  9. habstrinifan says:

    Oooops… the wife just file for Arbitration. Gotta go put my cards on the table.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  10. JF says:

    The tennis match of the year on TSN. Federer vs. Djokovic on Centre Court at Wimbledon. A fabulous match so far.

  11. Strummer says:

    If they are looking for a French speaking asst. coach to handle press conferences I recommend this guy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

    ____________________________________________________
    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

    • frontenac1 says:

      “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. Now go away or I will taunt you a second time!” Might just work with the Mtl. Press.

      • Strummer says:

        Hurling livestock is always effective.

        ____________________________________________________
        “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  12. habstrinifan says:

    Make her feel like a Mensa Grad… Name your John$$ton Savoir-Faire!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  13. Ian Cobb says:

    PK still has some development to obtain yet. He will be on top in a couple more years with great coaching.
    He can win a game by himself and he can lose a game by himself. His plus minus has to improve quite a bit.
    I have watched and enjoyed his development and play for 8 years now. He still has a little ways to go yet.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I agree and do believe that when he hits his peak from say 27- 30, he will be one of the most dynamic and electrifying dmen to ever play. Unfortunately, right now, those are the years we need to pay for.

  14. on2ndthought says:

    Two champions at the Championship.

    BEFORE we sign PK or Lars, we need to find an assistant to MT. Bilingual, calm, smart. I wish he was in place now, to participate in the development camp. We need a foil to MT, on the ice, in the meetings. I haven’t heard a word. Any interviewees known?

    BTW 7.5 for 5, or 8 for 8

    “a cannonading drive”

  15. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Money doesn’t matter in the Subban negotiations, from a team and fan point of view. The Habs will always spend to the Cap. The only issue is the allocation of that money. Let’s start calling it “points” and not dollars, to clarify the issues.
    All the points available under the Cap will be spent. Molson saves no money lowballing Subban.
    The Habs have around 59 million points. If Subban wants 9 or even 10 million points of that, that reduces the amount that can be allocated to other potential and current stars of the team, therefore potentially reducing the chances of the Habs winning a Cup in the near future. An 8 year term at 9 million points? If Subban is injured, that’s a large percentage of the team’s resources tied up in a bad contract that can’t be traded. If Subban’s lively game doesn’t wear him down, that remains a large percentage of available points used on one player.
    It’s about points, status and percentage of the Cap. It’s about longterm vs short-term. If they haven’t won a Cup in 5 years with Subban, they will probably have to trade him to have a chance.
    Lecavalier was worth it once too.

  16. Mavid ® says:

    94

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  17. joeybarrie says:

    7.25 million for 6 seasons. Seems reasonable.
    more than Phaneuf. Less than Weber and Sutter.
    but he will more likely get 7.75.

  18. SC-1993 says:

    a offer to Eller would be 3-years $3,250.000 that’s enough for a 3rd line center.

  19. hansolo says:

    I don’t know if all of us see the same articles in the “You might Like” sections. I must say I didn’t understand the P A Parenteau trade but am more reassured after reading the link that says the Avs are worse off for having traded him.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-06-30/pa-parenteau-trade-nhl-free-agency-daniel-briere-avalanche?eadid=outbrain

    If one believes in fancy stats, the Avs, and St Patrick’s halo, may be due for a come-uppance next season.

  20. Un Canadien errant says:

    For those of us who think the Canadiens’ failure to sign P.K. Subban to a contract so far is a slight for our young All-Star, we need to understand that it’s in the team’s best interests to bargain hard. If they just roll over and give Don Meehan a deal for his initial ask, it’s ‘extra’ money going to one player that can’t be spent on someone else. It’s Marc Bergevin’s job to be as spendthrift thrifty as possible, so that he can sign our younger players to long-term deals when their turn comes up.

    We’ve seen the Blackhawks get into cap trouble after winning a Stanley Cup, in large part because of major contracts given to players like Kris Versteeg and Brian Campbell. If Dale Tallon had held the purse strings a little tighter, and had planned for the future a little better, he wouldn’t have had to fire-sale Messrs. Versteeg and Campbell, as well as Andrew Ladd and Dustin Byfuglien a couple seasons later.

    I remember Carey Price’s deal when it was signed, it felt high, we winced a little, but looked around the league and realized that that’s how much it cost for a goalie like him. We all hoped that he would live up to the contract, play to a level equivalent to his compensation, and we’re now happy that this is the case. Let’s hope for more of the same when it comes to P.K., that the numbers initially shock us, but in a couple years we realize that we’re getting our money’s worth.

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  21. Kooch7800 says:

    If I recall correctly the habs filed arbitration on Carey Price so they could ward off offer sheets. I realize that Meehan filed the arbitration this time but I am still sure a deal will be reached in advance and all will be fine. PK will be in the 8 mill mark long term.

    The Eller deal should be much quicker. I highly doubt the habs lock him up long term. Probably a two to three year deal at around 3.

  22. hansolo says:

    Here’s something for the cognoscenti to chew on this morning.

    Our most compelling need is at RW. Gionta left. We tried to sign Vrbata but he went to the Canucks for crazy money. Cakes (Sekac), Andrighetto and De La Rose are prospects and likely won’t be good short-term solutions.

