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The Penguins didn’t need the NHL’s best player to stomp your Montreal Canadiens last night.

Pittsburgh PP comes to life

• Dave Stubbs on the absence of Crosby

“As a team, we weren’t disciplined” – Jacques Martin

About last night …

 

• Pat Hickey on the valuable (and cheap) Mathieu Darche

Pierre Ladouceur’s game analysis

Dave Molinari’s story in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Sean Gordon‘s Globe and Mail story

Northeast Division midseason report: The Hockey News

Video scout Jarred Frieman found a cute one

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137 Comments

  1. derfab says:

    We don’t go to the net, they did. The refs, of course, didn’t help.

    There are penalties on every shift. You don’t call 6 in a row on one team unless you have an agenda. 

    Pens are an nhl tipping point, pet project benefitting big time from the fact that their franchise is crucial to the survival of the expansion franchises.

  2. F Bomb says:

    I’m sure we’re all pissed that they were moking the team but Pits came there to win.  I was told that Dan Byslma was in the Pits locker room showing the Pens Price’s pose and their game plan was to go out there and shove it down his throat.  They came right out crashing the net.  Did anyone else noticed the Pens celebrating beside Price’s crease in the first?  He did the mature thing and turn his back to skate away showing it didn’t bother him, but instead of Pouliot’s slash, trip and hook, I would have liked to see the old fashioned crash the net on Fleury and make it look like an accident as payback.  None the less, Habs responded with a goal.  

    Next step, NYR BIG game! 

    Notes:

    Kostitsyn can only go up from here.  He has been brutal.

    Cammalleri has to break out at some point.

    Anyone else see Moen crack the boards with his face?    

     

  3. volcano62 says:

    If I am not mistaken, we are still 2-1 over the Pens this season.

  4. F Bomb says:

    True dat – you can’t have the Pens crashing the net and mocking your team.  I think it was after the 5th goal when Gionta mixed it up in the crease and Gomez flew in to throw one at Orpik.  I would have liked to see more of that but when your up against Cooke, Rupp, Orpic vs. Moen, Halpern, Pyatt, (Mtls bottom line) we would get crushed.   

    Penalties killed them and the PK couldn’t save them – but looking at the positive, if they didn’t take the penalties, they were stride for stride with the Pens. 

    I would like to see them take SOME chances on offence, but it seems like every time they do, they get scored on. 

  5. adam76 says:

    My point is that Price is having an all star season thus far.

  6. JSP1990 says:

    Are you high? The only reason we aren’t at the bottom of the league is because of Price. I realize people like you don’t watch games, but man that’s an ignorant comment.

  7. J Haul says:

    Wow, this has become a league of softies and cry babies. “Whaaaa… Subban disrespected us…. Whaaa… Price disrespected us.” These teams need to grow the hell up.

    The cherry on top is Gomer-Pile-looking Fleury mimmicking Carey. What a great double standard put forward with that. “How dare you insult us by celebrating a win… oh yeah, well we’re gonna insult YOU!”. It reminds me of Flyers fans copying the “Ole”. Must be something wrong with the water in Pennsylvania.

    With all the nonsense talk of Price upsetting the “Hockey Gods”, it seems that they feel the “Gods” are only offended when a Canadiens player does something offensive. It’s ok for the golden boys of the league to do it.

    I guess what they say is true, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I love that these swelled head, entitled, big babies hate losing to our boys. We must be doing something right to get under their skin. Keep crying…. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  8. volcano62 says:

    Auld is 3-2 1.74 GAA .941 (Price is .919)….whats your point?

  9. Trenton_Romulox says:

    Oh, yeah, I didn’t see that his post was in response to someone else’s until just now. Thanks for the heads up. I really need to avoid the message boards until after I’ve had my breakfast and a shower haha. 

  10. punkster says:

    :)

    ***Subbang!!!***

  11. adam76 says:

    Until Eller scores a goal and Tom comes back.

  12. adam76 says:

    Price is 21 and 15 with a gaa 2.38 – just fyi.

  13. punkster says:

    Funniest post of the day so far.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  14. HardHabits says:

    The same day that people realize that Auld is a starter.

  15. HardHabits says:

    Good essay. It shows you did your homework. 😉

  16. shiram says:

    Uh when he plays like a backup goalie I guess? Which he hasnt, and I dont forsee him playing like a backup… so really what you said has no value.

  17. joeybarrie says:

    I guess around the same time he doesnt lead the league in wins…….. OOPS sorry, he is one win away…

    Wow, there are only 2 starting goalies in the league i guess. How are all the other teams dealing with it?

