Size isn’t a problem with Habs, Plekanec says

Do the Canadiens need to get bigger?

That’s a question Tomas Plekanec has heard many times while a member of the Canadiens.

“Every year? For the last 10 years?” he replied with a grin Saturday when asked how often he has heard that question while clearing out his locker in Brossard.

“I think our team identity is quickness and speed,” Plekanec continued. “When we play that game, we are successful. I don’t think it has anything to do with size. We have guys with size, who play like it. …

“I think somebody once said we were missing size and all of a sudden everybody started to think, ‘That’s it.’ I don’t think so. My opinion is we’re a good, quick team.

“Everyone says how tough Boston is, but we were down by two goals in the third period in their building this season and we came back. They’re tough and we’re not supposed to be. But we showed a lot of character.”

Plekanec said it was timing more than talent that was the Canadiens’ playoff undoing.

“What we missed was having the most players possible at their best at the right time,” he said. “To have your goalie being hot, your defence playing tight and your forwards scoring a lot of goals.

“You don’t need to score a lot of goals, but you need to score at the right time,” he told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs. “It seems like we didn’t have that. … We’ve had injuries the last couple years (so) it’s easy to kind of pinpoint that we need size and toughness. But I think we have that.

“Maybe we actually need more scoring.”

Speaking of scoring, Plekanec assisted on all three first-period goals Tuesday as the Czech Republic beat Norway 7-0 at the World Hockey Championship in Stockholm. The victory put the Czechs in the quarterfinals against Switzerland on Thursday and eliminated Norway. Plekanec was playing his first game of the tournament after the Canadiens were eliminated.

P.K. Subban will make his debut with Team Canada in Thursday’s quarterfinal game against Sweden.

 (Photo by Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)

Plekanec says size not a problem, by Dave Stubbs

Bergevin wants big, fast, young team, by Pat Hickey

Bergevin a finalist for top NHL GM, by Pat Hickey

Quatable: Bergevin holds court,

Bergevin’s greatest moves,

Subban added to Team Canada roster

Habs could use another Sergio Momesso, by Stu Cowan

Round 2 playoff schedule,

Four Original Six teams still in playoffs,

Leafs’ post-mortem will wait until pain subsides,

Aislin weighs in on Leafs loss with cartoon

Boogaard lawsuit shows culture of hockey goons,


  1. Sportfan says:

    Newest Blog is up its got a bit of hockey in it related to the Leafs and Bruins.

    Thank you Bruins for eliminating the Leafs!

  2. Mavid says:

    When will the finally fix this app

  3. Morenz7 says:

    Is it too much to ask for the Habs to be good, quick AND big? Like other teams currently in the playoffs?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Important 3 words. Don’t want to be sucky, slow and big.

    • Sportfan says:

      I think that’s the idea for MB with a few small guys but you have to get to big quick guys at a decent deal and not over pay.

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      • Morenz7 says:

        “They don’t grow on trees.” Agreed.

        But by the same token, do you sign one of your three tiny forwards—the slowest, with the worst defensive record—to a four-year contract extension? Maybe if you plan to trade him, but I don’t get the sense that’s the plan with DD.

        IMO, Gallagher is the only small forward who should be part of their long-term plans. Gionta’s contract falls away after next year and I think they should be looking to trade DD, who at his best will be a 50-point man, when a reasonable replacement emerges. Maybe that replacement is Galchenyuk. Maybe it’s someone on the open market. Who knows.

        They should also be looking to sub one of their smaller defencemen, but they should be able to do that from within. With luck, Beaulieu will continue his development, while Tinordi is pretty much ready and I like what I’ve seen of Pateryn in Hamilton (thick and solid, like Emelin, with a good hockey IQ).

        So who goes? Markov is worth keeping for the last year on his deal, in a limited role; same for Bouillon, who’s been extended anyway, so we’re stuck with him. Gorges is probably here to stay because of his contract. That leaves Diaz, who could conceivably fetch a nice return.

        As you can see, this is no overnight proposition. I assume MB’s looking ahead to the ’14-15 season, which is probably wise. But if that’s the case he really must halt the inflow and retention of undersized players.

  4. arcosenate says:

    This guy could fall to the second round, seems to fit the bill:

  5. HabinBurlington says:

    Conspiracy Theories in the NHL.

    I have no doubts that the NHL has bias and plays favourites. There is an old boys club of “good ol’ Canadian boys” who fit right into Colon Campbell’s pinwheel of life and they get along.

    I don’t think it is written in stone who receives these benefits, but rather it is a constant moving bias.

    As it pertains to Montreal, most of these good ol’ boys were involved in the game during some of Montreals greatest haydays, the 70’s. I can’t help but think this jealousy/hatred of the Habs has a bit of a carryover.

    I can’t help but think that the good ol boy club, doesn’t enjoy it just a bit when they stick a fork in Montreal. I don’t say this in such a way that every controversial call is premeditated, nor do I believe the actual league is involved in carrying this out. But as long as the same cronies carry weight in the league office, I don’t think they mind it when the Habs happen to get the short end of the stick.

    Thankfully, we continue to not have tremendous playoff success, and hopefully the jealousy or resentment of the Habs and their past success is wearing off somewhat for when the league hires its next set of good ol Canadian boys.

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    Lafleurguy brings up a name whom could be an interesting reclamation project. David Booth, 6’1″, 215lb Left winger. 27 years old and victim of some concussions and now what appears to be a problem contract.

    A big winger with skill, who has had some hard luck in his career. It is widely believed that the Canucks may use one of their amnesty buyouts on this fellow. Perhaps a change of scenery could be good for this player.

    If, and it is a big IF, they Canucks were to buyout his contract, I wonder if offering him a 1 year deal in the million dollar range could fetch him, and would it be a good risk/reward type move? If bought out he would have around 8million stuffed in his front pocket and perhaps a 1 year deal would be just the right motivation for him to show what he may be capable of.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I’ve always liked his game Gerald and he might fit well with DD in the third line. Worth a shot, eh?

    • Sportfan says:

      Booth would be a cool addition to the team but the injury prone part sucks

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    • Steeltown Hab says:

      If he’s actually bought out which I doubt Van will do, I’d happy to offer 2.75 per.

      Van will likely try to let him play himself into the tradeable category before giving up on him now.


      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Kooch7800 says:

      for 1 mill as a depth signing I would do it but nothing more. His best season was 60 points and since his highest totals have been 40 points with tons of games missed.

      We may be better off to give a kid a shot at a roster spot

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        With Gallagher Galchenyuk in, we really don’t have much in terms of guys ready to step in. Especially LW, people should hold back a bit on expectations of Kristo making this team out of camp and being an impact guy.


        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I agree but with Booth he is hurt so much and he really doesn’t generate that much offense I am not sure he is worth the roster spot for anything more than a million.

          A development of a prospect might be good. Hopefully they will add a top 6 forward this offseason. We have enough bottom 6 guys

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  7. Barts says:

    Oh Tomas, how I beg to differ…

  8. Lafleurguy says:

    The pot needs stirring. Jonathan Quick was taken in the same draft year as Carey, only difference one of them was chosen with a third round pick.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Best goalies drafted in 2005, in order

      1. Quick
      2. Rask
      3. Price

      But goalies are like that.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Wow, the Leafs made a great pick in choosing Rask!

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        This year that is correct, last year Quick was number one also.

        That order can change though. But for the present, you are most likely correct.

        I do wonder how good Rask will look when Chara is gone.