    How about trying to sign Alfredsson to a 1-year deal? He went to the Wings to try to win a Cup but Detroit has failed to improve the team much this off-season. Even if Anthony Mantha makes the team out of camp, it’s unlikely the Wings are going to be that much better this year. The other Eastern contenders (Boston, Pitt, TB) probably won’t have the cap room. The Wild, Avs, Sharks, Kings and Hawks don’t need him.

    Perhaps even Alfie can see the Habs might represent his best chance at winning a Cup this year?

    • DeadEnd says:

      I had the same thought the other day. Even with his declining numbers, he’s still one of the better producers available out there. My only real concerns would be $ and his health.

      • hansolo says:

        Good points. As to his health, I don’t know. He is a certain age and, therefore, more prone to injury but he’s not as beat up as Gionta. If he would accept a contract like Gionta got with Buffalo, perhaps even a bonus-laden one as Iginla’s was with Boston (or, as I think, his contract with the Wings was), I think he could still help us.

    • Habbergasted says:

      Old. Soft. Slow. No thanks.

  23. AndyF says:

    I just think the Habs and PK/Eller have a deal: file for arbitration to give us more time, and prevent poaching. We will sign you both. Simple.

  24. SC-1993 says:

    when it comes to PK Subban, he’s no better than Doughty or Duncan keith the offer would be 7.5 8-mil tops for 8-years take it or leave it. why hold a team back for years because you over paid one player. some of you Guys must have forgotten the Gomez deal, look what it did to the team we’re still trying to recover don’t make the same mistake again.
    If he wants to be a Hab he’ll settle for this amount or go elsewhere for the money, that would tell me he puts himself ahead of his team we don’t need players like that…

    • Cal says:

      Don’t equate Gomez with PK. Definitely not the same type of player. Like it or not, the team’s stars have to be paid what the market will bear. Signing PK to a big money, big term deal will not handicap the Habs now or in the near future.

      • SC-1993 says:

        Cal- we’re not talking type of player, we’re talking money and if you want to talk player I already stated he’s no better than Doughty or Keith now we’re talking player and he’s not worth any more than these Guys. Go ahead and give him big money and watch a playoff team for another 20-years because you can’t pay good young players waiting in the wings, it’s not about one player. it’s a good team that wins cups not a good player.

        • Habitforming says:

          You are talking type of player. If gomez hit 100 points each year no one would have a problem with his salary. The problem is that he was being given top player money and yet he was producing 4th line numbers so we still had to get a top line player to produce. Unfortunately with Gomez’ cap hit we couldn’t afford it.

          Pk is a top D-man in the league and will be after a contract is signed as well. This isn’t a case of paying him like the best in the world to barely hold on to a roster spot and have the team looking for a same valued player to take his spot.

        • Habitforming says:

          If Doughty or Keith were up for a contract this season do you really think they would be looking at $7M ?

    • Habbergasted says:

      Why do you have to bring up THAT guy!?

  25. Habfan17 says:

    I have read a lot of posts not happy that PK filed for arbitration. PK did nothing, his very experienced, intelligent agent did. This is a normal part of the negotiation procedure meant to be a plan B if a contract isn’t agreed to earlier. That is all.

    The debate over which defenceman is better, PK, Weber, Doughty, etc is valid but irrelevant! The Habs do not have any of them and if you want to have a real debate, some other players need to be mentioned! Duncan Keith has just won his second Norris trophy and he also has two Stanley Cups! He is making $5,5 million/season until 2022. True he signed under the old CBA so some tweaking needs to be made. Doughty has not won the Norris, but he has two Stanley Cups. He has also been a key player on two Olympic teams. Shea Weber has also not won a Norris or a Stanley cup, but has been a key member of two Olympic teams. Karlsson has won a Norris but no Stanley cup.
    Keith $5.5 million,
    Doughty $7 million
    Karlsson $6.5 million
    Weber $8.55 million

    Weber would not have received that much if Philly did not pull a bone head move and give him the offer sheet. Keith would have received more if he signed under the new CBA. Taxes are high in Montreal. Both Toews and Kane are looking for $10 million/season and top players who do not play defence need to be factored in.

    Given the above information, I would think the Habs would like to lock PK up long term. I think it would be fair to have something like this;
    Year one $7.5 million
    Year two $8.0 million
    Year three $9.0 million
    Years four through six, $10.0 million/season
    Years seven and eight, $10.5 million/season.

    That pays him in the range of other top players and allows the Habs to manage the cap and allow for other players that should get better and receive larger contracts. It also allows to add a free agent or two each season and keep a competitive team together long term.

