Subban a healthy scratch

Canadiens rookie defenceman P.K. Subban will be a healthy scratch tonight vs. the New Jersey Devils. Yannick Weber will be back in the lineup.

Subban didn’t enjoy his best game last night, twice burned on goals by the Edmonton Oilers in the visitors’ 4-3 overtime win at the Bell Centre.

But coach Jacques Martin’s decision to scratch Subban is bound to create a stir among fans of the team, who will point to underachieving players with more experience than the rearguard who haven’t been similarly left out of uniform this season.

194 Comments

  1. adamkennelly says:

    guys – PK is getting benched because he turns the puck often trying to do things which I am positive JM has told him not to do 1000 times..he directly cost the team that game.  he ain’t listening, trying to do too much and needs to get himself in check.

    failing while trying to do the right things is different than f-ng up when doing stupid stuff and costing your team the game.

  2. newbrunswick troy says:

    Hey i,m ok with the benching, i watched last nights game and it,s evident that Suban is on his own game plan>>>>that said no hard feelings ,this will wheel him in.

    But who is next…this team although is doing good , doesn,t look like a cup contender, but i do think with a little tweaking (like star players “not” taking the night off because its just the Oilers) does have the potential to be right up there with the true elite in the league…….So go ahead J.M and bench the rookie, but be sure to send same mesage to Cam,Gomez,Pouliot, who all could give a little more lately!!!

  3. SLONCOLD says:

    halak would have continued having success here as well. he’s playing well in st louis by the way. price is having a stellar start with montreal which is what i care more about anyways.

    must you use caps all the time by the way?

     

  4. habs365 says:

    yes I am a habs fan, unlike you..you were probably a hawks fan last year seen you’re kind come and go..it has nothing to do with the team.. this is a martin thing and I would like to see him get burnt..some players can make mistakes and other’s can’t..martin is screwing with their heads. how would you like to play for a guy, when you’re driving to the rink wondering what line you’re gonna be on tonight, or will you be watching from the pressbox because you made a couple of mistakes..if they didn’t make mistakes..they’d have 50 points now..because of mistakes they have 32..hope you get where I’m coming from..I played hockey..I’m not perfect..and I know hockey fairly well..PK’s punishment uncalled for..my comments were addressed to mr.martin not the fans or team..you can take from it what you want…..

  5. SLONCOLD says:

    team effort my friend, so i’m not putting the loss on subban. in my opinion we are better with subban over webber in the lineup every night even in the loss last night ( i like webber too by the way)

  6. Storm Man says:

    Poo will be MIA again in the playoffs this year also.

  7. KenD29 says:

    In 8 games Latendresse had 3 g and 3 a.  Last year with the Wild in 55 games, 25 goals and 12 assists.

    Pouliot  in 25 games has 5 goals and 8 assists. Last year in 39, 15 goals and 9 assists.

    Almost a wash, however Latendresse managed to score goals with the Wild when he could not here.

    And Pouliot was nowhere to be found during the playoff run last year.

     

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  8. Timo says:

    we didn’t yesterday anyway…

  9. Storm Man says:

    I would but don’t have the time to write a thesis on Lord Martin and his history with younger players. So dont be to harsh on number 6 and 44 tonight as they both do WONDERS on the backend for us tonight.

  10. joeybarrie says:

    Very good response…. I like it.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  11. joeybarrie says:

    Its funny. I dont remember ONE single person saying what I said. Latendresse was a 30 goal scorer. Now that he is doing well before his injury, we bring that one back up…. OK Lats was absolutely a mistake, HOWEVER it was not JM’s mistake.

    Lets look at D’Agostini, Chips, and the others. By the way. Look what we got for Lats. Pouliot is doing well, and by the way. Pouliot has 39 points for us since he came…. Lats has 43. Kind of a washin my eyes….plus the difference in plus minus is over 10 in favor of Pouliot…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  12. thebigguy says:

    And he’s doing great this year.

    Showed up to camp out of shape. Called out by his coach.

  13. habs365 says:

    let you know come april

  14. KenD29 says:

    You are right. Sometimes we do choose what we want to see.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  15. habs365 says:

    PK didn’t cost them the game mistakes happen in every game..how many mistakes did edmonton make..we didn’t score on their mistakes..and we quit playing..wasn’t for price..it would have been a blow out.pk should have been talkin to..as well as the whole team..they lost a point..if one point makes the difference in making the playoffs..they shouldn’t be there anyway..they lucked in last year..nothing to show for it..so big deal..when they put together a stanley cup team..they will bring the cup home..like the Hawkes,Pitts, Detroit..don’t get up tight..you’ll be waiting for awhile……

    it start’s with coaching..than a team..sorry we don’t have it.

  16. joeybarrie says:

    Except for the last 3 games they played together where they did not get a single point….

    Somtimes we CHOOSE what we want to see…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  17. canadiens26 says:

    You are a disgrace

  18. KenD29 says:

    Latendresse seemed to do alrigh with the Wild last year.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  19. KenD29 says:

    yes, about 26 points over an 82 game schedule (based on his current stat of 8 pts over 25 games). That’s about $307692 per point !

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  20. joeybarrie says:

    Explain…. Cause SK is doing WONDERS in Nashville.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  21. Mark C says:

    How it is unfair to Weber? He should be scratching at the bit to get into another game, plus the games on the road so fans won’t get on him.   

  22. joeybarrie says:

    Did you just say “YOU ARE A HABS FAN” and ” I HOPE THEY LOSE SO BAD THEY HIDE FOR THE REST OF THE MONTH”.  Wow, so glad to have fans like you….

    What are you talking about? YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE PLAYERS HE HAS COACHED….. LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE NOW.

