Spector’s Top 10

Lyle Richardson, who blogs as Spector and knows his stuff, picks his All-Time Top Ten Canadiens

Guess who’s number one?

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Good news from this morning’s practice:

AK46 was back in gear, with Tomas Plekanec and Alex Kovalev.

The third line against Carolina tomorrow night will be Robert Lang between SK74 and Christopher Higgins.

The Koivu line remains intact, and Guy Carbonneau will chose his fourth line from among Maxim Lapierre, Mathieu Dandenault, Steve Bégin and Georges Laraque.


  1. DD says:

    No Ian, he has 11. The Roadrunner (my favourite player) had 10.

  2. nightmare_49 says:

    Your absolutely correct about Mikko and shouldn’t even be thought of due to his franchise status and also besides Bouwmeester why would any team give up a valuable ‘D’ if there a contender unless they get much better back.

  3. Bugs says:

    According to runes unearthed near the corner of Ontario and Pie-IX a few weeks back,
    Aurèle Joliat was ALSO a serious ass-kicker.
    Coulda given’im num10 outta respect.
    Peace Out
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  4. jimbo says:

    Saint Patty is one of the greatest of all times.To even think Montreal gets a sniff of their last 2 cups with him is absurd.Patrick was really the only reason to watch the canadiens in the 90’s.Oh,and about their offseason training,that’s why now they’re called professional atheletes,ask Wellwood on how the old school techniques are working out for him

  5. nightmare_49 says:

    Dave – How come when you get on the site the “flag as offensive” appears, it must be programed. Komo does normally sit when we’re behind and last year Streit was moved up from forward but i don’t remember what the coach did cuz i was on my 2nd medium size pitcher, lol. I’ll verify that you seldom bash players, notice i didn’t say posters.

  6. coachdoug says:

    Need to rack up some points on the Hurricanes Tuesday and the D needs to be working. Carolina is hurting so bad now this should be a confidence builder. No doubt the 5 days made the boys rusty.

  7. mrstewart61 says:

    I completely agree. Why is Breezer playing ahead of Dandy or O’Byrne? Just to get his 1000th game in a Habs jersey?? Not acceptable. Experience is only worth something if it helps us win!

    If a man speaks in a forest where no woman can hear him, is he still wrong?

  8. cautiousoptimist says:

    I’m with you Krob. I remember last year when Chara elbowed Kovalev in the head in a cheap shot along the boards, and Lats came out of nowhere and jumped at him. He didn’t do much damage, but he was all heart on that one, and he doesn’t like to see his teammates get sucker-punched.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  9. nightmare_49 says:

    The NHL Morning Papers (Monday Edition) : Schenn Sticks, Franzen out Four Weeks and Teppo Numminen just Happy to be Playing Hockey .. by Richard Pollock ….. http://www.illegalcurve.com/2008/10/27/nhl-morning-papers-monday-edition-schenn-sticking-in-toronto-flyers-organization-angry-at-fan-and-teppo-numminen-is-happy-to-be-back-playing-hockey/ …….. Recipe for a Loss .. by Stan Fischler ….. http://blogs.msg.com/gameon/2008/10/27/rangers-islanders-is-it-an-open-netter-for-the-blueshirts/ ……………………………… Brent Sutter the Coach, Brent Sutter the Father .. by Tom Gulitti ….. http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2008/10/brandon-sutter-improving.html

  10. sidhu says:

    I would start OB.

    We need to find our Brad Stuart for this season.

  11. Batalla says:

    I agree with that totally. I like Georges, but he’s been a bit of a liability and can’t get back into the defensive zone very quickly. Whereas Dandy has done just that.

    I also like that even though he *knows* this will be his last year (or half-year) with the Canadiens, he still gives 100% whenever he’s on the ice. That’s a professional. Glad to see he’s not pulling a Grabovski.

  12. Mr.Hazard says:

    Tanguay is tied for second in Shooting % (38.5) in the League, Koivu is 7th (30.8%). Rick Nash, with as many goals as Tanguay, is 94th.

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  13. Batalla says:

    Also… Learn to spell…

  14. Batalla says:

    I should read that. Sounds interesting that someone like Muller (who I like very much) would make that list given all the spectacular players who have played in Montreal. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to be on that list, I just I wonder what the criteria are… And now that you’ve told me he’s on the list, I suppose I should expect Damphousse and Turgeon?

  15. sidhu says:

    Welcome back AK46!

  16. sidhu says:

    I think Skrastins looked pretty good too. I don’t imagine it would take much to get him off the FLA roster.

  17. Batalla says:

    Sorry to have offended you with my immense stupidity.

  18. krob1000 says:

    Sorry this is so scattered but I got interrupted by my work a few times (imagine that…work interrupting my HIO time!)and I just kept typing….you get the jist though.

  19. krob1000 says:

    Great News about Andrei K!!! Anyone know if he has actually received any medical clearance and can be expected in the lineup or if today is just a test? It sure would be nice to see our top nine all i the lineup and see how things go. Lang with Higgins and Sergei will be a phenomenal third line and the top two are perfect the way they are. I am glad (actually jealous but ….) everyone had fun at the Summit. Sounds like it was a heck of a time.

    One note about our tough guys not being goal scorers and our goal scorers not being tough…..bullshi(t). Even our smallest guys are fearless to a fault in corners and don’t hesitate to drive to the net. They may not drop the goves but that definitely does not mean they aren’t tough. Getzlaf and Perry’s line played a decent game but I thought the whole game had a weird vibe to it. The flow was nonexistent and the defense was horrendous …..and that goes for both teams. Niedermayer, PRonger and Beauchemin didn’t exactly look stellar either and although our shot total was inflated there was definitely a higher than normal amount of quality scoring chances. The whole game was surreal and seemed to have that same weird feeling as the game that we played the Leafs on the last day of the season and the game agaisnt Philly that eliminated us.

    Kovy and Pleks are playing decent hockey and the points are soon to follow. Koivu, Lats and Tanguay are a perfect combination and LAts has been playing physical and appears willing to be the guy to stand up for Koivu on that line if anything happens. Lats is coming along nicely and I don’t doubt for a second he would go with a heavyweight this year if Saku was wronged in any way. Gorges strength training was evident too last game when there wasa scrum in front of the net he reached down and shoved upward at someone and I couldn’t help thinking that there was no way he could have done that last year.

    Bouillon is tough as nails, Laraques is the toughest in the league but I have one beef with him…..he is too into this respect thing. I can respect it in some regards but other teams are sending goons out after Komisarek it seems. Laraques won’t go after a guy who isn’t a goona and isn’t willing to fight……great principles Georges but unfortunately his moral standards are too high at times. I would have liked to see him try and sucker and yapat/bother/poke at either or both PRonger and Getzlaf (both of whom are beasts and capable of throwing down with the heavyweights)into a fight. I know Parros may have been forced into battle but either way there was a hit along the boards on Sergei K that I thought let some air out of our sails. By Laraques initiating that it may have provided a spark or even better could have drawn one of Anaheim’s better players into something. That IMO was an ideal time for Georges to go with someone…..he is too feared and often even goons decline his invitation but how many guys let up on us?? Georges…get mean and save the nice guy stuff for the local charities. We can handle the occasional instigator penalty if the trade off is momentum or a top player from the other team. How many other tough guys try and get Komi to drop em…..he gets swarmed at least once a game.

