Is veteran Gill about to be a healthy scratch?

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A sheet so clean, you could swear it was a Canadiens power play.

AUDIO: Randy Cunneyworth

The Canadiens practised this morning in Brossard before setting off to Pittsburgh. The Penguins await Friday, and then it’s on to Toronto to face the Maple Leafs on Saturday.

Head coach Randy Cunneyworth hinted during his news briefing that there might be lineup changes coming for the back-to-back games.

Cunneyworth is not yet decided on his goaltenders. And he said that it’s possible that Chris Campoli will be reinserted into the lineup after having been a healthy scratch the past two games.

Don’t be surprised if such a move would put veteran Hal Gill, who played a season-low 8:55 Wednesday night; that might be a little misleading, given the amount of power-play time the Habs “enjoyed,” but there’s a decent chance Gill will watch from the press box in Pittsburgh.

Live updates were here on Twitter during practice.

523 Comments

  1. JUST ME says:

    When he was hired Gill was chosen because he could be helpfull part time counting on the fact that he could be sat down here and there to rest his old legs. Injuries of all kind made it so the habs could not afford to rest him so yes a rest here and there would be a good thing. Problem is that with his deal ending soon he may be considered by other team that need his services. Personnaly i would keep him and give him a defensive coach job for next year.

    Such a sad and terrible news about Sarah Burke..Speechless..

    In the sad news department also a prayer or / and positive thought are in order for the Kid Carter.

  2. HabsFanNorway says:

    Priceless! What more can you say about the Bruins?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npn0dyhSyr0

  3. Habshire says:

    For those curious about back to back games here are some totals for the 2011/12 season.

    Column 1 = Total back to back games
    Column 2 = Road/Home back to back
    Column 3 = Home/Road back to back
    Column 4 = Home/Home back to back
    Column 5 = Road/Road back to back

    Buffalo 21 7 10 2 2
    Chicago 17 9 2 0 6
    Ottawa 17 4 4 4 5
    St Louis 17 3 10 1 3
    Toronto 17 6 9 0 2
    Carolina 16 1 8 1 6
    Columbus 16 4 5 1 6
    Los Angeles 15 2 2 1 10
    New Jersey 15 3 6 0 6
    Pittsburgh 15 3 4 2 6
    Dallas 14 4 3 0 7
    Detroit 14 4 5 1 4
    Florida 14 1 2 2 9
    NY Rangers 14 4 2 2 6
    San Jose 14 2 1 0 11
    Winnipeg 14 1 1 1 11
    Anaheim 13 4 4 1 4
    Boston 13 1 6 1 5
    Montreal 13 2 4 2 5
    NY Islanders 13 4 4 2 3
    Philadelphia 13 5 5 0 3
    Phoenix 13 4 2 1 6
    Washington 13 5 4 0 4
    Edmonton 12 0 4 1 7
    Minnesota 11 3 1 1 6
    Nashville 11 1 5 0 5
    Vancouver 11 1 1 1 8
    Calgary 10 0 3 0 7
    Colorado 10 2 2 0 6
    Tampa Bay 10 1 2 0 7

    Column 1 = Column 2 minus Column 3
    Column 2 = Team rested when opponent is back to back
    Column 3 = Team back to back when opponent is rested
    Column 4 = Team and opponent both back to back
    Column 5 = Team and opponent both rested

    Pittsburgh +8 16 8 7 51
    Calgary +6 15 9 1 57
    Winnipeg +5 17 12 2 51
    Anaheim +4 13 9 4 56
    NY Rangers +4 11 7 7 57
    Nashville +3 14 11 0 57
    Minnesota +3 12 9 2 59
    New Jersey +3 12 9 6 55
    Washington +3 11 8 5 58
    Edmonton +2 14 12 0 56
    NY Islanders +2 10 8 5 59
    Detroit +1 11 10 4 57
    Boston +1 10 9 4 59
    Colorado +1 10 9 1 62
    Tampa Bay +1 10 9 1 62
    San Jose 0 12 12 2 56
    Dallas 0 9 9 5 59
    Toronto -1 10 11 6 55
    Philadelphia -2 5 7 6 64
    Florida -3 9 12 2 59
    Montreal -3 8 11 2 61
    Ottawa -3 8 11 6 57
    St Louis -3 8 11 6 57
    Buffalo -4 10 14 7 51
    Chicago -4 8 12 5 57
    Phoenix -4 8 12 1 61
    Vancouver -4 6 10 1 65
    Carolina -5 10 15 1 56
    Columbus -5 8 13 3 58
    Los Angeles -6 7 13 2 60

    I had tabs for nice columns but I guess they are edited out.

  4. krob1000 says:

    Sarah Burke the skier just passed away…absolutely tragic

  5. Malreg says:

    The Canadiens have scored 1 or less goals in 11 of Price’s 17 losses this season.

    But ya, Price sucks!!!!!!111!!

  6. lenny says:

    I don’t want to raise any alarms, but I don’ think we are going to make the playoffs…

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      BWAA BWAAA BWAAA.

      Nope, you just raised the alarms. Damn you!

      • price365 says:

        Mike: I agree with what you said. But not last night. the team had to play pretty decent to only allow 16 shots on net and 31 shots for. the reason they didn’t score was washingtons Goalie Neuvirth. He stole one and Price IMO blew one. 3 goals against on 10 shots. hey that don’t make him a bad goalie. just the game last night and a lot of people on here will agree.

  7. mike3131 says:

    IMO if the Max-DD-Cole line can be the clear-cut 2nd line, we’re headed in the right direction. That would mean acquiring a Parise/Nash type winger, or trading Plekanec and picks for a Stall/Getzlaf type centre.
    And just cuz Price has ONE bad game doesn’t make him a bum or a sieve! Nor does it mean we should we trade him! The team just finds ways to lose this year. One game it’s the defense at fault, another the offense, another Price, and sometimes, like last night, EVERYONE.

    • Stev.R says:

      I see Bourque Eller and Kostitsyn as a solid third line. We need three fowards to set the offence straight. Stud center, scoring winger and a solid shutdown center.

  8. Newf_Habster says:

    It possibly means that the trade that sends Gill to a new destination is about to be made.

  9. momotan69 says:

    I see more and more reporters are graduating from the Francois gagnon school of reporting. Put up innuendo, rumor or out of context comments as facts, or just plain twist words or outright make up (deleted) and post them. Nobody among the Habs brass said anything about gill out of the lineup. They said campoli likely in……now who usually goes out when that happens, mr bobble the puck, wait too long too shoot, break my stick, I belong in the AHL because the team asked me to train in Montreal in the summer but instead spent my time in Switzerland picking flowers rather then bulking up webber. That’s who. Or maybe emellin because the poor guy plays left and everyone else isn’t capable of playing right to leave him an active spot.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Cheap shot at François Gagnon, totally undeserved. I read his stuff regularly, and watch his appearances on RDS. He’s a sharp guy and he knows what he’s talking about.

      Mike Cammalleri tried the “I was misquoted” angle, which never works, since the quote is invariably precisely what they said. Not sure why you believe him rather than Mr. Gagnon. The fact that Mr. Cammalleri was abruptly traded away should be a clue for you as to who is more credible.

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      • momotan69 says:

        Sorry, I compared gagnon’s BS with Arpon Barsu’s story about the very same interview on NHL.com. Funny how Barsu described it one way, Cammalleri talking about the difference between teams with Winning attitudes and losing attitudes and gagnon came up with a twisted version where everyone was called a loser. Just because the Habs overreacted yet again and let the press control hockey decisions doesn’t make his reporting anywhere accurate. Just ask chris chelios, shayne corson, guy carbonneau, mike kean, etc…..about being run out of town based on a BS press clipping. It’s not gagnon’s first attempt at this crap. You may recall the fantasy recordings from Russia where kovalev supposedly trashed everyone, but when kovalev pushed back and said it was BS an challenged him to produce the recordings all we got were excuses about his source no longer returning his calls. Same garbage, different year.

  10. HabinBurlington says:

    Not sure if already posted but here is pic of Taylor Hall and his new scar, he was foortunate his eye wasn’t severely damaged.
    http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1118258–oilers-taylor-hall-sports-nasty-cut-on-forehead-doubtful-for-thursday-game

  11. habs178 says:

    This video made my day. Perhaps it can bring a smile to some of your faces also:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npn0dyhSyr0&feature=player_embedded

    “To disbelieve is easy; to scoff is simple; to have faith is harder”
    ~ Louis L’Amour
    I’ve got the faith!

  12. rhino514 says:

    I think Molson should fire Gauthier and hire JM back. It will never happen, of course, but Gauthier is at the heart of the mess this year.
    How many times did you see the Habs not compete under JM? They had maybe 4 games in their first 30 where they didn´t show up. Most losses were one goal losses and quite a few overtime/ shootout losses. Under Cunneyworth (I have nothing against him, but i do feel JM was holding an injury ravaged team together) in I think 13 games they have not showed up 4 times.
    The jury is out on Kaberle and Cammy moves, but I think if the team can´t give him away at the trade deadline and gets stuck with the contyract, it ends up being a terrible move. If the habs don´t go into a mini tailspin with Cunneyworth, Cammy probably doesn´t get frustrated. Maybe he was starting to be not so great in the room, but he is also the Habs most clutch player; he scores when it counts, specially in the playoffs. I do like the fact they saved 3 mil in the trade, thoug, but the kaberle trade is scary; a guy who is playing about ten minutes a game and has not made any discernible difference on the PP (last in theleague at 12 percent)
    Gauthier also lies quite a bit (three weeks more for Markov after the arthroscopic surgery?) His timidity to be frank with the media is a sign that he has trouble handling the pressure. Say what you want about BG, he told it like it was, and, the Gomez mistake notwithstanding, brought stability to the franchise.
    BTW where are all the posters who wanted JM´s head now? Look at the team´s record since he was fired.

    • 44har48 says:

      I’m right here…I am the first one to make a change when (deleted) is not working and I’m also the first one to right it and admit I made a mistake.

      I for one, hated that style of Hockey and am glad he is gone. I was hoping for RC to make more changes, quicker, but he is with time. I do have to admit teh coaching change didn’t make a hill of beans difference like I thought it would, we have too many other issues as well that need tending to and one of them is infusing talent becuase talent wins at this level, period.

      Now don’t get me wrong, I like our future, some of the moves that have been made, and some of our younger talent…finally, and I do think this team is better off now than they have been since the late 70′s. I was not fooled by the overachieving teams in ’86 and ’93.

  13. habsolutely416 says:

    this team has no identity or leadership. no clear #1 line. trade the floaters plekanec and AK and whoever else to try and land that big #1 center. geztlaf or maybe even carter. something needs to be done about the small/soft dmen who cant seem to get pucks through to the net. (weber, campoli, diaz, kaberle) ..wow i just about puked there…..

    ill be in the slot ;)

    • I agree man. the team is a mess!
      http://www.firegauthier.com

      check the site out!

    • EtLeBut says:

      Plekanec is a floater? You do know he’s twice the defensively responsible player that Getzlaf is, a player who has been accused of lacking motivation this year? Carter was accused of playing no defense early in his career too.