    Are you saying that Mike Keenan is a MUCH better coach than JM cause he won ONE Stanley Cup??? For Gods sake RAYMOND BOURQUE had to go to Colorado to win a Cup. Do we think he isnt a great player??? WHat about Koivu????

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  23. KenD29 says:

    Cammi,Plecs and AK46 were rolling fine until the line got split to help Gomez.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  24. HabFanSince72 says:

    With fans like you we don’t need the CBC.

  25. joeybarrie says:

    SO DID HALAK… Yet PG was smart enough to know which goalie to keep…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  26. SLONCOLD says:

    nono, i want to get rid of gomez not just sit him lol

  27. joeybarrie says:

    Or you could ask WOULD WE HAVE BEEN A BETTER TEAM WITH WEBER IN THE LINEUP LAST NIGHT????????

    Cammi has not been playing great lately, he still had 2 assists last night, sitting Cammi last night we would not have even gone to overtime. GOMEZ TOO…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  28. Storm Man says:

    This is not one single act by Lord Martin with younger players. He has a very long history of it.

  29. habs365 says:

    you’re another one..we can do without darche..I didn’t hear you mention gomez..can’t say I blame ya..he’s a star..god you wouldn’t want to go without him.

  30. KenD29 says:

    Agreed.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  31. king ddd says:

    i dont know if you are being sarcastic or you are actually telling the truth but moen is the man! i think that he would be even more effective with more gritty players like the ones they had in anehim when they won the cup

     

    .::DON’T MESS WITH THE MOENATOR!::.

  32. KenD29 says:

    HUH?! Team leader?!

    Funny the Plecs/Cammi/AK46 line were doing well prior to being split to help get the $8 mil Team Leader get going.
    From where I sit, that is not helping the team.

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  33. joeybarrie says:

    No but since in the last 5 games the following players ALL have 3-4 points its going to be pretty tough to sit ONE and not all….

    Plekanec, AK, Pouliot, Cammalleri, Gomez, and Gionta…

    Thank GOD JM makes his decisions on intelligence and PROFESSIONAL hockey knowledge/experience and not Armchair and TSN experience….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  34. SLONCOLD says:

    pretty much

  35. Storm Man says:

    Price is.

  36. KenD29 says:

    Not helping him being on the ice right now either. Cammi, AK46 and Plecs now struggling since being split up to help the overpaid Gomez.

    A night or two upstairs could do no worse.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  37. SLONCOLD says:

    he played so well against the flyers :-)

  38. punkster says:

    He’s being benched, not fired. He’s a healthy scratch, not trade bait. This one single act by JM will help PK more than anything else he has faced so far this season. And for those of you who believe it unfair, who believe the same should be applied to others who make mistakes and that everyone deserves to be treated equally, well, maybe so. But you can’t handle everyone the same way in the same situations. Fairness (or “deserves”) got nothin’ to do with it.

  39. SLONCOLD says:

    okay. are we a better team with webber or subban in the line up?

  40. Qikdraw says:

    Yes!!!!!

    It’s about time for Prime Time to sit awhile.

  41. joeybarrie says:

    Im sorry, your right, im sure the players on the team are saying to him. HEY GOMEZ start doing well in the regular season….

    By the way, the exact same thing can be said about PK Subban. Difference is EVERYONE knows what Gomez is capable of.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  42. KenD29 says:

    lol !

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  43. SLONCOLD says:

    he’s a proven winner though!!!

  44. dallyd31 says:

    I have no issue with PK sitting. His “confidence” has been getting a bit much lately and I think he needs to be reeled in a little.  I think it is very good for a young player to get a healthy does of realism and kick in the pants every now and then to ground them.

    A wake up call is just fine with me…I think it will help re-adjust his thinking and re-focus.  Good for development in the long run.

  45. joeybarrie says:

    See Mike Fisher, Ilya Kovalchuk, Frolov, Zajac, Tyler Meyers, Pominville, etc etc…

    It makes no sense to put him upstairs. It would serve NO purpose.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  46. mbplekfan says:

    Gomez is not a rookie who needs his ego checked. He is a veteran who needs to play through his slump. Benching a team leader like Gomez would not sit well in the dressing room.

    Veterans are like assistant coaches in the dressing room, you dont treat them like callups lightly. If Gomez, Gionta, Cammaleri, Gill, Spacek and Hamrlik turn against the coach his time is up.

    Besides Gomez may not be scoring but he isnt costing the team goals against with weak defensive play.

  47. KenD29 says:

    out of curiosity, who is?!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  48. Storm Man says:

    Im on the same page with you on this. Time for Gomez to enjoy a few games in the press box.

  49. KenD29 says:

    No. However Cammi certainly did not hussle to help out after losing the puck in OT.

    He seems to be fustrated since his line was broken up (AK46 and Plecs)

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  50. avatar_58 says:

    Btw keep playing Moen on scoring lines, works wonders

  51. KenD29 says:

    Food for thought. Cammi, Plecs and AK46 were doing fine before the line got split to help get Gomez going.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  52. habs365 says:

    Don Cherry will love this one..him and martin will be buddies for ever..picking on pk because of mistakes..90% of this team is a mistake..I’ve been a Montreal Canadians fan since I can remember..Just for tonight..I hope the Devils beat them so bad they’ll go into hiding for the rest of December..to send martin a message for taking PK out of the lineup..couldn’t coach pee-wee..show me how many stanley cups he’s won..he’s done it to every team he’s been with and he’s doing the same in montreal..just figure it out..look at the top players he’s coached..nothing to show for it..say bye to the Habs, the ship will slowly sink……..

