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158 Comments

  1. Neutral says:

    Congrats to your sister uncle PK

  2. Hobie Hansen says:

    Another topic people have been floating around is the prospect of trading Gomez because his base salary comes down after this season.

    Sure there are lots of teams that have cap space and would possibly be looking at base salary rather than the cap hit.

    However, would teams really be interested in paying Gomez a base salary of 5-mill for 40 pts.

    Even if his base salary was 3-mill I still doubt teams would want him?

    Am I missing something?

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I think Gomez will be gone in 2012 because the Canadiens will have too many centres. If he scores more like 60 points this year some team will take him, and if he’s just a 40 point guy the Canadiens can lend him to a team in Europe or the AHL without any harm to their reputation among free agents (If that was even a real concern in the first place). I don’t think he’ll be traded if he repeats this season, but I do think he’ll be gone.

      P.S. Maybe a team would pick him up to lure other free agents ;)

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I just think with his salary and cap hit he is compeltely impossible to move.

        I doubt Montreal would pull and Edmonton and pay his salary while he played in the minors.

        He’ll never get back to 65pts…we’re stuck with him. All we can hope is that he works his ass off this summer and comes back strong.

        Just imagine if Gomez was gone and we had 7-mill to spend on a #1 Center…wow!

  3. Hobie Hansen says:

    So what do people think?

    Is Gauthier going to go the predicatable route and sign Markov, Gorges, Gill and Kostitsyn and maybe another UFA if possible?

    Or is he going to pull off some sort of big trade and shake up the top six?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      definitely option #1

      :(

    • Mike D says:

      Doing both isn’t out of the question. Marky and Gorges will be resigned for sure. I strongly believe Gill and AK will be brought back as well. Part of me also wants them to bring Poolio back too cuz I think an argument can be made for keeping him based on his age, size, skill/potential relative to his small cap hit of only 1.375mil. He really needs to work on his skating, balance, and whatever is going on mentally that prevents him from playing like he can. Not sure if Poolio’s in the cards though as he was definitely in JM’s doghouse at the end. If they’re not gonna bring him back then they need to at least package him with Spacek or Gomez so we somehow benefit from letting him go.

      - Honestly yours

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Would you trade pouliot straight up for a third round pick? Is he worth that much?
        To the main point – I expected a predictable summer from PG, but Alex Yemelin is already a surprise to me. Without Yemelin I would have guessed Spacek and Weber would be the 5th/6th defencemen and somebody like Picard or Mara would be #7. I see the Yemelin signing as acceptance by PG that the ’10/’11 team was too old and not good enough. I hope I’m right.

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

        • Mike D says:

          No, I wouldn’t trade Pouliot straight up for a 3rd rounder. He’s too young with too much upside to throw away for a 3rd rounder. If we’re going to trade Pouliot then we need to package him up with something or somebody else to either get a better player, better pick, or rid ourselves of a bad contract (Spatch or Gomez).

          I like the Yemelin signing a lot too. Hopefully he lives up to his billing.

          - Honestly yours

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I wouldn’t care if pouliot walked. He does have some potential but its just amazing how he and guys like Darche, Halpern, Pyatt and a couple others who make up the bottom six are missing toughness.

        White and Moen are solid and i know Pouliot dropped the gloves on occassion but the overall lack of size and toughness on our checking lines in annoying.

        Again, the number one topic of discussion on this site is size, tougness and grit…

        And as annoying as it might be to people, its the number one factor preventing the Habs for being a force.

        • Mike D says:

          Pouliot doesn’t lack size at all – He’s 6’3″ and 200lbs. (he could put on more weight, I’ll give you that). He just has terrible balance and doesn’t opt for a tougher style of play even though he could excel at it….especially if he can work out the balance and leg strength thing.

          I don’t think Darche lacks toughness at all. Agreed he isn’t known for throwing big checks or fighting or anythng, but he goes to the front of the net and corners no problem and takes punishment. To me that’s still toughness, and unlike fighting alone, also generates points.

          We could definitely use a bump in the size/grit/toughness categories, but I think a lot of folks on here are trying to overcompensate for our current lack of it and make it out to be a bigger issue than it is.

          - Honestly yours

  4. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Congrats to PK’s sister. That kid has one cool uncle.

  5. 24 Cups says:

    Bob McKenzie states that:
    - Winnipeg will stay in the Northeast for now
    - Rick Dudley just signed a four year extension in January
    - Craig Ramsey has a year left on his deal
    - Andrew Ladd was looking for a long term deal (one year left to UFA) from Atlanta, which means his contract status will be first test for Thomson
    - Jets have cap space to burn, although it doesn’t mean they will do so
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=367461

  6. Hobie Hansen says:

    So pretty much everyone believes Markov, Gorges, Gill and Kostitsyn are probably going to be back in Montreal next season.

