Subban a healthy scratch

Canadiens rookie defenceman P.K. Subban will be a healthy scratch tonight vs. the New Jersey Devils. Yannick Weber will be back in the lineup.

Subban didn’t enjoy his best game last night, twice burned on goals by the Edmonton Oilers in the visitors’ 4-3 overtime win at the Bell Centre.

But coach Jacques Martin’s decision to scratch Subban is bound to create a stir among fans of the team, who will point to underachieving players with more experience than the rearguard who haven’t been similarly left out of uniform this season.

194 Comments

  1. joeybarrie says:

    Except for the last 3 games they played together where they did not get a single point….

    Somtimes we CHOOSE what we want to see…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  2. canadiens26 says:

    You are a disgrace

  3. KenD29 says:

    Latendresse seemed to do alrigh with the Wild last year.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  4. KenD29 says:

    yes, about 26 points over an 82 game schedule (based on his current stat of 8 pts over 25 games). That’s about $307692 per point !

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  5. joeybarrie says:

    Explain…. Cause SK is doing WONDERS in Nashville.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  6. Mark C says:

    How it is unfair to Weber? He should be scratching at the bit to get into another game, plus the games on the road so fans won’t get on him.   

  7. joeybarrie says:

    Did you just say “YOU ARE A HABS FAN” and ” I HOPE THEY LOSE SO BAD THEY HIDE FOR THE REST OF THE MONTH”.  Wow, so glad to have fans like you….

    What are you talking about? YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE PLAYERS HE HAS COACHED….. LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE NOW.

    Are you saying that Mike Keenan is a MUCH better coach than JM cause he won ONE Stanley Cup??? For Gods sake RAYMOND BOURQUE had to go to Colorado to win a Cup. Do we think he isnt a great player??? WHat about Koivu????

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  8. KenD29 says:

    Cammi,Plecs and AK46 were rolling fine until the line got split to help Gomez.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  9. HabFanSince72 says:

    With fans like you we don’t need the CBC.

  10. joeybarrie says:

    SO DID HALAK… Yet PG was smart enough to know which goalie to keep…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  11. SLONCOLD says:

    nono, i want to get rid of gomez not just sit him lol

  12. joeybarrie says:

    Or you could ask WOULD WE HAVE BEEN A BETTER TEAM WITH WEBER IN THE LINEUP LAST NIGHT????????

    Cammi has not been playing great lately, he still had 2 assists last night, sitting Cammi last night we would not have even gone to overtime. GOMEZ TOO…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  13. Storm Man says:

    This is not one single act by Lord Martin with younger players. He has a very long history of it.

  14. habs365 says:

    you’re another one..we can do without darche..I didn’t hear you mention gomez..can’t say I blame ya..he’s a star..god you wouldn’t want to go without him.

  15. KenD29 says:

    Agreed.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  16. king ddd says:

    i dont know if you are being sarcastic or you are actually telling the truth but moen is the man! i think that he would be even more effective with more gritty players like the ones they had in anehim when they won the cup

     

    .::DON’T MESS WITH THE MOENATOR!::.

  17. KenD29 says:

    HUH?! Team leader?!

    Funny the Plecs/Cammi/AK46 line were doing well prior to being split to help get the $8 mil Team Leader get going.
    From where I sit, that is not helping the team.

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  18. joeybarrie says:

    No but since in the last 5 games the following players ALL have 3-4 points its going to be pretty tough to sit ONE and not all….

    Plekanec, AK, Pouliot, Cammalleri, Gomez, and Gionta…

    Thank GOD JM makes his decisions on intelligence and PROFESSIONAL hockey knowledge/experience and not Armchair and TSN experience….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  19. SLONCOLD says:

    pretty much

  20. Storm Man says:

    Price is.

  21. KenD29 says:

    Not helping him being on the ice right now either. Cammi, AK46 and Plecs now struggling since being split up to help the overpaid Gomez.