        P.S. Your post would have been much more helpful if you had posted it prior to the draft of 05.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          How could I have done that?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Not my issue how, but just pointing out that hindsight is much easier than foresight. 🙂

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Just choppin’ rabbits here (same as splitting hares), but HIO was a non-controversial site in 2005 (as in non-existent). It just dawned on me that Gainey was handicapped by not getting the great advice in those days that Bergevin does now from HIO.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Gally365 says:

            Looks like we loss out

          • Chris says:

            Ah, we were giving that advice freely on Usenet groups to Bob Gainey, Andre Savard, Rejean Houle and Serge Savard long before HI/O came out.

            It’s to their great shame that they never listened to me. Why Rejean Houle refused my numerous pleas to go out and sign Claude Lapointe is beyond me.

            Plus ça change…

          • Luke says:

            I circled Chara in my draft edition of the Hockey News. If they had asked, I would have gladly mailed it to them.

      • The Jackal says:

        Oh yeah, we can be so sure about that, that’s how the ranking of that draft will be forever.

        Not so fast son.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • ari says:

      who was our 3rd pick that year? we could have a team stacked with miku koivu, Jeff carter, kopitar, lucic, ……..instead we got komisarek, kostitsyn, price, Ben maxwell,….

    • Habfan10912 says:

      To quote MB the other day, “Hindsight is 20/20”. In this case I hope that changes in the next several years. Quick is a good one for sure.

  9. commandant says:

    I think its clear that Emelin is unlikely to be ready to start the season.

    I think its also very likely that Tinordi and Beaulieu aren’t far away from being NHL ready, but are not likely to step into the top 4 next year. Behind them there are a lot of defence prospects with varying degrees of potential. Sure not all will make it, but the numbers game suggests they can’t all bust.

    So with that in mind, we need a short term solution to our defence for the start of next season. Physical, Defensive D, who can play some minutes. However we also don’t want to get stuck with a long term contract here. So what is there available as a stop gap?

    Rob Scuderi, Age 34, over 21 minutes per game on the kings
    Andrew Ference 34, just under 20 on the Bruins
    Robyn Regher, 33, just under 20 on the Sabres/Kings
    Tony Lydman, 35, 19 minutes on the Ducks
    Michael Rozsival, 34, 18 minutes on the Hawks,

    Pickings are slim and no one really stands out as a guy who is gonna accept a short term contract.

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    • Lafleurguy says:

      Like the parameter highlighted, that being a “20 minute” defenceman. Money is the only thing that sways a player to leave a champion. Habs are up against the cap limit. For comparison, Leafs have more cap space.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Luke says:

      I think you hit the nail on the head… no one is going to accept a short contract.

      The Habs are (probably) looking for some 2 year guys… Those guys are looking 3-4 as it is most likely their last contract.

      With the cap going down, we may see some established RFAs allowed to walk or available for picks/prospects, but at lower value than in years past. That may be the place to look.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It would take an awful lot for me to accept Andrew Ference in a Habs jersey. I would love to see someone pound that guy in any game he plays.

      “It’s frightening to contemplate how this undersized team would fare in a seven-game series against St. Louis, L.A. or Chicago..”

      –Mike Boone

  10. arcosenate says:

    Not a great free agent crop, especially amongst D men, but here are a few large people who will be available:

    1. Stalberg
    2. Bickell
    3. Clarkson
    4. Jagr (Finally pair with Pleks?)
    5. Horton
    6. Clowe
    7. Gomez
    8. Penner

    LOL, number 7 will definitely be available, he’s got no size, speed or shot but he’s great in the room I hear.

  11. Lafleurguy says:

    Chris is nailing it today. Great info, and seriously, for a moment he had me believing Igor Larionov started posting on HIO.

    Some oversights below: Detroit doesn’t tank and has been in the playoffs 22 consecutive seasons. Boston lucked into a Cup, found a late-bloomin’, wack-job goalie who was superb, best UFA signing in NHL history (cost them nothing), and two superb second rounders in Patrice and Milan. (We’re halfway there with superb second rounder P.K.)

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Chris says:

      Larionov and Koivu are my only personalized jerseys. So I must declare that I have a pretty heavy bias. 😉

      • Lafleurguy says:

        My favorite Russian born players are Valeri Kharlamov, Pavel Bure, Sergei Makarov, and Helmut Balderis.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Call me a homer, but mine is Markov. And how could you leave out the big Kruton! 😉

        • Chris says:

          Balderis was great…but he would probably object to being referred to as Russian! Latvians are pretty particular about that.

          Great hockey culture in Latvia. Those fans LOVE the World Championships.

          My favourite Russians are/were Larionov, Datsyuk and Markov. I have to admit that I have an obscene fondness, bordering on man-crush, for Alexander Ovechkin. 🙂

          • Habfan10912 says:

            I never liked any of the Russians. Their names are too hard for me to spell. 🙂

  12. HabFanSince72 says:

    Regarding the Savard case and Cooke’s non-suspension: that was possibly the result of bias. Not a pro-Bruins bias from Colin Campbell but an anti-Savard bias.

    Campbell’s emails dissing Savard, which ought to have been cause for dismissal by the league (if it were a serious organization), show that he couldn’t have arbitrated that case fairly.

    • commandant says:

      Gregory Campbell was also still a Florida Panther at the time.

      No reason to be pro-Bruins at that point.

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      • Luke says:

        So Floridas was benefitting from the Pro-Campbell bias?

        Oh, these conspiracy theories are so difficult to follow…

        • Lafleurguy says:

          The first of a long line of devastating hits in the post-2004 lockout era may have been Matt Cooke on David Booth. Otherwise, the Panthers sit in the backwaters of the NHL landscape.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

        • commandant says:

          The emails from Colin Campbell were complaining to referees about penalties given to Florida, and specifically his son, at times. This from the guy who is the refs’ boss (directly at the time, the head of officiating reported to Colin Campbell).

          In the email, Campbell complains to Steven Walkom (head of officiating at the time) that the referee (who was later fired, and launched a wrongful dismissal suit against the NHL) called a late game penalty on Gregory Campbell for highsticking Marc Savard.

          There is also a second email where the same ref is criticized for a late game tripping penalty given to Greg Campbell AGAIN.

          This is the league we have folks.

          The guy in charge of the league discipline, and operations, was chastising the head of officiating (who is his direct junior) for penalties given to his SON. And the ref who called the two penalties, is fired for poor performance reports.

          These emails are all part of Dean Warren’s case against the league.

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    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      “(if it were a serious organization)”

      Well put.
      Although, I suppose it IS a serious organisation regarding profit, just not regarding any other of the many connected facets of its existence, to do with sport and the role of sport in society, its impact on children, etc, and least of all player safety.
      Are Campbell’s Savard emails accessible anywhere online?
      Mike (suddenly an ardent Rangers fan!)

  13. derfab says:

    Stemming from the overall playoff referee-shuffle to let ’em play, the main problem with officiating is the tolerance for cheap shot specialists and agitators, who should be tossed for misconduct much earlier. For example, the Pens-Sens series would be better and quicker without Neil and Cooke. The league tolerates these guys and the refs need to grow some.

  14. rhino514 says:

    If it´s starting to look like january or maybe much more for Emelin, I do think it changes off season priorities a bit. The thing is, are there any good, big defensemen out there who are available and don´t want term? Probably not
    I think this increases the chances of a trade involving Diaz. I hope they would get something good back, as he´s good.

  15. HabFanSince72 says:

    The three best teams left in it are the Pens, Hawks and Kings.

    All three of those teams were built through tanking, and not just for one or two years. All three were utterly hopeless for tat least 5 consecutive years, and got to draft well because of it.

    So we can have all kinds of intricate debates about size, speed, free agents, but with a salary cap and restricted free agency the only way to win is to lose, repeatedly.