    Does anyone believe Gauthier might have a trick up his sleve and could pull off a big trade in order to shake things up on the top six?

    Or is he going to follow the predicatble route and maybe add one new under the radar UFA to the team ?

  7. Hobie Hansen says:

    Quiet in here today…

    Question!

    Do HIO posters believe that Piere Gauthier will take the predictable route and resign guys like Gill and Kostitsyn

    or

    go off the map a little bit and make a big trade or let many of the UFAs or RFAs walk and try and give the team a different look?

  8. SeriousFan09 says:

    Last note before going off to work:

    Potential PF “Sleeper” in the 2011 Draft according to Future Considerations: LW Justin Thomas, 6’2″, 205 pounds. Sault St. Marie, OHL. Not a great skater but he gets to where he’s going, strong shot and he doesn’t mind planting himself right in the blue paint to make things happen. Had some injury setbacks this year, including shoulder surgery. Will play physical including fighting or going for the big hit. Has NHL potential if his injuries are more bad luck than a sign of a fragile body.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  9. G-Man says:

    So, “Hockey Inside/Out” has no Winnipeg thread?
    :)

  10. Ian Cobb says:

    It is about time! Rule changes for next year will make a great difference, in the battle of concussed players. I tried to post this link on here, but they do not seem to want us to post other links on HIO.
    If someone knows how to put this news link up out of Calgary, Go for it.!
    Hockey Canada takes hard stance on head shots.!!!!!

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Unfortunately Ian, until the NHL starts saying headshots are unacceptable, kids will just keep ‘playing on the edge’ for the attention of scouts, take their punishment in junior and then get away with it they go pro. Changes have to come out at the top so maniacs like Cooke are ejected from the NHL and young players see they can’t get away with it when they make the show.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  11. mrhabby says:

    Congrats to winnipeg on returing to the NHL….thats one reason to visit but i can’t think of any other. Lets hope the dollar stays strong for a long time.

  12. HabinBurlington says:

    Congrats to the City of Winnipeg, and especially to all the hockey fans there! Growing up there, nothing was sweeter than the late November game against Montreal. They called it “Tuxedo Night” and all the fans would get dressed up in their finest and watch Royalty come into town. Of course, to me dressing up was wearing my Lafleur jersey.

    Nice to see another team in Canada, and another team gone from Gary’s brilliant sunbelt plan.

    Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

  13. shiram says:

    No articles on it ye on HIO, but its officially official that the Thrashers are now moving to Winnipeg.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=564253

  14. kempie says:

    Bettman is so nauseating.

    • TomNickle says:

      Throwing personal jabs at Jim Balsilie more than a year removed from the Phoenix debacle.

      • Mike D says:

        No doubt, eh? Everytime GB said “quietly” (among other comments) when speaking his praise about the True North group you just knew he was throwing salt at Balsillie.

        It’s a shame that the Commissionner of the best league of this exciting sport has these immature and vindictive character flaws. It’s small wonder that the NHL is such a bush league in so many ways between Bettman, Daly, Campbell, etc. holding high positions.

        - Honestly yours

      • issie74 says:

        Well … yes … it would after all be a bad thing to have a business man … with money …. involved in the NHL.

    • Mike D says:

      I agree that Bettman is a nauseating tool. On the flip-side, if it wasn’t for Bettman, Vinny Le would be a Hab and Pleks, Price, and Subban would be in Tampa Bay.

      That alone gives him points in my books even though it obviously wasn’t his direct objective to help us roster-wise.

      - Honestly yours

      • HardHabits says:

        If he would have known then what we know now that trade would have happened. Don’t praise Bettman for being stupider than BG was.

        • Mike D says:

          Believe me, I have no praise for Bettman. Just reminding some folks that he did us a tremendous service (albeit unintentionally) by preventing that trade.

          - Honestly yours

  15. habs03 says:

    This is going to be our first draft under Ryan Jankowski, kinda excited to see who he drafts, I know he did a good job with the Islanders, anyone know any more info about his drafting?

