Six overtimes: reconstructing NHL’s longest game

Goaler Normie Smith, who made 90 (or 92, depending on your source) saves for Detroit in the NHL’s longest game.
Gazette files

In light of the triple overtime Blackhawks-Bruins match in Game 1 of the current Stanley Cup final, I’ve dug into my files to pull out a 1999 feature I wrote, reconstructing the longest-game in NHL history โ€“ a six-overtime contest played March 24-25, 1936 at the Montreal Forum between the Montreal Maroons and victorious Detroit Red Wings.

Mr. Caddell, the subject of my feature, has since passed away. But what a wonderful visit with him 14 years ago to relive the historic game.

On a Wing and a prayer:
Detroit rookie Mud Bruneteau won NHL’s longest game with a Forum goal in sixth overtime

Published June 19, 1999

– At twenty-five minutes past two this morning, a bushy-haired blonde veteran of hockey, Hector Kilrea, a sturdy, scarlet-clad form wearing the white emblem of Detroit Red Wings, went pounding tirelessly down the battle-scarred, deep-cut Forum ice, trying to pilot a puck that was bobbling crazily over the rough trail, almost out of control.

ย It looked like another of the endless unfinished plays – when suddenly, in shot the slim form of a player, who through this long, weary tide of battle that ebbed and flowed had been almost unnoticed. He swung his stick at the bobbling puck, the little black disc straightened away, shot over the foot of Lorne Chabot, bit deeply into the twine of the Montreal Maroon cage.

ย And so Modere Bruneteau, clerk in a Winnipeg grain office, leaped to fame as the player who ended the longest game on professional hockey record.

– Elmer Ferguson
Montreal Herald, Wednesday, March 25, 1936


The Gazette

They played a National Hockey League double-header eight weeks ago, and the Dallas Stars eliminated the Edmonton Oilers in their Western Conference quarter-final after 57 minutes and 34 seconds of overtime. A long, grueling night of playoff hockey, to be sure, yet only a pale pretender to the throne.

As this season lumbers along to its summertime end, Phil Caddell might even suggest that Joe Nieuwendyk, who scored the winner for Dallas, couldn’t have tied the skatelaces of Detroit’s Modere (Mud) Bruneteau, a hockey hero for the ages.

At the Forum on March 24 and into the wee hours of March 25, 1936, the Detroit Red Wings and Montreal Maroons played a triple-header, nearly three full games, in the first match of their best-of-five semi-final playoff series.

Sixty-three years ago, Phil Caddell was still on his north-end bench seat at 2:25 a.m. – flat out and sound asleep, he admits – when Mud Bruneteau scored the game’s only goal, lashing the Red Wings’ 67th shot past Maroons goaler Lorne Chabot at 16:30 of the sixth overtime period. The teams had played 116 minutes, 30 seconds of extra time, 176:30 including 60 minutes of regulation, to decide the longest game in NHL history.

In the other crease, Detroit’s Normie Smith was numb, unbeaten by 90 Maroon shots. He hadn’t lost 12 pounds through perspiration, he merely had transferred the weight to his saturated peak-cap, long-johns and leather goal pads that were stuffed with soggy horsehair.

“You know, we figured it was going to go on all night,” says Caddell, who will turn 86 in a few weeks. “And our pact was, we weren’t leaving until it was over. Whether we were awake or not.”

– There was quite an array of clerics in boxes on the east side, among whom was Ven. Archdeacon Gower-Rees and the Very Rev. Dean Carlisle. They stayed through 100 minutes of overtime, and then called it a day, or rather a night. But they weren’t alone. Many others toiling on bankers’ hours had gone long ago.

– Baz O’Meara, Montreal Star


Until that night, the longest game on record had been played on April 3, 1933 in Toronto, going 104 minutes and 46 seconds into overtime. The Maple Leafs’ Ken (Cagey) Doraty finally scored to defeat Boston 1-0.