  53. punkster says:

    I’m sure you’re fine young man, intelligent, hard working and will one day be a success. However, this comment is a fine example of exactly why you are not and likely never will be an NHL coach. But that’s OK. We love you anyways.

  54. Habanero Gomez says:

    I don’t have a problem with PK sitting tonight…

    He is a very good player, who should become great… His raw talent is not in question nor is his work ethic… As noted by some other posts below, he tends to push things by playing out of the system at times… Most nights he gets away with it… Last night he did not… That said, he played “under control” for a good stretch… Seems like the last couple of games, he was getting out of control again… JM is letting the kid where the boundaries are… Need to respect a coach who is willing to sit one of his best players night in, night out, to get a message accross…

    The Habs had several chances to put the game away when it was 3-1… They didn’t… If they had scored the fourth to make it 4-1 and gone on to win, none of this would be discussed today… The trouble is, the problems would still be there and will eventually bite you…

    I hate when we play the Devils… Fingers crossed…

  55. Storm Man says:

    I see Lord Martin does not leave his EGO at the door… Moves like this make me smile as the countdown is on.

  56. KenD29 says:

    Fair enough. However Gomez at $8 mil is not playing like a $8 mil proven vet! A night upstairs would not hurt.

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  57. JIMVINNY says:

    I was shocked when I first saw the headline, but thinking about it a little more, I totally agree with JM here.  It’s only going to be for one game, and this is basically the equivalent of detention for misbehaving.  He made some serious errors last night, and deserves to be reprimanded.  Next time PK has to choose between a risky offensive play, and a safe defensive play, he’s going to remember this.

  58. VancouverHab says:

    Words of real wisdom from  habsfan reduxit:

    “… I’m sure Scott was benched in his formative years as well. Now that he’s a veteran, he still makes as many mistakes but coaches realise that there’s a big difference between being in a slump and being in need of an education.”

    Now that’s a beneficial contribution. I’ll add a list of top two-line forwards who have been under-producing recently:

    Pleks, AK, Gionta, Cammi, Gomez, Pouliot, Max, Moen, Halpern….

    I’m just saying — points total is not the only metric for individual value to a team….

  59. HabFanSince72 says:

    Do you think we should bench Cammi?

  60. Storm Man says:

    LOL best joke of the day.

  61. avatar_58 says:

    A thousand pardons but Gomez is not proven on this team yet. Not in the regular season

  62. SLONCOLD says:

    well your boy gomez got a goal last night so he’s good to go without a goal for another 10 games lol

     

  63. Propwash says:

    LOL, like I said below, if we sit out all of the underachievers, we wouldn’t have a hockey team to ice.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  64. diehardhab says:

    You know what? Props to jm for making an unpopular and tough decision. maybe he has some cojones.

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  65. KenD29 says:

    Some valid points. However I did not see Cammi hussle after he lost the puck in OT which led to the breakaway.

    Just wondering how come Gomez has not spent a night watching the game from up above? How come Spacek has not watched a game from up above after a bad game?

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  66. J_P says:

    No big deal guys.  It will be good for PK to watch one from the pressbox.  I am certain JM has no intention of benching subban for consecutive games no matter how well weber plays tonight.  The kid’s in his first season in the NHL, I doubt he will take it the wrong way and turn sour over it.

  67. dleb84 says:

    I understand this decision but I hate it.  At least PK admitted his mistakes and took ownership.

    What about the other player who was somewhat at fault for the same 2 goals?  Cammi…he acted like he did nothing wrong. 

  68. mrhabby says:

    lol…agree..lol

  69. smiley4 says:

    I am NOT against benching any player at any time for whatever reason. But in this case I DISAGREE with the decision. JM should sit him down and have a chat(a la Pat Burns) with him as to what he has done wrong. PK is really our only “offensive” defenseman with Markov out. Hammer/Spacek/Gorges/Gill/Picard not exactly known for their foot speed.

    Now with Brodeur and 7 or 8 Devils injured do you think we can get a rare win against Jersey? I have my doubts!

  70. Say Ash says:

    Problem is, not enough room in the presser for all the players that should be up there.

  71. SLONCOLD says:

    dress an extra defense men then and scratch a forward. i’m sure we can do without darche in the lineup for a night. subban means a little more to the team

  72. HabFanSince72 says:

    our best Dman

    is not named PK right now.

     

  73. marshx says:

    terrible idea.

  74. joeybarrie says:

    HOLY CRAP. Sit PK SUBBAN???????????????

    Wow, crazy, fire the coach. Burn down the bell. We lost last night. just fold up the team. We will be lucky to find ourselves playing in the AHL next season….

    Worse coach ever, why in God’s name would you sit a rookie defenseman who had a terrible game last night and had a hand in giving them the game especially in two of their goals.

    We should sit ALL OUR VETS. Cammi and Gomez cause they are AWFUL. Gio cause he is the captain. Gill cause he is big and slow, Spach and Hamr cause they are old. Halpern cause he took two bad penalties yesterday. And fire PG cause he is calling Gainey to see who should play in goals tonight……

    RELAX………… He is a rookie who occasionally needs to be brought down a peg. Show him he needs to work hard every night AND make good decisions if he is going to make it here. Its not a given.

    So sick of hearing how we should sit our veterans. YOU DO NO SIT PROVEN VETERANS. Ovechkin hasnt scored in 8 games. Do you think they should sit him?  Jamie Langenbrunner and Travis Zajac are all having the same season as Gomez. Think they are going to sit tonight????????

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  75. ed lopaz says:

    what does time spent in the minors have anything to do with PK sitting in the Press box?

    This is not about “grooming” a rookie in the minors.

    This is not a GM decision – this is a coaching decision.