    Fair to everyone!
    Habfan17

  26. JohnBellyful says:

    Arbitration is nothing to fear
    A deal will be reached multi-year
    Subban will get rich
    But some fans will bitch
    Paying double the price of their beer

  27. Cal says:

    Folks, big time money deals are a lot more complicated to get done than deals for the Ryan Whites of the world.
    This is why the contract negotiations for Subban’s next contract are taking so long. Now that Meehan has the hammer (arbitration), he will negotiate from a position of strength.
    One thing, though. Why is it that pretty much every team locks up their best players, but Montreal always has to drag it out? Are they that reluctant to pay market value and give term? If so, every player will sign short term and leave first chance they get.
    In other words, get the bleeping deal done, idiots, so we can get on with summer and dissecting the kids at development camp tomorrow.

    http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

    • Forum Dog says:

      Fully agree. It’s good to be contract savvy, but there is no need for a showdown here. MTL (I hope) wants Subban locked up long-term, Subban wants to sign long-term, they have the cap room, he is a generational talent and marketing cash cow. Get him under contract already.

      Bergevin will probably hold his best offer until closer to the hearings (July 20), but I’ll be shocked if it actually goes to arbitration.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Agree with your main point, that generally the bigger contracts are more complicated, the dance is more elaborate, and they take more time to negotiate.

      I think your statement that the Canadiens “always have to drag it out” is inaccurate. Sure, the P.K. Subban negotiations are the ones that stand out in our minds, as well as the Andrei Markov deal recently which went down to the wire, but that’s due to the recency effect.

      The summer that Marc Bergevin was hired, he came to an agreement on long term deals with Carey Price, and later with Max Pacioretty. In both cases, these announcements took us by surprise, by coming so early in the process. Both players said the negotiations moved quickly and both sides acted professionally. No leaks came from either side, which was a large part of the reason for our ‘surprise’.

      Another example of deals not being dragged out were those awarded to David Desharnais and Alexei Emelin. Again, both contracts came without any leaks or rumours, just an announcement mid-season that the players had been sewn up for a few more years.

      In fact, if anything, for the latter two, Marc Bergevin takes heat from posters on HIO for being too hasty, for giving away the store to these players when they wouldn’t have received anywhere near this level of compensation on the open market. For these two gentlemen, a significant faction of HIO wishes the team had in fact dragged it out, and been reluctant to give fair market value.

      So yeah, Marc Bergevin isn’t perfect, he won’t bat a thousand, but his team and Don Meehan’s group will hammer this out and come to an agreement. I don’t think we need to get all wound up about this, although it’s the subject du jour after the ‘To Goon or Not To Goon’ thread.

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      • Cal says:

        This subject does get the juices flowing, doesn’t it?
        I believe pretty much all professional athletes in sports minor and major are overpaid when compared to the general population. However, I don’t see people lining up to watch me dispatch technicians during the week, so I expect to basically make a living as long as I remain frugal.
        Those who have the talent and drive to perform in front of large crowds everywhere they go deserve the high pay they receive. And we can all be a little jealous about it, as long as it doesn’t blind us to the market they are collecting their pay from.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Arbitration would be a mistake IMO. It’s only delaying the inevitable, and gives Subban the ability to walk once the awarded contract is over. In the current environment, his arbitration award will be very similar to Weber’s. So why risk losing him in two years (or less) for the sake of $500K to $1M?

      Not saying they should give in to every demand, but I will be concerned if this does actually get to arbitration…

      • 24 Cups says:

        I think the main comparison here will be with Doughty which makes it 7M on a two year deal. If that’s the number then why bullshit around – just accept the inevitable and sign the deal. Arbitration or last minute negotiations are silly. Especially seeing that the team has the cap space.

        That sets up a long term UFA extension with numbers that better reflect where the new CBA is going. Other teams are going to be in the same boat with stud players such as Stamkos and Toews.

        24 Cups

  28. IF Subban does not signed? Where will the Montreal Canadiens finish in its division for next season without Subban in the lineup? Many Fans will be livid in not seeing Subban play hockey? If Subban holds out until he gets what he rightfully deserves is the business of hockey. Subban is holding the highest card and his agent will do all is right for Subban. How much and term of a deal is being put on MB to get er done!!

    If Subban ends up going through a hearing it will ONLY be a one year deal at 7m plus. One has to figure MB will make it a slight more than Phaneuf at 7.25m for 5 years.

    Eller should get DD type of contract?

  29. rhino514 says:

    Still trying to get a read if we are as good with Gilbert (and the extra cap space) as we would have been with Cody Franson.

    What I find strange about Franson is that, at least offensively, he has not progressed the way you would expect a young player to, entering his peak years, he´s remained pretty much the same since his early Predator days, except for a strange aberration during the lockout season when he far outpaced his usual production, for some reason. In fact, it seems that this past season, he deteriorated somwhat, for no clear reason.
    All of this makes me think Gilbert is an older, steadier, more benign influence who can still play. Furthermore, it is hard to gauge, playing for such an awful defensive team, how good or bad Franson is defensively.
    Any takers out there who can shed some light on this?

    • thebonscott says:

      I think franson is a little better than gilbert, but he is looking for$$$$$, and toronto knows it, gonna be expensive, he held out til just before season last year. Try to think of it as we got gilbert for cheap, and a second rounder for rah-rah gorges, very nice indeed. That craig rivet trade keeps paying off.

      C’mon guys this is not rocket surgery!!!!

    • Strummer says:

      I agree it is very hard to get a read on Franson while he is with the Leafs.
      It also shows just how shaky the Leafs are on the back end that they would want an over-paid 3rd pairing shot-blocker because they are so desperate for leadership and maturity with their defensive corps.