    I think the rest of the game was too weird to be very critical and although Anaheim got the win I am sure Randy Carlyle was not happy with his teams play either….that game could very well have been an 11-10 score….sloppy …just sloppy. That game and it’s ugliness (both teams)is behind us and it s time to move on.

  20. Ian G Cobb says:

    Great list, but for those who have never seen this man control not only the game when he was on the ice, but how he absolutely owned the league in his day.

    He was not flashy like the Rocket or as heavy a hitter as Robinson. I would put this amazing hockey player who could do it all at the top of my list.

    Mr. Douglas Harvey, one of the greatest hockey players of any era.

  21. tamzarien says:

    I’m excited to see the three lines roll tomorrow against Carolina for the first time this season. Hopefully AK 46 can get Pleks and Kovy going at even strength. If so, we’ll finally see the depth this team may have up front. I would also like to see Tom the bomb, Lapierre and Begin get a crack at the fourth line together. Although none of them are giants like Laraque, I think they have the speed, along with all of our other lines, to really tire teams out, and make us chase them all night.
    Hopefully the defense will show up against Carolina as well.

  22. MatttheHabsFan says:

    TC has posted a link to a top 100 a few posts down. Definitely an interesting read. Gainey and Carbo are both ranked quite highly (although I would probably have put Carbo a little lower). Kirk Muller also makes the list.

    Alex Kovalev ~ “I still have four fingers left”

  23. Hockey11 says:

    There is no game tonite.

  24. Batalla says:

    Great list. And, like was said in one of the comments on that site, it’d be pretty easy to create another list after that. Maybe someone should compile a Top 100 since this is the 100th season? I wonder if Gainey or Carbo (featured here: http://habsbros.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-would-you-do-with-cup-carbonneau.html) would make that list?

    Also, I agree with Prax. How can Tom the Bomb be out of the lineup tonight? He’s been solid so far this year.

  25. secretdragonfly says:

    As requested –

    As I’m sure most hockey fans are aware this season marks the 100th anniversary of the Montreal Canadiens.
    In honor of the occasion (and because I’m also a Canadiens fan) here’s my listing of the top ten Canadiens of all time.

    10. Bernie Geoffrion: Winner of the Calder Trophy as rookie of the year in 1952, a two time Art Ross winner as the league’s leading scorer and winner of the Hart as league MVP in 1961 and played on six Stanley Cup championship teams in the 1950s. “Boom Boom” played much of his best years in the shadow of Rocket Richard and thus never got the full credit he deserved for his great career as a Hab. His innovating use of the slap shot made him the second player in NHL history to score 50 goals.

    9. Ken Dryden: 1971 Conn Smythe winner, 1972 Calder winner, and a five-time winner of the Vezina trophy as the league’s top goaltender, Dryden backstopped the Canadiens to six Stanley Cups in only 8 seasons, losing only 57 times and posting 46 shutouts in 397 career regular season games, posting a stunning .790 winning percentage and a career GAA of 2.24. His critics claimed he had it easy playing for the Habs dynasty of the late 1970s, but to a man his teammates say otherwise, praising him for providing the strong goaltending which helped them win four straight championships.

    8. Larry Robinson: Two time winner of the Norris trophy as the NHL’s top defenseman, the 1978 Conn Smythe as playoff MVP and played on six Stanley Cup championship teams. “Big Bird” was the stalwart of the Canadiens defense corps in the 1970s and 1980s. He could do it all: score, hit, fight and play a strong two-way game. His plus-minus rating of +120 in 1976-77 is second only to Bobby Orr’s single season plus-minus record of +124 and holds the record for most consecutive seasons in the playoffs with 20, 17 of those spent with the Canadiens.

    7. Patrick Roy: A three time winner of the Vezina Trophy, Roy won the Conn Smythe trophy as playoff MVP twice by carrying two average Canadiens teams to the Stanley Cup in 1986 and 1993. “Saint Patrick” was also a six time all-star prior to his bitter departure from the team in December 1995. During most of his ten-plus years with the Canadiens Roy was their only superstar, and compiled the bulk of his regular season and playoff victories records as a Hab. His innovative use of the butterfly style of goaltending was widely imitated and is now the standard style of goaltending in the NHL.

    6. Doug Harvey: The first defenseman to win the Norris trophy as league’s best defenseman seven consecutive years (only Bobby Orr matched and broke that record), Harvey was the pioneer for the rushing defenseman. He played on six Stanley Cup winners in Montreal, including the great dynasty of the late 1950s, where tremendous skating and passing ability helped the Canadiens win five consecutive championships, using his skills to control the pace of the game. He was also an outspoken critic of the hockey establishment and with Detroit’s Ted Lindsay helped to set the stage for the eventual formation of the NHL Players Association.

    5. Howie Morenz: A three time winner of the Hart Trophy and a frequent scoring leader, Morenz was considered pro hockey’s first true superstar, called “the Babe Ruth of Hockey” and “The Stratford Steak” during his heyday in the 1920s. He used his great overall talent, especially his speed, to rack up impressive goal totals (including a 40-goal season in 1929-30) in an era of restricted forward passing. Morenz’s tremendous abilities would carry the Canadiens to three Stanley Cup championships before his premature death in 1937.

    4. Jacques Plante: Winner of the Vezina Trophy six times with the Canadiens, including five in a row from 1956 to 1960, a member of six Stanley Cup winners and the Hart Trophy as league MVP in 1962, Plante was not only a major component in the Canadiens “five in a row” championship dynasty in the late 1950s, he was also a goaltending innovator, particularly in the use of wearing a mask to protect his face from injury. Few goaltenders in NHL history have dominated that position as well as Plante did during his years with the Canadiens.

    3. Guy Lafleur: Three time winner of the Art Ross and Pearson trophies, two-time winner of the Hart as league MVP, the 1977 Conn Smythe winner as playoff MVP and a member of five Stanley Cup winners, Lafleur was the straw that stirred the drink for the Canadiens in the late 1970s, carrying them to four straight championships. During that time he was the game’s undisputed superstar, thrilling crowds with his end-to-end rushes, his blazing shot and dazzling play-making. The image of Lafleur in full flight with his blond hair streaming in the wind earned him the nickname “Le Demon Blonde” in Quebec. Long after his retirement Lafleur still remains among the greatest and most popular players in Canadiens history.

    2. Jean Beliveau: Winner of the Hart Trophy twice, the Art Ross as scoring leader in 1956 and the first winner of the Conn Smythe in 1965, Beliveau played on a mind-boggling ten Stanley Cup championship teams during his career, captaining the Habs to five of those championships. “Le Gros Bill” was the forerunner of big, smooth-skating , talented forwards like Mario Lemieux and was an inspiration to future Hab Guy Lafleur. Beliveau carried himself with class, dignity and confidence throughout his career, earning him the respect of teammates and opponents alike.

    1. Maurice Richard: No player was or is as beloved as Richard. “The Rocket” came to symbolize the Canadiens, playing with ferocious skill, speed and determination which powered the Habs to eight Stanley Cups. He was the greatest goal-scorer of his era and became the first player to score 50 goals in 50 games in a season, a record which stood for 37 years until broken by Wayne Gretzky. It was in the playoffs where Richard shone his brightest, setting league records for regulation goals, game winners and overtime goals which would not be broken for decades, making him one of the great clutch playoff scorers of all time. Richard remains to the day the true symbol of the franchise.