    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government. I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  76. HNS says:

    Learn how to sit. It is not so bad…….woof

  77. idle says:

    P.K is still a rookie and he is just being reminded of that.  The world wont end if he sits out a game as a reminder of his ‘newer’ status.  Vetern players are treated differently most of the time, even when they are not playing well.  At my work place, employees that have been with the company for 10 years are treated differently then those who have only worked here 1 or 2.  People have to put their time in.  Crosby took shit his first couple of seasons so I assume just about anyone else can too.

  78. LA Loyalist says:

    I trust you are joking. What GOOD defencemen could we get for a bottom six fwd? 

    G*d I miss Rick Green and Craig Ludwig – without going TOO far back in the time machine.

  79. notbigbird says:

    If he’s terrible, how can they showcase him?

  80. terrygain says:

    Suck up.

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  81. CHasman says:

    Of course you’re not getting anyone good for a bottom six forward but our top five aren’t going anywhere so a bottom six forward would be involved in any deal and we have a couple that other teams would like.  Someone or something else would have to be offered.  Hope it’s not Pacorietty.

  82. Kooch7800 says:

    In my opinion there is nothing wrong with Webber.  He is exactly like a Mark Streit.  He is fantastic on the PP and is not that bad defensively.  Playing him as a forward is just dumb.

    He played well with the bulldogs, put up great numebrs every year and is NHL ready.  He also played well in the Olympics.

    For his type of role though I am not sure there is a spot for him on the habs Roster

  83. tony d says:

    true dat. I bet guys pray every night that JM doesn’t put them on Gomez’s line. He sucks the life out of his linemates.

  84. Mark C says:

    Stamkos got benched, 3 times his rookie year I think. He seems to have turned out fine.

  85. HABSsince92 says:

    Gomez neesds to sit and Cammy needs to be back on a line with Pleks and AK46.

     

    Been a Habs fan since I was in 2nd grade and sat behind Patrick Roy at the Aud.

  86. Ian Cobb says:

    Listen up you guys! “I” was even benched once!!!, if you can believe it.!!

    Andree sent me to the couch in 2005. So it can happen to anyone.

    Always put the seat down.!

  87. matrags says:

    gomez is noit in a slump . He has become a wheeler , a flyer playing the outside , prone to mad rushes up ice that go no where , if he is untouchable by the coaching staff he will become a dark hole that will pull the team apart.Subban sits , cammy pouts supposedly ,and the entire top six forwards are in constant flux ,why because of the wheeler  Gomez. Lance the Boil before it infects the whole team ,He will look good on battle of the Blades, he can dance just never gets anywhere.

  88. Timo says:

    I would absolutely fine with Subban being scratched if same rules applied to Gomez and Cammilleri. But veteran floaters have a free pass to suck in JM’s book. Ah well. Tonight is a shutout night anyway.

  89. TommyB says:

    Anyone who feels PK sitting for one game is too harsh really should reconsider. Subban is still a rookie. Does that mean JM is picking on the rookie? Or by not allowing him the same leeway that he gives to some of the veterans, JM is being unfair? C’mon people, the kid is still a rookie who is still learning the NHL game. PK is very talented and plays with a certain flair, but he has to be guided, and he has to know that at this early stage of his career there can be consequences to pay if he lets that flair get in the way of his defensive responsibilities, as did happen last night.  Talent and flair are fantastic items to have in your toolbox, but not at the expense of the “team” game.  We all love Subban, and we all love his enthusiasm for the game.  That being said, first and foremost he is a defenseman.  Botched defensive assignments can cost a game.  Of course Pk did not single-handedly cost the Habs the game last night, that would be an absurd statement.  But he is still in the learning curve, and like it or not, rookies are not given the same leeway as veterans are when it comes to discipline.  It’s of the utmost importance to instill these disciplines in the young man now, or it can be too late.  Some fans will overreact to this sitting of one game, but are they thinking it through?  How do you raise your kids?  (Maybe I don’t really want to know the answer to that question from some of you.)

  90. MikeMcLaren says:

    Well played, Ian.  Well played.

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  91. KenD29 says:

    Andree’s tough.  lol

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  92. joshua94k says:

    First it is rumored that Cage Aux Sports talked Martin to control the goals scored to keep it under 4 goals a game so the ‘Free Chicken Wings’ promotion doesn’t hurt them.

    Cammalleri is taken of the top line.

    Now it is rumored that Stubbs and Boone talked to Martin to stir things up to boost HIO posts since Price is fantastic, Halak is traded, Markov has a long-term injury, and the Canadiens are in the top 5 overall standings.

    P.K. Subban is benched.

    Seriously though, Martin is making a big mistake. Subban is not the only one who made mistakes the last game. He seems to make his decision to sit out a player based on salary. He should bench him for the 1st period tonight to send him a message.

    Scotty Bowman once blasted Serge Savard and Larry Robinson in the dressing room during a game in Vancouver because they were on ice on both goals against and they were losing 2-0 after the 1st period. During the next two periods, Vancouver didn’t score a goal and the Canadiens went on to win that night.

    But that was Scotty, didn’t matter who the player was. They had to perform. That’s why he was winningest coach in NHL history.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  93. thebigguy says:

    Was at the game last night. On the tying goal where the ref missed the hook, PK needs to be making better decisions. With about 10 minutesleft up a  goal, you do not try and keep the line like that on a powerplay. Abysmal decision making. PK’s biggest problem, in my opinion, is that his skill level allows him to cover up for poor decision making. On the same shift, he held the line on a previous play. How many times have we seen him blow coverage but get back in time to cover defensive lapses?