    • Luke says:

      If your can’t miss draft picks end up Kane and Toews and not Stefan and Legwand…

      It’s draft, trade and supplement in Free Agency.
      There is no single method to building a winner.

      I’m sure someone can point to the perrenial losers that selected superstars and never amounted to much.

      Kovalchuk, Heatley and the Thrashers for one…

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Simple point of logic here:

        The proposed statement “you can’t win without tanking (with a few exceptions)” isn’t falsified by the observation that some teams tanked and didn’t win.

        • Luke says:

          But your propsed statement wasn’t “with a few exceptions” it was: “the only way to win is to lose, repeatedly.”

          All I’m saying is that there isn’t a definitive method to building a team.
          You could also look at the Kings and say trading for Richards/Carter (& Jack Johnson, too) were key building blocks or signing free agents like Williams and Stoll…
          Signing Hossa for the Hawks…
          I suppose I could point to the Red Wings and say the definitive method is to draft depth players in the 1st round and take longshots in the later rounds…

          I dunno… to build a team with perpetual success you need to draft well, trade well, sign free agents astutely and manage your roster smartly.

        • Gerry H says:

          But the proposition is falsified by the observation that several teams – the Bruins, Wings and Ducks come to mind – won it all without prolonged stays in the basement.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The habs found a gem in Subban in the 2nd round, Price was a 5th overall pick and and Galchenyuk a 3rd. The Habs also found Gallagher in the later rounds who is a beauty.

      The Habs may not have tanked in consecutive years but they’re on the right track.

      If they can trim a few players from the roster, add some size to surround what we’ve currently got, I think they’ll be just fine and will compete for a cup in a couple seasons.

      “It’s frightening to contemplate how this undersized team would fare in a seven-game series against St. Louis, L.A. or Chicago..”

      –Mike Boone

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I think we are very far behind the Hawks, Kings and Pens.

        By the time they reach their inevitable decline a new generation of tankmeisters will have taken over. Oilers, Isles, Panthers, whoever.

    • Cal says:

      Ask the Oilers that.

      • Chris says:

        Give them another year or so and I think people will change their mind on the success of the Oilers. Their defence prospects are finally catching up with their forward prospects. The Oilers are going to be stupidly good.

        • Cal says:

          I’m not buying it. The team has been crap for years and will remain that way. The only way they improve is by getting some kind of youth/veteran balance on D and up front.
          Besides, all their kids are developing loser habits. Ever see any of their young guns back check?

          • Chris says:

            Kings record for Kopitar’s first few years in the league:


            Oilers record for Hall’s first three years in the league:


            The two teams are actually pretty similar. Unless you are Crosby, Ovechkin or Malkin, it takes a few years for that talent to come to the fore. Hall is just now becoming the star that he was envisioned to be.

            You are right that they need more balance. But there was little point the past couple of years because the young guys weren’t there yet. They are getting there now.

            With Schultz, Smid, and Petry, the Oilers have three nice building blocks on defence. Nick Schultz and Ryan Whitney give them some veteran leadership, and they’ve got lots of pressure from below now with their defence prospects.

            Up front, they need to round out the third and fourth lines. At least one of their high picks will probably be available via trade, but that is fine. That should allow them to add the depth and defensive game that they need.

            The Oilers are in good shape because the kind of guys they need to add are cheap. Raffi Torres, Bryan Bickell, and Tyler Bozak are all guys that could fit in pretty well with the Oilers and could be had relatively cheaply.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          They still have Kevin Lowe in charge don’t they?

    • The Jackal says:

      Thanks for helping my study for the LSAT by providing an example of an argument with flawed reasoning 😀 Now all I need is the 5 answer choices.

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  16. Gally365 says:

    It don’t hurt to have 4-good tough veterans on the team. 3-up front that can put up points on the 1st three lines. 3- of the toughest SOB in the league on the 4th line. 1- tough defenseman to teach the young defence how it’s done. The rest will be made up of young Guys like the two Gally’s. Than we’d have a good rebuilding team.

    Who knows. A cup sooner than later.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The three tough SOBs on the 4th line better be able to play in today’s NHL. You can get away with one goon during the regular season and substitute for him in the playoffs, which I totally support, but the more guys on that 4th line that can play 10mins a game, the better.

      “It’s frightening to contemplate how this undersized team would fare in a seven-game series against St. Louis, L.A. or Chicago..”

      –Mike Boone

  17. Steeltown Hab says:

    Ideal draft scenario

    #1 – Best Forward Available
    #2, 2, 2 – 2 Power Forwards, 1 Pure Goal scorer
    #3, 3, Goalie and a Dman

    4 – 7 – All value picks a la Hudon,


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  18. Psycho29 says:

    Go Pens….Please finish off the Sens in 4!

    McLean felt that for the Penguins 14 and 71 had a great game last night, even though 87 had no points. He also said that 92 was solid in nets.

    He has no update on his own 62 (“see I don’t even know my own players’ names”) but he would be assessed Wednesday.

    • Marc10 says:

      Here’s what Garrioch is writing these days in Ottawa:

      “While the Senators owned the Montreal Canadiens in Round 1, they found out the Penguins are going to offer a whole different challenge and if they don’t get their act together quickly the stay in the post-season won’t be as long as they like.”

      How quickly they forget they barely got by an AHL team… and they needed all the help they could get from the officials when it mattered.
      They’re going to get ripped to shreds by the Pens.

      • Gally365 says:

        Ottawa beat the Habs by injuring them other wise the Habs would have takem them out in 5 but they won’t do it to Pittsburgh.

        We’ll see if Anderson is human against those Guys.

      • The Juice says:

        Sens were lucky to get by the Habs. They will need twice as much luck to get by the Pens. Odds are they won’t even get half as much.

        Pens in 5.


        “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

  19. Small_Town_Boy says:

    Something that burns my Biscuits …

    You can get a rink side ticket for a playoff game for Pens vs Sens in Pittsburg for $225. here in Montreal or T.O. that same ticket would be well over a grand.

    WTF gives?

    Dat’s wha me tinks

    • Habfan10912 says:

      5 Teams support the rest of the league. One of those teams continues to get the shaft year after year. Go figure, eh?

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      • Chris says:

        Montreal fans are too thin-skinned.

        Vancouver (the mugging of the Sedins, Raymond having his back broken) has as much cause to whine as Montreal. Detroit (one of the worst travel schedules in the league) has probably more cause for concern than Montreal.

        MSG has had numerous intrusions from the NHL, leading to a long and at times nasty battle between the two entities.

        Every team in the NHL has cause for concern when it comes to officials and the NHL administration. What we attribute to league bias is probably much more easily explained by sheer incompetence.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Call me and my fellow Hab fans thin skinned if you like. I stand by my comment.

          • When ex NHL players say the Montreal gets the shaft when it comes to officiating I tend to agree with them 😆

            They actually know a little more than us.

            It will never change.

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          • Chris says:

            Every fan that I know, regardless of the team they cheer for, can reel off a compelling argument for why THEIR team is shafted routinely.

            Every single one of them. This includes Habs fans, Canucks fans, Leafs fans, Bruins fans, Red Wings fans, Senators fans etc.

            If every single fan base thinks they are being uniquely targeted by the NHL, isn’t it just a little bit indicative that perhaps their isn’t some grand plan at play, but instead just a uniform incompetence from the head office?

            The NHL has NOTHING to gain by systematic bias. If caught, the legal repercussions to the league’s executives and the league as a whole would be the equivalent of a nuclear winter. What is the potential gain that can justify that kind of risk?

            As others have pointed out in the past, I simply can’t comprehend why anybody would cheer for a team that they legitimately believe has the deck stacked against them. Life’s too short and there are too many other ways to spend our time than to cheer for a sports team that we know is doomed.