  16. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think the Habs will be able to tamper with their lineup and hang around the playoff picture for the next several seasons. Unfortunately, and it isn’t necessarily a bad thing, we may have to be patient until 2014/15 when several players come off the books.
    Cammalleri, Gionta and especially Gomez are UFA come the 2014/15 season. Maybe we resign either Cammalleri or Gionta at that time but the new wave of Habs should be coming together by then.
    Plekanec, Subban, Price, Eller, Pacioretty, LeBlanc and Tinordi should hopefully be making up the core of the team at that point.
    After losing a couple big contracts we can hopefully add the missing pieces at that time. Also there should hopefully be a couple more current prospects that have matured into NHL players that are also in the picture.
    Maybe we can maneuver around all the large contracts we currently have and piece something together but the big signing blitz by Gainey a couple summers ago is kind of hampering the club now.
    If only Gomez could be deleted….

    • HardHabits says:

      If the Habs are not a bonafide elite team, meaning top 5 material by the trade deadline in 2015 and they are just another bubble team trying to squeak into the play-offs, then they had better trade Cammy and/or Gionta and anybody else that is named Price or Subban for picks and/or prospects to teams looking to bolster their play-off hopes.

      Enough of this middle of the pack nonsense already.

  17. HardHabits says:

    The Habs should have a few rules.

    1) No more trading picks for players. Wisniewski was a great pick-up and I was in favour of it at the time but if he isn’t signed why bother? Were 3 home play-off games really that worth it? Right now that 2nd pick looks better. What did the Habs get for Tanguay? A quick play-off exit is all.

    2) Enter the draft with multiple picks in round 1 and 2 as many times as possible. That means start the process of trading players when their time is up. Never more should an UFA be lost for nothing. There wont be another centennial for 98 years. No more excuses.

    My concern for the Habs is as it always has been. A team doing everything short term to make the play-offs all the while never making it to the elite in the long term. I am tired of this team spinning its wheels in the mud while other teams rise and fall and rise again around us.

    • habs03 says:

      We’ll instead of signing Tanguay we signed Cammy. Just because we traded a 2nd round for Wiz doesn’t mean we have to resign him, maybe that money (4.5) is spent elsewhere on a need more important than an offensive D-man

      • HardHabits says:

        It’s the lost picks I am talking about. The Habs are thin in the prospect department again and have to rely too much on UFA signings to complete it’s roster. That invariably has them spending too much on too little. Scott Gomez and Jaro Spacek come to mind as players whose contracts are over inflated for what they bring to the table. Thankfully Hamrlik is off the books.

        • TomNickle says:

          Desharnais, Pacioretty, Eller, White, Weber and Nash all got time, most substantial time with the Habs this year HH. Not much sense being spoken in the first part of your post.

          • HardHabits says:

            It goes to show that the NHL team was so lacking in depth that it had to rely heavily on it’s farm team. Now that farm team is depleted.

          • TomNickle says:

            You can look at it that way. I look at it from the opposite end of the spectrum. That Montreal has adequate depth and the evidence is in the amount of prospects who came up this season and performed admirably. I agree the farm was depleted by the call ups. But those players who got calls were core players, of course they’re going to be left scrounging after those guys make the big club. That’s the nature of the beast. You can’t realistically call up four of your AHL teams’ best players and then just start signing guys to replace them mid-season. And if you have a large number of good prospects, overly large that is, on your AHL team they aren’t getting sufficient time.

    • savethepuck says:

      With the injuries to Markov and Gorges, a deal had to be made for a puck moving DMan and someone quarterback the powerplay. The team tried to get by with what they had on their roster and in the farm but it wasn’t working. At that time they were in a legitimate position to gain home ice advantage or possibly first overall. These injuries among others, were also the reason the team had to get Sopel and Mara around the deadline. If our D stayed healthy these moves would not of been made. There probably would not of been any moves except maybe that power forward everyone wants. Tanking is not in my vocabulary and shouldn’t be even thought of when it comes to this organization. If MaxP doesn’t get hurt after the deadline things are also different. If he doesn’t get sidelined for the rest of the season great, if he gets injured before the trade deadline, I’m sure another move would of been made.

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      You might disagree, but it could be argued that the Canadiens traded that second round pick to the Islanders for a spot in the playoffs. If the Habs could’ve made the playoffs without Wisniewski then it was a wasted pick, but I believe playing even one round in the playoffs gives you information about your own players that is well worth a second round pick.
      As for never losing a UFA for nothing, I’d like to know if there are any other teams in the league who think that way, and what their experiece has been.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

  18. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    The guys on sportsnet are saying Winnipeg will be another Edmonton. No free agents are gonna want to sign there and they will be in a constant state of rebuilding with rookies. They’re also saying after about 2-3 years the fans may disappear.

    • TomNickle says:

      Sportsnet also said Plekanec would get $7 million annually on the free agent market and that there was no way he was going to re-sign in Montreal.