      Do you know what “floater” means? Why hide your intentions and just say it like you mean it, “soft euro”.

    • sherburnehabfan says:

      You might wonder if this team has intended to tank from day one. Even in the preseason they played a lot of prospects and went 1-7 to start the season.

      If you wanted to watch the prospects travel to Hamilton and watch them play there.

      Some of their moves have been real head shakers. Maybe we’ve been all concussed and this is just a bad bad dream.

      Hockey is a game played with a clock, the more time you play in the offensive side of center ice the less pressure you put on the defense.

    • helluva habs fan says:

      Plekanec is no floater. He’s not at his best right now, but he’s trying his ass off out there. Cut the guy some slack, he’s only responsible for EVERYTHING out there.

      EDIT: I’ll go as far to say he’s untradable because no GM in the league would be willing to part with as much as he’s worth.

    • Dust says:

      You call pleks a floater then want to trade for carter. A worse defensive player and a bigger floater. hahah

  14. ABHabsfan says:

    If indead Gill will be scratched then he should be traded right away. This guy has been a leader and respected veteran on the Habs for 3 years now and I don’t think he desernes that. I think we all know he will be traded anyway, I’m sure even he is aware. Trade him now, shows a little class that this team has lacked somewhat recently. He deserves that.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Takes two teams to do a trade….

      • ABHabsfan says:

        surely something can be done for Gill. No one can mess up an opposing PP like him, plus a past Cup winner. If he is of no use here then get a 5th or something for him. Chicago would be my first call

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          I think he can be traded. It was the Now demand that I was reffering to. I don’t think he will move until the deadline because teams won’t be asking for him until that time (just my opinion).

    • RH says:

      I never gave Hal Gill any respect until I started watching him play for the Habs. The guy is heart and soul and gives it his all but, regardless of whether he gets traded now or he’s not re-signed at the end of the season, (he’s UFA this year isn’t he?), I think it’s time the Canadiens and Hal Gill went their seperate ways.

    • J_P says:

      I agree. He is definitely tradeable for a draft pick I would say. As much as he sucks in the regular season, when things tighten up in the playoffs, hes an absolute beast. He could be a huge difference maker for any contending team who struggles on the PK.

      • helluva habs fan says:

        Agree completely, he would transform a stuggling PK unit. I only realized how effective he was when I saw him in person. He eliminates the cross crease pass and forces forwards to go back to the point. A team like Chicago or San Jose (both under 80%) or even Detroit would do well to add him, a few less PP goals against could be the difference in a tight series. I wouldn’t give him away for a late rounder either as I think GMs realize what a valuable piece he would be to a cup contender.

    • avatar_58 says:

      I like Gill, but how does a one game scratch = disrespect? I’ve wanted to see the vets scratched for some time. Scratch Pleks next. Everyone need to be accountable, not just PK, Eller and Emelin.

  15. shiram says:

    Didn’t Gill complain about the use of 7 dmen?
    RC is just trolling him.

  16. 24 Cups says:

    The concussion watch continues. I seriously doubt that Savard will ever come back and you now have to also wonder about Pronger and Crosby.

    If having three stars retire early (in three years) due to concussions doesn’t change the mindset of the league and the NHLPA, what will?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/lauren-pronger-wife-flyers-chris-pronger-opens-her-190548603.html

    • G-Man says:

      I don’t think the NHL will wake up when it comes to concussions. The players are all stars and the NHL and the PA still doesn’t give a rat’s ass.
      Perhaps, we should stop caring and let thug hockey rule. It seems to be what the Americans want in their rinks. Screw skill; let’s see someone get killed playing a sport. Sad, but true.

      • 24 Cups says:

        So true.

        It totally goes against my grain but the Habs need to get with the program (as outlined in your post). Bringing in a loose cannon like Bourque is a start. So is Cole and Emelin from the summer. Two more up front as well as another on the backend should do it. It’s not an impossible task.

    • Phil C says:

      To be fair, the NHL has come a long way this year. Many of the hits that get suspensions today would have been considered “a hockey play” two years ago if it was shoulder to head. The Scott Stevens hit on Lindros in the ’00 playoffs was not penalized because it was considered a good clean hit, but he would be gone for at least three games for that now. It was Lindros’ 4th concussion that year alone. Watching his head hit the sickening.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVeqzYgTELk

      But I agree they have much further to go. The only way I see change happening is if the ex-NFL players lawsuit against the NFL for not providing a safe work environment is successful and a precedent is set with a huge pay-out. Change will only happen if the NHL’s bottom line is threatened.

  17. SmartDog says:

    At the HIO Summit, just after the Great Makeover, we were getting our Bell Center tour and we were in the press room I think it was, taking turns getting our photo taken behind the podium. Someone made a comment about players whose names start with K (the 2 Kostitsyns, and of course the recently departed Koivu and Kovalev), and I yelled out “too bad we can’t shed some of the new ‘G’ players”. A few people near me gave me looks of surprise or disapproval… yet here we are now. Gomez – a total anchor around our leg as only myself and a few others predicted, Gill, his 1-dimensional play catching up with him, and Gionta, the little engine that could, except that he’s not the Captain to pull this team up from the depths and oh yeah – he’s out the rest of the season. Not saying that Gionta or Gill haven’t played their role well at certain times… just that the “G” team as a group has ultimately been a let down.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • 24 Cups says:

      Gill has served his purpose during the past two years. It’s no sin if he now has to become our 7th Dman in his final season as a Hab. He’s been good value at 2M.

      Gionta’s first two years were also what was to be expected. No complaints there. Once he gets two serious injuries, some people want to throw him aside and take away his captaincy.

      I don’t get it. Hasn’t there already been enough classless actions this year?

      • SmartDog says:

        Yeah, if Gomez wasn’t anchoring the G-squad’s suckitude it would be hard to argue. I agree about both Gill and Gionta. But Gill, I think is done. And Gionta, while I like him as a player, to me, has come up short as Captain. We need a Captain who SEEMS like he’s at the heart of this team. I never felt that with Gionta. It’s hard to know how people feel. But Gorges or Cole, I could see as truly representing the players, and being able to tap into their emotions. I won’t argue whether I am right as I can’t back this up in any dramatic way, but that’s how I see it. So it wasn’t Gionta or Gill certainly but the idea that these were the guys to somehow lead the team to a cup.

        ————————————-
        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • 24 Cups says:

          Of course, two years ago many posters thought that Gionta would truly represent the face of the new team, whether it be on an attitudinal or emotional level. I’m just not sure that he has lost that ability to lead.

          I also think that it’s a reflection of how the team is playing (or not playing). The Habs are two points out of the basement, which is unthinkable. Change is needed. Fire the coach, trade some players, let’s get a new captain. It’s that kind of knee-jerk reaction that has a lonely team turning it’s eyes toward Joe DiMaggio. In this case, Joe being the boy wonder of HI/O (Gorges) or the new flavour of the month (Cole).

          Some times change is good, but then again so is stability.

          I have no problem with Gionta staying on as a player and captain for the rest of his contract. Then we can re-evaluate. We’ll also have a better idea by then if players (RWs) such as Leblanc and Gallagher are the real deal.

    • AliHaba says:

      One ‘G’ player we need to keep is Gorges. Our next captain?

  18. twilighthours says:

    RC is looking to Campoli to help the PP and offense?

    My god, this team is so horrible.

  19. Bleu blanc rouge says:

    Gill is toast at deadline, sorry but if your big and slow that’s one thing. If your big, slow, soft, don’t hit and don’t fight that’s too manny things. You gotta use the gift God gave you, Gill has size but might as well be 5′ 7″ like the rest of them because that’s how he plays. And don’t talk to me about being “good in the dressing room” If your that good in there, then stay the F— there!!!

  20. SteverenO says:

    Can anyone explain the incompetence?

    We have close to, if not, the worst PP in the league. Penalty Killing is the exact opposite.

    We acquired Rene Bourque. He has scored 13 goals this year, 3 on the PP. Only two Habs have more than 3 PP goals this year (Cole with 7 and Weber with 4) .

    With Calgary Bourque played 116 minutes of PP time and the Flames scored 8 PP goals while he was on the ice. These are not great stats, it worked out to one PP goal for every 14.5 minutes. when compared to Scott Gomez however these numbers are like Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Boby Hull, and Guy Lafleur rolled into one.

    Scott Gomez has played 47 minutes of ice time with the man advantage. He , of course, has yet to score a goal while on the PP, (in fact he has yet to score a goal, period) and the team has scored exactly ONE pp goal while Gomez has been on the ice.
    For those that are mathematically challenged that equals one PP goal scored by the team for every 47 minutes that Mr. Gomez has been on the ice.

    Can someone please explain the rationale for having Bourque on the ice only playing 1 minute and 11 seconds with the PP. Gomez played 4 minutes and 56 seconds with the PP unit.

    Bourque played a minute and 20 seconds on the PK unit last night. Was our PK in need of any change?

    Darche has seen 63 minutes of ice time on the PK unit this season
    during this time he was on the ice for 3 Goals against,
    Bourque has played 58 minutes shorthanded this season and 6 golas have been scored against while he was on the ice.

    Did we trade for Bourque so that he can take PK unit minutes away from Darche while sitting on the bench and watching Gomez on the worst PowerPlay in the league?

    It make no sense at all. Cunneyworth is either an imbecile or someone higher ranking is forcing him to play Gomez with the man advantage.

    Bourque – 13 gaols
    Moen -9 Goals
    Eller 8 Goals

    All played significantly lees time on the PP than Gomez. AndreK with 10 goals saw less PP ice time.

    This is inexplicable, irrational, unacceptable , and assinine!

    The coach may not have the ability to send a player to the minors, but he certainly has the say in ice time distribution.,

    In my opinion the BIGGEST problem with coach Martin was that he did not distribute ice time according to merit and productivity. For Cunneyworth to do exactly the same thing is totally unacceptable.

    Cunneyworth had an opportunity to put his stamp on this team. he could have rewarded, Budaj with another start after a great performance, he did not.

    He could have insisted that Gomez score at least one goal in regulation before he sees another second on the PP, he did not.

    He could have rewarded Eller with some PP time after he scored 4 goals in one game, he did not.

    There was such a big hullabaloo over whether the coach speaks French, who cares what language he speaks if he cant even read basic statistics?.

    We need a coach that does his homework and uses common sense. This is NOT rocket science.

    KEEP YOUR LEAST PRODUCTIVE PLAYERS OFF THE POWERPLAY!

    GIVE THE MORE OFFENSIVE PLAYERS MORE PP TIME!

    sorry for yelling, guys.

    Regards,

    Steve O.
    Qlik View – Data Discovery.
    Every team needs it- Every coach needs it.
    Every fan needs it!

    http://litcosys.ca/QV_videos.html

  21. price365 says:

    I feel sorry for you guys after the 7th of april – when depression sets in.

    • GoGioGo says:

      Yeah, talk about it! My birthday’s April 9. Seems like my first gift this year will be having to find some other team to cheer for in the playoffs.