    A night or two upstairs could do no worse.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  22. SLONCOLD says:

    he played so well against the flyers 🙂

  23. punkster says:

    He’s being benched, not fired. He’s a healthy scratch, not trade bait. This one single act by JM will help PK more than anything else he has faced so far this season. And for those of you who believe it unfair, who believe the same should be applied to others who make mistakes and that everyone deserves to be treated equally, well, maybe so. But you can’t handle everyone the same way in the same situations. Fairness (or “deserves”) got nothin’ to do with it.

  24. SLONCOLD says:

    okay. are we a better team with webber or subban in the line up?

  25. Qikdraw says:

    Yes!!!!!

    It’s about time for Prime Time to sit awhile.

  26. joeybarrie says:

    Im sorry, your right, im sure the players on the team are saying to him. HEY GOMEZ start doing well in the regular season….

    By the way, the exact same thing can be said about PK Subban. Difference is EVERYONE knows what Gomez is capable of.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  27. KenD29 says:

    lol !

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  28. SLONCOLD says:

    he’s a proven winner though!!!

  29. dallyd31 says:

    I have no issue with PK sitting. His “confidence” has been getting a bit much lately and I think he needs to be reeled in a little.  I think it is very good for a young player to get a healthy does of realism and kick in the pants every now and then to ground them.

    A wake up call is just fine with me…I think it will help re-adjust his thinking and re-focus.  Good for development in the long run.

  30. joeybarrie says:

    See Mike Fisher, Ilya Kovalchuk, Frolov, Zajac, Tyler Meyers, Pominville, etc etc…

    It makes no sense to put him upstairs. It would serve NO purpose.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  31. mbplekfan says:

    Gomez is not a rookie who needs his ego checked. He is a veteran who needs to play through his slump. Benching a team leader like Gomez would not sit well in the dressing room.

    Veterans are like assistant coaches in the dressing room, you dont treat them like callups lightly. If Gomez, Gionta, Cammaleri, Gill, Spacek and Hamrlik turn against the coach his time is up.

    Besides Gomez may not be scoring but he isnt costing the team goals against with weak defensive play.

  32. KenD29 says:

    out of curiosity, who is?!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  33. Storm Man says:

    Im on the same page with you on this. Time for Gomez to enjoy a few games in the press box.

  34. KenD29 says:

    No. However Cammi certainly did not hussle to help out after losing the puck in OT.

    He seems to be fustrated since his line was broken up (AK46 and Plecs)

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  35. avatar_58 says:

    Btw keep playing Moen on scoring lines, works wonders

  36. KenD29 says:

    Food for thought. Cammi, Plecs and AK46 were doing fine before the line got split to help get Gomez going.

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  37. habs365 says:

    Don Cherry will love this one..him and martin will be buddies for ever..picking on pk because of mistakes..90% of this team is a mistake..I’ve been a Montreal Canadians fan since I can remember..Just for tonight..I hope the Devils beat them so bad they’ll go into hiding for the rest of December..to send martin a message for taking PK out of the lineup..couldn’t coach pee-wee..show me how many stanley cups he’s won..he’s done it to every team he’s been with and he’s doing the same in montreal..just figure it out..look at the top players he’s coached..nothing to show for it..say bye to the Habs, the ship will slowly sink……..

  38. punkster says:

    I’m sure you’re fine young man, intelligent, hard working and will one day be a success. However, this comment is a fine example of exactly why you are not and likely never will be an NHL coach. But that’s OK. We love you anyways.

  39. Habanero Gomez says:

    I don’t have a problem with PK sitting tonight…

    He is a very good player, who should become great… His raw talent is not in question nor is his work ethic… As noted by some other posts below, he tends to push things by playing out of the system at times… Most nights he gets away with it… Last night he did not… That said, he played “under control” for a good stretch… Seems like the last couple of games, he was getting out of control again… JM is letting the kid where the boundaries are… Need to respect a coach who is willing to sit one of his best players night in, night out, to get a message accross…

    The Habs had several chances to put the game away when it was 3-1… They didn’t… If they had scored the fourth to make it 4-1 and gone on to win, none of this would be discussed today… The trouble is, the problems would still be there and will eventually bite you…

    I hate when we play the Devils… Fingers crossed…

  40. Storm Man says:

    I see Lord Martin does not leave his EGO at the door… Moves like this make me smile as the countdown is on.