  26. Ian G Cobb says:

    This is exactly the best fit with Koivu, Tanguay and Latandress, If kept together, this line will be one of the best lines in the league.

    It will take Andre K. a game or two to push the Kovalev, Pleks line up to last years solid play. They will stay together this year also.

    Lang, Higgins and Sergie K. will develop into a solid 3rd line if given the time together. Once they get the chemistry down pat, no team”s 3rd line will be able to keep up. So this line should draw the most penalties in the league.

    We have 4 solid guys to round out the 4th line and are able to change momentum of any game with there hard work and tenacity.

    Our kids on the point will have the seasoning in a few months to round out a solid 7 men.

    Two great kids in net that will push each other all year long as they acquire experience in this league.

    And finaly, Guy will be coach of the year.

    After the new year, this team is going to start to show why we are going to be in the finals this year.

  27. Fer_hab says:

    Can anyone copy and pase the top 10 list please. I don;t have access to that site from work.

    Finally we have our full line-up projected lineup.

    Latts-Kap C-Tanger
    Lil Demon-Langer-Higgy
    4th Line rotation.

    The only weak point so far has been our TEAM D.

    I don;t know about you guys but Jay Boumeester would look very very good on our team as a Top 4 D-Man.

    What do you guys think it will take to get this UFA out of Florida.

  28. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Tough to pick 10. Who do you leave off to make room for Georges Vezina or Henri Richard but how do you leave them off? I’d have to include Henri and his eleven cups. No one will ever touch that record. One of the goalies, other than Plante, would have to go. I’d say Roy due to the fact that a lot of his success was recorded elsewhere.

  29. Prax says:

    Eric Engels suggested something interesting on Hockeybuzz…

    Sit out Breezer and O’Byrne and put Dandenault next to Bouillon as the 6th d-man.

    I like it tbh, Dandy’s worked hard this season so far and he should be rewarded, not sat out.

    then basically the battle on the 4th would be between Big Georges and Big Steve to go on Lapierre’s wing along with Tom the Bomb.

  30. G-Man says:

    Hey SlovakHab, Pleks will get his points. His frustration was showing by the end of the game Saturday. I think that’ll give him more ammunition for Tuesday against the Canes. BTW, it is his work ethic that got him to where he is.
    I’d like to have Mikko,too, but I think Saku will join his brother in Minnesota before Mikko comes to the Habs via a trade. He is the Wild’s franchise player right now. Gaborik is , well, Gaborik. Who needs a whiny injury-prone guy like him?
    Even after Saturday’s performance, I still believe in the D we have. It’s way too early in the season for a blockbuster trade. I also don’t think any team is willing to give up a Bouwmeester, Beauchemin or Robidas right now, either. Does anyone on this site think that the GMs of other teams have given up (besides Toronto)and are willing to throw every player they have overboard?

    2008/09 is the season of the Habs

  31. DD says:

    Carbo sat Komisarek out for the last part of the game, probably because of the mistakes you mentioned. Too bad that rule doesn’t apply for Brisbois because he was brutal all night. I counted at least 7 bad turn-overs in our end during the game directly attributed to him.

    BTW I don’t usually bash Brisbois, so please don’t put me in the “you guys” category, but as I said, I thought he stood out like a sore thumb all night.

  32. SlovakHab says:

    Fellow Bulldog Matt D’Agostini has been on a fire lately (10 points in 7 games)

    We seriously have depth, considering he’s probably an NHL player and deserves a shot, however, he may not get a chance this year unless we have some serious injuries or a trade.

    Speaking of trades, I hope BG will pull out a couple of good ones this year. We all know that we have depth up front and a shaky defence. No mention to goalies, they are just fine as they are.

    We need a 4th D-man and I would like to see Bouwmeester, Beauchemin or Robidas, or…. traded for a couple of forwards we have abundance of. There is heaps of options, we could trade TTB, D’Agostini, Dandy, Begin.. God knows we love them all, but we can’t play them all..

    There were many rumours about a possible trade with Minnesota. Well, we can agree we probably don’t need Gaborik, as he’s too injury prone, not a huge team guy, and we already have mid-sized goalscorers on the team etc.

    One player I would love to see traded from Minnesota to MTL is Mikko Koivu!
    He would keep his brother happy on the team for another 2 seasons, he is a good centreman, still hasn’t reached his prime, fast, can score, doesn’t shy away from the physical game. !IF! they don’t establish chemistry on Pleks line this year, I would not mind trading Pleks and Kostoupulos for M. Koivu and reuniting Lang with Kovy.

    I know many of you love Pleks and will bash me, but I just wanna have a little debate here:
    Did Pleks overachieve last season?
    Is he particularly great in anything?

    This is just a fantasy talk here – something for a debate. I quite like the team as it is now and only wish for another quality defenceman.

    Peace Out.

  33. DD says:

    I understand that it can be hard to pick the top ten Habs of all time, but I think to exclude the Pocket Rocket is criminal. Scotty Bowman said his drean team would have been a full team of Henri Richards.

    The guy could skate like the wind, never quit and has 11 rings to prove it. One for each finger including his thumbs and extra one to do whatever the hell he felt like doing with it. (Get your mind out of the gutter, Lee Hayes)

  34. 24 Cups says:

    I know it’s a little late, but here are some observations on Saturday’s game, a contest that I attended in person.
    – Halak seemed very awkward and uncomfortable, he was fighting the puck throughout his stay in net
    – Habs bounced back but then the Markov-Tanguay blunder was game over
    – the phantom Kovalev penalty makes you wonder why we bother to have two refs on the ice
    – poor Brisebois had one of the worst shifts in recent memory,just brutal
    – the entire Hab defense was terrible, even Markov. This was much more than Brisebois’ sub par performance. Everyone was guilty as charged as far as I’m concerned.
    – the Getzlaf line outmuscled the Habs all night long. They intimidated us. The point stated by Krob (see below) about Laraque was well made. All that I would add is that Carbo (as well as Laraque) has to rethink the best utilization of this player. We still got our butts kicked physically, even though we had a heavyweight in the lineup
    – seeing the game live gives you a totally different perspective on how plays unfold and the true value of what players bring to the team. In person, you really get to see how special Tanguay is – shades of the Flying Frenchmen no doubt. On the other hand, at least for this one specific game, you could see the limitations of Higgins and Komi
    – in the end, the Habs didn’t utilize their speed and skill which allowed Anaheim to dictate the terms of the game. On this given night, the best team won.

    Going for the Brass Ring – 25 Cups in 100 Years

  35. likehoy says:

    time to trade lats when his values high for ovechkin while his values low!

  36. Habsrule1 says:

    Breezer was not the only one to make mistakes. You guys see what you want. It’s almost laughable sometimes. I saw Komi, who I love, make 3 glaring mistakes, but all I ever read about is Brisebois.

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!


  37. Habsrule1 says:

    Valid points Mike! They are both excellent. I think it’s a matter of personal preference at this point.

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!


  38. MikeMcLaren says:

    I trust Bob Gainey’s judgment 99%

    The other 1% is Brisebois. Once Patrice retires, that number goes up to 100.