    I was chatting with my pops after the game and mentioned that maybe sitting PK a game would help him with his decision making. It’s really the only thing keeping him from being a complete player. That, and when he takes shots to not lift his stick above his head. He raises it shoulder high, he has 2 or 3 more goals.

     

     

     

  94. Timo says:

    Could it be that JM wants PK to watch from the sidelines and learn how to really play a game from the likes of Gomez? Look, PK, see Gomez? He plays a great game. I don’t bench him because he is so great for the team. When you learn to be a floater and get a ridiculous contract that no team would want to touch you I will play you too no matter what. But for now, sit down and learn – punk!

  95. Timo says:

    Not you, I can’t believe it, Ian!

  96. Chorske says:

    I am fine with this. Subban has been hot and cold this year. Let this be a lesson in consistency.

    I wish Martin could also bench Cammalleri. What is UP with him? Can someone please clap near his head so the light comes on?

  97. SeriousFan09 says:

    For some perspective, Big Bird spent even more time in the minors than PK Subban did and Guy Lapointe ended up spending two years in the minors before making the big club. They weren’t the Big Three the second they got on the ice with the Habs.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  98. Storm Man says:

    Hmmm don’t know what game you had on last night but Cammy had points did he not? Yah Yah he made a nice pass to Penner for the winning goal.

  99. CHsam says:

    So you sit Subban when he’s one of the most important guys on the team, but you just have a private 1-on-1 chat with Gomez, and that’s sufficient ? I’d be having more 1-on-1s if I were you JM

  100. LTHF says:

    PK sitting tonight !   Another great move bt JM.  Treats  all players alike— Correct

    Gill on the ice for 2 goals against ATL and the only goal by BUF with less than2 mins left. Guess I missed the game or games he sat out.

  101. Izzy says:

    I dont know Ian….Its alway been my argument tha maybe THEY should put the seat up when they are finished?….the way it is now, WE are the only ones to actually TOUCH the toilet seat!!…..I say ( for a while at least), that  WE PEE ON THE TOILET SEAT. ….using the old ” you have to lift the seat when you’re done argument”

    my couch is pretty comfortable anyway.

     

    in rainy Fredericton ( plus 10)

    Izzy

  102. jbroderi says:

    regardless of whether it is fair or not, I think this is a good move.  Subban is the darling of the media and fans, so it may be easy for him to think he can try high risk plays more than some of the other guys do.  He got burned a few times last night and I think this will send the right message to him and the team. He knows this is the last time he wants to be a healthy scratch in his career, so i think he’ll get the message.  he has been getting away from his game a little bit lately.

     

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  103. petefleet says:

    Great move by JM.  “Primetime” may be starting to believe all the hype.  He a write in for the All-Star game for heaven’s sake.  Come on!!!  Remember what happened to Price?  Subie-Doo will come out of this and be better for it. 

    ”’Price is a pleasant suprise”’

  104. mrhabby says:

    seems to me its more then just the Habs coach doing this..most players get a free ride across the league who are deemed veterans and do not bring it ..da way it is.

  105. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    LMAO, I use that argument too! I also like to add that no man has ever fallen into the toilet going to take a shit in the dark whereas women are in constant danger of falling in if we leave the seat up!

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  106. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    PK is a rookie. Rookies sit when they don’t tow the line. It will be good for him.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  107. Oaf28 says:

    Cammy’s only been in a slump because he’s been paired with Gomez the past few games.

    I’m actually quite the fan of Gomez… but I’m not blind to his rather slow start to the season.  I think benching him would really send a message to him as well as the team.

    Untouchables really shouldn’t exist on any team.

     

    As for the Subban benching, I’m definitely with it 100%.  The kid learns from his mistakes… and this will only be another lesson under his belt, ultimately making him that much better in the future.

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  110. LA Loyalist says:

    Isn’t this a leadership issue on the defence? Shows we are missing even more than we thought with Markov off.

    in the old days Larry or Savard would have worked with PK, would they not? Do we even have a defensive coach with Rick Green gone.

    Yup. Humiliate the guy, that’ll work.

    As for G (I can’t use his name) sitting him won’t work because no one would notice.

  111. krob1000 says:

    Sitting 200 feet above the rink does what exactly for learning? If this is really such a cure all why did it not work with OB or Boyd…geez Boyd should be a damn hockey rocket scientist along with Weber by now with all that time out there.  We should dress Boyd and Weber…then we will be unstoppable because of all that they have learned in the great learning box.  They should offer seminars to the veterans to share their new found knowledge acquired from the University of Pressboxia.  We should trade for OB back immediately so he can author some text books for the D …but hurry up because he is losing all of that knowledge in Colorado…those idiots have him learning on the ice …it’s kind of like when you start using a calculator…you know.  We should rotate guys going to class to further their hockey educations…is continous learning not the norm in most industries now? maybe JM should watch a few from there too….heck everyone should…and those foolish fans watching games from the 100 level….you should sell your tickets at a discounted rate (and sell them to me I am already edumacated) and sit in the 400 level….you will learn from there….oh the things you will learn.

  112. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yes, PK Subban is the first rookie defencemen to be benched in the history of the NHL for playing poorly. This is clearly a massive insult and he’ll demand a trade after the game.

    Get real.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  113. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Nitpiking – The Bell Center grid is 97’3″ from the ice meaning the press gallery is about 15’lower, around 82 feet.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  114. jrshabs1 says:

     Good move on JM’s part. Nothing wrong with a rook sitting a game because of temporary bad play. JM has a history of sitting rooks for poor play..see J. Spezza during playoffs years back. P.K. is a good player but broke down last night..good move to let him sit and charge his batteries. Plus, Cherry doesn’t need anymore fodder for Piper’s pit. The old man is probably taking credit for P.K.’s bad play. 