The NHL was an eight-team league in 1935-36, four clubs in both the Canadian and American divisions. The Canadiens, who late in the season had traded Lorne Chabot to the Maroons for three players, including a rookie winger named Toe Blake, were on the outside looking in as the playoffs began. They had finished in the Canadian cellar with 11 victories in 48 games.

The Maroons were the defending Stanley Cup champions, and in the opinion of Montreal’s English newspapers – The Gazette, the Star, and the best sports page in town, the Herald – they were a cinch to repeat. Their first post-season test would be the Red Wings, champions of the American Division.

The series opened at the Forum at 8:30 p.m. on Tuesday, March 24, before a crowd estimated at 9,000, a thousand less than capacity. With two friends, Val Traversy and Herbie Howe, Phil Caddell walked to the arena from National Breweries, where he worked as a junior clerk earning $40 a month.

“There were tickets galore. We just walked up and bought ’em at a window on the sidewalk, and I’d be surprised if we spent more than 50 cents for our (unreserved) rush-end seats,” says Caddell, who was 22.

“We just went to see three periods of hockey. How could we possibly know we’d get nine?”

– The boys were so tired they were skating from memory and shooting by ear. The referees were so weary they could only blow feeble toots on their tin whistles. Here’s to Hec Kilrea, who started the play that sent the fans home for breakfast!

– Philip Morris Navy Cut cigarette ad, The Star


Phil (Pip) Caddell was born in Brantford, Ont., on July 7, 1913 and moved to Lachine as an infant when his father went off to war. One of four children, he was 7 when his family moved to Edinburgh, where he worshipped Scottish Olympic track star Eric Liddell, the central character of the film Chariots of Fire.

He was 14 when they returned to Lachine, and as a young caddie at a local golf course he often stood pop-eyed at the first tee, ogling hockey’s fabulous Cleghorn brothers, Odie and Sprague, and two living legends: Howie Morenz and Aurel Joliat.

“That’s the difference between hockey then and now,” Caddell says. “The players then lived in your neighbourhood year-round. You grew up around them, and they were part of you. Either you knew them, or you knew someone who knew them.”

Before long he was going to McGill to watch college football, or riding the streetcar from his home to the Forum, where he’d queue to buy a ticket – always in the rush-end of the rink – to watch his beloved Maroons.

He didn’t play a lot of hockey himself.

“There was only one rink in upper Lachine,” he recalls, “and very seldom did it have decent ice.”

– Nearly three tons of snow was swept from the ice between periods. The surface remained hard, but eventually the puck refused to lie down and be good. Bert Newbury, Forum superintendent, made suggestions to Frank Calder, president of the NHL, that a little longer period of rest be given so that the ice might be flooded, but he stoutly refused all such offers of advice. Ten minutes rest was all the boys needed, according to the president.

– Al Parsley, The Herald


No one had expected the Maroons to win the Stanley Cup a year earlier, least of all the publicity director of National Breweries, the corporate parent of a number of ale and lager brands. One of its labels, Black Horse, was enormously popular as much for its stables as its beer; the brewery owned a number of mighty Percherons it would loan to rural Quebec horsemen for breeding.

Reginald Joseph (Hooley) Smith, the Maroons captain, coveted the valuable horses and apparently convinced the brewery to give him one should his club win the 1934-35 Cup. Ranked fourth in the regular season, the Maroons knocked off Chicago, New York and finally upset top-ranked Toronto in three straight games to win the title.

A young brewery office boy named Phil Caddell, in his first year on the job, was immediately dispatched to every beauty parlour on Ste. Catherine St. to buy all the black hair dye he could find. Caddell never knew for certain, but he assumed that the publicity director, perhaps in deep with his bosses for an offer he couldn’t deliver, was planning to give Hooley Smith a brown nag painted black.

But in The Gazette’s archives is a tiny news brief published in April, 1935, covering a ceremony attended by 2,000 fans at which Smith indeed was presented with the genuine article.

– Detroit goaler Smith played like a stallion. The highest total of shots that bounced off his sprightly, alert frame in a period was in the third, when he turned aside 15 smashing drives. In the third period of overtime, again in the fourth, as Maroons time and again rallied their forces to crash his citadel, he stopped 13 in each.