      Let’s see… I also like Tampa Bay, there’s some players on Buffalo that I like too… geez, this is not looking good!

    • J_P says:

      We are such a long shot to make the playoffs this year, that anyone who is depressed after april 7th needs to get a life. Ill only be depressed after april 7th if the habs made stupid moves in a vain effort to make the playoffs, only to finish in 10th and hurt our draft position. If they’re gonna make dumb moves to make the playoffs, something i would deem to be beyond idiotic, they better make them.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      IT took me three days to come back to reality after the Packers loss on Sunday and that loss really blindsided me.

      However the habs season will be decided well before April 7th and that night will be more of a relief then anthing else I believe.

    • Bripro says:

      Why wait until April? I’m already there!

  22. Kooch7800 says:

    I don’t think Gill should sit we should be showcasing him and campoli I guess on the flip side if people see them play they may not want them lol

    • habsnyc says:

      Campoli and Gil are depth players, no need to showcase them.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      If you are trying to sell a car with serious mechanical shortcomings you don’t let anyone test-drive it.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • J_P says:

        Hahahahaha thats a good one.

        Brings back to mind this time where I went to go look at used mini cooper S I was interested in buying (at hyundai in lasalle, I have no problem throwing their name out, they’re douchebags), and the guy literally let me take it around the block because the car had no gas. Clearly I wasnt one of those guys just looking to test drive a car for kicks, I had driven from the west island all the way to lasalle to see it. The price was great before negotiating, so i was already a little iffy about the car. We go in to talk numbers, and I told the guy before I sign anything, I want to take the car for a real test drive. He looked at me puzzled and said “we dont do that” and proceeded to say that its unreasonable to expect them to pay for the gas for me to take it for a proper test drive. When i said that i would put in $10 in gas myself, and he continued to protest, I told him to keep his car and got up to leave. His pouty and irritated demeanor just sealed the fact that there was most likely something wrong with the car that they didnt want me to find.

    • habsolutely416 says:

      dont want to state the obvious here but i will, gill is as good as traded at this point.

      hopefully for john scott.

      ill be in the slot ;)

  23. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    Here are my two cents on Pierre Gauthier.

    I don’t think he’s such a terruble GM as a lot of fans have made him out to be. If you look at his transactions and drafting, he’s actually done more good than bad.

    However, there is no denying that a lot of what he has done this year reeks of panic. This is unusual, because up until the Pearn firing, nothing Gauthier ever did suggested he was a panicky GM.

    For me, the good moves Gauthier has made are the Moore and Wiz trades, the Halak deal (as long as Eller reaches the potential he has shown), the Cole signing, bringing over Emelin and signing Diaz. His draft record has been decent, but we won’t really know until Tinordi and Beaulieu pan out. The Cammalleri trade is pretty decent.

    His bad decisions have all come this year. I don’t think the Markov signing was necessarily bad. To me, PG’s hands were tied. You can’t just let Markov walk for nothing, knowing how positive an impact he can have on the team when he’s in the lineup. But, PG should have had a back-up plan.

    It seems like he hoped PK, Diaz and Emelin would be able to give enough to make up for losing Hamrlik. He also misjudged Markov’s recovery. The Campoli signing was the first panic move. The next was firing Pearn. Then, the Kaberle trade. And then, the Martin firing. None of these moves had much of an impact. The coach firings made no sense. Firing Pearn on gameday is classless. Replacing him with the Assistant-GM who has no coaching experience seems ridiculous. Firing Martin without having an outside replacement for him is stupid. If the whole purpose of firing JM was to shake up the room, then you don’t replace him with an assistant coach. It doesn’t work. You need to bring in a totally fresh voice. Look at what St. Louis and LA did. Totally new coach and a new approach.

    I think Gauthier’s biggest downfall will be the cloud of secrecy he has brought to the team. It reeks of insecurity and leads to tension within the team. This season has been pretty much a disaster on the ice and for the organization’s PR.

    I think Gauthier has made some smart decisions, but it seems that his personality is what has gotten in the way of him being a good GM for the Canadiens.

    • habsnyc says:

      The standings speak for themselves. His decisions have been ineffectual. Had he done nothing or engaged in random signings the team would be in no worse shape.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • price365 says:

      Yan: what team are you scared of markov will be playing for, he can’t hurt the habs playing for the montreal old timers.

    • RGM says:

      Here’s my view on Gauthier – he has done some good things, absolutely. Perhaps in terms of pure quantity, the good ledger is a longer list than the bad ledger. But the quality of horribleness of the items on the dark side is truly atrocious: the fact that Gomez is still a Canadien, Markov getting a 3-year deal, and the Kaberle trade are all offences in and of themselves that are justifiable cause for him being fired. Throw all three of them happening together in a short time frame, and you have more than enough to drop the axe.

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      • Boomer says:

        i dont like the way PG handles situations it oozes with classlessness, and thats not attractive for Free Agents. Then there’s the media pressure but thats another topic…

        Boom baby!

  24. price365 says:

    These would be my lines til trades are made:

    Max-pac Eller Cole ( 3 big guys 1st line )
    Ak Pleks Bourque ( two big guys with Pleks )
    Moen Desharnais Blunden ( two big guys with DD )
    Darche Gomez Nokelainen ( 3 chasers )

    • Kooch7800 says:

      DD is a solid play maker and our only centre currently generating offense and you want to put him with Blunden and Moen?

      Eller should not be getting number 1 centre ice time. He doesn’t have the offensive ability (yet…hopefully it will come).

      • GoGioGo says:

        Right on. Plus, Eller’s been playing selfish since that game when he scored 4 goals. Makes wrong decisions that make him look really bad at times.

        RC should not break the two and a half men line (Cole-DD-Patches).

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I am hoping Eller is still developing (which we know he is) but he does need to make smarter plays. I am actually wondering if he was rushed a bit cause they didn’t want to look bad in the Halak deal. In my opinion, I would have rather seen Eller have another full year in the AHL last year. He hasn’t really shown any growth from last year to this year. He is getting more ice time and the productivity still is not really there

          • helluva habs fan says:

            I think he’s shown a lot of growth from last year. He uses his size and he actually looks ‘dangerous’ a lot of the time, which he didn’t last year. He does still make mistakes with the puck and the numbers haven’t come yet. I think he still has a lot to learn about puck management and how to produce, but the skill and determination is clearly there and getting better all the time. As long as he doesn’t plateau, i think the best is yet to come with him.

    • habs178 says:

      I agree with Kooch.

      Eller has been getting top minutes, but the minute he makes a mistake, he’s benched for 20. Not very helpful on all fronts if you ask me.

      And DD is our most effective play-making center. I don’t understand the hate this guy gets. His “never give up play” is amazing to me.

      I’m starting to really REALLY dislike Cunny’s choices. :(

      “To disbelieve is easy; to scoff is simple; to have faith is harder”
      ~ Louis L’Amour
      I’ve got the faith!

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I think it is because he is small. I know that sounds bad but I think that is why people hate on him. He is producing chances out there and works his tail off. In reality he is a perfect 3rd line centre who can play top 6 ice when needed and use on the PP. Unfortunately we don’t have any better options for the 1st or 2nd line centres as pleks is not playing well this year and Eller needs to start generating offense. I can see why we rank so low in goals for.
        Same old issue…we need a centreman. Gomez isn’t even a top 3 centre anymore

      • helluva habs fan says:

        He’s one of the few players we have that’s creative. He tries things that others are scared to, he sees lanes that go otherwise unnoticed. What he lacks in size, he makes up for in shiftiness.

    • LesHabs says:

      Take Darche out and go with 7 D.

  25. HabinBurlington says:

    How the worm has turned, I am guessing now that the final regular season game of the year will have great importance, BUT for the Leafs.

    I will find myself cheering for a win only to prevent Maple Leafs from making the playoffs, all the while convincing myself that the improved draft position makes this all worthwhile. (I don’t think it will work, I love watching the Habs in the Playoffs)

    • LL says:

      So glum today Burly. Even if this is a lost season, there’s only one direction to go, and that’s up!

      The talk around the office today is Bourque. Everybody wishes there were 10 of him on the team. (me too).

      I think it might be a long summer of Price/Halak debates. Boring and redundant. Oy!

  26. 10 suggestions from yours truly.
    1 – Yannick Weber needs to stay in the AHL. He is not NHL calibre.
    2 – Mathieu Darche needs to play along side Andrei Kostitsyn so that every time Andrei dogs it during a shift, Mathieu can yell at him on the bench.
    3 – Forget the trade talk – we are clearly dealing from a weakened perspective.
    4 – Get a backup that pushes Price harder or play Budaj more – Price IS an awesome goalie but needs a bit of pressure behind him to play up to his skill level.
    5 – Play Hal Gill with PK Subban – PK needs the elder statesman’s calming influence – still.
    6 – Keep playing Emelin and Eller.
    7 – Get Diaz into a weight room in the off season.
    8 – Gomez – Blunden – Bourque – give that line a chance and maybe – just maybe – Scottie might score … once (sigh)
    9 – PRACTICE THE POWER PLAY – there was a moment vs Washington on the PP where the puck was moving quickly and that is the way our PP should work – we had our best chances of the game – we do not yet have the skill and size to just stand around and beat people – in the way Ovechkin blasted a shot on the PP. Quick movement of puck and players and the opposition will begin running around.
    10 – Get Kaberle to use a longer stick – he misses a number of pucks at the offensive blue line and if he had but an inch more….

    • SmartDog says:

      SOME GOOD POINTS…
      1 – YES. But change his name to Yannick Streit and then trade him.
      2 – YES! I love it when Darche tells people how to score.
      3 – NO. Without trades we die. We need to get a GM who makes GOOD trades.
      4 – YES. Get the Halak fella back.
      5 – AGREED. Play Hal Gill with PK Subban.
      6 – YES. MORE E PLAYERS, FEWER G PLAYERS. Keep playing Emelin and Eller.
      7 – YETH. Get Diaz into a weight room in the off season.
      8 – WTE. Gomez – Blunden – Bourque – give that line a chance and maybe – just maybe – Scottie might score … once (sigh)
      10 – YES. MAKE ALL THE STICKS LONGER.

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      • Smart Dog – not sure what trades we could make – who is performing well enough that we could get a good return without giving up our best player?

        Trading for the sake of it is part of the problem methinks…

        The person who suggested Cole be traded backed up his position however I am in full but respectful disagreement…

  27. Kimberly2u says:

    I can’t watch any more games it’s too depressing …I expected a big trade by now

    • SmartDog says:

      I’ve got an extra coupla fudgeo cookies in my lunch. If you have a PB&J sandwich to spare, I’ll trade ya.

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    • Kimberly2u says:

      Ha..Smart Dog I do have some peanut butter in my desk…lol…it’s a trade

    • Mike D says:

      Wasn’t the Cammy trade kind of a big one? What sort of big trade were you thinking of, Kim?