  39. DD says:

    For the life of me, I don’t understand why Carbo decided to go with Breezer over O Byrne against the Ducks, now that the Cube is back. (Who had a great game, BTW) I was totally surprised to see him dressed Saturday. The Ducks are an inherently a tough, physical team to play against and it was obvious to me that Patrice was way over his head. He made several errant passes due to the solid forechecking by the Ducks forwards, he coughed up the puck on numerous occasions due to this pressure and he took a cheap hooking penalty in our zone because of his ineptitude.

    O Byrne would have been better suited to play this style of game, where as, the Breezer was brutal all night. I can understand using him against softer, offensive type teams, but Saturday he stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I understand that Brisbois did have a good play off run last year, but that does not mean he should get the benefit of the doubt, night in and night out this year. In my opinion, he should be used as a stop gap and play occasionally and to give others D-men a rest once in a while.

    This game has lead me to the conclusion that we need another solid top 4 defenseman. I love the play of the Cube and Georges, and think that they make a solid 3rd pair, with O Byrne subbing but Hamrlik needs a dependable offensively minded counter part.

    I’m willing to bet that Bob Gainey is looking for someone as we speak.

  40. MikeMcLaren says:

    These cross-generational things are so difficult to figure out.

    What happens if you put Dryden in a time machine and give him Roy’s equipment and the 80’s/90’s team in front of him?

    What happens if you throw Roy in a time machine and give him Dryden’s equipment and the 1970’s team in front of him?

    Like you, I still think Roy would put up better numbers. Not saying that Dryden would be a “mere” Brian Hayward or anything.

    And how does Jacques Plante fit into the whole picture?


  41. Habsrule1 says:

    I agree with you. Just imagine Patrick Roy playing with the Habs in the 70’s!

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!


  42. Bugs says:

    Maybe it’s because I’m French but I always liked Gui!. I’m one of those who DOES think that he can be a LeClair.
    Hey, Gui certainly isn’t a Joe Thornton, right? Yet, how did JOE do when HE was 19 and 20?
    Kids need patience, no? Why? Cuz at one point, that patience will pay off.
    Is it not paying off with Gui?
    Shame on you, Batman. Why so serious?
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  43. krob1000 says:

    I think Patrick took his teams and carried them on his shoulders….Kenny made the big saves when he needed to. Both were integral parts of their teams but is undeniable that Roy was more valuable to his teams Cup wins than Dryden was. Both times Roy won the Cup he also won the Conn Smythe (Dryden did this in his rookie year too though)….I know it shouldn’t count in the Canadiens ranking but to then leave, win the Cup with who used to be the Nordiques after being traded amid so much controversy…..that just confirmed what most knew all along….Patrick was the reason we won Cups in 86 and 93.

  44. MikeMcLaren says:

    I think to be fair you need to look at the team Schneider’s playing on.

    I would HAPPILY have a Schneider back there or a Kaberle back there or an O’Byrne back there rather than Brisebois.


  45. Habsrule1 says:

    I personally think Roy was better than Dryden, but it’s not a given. I’m sure you’ll have many fans say the opposite.

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!


  46. LatheDog says:

    Does everyone agree with Patrick Roy rated ahead of Ken Dryden? In my opinion those two spots should be swapped for each other.

  47. Batalla says:

    Man, am I with you on #1. Gui! is one of those guys that everyone kept saying would be awesome, but I just NEVER saw it. He’s been much better this year, but he still misses the gaping nets every so often, so he still has a ways to go.

    I’m with you on #4, but then again, Ryder is no LeClair. He’s just not likely to make us regret the move (or lack of signing anyways), like LeClair did.

    Can we really be surprised that CBC would hire Milbury? The guy’s a totally nut-job (re: Islanders), but he fits right in. The second he starts saying how great Newfies are, that’s when we know the CBC has turned him for good.

    I’m a Habs fan, but as much as I love them, I’d saying getting to the conference finals might even be a stretch. I figure they’ll either go to the Finals, or lose in the second round. It’s really all about momentum for this team.

  48. MikeMcLaren says:

    Well in the interest of full disclosure I am absolutely one of the charter members of the “gutless bastards” club, as Gainey calls us.

    I have a profound dislike for Brisebois’ play and his actions towards the end of his first stint with the club. I was never a fan of the amazing pairing of Traverse and Patrice. I just wasn’t.

    Here is my problem at this point. I think there are better options. These options exist either outside the club or down in Hamilton. I would rather have someone make mistakes and then learn from them rather than continually make the same mistakes over and over again.

    Komisarek falls into the former and Brisebois the latter. O’Byrne the former and Brisebois the latter. Georges the former… you know where I’m going with that.

    Patrice Brisebois is, thankfully, in the twilight of his career. He isn’t getting any better. When he makes a mistake, as he does many times a game, it only magnifies my frustration over his career on a macro level.

    O’Byrne is better than he was last year. He’s not throwing pucks out in front of the net, he’s taking the body more and he’s not stealing purses.

    I do understand your point, the 6 goals weren’t all Brisebois’ fault, but oy vey it’s just a pattern that repeats again and again.


  49. doug says:

    Here are my random thoughts re: hockey today:

    1. Guillaume Latendresse, who I despised and disparaged last year, who didn’t deserve to be the one guy never in the doghouse, who I got sick of hearing getting defended on here. . . is a much, much better hockey player this year.

    2. Patrice Brisebois, who also fit the above description, is not. . . but he doesn’t bother me that much anymore. If he dresses for the playoffs. . .

    3. I can’t believe that Keith Tkachuk has eight goals or something already this year. I believe that Tkachuk’s return to goal-scoring, Bertuzzi’s solid play, and the recent decline of the American empire are all signs of Armageddon. . . in that order.

    4. I went on far past the due date saying that Michael Ryder would be a mistake, that he’d make us pay, that he’d get a hat trick in his first game against us, and that he was a great guy. I stand by the last one, and was dead wrong on the others; don’t miss him one bit.

    5. When someone is on television for years and proves he’s a fool, you don’t hire him. No one’s knocking down Don Cherry’s door to try to give him any sort of management job. So in that spirit, why would anyone ever, ever have decided that Barry Melrose was the last piece of the puzzle for Tampa Bay’s planned resurgence (i.e., the Flyers of ’09-’10?) And while Mike Milbury’s longevity on the Island will never make sense to anyone who watched him make goaltenders cry during arbitration, trade his best players, etc. . . how is he being given another life on HNIC and my local Bruins’ broadcasts?

    6. I predict the following for the playoffs, in the order assigned:

    New York Rangers

    (And I expect the Rangers to not be in the playoffs in one to two years due to a poor understanding of the cap combined with unexpected currency and financial crisis ramifications)

    7. And finally, and sadly for you centennial nostalgists, the Habs will bow out in the conference championship (but note my very poor imitation of Nostradamus in the first few points above.)

  50. nightmare_49 says:

    It’s Early but Still Interesting Notes : For those that were lobbying Gainey to obtain Mathieu Schneider(D)and his big contract over a month ago he’s minus -8, though plus/minus is a guide this isn’t a great start, other notables in the minus are Rod Brind’Amour at -5 and Chris Phillips at -6 and even more puzzling is Mike Fisher -5 and Kris Draper at -6 but both have no points. Marc Streit is averaging 26 mins/game and is a respectable minus 2 under the circumstances. I hope Lats#84 doesn’t get a fat head but he’s one point ahead of Alex Ovechkin and has a game in hand.