– Ferguson, The Herald


Normie Smith broke into the NHL with the Maroons in 1931, playing 20 games before he was accidentally crushed by then-teammate Howie Morenz in a goalmouth scramble and sidelined for the season. He languished in the minors for two years and took to wearing a peaked cap, which he found cut the glare from the overhead lights. In 1934, he was signed by Detroit manager and coach Jack Adams.

Not only did Smith shut out the Maroons over nearly nine periods of this incredible game, he blanked them again in Game 2 and wasn’t beaten until 12:02 of the first period of Game 3, giving him a shutout streak of 248:32, which remains an NHL record. The Wings swept the Maroons and then beat Toronto in the final to win their first of two consecutive Stanley Cups.

Smith’s 90 saves in one game (92, according to some reports) are listed in the Guinness Book of World Records.

“We could not believe they kept coming out to play, and as Maroon fans we could not believe the stops the Detroit boy kept making,” says Caddell, sitting in an easy chair, chewing on a peppermint and warming to the memories.

Caddell’s war medals, and those of an uncle, are framed above his bed in the Lachine seniors home where he lives. He was widowed four years ago, and on a table at his bedside is a framed photograph of Elga Ramsey – Duckie, he called her – whom he married on March 23, 1945, two days after returning from battle. He has four children – Susan, Ian, Andrew and Graham – and 11 grandchildren.

Most of them love hockey, and all of them adore the tale about Hooley Smith, the nag and the black hair dye.

– Bucko McDonald, rugged steak-destroyer, almost wrecked the Maroon forward line with his crashing bodychecks. He flattened everyone but Chabot.

– Ferguson, The Herald


Wilfred Kennedy (Bucko) McDonald, a beefsteak-and-potatoes man of 205 pounds, earned his pay and more on this night. Renowned for his physical style, a Red Wings fan offered him $5 for every Maroon he leveled. Nine periods and 37 punishing bodychecks later, the fan happily forked over $185, enough to buy Bucko a few prime sirloins.

The Maroons’ Joe Lamb didn’t see action until the “second” game. He later told reporters, “After this, I’m going to have my steak at around 8 o’clock instead of 3 in the afternoon!”

At least a few fans chose shut-eye over sustenance. Published reports vary on how many spectators were left at the end, but Caddell, who finally was awakened by the cheers – “It was more a sigh of relief,” one columnist wrote – recalls having enough room to stretch out on his rush-end bench.

The girls working the refreshment booths on the promenade deck, who usually would close up shop by 10 p.m., were still serving cakes and coffee four hours later.

During intermissions, players were sipping tea and coffee laced with brandy, then lying on their backs with their legs up on benches to improve circulation. The two referees, Ag Smith and Bill Stewart (the latter the grandfather of current NHL official Paul Stewart), stopped taking their skates off, afraid they wouldn’t be able to lace up their boots over surely swollen feet.

Finally, at 2:25 a.m., a 21-year-old rookie from St. Boniface, Man., played the hero. The following morning, Maroons goaler Lorne Chabot presented right-winger Mud Bruneteau with the puck that ended the game.

“Gee whiz, gee whiz, that’s swell,” an overwhelmed Mud told reporters as he twirled the prize in his hands.

Only a few hours earlier, the last streetcar to Lachine having long since departed, Phil Caddell had hiked up to Val Traversy’s house in Westmount to nap on a parlour couch. He was back at work at 8:30 a.m.

– Bruneteau scored just about the time the milkman was starting to steam out on his morning rounds. The fans had steeled themselves for a fluke goal long before the tally came. The one that broke the contest was luck-tinged, but fans did not cavil at it. It came as a welcome relief.

– O’Meara, The Star


Mud Bruneteau, a Winnipeg grain-commissions clerk for Montreal-born Red Wings owner James Norris, died April 15, 1982. He is exclusively celebrated for the historic overtime goal he scored in his first-ever playoff game, which while understandable is also a disservice to his contribution to hockey.