            I get as frustrated as anybody when I watch the games. You see some of this crap and you think that there’s got to be some sort of bias.

            But look at the game-winning goal for the Dallas Stars vs. the Buffalo Sabres back in the 1990’s. Back then, it was cut and dry. If ANY part of your body is in the blue paint, no goal. Yet there is Brett Hull’s skate, clear as day in the blue paint, and they allow the game-winning goal.

            Was the NHL clearly biased against the Buffalo Sabres? No. They were just incompetent.

        • ebk says:

          Good post. but It’s always interesting to see what the tin foil brigade will come up with though.

        • Marc10 says:

          Yeah. I’m with you Chris. That whole Chara not getting suspended thing would have happened to any other team. That was incompetence, not bias…

          Conveniently the Bruins just happened to win the cup that year. Colin Campbell, you know the guy whose son plays for the Bruins (he of the email trail slagging off on players he doesn’t like), conveniently stepped down from his position as league disciplinarian to share the cup winning moment with his son… on the ice…

          No bias there. Just incompetence… Of course. And if you believe that’s above board, you might want to run for mayor of Montreal. Don’t mind the guy with the safe next door… 😉

          • Chris says:

            Oh, you mean the way that the league was biased in the favour of the Bruins when Matt Cooke received no suspension whatsoever when Marc Savard’s career was ended by a blind-side hit to the head?

            Like Pacioretty, Savard’s injury led to rule changes. But the offending player was never punished.

            Explain that one away, and I’ll agree with you that the league was biased in favour of the Bruins on the Pacioretty hit.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think it is a combination of what Habfan10912 says, plus you have to remember the cost of operating an NHL team in Montreal is much much greater than virtually every other U.S. based team in the league, nevermind also more costly than other Cdn. teams.

      The taxation structure that the Habs pay for their building is crazy high. The Habs also as a rich team, have probably more staff, more everything which costs more.

      And then there is also that economic rule called supply and demand. And as long as the demand is there for the tickets, they can charge crazy prices.

      It is a shame for average Habs fans like most of us, thankfully the home entertainment quality of TV’s, surround sound etc… has made the experience of watching at home, very good.

      Now we just have to work on quality of broadcasters!

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Supply and demand.

  20. Habs_Norway says:

    Saku Koivu, back to Montréal ?
    Im reading that the Ducks want him for another year, but he isnt sure.
    Thumbs up or down?

    Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • HabinBurlington says:

      In watching the CBC during the first round of playoffs, they did a special on Saku and his life in Anaheim. Seems to me he is very happy to be in Anaheim, his family is very comfortable and he is enjoying life on the rink and away from it.

      I don’t see a scenario where he would choose to come back to Montreal. Also, with no disrespect intended to Saku, is that the kind of player which MB should presently be adding to our roster to help create balance?

      Perhaps a feelgood story if he returns, but not sure feelgood helps this current squad in the playoffs.

      • Habs_Norway says:

        Allright 🙂 Yes who doesnt like a bit fun in the sun, after all, he is a finn. They are not blessed with warm weather and bikinis.

        “Perhaps a feelgood story if he returns, but not sure feelgood helps this current squad in the playoffs.”

        You are right. Im just a sucker for happy endings, if you could call it that.

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • Chris says:

      No chance. He’s not coming back to a hockey-mad market. If he wants that kind of intrusion at this point in his career, he could go back to Finland to finish out his his career for a couple of years.

      If Koivu moves, I’d look for him to try to jump to a Stanley Cup contender. I just can’t see it happening.

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      NO WAY … No more retreads!

      Dat’s wha me tinks

    • Cal says:

      Let Saku retire. It is time for he and Selanne to make room for youth on the Ducks.
      Then, everyone here can argue about getting his jersey retired. My vote is and has always been no. Jersey retirements are about Stanley Cup accomplishments, not nice tries.

      • Chris says:

        Then why didn’t they ever retire the number of Claude Provost? He won 9 Stanley Cups, the fourth most in history behind Henri Richard’s 11, and Yvan Counoyer and Jean Beliveau who won 10 each?

        Stanley Cups are a team win. In the smaller NHL, it was a lot easier to win Stanley Cups. In the modern 30-team NHL, placing a Stanley Cup requirement on jersey retirements is a ludicrous bar as the game is completely different.

        For my money, Koivu should not have his jersey retired because his numbers just didn’t meet the bar. He’s in Mats Naslund territory, a very good hockey player whose career just wasn’t quite long enough or productive enough to be included in the rafters.

        But he absolutely should be in the Hockey Hall of Fame based on the combination of being a good NHL player and one of the best international players of his generation.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Chris, if it were any other franchise sans Montreal or Toronto, his number would go on the rafters. His heart and courage should be recognized in some way but I agree, it doesn’t meet the criteria of the numbers hanging from the rafters.

        • ebk says:

          Can’t see him in the Hall of Fame either but I image you have a good case for him, so fire away and change my mind 🙂

          • Chris says:

            Earl, I equate Koivu’s career to that of Igor Larionov.

            Larionov was a good NHL player, but his numbers certainly were not great, and were actually not as good as Koivu:

            Regular Season:
            Larionov – 921 GP, 169 G, 644 PTS, 474 PIM
            Koivu – 1059 GP, 244 G, 803 PTS, 763 PIM

            Larionov – 150 GP, 30 G, 97 PTS, 60 PIM (3 Stanley Cups)
            Koivu – 67 GP, 18 G, 58 PTS, 54 PIM (0 Stanley Cups)

            Koivu’s offensive numbers are better. He played more of a key role on his teams than Larionov, in general. But he suffered from playing for some abysmal teams. To Larionov’s credit, he was a very clutch performer.

            Where Larionov and Koivu both make their strongest case for the Hall of Fame is when you factor in International Play.

            Igor Larionov

            World Junior Championships: 2 Gold
            World Championships: 4 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze
            Olympics: 2 Gold, 1 Bronze
            Canada Cup/World Cup of Hockey: 1 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze

            Senior international performance: 103 GP, 36 G, 87 PTS, 67 PIM

            Saku Koivu

            World Championships: 1 Gold, 2 Silver, 1 Bronze
            Olympics: 1 Silver, 3 Bronze
            Canada Cup/World Cup of Hockey: 1 Silver

            Senior international performance: 89 GP, 30 G, 94 PTS, 78 PIM

            Koivu’s international performance with a Finland squad that has routinely lacked the depth and talent level of its opponents is simply astounding. Put this in context: Joe Sakic’s career international numbers are 48 GP, 22 G, 41 PTS and 39 PIM. Mats Sundin, probably the best international player in recent memory, had career international numbers of 69 GP, 36 G, 89 PTS and 60 PIM.

            When you throw in that he was the long-time captain of the Finnish national team and was regarded highly enough by his international sporting peers to be voted to the Athlete’s Commission of the International Olympic Committee (along with Canadian cross-country skier Beckie Scott) in 2006, a term that is just ending now.

            Koivu, along with Teemu Selanne, has been the face of Finnish Hockey for almost two decades. It would be a crying shame if the Hockey Hall of Fame (not the NHL Hall of Fame) did not recognize his impact on the sport.

          • ebk says:

            well stated! Still thinking it’s a no to the Hall of fame but you did give me a lot to consider.

        • Marc10 says:

          Saku was a solid NHLer. No way he gets his jersey retired. He’s not Hall of Fame worthy either.

          A good second line center.

        • Cal says:

          The Stanley Cup Winner bar is not a ludicrous bar to set. Yes, it is harder to win the Cup now, but that changes nothing. Either you played a KEY role in a championship team’s success or you didn’t.

          • Chris says:

            So Ray Bourque should never have his number retired in Boston?