      • _Habsoloutly_ says:

        I agree with them that it’s gonna be hard to sign UFA’s. I mean if UFA’s are hesitant to sign in Edmonton are they really gonna want to go to Winnipeg???

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          They will definately have problems signing UFAs!

          • HabFarmer says:

            I’m leaving the analysis of the hard cold facts for another day. I’m just basking right now……. .

            “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

        • TomNickle says:

          They’ll have problems attracting free agents no doubt. Fan interest won’t die after a couple of years though. That team has quite a bit of young talent and a home crowd could do them a World of good. Good GM, good coach, good leadership and a very well balanced team to be honest. They don’t have many holes. Keeping their young players around is their biggest challenge.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        LOL somebody always says something…not all 10,000 journalists agree on everything…

    • G-Man says:

      Sportsnet has the least professional hockey commentators I have ever had the displeasure of listening to. Nick Kypreos? Really?

      Getting back to the rookies comment: All teams should be forever be in transition, with a mix of younger and older players. If Winnipeg does a good job scouting and drafting, they won’t really have to go hunting for over-priced UFAs that do not perform to their salary demands.

  19. HardHabits says:

    It doesn’t matter what the Habs do, it’ll always be too little too late. In 3 years the Florida Panthers and Edmonton Oilers will meet in the Stanley Cup Finals and the Habs will have still finished 11th to 20th and have been ousted from the play-offs in two rounds or less.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      You should write comedy, the Panthers? Dale Tallon didn’t bring the CHI scouting staff with him to FLA and he took longer than 3 years to assemble a Cup team in CHI as well. Oh and he doesn’t have the liberty to spend to the cap either.

      The Oilers still need to assemble a defence and some goaltending which isn’t that easy.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • TomNickle says:

        When Nick Bjugstad, Erik Gudbranson and Jakom Markstrom are in the NHL you won’t be poking fun at Dale Tallon. And if project players with very high upside like McFarland and Petrovic make it, they’ll have one hell of a core.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          There’s that word Tom, IF. If McFarland and Petrovic work out. Markstrom wasn’t exactly a force in the AHL this year (and he struggled for two straight years at the WJC in the Medal round as well) and Bjugstad had 20 points this year in NCAA hockey. Gudbranson has yet to play an NHL game either.

          I’d like to think everyone MTL’s drafted will be a NHLer, but I also know there are no guarantees. Let’s not call FLA a force in the NHL when they’ve done this dance before with high picks and not gotten anywhere.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            If Tallon put word out that Markstrom and Gudbranson were available via trade he would have 29 GM’s on the phone with him pretty quickly. Bjugstad got those 20 points in only 29 games. Not exactly poor numbers for his first year.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Doesn’t mean they’ll be players, it’s still all potential at this point Tom and I am personally not sold on those three players mentioned being on the same level as what Pacioretty, Price and Subban bring to MTL right now in 3 years.

            20 points in 29 games isn’t bad, but it’s not great either and if he’s going to be a standout player in the NHL he should be showing more.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            I just creamed myself when I imagined Gudbranson being available…

          • TomNickle says:

            @Robert. Gudbranson’s junior team had some of the worst goaltending in the OHL this season and quite honestly only lacked a goaltender or you very likely would have seen them in the Memorial Cup Final last weekend. Markstrom was surrounded by a poor supporting cast on their AHL affiliate all season long and that isn’t going to change, though they do have some productive AHL defensemen. You certainly can’t compare those prospects Price, Subban and Pacioretty and they may not even have as much upside. I don’t agree with HH that the Panthers will be in the hunt for the Cup soon but they are about to add the #4 overall pick, likely to be Couturier or Huberdeau and they’re headed in the right direction in my opinion.

          • HardHabits says:

            The Panthers will make the SCF before the Habs do.

          • TomNickle says:

            No they won’t, lol

        • habs03 says:

          True but Tallon didn’t draft those guys.

      • _Habsoloutly_ says:

        Don’t pretend you know what Dale Tallon can and can’t do.

        • TomNickle says:

          Grow up for Pete’s sake.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            the love in here makes me feel all warm inside

            ding ding ding!!!

          • _Habsoloutly_ says:

            Wow, pathetic doesn’t even begin to describe you. “Don’t pretend to knpw what Tallon can and can’t do” is attacking Robert personally huh? you’re just reaching now because you’ve been called out for all to see. I’m not the only one here that thinks you’re a know it all douchebag. And I never once threatened you with any sort of violence. I simply said if you want to call me names, meet me and do it to my face like any man would. But you’re not a man, you’re a child who trolls the internet and cries when people don’t agree with him. You’re truly a pathetic douchebag Nancy boy.