  51. Hockey11 says:

    I would like to see Dandy appointed #7 D man and let him get in some D reps at practice. He is a far better alternative than u know who. He has speed youth and experience at the position and he is a team guy.

  52. RetroMikey says:

    Never underestimate the Canes.
    I’ve got a feeling that it won’t be easy for us tomorrow night as well.
    We’ll have to work hard to get the W tomorrow night.
    Glad to see Andre K back!
    I want to see an offensive explosion tomorrow night proving that we mean business!

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  53. TC says:

    Without Roy you can subtract two Cups off the Habs totals. I don’t know that Richard was ever that valuable on any of his 11 cup totals.


  54. TC says:

    I like Gump as much as the next guy but I don’t know if I’d put him ahead of Durnan, Hainsworth, and Vezina.


  55. Robert L says:

    Patrick Roy ahead of Henri Richard?

    Never, never, never!

    11 Stanley Cups and some folks still miss what his contributions were.

    I also suggest there is a place in the top 10 for either of Newsy Lalonde (124 goals in 99 NHL games) or Georges Vezina (325 straight games played). Without the contributions of those two from 1910 to the mid 1920’s, we aren’t here arguing the merits of Patrick Roy’s two Cups!

  56. nightmare_49 says:

    m m – I see you have a “soft” spot for little ‘D’. We already have enough small ‘D’. SIZE dude.

  57. Canus says:

    Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen Carbo put Laraque on the PP. Personally, I think it would be a good try, to put that huge frame in front of the goalie, and just sit there. We really don’t have anyone on this team that creates havoc in front of the net, and we desperately need one.

  58. kostityns746 says:

    i agree, with the 4th D-MAN. i think even though we’ve only played a few games and its early in the season, offense is not going to be a problem. our depth this year is amazing. we have 4 solid lines, which on any given night, atleast 3 of them seem to be finding the back of the net. all this , without kovy and pleks, really heating up yet. and now with higginsback, and obviousely will take him a few games to get his groove and timing back and AK47 back, we should have no problems. as for our D , i think we have a good situation, 3 solid D , with lotso f young prospects to fill in case of injuries, but rathen then bring in a sundin or gaborik who may disturb team chemistry, i feel we need a gritting 4th DMAN, with some playoff experience. Example, a JASON SMYTH, PRONGER/ Niedermayer type of defenseman. question is who? and what do we trade for it ????

  59. zamboni says:

    Absolutely right, Breezer was not the only one to make mistakes, but the fact remains that Breezer is by far the weakest link on this team and the only reason he is getting the ice time is because of his buddy who happens to coach the team.
    If you watched all of the previous games, you would have sensed that he is a weak link in an otherwise very strong team, unless of course you happen to wear Carbo branded glasses.

    Breezer had a better game than OB against Pheonix, but that shouldn’t warrant him to dress instead of OB specially against a team like the Ducks.

    If you pay close attention to his play, anytime he senses a check, he leaves the puck and tries to avoid the check, regardless of his usefulness as a 7th D, on any given day, I prefer to dress a rookie over Breezer.

    The reality is that a rookie can only get better with added ice time, and Breezer can only get worse with added ice time (age, physical fragility …)

    I didn’t want to harp on the Breezer while we were winning, even though it was warranted, I just hope the coach draws a line between friendship and a professional obligation.

  60. SlovakHab says:

    yea, that probably settles it now.
    Let’s see how the season goes.

    Two weeks ago, Peter Budaj was one of the worst goalies in the league, now he got the week’s second star.

    This fact speaks, other than of P.B. inconsistency, also about things changing quickly in hockey. Hence if we want to do some strategic decisions, we might need to wait a little and see how the team goes.

    There might be a good defenceman on the market in a few months, sleeping with his GM’s wife or stealing his coach’s lunchbox, that might come cheap.
    You know how the Avs got Roy, hot the Stars got Ribs.. Or how Slovan Bratislava got Lazo (if you happen to watch Slovak league, which I’m sure about) :)

  61. nightmare_49 says:

    Dave – Great to see you and Eric at the summit and your post points out what puzzles me, decisions. O’Bryne should be given the first thirty games to prove himself, good times and bad, especially after our start and against a physical team like Anaheim. Carbo goes out of his way to promote some of his young players and also goes out of his way to ruin the confidence of others like O’Bey, Halak, Chips and D’Agostini and it proves my point that he is inconsistent and his judgement is all about putting his stamp on this great team, it’s all about Carbo and his ego and it will never change no matter how well these young players do, Carbo has already decided and he’s a genius in his own mind and the pattern is there and the mould is set. God i wish Julien had this team and their resources. I’m sure Gainey will get us a big veteran shutdown ‘D’ before the deadline.

  62. Kaptain K says:

    I was also at the game, and you couldn’t of come up with a better analysis


  63. HabLion says:

    As Mike states below, it’s impossible to compare the two. How would Roy do with poor equipment, off-season’s of getting fat and smoking, and without the evolution of goaltending style. Same goes for Dryden the other way. As for the “Patrick took his teams and carried them on his shoulders”, I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement and hope Robert L is here to give you a link to his blog on this topic. I haven’t heard it put better. I put Roy behind Dryden just because of his classless behaviour.

  64. Fant-HAB-ulous says:

    You know I love Pleks…so maybe I see him through rose coloured lenses but on most nights –

    He’s our best face off man.
    He gets back REAL quick.
    He does this great thing with his skate where he lifts up the toe on the right, and you know something special is about to happen.

    I don’t think he overachieved last year at all. Even the year before last he started to really contribute offensively.

  65. Ian G Cobb says:

    DD, He has 13 does he not?

  66. HabLion says:

    We give Komi the benefit of the doubt because it doesn’t happen every time he is on the ice. Everyone has an off game, no one on the team doesn’t. However, no one is as consistently off as Brisebois.

  67. Ian G Cobb says:

    For your information when talking the ranking of goaltenders gets put up, it is undisputed, cause I say. 1st Jacque Plante, 2nd Patrick Roy, 3rd Ken Dryden, and 4th The Gumper Worsley

  68. StillattheMapes says:

    We’ve already had the booing and the hooting. Remember, this is a tough crowd — and more than a few sometimes they have been completely and routinely irrational — these “Romans” have boo-ed Serge Savard (brutally a few times) and yet have still managed to forgive him… like lions and tigers eyeing each other wondering about scraps on the plains of the Serengeti or in the motions in the jungle. Basic savages. They have boo-ed many players, even – yes even — a few grrrs towards my favorite (10). But this is basic hmmmm. But I really (really) do not like MTL (my city) booing the US National Anthem. Just stop that s…t. If you really want the city-state status that you wish, disengage the anchor and float past the rest….

    If I had to do a trade this year, well, none, maybe a “7D” pickup (No, I am actually talking this “D” s…t stuff) or maybe a real investment for another big guy to go with, but not all this “3rd-4th ‘D’ and all this “HS” — look we have a very good team. Geez, just let them play for a few games….. va bene

  69. jkmorris says:

    Nice to see AK46 back. I totally agree with Carolina GM Jim Rutherford. The league talks like it wants to eliminate shots to the head, but does nothing to elimiante it. A player can body check without going up high. I would like to see the league reaction if Sidney Crosby gets his bell rung and sustains a serious concussion.