  41. KenD29 says:

    Fair enough. However Gomez at $8 mil is not playing like a $8 mil proven vet! A night upstairs would not hurt.

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  42. JIMVINNY says:

    I was shocked when I first saw the headline, but thinking about it a little more, I totally agree with JM here.  It’s only going to be for one game, and this is basically the equivalent of detention for misbehaving.  He made some serious errors last night, and deserves to be reprimanded.  Next time PK has to choose between a risky offensive play, and a safe defensive play, he’s going to remember this.

  43. VancouverHab says:

    Words of real wisdom from  habsfan reduxit:

    “… I’m sure Scott was benched in his formative years as well. Now that he’s a veteran, he still makes as many mistakes but coaches realise that there’s a big difference between being in a slump and being in need of an education.”

    Now that’s a beneficial contribution. I’ll add a list of top two-line forwards who have been under-producing recently:

    Pleks, AK, Gionta, Cammi, Gomez, Pouliot, Max, Moen, Halpern….

    I’m just saying — points total is not the only metric for individual value to a team….

  44. HabFanSince72 says:

    Do you think we should bench Cammi?

  45. Storm Man says:

    LOL best joke of the day.

  46. avatar_58 says:

    A thousand pardons but Gomez is not proven on this team yet. Not in the regular season

  47. SLONCOLD says:

    well your boy gomez got a goal last night so he’s good to go without a goal for another 10 games lol

     

  48. Propwash says:

    LOL, like I said below, if we sit out all of the underachievers, we wouldn’t have a hockey team to ice.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  49. diehardhab says:

    You know what? Props to jm for making an unpopular and tough decision. maybe he has some cojones.

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  50. KenD29 says:

    Some valid points. However I did not see Cammi hussle after he lost the puck in OT which led to the breakaway.

    Just wondering how come Gomez has not spent a night watching the game from up above? How come Spacek has not watched a game from up above after a bad game?

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  51. J_P says:

    No big deal guys.  It will be good for PK to watch one from the pressbox.  I am certain JM has no intention of benching subban for consecutive games no matter how well weber plays tonight.  The kid’s in his first season in the NHL, I doubt he will take it the wrong way and turn sour over it.

  52. dleb84 says:

    I understand this decision but I hate it.  At least PK admitted his mistakes and took ownership.

    What about the other player who was somewhat at fault for the same 2 goals?  Cammi…he acted like he did nothing wrong. 

  53. mrhabby says:

    lol…agree..lol

  54. smiley4 says:

    I am NOT against benching any player at any time for whatever reason. But in this case I DISAGREE with the decision. JM should sit him down and have a chat(a la Pat Burns) with him as to what he has done wrong. PK is really our only “offensive” defenseman with Markov out. Hammer/Spacek/Gorges/Gill/Picard not exactly known for their foot speed.

    Now with Brodeur and 7 or 8 Devils injured do you think we can get a rare win against Jersey? I have my doubts!

  55. Say Ash says:

    Problem is, not enough room in the presser for all the players that should be up there.

  56. SLONCOLD says:

    dress an extra defense men then and scratch a forward. i’m sure we can do without darche in the lineup for a night. subban means a little more to the team

  57. HabFanSince72 says:

    our best Dman

    is not named PK right now.

     

  58. marshx says:

    terrible idea.

  59. joeybarrie says:

    HOLY CRAP. Sit PK SUBBAN???????????????

    Wow, crazy, fire the coach. Burn down the bell. We lost last night. just fold up the team. We will be lucky to find ourselves playing in the AHL next season….

    Worse coach ever, why in God’s name would you sit a rookie defenseman who had a terrible game last night and had a hand in giving them the game especially in two of their goals.

    We should sit ALL OUR VETS. Cammi and Gomez cause they are AWFUL. Gio cause he is the captain. Gill cause he is big and slow, Spach and Hamr cause they are old. Halpern cause he took two bad penalties yesterday. And fire PG cause he is calling Gainey to see who should play in goals tonight……

    RELAX………… He is a rookie who occasionally needs to be brought down a peg. Show him he needs to work hard every night AND make good decisions if he is going to make it here. Its not a given.