      - Honestly yours

      • Kimberly2u says:

        I don’t know Mike what I was expecting but why couldn’t they have played the way they played against the Rangers? That’s the trouble with this team it’s so inconsistent….I could tell last night right off they wouldn’t win that game cause they wern’t moving their feet..they were coasting along like they had no care in the world instead of showing up to play…that’s why it’s frustrating for me to watch any more games

        • Mike D says:

          I hear ya, Kim. It’s painful for all of us. I’m all for a big trade as long as it doesn’t involve one of our talented youngsters going the other way, and it improves our club for the future.

          - Honestly yours

        • avatar_58 says:

          And some people claim they “dominated” the caps. Possesion without knowledge of how to score is meaningless.

          • helluva habs fan says:

            You said it, brother. The word I seem to scream at my TV the most is “inept.” Well, maybe “useless”…. They play without any kind of flow, they pass the puck hard when they should pass it soft, soft when it should be hard, bobble it constantly when they’re in the offensive zone. They shoot for one of three locations: the goalie’s chest, the outside of the post, or the endboards. The only dman capable of getting shots to the net is Diaz, and they’re only ever flimsy wristers. Off the top of my head, I can’t remember the last time they scored a goal on a tic-tac-toe play, or off a one-timer. Forget goals, I can’t remember the last cross seam pass, backdoor play. Hell, there hasn’t even been a nice deke on a goaltender. You have to laugh when people use the word skill to describe the Habs. Inept is a much more accurate desctiption. I’m too riled to go on.

        • J_P says:

          Seriously. Especially because we had everything going in our favor last night prior to puck drop (home ice, washington tired from playing the night before, no backstrom or green). To be a bad team is one thing, to not compete is a completely different thing.

  28. SmartDog says:

    I love Pleks – my favorite Hab. But I think the Habs should shoot for this:

    1st Center – Eller
    2nd Center – Pleks
    3rd Center – DD

    This gives you size on the first line, and gives you a 3rd line with a very smart center who’s shown he can make things happen. Pleks as people have said would be a VERY good 2nd line center – and with the defensively responsible game he plays, that’s a good place for him.

    The challenges to this are a) Eller… he’s not quite ready… and who plays with him? And b) do you split up DD-Cole-Patches? For me, that’s the challenge for our GM and coaches to sort out.

    I should say even though they are 1,2,3… is in terms of role. One thing I like about Randy is that he’ll play a line more if they’re having a good game. So pulling a Carbo he could say he’s got 4 first lines… more to the point, use the lines differently depending on the game, keep other teams guessing as to which is actually the ‘first’ line.

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    • PureGuava says:

      I like it.

    • J_P says:

      Its hard to say with any certainty if Eller would be less effective than DD between cole and patches seeing as we’ve yet to see it tested for a decent enough stretch. Im fairly convinced that Eller-Patches-Cole would be an excellent line combination if allowed to play together for an extended stretch. DD seems like he can play with anybody anyways.

      With our roster though, there’s no possible combination that gives us a true first line. More like line 2a and 2b (or three third lines for all the cynics out there). Frankly, I think more success comes with having 3 lines that are more even, than one single dominant line. We witnessed this in last years cup final where the bruins did not have much trouble shutting down the canucks top line, while the canucks had tremendous difficulty stifling boston’s extremely balanced attack.

  29. estranged hab says:

    Hey Im studying in Grand Rapids Michigan so i have a question for anyone living in Montreal, Hows the overall vibe in the city when it comes to the team? how are people reacting to the struggling. all i know is what the gazette says and what the American sport shows say so i was just wondering what true Montrealers are feeling like.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Life goes on.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Armitagej says:

      Like stubbs stated on twitter today, its turned to apathy. People have given up on this season and stopped caring.

    • JUST ME says:

      I guess you have to be here to believe it. It`s either suicidal when you read the papers or extatic when they win one in a row…

      I think you have a pretty good idea if you read the papers and the comments here. French papers are even worst and flirt with national security…

    • mb says:

      People don’t really care anymore. Win it or lose it, just don’t do both.
      Mostly in a “Oh well, let’s see what happens…” mood.

    • SmartDog says:

      It’s pretty dire. People are definitely frustrated. Men gesticulate wildly on street corners and in their cars at stoplights. Women are seen wailing hanging out windows and in food courts at shopping malls. Some cry quietly in dressing rooms. Small children walk home from school with their heads bowed, dragging their bookbags in the snow and mud. Even dogs mope and refuse to eat dog food and fetch sticks. Some say even the cats are upset and won’t show affection or any regard for people as long as the Habs are in such dire shape. But others say that’s just normal – just cats being cats.

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    • G-Man says:

      It’s all terrible and horrible. Most, in fact, do not care any more. They smell a dead dog and stay away.

  30. John Q Public says:

    Calm before the storm.
    Waiting for the big trade to come!

  31. Mike D says:

    Anyone else find it funny that a lot of the commentariat who call for the heads of PG, BG, etc. are also the guys who want to trade Price and Subban?

    Even funnier when the criticism of management is that they make “panic-moves” and “knee-jerk reactions”.

    - Honestly yours

    • J_P says:

      I think all this trade Price and Subban talk is beyond ridiculous.

      Listen, anyone is tradeable if you’re getting great value back. But trading Price or Subban right now as a panic move, in moments of desperation, would certainly come back to haunt us.

      • montreal ace says:

        The two guys on the team that have natural talent with a good work ethic, and a desire to win. They are young and will only get better, please dont trade them. PG in the off season should have picked up a mean steady big Dman, whose main asset was in his defensive game, so PK could join the rush more, while keeping people honest around Price. There seems to be so little thought put into our defensive pairings, in terms of chemistry. We had Jeff Woywitka who seemed to have some of these qualities, and as happenes way to often to the Habs lost on the waiver wire to NY. I dont even want to mention the other guy in NY, thats just a crying shame in judgement

  32. SmartDog says:

    Someone raised a good question earlier, I’m going to repeat it here:

    Why should we have faith in Jeff Molson?

    What has he done? Has he restored our glory? Sent Gomez down? Helped our Power Play?
    I’m not at all convinced he’s a) got hockey smarts much better than some people on here and b) can see past the dollars to do the right things.

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  33. Paulin98C says:

    Question of the day:

    Would you part with centre David Desharnais? If yes, what would he fetch?

    IMO, as much as David is showing excellent vision and play making skills, he is still a small centre. With Plekanec not playing big either, I personally think that one of them should go. We are on the right track with acquiring wingers with size but other than Eller, we are small down the middle.

    Plekanec has been a HAB is entire career and has alot of money tied to him. Desharnais produces RIGHT NOW and comes at a cheap price therefore and has good value for it.

    I believe that with the right package, Desharnais could fetch a solid draft pick or prospect.

    Some of you might think I’m not a real fan because I’m for the re-build through the draft method, but I think we should sell, dradft and concentrate on player development. This will not happen over the course of a single season. I say play the youth, money saved by not spending to the cap to replace PG and re-start from scratch.

    Tough times to be a Habs fan, but I support my team through it all. Winning the cup is the ultimate prize and it will not happen being a middle of the pack team. I would still buy tickets to see the youth play their hearts out.

    _____________________________________________________
    Paulin98C says:
    December 19, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    “Today is my birthday. Another year ’til I reach the big milestone that is 30.

    With that being said, I wish the following birthday present:

    - a BIG “W” tonight vs the Bruins <— Did not happen
    - A goal from one or both Plekanec and Cammaleri <— Plekanec scored
    - a shout-out from BOONE on his live blog!!! <— Did not happen

    If, and I say if they lose tonight… Then tank the season and give me a top 3 draft pick!!!!!! <— Will it happen?"

    • Mike D says:

      Great question…and a very tough one for all the reasons you mention.

      One thing I do know is this: We are in need of a true #1 C.

      If we get one, we can’t have Pleks, DD, and Eller (assuming Gomez is traded or sent down and Nokie is not re-signed) down the middle.

      Pleks has proven he is a solid #2 and great defensively. Those are fairly hard to come by.

      DD as you mention is young and cheap and effective. Can he sustain that though?

      Eller shows flashes of brilliance here and there but he is also invisible on occassion. He’s big, skilled, young, and cheap. His ceiling is a #1 C and his floor is a #3 C. He could land anywhere in there and it wouldn’t surprise me. He might even be the next AK – dazzle you some nights, disappoint you some nights, and leave you angry about his inconsistency. Don’t know if Eller floats or cruises like AK seems to, but he’s invisible a lot of the time.

      - Honestly yours

      • Paulin98C says:

        As you mention, can DD sustain his current brilliance? For this very reason, I’m for keeping Plekanec as a #1 (until a #1 C with size is acquired either through trade or drafting) Eller as #2, Gomez #3 :( and Noki as #4…. for now.

        As for the D, we need to get bigger as well. Gorges is a keeper, PK I want to keep but I could not refuse to part with him if it brought in a #1 C. Emelin is also a keeper… the rest I could part with.

        I hope Markov comes back to his old self as well.

        ____________________________________________________________

        Paulin98C says:
        December 19, 2011 at 3:16 pm

        “Today is my birthday. Another year ’til I reach the big milestone that is 30.

        With that being said, I wish the following birthday present:

        - a BIG “W” tonight vs the Bruins <— Did not happen
        - A goal from one or both Plekanec and Cammaleri <— Plekanec scored
        - a shout-out from BOONE on his live blog!!! <— Did not happen

        If, and I say if they lose tonight… Then tank the season and give me a top 3 draft pick!!!!!! <— Will it happen?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      In your opinion, David Desharnais is a small player? Have you researched this? On what basis have you formed this opinion?

      ———————————
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      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  34. price365 says:

    If I was gonna start a rebuild right now. these are the forwards I would keep on the Habs. Cole, Max-pac, AK, Bourque. For a 3rd line. Moen, Pleks, Eller The “D” PK, Emelin, Gorges. Goaltending, if some team could offer me a #1 Goaltender for the future. I would take a good look at it before I gave out a big contract and it blows up in my face if you get what I mean. the rest, I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole. IMO as far as forwards and The “D” goes. that’s what we have to build around. Everyone else, SELL, SELL, SELL. Goaltending is also a ? mark. it maybe good but I’m not a 100% sold on it.

    • estranged hab says:

      i agree but we have to keep our young core and use players like cole to really keep a team on the ice and semi competitive. also i believe our ‘selling’ should not be handled by the Vegan Goat

  35. MiltonHab says:

    Anybody but PK, Price, Patches, Gorges, DD, Cole, Bourque, Gio, Plek

    for picks/prospects right now!

  36. rogieshan says:

    Nothing better to do, so here’s two trade ideas:

    Plekanec & Subban to Colorado for Paul Stastny & Erik Johnson

    Or

    Plekanec, Subban & Moen to Florida for Jonathan Huberdeau, Dimitri Kulikov and Keaton Ellerby.

  37. nellis13 says:

    Stop picking on Price. Ken Dryden would suck with these guys in front of him. Kaberlame’s just pathetic. Swiss Fondue for Two are about as tough as Maria von Trapp (I’d actually pick Maria in a fight, she got away from those Nazis). Hall Gill’s old….I mean ooooooooooold. He looks like he needs a walker out there. PK can’t make up his mind if he’s great of if he sucks. Emelin’s still getting his footing and Georges…well he’s probably the only reliable guy out there.