  70. 24 Cups says:

    Mike – great point. Just as we get ready to retire Roy’s number, we will also be witnessing Brodeur’s changing of the guard in the record books. Objective fans of the game will have a very difficult time selecting the best goalie of all time. Not to even mention the career statement made by Terry Sawchuk.

    Going for the Brass Ring – 25 Cups in 100 Years

  71. DD says:

    I didn’t check this out but someone told me Pleky had 13 shots on net Saturday. Don’t worry about that line, they will get over this hump and start flashing the red light soon enough. They certainly have had the chances.

  72. RetroMikey says:

    Is it me, or do I sense the players are overconfident going into the season tagged to finish first in the East this season?

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  73. Les-Habitants says:

    Hopefully the loss to the Ducks woke them up

  74. Kilgore Trout says:

    Slightly off-topic, but it’s a slow Habs news day:
    Swedish hockey fans delay match with dildo downpour

  75. Fant-HAB-ulous says:


  76. Prax says:

    No Kostopoulos? I guess his goal meant nothing…

  77. Hoegarden says:

    3 of the top 10 are goalies ! Henri Richard should to be in there with 11 Stanley Cup rings. This is one record that likely will never be equalled.

  78. JIMVINNY says:

    That is one record that will stand till the end of time. The NHL will be forgotten long before that record will be.

  79. Alex Leduc says:

    I agree. Why not Tom the Bomb?
    And I would try Higgins on Koivu’s line, because of their history.

    AK46 Pleks Kovy
    Higs Koivu Tang
    Lats Lang SK74
    Tom Laps BGL

    This would be unstoppable.

    Sit useless Dandy and Begin

  80. HabsColor says:

    AK46 Pleks Kovy
    Higs Koivu Tang
    xxx Lang SK74

    This would be Habs’ perfect top 3 lines. But, now, Higgins is not ready to be there cuz he has been away for too long time. Look at his last play! He needs 2-3 games to retrieve the feeling. He will be back soon, for sure.

  81. Hockey11 says:

    Team had not lost with useless Dandy, what is your beef? He has been very solid and is a better skater than Begin and BGL and he is more responsible defensively than TTB of Mental Max. He is also better at D than Breezer. Does not appear useless to me!!

    Look at the playoffs last year. We won with Dandy and as soon as Carbo put in 84 we lost almost every game. I want my fourth line to be a defensive line, that is how I judge them.

  82. tony d says:

    ‘useless’ is an adjective that should be reserved for Brisebois only
    don’t get me started!

  83. justintime says:

    4th line should be Lapierre with Kostopoulos and Laraque…

    And I hope O’Byrne is back in the lineup in place of Brisebois! I’d rather have a young kid making mistakes than an old veteran…

  84. Hockey11 says:

    BGL is very rusty and should rotate in and out of the line up until he shows he is anywhere near game condition. Dandy should be #7 D, Breezer is done.

  85. Mr.Hazard says:

    So finally a full line-up?

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  86. Sakus Evil Twin says:


    Given Tom’s work-rate and his goal on Saturday it’s hard to believe his name in an omission in error.

    Although I think the 4th line will rotate frequently this year, I agree wholeheartedly with the consensus of Laraque, LaPierre and Kostopoulos.

    A shout out also to the following who shared closely in an awesome day on Saturday. You’ll doubtless be unsurprised to know that I spent Sunday with the mother of all hangovers – but so worth it. I also don’t think I’ve been that wet since I was born.

    – Chorsky
    – Jason
    – I owe the Dragonflies a beer or 7.
    – Sul…
    – Connecticut Man
    – and all the others who’s tags have been lost to one too many pints of Moosehead.

    Congrats to Ian et al for organising a stellar day out!

    I’ll post photos when they’re good’n ready.

    I like cake and I like women

  87. Les-Habitants says:

    That’s the best 4th line we can put out there…maybe with Begin switching in, at either LW or C, from time to time.

  88. TC says:

    Doug Harvey at #6, way too low. Personally, I don’t know how Henri Richard eludes the top ten.

    An alternate ranking.



  89. sidhu says:

    Imagine if Flyers or Blues fans did the same when Palin came on the ice….

  90. 24 Cups says:

    TC – you beat me to the punch. I will always appreciate the fact that Roy won the last two Cups for us but this JCSS status is a little much for me. To even think about rating him ahead of true Hab legends (that you just mentioned in your reply) is laughable. Once Brodeur extends his records and finally retires, Roy fans are going to have to get used to the fact that Patrick was the second greatest goalie of the modern era.

    Going for the Brass Ring – 25 Cups in 100 Years

  91. Habsrule1 says:

    I agreed with you to a point, up until the last line. The fact that Brodeur breaks a couple, or even all of Roy’s records in the regular season will not prove he is/was a better goalie than Patrick. I’ll put Roy’s 3 Conn Smyths up against anything Brodeur accomplishes. Roy’s outstanding play in the playoffs is why he is the best of all time, in my humble opinion. I’d even venture to say that while he was all about winning always, he never quite turned it on until the playoffs started.

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!


  92. krob1000 says:

    There is one point that gets overlooked when we compare our stars of yesterday and their winning tradition to today’s ….the fact that every year they had a one in six chance of winning is VERY significant. I will not get sucked into harping on any of our greats to me based on the FAR GREATER difficulty level of winning cups in the moderna era with far more teams I think Roy’s achievements are that much more special. NO other player has been the Go to Guy on teams that were not dynasty or mini dynasty teams and pulled off what he did. Lemieux and his Penguins were a force for a three or four year window, Brodeur’s Devils…a perrennial powerhouse, the Wings….ditto, the Islanders, Oilers, Canadiens of the 70’s …..all dynasties…….Roy was the dynasty….that is what is so special about him. The fact that he has been a jerk at times has marred his rep but his play is IMO definitely up there with the big boys. Saying Brodeur is better than Roy based on statistics is like saying Mark Messier is the second best forward of all time because statistically he is. The reality is you can’t compare apples and oranges but there are no apples that compare to Roy…the game was different back then and our legends are legends for a reason. Roy is the best goalie of his generation and the best goalie of the next generation will be said to be the best of all itme and so on. Roy’s generation of fans, like him or not will almost unanimously agree that he is the best of his time….that alone makes him deserving to be on that list.

  93. Robert L says:

    When people get going in this “all time best business”, how come the perspective of different era’s never works it’s way into the conversation. Lots of what is read in regards to Roy being the all time best is so convoluted, it is frankly laughable.

    It is akin to suggesting that U2 are a better band than the Beatles were because they have sold more concert tickets (fact) and more records (not).

    Players from previous era’s cannot compete numbers wise, as not enough games were played in a season back then. Factor in that for all players that ice condition and equipement were inferior to today’s products, that rules differed and evolved, that NHL competition was more intense, defensive schemes were not as defined, and so on.

    Then you can get into the who made who great argument. Why is Plante considered inferior to Roy because the latter made perceived weaker teams better? Is there any conscience given to Plante making a great team greater? How will it ever be known?

    It will be trumpeted loudly when Martin Brodeur passes Patrick Roy’s win benchmark that the Devil’s stopper is now the greatest goalie of all time. He won’t be, he’ll just be the winningest.

    In truth, numbers often fail to tell an entire story. They are in fact more of a resource guideline than anything else, at best.