Bruneteau played 11 seasons for Detroit, scoring 162 goals in 488 games. He went down to the Red Wings’ farm club in Omaha in 1946-47 and retired to coach the Knights in 1948-49, handpicked by Jack Adams to nurture the next generation of Wings. That season he became the first professional coach of Terry Sawchuk, one of the greatest goalies of all time.

A gifted, patient communicator, Bruneteau taught the young Sawchuk the finer points of the position, and Sawchuk, a future Hall of Famer, frequently credited his coach for his development.

Mud Bruneteau scored once more in the playoff season of 1935-36, and his name is engraved on the Stanley Cup three times.

But when the Red Wings and Montreal Maroons met for Game 2 that March 26, a tidy, quick 3-0 Detroit victory, there was at least one fan not on the Forum’s rush-end benches.

“Most probably,” Phil Caddell says, “I simply couldn’t afford the ticket.”

Below: Detroit hero Mud Bruneteau
Gazette files



  1. Habfan10912 says:

    @Timo. I wonder if Carbo is saving it for his book? Curious minds, huh?

  2. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …ha, those pads of Smith’s look like what I started out in My own relatively brief goaltending career back in ’50s ๐Ÿ™‚ …I remember Baz O’Meara and Elmer Ferguson as the great hockey writers of My youth

    …one of those 2 (and, I aint tellin’ which one) had an 18 year old mistress that was a living double of Jayne Mansfield back in the day, whose stressed cashmere sweaters were the apple of My eye in those early years of My puberty

    …how do I know ? …well, He had rented a love-hut across the hall from Me in My Parents’ NDG building …and, because He left her alone so much, she crossed the hall on a nightly basis to ask My Mom if she can ‘borrow’ Her Son to ‘change her light bulb’ and other difficult tasks beyond her capacity

    …I shall forever be indebted to Him …that adolescent enlightenment left in Me, for a few years, a burning ambition to be a sports writer ‘when I grew up’

    …as I had become to believe ‘hot women’ were one of the perks of that career

    …of course, I eventually learned there were many other career alternatives with access to hot ladies …but I digress ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Tremendous story! Thanks for sharing that. BTW a lot if these young gentleman here are googling Jayne Mansfield as we speak. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Fransaskois says:

        Googled her, was not disappointed. I’d imagine you see Kerr, Stubbs and even Boone out with those types every night of the week.

        Maybe I’ll become a sports-writer…..

        Can’t say I’ve been around too many hens like that in Scotland lately. Lots of minging, chavvy, beasties with too much make-up and too baggy of sweatpants.

        How I miss the homeland…. I hear the ladies in Montreal are nice this time of year?

  3. veryhabby says:

    Cap question. Looking at nhl numbers website. I noticed some ahlers on the cap list, while others aren’t. For example LL was on it, but he didn’t play in mtl last season. So is bournival, nokelanian etc. So what makes a ahler’s salary count on the cap while others not?

    • veryhabby says:

      I am not a cap worry fan. But I do like looking at the numbers. I added up 56.23 as the cap presently. This does not include any rfa guesses. Rfas this year are: white, Dumont, blunden, weber. It does not include any resigning of our Ufas, which are Ryder, armstrong, nokelanian, halpern. And it doesn’t include some ahlers that were on the list last year (see above post I had). So our 2 ahl goalies, Beaulieu, Pateryn, bournival.

      It does include Kabby at 4.25. And I did recall adding DD and Patches new contracts.

      All this to say…we have a lot of players to add with about $7M left in space. Ouch. Yup Kabby will be bought out. We need that space!

    • Phil C says:

      I find capgeek the best for salary stuff. Habs have $61M committed to 21 players so far. This does not include AHLers (except Tinordi, who finished the season with the big club), but their salaries are listed if they are called up.

    • Habilis says:

      I could be wrong, but I think it’s a case of all the 2-way contracts being counted as NHL deals right now. Prior to training camp, nobody knows who will make the team and who will be sent down so they just count everyone who could make the team.

