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The Penguins didn’t need the NHL’s best player to stomp your Montreal Canadiens last night.

Pittsburgh PP comes to life

• Dave Stubbs on the absence of Crosby

“As a team, we weren’t disciplined” – Jacques Martin

About last night …

 

• Pat Hickey on the valuable (and cheap) Mathieu Darche

Pierre Ladouceur’s game analysis

Dave Molinari’s story in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Sean Gordon‘s Globe and Mail story

Northeast Division midseason report: The Hockey News

Video scout Jarred Frieman found a cute one

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137 Comments

  1. Displaced says:

    What are we really?  The team that won two playoff series and began the season strong, or the team that finished eighth in the East last year and sits seventh in the East right now? 

    Consider this.  Carolina missed the playoffs in 2008, finished 6th in the East in 2009 and upset #3 NJ and #1 Boston and then finished out of the playoffs again in 2010.

     

    Prior to the injuries to Gorges and Markov, I think we would a 4,5,6 team in the East.  Just behind Pittsburgh, Washington, and Philly and right with Boston and Tampa.  The injuries drop us down a little bit. 

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a martini around here?

  2. Bugs says:

    Blueshirt Banter. Soobie is a punk.

    Polygonically contained, I square off as

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  3. G-Man says:

    Do you know why hitters don’t do the Babe Ruth thing and point where they are going to hit it out? It’s called chin music, and it happens every time you disrespect a pitcher.

    Celebrating with a fist pump or the like is ok because you are displaying  a “Yes! I did it!” thing. Ben Cahoon does it best after spectacular catches: ain’t no big thing. Price should have that same humility.

  4. W35T5ID3 says:

    Excellent post!Agree on all of it.

  5. shootdapuck says:

    It is incomprehensible that a team which gives so much lip-service to “team chemistry” has line combinations whose life expectancy is measured in nano-seconds!

    It should be no surprise that line changes are the hockey equivalent of a chinese fire drill!

    JM’s idea of coaching is to shuffle lines and ensure that the weakest defense pair is on the ice at the end of each the first and second periods.

    Something is rotten behind the bench of the Montreal Canadiens.

     

     

     

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  6. adam76 says:

    You show me a player who does the “word up, G” after a defection goal.

     

    Price played well and won the first game = allowed to pose

    Fleury played well and won the second game = not allowed to pose, not even to make fun of Price who started it.

     

  7. W35T5ID3 says:

    Where in the bloody hell did these stupid cammy is unhappy in montreal trade rumors start?Its rubbish.Absolute nonsense.The second he gets back on track,and he will soon,we’ll all start praising him.I dont think he dislikes it in Montreal.He did choose habs over leaf nation.If anything hes just frustraterd with his lack of production and martin’s line juggling which has thrown him off a little.He will regain his form …..i am certain of this.

  8. lavie says:

    No Gorges = weak PK ?

  9. mike g says:

    Agree…

    And some will say Price was off his game yesterday.

    But if it wasn’t for big saves in the 1st and 2nd period, that game was over.

    The way we played, we were lucky to still be in it by the 3rd.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  10. mike g says:

    And..

    Not to mention how I love how Mike Rupp is allowed to push Hamrlik into Price, causing Carey to spin out of his crease and let the Pens push the puck into the empty net.

    If that doesn’t equal “not allowing the goaltender to make the save”, then I don’t know what is.

    Saw the replay 5 times, it was a penalty. We’ve seen worse calls for goaltender interference. That wasn’t the biggest case of interference, but it was there.

    And not called. That one was a big blown call…

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  11. HardHabits says:

    mike g is Everlasting1/demigod?

  12. ed lopaz says:

    maybe I missed it, but I did not see anything from Boone on Spacek and Hammrlik`s performance last night.

    If I missed it, I apologize in advance.

    There are several guys in the league playing full time minutes as 34 or 35 year olds.

    Its not nearly as uncommon as it used to be – at least that`s the impression I get.

    I`m kind of confused why its only our 35 year olds that are always so “tired“.

    I will keep repeating this as long as I`m permitted to post on HIO.

    This team struggled last season – we were NOT THAT GOOD during the regular season.

    We gave up tons of shots, could not clear our zone, and could not defend.

    Our goalies saved our bacon last year.

    And Carey saved our bacon earlier this season.

    Sure we can have stretches – 2 games, 3 games,  – where the defensive system combines with excellent goaltending, and we win 2-1, or 3-2.

    But with Markov and Gorges out, this team is in big, big trouble.

    Spacek and Hammrlik are at best, inconsistent. At worst, which was last night, those guys are over matched quite badly.

    Martin keeps going to the Spacek Hammrlik combo because they are so-called “veterans“.

    Its hard to watch when they play like last night. They were freakin awful.

    I know you guys are going to get “offended“ by my remarks, and get all bent out of shape that I would write something negative about this team.

    But even the coach was admitting it last night.

    The giveaways, the bad decisions, the soft play in front of our net on the penalty kill.

    Even Martin had to admit that it was tough to watch Hamrlik and Spacek last night.