          • HardHabits says:

            TommyKnucklehead and _Habsodouchely_ sitting in a tree….

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            LOL Hard Habits, you’re feeling the love too?

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I’m saying he has less resources than he did when he was working in CHI and still took more time than 3 years to build a team that could contend for and win the Cup. It’s not a ridiculous notion to say he has a harder job with fewer resources and it’s not easy street to build a Cup squad.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • _Habsoloutly_ says:

            Oh I agree that he will probably be rebuilding that team for about 2-3 years. I was just saying nobody really knows what the owners have given him to spend cap wise.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            FLA’s got gate revenue issues and they subsist on revenue-sharing, I can’t think of a team that has financial issues (and an ownership that isn’t terribly motivated) that let’s the GM spend to the cap.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • _Habsoloutly_ says:

            Florida did better at the gates than quite a few other teams in the NHL. Must be a lot of revenue sharing going on. The folks that own the Panthers also own the building and do very well there with events.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Panthers spent 46.7 million on payroll last season, more than 12 million short of the maximum cap and I doubt the owners are going to approve a hike of more than 10 million going into next season.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

    • HabsFan2 says:

      “It doesn’t matter what the Habs do”

      Calm down, Rock. Enjoy the day.

      ———————————————-
      R.I.P. – K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    It would be nice if one of thses two guys could slip to 17th pick or we could trade our 2nd rounder to move up…

    13. RC Mark McNeill – Prince Albert (WHL)
    DOB: Feb. 22/93 | Shoots: R | Height: 6.02 | Weight: 210lbs Midterm Rank: 19 | League Rank: 2nd WHL | Country Rank: 9th Canada

    14. LD Duncan Siemens – Saskatoon (WHL)
    DOB: Sep. 07/93 | Shoots: L | Height: 6.03 | Weight: 200lbs Midterm Rank: 8 | League Rank: 3rd WHL | Country Rank: 10th Canada

    • TomNickle says:

      Siemens is the second highest rated defenseman(#10 CSS), almost unanimously among North American Skaters with only Larsson from Sweeden ahead of both he and Ryan Murphy. It would be shocking to say the least for Siemens to make it to #17. Gormley and Fowler fell, so it is possible, and never say never. But when the Habs draft they draft for what they’ll need in five years, not tomorrow, and while a left handed defenseman with good overall skills will be needed at that time, a left winger might just be a little more important to them.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      MTL doesn’t have a 2nd rounder so that’s academic and I’d rather MTL hold onto it’s 2012 2nd-rounder as 2012 is projected to be an excellent draft class.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  21. SeriousFan09 says:

    Future Considerations released their Draft Guide, in range for the Habs in Round 1 by Ranking:

    Nicklas Jensen and JT Miller, although they’re not crazy about Miller and ranked him at 30th. Although in their mock draft, Mark Scheifele was also in range and he’s my #1 choice ATM.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HardHabits says:

      I doubt he’ll be available at #17 but if he is I like Mika Zibanejad.

      I checked that top 100 list but it’s dated 30 MAY 2011, well before the Memorial Cup. Z Phillips and B Jenner are not 26 and 27 on other lists.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Memorial Cup isn’t always taken as a reason to raise a draft rank by scouts because of the nature of Tournaments, anyone can be a hero in 4-6 games after all. Sometimes it’s reinforcing a player’s position if they’re highly favoured all year, but if it’s a player with an on/off season, it’s favourable but also part of the trend.

        I’d love Zibanejad to fall to MTL at 17th but I don’t see it happening, his name has gotten into the Top 10 a lot lately and that’s an expensive move in the draft. Future Considerations has Phillips and Jenner at 27th and 28th as well. Hockey Prospectus puts Phillips at 24th and Jenner at 32nd. It’s the draft and every scout has a differing opinion my friend.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

      • TomNickle says:

        Zibanejad would be a dream come true for the Habs at 17. Here’s hoping the knocks on Europeans pick up between now and the end of June.

      • Sharks9 says:

        May 30 is after the Memorial Cup ended…. Thats just one projection though, I think they’ll go higher on draft day but you never know!

        25 before 14

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      So where are the Habs picking? Somewhere between 15th and 18th…?

    • gK_HabsFan says:

      Gotta agree with you on Scheifele! There hasn’t been a bad scouting report I have read about him, except for the fact that he needs to add bulk to his frame, but that’s almost for every player at his age.

      Also, I hope McNeil is still around at #17. He’s 2nd on my list. On most reports he bounces around from 13-20th overall.

