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• Why the Bruins shouldn’t trade Marc Savard

389 Comments

  1. Bugs says:

    Defence, shmefence. Who’ll play better?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  2. HabFanSince72 says:

    Nah … it’s Price vs Halak or nothing.

  3. PeterD says:

    This team salary cap thing is a real pain in the wazzoo.  It really puts a halt on teams making improvements when they acumulate too many high end playeers on rich contracts…

    I’d like to see a player contract salary cap, similar to how there is a minimum salary or entry level rates…maybe something top end players are paid no more than $5M per year and then add on bonuses for performance clauses.

    I think what’s happening these days with the fre agents they are getting greedy and the GM’s in the league feed into that greed by supporting hteir habits by out bidding each other…it’s getting really rediculous out there.

    With respect to the Russian free agents left (KoVi, Frolov, etc…) maybe it is time for hte teams in the league to just say NO!…maybe it is tiime that someone told these guys that they should just go to the KHL and earn what ever they can get over there and if and when they ever want to live in a better place and play in the best league in the world, then come on back but for a reasonable rate of pay…not $7M to $10 M per season…

    Speaking of cap space..what the heck at Chicago and Philidephia going to do the get the players they need to sign and still get under the cap?

    Looks like the Flyers need to dump a top 3 forward like Gagne ($5.25M) and or Carter ($5 M)…It sounds like with asking him lift his no trade clause, that it is likely Gagne and since he is a UFA next year, I think the Flyers will be tryin got move him now versus lose him next year…Carter may be the more valuable asset for them to trade though since he is a RFA next year, so the receiving team has a chance of resigning him.

    I would love for the Habs to either of these guys…with a preference for Carter for the above reasons…

    Any thoughts out there on the above topics and thougths…

     

  4. ed lopaz says:

    really? I would trade a 1st and a 3rd for Carey Price as an NHL GM, and put in an offer sheet for just under 4

    million. In some cases, I think the offer sheet works very well to acquire players.

    maybe it doesn’t fit all the time, but 99 per cent?

  5. HabFanSince72 says:

    come back without missing a step,

     

    But you said he missed a whole year.

  6. ed lopaz says:

    yes – I know – I have been watching jamie benn very closely.

    no. I like johnson ahead of neal – I just really like Neal also.

     

  7. TomNickle says:

    It’s in the copy of the actual cba that you can download at nhl.com or nhlpa.com

    The team must comply with the cap when the player is healthy but they do that by sending somebody down.  No biggie.

    Teams have used the LTIR to benefit with cap relief.

    Flyers- Derian Hatcher and I believe Mike Rathje.

    To the point where they were investigated for Hatcher at the very least.

  8. Mark C says:

    Not only that, but using an offer sheet is the least effective and efficient means of acquiring a player, 99% of the time.  

  9. ed lopaz says:

    and schultz.

  10. ed lopaz says:

    the Blues finished last season with 90 points, in a much tougher conference, and didn’t need any of

    Eller, Palushaj, or Schultz, to get there. All 3 were very expendable.

    They are poised to become a very strong team, all things being equal.

     

     

  11. pic1983 says:

    Well said, and i appreciate that there wasnt an “anti-price” or “pro-halak” comment in the entire post.

  12. habaddict_andy says:

    Don’t forget the question also, do they have a better defense in keeping the shooters in the outside?  It will be interesting to see how Halak will perform next year without the duo of Gill and Georges.  And also it seems the secret was revealed when Philadelphia started shooting higher on Halak, Halak could no longer still games.  We shall see.

  13. andrewberkshire says:

    A ton of teams are up against the cap, and many of the teams that aren’t up against the cap don’t have the draft picks to make offer sheets. It’s no collusion.