    • savethepuck says:

      I don’t know the exact number, it is close to 900,000. If a player has a salary of 1.9 mil and he is in the AHL, 1 mil will count against the team’s salary cap. It is hard to calculate cap during the off season because some of these players will not be on the active roster.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  4. Mattyleg says:

    Here they are, guys: The Rednucks.

    #3 of 3.
    Thank me later.

    *caution, some naughty language*

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  5. habsfan0 says:

    We’ll know today at 5pm if Marc Bergevin is the winner of this year’s GM of the Year award.

    If he does win it, I’m sure DD will give him a standing ovation.

  6. savethepuck says:

    Just had a couple of hours without rain so had to interrupt my US open viewing to take a few laps on my mower. Now it’s back to golf. That short course is playing really tough, only 5 players under par and a other 5 at even. Enjoying watching the top 3 paired together even though neither of them can get to even.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  7. Maritime Ron says:

    Realizing the RFA Offer Sheet strategy could be a very dangerous route to take, perhaps it is a tool that the GMs should look at more closely to improve their team.

    Here’s also realizing you won’t make any friends doing it- that perhaps down the road you will incur payback – that the other team can match the Offer and retain the player – that the Draft pick compensation owed must be your own picks and not ones acquired in a trade – that the player must actually agree and sign the Offer Sheet – that Offer Sheets cannot transpire if the player/team has chosen Arbitration.

    All that mentioned, this appears to be the estimated range of RFA compensation this year:

    – < $ 1,024,845 No Compensation
    -$ 1,02M – $1,55M/ 2014 3rd round pick
    -$ 1,55M – $3,10M/2014 2nd round pick
    -$ 3,10M – $4,65M/2014 1st round and 3rd round pick
    -$ 4,65M – $6,21M/ 2014 1st round, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
    -$ 6,21M – $ 7,76M/ 2014 1st round pick, 2015 1st round pick, 2014 2nd round pick, 2014 3rd round pick
    – +$ 7,76M/ 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 1st round picks.

    Targetted teams could be ones that refuse to spend or have several quality RFAs coming due at the same time where duo Offer Sheets could be employed.

    EX: Winnipeg has 7 RFAs to deal with including forwards Wheeler-Little-Burmistrov-Tangrati and 3 Dmen including Bogosian-Redmond-Postma.

    St. Louis goes public and says they will match any offer for their RFAs, yet is that true?
    Their RFAs include Dmen Pietrangelo-Shattenkirk, and forwards such as Chris Stewart and Patrick Burglund

    Is that a tool we should look at and if so, who should we target, and at what price considering the draft pick compensation?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I should have bookmarked the article, but I think it was Bob McKenzie or Elliotte Friedman who said offer sheets don’t work, because you have to overpay for the opposing team to not match your offer, because it would wreck their salary structure. If they don’t match, you have to give up mondo picks, and then have you have a player on your roster who probably wrecks your own salary structure. This comment was from a GM who was reacting to accusations of collusion, and he was saying there aren’t more offer sheets because they don’t work. Looking at the Ryan O’Reilly mess that Jay Feaster caused for the Avalanche, it’s hard to disagree.

  8. HardHabits says:

    The CBA is crap. I still think teams should be able to do as the NFL does. You show up to training camp out of shape, injured, too old or just unable to cut it at the pro level and you can be cut. No pay. No rewards. No cap hit.

    I do not have any sympathy for these high priced and over-paid athletes.

    And before you get all lawyer-like on me. Note that I have a contract with my employer. I can quit at any time. They can also fire me if I don’t perform up to standards. Suffice it to say I am NOT part of a union. Union. That’s akin to saying, “no ambition.”

    OK. So maybe there should be some kind of settlement deal in such circumstances, like a severance package of sorts, but that’s it.

    I can’t wait to see how Minnesota fairs in a few years.

    • Chris says:

      You mention your employer. You can quit at any time. Note that you have already highlighted the fundamental difference between you and a professional athlete. You choose the contract that you wish to sign, and you know that you can quit to get out of that contract if it isn’t working for you.