      -GK-

    • TomNickle says:

      Playing on the development team in the USA seems to be hurting some kids more than helping when it comes draft time. The elite players that jump off the ice at the scouts will never be hurt, but the kids who put up good but not great numbers and don’t dominate are saddled with knocks on them that they are surrounded by elite talent playing against average competition. Not fair, but definitely a reality. The amount of games they play doesn’t help either. The flip side of that coin for the development program is that kids who play goal for those teams often see huge hikes in their rankings due to the limited games played inflating their statistics.

      Jensen makes sense for the Habs because unlike most teams, the Habs aren’t afraid to go to unorthodox markets to draft. Scheifele may be your favourite but two scouts who work in media have sent him away in the top 10. And those guys are either working to make sure somebody else falls into their friends’ laps, or they’re being honest and a lot of teams are high on the kid.

      Three things to remember when projecting what the Habs specifically will do in this draft. They have a strong focus on acquiring leaders, they love acquiring players who have chemistry with current players in the system and the player must have a lot of room for growth potential both physically and mentally. CHL players must be leaders, college kids must have room to fill into a good frame. Meaning that players who are 6’0 and 200 lbs are very risky and thus unlikely to be taken by the Habs with a high pick.

      These are the three biggest criteria for the Habs moving forward and should give you a good idea of where they’re going.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        NTDP isn’t always the ideal place to pick talent I agree, limited games and weaker competition compared to the CHL means you may not be getting the whole picture but if the talent exists, one is duty-bound to make the assessment that they can develop into a top talent and make a recommendation. I’ve seen Scheifele ranked later and earlier, depends on this draft and who’s after what, better guys than Scheifele have taken a tumble on draft day.

        I think MTL would take Scheifele because he’s definitely filling a need in the system (Big centre) he showed good character giving it all he had while Barrie suffered through an embarassing season and he showed up to play at the U18 Tournament.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • TomNickle says:

          I don’t disagree about Scheifele being a Hab if he’s there at 17. But based on a lot of projections I don’t see him falling that far. It would definitely be a win if he’s there, much like Zibanejad. I wouldn’t count on it but it would be nice if it happened. The exciting thing is that barring a David Fischer pick we’re looking at a very good player in the first round.

          And keep in mind that the last time we picked around this spot Leblanc fell from #13 CSS ranking to us at #18. Just a thought. I can see it being Phillips this time around. With Nattinen coming over sometime soon, I would keep my eye on Armia too.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Phillips is generally ranked later than MTL is picking and I’m not a big fan personally. I’d rather some risk taken for a player with bigger upside.

            I’d like a Top 15 player to fall into MTL’s lap and due to the wildcard nature of this draft, who knows it may happen.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            As you know I’m biased because I think it would be wise to move out of the pick to grab a 2nd rounder in addition to a late first. But operating under your well thought theory that somebody will fall. I would look at Sven Baertschi. He doesn’t have ideal size but he can score. He could easily turn into a Cammalleri type.

  22. Clay says:

    Oh – and Boone, I’ve been to Kazakhstan, and it’s much cooler than Hamilton for sure.

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  23. habaddict_andy says:

    I don’t get it. Aren’t Boyd and Dawes contracts effective till July 1st? wouldn’t they be RFA’s?

    Go! Hockey! Go!

  24. scrowe21 says:

    Why no Diaz or Emelin?

  25. Clay says:

    It’s (almost) official…Winnipeg is back in the show.
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2011/05/31/sp-nhl-winnipeg.html
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=367433

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  26. Mike D says:

    That kinda sucks about losing Boyd and Dawes. Even if the team didn’t have longterm plans for them, losing them now removes any possibility of them being packaged in a trade to help the team in other ways (ie getting Spacek and his cap hit off our roster for next year).

    - Honestly yours

  27. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hamilton goes into next season missing 2/3 of their top line with the signing of Dustin Boyd and Nigel Dawes to the KHL. Aaron Palushaj, Ryan Russell and JT Wyman remain the only ‘Dogs who have scored 15 goals or more in a season. With just Louis Leblanc as a notable prospect (and coming off shoulder surgery) to join the team next year (2nd-tier prospects Alain Berger, Phillippe Lefebvre are in line for a spot but not guaranteed, they may see the ECHL) Hamilton may need some help from the AHL free agent group or they’ve little hope of repeating for a 3rd consecutive Division Title.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Hey Serious, off topic but I saw on the last thread that you wrote Joonas Nattinen was signed. Does that mean he’ll be in in Hamilton next year?