  38. ABHabsfan says:

    How’s this; G. Molson uses is very limited influence with the NHL to get the Coyotes to trade for Gomez (for who doesn’t matter) then Phoenix moves to QC. The Habs re-new the Battle of Quebec against Gomez 6 times per year. Possible?

  39. BLACK ICE says:

    Trade Price. That was the rant a couple of yrs ago. When he bolts you fans will get your wish!

  40. SmartDog says:

    You guys are nuts. All of ya.

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  41. J_P says:

    Quick Poll:

    Who do you think is the biggest relative disappointment this year?
    A) Your montreal canadiens
    B) Washington Capitals
    C) Anaheim Ducks
    D) Buffalo Sabres
    E) another team who you feel is a huge disappointment

    I would have to say the capitals. Thats a team that completely lost its swagger. From toast of the league, to bubble team. With the positive changes that George Mcphee made (bolstering the D, adding vokoun, adding depth and grit), I find it unreal that washington has stumbled so hard. This team should be contending for top spot in the east, not fighting to stay in a playoff spot.

  42. montreal ace says:

    Gomez and his salary with no production, our highest paid player who does nothing but smile and giggle while on the ice. How on earth can this team play better when the guy who is supposed to get 60 to 80 points a year, is never ever going to come close to that. He is one of the biggest mistakes in our history, and the only good that will ever come from him is when he is with the Bulldogs. The players on this team are suffering because of him, they are being asked to make up his point production, and its never going to happen. I have made many excuses for Gomez, but he has run out of time in my books and needs to be erased.

    • SmartDog says:

      Gomez is taking the common idea that “it’s important to have fun out there” and dragging it through the mud. Watching him talk to other players and yuk it up you’d think he was an enforcer, there just to do one thing and get back off the ice. No other top line centers act that way because they have business on their minds, not jokes.

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    • Le Jadester says:

      I don’t understand how he just slid right into the PP right when he came back ?
      That was very JMish of Randy IMO

      Habs, OLE !

  43. JUST ME says:

    A massive trip ? Really ? More important than yesterday`s game ? More than any other ?

    The habs are not at a stage where they can judge an opponent and pretend that it is up to par or not. Every game is important and even though we say so , we still come here to write as if yesterday was the end of the world and tomorrow was the first challenge to lead us to the cup.

    Since day 1 this season it`s been this way in the medias and on here. The biggest game is tomorrow, a huge lost yesterday ,a convincing win for the habs, a no show at Bell Center….

    No middle of the road just massive trips…

  44. HabFanSince72 says:

    Let’s think outside the box for a moment.

    If we’re thinking of players we could trade that would help a cup contender, first on the list is Erik Cole.

    Don’t get me wrong: I love Cole. He’s our best player and should have gone to the all-star game (if Price deserves to be in Ottawa I deserve pie for breakfast every day).

    But he would be an impact player on teams like Vancouver, San Jose, or Washington.

    Could we get a #1 and a top prospect for him? Should we do it?

    How about both of the Caps’ #1 picks?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • avatar_58 says:

      No. Because there’s no guaruntee Yakapov or Grigorenko are NHL stars. I like Cole and I think he’s quickly become a staple that cannot be traded.

      • HNS says:

        Sorry not Cole. His work ethic would dictate him as even being captain of this team perhaps one day.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Erik Cole turns 34 this year.

        Cole for Yakupov would be a no-brainer.

        That’s not what the deal would be though. It would be Cole for a 20th pick plus a prospect.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • kempie says:

      You watch your mouth.

    • shiram says:

      That would signal management has given up on the season, and while they might have, they don’t want to come out publicly with something like that.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Every fan in Montreal knows this season is a wash. I can’t think too many people would be upset – especially if this happened in mid February.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • shiram says:

          Not talking about the fans, but they would probably over-react anyways, but management.

          “We have a half-season to play,” Molson said. “We’re still hoping to make it. You have to continue to believe you can make the playoffs … until you can’t.”

          This is what Molson was saying this week.

    • J_P says:

      Signing a free agent and trading him, unless he asks for the trade, is completely classless. It’s going to be hard enough as it is to sign free agents moving forward.

    • Bripro says:

      Cole might be 34, but he plays with the heart of a 20-year old.
      He’s the best pick up we’ve had in years.
      Trade him? C’mon! You can’t tell me we don’t have other trading options.
      I’d let virtually every other player on the team go before releasing him.

    • The Dude says:

      72 ,As much as I like Cole ….it’s BLOW -UP TIME! And yes Cole would get you a lot right now cus he’s like playing like a Superstar and is a must add to any play-off bound team ..the Blues? And with the Sabre’s failings and tale of Miller wanting out And with Price’s agent wanting more that $7 mill per long term …how bout a swap Ryan Miller and Tyler Myers /Carey Price and P.K. Subban ,it’s a win win for both teams and a fresh start?And AK could get us something special . Plecs, Gionta,Kaberle,Gill for????Moen to Winnipeg? BUT 1st GET RID OF GAUTHIER!

      • Bripro says:

        That’s the first smart trade proposal I’ve read in a while.
        And you’re right. I think both teams would be happy with that.
        Anything less for our two prized stallions and forget it!

    • frozengolf says:

      If we could get a nice pick plus a prospect for him I would trade him in a heartbeat. He’s played well this year, but is on the wrong side of 30 and in a year or two when he slows down everyone on here will be calling form him to be traded because of the big contract. Follow the Sam Pollock philosophy, trade them when they’re worth something.

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      “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

      —Fred “The Fog” Shero

  45. J_P says:

    I said yesterday that the habs had no excuse to lose last night, and once again they put forth a disappointing effort in a game they had to win. Everything was in their favor (backstrom+green injured, washington tired from only getting to montreal at 1 am after playing the night before, etc…), yet once again they put forth just a terrible effort.

    This powerplay has to get resolved, and fast. Im going right after the coaches for this one. No excuse for Rene Bourque, who was brought in as a replacement for cammalleri, only getting just over 1 minute on the powerplay. 6 consecutive minutes of powerplay in the third and we couldnt even get one! Completely unacceptable. Poor personnel decisions and poor execution.

    Anyone who has read my posts knows i am the first to defend the goalies. Hard to blame Carey for last nights loss seeing as once again the boys couldn’t score, and especially because they couldnt score on the PP. Hard to win a game when the offense doesnt score. HOWEVER, if Carey wants $7 million/yr, he CANNOT give up those two soft goals on 4 shots early in the game. It just totally shifts the momentum in the oppositions favor, and forces your offensively challenged team to have the pressure of already being down by 2. The bottom line is that Careys play this year, as bad as our D has been, has not been of the caliber of a $7M goalie.

  46. MacHabFan says:

    Legend: Keep = Yes

    45 Mike Blunden – Yes
    27 Rene Bourque – Yes
    72 Erik Cole – Yes
    52 Mathieu Darche – No
    51 David Desharnais – Yes
    81 Lars Eller – Yes
    21 Brian Gionta – Yes
    11 Scott Gomez – No
    46 Andrei Kostitsyn – No
    32 Travis Moen – Yes
    15 Petteri Nokelainen – No
    67 Max Pacioretty – Yes
    14 Tomas Plekanec – Yes
    53 Ryan White – No
    17 Chris Campoli – No
    61 Raphael Diaz – No
    74 Alexei Emelin – Yes
    75 Hal Gill – No
    26 Josh Gorges – Yes
    22 Tomas Kaberle – No
    79 Andrei Markov – Yes
    76 P.K. Subban – Yes
    68 Yannick Weber – No
    30 Peter Budaj – Yes
    31 Carey Price – Yes

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      Just curious, what’s your reasoning behind letting White go?

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I like white and he fits the mold of grit and size. I would like to keep him and he will most likely be our Moen next year cause I think moen will be dealt for the reasoning that he has value….most of our assests currently don’t have much

        • powdered toastmann says:

          White is a character 4th liner who can skate. He is not a big player @ 6′ 190+ Ibs but he plays big. He is gritty, yes, but he’s plays with a large “set” , a big heart, and can handle himself quite well. He should not be considered as any major deterrent/enforcer/major tough guy. (that is not fair to him)

          He also should not be considered as someone who would replace another existing player who also plays with heart and grit.

          We need more of these guys, not just one or two

      • powdered toastmann says:

        White – yes

    • J_P says:

      I would trade Gionta and give the C to gorges.

    • frozengolf says:

      Gionta – No
      Diaz- Yes

      _________________________________________________________
      “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

      —Fred “The Fog” Shero

  47. FuzE_gus says:

    Writers need to write. Players need to play. But fans have to put things into perspective. The Habs have been average with the odd blimp of marginal success since ’93. Middle of the pack drafting has secured a team of great 2nd and 3rd line prospects. Every team needs those. Carey Price was the one lottery exception. Now it’s time to accept its their time to drop and draft a real blue chipper. It has to happen. First line centres don’t sign in Montreal. They just don’t.

    With Regards from FuzE_gus

  48. The Cat says:

    Let me ask the peanut gallery this: If PK Subban has a problematic attitude, and we know Price and him are good friends, can we assume that Price has an attitude problem as well? Qui se ressemble, s’assemble.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • J_P says:

      Personally I dont think PK has a bad attitude, I just think there’s some guys in the room that are too old school to handle him, or are just jealous of his larger than life personality and all the attention he gets.

      • Lizardking89 says:

        Yep I think that’s it too. The kid is confident and brash and it may rub some other players the wrong way. We need more of this kind of player imo.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      1 +1 does not always equal 2. Everyone has a friend who is cocky and outgoing and that is fine but you won’t always agree with how they do things. PK has loads of talent but he for sure does cost the team hockey games at times. Unfortunately, this year he has cost quite a few. I have always liked his talent but I don’t like his diving and embelishing and yipping at other players. Personally I would trade PK if it was for a really solid young top four D man like a Weber. PK will always be good but he will always be a distraction as well.

  49. I just don’t get the hate for PG. All the problems this team has are problems he inherited from Gainey. And as much as I really like Gainey and think he took a reasonable gamble given the situation at the time, there’s no getting around that fact.

    If the biggest knock on PG is that he swapped a 2nd-rounder for half a season of the Wiz, most GMs have done far worse.

    If the worst trade he’s made was dealing an aging D-man for Kaberle, who’s managed 9 points in 17 games playing low minutes on a lousy team — posting a better point-per-game pace than Eller, AK46, Gionta or Subban in the process — then PG isn’t the problem.

    If you’re complaining that Gomez is still on the books, ask yourself what GM would take him — even for free.

    Markov may prove to be done, but so long as he’s injured, we can (and do) replace his cap hit with someone else’s, so no real harm there.

    All this to say, soyons réalistes…

    All PG’s moves — Cole, Eller, Blunden, Bourque, Kaberle — have made the team bigger, better, hungrier or all three. This team’s problems can’t be fixed overnight, but PG is working on it. Give the guy a little more leash and let him continue in the fine direction he’s been working in.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Let me just to start by saying that I don’t hate PG, nor I am his biggest fan. You are completley wrong when you say all the problems on this team are inherited from Gainey. PG was Gainey’s assistant and head of pro scouting, so PG had his say in all of the signings and the Gomez trade even though he wasn’t GM. Now if you want to change the culture of this team, then PG and Gainey, who I am a huge fan of, both as a player and GM, need to be replaced with new blood.