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  30. savethepuck says:

    Thanks Jim, and @ Strummer, I also lost my power Dec 23rd and didn’t get it back til Dec 28th this past XMas season. Live in a rural area that isn’t tops on the local power companies priorities.

  31. savethepuck says:

    Day 2 without power so limited to my smartphone. According to NBPower website I am looking at 3 to 5 days before power is back on.

    Regarding PK and Lars, this is just business and things will get done but news like this sure does bring out the tinfoil hat wearers.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Hiya Save. I feel for ya buddy. Hope you stay safe amd power returns quickly. CHeers.

      I hate the business side of all sports. I hate even more the over reaction of people to the business side of sports even more. Some of the post yesterday and last night are just classic.

    • Strummer says:

      Could have been worse my friend.
      Here in the GTA folks were without power for a week over Christmas including Christmas Day in 2013.
      They would have gladly traded 3 to 5 days in July.

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  32. Habitant in Surrey says:

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    • Strummer says:

      Have you tried to contact Scott Moore directly?
      Apparently he’s a Montreal native and grew up a Habs fan

      ____________________________________________________
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  33. Harditya says:

    LOL at all the people suggesting to trade PK. This team doesn’t even go past round 2 without Subban.
    I remember people bitching about Price after Halak was traded too. PK and Price are the two franchise players of this team. If you can’t see that, then wow.. I don’t know what to say. But then, again, there are people here who think Galchenyuk is overrated because – wow a 20 year old hasn’t shown his full potential yet, what a surprise.
    Good night. Find something positive to say.

    • Strummer says:

      Wayne Gretzky the greatest player of all time was traded.
      More than once.
      If the return is worth it- no one should be exempt.

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  34. ClutchNGrab says:

    Keep seeing the name Shea Weber here. Weber signed his entry level contract, then signed a 3 year “bridge contract”. When Nashville couldn’t come with an agreement after that contract, they went through arbitration. Weber was awarded a 1 year 7.5M contract. The following year Weber signed an offer sheet from the Flyers, a 14 years with 7.8M cap hit. The Predators matched.

    Subban’s situation is not unique, nor is it an indication of a lack of respect by the Montreal organization. It’s just business.

    Now, if you’re asking if MB is dealing with it properly, I have my doubts, but I’ll wait and see.

    Edit: Found This, keep in mind it was 3 years ago:

    An arbitrator has awarded Nashville Predators defenceman Shea Weber a one-year contract worth $7.5 million. The amount represents the largest such award in NHL history.

    The Nashville captain had been seeking $8.5 million from his club, while the team countered with an offer of $4.75 million.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373133

  35. Habby_Haberton says:

    Offensively he is top 5 but defensively are you kidding me? Should be paid like Karlsson because he ain’t top 30 in his defensive game.

    • Habilis says:

      Holy Hockey! My time machine worked! It’s 2011 again!

      Seriously, if that’s what you think after watching him play for the last 2 seasons, I just don’t know what to tell you.

      Have a good one.

  36. Habanero78 says:

    Hey I love unicorns and rainbows but unfortunately real life gets in the way some times. Not sure where we are going with this?

  37. habstrinifan says:

    Self examination: Slowly say “Hey I love ___________” but
    _______________”

    See!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  38. Habanero78 says:

    Hey I love Subban and want to see him play for the Habs. But at the same time he isn’t the best defenseman in the league.

    Anyone would trade him for Shea Weber or Doughty in a second. If he was maybe 2 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier, then I would say pay him anything.

    But he is not a “perfect” defenseman. Paying him 8×8 or even 8.25×8 is more than fair. If you can’t afford an ego it might be a good thing.

    Sign the one year arbitration deal and trade him if you have too. No player is bigger than a team.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      A 1 year deal is bad, then PK becomes a free agent and may be gone for nothing. They need to sign him to a long term deal, hopefully in the 8 million/year range. I don’t think PK is making himself bigger than the team, he is just looking after business.

    • southaltahab says:

      Agree with some of this but sure hope he gets signed long term. Players like him don’t come around very often.

    • Habilis says:

      You just named two D-men who you think are better than PK. Two. I’m betting you can’t name another, simply because there isn’t one. To me, it’s even debatable whether Weber is better anymore or just an equal. I’ll give you Doughty, but I think he’s the best on the planet.

      Regardless, we can agree that PK is a top 3 D-man in the world right now. Yet you want to sign him for a year or two and then move him? Yeah, no.

      You can’t think he’s that good and yet want him gone. Logic says you can’t.

      • Habanero78 says:

        I only watch the Habs so I don’t know all the other dman in the league. It did seem a certain McDonagh outplayed Subban in the Rangers series? No? I’m saying there has been defenseman in the past ie. Pronger, Chara (in his prime, not Chara now), who have carried their teams on their back to the Stanley Cup… Pay those guys 9 mil+

        Will Subban ever do that? Unfortunately I don’t think he has the tools. He’s a Markov with an upside which is still saying a lot. I’m saying 8 or 8.25×8 is more than enough… Anywhere north of that is crazy.