  14. krob1000 says:

    Do you have a link for that because that is not how I understand it.  I always thought it worked liek that but I am pretty sure it was proven last year that it doesn;t work that way at all.  The relief is only temporary and only for the LTIR period based on how I read these two points:

  15. If the replacement salaries would push a team over the salary cap, the team is allowed cap relief, but only for the portion of the salary that exceeds the cap.
  16. When the injured player returns, the team must immediately comply with the normal terms of the salary cap.
  17.  This whole cap thing hurts my head….. I am pretty sure that you can’t benefit from LTIR or it would potentially  be another mechanism to bury salary……

    I do not for the life of me understand why in this day and age of technology there isn’t an actually accurate salary cap out there….any tech savvy people out there? Here is a simple and fun living for you …..

  • TomNickle says:

    Ed. Are you saying that given the choice between James Neal and Erik Johnson you would take Neal?

    They got Jamie Benn in the 5th round and he looks every bit as good as Neal does right now.

  • Curtoph says:

    Hurray for getting other teams prospects!! Partially developed players are such a treat, much more potential, we get to see them play and they will hopefully all add greatness to our team!

  • TomNickle says:

    The Blues have drafted the following players since 2003.

    Lars Eller

    Aaron Palushaj

    Ian Schultz

    Erik Johnson, Alex Pieterangelo, Barrett Jackman, T.J. Oshie, David Perron, David Backes, Patrick Berglund, Jake Allen, Roman Polak and Lee Stempniak.

    I think acquiring three of their prospects in less than 6 months will be something that Gauthier hangs his hat on at the end of his career.  Those three could all be impact players on our roster within the next two years.

    When you acquire highly regarded prospects from a team that drafts as well as the Blues, you aren’t failing.

  • TomNickle says:

    And those are only the players who’ve made it to the NHL to this point.  Allen notwithstanding.

  • ed lopaz says:

    maybe james neal for me. he is PRECISELY the player the Habs

    could use. there’s quite of bit of collusion going on,

    because many of these RFA’s should be receiving offer sheets.

  • TomNickle says:

    No.  It’s the wording that’s funny.  When a player goes on LTIR, their cap number still counts but teams are granted permission to go above the upper limit of the cap.

    So if you were spending $320k daily on your NHL roster with Markov in the lineup and the replacement took you to $325k daily, Markov’s daily cap number is given to you on a daily basis until he’s healthy.

    So if Markov’s daily cap number is $50k, he goes on LTIR and the team brings up Weber at a cost of $6k daily.  The team then gets Markov’s money per day in cap allowance to be used at anytime during the season.  It isn’t specific to the LTIR period.

  • Chuck says:

    What is also fact is that he sucked in a THIRD of his playoff games, yet you refuse to accept that the bulk of his heroics were centred around a three-game span vs. Washington.

    Against Pittsburgh, his GAA declined steadily each game; thank goodness that he was able to rebound for game seven.

    And we all know about the Philly series…

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  • SLONCOLD says:

    i think the blues will play better than the habs.

    chris mason had these stats: 30-22-8 .913sv 2.53gaa

    i’m sure the logic in the blues camp is halak will have smililar numbers but will steal a few more games for them.

  • krob1000 says:

    That would mean the replacement player would have to make more than Markov and then when Markov did come back you would be in a world of trouble doesn’t it?

  • andrewberkshire says:

    We all make them.

  • ed lopaz says:

    in my alternate universe, buddy, without the heroics of halak in game 5,6,7 vs washington,

    especially game 5, which he faced about 52 shots,

    we don’t even get to the series in Pittsburgh or Philadelphia.

    that is simply fact.

    now – I’m done talking about Halak.

    its freakin useless.

     

  • krob1000 says:

    BOONE! BOONE! …has anyone at HIO checked on Boone’s whereabouts today? I am very concerned that he may have harmed himself upon hearing this news…. someone please check on him and make sure he is ok.

    http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/celebrities/article/835545–oscar-winners-penelope-cruz-javier-bardem-wed-in-the-bahamas

  • Mark C says:

    No kidding Tom, if all players entered into a draft Johnson would be the second D picked after Doughty.  Johnson won’t be 23 until March, and he’s got it all, skills, size, production. He’s a Pronger clone minus the same level of nastiness.