      • Mike D says:

        So you’re a fan of Gainey as a GM, but you’re neutral on PG? That doesn’t make sense to me.

        PG was assistant to BG, and now BG is advisor to PG. So they both have their hands in there. Can we not agree that better moves have been made with PG as GM compared to BG?

        Bob did make some great moves so he is not without credit. Drafting Carey was a good move despite the Halak lovers. And trading Rivet for Gorges and the 1st round pick that became Max-Pac was also brilliant.

        - Honestly yours

        • mdp2011 says:

          Exactly my point, they both have to share in the responsiblity, they both built this team. Gainey took this team from the lowest point in the team’s history and turned them back into a respectable franchise. PG has made some good moves GM, but also has made some short sighted moves without looking at the long term effect it will have on the team. But now, if you want to change the culture of the team, and you want to retool the roster for next year, I am not sure that PG and BG are the men to do it. I think you need some new voices and a different vision going forward.

          • Mike D says:

            I think the GM’ing is trending in a positive direction ATM and I would be hesitant to make changes there unless it was for someone who has proven they can get the job done and who is unquestionably better than our current group. Now is not the time to replace management with a question mark.

            PG’s worst moves are considered by most the Kabby/Spatcho trade and the Campoli signing.

            I think we will get more for Kabby than we would have got for Spatcho.

            Campoli hasn’t done anything for us, but even if we move him for a 5th rounder or something (he was worth a 2nd last year), then all he’s done is essentially buy another draft pick. No damage done there.

            - Honestly yours

    • Mike D says:

      I agree that PG has done a better job than many give him credit for. He’s not perfect, but I think he’s done really well.

      I don’t think his biggest knock is the Wiz trade though. If anything, it was considered a good move by most because he acted early (well before trade deadline) meaning a cheaper price to pay (also due to lack of competition for Wiz’s services at that time). He was also smart in making the move BEFORE announcing Gorges was done for the year which made him look less desperate to Garth Snow.

      - Honestly yours

      • Kooch7800 says:

        The Kabby trade in my opinion was just plain stupid.

        • Mike D says:

          I initially thought so too because he has two years after this year on his contract, but I’ve come to the conclusion that Kabby is still very tradeable and will likely bring more in return than Spacek would have in a trade.

          He was worth a 1st rounder just a year ago so he can’t be worth less than a 2nd this year I think. 4.25mil is not a terrible cap hit for a Dman who can average a point every other game on the league’s worst PP. They will also consider that Kabby’s two teams this season are brutal and he can be more effective on a better team. Don’t know that he’ll be moved at the deadline but will be in the offseason unless Markov is officially done.

          - Honestly yours

  50. Adidess says:

    Kempie,
    You got suckered there. I know this because I am a big Jon Stewart fan. The montage is well done but uses a piece Jon did last year on Fox News. I remember seeing it. They used everything, except the actual footage Jon had, which was changed for hockey images. It’s still hilarious.

  51. rogieshan says:

    This team will flounder until it knows who is running the ship. No matter how hard Cunneyworth tries, he will not succeed in rallying those in the dressing room who view him as a lame-duck coach. The core players who sacrificed their butts under Martin’s system have collectively lost the will to salvage this wreck. Now is the time to identify who the keepers are. If Molson is committed to hiring a new (francophone) coach, then it should be done now – please!

  52. LL says:

    If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. ;)

    Tank list: Yes – keep No – Trade

    Criteria: will these players challenge for a cup one day?

    45 Mike Blunden – Yes
    27 Rene Bourque – Yes
    72 Erik Cole – Yes
    52 Mathieu Darche – Non
    51 David Desharnais – Non
    81 Lars Eller – Yes
    21 Brian Gionta – Yes
    11 Scott Gomez – No
    46 Andrei Kostitsyn – No
    32 Travis Moen – Yes
    15 Petteri Nokelainen – No
    67 Max Pacioretty – Yes
    14 Tomas Plekanec – No
    53 Ryan White – Yes
    17 Chris Campoli – No
    61 Raphael Diaz – No
    74 Alexei Emelin – Yes
    75 Hal Gill – No
    26 Josh Gorges – Yes
    22 Tomas Kaberle – No
    79 Andrei Markov – ?
    76 P.K. Subban – Yes
    68 Yannick Weber – No
    30 Peter Budaj – Yes
    31 Carey Price – Yes

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      So Blunden will push for the cup with the habs but not DD?

      • habs178 says:

        I’m with you on that. How can anyone say anything about DD is beyond me. The guy is awesome, isn’t afraid to get “dirty”, and in more time than not, he’ll come out with puck after battling 1-3 d-men who are just massively larger than him. Unreal.

        “To disbelieve is easy; to scoff is simple; to have faith is harder”
        ~ Louis L’Amour
        I’ve got the faith!

        • LL says:

          Ok, OK don’t get mad, it’s just an opinion.

          I like DD a lot, but I just don’t see him carrying a team that far. (I’ve been wrong before, I’m proud to admit)
          Blunden is a hard working energy player who never gives up, and is actually improving. Every team needs one.

    • GoGioGo says:

      How you suggest to keep Budaj (no offense to him, but who cares about the back-up, seeing how many starts Price gets each year) but to drop DD is beyond me.

      And of course, we need White and Blunden, but not Plekanec nor Kostitsyn.

      Let’s throw every player but Price, who were with the team before 2010, under the bus! Yay!!!

      • LL says:

        DD explained above. I also took into consideration previous playoff performances. Love Pleks and AK but the question is…will they make the difference?

        Again, just my own opinion and debate starter.

        • GoGioGo says:

          Read your answer about DD just after posting. And I respect your opinion, I just wonder why we need all three of Moen/White/Blunden. I would keep 2 out of those 3 (sorry White but we got better in the toughness department while you were injured, so better luck elsewhere).

          And I think Plex is just having an off year, and will be useful again in the (let’s hope near) future. I don’t want to find him excuses, but it must have been a LOT of fun to play with Mr. Me-myself-and-I Ca”marde”rri!!

          Go on and debate!

          • LL says:

            Good points. For me, Moen is a step above the other 2. Good skater, PK guy, and better hands. I’m liking more and more the idea of our team being tougher to play against.

            If/when the day comes that Pleks doesn’t have to play 5 on 5, PK and PP, maybe then he’ll have energy for the playoffs. I wouldn’t move him anytime soon, except for an offer than can’t be refused.

  53. EricInStL says:

    You cannot give into panic. But at the same time you have to have a plan and a vision.

    It`s pretty hard to do that when you do not have a long term solution at GM and Coach.

    Now you can do a couple of small time moves like trading a non-essential player for a draft pick, but you cannot do a blockbuster unless the management and coaching team is already in place or part of the decision making process (like JM as GM)….

    So after the season, the big question is what to do with Subban. Clearly, the team is divided with him (for or against him, hi Pleks…).

    You only should trade him if you get MAJOR value for him and you`re certain Tinordi is ready to come in next year.

    By major, we’re talking a 1st line forward with size + high draft pick.

  54. habsnyc says:

    Compare the five most talented Habs to the five most talented players on each team in the NHL. Compare their talent, age, duruability and salary.

    Next look at the five most talented players who are actually playing on each team and see how many of them are highest paid on their team.

    I reach two conclusions. Montreal’s top players are not top level talent. While most teams pay their top five most talented players the most money, Montreal’s salary dollars go to players not impacting the scoresheet. When a team is under talented and the wrong players are being paid, the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the front office personnel.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  55. VTHockey11 says:

    At this point it’s obvious (and has been for several seasons) that this team isn’t built to win a Cup. It worries me that Habs fans want to make the playoffs this season.

    The fact is, and I’m being really FRANK here, this team is not going to win a cup. I don’t care if Ken Dryden is between the pipes, this isn’t a Cup-winning team. So who cares about making the playoffs?

    Frankly, I only want to make the playoffs if we have a team that could win. And we don’t. But every year that we sneak into the playoffs we (and the management) delude ourselves into thinking we’re just a step or two away from a Cup. We aren’t. We’re nowhere near that.

    I think it’s an optimal time to scrap everything and start fresh, and here’s why:

    We have a strong core of young players. Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Emelin, Eller, Gorges, Moen, Deharnais, and Diaz are all solid young players that we can begin to build a team around. They’re hard-working and talented and have the potential to build something special with a few extra pieces. We need to trade our veterans (except for Cole and Plekanec) and we need to get size. This team is small. We need to draft a real star.

    Do you know the last time the Habs had a true star player who wasn’t a goalie? It was 1978 and Guy LaFleur. The last Hab to lead the league in scoring was Guy LaFleur over 30 years ago. We need to build around a guy like Yakupov who, with guys like Borque and Emelin around him, can open the entire team up to better play.

    We need to scrap things, build around our youth, and start over. Let’s not push for the playoffs when we don’t have a shot. Let’s not delude ourselves that 1 or 2 veterans will push over the edge. The only way to get to a Cup is to get at least 1 superstar and have a young, talented team. We’re halfway there.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      While I don’t disagree with most of what you’re saying, how exactly are the Habs small anymore?

      • VTHockey11 says:

        I’ll keep saying the Habs are small until they show some grit. When was the last time we came anywhere near competing with the Bruins or Flyers in terms of size, grit, power?

        It’s not that we have a particularly small team, but some of our highest paid players couldn’t stand in front of the net if their lives depended on it, and we have very few players (with the exception of Emelin, Cole, Borque, Subban) who can really throw their weight around and do something against other teams.

        We’re shoved around too easily still. We need a big, powerful center to anchor our team.

  56. D Mex says:

    ” … a two-game road trip that could well define the team’s season. ”

    Really Stubbs – this season isn’t already defined ?
    The only thing I am really looking to at this point is seeing what and how well the front office does in terms of setting the team up for the future. Get on with it.

    ALWAYS Habs -
    D Mex

    • habsnyc says:

      It could define the value Montreal will get for pending free agents.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • D Mex says:

        The Habs season seems to be defined clearly enough already – posters here are really only debating how and where the dust will settle.

        The ‘ value ‘ of pending free agents, whether UFAs or RFAs, will be decided by the extent to which teams in the marketplace want to acquire them them or want to hold on to them – the usual. The only item yet to be finalized IMO is PG’s report card, which will be further influenced by what he does, and doesn’t do, when that time comes.

        ALWAYS Habs -
        D Mex

  57. habsperspective says:

    I had to add another thought. This about Gionta. I think he has heart, and has no quit. But I dont beleive he was the right choice as captain, and Im not sure who would be exactly. But we dont need to trade him, like weve always done with our past captains.

    San Jose a couple years back, stripped Marleau of his Captaincy, and hes remained on. I dont see why we couldnt do the same, Marleau’s been fine since, and I think Gionta could also handle this.