        It’s business not an emotional love affair…

    • ont fan says:

      But we don’t have Those guys. There are only so many star “D’ men. They are vital to winning. You have to pay the one you have.

    • Habbergasted says:

      And go back to the 20 year wait for #25.

  39. hitgurl says:

    Gomez was getting 7 mil a year. So PK deserves what? A billion?

  40. habstrinifan says:

    It’s 1:15am and I am up because Stubbs woke me up with a huge shriek of delight. MB has made a huge trade which will bring character and soul and heart to the HABS. These guys will become fan favourites overnite.

    HABS have traded Lars Eller and P.K. Subban to Buffalo for Josh Gorges and Brian Gionta.

    Habs get a forward with charcater and leadership… I could easily see him wearing a C. And they also get a shot blocking defenseman who gives it his all on the ice and would love playing in Mtl.

    They give up two greedy RFA’s with questionable leadership potential and unproven maturity.

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    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  41. Timo says:

    Bergevin is an idiot.

  42. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Warning !!!: Nuttin To Do Wit Hockey. You may avert eyes at any-time of Your discomfort.

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  43. CHicoHab says:

    What will happen first???? Subban and Eller sign a new deal….Or, the Final score NYR 1 MON 0 gets removed????

  44. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Would I be right to presume that P.K. is consciously discouraging an offer-sheet by seeking arbitration ?

    If He wanted out of Montreal, would He have filed for arbitration ?

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  45. howiemorenz7 says:

    PK should get 9M over 8 years. I don’t give two spits about what my Toronto media think of him, what Babcock thinks of him, what MT or MB like to do to “break” him, PK is quite simply the best D man in the NHL. Ask yourself: would you trade him one for one with Weber? Keith? Drew? Chara? Suter? Frickin Vlasic (seriously, Babcock)? I know I wouldn’t. Make him the C, make him the highest paid D in the league, and watch him carry this team to the holyland, boys and girls.

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

  46. RH says:

    Some knob actually posted that he/she thinks Subban is greedy. Yeah, as opposed to any other athlete of his calibre that plays in an actual hockey market and has the talent that 76 has. Hell, Markov didn’t want to take a pay cut. Gionta didn’t want to take a big pay cut to stay with the Habs. Gorges demanded $3.9m/yr to block shots but Subban is greedy…..geez….what a freakin’ knob..

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      Excellent points, there is a business side and a hockey side. PK will let his agent look after the business side in the summer and he will take care of the hockey side in the winter. I don’t think anybody can disparage an athlete for trying to get the best deal he can. It’s not like the Habs are losing money.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I’m the knob. Subban is greedy.

      Take away the salary cap and I don’t care what he has as a salary.

      Hiding behind the “market” covers a lot of sins, and makes it appear like we have no choices. The market decides nothing positive. People do. The inflated salaries in hockey mean Subban should get 7 million for a few years. That’s overpayment in real world terms, but if he leaves it on the table, Molson walks with it anyway. He has to strike a balance.

      We all admire the cliche of the player who wants to win the Stanley Cup. Every $100,000 he eats up above his value to the team is a winger unsigned, a scorer traded. You don’t win the cup with one man. It’s that Cap again.

      PK is coming off an average season in which he played much younger than his age. He slumped after the Norris and was low in the voting. He was not self-disciplined enough to play for Team Canada. He had a bad year. He has not proven himself as consistent, and 8 year contracts call for consistency. He was not the top d-man on the Habs for most of last season, and only kicked it up in the playoffs.

      PK is walking the danger zone where he could cripple the team moving forward. That’s the market – short term gain and longterm destructiveness. If he wants to win the cup, and if he is captain material, he will toil away, sweating for 6.5 to 7 million a year, suffering great hardship and privation… wait a minute. If he wants more, it isn’t money anymore. It’s money as status, as points in the great video game of life.

      He is probably not greedier than the other players, by the way. His unique potential to become a franchise player (he is not there yet, except in a marketing sense) means he has the power to hamstring the team. He would not be the first pro athlete to do it, and since I expect he will do it, he won’t be the last. 8 years? Too long. 8 mill? Too much. Knowing you’re the highest paid guy on the team? Priceless.

  47. JohnBellyful says:

    This could get nasty. Word’s out Subban won’t sign a deal without a NTC — No Therrien Coach.

    • PK says:

      That is Ok … Send Therrien to Hamilton.
      Bring in .. oh, I don’t know …. Torts .. with a Rosetta Stone CD.
      He will do us right!

      >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
      _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

      “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

      – Nostradamus, 1552

    • Habbergasted says:

      Haha I loved that.

  48. Habby_Haberton says:

    That’s what they are asking but I’m sure it will end up around 8.5/8 years by the end of it

    • PK says:

      A word of caution … an eight year term is a bit of a gamble …
      does not matter which team or which player.

      Regardless, I think this is all a part of negotiating … both sides are trying to get the best deal possible ….

      >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
      _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

      “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

      – Nostradamus, 1552

  49. Habby_Haberton says:

    It wouldn’t be a big deal if Subban only wanted 7-8 million per. Word is they are asking 8 years at 9.5 million per. Steep if you ask me.