    If they are too old, let`s try and rest them a bit. Or, better yet, let`s just not play them as much and give

    The Wiz and Webber more ice time.

    Subban and Gill were excellent.

  13. HardHabits says:

    Carey Price’s G-up pose and PK Subban’s disrespect

    Good on the kids drawing attention to the team. Any press is good and the Habs are getting lots of it. If the fans weren’t so passionate no-one would say boo.

    The fact is this. Price initiated. Fleury retaliated.

    PK and Price are highly regarded, that’s the message I am hearing.

    Too bad the Habs don’t have Boucher as head coach if only for the fact that he would better tap into these two young star’s potential. Martin is a good coach, don’t get me wrong. Just because something is antiquated doesn’t mean it isn’t good, of value or doesn’t work.

    Boucher is more like the hip dad urging on the young turk to realize his dream and Martin is like the conservative dad who’s telling his artist son that he should go into medicine or law regardless of how much talent he has.

    Old age has jaded me to the point where I know there is little I can do to change this, and whining and moaning wont do anything other than add a few more grey hairs on my head, but even still, there is a lot to be said for old school knowledge and often these new age types turn out to be flakey in the long run.

    Montreal Canadiens always seemed to be not very much with the times. Hockey players in general were always the least cool of sports athletes. I mean that in a who get’s the most controversial press kind of way. The Habs by extension always seemed even less modern than the rest of the league.

    Anyways my point is, that PK and Price are modernizing the Habs and the pundits are like all confused because the Habs are about ceremony and pomp and circumstance. The Habs are like the grand-father of hockey teams. It’s great to listen to gramps’ old war time stories.

  14. mike g says:

    It’s because referreeing in this league has so many standards..

    For 3 games, you’ll get a group of refs that will let you do it, then you’ll catch one that won’t.

    Same thing for defenseman. Look how many times forwards get smaked behind the back with viscious crosschecks, and they go uncalled.

    Yet a tiny hook in the neutral zone does on the very next play.

    Some guys do hack more than others, but I just like to see the game called fairly. Like I said, Benny deserved what he got last night. But so did Kennedy with the slash that followed it.

    It was just a hard, cause Benny to lose the puck just like Kennedy did, but the refs don’t call it.

    That’s why I get mad when I watch hockey. The rulebook is supposed to be a standard to enforce, but instead it’s used as a guideline.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  15. mike g says:

    A shootout win in Jan is just as important as one in March…

    Ask last years Rangers about that.

    And I’m sorry, but they don’t have to be highlight material. Bottom line is, Price played great that game and in the shoout. No matter how you analyze those saves, they were the main factor in allowing his team to leave with the 2 pts when it was all said and done.

    So, just like some players celebrate deflection goals in OT, or when they poke in a loose puck and then go jumping on the glass, highlight reel material isn’t needed.

    Big time performances or being an important factor in the game is what usually allowes altheletes to celebrate.

    And Fleury wasn’t any of those last night.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  16. avatar_58 says:

    I like Pouliot but someone needs to tell him to keep his damned stick on the ice. Plekanec too. There is ZERO reason to have it horizontal, and you shouldn’t be slamming it against the opposition. Yet they both do it 300 times a game. Eventually they get called, and in Pouliot’s case it cost us a game.

    KEEP YOUR DAMNED STICK ON THE ICE. If you can’t catch the opposing player then maybe you need to work on your skating, not try to take his wrist off.

  17. mike g says:

    Why do they HAVE to put that up on the board?

    Why is it ok for a player to celebrate like crazy after a big goal in OT, but a goalie can’t show any emotion after shutting down a 5 man team in the shootout?

    Please explain why that’s so wrong, and why payback must be given for the gesture….

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  18. adam76 says:

    So a shootout win in Jan where none of the shots were highlight saves is cause to pose?

     

    Agree to disagree.

  19. adam76 says:

    Yes that is exactly what he is saying – he is also saying there is a league wide conspiracy at every level of the NHL to help the Pens.  He also explains that 9/11 was an inside job.

  20. mike g says:

    What a shot by Bugs’ boy Poulioo last night….

    Fleury didn’t even see the smoke behind it.

    And enyone else notice how Benny got smoked with a slash right before he shot?

    I had no problem with calling Benny’s slash. It was there, and he deserved to sit for it. But Kennedy, the player who Benny slashed, turned around and gave him back the same type of treatment. Just as hard, and Benny even lost the puck for a second before getting it back and shooting it.

    But of course, like usual, when you play vs the Pens, your calls get magnified by 1000 times, and most of their’s simply go unnoticed.

    And to quote Kris Letang after the game last night, “We know we can win without Sid”.

    Um, yea, great stuff Kris. You’ve won 1 game out of 4 without him. That’s about the same winning percentage as the Islanders have every 4 games.

    So, great quote…..

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  21. G-Man says:

    You don’t think the Pens had that picture of Price’s pose in their dressing room? “Showing up” the other team brings consequences. The Pens have way more firepower than the Habs (so do 23 other teams for that matter), so scoreboard pointing and crap like that shouldn’t be happening. The Habs aren’t so good they can rub other players’ faces in it.