  • Rugger says:

    Depends on which lying statistics you use:

    Wins – Price

    SV% – Price

    GAA -Halak

  • andrewberkshire says:

    Completely agreed. Johnson has barely even shown the tip of the iceberg that is his potential. To miss a full year with a broken femur and come back without missing a step, that’s special.

  • HabsFanInTampa says:

    You incorrectly used the word “marquee” and “Price” in the same sentence.

  • andrewberkshire says:

    Also you forgot about Pavalec. He’s Atlanta’s #1.

  • TomNickle says:

    Actually it is done on a daily basis.

    And that’s why you saw those cap penalties imposed last week.

    187 days and each team is to be in compliance with the alloted amount of cap money spent on a per day basis or they are in violation.  It isn’t where you are at the end of the year.  That’s why you see teams have more money than normal at the deadline.  Whether it be due to LTIR or 2 way deals where the player didn’t stick.

    I’m sorry, but on the subject of cap hits specifically, you are incorrect in your thinking that there is no daily rate.  It’s confusing stuff sometimes.

    The cap hit for each player is divided by 187 days of the hockey season.  That’s what is counted daily for cap purposes.  So this season for example.  Teams may not spend in excess of $317,647 daily in cap money unless a player is on LTIR.

    You also see proof of this at the trade deadline when the traded players’ cap hit is proportionate to the amount of time he’s going to be spending with his new club.  On a daily basis, calculated by a 187 day season.

  • andrewberkshire says:

    Wasn’t saying you specifically were blubbering, more addressed to Ed and others. However with the names unsigned you can see there’s precedent this season for RFAs taking their time. Nothing unique about Price’s situation.

  • TomNickle says:

    If I could choose any RFA to have from that list it’s Erik Johnson by a mile.

    Not even close.

    Not even the same league.

    You’re talking about a perennial Norris trophy winner if Doughty isn’t in the league.

  • TomNickle says:

    If the cost of the replacement player puts the team in excess of the upper limit of the cap the team receives that players salary on a daily basis in cap money.

  • ed lopaz says:

    thanks – my error.

  • Chuck says:

    So Ed, are you saying that in your alternate universe, these games weren’t actually played?

    24 May ’10    MTL @ PHI      L      3      25      22      .880      
    18 May ’10   MTL @ PHI     L     3     23     20     .870     
    16 May ’10   MTL @ PHI     L     4     14     10     .714     
    30 Apr ’10   MTL @ PIT     L     5     20     15     .750     
    19 Apr ’10   WSH @ MTL     L     3     13     10     .769     
    17 Apr ’10   MTL @ WSH     L     6     37     31     .838

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    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  • krob1000 says:

    http://proicehockey.about.com/od/learnthegame/a/nhl_salary_cap.htm

     

    There is no “banking” ….this was pointed out I believe by Eric (Two Cents).  While markov is out you could replace him but upon his return you have to comply with the normal rules of the cap. 

  • Pierre Gauthier says:

    Price.

  • Tis Himself says:

    Silly question. Carey Price will because he is the best!

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Niemi should’ve just taken what CHI offered I think, he’s to the Hawks what Chris Osgood was to DET, a decent goalie, but it was the star defencemen who made him look good, although I’d go further and say Osgood in the playoffs is better than Niemi.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  • TomNickle says:

    Just found it!

    The team will only receive cap relief in an LTIR situation when cost of the replacement for the injured player will put the team over the upper limit of the cap.

    So if the team is spending $310k on a daily basis and the call up(s) cost them $10k daily, they are getting the LTIR player’s salary in cap relief on a game by game basis until the the injured player is fit to play and the replacement is sent back to the minors.