    • 24 Cups says:

      Robert – Dawes was never going to be a Hab and it appears that Boyd and his agent must have come to the same conclusion in terms of Boyd’s future. I imagine life won’t be easy in Russia, but marginal players have to follow the coin. Russel is too small but Palushaj might be able to make it depending on what position White plays. AK46, Gionta and Darche seem to be locks for the first three RW spots. White has to clear waivers but Palushaj doesn’t so….

      I hear you on the need to re-stock Hamilton but it also appears the Habs will have to go shopping for two or three UFA forwards, depending on the Pouliot situation. I see Pyatt as the perfect spare part. He comes cheap, won’t complain about being in the pressbox, can fill in on the 4th line during an emergency and won’t be a huge loss if he gets claimed on waivers during the year. This team doesn’t move forward until Pyatt stops taking a regular shift and Moen plays exclusively on the 4th line.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Agree it’s not a giant loss, I was just thinking of HAM and it would be a lot easier on a newcomer like Louis Leblanc if there was an experienced top line around that meant less responsibilities for him to try and push the team forward. Palushaj and Engqvist are the two ‘Dogs I have as potential NHL forwards ATM, Palushaj needs strength training while Engqvist needs to do some work on his skating this offseason.

        For MTL there will be some shuffling but I agree Pyatt needs to be replaced really, preferably by Palushaj at some point this season. Hopefully Engqvist coming up can also make him superfluous, I like the guy but nature played a joke on him with that ridiculous speed but hands of stone.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Mike D says:

          Hey Robert, wouldn’t Engqvist be the logical replacement for Pyatt as opposed to Palushaj? It sounds like AP may be more NHL ready than AE, but in terms of role, AE seems to be the better choice.

          - Honestly yours

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            In terms of role yes, but in terms of development, Palushaj is closer to making the jump than Engqvist and pushing Pyatt off the roster (but if Pouliot goes bye-bye, chances are they could both make it in and be 3rd, 4th line resepectively).

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • Clay says:

        Kazakhstan is not in Russia, Steve…and it’s not as bad as you seem to think. Perhaps you have too much faith in Borat’s portrayal. Their life will be very good there. And the women…wow.

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      It is too bad about Boyd and Dawes. Goes to show in the cap world that bottom 6 players seem to bounce around more now than ever. I thought we could have used dawes on the bottom 6. He looked great for the dogs in the playoffs.

      • Mike D says:

        Agreed that Dawes did well in Hamilton. Problem is he’s already 26 and at that age you should have already made the big show if it was in the cards for you (not always the case, but typically). Also, at only 5’9″ he wasn’t addressing our size issue and I think I read he was also a fairly slow skater which doesn’t really work for the Habs.

        As I mentioned above, I think the biggest loss with a guy like Dawes is that he could have maybe been used as a piece in a package trade to help the team in other ways. Same goes for Boyd.

        - Honestly yours

  28. mike3131 says:

    Congrats PK!

    In other news, we apparently lost Dustin Boyd and Nigel Dawes to the KHL.
    And they’re closing in on the deal that would send the Atlanta Thrashers to the Peg.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Just caught up to that on my Twitter feed, @Dchesnokov reports it’s official on the Barys Astana team website. HAM has lost 3 of their best scorers over the last two seasons to the KHL now (Brock Trotter last year). HAM will likely have to tap the AHL free agent group to recoup strength.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HardHabits says:

        Boyd and Dawes are better that Pyatt and Moen.

        • Mike D says:

          Gotta disagree with you there. Out of curiousity, what exactly are Boyd and Dawes “better” at compared to Pyatt and Moen? I know you like to preach size and grit so I find your comment puzzling. I suppose you could *speculate* they are better at scoring, but Pyatt and Moen are far better defensively and on the PK.

          - Honestly yours

          • HardHabits says:

            Would Pyatt and Moen make part of a top line on any AHL team? Pyatt and Moen are wastes of space if Plex gets so much PK time.

          • Mike D says:

            @ HH :

            To answer your question even though I think it’s a bad one, Pyatt might. He put up 35 pts. in 41 games in his last stint in the AHL and I would think that almost a PPG would get him top line minutes. Moen’s game doesn’t really lend itself to scoring but after so many years in the NHL, it isn’t unreasonable to assume he couldn’t score against significantly weaker competition and goaltending.

            Scoring ability isn’t the only important skill for a player to have, even for forwards. Good defensive play is also an important skill and Pyatt and Moen do it very well in the big league. Pleks has elite defensive/PK abilities for a top 6 forward and while his presence means we don’t necessarily need as many defensive forwards, it would be nice if he was afforded the ability to spend less time on the PK in the greater overall interests to the team. In addition to being our top centre, he also plays 1st unit PP and PK which means he’s spending a lot of time on the ice, and a good chunk of that in a defensive role which might wear him down as the season goes on and take away from his abilities to produce offense.