  22. mike g says:

    Um, no…, not what I’m saying…

    What I’m saying is that Price earned the shootout victory. He stoned 5 straight Pens shooters and player and very solid game that night. There was a great performance behind the celebration.

    As for Fleury, he hardly got tested yesterday. Made routine saves, and his team got over 14 minutes of PP time. He had an easy day in his crease, and wasn’t even a factor in the win.

    See it as if Max Talbot would’ve done that last night. He was a non-factor, and did nothing big to influence the outcome of the game. It would’ve been wrong for him too. But if Goligoski would’ve done a celebration move during the postgame celebration, fine. He earned it, scored 2 goals and added an assist. He performed big and influenced the game.

    Fleury’s celebration was like someone pulling the Danny Briere goal celebration after getting an assist on a goal. You just don’t do that.

    I have no problem with guys celebrating, just pick your spots when you’ve earned it.

    And Fleury himself didn’t have any reason to celebrate his performance last night…

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  23. Mr.Hazard says:

    Ron Wilson’s cash incentive: how retarded is this guy? I realize it was b/c of the 600th win and all, but it basically amounts to a coach bribing his players!

  24. Hobie Hansen says:

    Montreal looked dead tired last night and as a result took a bunch of bad penalties. So they don’t need to fire the coach or trade away half the team. It can happen to every team after back-to-back games…enough said about that.

    However, it would be nice to have a guy on the team that could at least answer the bell against guys like Orpik, Rupp or Engelland. If the team is dog tired and isn’t going to win on the scoreboard they could at least win a couple of fights. Subban fighting is just stupid.  

  25. Graves says:

    A few thoughts about the game…

    -Those six-odd minutes of end-to-end hockey in the second period left me utterly depressed. Why? Because they reminded me of exactly what I don’t get to see every time I tune into a Habs game. Yes, the coaching staff is probably right to stick to a defensive, play-to-our-strengths kind of game, but damn, those six minutes were friggin’ fun! Can’t there be some kind of happy medium? I feel like I’m watching vintage Jersey or Lemaire-era wild Wild most nights, and it’s really getting me down.

    -The Habs are down Markov, Gorges, and now Cammalleri. That hurts, and it showed last night. There’s only so far this team can go before all these injuries catch up to them. Yes, the Penguins were down Crosby, but when you take away a team’s top two defensemen, plus its top winger, you’re bound to be in for some long nights. The Pens don’t really have a top winger worth taking away, but where would they have been last night minus Letang and Goligoski?

    -It’s unbelievable just how many penalties this team takes when you factor in how physically soft they are.

    -I don’t mind Fleury’s pose at the end. In fact, I like it, because it adds some more fuel to an already pretty heated rivalry. Besides, if the guys can’t take it, they certainly shouldn’t be dishing it out.

    -I liked Pouliot last night, despite the minors. And I really liked Darche, which is fast becoming a recurring theme.

    -I try to like Jacques Martin. I really do. But would it kill him to show some – any – emotion? I know I’m beating the desiccated corpse of a dead horse, but I’m dying here. I’m not asking for a Tortorella-esque explosion, but give me something. There was one moment last night when I thought he was about to rip the team a new one for their soft play. Then he yawned, scratched his ear, and went back to looking mildly perturbed.

    Bottom line, last night was a terrible loss in which all the problems and deficiencies we knew this team had stood out all the more glaringly. I still think they’re capable of making the playoffs, even with all the injuries. Moving beyond the first round with no Markov and no Gorges, however, is a tall order.

  26. HabsFanInTampa says:

    So what you’re saying is, Price “poses” last week after the shootout win and it’s okay. Fleury “poses” after the Pens win and it’s not okay? What a novel concept.

  27. Seps says:

    Price won that game, stopped 6 in the shootout and stood on his head.  He wasn’t taunting Pittsburgh, just celebrating a great W for him.  It’s people like you who are blowing this way out of proportion.  You should join TSN.

  28. jimmy shaker says:

    Price won’t rebound vs the rangers on saturday night….auld will get the nod 100%.  Price will probably get the sabres on tuesday.   If Auld wins on sat, he gets the flames on mon and carey gets the sabres on tues.  Price has a good record vs the sabres so for sure he gets them on tues, and mondays tender will depend on how good auld plays sat night.  I liked pouliots game last night, stripes calling chincy penalties time and time again……I wish they would remember that this the nhl, a man’s league with the best players in world skating, not little girls out there that need every chincy play called.  Disgusting stripes as usual.  Not blaming the refs even though they sucked.  The whole team sucked in the loss last night.  And JM shouldn’t have changed the lines, you are correct.

     

    Shaker

  29. G-Man says:

    Think maybe Price should win something before “posing”? He gave the Pens extra incentive. Not a smart move. You don’t diss the other team ever.

  30. CanadienBoy says:

    Up to 12 scouts at the Chicago games ,Seabrook could be available he’s making 3.5 mil last years and will be looking at 5 mil type  Cammy moneys


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