    What do you think?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  18. joeybarrie says:

    With a defensive system comes a lower production rate.

    Last night we saw a breakdown from our tired TOP 2 shut down defensive pair. When I was 24-25 I could go out drinking, and come home at 3am, and still have a productive day waking up at 8am.

    Now that im 34 I tend to wake up at the same 8am, even if I went to bed at 2am. And my day is a bit tougher. You can only do so much, and things take an effect.

    You are exactly right. 7 out of 10 is good, and honestly we should be happy we did that against good team without some key players.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  19. jimmy shaker says:

    The stats don’t lie and JM likes his stats….so in the end Auld will get the start and Price will play most likely Tuesday after Auld beats the Rangers and Flames.

    Shaker

  20. Peterborough Habs Fan says:

    Price again blew this one. When are people going to realize he is a backup goalie.

  21. joeybarrie says:

    The ‘all 10 of them’ were in brackets and over exaggeratted to show that I do not believe he did them. I didn’t see anything dirty about them and I was using a bit of sarcasm.

    Listening to the Pens announcers was pretty bad. Everytime he was involved with the play they were calling for a penalty like our fans do everytime someone of our team goes down. Everything he was doing was obviously too dirty for them.

    If he was white and really as dirty as they said he would be Theo Fleury.

    I really do not think a single person is saying he is dirty because he is black. I think they are saying he is dirty because he is cocky, aggressive and telented. He wont bow down to the nonsense being spewed at him for showing the proper respect for certain players in the league.

    You understand that the more he scores, the worse it gets right?

    What do we think about how Ovechkin plays? Dirty? or just too talented for us to bear not having him on our team. It goes both ways.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  22. Graves says:

    I think he was being sarcastic.

  23. patience is a virtue says:

    Mheh to all the moaners and groaners this morning.  I expect the dooms day crew to be out in full force.  Mheh to you.  Eat my rant:

    We played solid, dare I say exciting!, back and forth hockey for two periods.  Could have gone either way.  Anyone who says we were outplayed through two just wasn’t paying much attention.  We broke down at the end of the second, and were broken in the third by a tough opponent on a losing streak, hungry for revenge on Price and his posse/pose.  lol 

    Sure, it hurts to be missing Cam (no point talking about missing Markov and Gorges because we have to accept the new normal until next season); to parade to the box; to be playing two hard games in a row after a late flight out of snow bound NY.  Forget the excuses.

    We lost.  But we hope to win on Sat, and the rest of the month sees a string of winable games (Flames, Sabres, Sens, Ducks) before the pre-All Star Break Exam vs. the Flyers.  We have succeeded admirably through one of the most competative consecutive set of games the team will face this season (Jan 2-15, the next one comes Mar 5-18).  And that’s pretty impressive on the heels of a terrible slump and the loss of Gorges.  7 points out of 10, since coming out of that slump, against strong opponents.  One more big four pointer to go, vs. the Rangers!

    Boone’s ALN summed up his take on the Hab’s horse-short defensive system built around goal tending.  Mathman statistically disagreed, stating that unlike last season we are not so goalie dependent this year, just unlucky.  His evidence: we are out-possessing and outshooting most opponents on most nights, and the goals will come.

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.  Yes, JM has implemented a defensive system which plays to the teams strengths and weaknesses.  And, as habs001 points out here on a daily basis, these horse-short forwards are scoring just a little below their respective season averages.  We are not suddenly going to break out and become an offensive juggernaut.  But I do expect to see more production from here on in as our experienced vets gear up for the playoffs and the PP continues to improve thanks to The Wiz (awesome move PG).  I expect more goals to come, not only from Pleks, Cam, Gio, Gomez, and AK but also from young guns like Poo, Patches, PK, and Weber (DD, Eller?).   

    And that is probably the most important thing to recognize here.  With 5-7 promising players (Carey, PK, Poo, Patches, Eller, Weber?, DD?) ages 20-24, The Habs are becoming a young team with good balance, excellent speed, and even, dare I say, offensive punch up front and in the rear.

    Anyone looking for a perfect team that destroys half its opponents and beats most of the rest should look for a professional sport without a salary cap system.

    I am optimistic for this season’s Habs, and more so for the next few seasons to come. 

  24. joeybarrie says:

    We have no problem on D. We have Markov, PK, Wiz, and Gorges. Hopefully they will all be back next season. This is an EXCELLENT start. Add Gill and Spach and you have a really good set of players. Thats why our GA is so great this season.