    So you do bank that $70k per game if you’re in violation of the cap by calling the player up.

     

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    That’s true, but we’re also not dealing with an abritration scenario like the Hawks currently are. The team has time to sign Price as Andrew posted as well, there are a lot of key RFAs still to be signed, including Neal and Ryan, two players emerging into premiere power forwards.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  • Bugs says:

    So…

    Who’ll have the better season next year?

    Price or Halak?

    Haw!

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  • Chuck says:

    Actually, this discussion IS about Halak. It was started by TripleXXX with his posting about top Hab playoff performances, and where Halak fit into the mix.

    Please try to keep up with the tour group.

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    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  • SLONCOLD says:

    agree, i also don’t think niemi was all that great in the playoffs either; by that i mean he didn’t stand out too often as a deciding in factor in winning games

  • mike g says:

    Oh just please give it up with this fancophone BS….

    You want them to trade for Gagne so he can score us 10 goals in the 17 games he plays next year after he busts his groin for the 14th time, and gets his 18th concussion?

    Comon buddy, enough with the french superstar crap.

    Stop right here, cuz you’re entering “Bozo-ville”.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  • ed lopaz says:

    that’s an excellent point, and I agree that they might just let him walk.

    we do not have that luxury, however.

     

     

     

  • andrewberkshire says:

    Fretting then. Either way, it’s useless to worry because the only marquee RFA to sign this offseason was Hjalmarsson, who was signed to an offer sheet. Everyone is taking their time.

  • ed lopaz says:

    no – I disagree. but that’s fine. I don’t want to talk about halak – that;s freakin useless.

    what halak did or did not do is totally irelevant to me.

    I posted today about Price.

    and then eeveryone turned this into Price vs Halak.

    I want Price signed.

    I want Gauthier to get the job done, sign the kid, and figure out how Price is going to win 35-40 games.

    I put this squarely on Gauthier – its not about price or halak.

     

  • Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    Sorry, I meant “while Markov is on LTIR” in the hypothetical sense. Yes, Subban only made $40k in salary with the big club because of his two-way salary, but his cap hit while he was up with the club was still $875k. The daily rate of pay isn’t a consideration for cap hit purposes. They just add up the cap hits of all the players on the active roster, and that must fit under the cap at any given time.

    Salary and cap considerations are two different things. If Markov goes on LTIR, we can add a player with a cap hit of up to $5.75MM to replace him. If we were to fill Markov’s spot with Weber, for instance, we would fit well under the cap with Weber’s $637.5k (depending on his bonuses), and if he was up with the club for 10 games, then he would earn his full daily-rate salary for those 10 games. However, as soon as Markov comes back off of LTIR and Weber back to the Dogs, Weber’s cap hit comes off the books entirely and Markov’s 5.75 is back on, as there are no daily cap rates. It’s only that the cumulative cap hits
    of everyone on the team fitting under the cap that matters.

  • Mark C says:

    That is correct, Markov must be placed on LTIR for there to be any cap savings. For a player to be placed on the LTIR the player must miss 10 games or 21 days.

    If Markov were out of the line-up, yet not placed on the LTIR and Montreal replaced him with a call-up. That call-ups cap number would have to fit under the cap.  

  • Mats Naslund says:

    The Bat-poop crazy side…

     

     

  • TomNickle says:

    Right.  I screwed up in my typing below.

    Each team can spend $317,647 per day on their NHL roster.

    Markov, while injured, even if on injured reserve, counts against our roster.

    If he’s on LTIR, the team is permitted to go over the $317,647 as long as he’s on it.

    I’m looking for clarification on the money issue.  I thought I read a section in the CBA that allows for the injured players money to be banked in terms of cap space if the player isn’t replaced on the roster during his time on LTIR.

     

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Keith, Seabrook, Campbell and Hjalmarsson make it much less important who the starter for CHI is for next season. CHI can afford to let Niemi walk.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  • mike g says:

    And right there is the definition of “unfair treatment”.