    • D Mex says:

      Alfredsson actually ‘ returned ‘ it in Ottawa a few years ago …

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

    • VTHockey11 says:

      I think Gionta is a player with tons of guts who really does give his all. I think when he isn’t injured he is a leader in the locker room, but, I think an “Assistant Captaincy” would be a better position for him.

      I think it’s obvious Josh Gorges is the real captain on this team.

  58. Hobie Hansen says:

    Looking at the standings, I think TSN has it right in saying that we have 10% chance of making the playoffs.

    I’d say it could be possible if we we playing well. After beating the Rangers I had hopes of an incredible run taking place but right now there are a couple big problems that make it impossible to believe.

    Hal Gill and are Andrei Kostitsyn are finishing of their careers as Montreal Canadiens for sure. It is showing in Gill’s ice time and Kostitsyn is sulking and has only 2 goals in 17 games.

    Plekanec is frustrated and it is also showing in his play.

    We’ve only got a handful of guys that display evidence of wanting to succeed at the moment. Bourque, Moen, Cole, Pacioretty, Desharnais and Gorges look like the only guys who give a rat’s ass.

    Subban has some spunk but he looks fedup and frustrated a lot of the time as well.

    Keep: Cole, Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Bourque, Gorges, Desharnais, Moen, White and Emelin.

    All the rest should be made readily available.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Golf… who on Habs is a good golfer? I guess we’re about to find out.

      P.S. Don’t read the potential GM List on TSN, aside from Brisebois (not Patrice) the list is not interesting and in fact horrifying, including names like John Ferguson, Jr., who was an utter disaster in Toronto, and JM “because Habs still owe him $3M” – Well we owe Gomez about $20 Million and I don’t see him being touted as GM.

      Morons.

      In other news, Ducks have straightened out their flight path – 6 and 1 in their last 7.

      Sometimes your star player yelling and firing the coach works…
      … and sometime it don’t.

      Anyone here been to Joe Beef et cie? I’m devouring the cook book as we speak. Makes me plus nostalgic — also the book is full of Habs references.

      • Jocko says:

        LA, I could not agree with you more on that list. All I was thinking was WTF. If dreger is the INSIDER, hate to see who is an NHL outsider!!! JFJ!!!! WTF!!! Just thought the whole list was insane. I believe it is Julien Brisebois in Tampa who may be a decent choice. If he is anything else like the other french guys there, he won’t accept a job in Montreal.

        I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

  59. JUST ME says:

    Did not read any of the post game comments nor did i read this morning`s reflections…

    I know too well what i would have found and am tired of those unrealistic views and rumors.
    As hard as it can sometimes be, i understand that defeats are to be expected more than i would like. Naive as i am ,i still hope that maybe…But i would rather go one game at a time and cross my fingers.
    Nothing to write about last night.No need to say more than what we have seen. Pens time !

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Well, last night was important, VERY important. A character test we FAILED MISERABLY.

      Caps have injuries, got in at 1 am after losing to the ISLANDERS — so Price felt sorry for them and coughed up 2 softies on 4 shots and the game was essentially over.

      That’s it in a nut shell. Until this team develops character and stones then everything else we discuss is academic.

      Open to suggestions.

  60. Prairienewf says:

    Sign Price to a 4 year 22 mil that goes 6 mil, 6 mil, 5 mil, 3 mil.

    That way if he ain’t producing near the end we don’t take a big hit and the lower salary at the end makes him moveable

  61. Mike D says:

    I gave up on this years playoff chances around 3-4 weeks ago. Long after most, but before some as well. For those still in the “we can turn it around and make the playoffs this year” camp, I admire your optimism. I really do, even though I disagree.

    I haven’t given up on the TEAM by any means and will always be a die hard Habs fan, but this season is a lost cause. Looking at the East standings, I think only the teams in the top 10 have a good chance at making the playoffs. All the teams in the 6-10 spots will likely make moves by the deadline to increase their chances of making it. The better teams will add pieces they think will put them over the top.

    Management must do everything it can to take advantage of the situation, because a lot of positive can come from it if handled correctly. I’m not in the “tank” camp and a sports organization you should never endorse losing, but if management maximizes on his year’s misfortunes, we can see a very quick and long-lasting turn around.

    This season has been a disaster considering the optimism most had coming into it, but that’s what happened. Not capitalizing on the opportunity we now have would be the greatest shame of all.

    - Honestly yours

  62. habsperspective says:

    As the Habs season reaches its precipice. Im reminded of the small victorys that I remain unrealistically hopeful for.

    We win all remaining 4 Leaf games, and they also miss the playoffs for the seventh straight time.

    Gomez, AK, and PG, walk the plank.

    After that hopefully, Markov, comes back next year, and isnt a complete bust as I suspect he will be. Otherwise Wiz, Hamr, an co, were slain in vain.

    &&&&&

    We dont sign Price to some ludicrous contract, and by ludicrous, I mean anything above 3-4 years, and over 30 million dollars. That will destroy this product even longer. Hes worth something, however this team, should be about TEAM, not individuals. This can only cause more descension.

    A couple of unrealistic thoughts, but most would find some salvation through.

  63. dorvalhabsfan says:

    Why should we trade PG? was the Cammalleri trade not good? wasnt it just a few weeks ago that we loved eller way more then halak? are we not happy with leblanc? or Cole? or Blunden? or White? just because the team sucks cant always blame management.. at some point it becomes the players fault.. when the players dont show up is it PG’s fault?

    Was firing JM the right thing to do? it doesn’t seem like it was.. I Don’t notice a better system, let alone a very different one anyways…

    Firing PG will produce the same, hes been in charge like what, 18 months? you need stability and a chance to let him work through the 5 year contracts that he was saddled with.. stabililty is key to long term success…

    you guys complain that the team is lacking of class, but solutions the plebacite come up with are far from classy, or respectable… you cant fire everyone at first trouble, nor can you just bury big contracts… those are NOT classy moves (im not arguing for or against just the ethics)

    In summary hypocricy is rampant, and desperation is the norm here in MTL… PG has NOT done a bad job, nor has he done a GREAT job but we must be patient and see where it goes.. we where slated for top 5 eastern conference finish, this season has been a sad display of poor luck, nor the BEST decisions but hindsight as they say is 20/20…

    I’m not thinking or hoping the habs make the playoffs, i dont want them to tank either! but i do want a ssolid draft pick and hopefully receive a very solid prospect that may not need development in the AHL.. im curious to see what happens for the rest of the season.. i dont think we’ll be able to move Gomez, but im sure we’re trying !!

    Go Habs Go

    • LA Loyalist says:

      JM should have been fired the morning after the game 3 loss to Boston in the playoffs last year, or at the latest after we were eliminated.

      By waiting until the middle of the season PG limited our options and tied the hands of whomever was coaching. Our players were essentially “institutionalized” and you can’t reprogram into a new system during the season very easily.

      And that is all on PG (though I like some of what he’s done),

  64. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I have been supporting this team since 1957 and expect to do so until the good Lord calls me home. Through thick and thin. Ups and downs. Ins and outs. To those true fans like me, cheers! The rest of you can GFY!

    Go Habs!

    • G-Man says:

      I am still a fan. This season’s been a huge disappointment right from the pre-season. I still cheer for the team, but this season has been tough to watch.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Cheers to you too, I agree 1000%.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Oh cry me a river. I wear a habs toque every day and watch every game I can.

      When they suck I’m going to say so. If that offends you that’s your problem not mine. The habs suck right now and that’s a fact

    • Rad says:

      Just listen to this guy! A self-proclaimed “true fan.” Or perhaps it was the Good Lord that proclaimed him as such? I guess the rest of us are “Untrue fans.”

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You can support the team and still hold the players, management and owners accountable, just like you support your kid or your professional colleagues and still hold them accountable.

      So you can take your GFY and stick it and don’t patronize those who think you are having a senior’s moment.

    • The Dude says:

      I have been supporting this team since 1963 and expect to do so till I breath my last breath and those’s fans like me that understand the principal of sport is to WIN and understand that 19 years without a finals involving Les Glorieux is a SHAM,Cheers! And to those who support mediocre Hab teams and like to tell other Hab fans to GFYS….THERE’S PROBABLY MEDS YOU SHOULD BE ON,LOL

  65. bellcentre hotdog says:

    I’m not one for doom and gloom but holy crap …

    Habs just 2 points from last place in the Eastern Conference.

    Just 4 points from 2nd to last overall. In my 44 years, I can’t remember a Habs team being this bad this late into a season. Everytime I think they’ve turned the corner … they don’t. Wins are followed by losses. Inspired play is followed by disinterest.

    I don’t think the players on this team are bad players.

    But 46 games in, it is quite evident that this is a very bad team.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      The crazy part is the team was never that bad but injuries and poor play by its veterans killed this season.

      Oh well I would love to get a high draft pick. There is a decent core and hopefully we can shed some dead weight. I like the fact the team is getting bigger and has more grit. for the last 5 or 6 seasons we have had a ton of floaters who are soft….time to change that mold cause the east is getting a lot stronger and we needed to change. We need an overhall at centre and on Defense.

      I would give up some serious players for Shea Weber if he is on the market. He is a beast on the back end. he can score, hit and keep the puck out of our end

  66. kirkiswork says:

    I just read an article on Puck Daddy……..Le Skratch in Brossard and Laval are offering a free shooter for every goal $8,000,000 man Scott Gomez scores.
    Not much chance of anyone getting drunk.
    Heck they could offer a shooter for each goal the whole team scores and still nobody would even catch a buzz.

  67. G-Man says:

    The only “massive” thing about this road trip is the headache afterwards. The season has already been defined: the 2011/12 Habs stink. Poor effort. Poor execution. Players that really don’t give a crap. Players that show up once every 4 or 5 games (hello AK, Eller).
    The end of the season is nigh and it’s not yet Groundhog Day. This after expecting big things in the off-season from the forwards and the goalie. The team is disappointing and without character. The players don’t stand up for each other. Pathetic.

  68. Top Corner says:

    This was funny….for anyone who has not viewed yet

    http://youtu.be/npn0dyhSyr0

    • kempie says:

      That was awesome. Thank you. I hadn’t seen that and I just watched it twice. I love that guy already but after watching this, somebody should ship him an Erik Cole jersey.

      The thing about Stewart is really good at smelling bullshit and this whole Bruins discipline/Stanley Cup fiasco is just so absurd that it was begging for his attention. Attaboy Jon.

  69. nick says:

    So the big question is… when / if MTL lose their next game… who gets pulled during the 2nd period?

  70. Adidess says:

    At this point, pushing the Leafs further away from 8th place is good enough for me. They have enough talent to play that spoiler role btw now and the end of the season, though drafting high should be a more important priority now.
    Trying to look at the bright side. If there’s one, it’s the fact that we now have no excuses for keeping Gill, Kaberle, Campoli and Darche past the trade deadline.

  71. EastCoastJoe says:

    With just over 6 weeks to the trade deadline, is now not the time to replace the GM? Definitely after this weekend, anything less than 2 regulation wins and the season needs to be officially written off by ownership. They need to get the new blood in there now, to assess this team over the next weeks. PG should not be in charge of making major (or even minor) changes to this lineup which will affect the future of the team. It must be apparent to the Molsons that he is not the man to lead this team back to greatness. I guess it begs the question then: Who is?