     

     

    Go Habs Go!!

  115. CHasman says:

    PK is a professional and this benching won’t kill him or the team.  I’m disappointed because I’ll miss seeing him on the ice tonight.  He wasn’t the player mainly responsible for the last two goals last night but as a defenseman you are the last line of defense and if a forward coughs up the puck as Cammy did (twice), you have to be there to back up the forward.  But I don’t think it was all about those two plays.  PK had a bad game last night.  He was falling down all over the place and making some bad plays.  He’s much better than that and a night off to think about it will only help him.  That said, I’ll miss him tonight.  A regular shift for Weber could be scary, but I’ll be pulling for him.  Gauthier isn’t as laid back as Gainey and if Markov is indeed gone for the season he will bolster the defense somehow.  Which bottom six forward will he give up?  Hmmm.

  116. JIMVINNY says:

    At what point did being told to sit for a game become humiliating?  Almost every player in the league has been a healtht scratch at some point in their career. 

  117. krob1000 says:

    I guess I am not as edumacated as I thought…I bet you learned that in a Press Box!

  118. MTLForever says:

    The only thing I dislike about this is that Weber is terrible in the defensive zone.

  119. Kooch7800 says:

    How about giving up a top 6 guy.  Plec’s and Kostitsyn and Gio are playign well.  I would actually move Gomer down for a game or two to see what Eller could do in the second centre role.  I would put laps on his wing with Cammy.  Moen is a good player but top 6 he is not.  He has had so many chances the last few games but just doesn’t have the finish.

    Moen is a great asset but use him accordingly.

    You could also even move Halpern as number 2 centre.  He has great offensive instincts.

  120. MikeL says:

    What ya gettin at? Obviously watching from up top won’t make him a star overnight, but not playing will keep him on his toes. This is not at all comparable to Boyd and O’Byrne. They are simply just borderline NHLers in the mid 20’s and are being sat because other players are doing a better job.

    Subban is a star in the making, but he needs to tone it down a bit. He made a couple sporadic plays last night that directly led to goals. Having a game off to think about it is not the worst thing that can happen to him.

  121. Kooch7800 says:

    Don’t be surprised to see webber get traded this year.  They could be showcasing him right now as part of a package deal

  122. krob1000 says:

    it is bad for the team though…right now after Price and Pleks…Subban is the most influential Hab …..it is a huge loss not having him in the lineup. I am not so pissed for Subban personally I am pissed that we are playing NJ coming off a game the night before and sitting our best dman.

  123. Eric37 says:

    Not Subban’s fault.  Cammy looked weak on 2 goals, especially the last one.

    And why is calling up Pacioretty a “panic” decision?

     

    E.

  124. Say Ash says:

    The Gomez disease has spread to Cammy.

  125. Hagar says:

    This is a touch surprising. I can’t see this happening too often. Well at least Weber is getting a chance to strut his stuff.

  126. vic says:

    JMs style  rooky makes a mistake bench him that will teach We dont need a defensive coach.

    Look at the team we have a defensive team.Pleks and most of the players rushing back no in front of the net to pick up a rebound.

    Get used to it defence wins games says JM.

    Edmonton had no fear of being checked just skate in and watch the poke checks

  127. Eric37 says:

    It’s contagious.

    Maybe if they paid Gomez more money, that might motivate him?

    E.

  128. MikeL says:

    That I understand and agree with completely.

  129. homerbowen says:

    Who is a better defensman Subban or Weber??? Enough said JM is making a big mistake.

  130. Mattyleg says:

    It’s certainly worth a try…

    Do it!!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  131. ed lopaz says:

    totally agree with L.A.

    Todays management style is not something Martin can understand.

    Martin reminds me of Frank Robinson.

    I used to sit behind the Expos dugout and I could swear I heard the old dinosaur sleeping.

    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government. I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  132. Eric37 says:

    We’ll call it a Chirstmas bonus.

    E.

  133. theflower says:

    I’m sorry, but I have said from day one and stand by it JM is an idiot.  I am glad we are winning games, but as I said before he has never won the big one and he never will.  Here we have Gomez and many others who should get a benching long before PK, but hey JM has always had a problem with young guys he does not know how to manage them or make them grow unlike Boucher.  All I can hope is all the good work that Boucher did with the youngsters is not totally lost after a few years with this retard.

  134. terrygain says:

    Subban acknowleded last night that he tried to do too much. He doesn’t need to sit in order to learn. This is typical of Martin. He should bench himself for his refusal to play a Top 6 forward with Gomez and Cammy.

    I have been a Hab fan since 1954. I have never before disliked our coach, but I have no use for Martin. This is less than a month after our undersized team unloaded the 6’5″ O’Byrne who was plus 1 in last year’s playoffs and is now plus 3 with Colorado. 

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  135. Malreg says:

    AK has been back with Plekanec for a few games now…

  136. Kooch7800 says:

    It will be just for one game people.  Relax.  PK will be fine. This is just to give him a reality check. He cost them a game and I think they may also be showcasing Webber.

    I wonder if we can bench Gomez?

    PUT AK BACK WITH PLEC”S

  137. shiram says:

    There is actually a force field surrounding Gomez, that makes it so he cannot be benched, or moved to a lower line.

    But yea, i don’t mind having PK sit one out, maybe rein him in a little, and make it so he knows he has to work his butt off day day out to keep his spot.

    It’s harder to stomach though as it seems some player are getting special treatment.

  138. LA Loyalist says:

    I think sitting PK is dumb (bordering on desparate) but it won’t hurt him.

    However, the message it sends is that the collapse was PK’s fault alone and PK is being punished.