  50. jimmy shaker says:

    Why is this subban thing so hard……Doughty is at 7mill/per over 8 years. PK gets 7.6 mill/per because of the tax and the pressure of playing in montreal vs L.A. Done…..what’s the hold up MB. You made some shrewd moves letting guys go and cutting salary, now make this happen. This is the easiest move he will have to make all summer!

    Shaker out!

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      Why does everyone think the problem lies with Bergevin? PK is a very greedy guy, and he could handcuff the Habs longterm cap situation with his demands. Let’s say he wants 8.5. It isn’t impossible. He has a big needy ego, and big egos like validation with big money.

      8 years, playing as hard as he does – that could become one of those contracts that can’t be traded and that eat the cap if PK ever gets hurt and comes back with diminished skills. Subban doesn’t strike me as a guy who will put what sort of team he plays on ahead of money. He will be terribly overpaid, but he may not be overpaid enough to make him happy.

      • Forum Dog says:

        Your leaning pretty heavy on the “negative” Subban. I don’t think he is greedy per se. But I do think he has a big enough ego to believe that he plays in the same ballpark as Malkin and Giroux. And for his position, I think he is right. He’s almost certainly looking for $8.5M/year, and MB is almost certainly going to try and get him to take Doughty money ($7M/year).

        Personally, I think he deserves more than Doughty. Doughty has done more as part of his team, but we are 3 years down the road from when he got his contract, the cap has gone up, Subban played through a bridge contract while Doughty got his money immediately after Entry Level (EL). There are legitimate reasons for him to get $8M, and the best teams are willing to pay their stars that type of cash.

        If they hardball for too long, they could poison the well. Which IMO would be a serious mistake. If they want to play around with the contract, I’d like to see them be creative with the term. Say $50M for 6 years ($8.3M/year). He gets his coin, but they get a chance to change course sooner if they have other players they want to focus on.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        Because in good faith PK took the bridge contract 2 years ago and now MB is really trying to low ball pk at about 6 – 6.5 mill/per…..which ain’t gonna cut it. I’m sure MB has used the leverage of having subban at 8mill/per or more would be hard for him to do business for the habs later on down the line. I’m sure PK knows this and is more than willing to go with 7.5 – 8 mill/per which is more than fair for both sides. Cap will be going up as well over the years with this new Rogers deal as well. So, at the end of the day it’s MB who has to get this thing done! And to your point about PK getting hurt potentially and not living up to his contract and thus making him impossible to trade. If that’s a major concern, than MB might as well not even look at gally for any kind of raise because the way he plays, he might not even be around long enough to finish his next contract. Point being, PK is worth the money right now and then some. Don’t play scared or not to lose…..play to win. It’s all on MB here in my opinion.

        Shaker out!

      • Cal says:

        PK proved to new GM two years ago what kind of player he is. He accepted a low contract (considering the contract of Tyler Myers) then, giving the GM room to maneuver with the Cap limitations. Remember, the Habs landed Vanek and Weaver because of available Cap space, which would not have been there if PK had been paid the $6mil + per season he was already worth.
        PK is about to become the highest paid Hab ever. Not because he is greedy. Not because he’s the best Hab ever. It’s because of the market. Don’t be surprised if it’s $8mil x 8 seasons.

      • Habbergasted says:

        I say your a B’s fan.

  51. Habitant in Surrey says:

    ‘Coming from Central Ontario and working in Montreal, Minneapolis and Dallas, Gainey had no sense of the sea and did not even comprehend the sheer vastness of it – and the impossibility of finding anything – until he flew over the site himself on a clear day.

    “It wasn’t in my wheelhouse that there was danger involved here,” he says, shaking his head. But when he thought about the conditions that night – wind howling, waves sheering off, saltwater blinding – he understood how instantly disaster could strike.

    But what did it mean? It was only in talking to close friends from the Maritimes that he began to understand. “They all know someone who has been lost at sea,” he says. “They know what it means.”

    The best answer came from Anna, who told her father: “If Laura’s wishes had been known, and if her body had been found, she probably would have been put back into the sea.”

    But still he had to deal with it.

    Somehow. His inclination might be to go it alone, but his friends and the Canadiens organization weren’t about to let him.

    It had no sooner happened than the Gaineys were swamped with support.

    Even in the weeks when, he freely admits, he became “disengaged” from his work with the hockey club, others moved in to fill the space he left.

    He considered briefly that he should step aside, that he had been rendered useless, but he couldn’t see how that would accomplish anything.

    Besides, none of his trusted friends or colleagues had even raised the possibility. Instead, they thought he should get busy and keep busy. And, given his background, he agreed with them. He would carry on.

    Bob Gainey, in the opinion of long-time Montreal Gazette sports writer Red Fisher, “played through more pain, I think, than any athlete I have ever known.”

    But this pain didn’t go away with icing. This wasn’t something surgery and rest could alleviate.

    Gainey, who winces visibly when recognized in the streets and approached by fans, was troubled by this growing sense that so many people were feeling sorry for him.

    He wasn’t the only person on Earth working his way through tragic circumstances, but at times it sure felt like it.

    “I was talking to Ken [Dryden]at one point,” he remembers, “and he said, ‘You know, Bob, people all across the country are thinking of you.’