            Like I said, absolutely ludicrous to use Stanley Cups as the metric.

          • Cal says:

            @Chris- there are exceptions, right? Saku wasn’t/isn’t a great hockey player. He is/was a good hockey player.

          • Chris says:

            Cal: I agree. And it is based on Koivu the hockey player that we should judge him. Koivu could not control that he was loyal to the New York Islanders of the 1990’s. He gets punished for not winning when the management of the team from 1995-2005 was just incompetent at team building.

            Koivu was an above average hockey player and an excellent ambassador for the Montreal Canadiens for a decade. He was the second longest serving captain of the team. He has a place in the team’s history books. But just like Jacques Lemaire’s number has not been raised to the rafters, nor has Mats Naslund’s, the #11 of Saku Koivu should not be retired in Montreal because he just wasn’t quite in that pantheon.

            I hate the Stanley Cup argument because it punishes a guy for his supporting cast. Koivu’s playoff performances were routinely as good as one could expect. Put him on Detroit (and they would have been glad to have him!) and Koivu’s got 3 or 4 Stanley Cups, 1000 career points and is probably a no-brainer for the Hall of Fame.

            So the player was good enough, but the team didn’t deserve him.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Saku can come back after he retires for a Saku Koivu night. One of the greatest moments in Hab history was this:

    • jon514 says:

      Sigh. I love Saku, but we really don’t need anymore hooking minor in the offensive zone… I can’t be the only one who remembers the post “Justin Williams maiming” years.

    • Walmyr says:

      I’m a brazilian HABS fan…and I’m 31 years old so Saku Koivu is my hockey hero!…his history is just amazing…He was (IMO) heart and soul of this franchise for years…

      But i just can’t see him in a HABS jersey….we don’t need him as a player anymore…


    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Please no.

  21. Savardian_Spinorama says:

    Missed the Sens/Pens (!) game last night. Heard MacLean say on the radio this morning that his team wasn’t “hard enough” in the Pens “end” and that the Pens were “harder” in the Sens end. Um, did they play a hockey game out there or what??

  22. Maritime Ron says:

    In the debate concerning “Size” I am no quite sure that is the right term.

    Perhaps the terms should be more about “Strength-Toughness-Heart-Compete”

    No better example is looking at the Habs roster and we see this:
    Kaberle: 6’1″- 212 pounds
    Subban: 6’0”- 216 pounds

    Very little difference in “Size.”
    Kaberle is 1 inch taller and only 4 pounds less in weight, yet is there a softer Dman in the NHL?
    As for Subban, he is strong as a bull for his size, and he can move anyone away from the net when he wants to.

    GM Bergevin used the term of “Balance” moving forward.
    There are a few templates of what a great balance could look like such as the LA Kings and the Ottawa team we just lost to.
    It usually combines 2 skill Dmen, and 4 strong/tough others.

    Using the recent EXPOSED Leafs as an example, what you don’t want concerning SIZE is a completely immobile Ryan O’Bryne (6’5″-234) or a guy like Phaneuf ( 6’3″-214) that absolutely refused to get physically engaged in front of the net on the 2 /last minute goals in the Meltdown in Beantown.

    Bergevin said it’s difficult to find.
    Well Marc, that’s why you’re paid the big bucks and sometimes you have to roll the dice.
    Sometimes you have to give up something to get something.

    See Ottawa GM Bryan Murray.
    He traded a pretty good 24 year old former 1st pick Nick Foligno for 27 year old 6’3-231 Dman Marc Methot…now playing Top 4 minutes.

    • adamkennelly says:

      good post. definitely not all about height and weight – pretty key to be able to move and have a nice chip on your shoulder.

      nice additions

      Engelland, Carkner, Gleason, Erksine, Souray…to name a few.

    • Chris says:

      The problem for Bergevin is that the Habs’ fans ridiculously over-values the team’s prospects.

      When we talk trade as Habs fans, the names we try to send the other way are either worthless (Kaberle, Weber, White) or prospects at a crossroads that carry little value (Leblanc).

      If Montreal is going to secure a top-4 defenceman or a top-6 winger, you can almost guarantee that one of the guys going the other way would have to be one of Gallagher, Eller, Beaulieu or Tinordi. Plekanec and Markov might also carry significant value, but the market would be much more limited.

      Galchenyuk, Pacioretty and Subban are probably untouchables as far as the team is concerned.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        “The problem for Bergevin is that the Habs’ fans ridiculously over-values the team’s prospects.”
        Chris, do you think Bergevin makes trade proposals based on what fans think? If he does we’re in a lot more trouble then Timo, Dude and Retro think.

        • Chris says:

          I think it is very difficult for an administrator to make deals in Montreal or any other hockey-mad market. I definitely believe that they have the fans and media in the back of their mind. Fan opinion obviously doesn’t play a dominant role, but it is certainly there.

          Look no further than the Desharnais signing to see this in full effect. Desharnais is a good, useful hockey player that unfortunately doesn’t really fit with the Canadiens roster moving forwards. But nobody will ever convince me that Bergevin didn’t feel some fan/media pressure when he signed that contract.

          And if I was Bergevin, GM of the Montreal Canadiens with a proud francophone tradition, I think I would probably do the same.

          Look at Ottawa. They dealt for Conacher partially because of his hometown connection to Ottawa. Pageau was given a chance because he is a hometown kid.

          Only in Montreal is a connection to the community that supports the team perceived as this terrible thing.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Crap, I didn’t know I did that, but I am a Habs fan, so call me ridiculous I guess. I need to find out which team in the NHL has perfect fans so I can join that group. 🙂

        • Chris says:

          Hey, I do it too.

          We’re all ridiculous when it comes to prospects. We all see every one of these guys as a future NHL’er, if not even a star, when the reality is that maybe 1/3 to 1/4 of them become regulars, and maybe 1/10 become impact players.

          Montreal just has it worse than most because we follow those prospects so religiously due to the massive media coverage of the team.

          It’s got to be great to be Dean Lombardi and know that you can trade away a Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds for a Mike Richards and your fan base won’t be bringing up trades like Recchi for Desjardins/Leclair or Roy/Keane for Thibault/Rucinsky/Kovalenko or Muller/Schneider for Turgeon/Malakhov. 🙂

  23. Bill says:

    @habfan10912 – normal rehab from acl reconstruction is basically six months to a year. If the surgery is done in June, it could be as soon as January or as late as the 2014/15 season when Emelin is back.

  24. Habfan10912 says:

    I’m not a Doctor nor did I play one on TV but isn’t it a little weird that Emelin’s swelling has not subsided enough for him to have his surgery?
    Perhaps these questions were asked in French at the presser and I missed them but I would have loved for someone to ask:
    Has this delay now moved his return date into 2014 now?
    Is Dr. Andrews doing the surgery?
    No Emelin into 2014 completely changes the off season wish list for me.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      I found this as a possible answer.

      ” ACL reconstruction is usually not performed until several weeks after the injury. Studies have shown improved results when ACL reconstruction surgery is delayed several weeks from the time of injury. This allows the inflamed and irritated knee to cool down. Swelling decreases, inflammation subsides, and range of motion improves. Resolution of swelling and stiffness prior to ACL reconstruction surgery improves the post-operative function of the joint.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think Maritime Ron posted some good reasons which could be the answer to your question Jim. Also, one has to remember that the Habs Medical staff have probably become near experts in ACL reconstruction having lived through the Markov scenario for two years, then there was the scouting done on Galchenyuk whom recently experienced the same operation.

      While it is frustrating to not have answers to the questions you ask, I have to believe our medical staff is working towards the best possible scenario with Mr. Emelin.

      Good Morning Jim!