    Our problems are on attack. We are missing the key to the puzzle. AK is a low producer and we are missing one on our top line. MaxPac has been a good addition, but we are missing that 6th 25+ goal scorer.

    Pleks and Gomez make the passes. Cammi and Gio score. AK and MaxPac are our weak links. MaxPac is young, AK is unmotivated. We have the grit line, and we have the forecheckers. We need someone else who can score. ON HIS OWN, STAMKOS STYLE.

    Besides we have Tinordi. Same thing and we do not have to trade for him.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  25. Trenton_Romulox says:

    You’re overvaluing Habs players in every single one of those trade scenarios, I think. 

    But I may be wrong. Regardless, I don’t think we should give away our captain, that sends a bad message to the rest of the team and Gionta is a hard worker who motivates those around him to work harder, he has some very valuable intangibles. And it’s still a bit too early to give up on AK. He started this year really well, and yes, he’s been pretty bad for a few months now, but he will likely come around. There has to be a way to get through to him. But maybe it’s just because I like him that I’m cutting him so much slack. As for Gomez, whatever, get rid of him. He’s expensive and not worth the money. 

  26. F Bomb says:

    I like where your going with Hammer and Spach…

    Pros: yes they are veterans, lots of experience, can log ice time in a defensive role

    Cons: Over the span of a season, they get out worked and look drained from logging alot of ice time and playing hard minutes. 

    In their defence, they were not expeced to be the top defensive pairing.  I believe they were brought here to provide leadership and mentor young talent.  Unfortunately, through injuries to Markov and Georges over the last year, JM has turned to them to carry the load.  They are doing so honorably, but to the best of their ability.  They cannot be counted on to be offensive powerhouses, but more of a supporting defensive pairing. 

    Montreal has never been an offensive powerhouse and relied on timely goals and their PP.  Markov out = a decrease in production and team speed as he provided excellent defense along with a great 1st pass and vision.  Georges has been a defensive dynamo.  Steady, strong on the puck and reliable. Plays hard minutes and with him in the lineup it allowed Hammer to play in a more offensive role – driving to the net and PP time.  With them out, Hammer moves to defensive roles, decrease in PP time (which is why we saw Weber on the PP so much last night) Hammer did not have enough in the tank to play hard D minutes and PP time. 

    Now Cammi is out and an already defensive team has turned to an even more defensive role.  Aside from PK and Pleks, we don’t have guys that can beat defenders one on one, and we don’t have guys who can crash the net and take up space.  Hence we play to the points and dump it in. 

    I think we are going to see alot more of what we saw last night throughout the rest of the season.  Low scoring games and hope Price can keep the opposition to < 2 goals. 

    Needs:  Cammi back, + another offensive forward.  (we wanted that before he went down)

    Also, another top 4 D man (which we got in Wiz) but with Markov and Georges down, another top 4 would be required to limit Weber’s minutes and use him as a rover to provide a spark. 

    Simply put, to aquire what we need to be a beast in the East, is not available or would require “selling the farm” and or trading young guys or top picks.  Now, with a healthly line up – send a 1st rounder and a prospect for Penner or Fisher or a player like that.  But doing it now does not guarantee any jump in standings. 

    Folks, we’re going to have to bite the bullet and work with what we’ve got.     

  27. W35T5ID3 says:

    True…..

    =fire everbody,hire scotty…..hello #25….missed ya.

  28. W35T5ID3 says:

    YAH RIGHT …all 10 of ’em?SHOW ME!Hes not that dirty.Never in his days as a junior or with the bulldogs do i remember this fella as the dirty type.I wish he’d just score a few beauty end to end a’la Orr-like goals and shut these idiots up that say hes a mouthpiece and dirty and etc.If  he was white,are people saying all this garbage aboout him.NO.

  29. Mattyleg says:

    Be respectful.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  30. Mattyleg says:

    I have no problem with you being negative about the team.

    There are two things to consider with regards to your post (two that I will consider, anyway):

    Firstly, we were not strong last year because we had a brand new team. Complete overhaul, and the players were unused to playing with each other. They also had to get used to the new system. Add all the injuries we had last year, and you get the kind of year we had. Once the injuries cleared up and the players were used to each other, we had the kind of playoff we had.

    Secondly, our d-men are not old, but they are getting more ice-time now that two of our main defencemen are out. Add to that the rookies, and you have players who are getting a lot more ice-time. Defencemen’s mistakes are always amplified because they are the second-to-last line before the goalie. I agree that they didn’t play great last night, but they are still solid, and our goals against isn’t that bad, and our shots against is nowhere near what it was last year.

    Just keep believin’.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—


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