    The collapse was a team collapse (Price is excused, as is Markov).

    The whole freaking team should sit in the press box and bring up the Hamilton team and let them play New Jersey. I hear that coach Guy Boucher is pretty good…. oh crap….

  139. WindsorHab-10 says:

    I still can’t believe we blew a 2 goal lead in the 3rd against the Oilers. No offence to Edmonton, but a 2 goal lead should result in a win against any team especially when we are supposed to be a defensive minded team.

  140. port elgin says:

    No it was PK’s fault if you watched the game. He doesn’t make those bone-headed plays and the Habs win.

  141. Mark C says:

    Is that the same Guy Boucher who benched Subban last year for a game?

  142. Habscat says:

    JM has no personality skills so it isn’t a surprise. As bad as PK played last night, playing with Picard didnt help, and Gomez and others stunk as bad. Besides that, as I have stated many times, that the Pleks, AK46 and Cammy line has to play together or Pleks is the only one you notice out there. Gomez is where hot streaks go to die.

     

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  143. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Although Subban had his worst game last night, I strongly disagree with benching him. There are more deserving players of a healthy scratch than him. The Habs will miss his energy tonight.

  144. Ian Cobb says:

    I have watched PKs game for 7 years. And he played a very poor game last night.

    He was on the ice for the last 3 goals
    against, and put himself out of position trying to do someone else’s job to often. He gave up the puck much
    more than he has in a very long time, and his passes we not crisp tape to tape.

    He has a lot to learn and needs to have a
    little more patience with his own development. Yes, sitting him out is part
    of the learning curve.

    He will learn much, sitting and watching tonight. He is mentally strong, and will turn this into a positive part of his development.

    This is Martin’s way of giving the whole team  a shake up as well. The way they play with the lead in the past few games is dreadful.

  145. Johnny_D says:

    I don’t care that they won last night, in my opinion benching Subban was a mistake and does not send the right message to the kid, nor does it send the right message to the team. Screw up and you’re out, unless you make over 4.9 million per.

  146. Ferg says:

    I think it’s a good decision. PK was a circus act last night. Right from the opening face off he was out of control. If JM was to let him continue playing like that it would be harmful to his long term development. Hope he is mature enough to accept it and learn from it. He could be our best D-Man in the very near future but he’s not there yet, and he needs to learn that the simple play is often the best play. Not every shift needs to be on the highlights.

  147. byrneoNL says:

    I say try coaching him, not benching him. PK is better 99 periods out of 100 than Yannick Weber, and PK knows he was a goat last night. Punishing him by benching him sends a clear message: Mistakes will not be tolerated.

    And PK actually hustled to get back, after his mistake (unlike Cammy). And PK took ownership of his mistakes (unlike Cammy). And PK has been valuable to us in every game this season. Unlike (insert players here).  If anything when PK comes back to the lineup after tonight’s loss in NJ, he’ll be hesitant and worried and more prone to make mistakes then he would if he’d been taken aside, spoken to sternly about making better decisions in the late stages of a game, while protecting a lead (coached) .

    JM has a long list of other, more consistent goats he could be benching to send his message. I think this is piss poor coaching.

  148. habaholic68NJ says:

    My first opportunity to watch PK live tonight and I a going to be a lot closer to the ice than he will.  I am not happy.

  149. Ian Cobb says:

    You could go and sit with him, give him a few tips.!

  150. JasonM says:

    Terrible decision and a poor way to show confidence in your players who have played a bad night. Subban is the future, he’ll make mistakes.

     

     

  151. HabsAndNothingElse says:

    I agree, Suban has 1 game that isn’t his best (It wasn’t even that bad) and he gets benched. gomez plays terrible for more then half the season so far and he plays every game and gets the ice time.

    Martin is so scared to go against the veterans

    ——————– Habs Hockey Nothing Else Matters –CH–

  152. Mr.Hazard says:

    100% guaranteed PK will come back better next game. JM sat him because he knows he can take it.

    Maybe it’s a warning to Gomez.

  153. thorandresson says:

    I’m willing to say he comes back this game, I think it’s a bluff.  Or more like a threat from JM, and if PK begs him, he will get to play.

  154. habstrinifan says:

    A warning to Gomez. I had to DELETE every word of my response that I typed after my first sentence. But Geez!

  155. Habs1st says:

    I thought PK was off his game last night… he didn’t play seem to play his usual style.  Maybe with all the publicity and media scrutiny over the last little while, JM told him to tone it down.  Which, if this is the case, I feel is a mistake.  Let PK play his game, his style!  He’s at his best when he does that.  Sure, it can be risky at times, but it can also pay dividends!  As for sitting him tonight, don’t really have a problem with it…. but as I said, let him play his style!

  156. habstrinifan says:

    If you can answer the following questions with an uneqivocal YES then you are more more assured than I am that benching Subban (TONITE) is to the benefit of the Montreal Canadiens.

    If Stamkos had been drafted by Mtl would he have been given the confidence and freedom to be Stamkos….

    or Tavres or Taylor Hall or any one of the league’s top young players.

    Has Hal Gill’s play (including last night’s game) not deteriorated. And has Martin responded appropriately.

    Pierre MacGuire (and i am not a fan of his) noted that Gill was gassed during a penalty kill and JM did not consider it wise to give hime a few shifts off to catch his breath.. and he had a TERRIBLE shift which led to Oilers second goal and a dramatic momentum swing. Was this ‘great coaching’.

    How many ‘veterans’ and ‘leaders’ on this team are under performing right now. Is there a veteran cliche that has the ear of JM to the detriment of the development of our younger players.

    If you were a youngster playing on this team would you have confidence right NOW base don JM’s decisions.