  25. Cal says:

    It’s going to be fun watching the bug-eyed walrus’ team get demolished.
    1 down. 3 to go.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Cal. Helps mitigate the pain a bit but it still hurts. Now I am starting to think that the regular season was a mirage and the team is still far away from being a legit contender. Then I remind myself that with PK, Gallagher and Galchenyuk in the fold how far away could we be?
      I’m so confused.

      • Cal says:

        Habs are 3 or 4 forwards and 2 or 3 sizable Dmen away. All the youth folks keep trumpeting does not win in the playoffs. It’s always a good balance of vets and youth. LA, Chicago and the Penguins right now are legit contenders exactly because they have that combination.

      • JF says:

        I don’t think the regular season was a mirage, but it was very different from most seasons in that it was only 48 games, a sprint rather than a marathon. The Habs were a model of consistency for the first three months, but the problems we ran into in April suggests this wouldn’t have been the case over 82 games. There would have been slumps, losing streaks, and injuries that hurt us. In fact, we hit that type of adversity just before the playoffs began. The injury to Emelin was catastrophic, the injury to Eller scarcely less so. Then Price mysteriously lost his game altogether.

        The other factor is that playoff hockey is different from regular season hockey. The games are tighter, more physical, more grinding. Goals are generally harder to come by, the result not so much of pretty passing plays as of crashing and banging in front of the net. The only Habs who even tried to do that were Gallagher and Bourque.

  26. HabFanSince72 says:

    Ottawa with all its size and a goalie riding a hot streak is not able to keep up with the Pens.

    They weren’t really able to keep up with us most of the time either, if you look at it objectively.

    • ed says:

      we lost in 5 games, outplayed them in 3, and won 1.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Our second biggest problem was not scoring on the powerplay. (Our main problem was injuries to Eller, Gionta, Max and maybe others).

        Having a fearsome powerplay would have negated Maclean’s strategy of hitting to hurt every chance you get. (Coach of the year candidate? – puh-leaze.)

        And I still believe that it should have been 2-2 going into game 5 and this would have changed everything.

        Nonetheless, the point is that we shouldn’t be emulating the Ottawa Senators.

        • BJ says:

          Agreed on injuries. But did you notice last night what size can do on defense. I watched Murray and although not flashy in any way, he controlled the front of the net sideboards and backboards. The reason I watched him more attentively is that he’s UFA July 1st. He would be a good start.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            How many times were men left in front unattended? Size has something to do with that perhaps but so does skill and smarts. I still maintain the biggest issue with this team continues to be on the blueline. Gorges, Frankie B, Diaz, and a slow footed Markov are just NOT physical enough as a group for this team to go to the next level.
            Add Emelin and Tinordi to the mix and you’ve almost solved that issue.

        • JF says:

          We didn’t score much at even strength either. We scored nine goals in five games; that isn’t going to win too many playoff series. We also failed to score a single goal in any third period, which makes it tough to defend a lead and impossible to come back. Yes, we were robbed of Game 4, but I don’t think it would have changed the final outcome. The team as a whole wasn’t playing well enough and Price was at best mediocre in two of the four games he played.

          As for the Senators, I think they’ll make some adjustments before Game 2. For one thing, Spezza may be ready to play. Their biggest problem all season was scoring enough goals. Mysteriously, this wasn’t remotely a problem against us, but it looks like being one against the Pens.

          Nevertheless, the Senators have done a good job of rebuilding quickly, so I think there’s something there for us to emulate. It was only two years ago that they missed the playoffs and fired their coach. They’ve rebuilt their defence and added size and toughness. Adding scoring is a bit harder.

    • habs001 says:

      If the Habs have Diaz,Markov,Cube and Gorges as part of their lineup they will be hard pressed to make the playoffs and if they make the playoffs the same thing will happen as it did vs Ottawa…2/4 is the most you can bring back…

  27. Small_Town_Boy says:

    Uhm … Funny how every other (except Brodeur) goaltender in the NBHL goes down on the knees on almost every single shot!

    You people bashing Carey Price all these years for doing the same . Don’t you feel foolish?

    Dat’s wha me tinks

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I don’t think people are bashing Price for going down per se.

    • habs001 says:

      The reality is no goalie can ever be blamed on this site because if Price has a bad sv% or gaa we look at wins..or if the stats dictate the other way around than posters say sv% or gaa is more important…or the d in front of him is weak..or the team did not score enough goals…The same should go for all goalies so you cannot blame any goalie in the league as there are many built in excuses for them…One thing for sure if after the same number of playoff games as Price has played Remeir had to same stats or any other goalie he would be shredded by posters who have excuses for Price…

    • Habs_Norway says:

      Look at Quick.. Dont think I’ve ever seen him stand.. Not even when he pees.

      Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • Chris says:

      I don’t think objective posters mind when Price goes down on shots he can’t see. That is basically Butterfly Goaltending 101.

      What drives me nuts is when he goes down into a LOW butterfly for no apparent reason: on long shots with little traffic and especially when the play is behind his net. He did not come up doing that: remember his hybrid coverage of one leg up and one leg down when he first came up?

      Some goalies can get away with the low crouch because their athleticism and quickness lets them make saves. Price, in many respects, is a technical goalie that excels when he blocks the puck, and this is where his size gives him a big advantage. When he plays small, i.e., when he goes into a low-crouch butterfly, he gives up his biggest advantage and has to rely on his quickness which I would argue is average compared to NHL goaltenders.

      When he’s confident, his butterfly is more upright. When he’s off his game, he really crouches down and that’s when you see a lot of stoppable goals into the top corners.

  28. SlovakHab says:

    Brooks Orpik is one of the players I would take on Canadiens in a heartbeat!

  29. ed says:

    watching Vokoun play for Pittsburgh, and Fleury on the bench, I believe that is how you need to manage goaltending.

    both goalies can play; both can win; both can lose; and the TEAM plays the same system and the same intensity regardless of who is in the nets, in theory, any how.

    I said last off season, and I will repeat it again this off season.

    We need to play our 2nd goalie much more often – assuming he is effective and produces wins – throughout the season.

    Then the coach makes a “decision” about who will be the goalie for the opening game, and we go with the hot hand throughout the playoffs. You win, you’re in. You lose, you could be out.

    This is not an “insult” to Price.

    This is a team game, and the goalie is simply 1 player on the team.

    This philosophy, in my opinion, also keeps both goalies sharp throughout the season, and ready for the playoffs. The competition works to improve the goalies’ performances and helps to improve the teams’ results.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      While he hasn’t played much down the stretch, didn’t the Kings play Bernier quite a bit at the beginning of the season when Quick was struggling?

      • ed says:

        certainly, because Bernier is a quality young goalie who can win games for that team. for a while it looked like Quick might not regain his form from last season.

        here’s something to consider: even the best players on our team can lose their positions – either as top forwards on a power play, for example, where they can be “demoted” to 2nd line duty or dropped from the power play all together. Same thing applies on the penalty kill.

        The coach is constantly shifting lines 5 on 5 to get the right chemistry going.

        Finally, as an athlete, I like the competition for my job. I want to know that I need to produce to keep my spot – that’s how I’ve spent my whole life playing the game and that’s how I’ve trained myself to succeed.

        Once an athlete settles into his position he can become complacent, he can create bad habits; bad work ethic; even laziness.

  30. HabinBurlington says:

    Watching the Pens win last night, what I found most intriguing was how Vokoun would make the initial save, pucks were laying in the crease, Ottawa players were in the area, but Penguins dmen and forwards backchecking were tying them up and clearing the puck.

    A big part of this is positioning and will to work in your own end, but it doesn’t hurt when a defenceman is the size of Orpik, Murray etc.. and are able to hold off the Senators forwards in order to clear the puck.