    So sick of hearing how we should sit our veterans. YOU DO NO SIT PROVEN VETERANS. Ovechkin hasnt scored in 8 games. Do you think they should sit him?  Jamie Langenbrunner and Travis Zajac are all having the same season as Gomez. Think they are going to sit tonight????????

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  60. SLONCOLD says:

    uhm price wasn’t benched in favor of halak… halak played much better when he was in. With subban we’re benching one of our best players….

    gil, spacek, hammerlik have all had off nights when have they been benched?

  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    so bench him for the first period!!!

    You mean play only 5 D?

     

     

  62. TripleX says:

    I agree!  Not playing arguably our best Dman against a team the Habs have always had trouble against is truly a brain dead move.  It is unfair to the team, to Suban and to Weber.

     

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  63. iHeart Les Habitants says:

    What do we do if Weber lights it up?

  64. mbplekfan says:

    PK needed a reality check and this is it. A night in the press box to watch and learn that this is a team game will do him good.

    A single player at the NHL level cannot do it all. PK doesnt use the other players as much as he should. Watching a game from upstairs will give him another perspective ( one he probably isnt familiar with) on how to use his wingers.

    Plus it will get him out of the fast lane mentality that he is in. He was out of control right from the opening bell last night and its his turn to sit.

  65. SLONCOLD says:

    so bench him for the first period!!! not the whole game!!! our team is better with him in the lineup.

     

  66. HabFanSince72 says:

    There are all kinds of rookie mistakes. Sometimes its making the wrong choice, trying junior moves, being a fraction too slow in your decision-making. This is isn’t what is happening to Subban. He’s actually been poor for some time. His problem appears to be something like over-confidence. Is there any question that he is playing selfishly?

    As far as his benching affecting him in the future, that seems unlikely. Price was benched in favour of Halak last year. Probably every great player in history has been benched at some point.

    Maybe thinking you can do whatever you want and you’ll never be benched isn’t a good mindset.

    Also, I don’t think it’s necessarily a punishment.

  67. Propwash says:

    In that case, we wouldn’t have a hockey team to ice.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  68. TripleX says:

    JM SUCKS!

    I have no problem in theory with benching a player after a particularly bad game.  However it must be applied universally to ALL PLAYERS regardless of seniority or salary.  To do otherwise is unfair and can only foster discontent.  Cammi is already unhappy with his demotion to the second line with the dark hole named Gomez.  Do we need MORE dissatisfied key players?

    Is there ANY player more deserving of a benching or demotion than Gomez?

     

     

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  69. gmd says:

    I agree with benching him.  However it should also apply to others, even if they are veterns.

  70. mrhabby says:

    one game ..get the message across. subban wants to do it his ways at least thats the way it looked last night. he is still a rookie in my eyes. it makes our back end slower for tonight.

  71. Habhopeful says:

    Its one game, he will be back the next game, Its to teach him a lesson, PK knows he could do better, and after being scratched he will be better, he isnt a player to begin sulking nor will he begin to be one, its for the better, PK’s confidence cannot be damaged!

     

    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  72. SeriousFan09 says:

    It’ll hurt tonight, but JM wants PK to better and think about D for the next 10 or 20 games. This is a benching for long-term benefit, if JM was thinking of short-term results he’d play Subban for best possible result tonight.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  73. adamkennelly says:

    guys – PK is getting benched because he turns the puck often trying to do things which I am positive JM has told him not to do 1000 times..he directly cost the team that game.  he ain’t listening, trying to do too much and needs to get himself in check.

    failing while trying to do the right things is different than f-ng up when doing stupid stuff and costing your team the game.

  74. newbrunswick troy says:

    Hey i,m ok with the benching, i watched last nights game and it,s evident that Suban is on his own game plan>>>>that said no hard feelings ,this will wheel him in.

    But who is next…this team although is doing good , doesn,t look like a cup contender, but i do think with a little tweaking (like star players “not” taking the night off because its just the Oilers) does have the potential to be right up there with the true elite in the league…….So go ahead J.M and bench the rookie, but be sure to send same mesage to Cam,Gomez,Pouliot, who all could give a little more lately!!!


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