    I’ve done incredible amounts of research into the game’s history, and learn an awful large amount every time I read. I’ll never consider that I have any more knowledge than someone who’s lived to tell and offer their perspective. Speaking with some older fans at this weekends game, I grasped that fact pretty fast.

    I have an older friend that doesn’t agree that Jacques Plante was better than Bill Durnan or Turk Broda, two men generally considered by experts to be among the best ever. Most fans arguing Roy’s status today likely don’t even know of these men.

    All told, it takes an incredibly in depth historical perspective to back up and make a valid argument for any player today ever being the best. Placing Roy in the Canadiens top three players of all time is quite a contentuous proposition, regardless of hallucinogenic intake consumed.

    Years ago, I had a similar argument going with a Wayne Gretzky fan over who was the greatest goalscorer of all time. He relied strictly on numbers, which has a certain merit of course. When I brought up Rocket Richard’s 50 in 50, he shrugged it off as a fluke of sorts. After I informed him of the circumstances of the era’s game, and pointed out that Richard played eight or nine times a season against the same heated rivals, he stopped talking. Once I underlined that Rocket actually went a span of 87 games over a season and a half, scoring 91 goals, the Gretzky feat lost a little polish.

    For the record, Richard scored 23 goals after returning from injury in the final 22 games of the 1943-44 season. In the Habs Cup run that followed, he added 12 more in nine games. The following season he achieved the 50 in 50 mark, adding six more in six playoff games.

    Of further curious note, Richard felt he was a finished player in his final three seasons with Montreal. He felt beaten down and old, defeated by injuries and father time. All Richard managed in those three injury plagued campaigns were seasons of 15, 17, and 19 goals, or 51 in a combined 121 regular season games. In 22 playoffs game in those years, he added 12 more. A quick calculation shows that he scored in close to 40% of his team’s games as a “finished” 38 year old. Oh yeah, he won Cups in those years as well.


    As a 38 year old, Wayne Greztky scored 9 goals on a Rangers team outside the playoffs two year’s running. Now there’s no doubt who has scored more career goals, but who truly was the game’s greatest goal scorer?

    Rocket never got to chew up on the Winnipeg Jets or Canucks. Gretzky never faced a fierce 1950’s Red Wings or Canadiens dynasty nine games a season.

    Never undervalue the context of history.

  94. TC says:

    We can debate the best goalies of all-time until we’re blue in the face … but the most important ???

    Undoubtedly, Jacques Plante.


  95. krob1000 says:

    Then Boom Boom Geoffrion must be up there then as well as he lit the same heated rivals up for a scoring title…..I will agree and I did point out that it is like comparing apples and oranges and different eras but the argument works both ways. Yes the game was different but it could be argued that the Rocket benefitted by laying the same teams over and over by learning their nuances as well. As for the longevity crap …is Chris Chelios then the best defensmen ever because he is old….that is laughable. Bobby Orr ….is he not one of the best because by 38 he was selling Planters peanuts…..ridiculous. In Richard’s day the debate was strong and from everything I have read very divided as to who the better player was…..Howe or Richard. Gretzky absolutely DOMINATED his era and was in a league by himself for 10 years. IMO in the modern era only three athletes have achieved Gretzky like domination…..Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods and Roger Federer. On top of Gretzk’s own scoring ability he turned Bernie friggin Nicholls into a 150 point guy ….Bernie Nicholls. Gretzky made everyone else a better goal scorer too. Richard is easily the best Habs goal scorer of all time but even with my passion for the HAbs I cannot possibly imagine anyone ever coming up with an argument to even slightly sway my view that Gretzky is hands down the best player of all time.
    You can’t really compile an accurate all time list as everyones will be different and everyone will have a skewwed personal flavour.. What we can say about Roy is that he is the best goalie since expansion……that is pretty damn impressive….you can argue with Marty and you will have a good argument but Roy will still win over 75 percent of the opinions of people asked….either way best or 2nd best over the last 30 years derfintely entitles him to be on any all time list out there. In Plante’s day …..was he the best goalie of the last 30 years like Roy is today……I don’t know enough history to say but I do know that in 30 years folks like you who delve back into the “history” will be blown away by what Roy accompished as the crap about his personal side will fall by the wayside and his will to win and AMAZING feats will shine through.

  96. TC says:

    Plante’s accomplishments do stand up to the scrutiny of time.

    7 Vezina trophies (most ever)
    6 Stanley Cups (most for any goalie)
    1 Hart Trophy (very rare for a goalie)

    plus being the greatest innovator the position has ever known.

    Interestingly, if you go onto other hockey boards, you will find a significant amount of people who feel that Dominic Hasek was a better goalie than Roy, keep in mind that Hasek has more Hart’s and Vezina’s than Roy.


  97. krob1000 says:

    First of all I am in NO WAY insinuating anything negative about Plante. Yes Plante’s contributions have made generations of goaltenders happy and generations of Dentists a little bitter. Roy also popularized the butterfly (I believe Glenn HAll is actually probably the innovator) and is often credited for the abundance of post Roy French Canadien goalies that emerged after him. Roy made it fashionable and attractive for the best athletes to want to be goalies. This is a very general statement but for the most part the best athletes did not have anything to do with goaltending …after Roy this was not the case as everyone in La Belle Province wanted to be a goalie. That stuff is not often mentioned anymore but I remember years ago watching a segment where they interviewed several of the up and coming French Canadian goalies and they all said Roy was their idol …..I remember on the segment one guy said Grant Fuhr and the interviewer said he thought Wayne Gretzky was actually the better goalie in Edmonton because he always kept the puck in the other end.

    Hasek was a regular season superstar who never did anything when it mattered (excluding the world stage of course). He won one cup with a stacked Red Wings team at 38 years old a la Ray Bourque and his other cup win came as a backup. I feelt aht oneis kind of tainted. Yes he won two hart trophies, and a massive pile of hardware….. very impressive but he never led anyone anywhere. There is no argument there at all. Sports are filled with guys who are regualr seson superstars but fold in the pressure…..fortunately there are also guys like Roy whose game elevates when it matters most. Dom was awesome but so was Mike Palmateer…lol…not really comparing those two.

    Ask anyone when the flowers bloom in the Spring who they would want to be playing in front of and no question if giventhe choice between Roy and Hasek ….anyone with a head on their shoulders would say Roy. Not to mention Dom is a bit of a weirdo…..I loved watching his unorthodox highlight friendly style and I found his quirkiness interesting…..but most people just think of him as plain weird. He also has had his share of off ice problems as well as Roy. The Dominator was awesome and I would place him right after Roy and Marty as best goalies since the 70’s where cases could be made for Dryden and PArent.

  98. DMAN says:

    I haven’t been on here in a while so what I am about to write has probably been said. I heard (I think on CBC’s HotStove) that Gainey may be open to a three way trade with Minnesota if it benefits the Habs. So maybe Minny ships Gaborik to habs and habs ship him somewhere else for a top 4 Defenseman. This works for me and could be just what Florida would need to send Bouwmeester our way. My Apologies if this has already been discussed.

  99. Robert L says:

    Last week, Gainey categorically denied any interest whatsoever in Gaborik. He specifically stated that he did not call inquiring about him.