    As someone mentioned earlier in the post, Orpik was a stud in the Penguins zone.

  31. Mavid says:

    sure is quiet here today..:-)

  32. petefleet says:

    Size and toughness are two different things for sure but as a general rule of thumb, toughness comes with size. The exceptions would be guys like Gally and Prust. Keeping in mind that most of the team is signed for the next season, I see a grand total of two (2) spots left to fill before Sept. It would be nice if the new guys had some size and skill. Good luck Marc.
    74 & 79
    26 & 61
    72 & 76

    27 81 11
    17 14 67
    8 51 ___
    45 24 ___

    Two big, tough wingers would go along way to help the Habs over 82 games. There are none in the system so they’ll have to go UFA route or trade.

    I haven’t been wrong in a long time…..not feeling like today is the day.

    ***Go Habs Go***

  33. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …hope Mavis does not read My post below 🙂

  34. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I voted Ottawa …despite The owner, I like them because Ottawa is a ‘suburb’ of Montreal …once upon a day they won a Stanley Cup (founded in 1883, winner of 11 Stanley Cups between 1917 to 1934) …yet now a dayz gets zero respect

    …I like underdogs, and if any team beats My Montreal Canadiens, then I want that team to go all the way

    …that is, as long as that team’s name is not either the Boston Beans or the Turdranna MuppleWeeds 🙁

    • AliHaba says:

      @Habitant in Surrey
      Your post on Ottawa’s long ago successes tweaked my curiosity so I looked into it further. Would you believe that a team from Ottawa (Silver Seven) won the Stanley Cup 10 times between 1903 and 1906? Obviously the Cup was played for more than once a year. Actually Ottawa (Senators) won it three times in one week during March of 1911. This was during the time that the Cup could be challenged for by any team in Canada.
      Beginning in 1915 the Cup was played for on a yearly basis and Ottawa won it in 1920, 1921, 1923 and lastly in 1927.
      Our game has come a long way since those days. Most changes for the better but it was a more simple time.

    • Habs_Norway says:

      Agreed upon, I also cheer for all the Canadian teams when we’re out.
      (even though i dont like rooting for the nucks or walrus’szsz)
      Better to have the Cup back to where it belongs than in the US.

      Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  35. Timo says:

    Is everyone sleeping? Good night people. Go Kings! Eff Senators and pretty much every team left in the East.

  36. Habilis says:

    Actual shot of Jack Edwards calling the B’s OT goal on Monday.

    Now that is a true homer.

  37. matt jordan says:

    Plekanec is just saying size isn’t a problem because he knows management will do nothing about it.

  38. HammerHab says:

    IMO next season MT needs to adjust Plekanec’s ice time. He needs to do less PP work and just play 5-on-5 and be our #1 PK centerman. The future of the center postion on the PP lies with Galchenyuk & Eller. Chucky may not be ready for full time center duties next year but Pleks needs to be eased into a 3rd line role with heavier PK duties beginning next year as that should be his fulltime position in 2014/15. I would wager the less ice time would show a marked improvement in his 5-on-5 point output as well. Oh, and get him working on his faceoffs too for f-sakes. Then, having a Halpern type guy as our 4th line center for PK#2 use is ideal.


    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  39. Timo says:

    Gomer with a classic Gomer shift – gallop, gallop, gallop, lose the puck at the blue line, go for a change.

  40. Timo says:

    Hmm… I’ll be in LA Sun, Mon, Tue… wonder how hard it is to get tickets to the Kings’ game.

    • Bill says:

      I didn’t know you were such a jet-setter. How about sending your private plane out east and bring me with you? I want to get my “Gomez Sucks” sign on TV.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  41. C-Sword says:

    Seriously, how is Quick making those saves?

    • Marc10 says:

      Good positioning and the guys taking the shots aren’t being given a great deal of time or much to look at.

      He’s getting them in his chest and pads. Reminds me of St Pat… He’s making it look easy. (And when he does have to make a hard one, like that spin around move he did on Gomer, well the technique is flawless…)

  42. MikeHabs says:

    While I do like Diaz, because he is not as soft as Weber who needs to be traded ok Marc?, I would like Nygren to take Rafa’s spot down the road. It was reported that the Habs inked Nygren:

    • Bill says:

      Nygren is not what you would call a bruiser, like Diaz is not, and who’s to say he will ever even be as good a player as Diaz?

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  43. Gally365 says:

    Can someone tell me how a team can play so good for 48 Games better than any of the 6-Teams behind them and only win 1-Game in the playoffs.

    Was it injuries, Toughness, weak offense, weak defense, weak Goal Tending or all of the above. They didn’t play like this all year. So what Happened?

    except for all around toughness. They did the remainder very well for 48 games even dealing with injuries. Guess it has to be a toughness thing …. Not tough enough. Maybe Plek’s is right. You don’t have to be big just tough.

    Their scoring was as good as any team in the Eastern Conference except for Pittsburgh. We were 5th in the Eastern Conference in Goals against. So it looks like our problems were – Toughness, Weak defense, Weak Goal Tending this time around ….

    • MikeHabs says:

      In the playoffs, a hot goaltender and puck luck can get you pretty far. Montreal went up against a team that had both. Add in the injuries to the Canadiens and it wasnt a good ending. The habs shouldve won game one but failed to take advantage of that 5on3 PP once Eller was down. Eller going down to me was the turning point personally. Habs dominated 40minutes for sure in game one, shouldve scored more goals in the second period. They didn’t and lost the game. Game two they played well in all 3 periods and pulled out a victory. Game 3 as we know was the worst Habs played maybe all year i dont even know. Game 4 they shouldve won and for whatever reason sat on a lead which was not something they did all season! Plus MT thought it would be just fine to sit Galchenyuk and Tinordi in the 3rd.. game 5 well, dominated for awhile and Sens had a few breaks that they capitalized, didnt help that Budaj had some nerves on the first couple that went by him. When you have 6 regulars out and then Max playing with a separated shoulder, its a recipe for absolute disaster and it occurred. They didnt even seem to try in the 3rd and OTT scored three times. Donezo.

      • Gally365 says:

        6-Regulars out in 5-Games that kinda ties in with toughness or one could say. Injury prone. another thing to look into. No good keeping players like that. They wouldn’t last 28 games of playoff Hockey. The proof is already there.

        • Clay says:

          Also the goalie collapse to consider, no?

          ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

  44. jols101 says:

    Funny thing about watching Quick, he is on his knees pretty much the entire game like most NHL goalies these days. Many on here think it is a flaw when in reality it is how the position is played today. Price is just one of many.

  45. C-Sword says:

    Gomez using his speed to draw a penalty

  46. Timo says:

    Does Jonathan Quick make 6.5 mil a year?

  47. jols101 says:

    Quick and the LA Kings, peaking at the perfect time again. We could have our first back-to-back Champion in ages.

    • Timo says:

      They do look very solid indeed.

      Saw a glimpse of Gryba leaving the ice after a hit. Please tell me the son of a bitch is concussed.

    • Marc10 says:

      Rag dolling the Sharks… Jeff Carter is a beast. Funny how the Kings managed to get the best out of him, Richards and Penner… Three projects in their own way, all working out just fine.

      One heck of a team.

  48. Propwash says:

    Totally off topic, but really cool to see a baseball player play catch with a kid in the stands. This guy gets it, it’s about the fans, not about the ego.


    • Bill says:

      I know I have mentioned it before, but one nice thing I can say about Gomez: both times I saw him play at the Bell Centre, at the end of warm-up he took a bunch of pucks to the boards and flipped them out to kids who were waving in the stands. He was the only one doing it too.