    “I said, ‘Well, I wish they’d stop.’ ”

    “There’s a piece of me,” Gainey says on this damp spring day, “that would like to turn out the lights and deal with it on my own.”

    But he knew he couldn’t do that. His children wouldn’t let him. His friends wouldn’t let him. His country wouldn’t let him. The name was too familiar, the story too compelling.

    “You can do that,” he adds, “or you can decide to stay and turn on that light and get underneath it and take that situation and turn it in another direction.”

    • habsfan0 says:

      When I think of Bob Gainey, I remember the player who arguably was the team MVP during his tenure with the Habs.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Not sure where you are coming from (or going) with all the Gainey posts, but I like them. Have always been a big fan of him as a player, and him as a person. He has seen the highest highs and the lowest lows, and has maintained his dignity and carried out his work at an extremely high level throughout.

      He is much maligned here, and I think undeservedly. The Habs were a shambles when he took over in 2003. I remember hearing on the radio that they hired him, and feeling relieved that they were finally getting a pro. Within a year or two they were back to being a perennial playoff team that did some damage a couple of times, and had a healthy stock of younger players in the system. The Gomez trade will always cast a pall on Gainey’s tenure, but there were a lot of factors that made that turn out as poorly as it did, and none of them had anything to do with the trade itself.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        Just trying to give younger HIO members an insight of what a great Hab He was, and the baggage He had to deal with during His time as Our GM

        They, listening to a great deal of Gainey disdain often expressed from some, may have given Them a negative perception of the Man that Bob Gainey was

        Bob Gainey is a great Man and was a great Player for the Montreal Canadiens.

        It was Bob Gainey returning as GM that renewed My passion for My Habs. He seemed like Moses returning from the Mount for Us whom had lost Our way.

    • Habbergasted says:

      Love your posts.

  52. Phil C says:

    Subban should probably get a letter, but he doesn’t need the added burden of the C. That will come in time. He still hasn’t found the limits of his upside yet so let Subban be the Subbanator for a few more years without the distractions of Captain duties.

    As for leadership, you don’t need a letter on your chest to be a leader on the ice and in the room. As long as you are not stepping on the toes of your Captain, guys like Gallagher and Prust can do their thing on the ice and in the room with or without a letter.

  53. Habitant in Surrey says:

    “Daddy! Daddy!” she cried. “Mommy’s on the floor in the bathroom – she’s not moving!”

    It was a brain tumour.

    Cathy Gainey had massive surgery and, over the coming months and years, gruelling radiation, chemotherapy, good news, bad news, more surgery and, ultimately, impossible news.

    She fought it for five years; she moved her family when the North Stars left Minnesota for Dallas. She was ever optimistic even when she knew.

    She was only 39 years old when the cancer won.’

  54. Habitant in Surrey says:

    “Life,” former NHL coach Fred Shero used to say, “is just a place where we spend time between games.

    Hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death.”

  55. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Roy Macgregor, The Globe & Mail, May 3rd, 2007;

    ‘Bob Gainey played in four National Hockey League All-Star Games.

    He once told his road hockey and rink-rat buddies back in Peterborough, Ont., that he was going to grow up to become captain of the Montreal Canadiens, and he did, for half of the 16 years he played in Montreal.

    He won five Stanley Cups.

    He won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.

    He was so brilliant defensively that his abilities inspired the league to create a new trophy, the Frank Selke, to honour the checking forward – and he promptly won it the first four years.

    When he retired, he was elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame. He had been a lock for years.’

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  56. lavie says:

    Hey PK#76, 7.6mil + “C”, accept it already.

  57. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Long shot captains that may be captain :0

    David Desharnais
    Brandon Prust
    Brendan Gallagher

    Has Timo started the campaign for Boullion yet?

    Heres my Captain and assistants (it really means nothing who wears a letter anyway)

    C: Plekanec
    A: Markov
    A: Pacioretty

  58. Forum Dog says:

    The NHL’s biggest/top cap-hits:

    1. Ovechkin, Alex (F) 2008-2021 13 years $9,538,462/year
    2. Malkin, Evgeni (F) 2014-2022 8 years $9,500,000/year
    3. Crosby, Sidney (F) 2013-2025 12 years $8,700,000/year
    4. Perry, Corey (F) 2013-2021 8 years $8,625,000/year
    5. Lundqvist, Henrik (G) 2014-2021 7 years $8,500,000/year
    6. SUBBAN, PERNEL K (D) 2014-2022 8 years $8,275,000/year
    6. Giroux, Claude (F) 2014-2022 8 years $8,275,000/year
    7. Staal, Eric (F) 2009-2016 7 years $8,250,000/year
    8. Getzlaf, Ryan (F) 2013-2021 8 years $8,250,000/year
    9. Kessel, Phil (F) 2014-2022 8 years $8,000,000/year
    10. Weber, Shea (D) 2012-2026 14 years $7,857,143/year
    11. Nash, Rick (F) 2010-2018 8 years $7,800,000/year
    12. Parise, Zach (F) 2012-2025 13 years $7,538,462/year
    13. Suter, Ryan (D) 2012-2025 13 years $7,538,462/year
    14. Stamkos, Steven (F) 2011-2016 5 years $7,500,000/year
    15. Datsyuk, Pavel (F) 2014-2017 3 years $7,500,000/year
    16. Letang, Kris (D) 2014-2022 8 years $7,250,000/year
    17. Campbell, Brian (D) 2008-2016 8 years $7,142,875/year
    18. Spezza, Jason (F) 2008-2015 7 years $7,000,000/year
    19. Doughty, Drew (D) 2011-2019 8 years $7,000,000/year

    That’s my take on where Subban sits. No reason to drag this on too far. Pay the man.