  100. DMAN says:

    That does not have any bearing on the fact that Risebrough called several teams, more than likely including Montreal, and a three way trade means Montreal does not end up with Gaborik! So the possibility remains open. It may not be likely but has not been denied as you suggest.
    Individual records are nice to get, but before the season starts, you want to play to win the Stanley Cup! ~ Guy Lafleur

  101. Robert L says:

    Hot Stove should be called hot air!

    GM’s call 29 teams when they want to unload a player, but rarely call the press when interested in someone. They pull this stuff out their asses. I don’t waste a second thinking about it – it’s fruitless!

    It would be nice to end up with Bowmeester, but it would be even nicer to hold onto the core of players becoming UFA’s next year. With a declining buck, I don’t believe we’ll see potential super star contacts being handed out, much less Gainey taken on more expensive assets.

    Guess that would make for a boring Hot Stove segment.

  102. DMAN says:

    Ultimately, we will just have to wait and see what really happens which will probably be nothing. Speculation makes for great TV though Robert, I can’t believe you don’t take AL STRACHAN seriously. He was so sure that Lecavalier was unhappy in Tampa and headed to Montreal. I think that was at least a month before he signed a lifetime deal. I just thought the three way deal sounded intriguing and still think it may work even if it is for someone with less star power than bouwmeester.
    Individual records are nice to get, but before the season starts, you want to play to win the Stanley Cup! ~ Guy Lafleur

  103. Number31 says:

    Yay! Good to know.

  104. DD says:

    Saku said something interesting at the beginning of the season. He said that on this new team a top player or line could go through a slump, and we would still have players to pick up the offensive load.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Pleky’s line, they have had their share of chances and it’s only a matter of time until the flood gates open.

  105. Number31 says:

    Honestly, I see it as teams being more aware of the Kovy/Pleks/AK line and trying to shut them down more while forgetting about the sneaky dangerous 2nd line. I also think the 3rd line is going to start to pick up as another sneaky line… Even the 4th has potential, and not just to annoy the hell out of the opposition. I can see the team confusing others for a while before they start to figure out what to do. (That is, if everything goes according to plan).

  106. spirit of the Habs says:

    Habs better win tomorrow the ducks game left me with a bad taste. Canes are a good team and have played us well. Im expecting a nice win however. Hopefully Kovalev plays good cuz so far ughhh i dunno.

  107. Xtrahabsfan says:

    And Ted Harris and always lost a fight Terry Harper.Pierre Bouchard

  108. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Donald Brasheer

  109. likehoy says:

    laraque? he’s played like 4 games…you have to wait to see if he’s successful in a few more

    missing name: gino odjick hahaha

  110. ebk says:

    Petr Svoboda deserves to be on the list for never backing away from the freight-train named Cam Neely. Neely pounded Svoboda through the boards on most nights and the little czech never once shit the bed and threw the puck away. He hung in, made the play and got blasted!

    Mike McPhee was a beaut as well

  111. habsgod says:

    i know he’s played 4 games but he’s is the current heavyweight champ in the league amongst the tough guys!

  112. habsgod says:

    how could have i forgot gino odjick! well no body’s perfect!

  113. habsguy says:

    heres one….Mike Keane…

  114. spirit of the Habs says:

    How about Sprague Cleghorn

    Canadas Team, Gods Team You name it The Habs are it

  115. Habs fan in SF says:

    i’m just basing this listing on 1985 – present (since i’ve became a fan):

    chris nilan
    john kordic
    lyle odelein
    todd ewen
    donald brashear

    all i have is a top 5 actually … maybe honourable mention to shayne corson …

  116. G-Man says:

    I don’t know about Lemieux. Didn’t he used to fall down a lot and not get up? In no particular order excepting #1:
    Fergy, Harris, Nilan, Kordic, Pierre Bouchard, Robinson, The Rocket, The Pocket Rocket, Butch Bouchard and Lyle “The Fish” Odelein.
    2008/09 is the season of the Habs

  117. jrshabs1 says:

    Dave Manson
    Sheldon Surray
    Murray Barron

  118. TC says:


    Plante would definitely be in the conversation about the greatest goaltender of all time, as would Dryden.

    Harvey would definitely be in the conversation about the greatest
    defenseman of all time.

    Richard would definitely be in the conversation about the greatest right winger of all time.

    Beliveau would definitely be in the conversation about the greatest center of all time.

    In 1998 the Hockey News convened a panel of fifty experts asking about the greatest hockey players of all time. Plante was the second ranked goalie, Harvey was the second ranked defensemen, Richard was the second ranked right winger, and Beliveau was the third ranked center.

    I would say that qualifies them for a discussion of the greatest player ever at their position.


  119. Andrew Sharpe says:

    Roy should be top three. None of the players except Roy on that list would enter a discussion of greatest player at their position of all time.

  120. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Here’s a question,who are the all time 10 best tough guys to play for the Habs?

  121. habsgod says:

    in no pecticualr order:
    gorges laraque
    john ferguson senior
    larry robinson
    chris nilan
    john kordic
    maurice” rocket” richard
    chris chelios
    mike macphee
    patrick roy
    claude lemieux

    i don’t know about some of these names on here but i thought i’d just enter a few for the fun of it and see what other habs fans and poster think! i hope my list has some of the same names as theres!

  122. The M says:

    the Habs have to resign Komisarek for a contract this summer, any estimations on length and cap hit?
    Tom Gilbert got $24 million for six years in Edmonton and Ron Hainsey got his ridiculous contract…..

  123. nightmare_49 says:

    ESPN’s Scott Burnside has 5 great points and a must read for Monday reading : 1) Strachan’s crap 2) Gaborik’s worth 3) Bouwmeester diminishing value 4) Burke and another memory lane trip 5) Samsonov after signing ….. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=

  124. Robert L says:

    Bryan, it’s not Monday anymore. Should I wait another six days before clicking the link! :)

    Just a poke my friend. Thanks for the link on a slow game day here.

  125. DD says:

    Jeez, are we the only ones who know about the ‘Sergei Super Size Salary Slide’ routine?

  126. nightmare_49 says:

    ESPN’s Scott Burnside has 5 great points and a must read for Monday reading : 1) Strachan’s crap 2) Gaborik’s worth 3) Bouwmeester diminishing value 4) Burke and another memory lane trip 5) Samsonov after signing ….. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=3666852 ……….. Disregard link below.

  127. cautiousoptimist says:

    Anyone else think Stubbs and Boone brought in the “Other Wing” bloggers now because they knew a labour dispute was impending and didn’t want to leave us in the lurch without our fix?

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  128. nightmare_49 says:

    Empty Netters – Tidbits and more .. by Seth Rorabaugh ….. http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2008/10/28/about-the-sharks-10-29-08.aspx …………………….. The NHL Morning Papers (Tuesday Edition) : FlyersKeep 18 year old Luca Sbisa, Atlanta’s Attendance Brutal and Sergei Zubov Returns Saturday and more tidbits .. by Richard Pollock ….. http://www.illegalcurve.com/2008/10/28/nhl-morning-papers-tuesday-edition-capitals-have-a-classy-organization-atlantas-brutal-attendance-figures-and-zubov-to-return-on-saturday/ ………………. All Robert Lang .. by Kevin Mio ….. http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=327b5bfa-5c6b-4223-babf-e554f9435651

  129. Robert L says:

    It could be eh! I’ve given lots of thought to that notion as well.

    Support your Gazette staff:


  130. nightmare_49 says:

    Robert – Slow is not the word. Thanks again.

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