      If you want to implement non-guaranteed contracts, you first need to abolish the draft and restricted free agency. Let every player have full control over their own choices and I could live with non-guaranteed contracts. Until then, it would be a non-starter.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      There may be another way to look at it.

      You mention, ” I do not have any sympathy for these high priced and over-paid athletes.”

      From here, the players or any employee of any org cannot be blamed for his level of compensation.

      Perhaps the question should be exactly whom decides their compensation?

      In this NHL Entertainment industry, 2 independent parties came to the table and agreed to sign a Collective Bargaining Agreement.
      This agreement had as its main focus the splitting of revenue generated with inclusion of articles and rules to how that would transpire.

      The KEY word is Revenue – that being generated by the fans via their ‘free will’ purchases along with sponsors that deem NHL hockey a good investment.

      For the moment, that is the world we live in where supply/demand determines market price.
      We can freely choose to follow, or freely decline following the product.

      By the way, how is your level of sympathy for a fella named Tom Cruise that generated personal revenues of $75 Million between May 2011-12?
      It is what it is.

    • neumann103 says:

      Were you drafted by your employer at age 18, prevented from working for another employer for at least 7 years, and does every other employer in your industry collude to prevent you from taking a similar job at a similar compensation level if you quit your current job?

      “Et le but!”

    • New says:

      Depending how you’re used in hockey you can go from hero to zero as fast as zero to hero. Your employer can put you in an untenable position. It isn’t like the rest of the world where all bosses are invariably correct, in hockey your short career can be ruined by the mistakes of those you work for. So the contracts are designed the way they are. It is about the only protection the player has.

      On the other hand the GM’s who sign players to long term contracts are saying: We can’t pay you what you’re worth each season, but if you are willing to play till 40 we will carry you at this rate till then; or it’s the next guy’s problem.

  9. Ian Cobb says:

    By the way, Horton done for the season! YES OR NO.?

  10. Sportfan says:

    @Timo I want to this this is the end is it worth it ?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  11. Ian Cobb says:

    Went to the store to buy some nice fish for supper this morning. To expensive or it came from China. So I am hooking up my boat! and left a note.

    Gone Fishing!! be back with supper!!


  12. Timo says:

    Wondering when Carbo’s truth going to come out.

  13. Dunboyne Mike says:

    This year I only saw Tampa when they played the Habs and so didn’t see enough to answer this question:

    Has Vinny deteriorated to the status of pure salary-albatross or is he someone who could rekindle something of the old flame if there was the proverbial change-of -scenery?

    • Cal says:

      Too banged up to be effective after Christmas every year (excepting this one- which started Jan 19)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      He’s still a very effective player. He can be a point-a-game player, or nearly so. I’ve had him in my hockey pool for the last couple of years at least, and he’s productive. Trouble was he got injured both seasons, and with the missed games and then getting back up to speed, it hurts his stats.

      He’s still a big, strong centre, has excellent offensive skills, plays hard, is extremely well-conditioned. So the only issue is his cap hit, which is disproportionate now, but will be scary when he nears 40.

  14. Fransaskois says:

    For those unwilling (or incapable) of doing the math, this game was three overtime periods longer than the first game of the 2013 Stanley Cup Finals. The Montreal Canadiens were not a part of the first game of the Stanley Cup Finals solely because of Carey Price’s new pads and jock strap.

    I bet none of you expected to come here and learn something so profound.


  15. Habfan10912 says:

    I nominate this day as the most humorous day ever on HIO and most of the credit goes to Dunboyne Mike. Great job all!

  16. commandant says:

    Marc-Olivier Roy, a Blainville native, who played for his hometown team, the Armada in the QMJHL

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • Fransaskois says:

      “He came into camp this year for the Blainville-Boisbriand Armada notably bigger and stronger than he was in 2011.” At 168lbs? Poor kid’s got a tape worm or something. Love his speed and shot though. Might be a good home-town pick up at #55 if we miss out on Poirier and Dauphin.