  59. habstrinifan says:

    Which will happen FIRST?

    HABS win 25th Stanley Cup or Canada has a Tennis singles Major Championsjhip winner. (Aussie open/French Open/Wimbledon/US Open)

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  60. HardHabits says:

    *yawn*

  61. Garbo says:

    Dare I say this shows the maturity of a Captain that many seem to think PK is missing:

    “This is the first time and probably the last time I’ll talk about it. First things first, the Boston Bruins are an Original Six franchise. They’ve been around for a very long time. They’re respected. It’s completely unfair for anybody to point the finger at the organization or the fan base.

    They have passionate fans here, a great fan base. Since I’ve been in the league, it’s been awesome. I’ve come to Boston many times, and my family has come here, it’s been great. What people may say on Twitter and social media is not a reflection by any means of the league or of the Boston organization.

    Whoever that is, they’ll get dealt with. But it’s completely separate from this league or the Boston Bruins organization.

    I know some of those players personally on that team. Like I said, the fan base has been awesome. They’re a great bunch of fans, and it’s unfortunate when things take away from the great hockey that was played two days ago [in Game 1]. It was a fantastic game — great for the league, great for hockey, and that’s what we’re going to talk about.

    So I’m happy now that we can just move on.

    You know what the funny thing is, is that we get stronger as a league, when you see how people come together, and it’s great. And it’s not just about me. The NHL has got tons of players from different backgrounds from different places around the world. That’s what makes this league so special and that’s what makes sports so special. It brings everybody together.

    So another great hockey game today, I’m sure everybody enjoyed it and I look forward to the rest of the series, and everybody else should too.”

  62. bwoar says:

    Just wanted to say: this isn’t a big deal. Players have to file by the deadline in order to keep their right to arbitration, and for a lot of RFAs it’s a bit of leverage, i.e. “do a deal or we’re gonna do a 1 or 2-year deal and I’m outta here.” Leverage without the mega-pressure of signing an offer sheet and making the GM match, which really strains a relationship. All it serves to do is speed things up. Two weeks is enough time to hash out contracts for both these players, it’s not a complex problem like bringing peace to Iraq or Ukraine or Syria. Good GM, good agent – it’ll be a big one for #76 but it’ll get done.

    If anyone is really frazzled by the thought of arbitration filing, take a look at the full list of players who filed (the link above) and note the names on there aren’t trivial. Most teams with good RFAs see them file but the majority ultimately sign before it gets to that point.

  63. JF says:

    I think filing for arbitration is basically a way of buying time. As noted above, offer sheets cannot be extended to players who file for arbitration. I can’t see Bergevin letting either of these cases go to arbitration, since the process risks poisoning the relationship between the player and the team.

  64. habstrinifan says:

    WOW! Arbitration hearings aren’t that far away. Subban and HABS have short time to come to terms.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  65. UKRAINIANhab says:

    8×8

  66. HabFab says:

    Arthur update from “down east”.
    Power out for over 140,000 in NS plus 120,000 in NB and counting. PEI getting it now.

  67. habcertain says:

    I remember with the bridge contact, there was a lot of talk about the “gold standard for contracts”, don’t hear too much about that anymore. If this was to go to arbitration, may as well trade him now. PK earned his money, pay up MB

  68. 123456 says:

    This is just the process folks. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

    • Darksyde says:

      This. Filing for arbitration also prevents other teams from putting in offer sheets. If anything, PK is trying to save MB money by doing this, as he won’t have to worry about some stupid offer sheet.

  69. formerly known as the hc says:

    I had read once or twice that an overwhelming majority of players who go to arbitration leave their teams once the arbitrated contracts expire. Hopefully these guys get signed before this process happens.

    -The beatings will continue until morale improves-

  70. SC-1993 says:

    PK yes. Eller I would not overpay to keep him. Unless it has to do with ice time, Eller has proven in the NHL he’s nothing more than a border line 3rd line center.

  71. JUST ME says:

    I have a few questions.

    Does that mean that talks are not going as smoothly as they should ?

    Is it a must procedure imposed by the CBA ?

    Is it a way to put more pressure on the other side ?

    How do you guys feel about the Habs being there with Eller and P.K. ?

  72. gexx says:

    Bergevin sign him allready,,,,get Eller Also and lets start moving forward not backwards like Ganey…….

  73. Habbergasted says:

    Oh boy… here we go again. Give him his money… and the C while your at it!

  74. Habcouver says:

    Get these signings done, MB!

    We Are (Not) All Canucks.
    Proudly Canadian but passionately Canadien!


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