      Definitely a nice guy and one who was good to the fans, especially kids.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Marc10 says:

        He also had that foundation with Gio where they sponsored a luxury box for sick kids to attend the games. I think they took over Kovy’s box…

        It’s nice to see when a little effort by a pro makes a kid’s day.

        • Propwash says:

          Alot of people don’t really look at what players do for the community, and think all of their money goes into their pockets.


          • Marc10 says:

            Absolutely. Considering their availability and all the other sponsor crap. It’s amazing they have any time left over.

            That said, playing a game and getting paid millions and complimentary Reimer handbags does have its privileges.

            Still, good on em’.

  49. PrimeTime says:

    I think Pleks said we need more scoring. You really believe he would diss himself or any teammates?? Read between the lines and never take anything you read or hear literally.

  50. Sportfan says:

    Sportsnet talking about the Leafs keeping or chucking Phaneuf and Kessel. I say its not worth 15 million of their cap but I’m biased and hate them. If I had to keep one I’d keep Kessel…

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    • awesomerino says:

      I hate the Leafs too, but Kessel’s finished in the top 10 in scoring two years in a row. You can’t let that walk away. Phaneuf is dead weight.

    • Marc10 says:

      Don’t know that you offload either.

      Kessel is one of the best scorers in the league. You lose him and all the focus would switch to Kadri.

      Phaneuf is still their best D and has a great shot off the point. You don’t just ship that off irrespective of his shortcomings. You need to get something significant back.

    • Timo says:

      You put Phil Kessel through Michael Therrien Personal Development Program and the kid will be next Mario Lemieux.

  51. deuce6 says:

    “Every year? For the last 10 years?” he replied with a grin Saturday when asked how often he has heard that question while clearing out his locker in Brossard.

    Anyone else see the irony in this statement? So, we haven’t done next to squat in a decade (it is more, actually), but we should just stay status quo..Right, Pleks..

    Someone wanna wake this guy up and tell him that a big/physical D (OTT) just beat the skilled Habs in 5 games?

    We DO need size and we DO need toughness…

    Remember, he said this while cleaning out his locker after the 1st round of the playoffs..Again…

    Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

  52. Danno says:

    I give tonight’s First Star to Brooks Orpik


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  53. PrimeTime says:

    Who needs a big gritty team when, apparently all is needed is a shutdown goalie??? Small minds believe it!!!

  54. C-Sword says:

    1-0 Kings

    Sick shot by Voynov, great play by Richards

  55. Danno says:

    So who’s going to do James Reimer’s groceries?


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  56. HNS says:

    So let me get this straight. When the Sens came out hitting and our small guys didn’t hit because they were dwarfed or our injured guys couldn’t hit so size did not matter???? I call bullshit.

  57. habs-fan-84 says:

    Ottawa is going to have their lunch handed to them against the Pens.

    They were essentially outplayed and outshot by the Hamilton Canadiens.

  58. kirbhabs says:

    Kristo is playing for the US at the worlds, should be interesting to see how he fits in.

  59. C-Sword says:

    Gomez getting pp time. Watch him move the puck

  60. HNS says:

    Watching the Sens game the more I realized that Price ate ass in that series. The difference between him and Fleury is that Fleury had a pair to win the cup. Price won’t match that intensity.

  61. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Does anybody think the Habs could put together a package for one of the top 3 picks?

    Perhaps a Gallagher, Tinordi, and a 1st?

    • Naslund110 says:

      why would u throw 2 studs and a pick for a maybe?

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Well, a MacKinnon – Galchenyuk combo could become part of a dynasty core (typically consisting of 5 key players, top two centers, top two D, and a goaltender) with Subban and Price, leaving a second elite D to be acquired or developed… I think players like Gallagher (who I am a huge fan, that’s why included him) and Tinordi would have to be included to get such a huge asset (a top pick).

    • Steven says:

      It could work, but I’m not sure why you’d give up a good young forward, a good young d-man(the only one in our system that plays that way, too) and a potential good young player of any position for a single greater player at one position. 3 good assets for 1 great isn’t always the ideology to go by.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      We need depth, lots of talent at different positions, kids who can play when called up when we get injuries. We don’t need to hit a 500 ft. homerun, we need a lot of hits and doubles and moving the runners and scoring lots of runs.

      We need assets, lots of them, before we start to trade quantity for quality.

  62. HardHabits says:

    I really admire and respect Pittsburgh’s acquisition of Vokoun and that they aren’t reluctant to play him.

  63. EricInStL says:

    Anyone watching SJ vs LAK ?

  64. The Jackal says:

    Sens got rocked.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  65. EricInStL says:

    Talented, tough and nasty, Pittsburgh has it all. It will take a big hit by Ottawa in the next game in order to establish something. If not it might be 4 and out.

  66. PrimeTime says:

    I wonder who is more biased…the media or the fans??? Warning: This is a trick question!

  67. Sportfan says:

    Wow the Jays coulda blown that

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  68. HardHabits says:

    Lack of size is not the Habs’ problem. Lack of size, speed and skill is.

    • Mattyleg says:

      It wasn’t all season.
      We didn’t finish first in our division and second in the conference by luck.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • punkster says:

      Lack of regulars in the line up during the playoffs didn’t help any either…but somewhere in that trio of requirements the Habs were doing something right most of the season.

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

      • HardHabits says:

        Watching the Pens destroy the Sens gives me cause for concern. I agree with Bergevin that depth and balance are the way to go.

        I think he would agree that the Habs need to get not just bigger (at certain positions), but also faster and more talented.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.” – Marc Bergevin

        • punkster says:

          World talents like Crosby and Malkin tend to tilt the ice in the Pens favour…and they don’t grow on trees.

          ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

          • HardHabits says:

            No but they do grow on Tanks™. 😀

            Crosby was underwhelming. He was a minus 1 and didn’t figure in any of the Pens’ scoring. The Pens are winning because they are deep and loaded. Excellent ice time management by Bylsma.

          • Mattyleg says:


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  69. Old Bald Bird says:

    Carey would have been crucified for the last goal — on his knees, over his shoulder.

  70. habsfan0 says:

    I don’t think we’ll see a comeback from 4-1 tonight.

  71. L Elle says:

    # 9 goes top shelf. heh heh

  72. Sportfan says:

    LOL On Sportsnet who stays and who goes 1 day after the Leafs are eliminated XD really sad

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  73. Hobie Hansen says:

    @ Burly – I think the Jays will challenge for a wildcard spot. Write it down my friend.
    “It’s frightening to contemplate how this undersized team would fare in a seven-game series against St. Louis, L.A. or Chicago..”

    –Mike Boone

    • habs1992 says:

      One can dream. I hope they do though LOL

      I support Carey Price

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I can sense a 20-4 run starting here. If they’re playing meaningful ball down the stretch I’m happy. Like the Habs, it’s been 20 years. Being in the hunt in September is like the 1st round in the NHL.

        “It’s frightening to contemplate how this undersized team would fare in a seven-game series against St. Louis, L.A. or Chicago..”

        –Mike Boone

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Assuming they get a mgr. who provides leadership, perhaps. But that team is currently a bunch of divas. Laurie and Arencibias recent comments I think are proof. Talent is there, leadership lacking.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Agree… Gibbons was the wrong hire.
        Do’t recall which game it was but his penchant of pretending to be a baseball genis and ‘going b the famous baseball book’ definitely cost them a game recently.

    • Sportfan says:

      Agreed they are waking up and have won a lot more than they have lost lately Johnson and Morrow need to return though.

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  74. HabinBurlington says:

    Not sure if posted before, but this is apparently the MRI of Leaf damn Mark Fraser who took puck to forehead.

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