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    So in all seriousness.

    Habs have a lot of money.

    Many teams that don’t have disastrous contracts on their books (Lecavalier, Di Pietro, ).

    Is there any scope for trading for and then buying out one of these players in exchange for a draft pick or prospect.

    • krob1000 says:

      It is an interesting idea that was mentioned on the other thread…if it is legal under the new cba then it culd very well be used as a means of doing something from someone.

      • commandant says:

        It is legal… but consider this.

        The cap is 64million.

        The buyout on a Dipietro is 24 million.

        Thats a hell of a lot of cash to shell out to get a prospect and/or a pick, even for a rich owner. Who are the Isles gonna give up realistically.

        Tampa Bay too.

        Go Habs Go!
        Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          If you got Tampa’s 3rd overall pick, that is almost a guaranteed gamechanger. Vinik the owner in Tampa is an investment guru, I doubt he grew up wishing and praying he could own a hockey team. Money and hobby are probably his priority in owning an NHL team.

          The biggest problem Tampa has is the owner doesn’t want to spend to the cap, and they are restristed by the huge contract to Vinny. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Tampa essentially sold their 3rd pick overall. They need cap friendly players and the room on their payroll to fit them in and still make money for the owner.

        • Fransaskois says:

          Doesn’t necessarily have to be 24mil that the team loses. We could potentially send salary back that we might not want to spend (i.e. Moen, Kaberle, Gionta, Markov) for the right players. Obviously NYI wouldn’t take a whole bunch of salary back (what’s the point then?) but it could be somewhere closer to 10-12mil.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          It’s a lot of money, but it’s paid out at a rate of $1.5M per year for 16 years.
          What will $1.5M mean or be worth in today’s dollars in the last year of 2028-2029?

        • Ozmodiar says:


          For Molson to recoup the money it would have to be a big name player, like JT…. and we all know that ain’t happening.

    • Cal says:

      Yes, there is the kaleidoscope. This is an improvement on the old-fashioned rose-coloured glasses, as it allows all kinds of different colours to shine through.

      With the planned Kaberle buyout, I don’t think the Habs will entertain it unless a top 3 pick is involved.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am all for that, however, it would mean one more season of Kaberle unless we can send him the other way.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      OK, if you are the owner of Tampa do you do this:

      To Tampa: Montreal’s #1, Eller, Kaberle.
      To Montreal: Lecavalier, Tampa’s #1.

      Montreal picks Jonathan Drouin and buys out Lecavalier.

  18. Timo says:

    Has anyone seen “This is the End” yet? Saw it last night… hilarious.

  19. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Hey wjc!
    Some culchie from one of the Atlantic provinces just replied to my post using some kind of metaphor. What does it even MEAN? Throw him on the list. Using freakin rhetorical figures ona freakin hockey blog.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      In this neck of the woods, we all know the Zamboni rots from the head down

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        NOT factual.
        If you’re talking about the corrosion due to the salt and chemical used in the ice-cleaning process, the rust (or “rot” if you insist) begins at the bottom and works its way up.

        Unless of course the Zamboni is in Australia, in which case it would be up-side-down and you would be correct.

        (Note: that last comment was humour, not fact).

        (Note: the above note is fact.)

        • The Jackal says:

          Good one mate!
          I like that one: the zamboni rots from the head down. Sounds like Bettman’s NHL.

          Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Cal says:

      You’re killing me, Mike! ๐Ÿ˜†
      Co-workers are starting to stare.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Not factually/literally “killing”, right?
        Should the co-workers stop staring and diall 999?
        So sorry, man. I was playing with fire, inevitable someone gets burnt.

  20. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Hey wjc!
    No, don’t worry! Not lying! No way, not after what you told me.
    Well, not on purpose anyway. And if it’s by accident, is it really lying?