    • Rad says:

      The Goat Must Go!

    • avatar_58 says:

      Nah instead they’ll let him destroy the team then replace him afterwards anyway. I say choose NOW whether Gauthier stays. Extend his contract, or give him the boot now. Don’t just stick your heads in the sand and pretend it’s ok to let a GM who’s on the way out make important decisions.

  72. shiram says:

    With fans like those posting below, why show up for a game?

  73. avatar_58 says:

    Practicing what, missing the net, missing passes, blind passes, missing checks, soft goals against and terrible line combos?

    They already have that stuff perfected

  74. smiler2729 says:

    Why bother practicing?

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  75. hab1970 says:

    I think Youppi asked for a trade…..

  76. EastCoastJoe says:

    I imagine he’s looking at those below your post.

  77. G-Man says:

    After all the crap I’ve read from laff fans…let their suffering continue. Long may they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The Sens are the underdog team of the East this season.

  78. Mike D says:

    Word G-man. The Laffs can suck it!

    Living in Ontario, laff fans have been on me all year (oddly enough these same idiots didn’t even appear to be hockey fans the past few years, let alone laff fans – suddenly they’re out of the woodwork now that they think they can make the playoffs and we’re below them in the standings).

    I’d love nothing more than for the Habs to solidy the Leaf’s 9th place finish this season by beating them on game 82 to knock them out of the playoffs and ensuring they get the least desirable non-playoff team draft position.

    - Honestly yours

  79. ABHabsfan says:

    Yeah Baby! Living in Leaf country now, the media and management of this team drives up the friggin’ wall. (actually the media and management of the Habs are killing me too) I have a lot of pals who are Leaf fans but it is not always their fault, you are kinda born with it. No one would purposely choose them would they? You have to admire their resilience though. I’ve got $100 with a Leaffan pal of mine that they don’t make the playoffs so here’s hopin’!

  80. mdp2011 says:

    Yes, don’t mind Ottawa or any other Canadian team making the playoffs, but not the Leafs. It’s bad enough the Habs likely won’t make the playoffs, but if the Leafs make it in, I won’t be able to watch TSN, CBC, or Sportsnet. I am already having flashbacks to the late 90′s when the Leafs were actually a decent team and the Habs were awful, I don’t want to relive that again.

  81. Rad says:

    Look at St. Louis. They just extended Brian Elliott, who has a goals against average of 1.68, 2nd best in the league, and a save % of .937, 3rd best in the league, for 2 more years at $1.8M per year.

  82. Mike D says:

    Making a move to “salvage the season” would be a nightmare wrapped up in a disaster.

    I don’t actually think PG or anyone else in Habs management believes the playoffs are still possible. They have to say they are though until it’s a mathematical guarantee we won’t make it, or there will be another media shit storm. Then again, I like PG more than most. He’s not without fault or blame, but I think he’s done a better job than most give him credit for. There could be better GM’s available but there are probably more that are worse.

    I would have been in support of Vinnie D. as GM, but then I heard what he said about PK last night. Sorry, but anyone who would give up on such a talented young player has no business inside the offices of the team in any capacity.

    We do need more quality depth at Goalie just in case Carey decides to leave as a UFA in the future.

    - Honestly yours

  83. LA Loyalist says:

    Amen. This next 4-6 weeks will make or break us for years, I’m sorry to say, depending on what PG does – or doesn’t – do.

    As the doctors say: “First do no harm.”

    Though I am not against applying Leaches to certain players.

  84. shiram says:

    Sorry Habsolutely, I did not mean to include or offend you.

  85. Mike D says:

    That would be nice, but very unlikely to happen. We will probably get one around the 5 spot due to where we are trending to finish.

    - Honestly yours

  86. J_P says:

    Molson took over as president, he isnt just the owner. Front office personnel decisions are on him. Although Pierre Gauthier is not his hire, he is the one who continues to allow PG to run the show.

    I think its premature to judge molson though. We have to see what he does in the off-season. If he retains PG, hes hopeless.

  87. JUST ME says:

    Although we may not be winner i refuse to be a loser. Tanking is for losers. Sorry if i offend you but you do not choose to lose . You must always try to win and be the best.

  88. Kooch7800 says:

    Are you actually a fan or do you just like to complain?

  89. RGM says:

    Look at his join date. It’s not hard to figure that one out. :)

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  90. LL says:

    ^This^ is what we have to look forward to. The Dude’s other personas.

    All kinds of innocuous comments are deleted by the mods, but this is allowed.

  91. J_P says:

    as we witnessed last week, St louis is a far superior team to our habs, so comparing halak to price right now is extremely unfair. Im not making excuses for price, but a goalie’s performance has a lot to do with the team playing in front of him.

  92. slychard says:

    Ha ha, Styxx. Domo arigato. Ha ha ha!

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  93. Steven says:

    There is so much wrong with this post…

    First, you’re comparing Cunneyworth(A coach) to Gainey, Gauthier and Houle, who are all GMs.

    To add, Gainey’s “horrible” team went to the Conference Finals then almost knocked off the Stanley Cup Champions the next year. Although that’s something we’ve all heard about a million times, it’s hard to argue that this season isn’t an anomaly considering that. With all this in mind, I don’t know how Gainey = Houle who ruined the team, and how Gauthier = either of them when he hasn’t made a single bad move(But he hasn’t made a particularly stellar one either)

    Moving on, Price was horrible for 5 years? His first year was stellar, as was last year. Halak’s year, he was decent enough(91.3 or so save percentage is respectable). This year, he’s also at 91.3 or so, and that’s notwithstanding the fact that his stats have plummeted after the last couple of games(Where the majority of the goals weren’t his fault. How do you fault a guy for being totally screened or having to face a 2-0 or breakaway?).

    I’d gander that you’re one of the “Keep Halak” fans. Before you argue that his stats are better this year(and only marginally and on a better team, I might add), don’t be quick to forget last year, where he was atrocious.

    As for Hamrlik and Wisniewski, if you seriously think those were bad decisions, you have no comprehension of management with the Cap. Wisniewski was asking for way too much considering what he can do and Hamrlik’s not worth what he’s making now, either.

    Finally, they’re trying to convince us we’ll make the playoffs. No one believes that, but what do you expect? They’d be signing their own death sentence if they said, “Yeah, we’re not gonna make it cuz we suck.” Come on.

  94. Ian Cobb says:

    Gomez has never been used by the hab’s properly under JM. He is a set up man, ask Elliash or Gionta! He was never a goal scorer per say. With the right wingers, he can be dynamite if he was able to let loose and be creative.!

  95. Sean Bonjovi says:

    If any GM did think they could “revive” Mr. Gomez’z career in a different situation, they would still wait until the summer to see if the Canadiens buy out his contract. By most accounts Sheldon Souray is having a decent season with the Stars, but that team is paying him $1,650,000 not the $4,500,000 they’d be paying if they’d gotten him off waivers, or in a trade, and not even the $2,250,000 he’d cost if they’d picked him up on re-entry waivers. I think Scott Gomez will take the same path to his next NHL team. I somewhat agree with Ian that Gomez could be useful to someone, somehow, but can’t picture him getting that chance on his current contract, so I completely agree with your first sentence Habsolutely.

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  96. Bripro says:

    Ian, I love the way his transition usually gets the puck out of our end, but I find his line mates have a hard time figuring out where he’s going.
    Last night, he collided with Cole entering the Caps zone and then he and AK crossed paths later, and AK who was expecting a pass I guess, was whistled off side.

  97. Digger03 says:

    Who told Gomez he couldn’t be creative? It doesn’t seem to me he’s being held back in any way. Gomez’s flaws are there for everyone to see and his lazy back checking stands out for me. I really hate when people blame coaches or systems for players lack of skill.

  98. The Dude says:

    It’s not just Gomez fault….when P.K. does an end to end rush and looks around to pass there’s NO ONE,EVER!lol It’s as if the other Habs don’t know how to follow opportunity___same thing with Gomez.

  99. Ian Cobb says:

    Players need to play a lot together before chemistry forms!

  100. Strabo says:

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  101. JayK-47 says:

    Phoenix. Owned by the NHL and has no fans to anger. Send him there for the last pick in the 2012 draft. Phx gets a lil more profitable, Mtl gets a crapload of cap room and signs a Tier 1 player. Laughter and high fives to follow.

  102. christophor says:

    how quickly things change.

    until recently, i’ve been generally proud of montreal fans and defended them against bruin, leaf, etc. d*ckbag critics.

    i still think those critics are d*ckbags and that their opinions (esp. about the language issue) are useless, but i barely defend habs fans anymore.

    the best fans are habs fans, but so are the worst. not sure which group is more numerous.

    only a fool would think plek is a 3rd line centerman. plain and simple.

  103. ABHabsfan says:

    PLeks actually has a terrific shot, used it well last year. We just haven’t seen it in a while

  104. ABHabsfan says:

    The issue at centre right now is that Eller, Peks and DD are all really 2nd or 3rd line guys. None are really fourth, none are the prototypical 1st. So assuming this 1st line stud arrives somehow, someone is the odd-man out. Eller is young and we all think there is a great upside. Pleks has been a terrific player and is currently underachieving but his contributions are still valuable. DD is the best playmaker there is right now, he’s young, and has more points at the same age than St.Louis and Briere to name a couple. so who goes?
    Based on quality of return, age and new direction needed for the team, I would (reluctantly) have to say Pleks

  105. kempie says:

    We truly do have the best and the worst.

  106. RiverviewCanadien says:

    don’t worry christophor, you are not alone with your thoughts.

  107. Un Canadien errant says:

    My friends and the community of Whistler are rocked by this news. Even if we had time to prepare for the worst, it’s still a shock. Most of us hoped that no news meant she was stable.

    We’ve lost good people in avalanches or pushing the boundaries, but this one is hard to take, as she landed a relatively routine trick on her feet and then toppled over. Seems so capricious.

    I didn’t know Sarah personally, but it’s such a small town and so many people knew her and loved her. No one has ever said the most trifling negative word about her. She was a beautiful person in the fullest sense of the word.

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  108. Steven says:

    Hmmm…. Person I was replying to deleted their post.

  109. Stev.R says:

    Pleks would be the one we would get the most in return for, but if we were somehow able to get a bona fide big number one center, I would love to have Pleks as the number 2.

  110. punkster says:

    This comment will most likely be entered as a finalist into the prestigious “HI/O Post of the Month” contest.

    Absolutely funny shiznit there.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  111. SmartDog says:

    It was Eller wasn’t it? Got a link to that TO goal?

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  112. TomNickle says:

    Yakupov, Eller or Desharnais as a 4th line centreman? Not likely.

  113. Habsbill24 says:

    Gionta needed about 10,000 shots to score his 28 goals and his next pass will be his first. He was a nice little player at one time but that day has come and gone plus he contributed mightly to this mess this year, he the silent captain that he is.


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