    This is so frustrating seeing last nights loss pinned on one player when it could have been avoided by ‘push back’ coaching in that second period.

    I am f……. mad as a fan of the excitement that used to be the HABS legend.

  157. zak says:

    With JM as coach he would probably be treated like Melrose treated him.

  158. habaddict_andy says:

    Jacques Martin is not playing desperate, if he was, theres no way he would’ve sat Subban.  If he thinks Subban has something to learn, then so be it.

  159. MikeL says:

    “But coach Jacques Martin’s decision to scratch Subban is bound to create
    a stir among fans of the team
    , who will point to underachieving players
    with more experience than the rearguard who haven’t been similarly left
    out of uniform this season.”

    Not a journalist expert by any means, but this seems like a classic attempt to give your opinion, but separate yourself from it at the same time.

  160. Fire_Laraque says:

    That’s what I hate about a veterans’ coach.  Gomez plays poorly for 25 games and he never even demotes him to the third line.

     

    Subban has an off night, and he’s scratched.

  161. Izzy says:

    GUYS…(and gals)………………..you dont sit 8 million dollars in the stands. Thats not going to fix anything. Thats why.

  162. aemarchand11 says:

    PK is a rookie, this is expected and will keep him on his toes to play within his limits. Growing pains are a part of the game, and we will see what he is made out of on Saturday.

    For now, give Webber a chance to play.

    Go Habs Go!
    2010-2011

  163. zak says:

    Maybe he should bench Gomez for having many bad games.I guess you can,t bench 7.5 mill a year.

  164. habaholic68NJ says:

    Ian.  All I would say is that he needs to pick his spots on when to make risky moves.  His move on the PP that led to the 2 on 1 and tying goal was dumb with a one goal lead late in the game.  If we were up by two or more, I could understand it.  Likewise on his pass and body positioning on the OT goal.  I should probably have a word with Cammi about back checking while I’m at it, though he can probably hear me 18 rows in back of him. 

  165. novahab says:

    I think this is so stupid JM he a kids with the guts to play the game. There should have been a penalty on one of those goals . The refs last night should have been bench and for the record JM you team can’t pass so do something about it. Blaming last night on PK when other players do a lot less night after night is wrong. Well if you lose this game JM you are going to hear it when your come back home.

  166. Bar says:

    That attitude is whats wrong with JMs coaching style. Doallar figures SHOULD never dicate what a coach should do with it’s players.

    ~Habs Fans: Killing Prospects is a past time!~

  167. badbalance says:

    He had a rough game last night, needs a break. Hope Weber can fill the void though.

     

    Markov done for a whole year…. That sucks but what can we do. I hope we can resign him for next season, he will be healthy after a long break.

  168. Cooch_mtl says:

    Markov is damaged goods.  Signing him to a long term and expensive contract for a guy who’s gonna end up missing 40 + games a year is a waste.  bad knees means he won’t be the same player he once was… love the guy.. but I think it might just be time to move on …

  169. FanSince91 says:

    Way to send him back down to earth a little

  170. scrowe21 says:

    Yeah, not a bad idea aslong as its just for this one game.

  171. Maksimir says:

    Annnnd queue the fight music…

     

    I’ll throw in the first salvo.. I watched the game and thought he was really loose and almost caused many more turnovers. Maybe one game in the press box reflecting on his game won’t hurt.

  172. Habfan29 says:

    Big Mistake by JM, I hope this does not turn into another O’byrne fiasco. When is Gomez going to be benched or for that matter Camellari, his effort on most of the night was pathetic…..Spacek was bad in how many games before he got sat…..This is the reason that I dislike Jacques Martin, we will not win the cup with hiom as coach. PK needs to play, and JM needs to let him play through these mistakes. I just heard that Camellari is not happy, then trade him……

  173. jennifer1984 says:

    i completely agree.

    yes Subban had a bad night like all players do, but why does Subban get benched and no one else for their mistakes?

     

    i don’t think JM is horrible but I really don’t get his reasoning or how he thinks, and i think the question should be asked tonight on his decision to bench PK

  174. habsfan reduxit says:

    … I’m sure Scott was benched in his formative years as well. Now that he’s a veteran, he still makes as many mistakes but coaches realise that there’s a big difference between being in a slump and being in need of an education.

     

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  175. slamtherimtim says:

    i may have sat him for a period , but the game is too harsh, what a confidence blow , for our best young player , patches was right with his comments ,

     

    if we keep blowing leads to crap team , i will soon be on the fire JM wagon , his coaching is why we gave up a 2 goal lead , not the first time either , im just mad

  176. Kooch7800 says:

    It wasn’t coaching that cost the game last night.  Everyone complains that we sit back on the lead…..last night was a wide open game and the habs made some brutal plays that cost them the game.  PK diving creating a two on one is a boner move, nothing to do with the coach.  The second goal was a defensive gaff and not taking the man.  Last goal was a bit of bad luck.

     

    I am not a huge JM fan but last night was not his fault.  

  177. shiram says:

    –points at experienced player not being left out–

  178. habsfan reduxit says:

    … when all is said and done, I think it has to be clear that P.K. is still just a kid, and his play reflects that. I have to admit I cringe every time he takes the puck. H

     

    … he’s going to be so good, but he has to get through this period of trying to do it all, every time. He has to move past this desire to be flashy. Two marks of a solid defenceman are stability and confidence. Confidence he has aplenty. Now he needs to work on the stability.

     

    … I think Jacques is doing a good thing here for Subban, and from what I see and hear, I think P.K. will take it the right way, and learn from it.

     

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  179. Kooch7800 says:

    I hear that.  

     

     


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