    Also, you’ll be happy to see I rounded up some more non-factual postings for you and me to disparage! Here we go:

    “Bergevin has… locked up Lars Eller for the next 34 years by signing Eller to a series of two-year contracts.”
    – Chris
    (well, it sure LOOKS non-factual to me, but maybe we should run a check just in case. That idiot Chris sometimes says some kind of ok, bordering-on-factual stuff — ha ha maybe purely by accident, like my “lying”!)

    “Galchenyuk will be our #1 centreman and he will be producing somewhere between 80-100 points per season.”
    – Ed
    (another HIO idiot, doesn’t even realise the speculative, non-factual nature of his idiotic comment. I say we let rip on this guy. What do you think?)

    “Looks like Rupert Murdochโ€™s hot Asian wife Wendi Deng has been cheating on him with Tony Blair.”
    – HabsFanSince72
    (Not factual and NOT EVEN HOCKEY! The guy thinks he’s on the “People Magazine” blog! What a complete doofus! Let’s get him, rookie!)

    “Iโ€™m just worried because he hasnโ€™t pledged to give 110%.”
    – Mattyleg
    (You really have to watch this guy, believe me. I mean, percent only goes up to 100, right? He’s trying to fool everyone else with this extra 10%. Well he’s not fooling me! I am so onto that bs).

    “Is it safe to post? I have much more rumour and innuendo to spread.”
    – You Know Who
    (’nuff said. I think you already dealt pretty well with that loser.)

    “I will be heading to Chicago today anyways to discuss hockey issues with Scotty Jr. and the boys.”
    – wjc
    (Whoopsie daisy! That’s you! I was putting that down as a “non-factual”, but I guess it must be factual if it’s you! Good luck in the Windy City anyway. Bickel would be great; Shaw’s too short). Do you want me to delete this one?

    Whew! There are too many non-factual, speculative and just pure silly posts here. It would be so much better if all those perverse, misguided posters would just go away and form their own site and you and I and all the serious, factual posters could just stay here and get along with our serious, factual exchanges — what the site was set up for. Of course, it mind end up being just the two of us. But hey! Quality, not quantity. Word.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      I think you just Zambonied him.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      ๐Ÿ™‚ You’ve been busy it appears Mike! Maybe time for you to relax with a nice Guinness, watch the US Open and enjoy your Friday evening on the Emerald Isle.

      CHeers good man.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        If he’s on the Emerald Isle then he’ll know to drink Murphy’s. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          OOOH! Stout controversy! Only way to settle it is with extended side-by-side testing. There are special premises here where you can do that.

          And how do you come by that knowledge with your — I’m guessing — semi-disguised Hungarian moniker?

          • Ozmodiar says:

            That knowledge….well, more of a revelation, came from a dream that I once had – I was drinking pint after pint of Murphy’s in a pub in Cork, surrounded by hundreds, if not thousands of pictures of Thin Lizzy. It was pretty weird.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Only in Cork can you go over to Murphy’s and not have the Stout Taliban charge you with heresy for going over to the dark side.

            Of course, in a stout controversy, both sides are the dark side.

            Let me know next time you are thirsty in Ireland. If it’s during the season, we can drink sufficient Murphy’s as to neutralize the visual distortions I endure following the Habs on crappy feeds! Then you can report back to HIO about how I suffer for my allegiance!


          • Ozmodiar says:

            Damn that Stout Taliban!! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Do I hear you saying, Deep breaths, Mike, deep breaths?

    • krob1000 says:

      SO…what you are saying is that John Bellyfulls space really was for rent then right?

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Did you see how long my post was already? Geesh!
        Any longer, and I risked wjc’s and my popularity.

        And in any case, with Bellyful it’s possible he was serious. Just shop around before you rent from the first renter you come across.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Guys, please, don’t engage that condescending twit. Leave him alone, he goes away. He’s like a cold sore, pops up occasionally, defaces where he appears, then angries down and disappears.

    • GrosBill says:

      Mike, that was golden. I salute you!

  21. HabFanSince72 says:

    Sorry, but I’m not done discussing the Drewiske signing.

  22. Timo says:

    First, baby.

    Now I am eagerly awaiting DD contract extension.

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