            I’m not saying Pyatt and Moen are totally crucial to the team’s success or anything, but a team needs about 5-6 forwards who they can rely on for defensive matchups and PK time. Other than Pyatt and Moen, the only other non-top6 forward who played the PK frequently was Halpern. The rest were also top 6 guys (Gomez, Gio, and even Cammy to an extent) who we rely on for offense.

            - Honestly yours

        • Neutral says:

          Boyd and Dawes is better than pyatt and moen however moen is bigger one of them could replace pyatt if you’re looking for point production other than that you wouldn’t gain anything.

  29. mike3131 says:

    Congrats PK!

    In other news, we apparently lost Dustin Boyd and Nigel Dawes to the KHL.

  30. Nas26Kos74 says:

    Re (L)egacy (A)ndre (X)avier out of it.

  31. 24 Cups says:

    True North co-owner, David Thomson, boarded a flight to Winnipeg from Toronto early Tuesday morning and the sports and entertainment group is expected to issue a statement later in the day on the sale of the Thrashers.

    Don’t be surprised if Bettman leaves Winnipeg in the NE division for the first year. There are a lot of pros and cons to this move as it’s far from a slam dunk long term. The biggest plus has to be that Thomson has the deepest pockets in Canada.

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/999798–cox-winnipeg-heading-into-nhl-s-brave-new-world

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/999523–thrashers-to-jet-to-winnipeg-on-tuesday

    • G-Man says:

      Scuttlebutt is Detroit to the East and Winnipeg takes the spot vacated from them.

      • Stuck_in_To. says:

        I was told that is far from being in the pocket with Nash. and Col. both preferred by the NHL to make that move.

        • G-Man says:

          What I hears is that Wings owner Ilitch asked for the switch at the next opportunity. This request was made a few seasons ago.

        • 24 Cups says:

          This is a bit of a tight squeeze for Bettman. In a perfect world, Phoenix goes to Winnipeg and Atlanta goes to Quebec City or Southern Ontario. Re-alignment would then be easy. Not gonna happen.

          Rumour has it that Detroit has been promised first right of returning to the East. Columbus also wants to come east. Logically, it makes sense that Nashville moves but why disrupt a franchise that has slowly built itself up with some natural rivalries.

          Having to fly east for most of their games (divisional & conference) would put Winnipeg behind the eight ball right from the start.

  32. punkster says:

    Very funny ;)

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  33. 24 Cups says:

    And the Habs select, Nicklas Jensen (scoring ability) or JT Miller (work ethic & sandpaper). I’m assuming that Mark McNeil will be gone by the 17th spot.

    What about a Dman? I’m beginning to wonder if Jim Rutherford is right. Unless you’re grabbing a high level pick, maybe it’s better to let another team develop young defenseman and then grab them later via trades and UFA signings. Then of course, there’s PK Subban, the uncle of Legacy.

  34. 24 Cups says:

    What a stupid name for a kid. Why do parents keep doing these ego trips in this day and age? Poor Legacy is going to take a fair bit of ribbing once he hits the school system.

    • G-Man says:

      Reminds me very much of the Ruttles road manager, Leggy Mountbattten.
      Mind you, lots of people name their children after Suburus.

    • twocents says:

      Steve, that’s a bit harsh and I’d say misplaced given this is a birth announcement.

      School yards are now filled with “odd” names and the type of ribbing you’re describing is usually triggered by other things than an uncommon name. The days of Billy, Bobby, Sue, and Jill are long gone. Not to mention you are assuming the child will go by Legacy and not Andre or Xavier.

      Congratulations to all the Subbans.

      Oh, and while I am at it, I noticed Chuck had happy news recently too.

      Congratulations! to you and your wife, Chuck.

    • Mike Boone says:

      Whoah, Steve! Easy on the Grumpy Old Fart pills, big fella.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • 24 Cups says:

        Hey, it’s my first brain cramp on HI/O in three years:-)

        I guess I have some issues when it comes to naming children, especially seeing that I tend to be a traditionalist. I can’t remember the last time that I heard of a child being named Steven. It’s an oversight that society will regret one day!

        The name’s meaning is “wreath, crown, honour, reward”, literally “that which surrounds or encompasses”. In other words, “king of all hockey knowledge”:-)

        Rumour has it that Gladys Presley was going to call her son, Steven, but then opted at the last minute for Elvis. The rest, as they say, is history.


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