    Habs fans call themselves the most knowledgeable and best fans in the world. I personally think some are, but alot of our fans are delusional and have zero respect for the pro’s.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  • ed lopaz says:

    this was a discussion about signing price – not a discussion about Halak.

    people on both sides of the so-called “fence” keep talking about Halak.

  • mbplekfan says:

    When the injury occurs very early in the season and the player goes on the LTIR it is best to manage without replacing that player for as long as is feasible. This creates cap space for later in the year when you need to add depth.  Playing a man down early in the season isnt hard as everyone is healthy so you manage.

    IF Markov missed 20 games (not out of the question) you save that cap space for later in the season when it can have the most impact.

    Markov at 5.5 being out for 20 games means you can add a 2.75 player later in the season with just 40 games left. This is preferable to plugging a hole with additional salary from a marginal player.

    Cap space becomes more valuable as the season progresses which is why starting out with 1 million in space and saving 1 million through injuries can actually garner a 4 million dollar player after xmas when the games get more important.

  • TomNickle says:

    I’m not disputing that Halak played great in all of the elimination games against the Caps and Pens.  I’m saying that for every great game he played, he played an atrocious game to go along with it.

    Can you concede that?

  • 24 Cups says:

    So if Markov doesn’t go on LTIR then there are no savings.  In fact, we have to spend more money on a call-up (or just go with a 6 man defense without a sub in the stands).  Correct?

  • avatar_58 says:

    Not blubbering, just wish it would happen already

  • ed lopaz says:

    no blubbering Andrew!!

    only us and Chicago (Niemi) face the threat of not having our # 1 goalies signed.

    that’s not blubbering – that’s discussing an important piece of information.

  • TomNickle says:

    Price could’ve been traded for Gagne.

    Are you serious?

    An injury prone player who is good when healthy but has one year remaining on a contract that pays him $5 million this season.

    Gee, I wonder what side of the fence you’re on.

  • mike g says:

    Niemi, Mueller and Hornqvist along with those that Andrew listed below are big guys too.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  • kempie says:

    Can we spend a little time bitching about Kovalchuk clogging up the offseason with his free agent sideshow?

  • TomNickle says:

    Price’s record has absolutely nothing to do with Halak’s post-season performance.

  • ed lopaz says:

    tom – you’re forcing me to reply – so I will. :-)

    no matter what else happened in the playoffs, we were faced

    with 3 elimination games vs Washington, and 2 vs Pittsburgh.

    The .960 Halak put up was one of the great playoff perfomances I have ever seen.

    All i have said – ALL ALONG- is that this team was better with the 2 goalies than we are today.

    Ask SF’09 how many teams have won the cup when their starting goalie has no recognized back -up??

    You might be glad that gauthier is at the helm.

    I am certainly not.

  • TomNickle says:

    Markov hasn’t been place on LTIR as of yet.  It’s my understanding that a player could be called up on a per game basis with Markov out.  

    If the player is on a two way deal they only get game checks for the time they play with the big club.

    Subban’s NHL salary is over $800k but I believe he only made $40k or so last season for his two games with us.

     

  • andrewberkshire says:

    James Neal, Marc Staal and Erik Johnson have something to say about that.

  • TomNickle says:

    Double post.

  • TomNickle says:

    The way it works is that you would have that $70k available on a per game basis if he isn’t on LTIR.

    So you could call up a player who earns $875k annually and pay them their game check which would be just under $11000.  

    To have a two way deal player up full time I suppose you would have to wait until Markov’s sat the full 10 games or however many it is and then you know that the reduction in Markov’s cap hit can pay the salary of the two way player for the duration of the season and not worry about having to send him down due to the expense.

     

  • HabFanSince72 says:

    On the other hand if Price has a bad start to the season, or even a few bad games, it’s gonna get  ugly.

     


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