Sergei seems good as gone now

Sergei Kostitsyn did not participate in this morning’s game-day skate at the Bell Centre, the enigmatic forward told by head coach Jacques Martin to simply train in the gym. So it’s another healthy scratch for SK74, who seems less and less likely to ever play another game with the Canadiens.

Veteran Bill Guerin returned to Penguins ice, reported by RDS to be suffering from an elbow infection. Jordan Staal also skated and appears to be headed toward seeing action before this series is done, perhaps as early as tonight. Quite a comeback, considering there were reports five days ago that foot surgery had ended his season.

356 Comments

  1. ManApart says:

    Well, he was around the whole time right? He basically was the guy who communicated with all the players with the two mutes, Gainey and Carbo around. Personally I put most of the blame on Lats himself, for  having a bad attitude and not playing harder to earn his what he thought he deserved.But my point was, if you want to blame coaching, you can’t really blame JM, you would have to blame the other 3 guys.

  2. Jeff says:

    Here’s a good laugh, both sisters will be playing on a line with Grabovski next year, they all speak BelaRussian.

  3. Jeff says:

    Right on Manapart, it’s certainly not JM’s fault for Latendresse.

    or the others before JM’s time, he’s got this team into the 2nd round without much talent, give him a break!

  4. krob1000 says:

    well….he did prefer to be traded then to play with them so I kinda see where they wouldn;t be the friendliest to him…. at the same time I see where Sergei got mistreated from the get go and repeatedly so I see his point.  At this stage all you can do is hope time heals all but it seems that some of the vet players and the coach would prefer for that to not happen.  Sergei is a kid and has obviously received no support here…..guys on his own team are out to get him, he is probably having an awful time getting thorugh every day knowing guys don;t want him around…it hs to suck…and to think it all started because of a stupid media story and for him having the nads to stick up for his bro……then to trya nd play through his injury in training camp ….I side with Sergei on this whole ordeal and do so in large part to the recurring pattern we are seeing with the organization.  Sergei has never been a problem anywhere else…so that he all of the sudden became trouble here seems a little off no?

  5. Storm Man says:

    How could you even think about blaming Muller for anything to do with Lats.

     

  6. HabFab says:

    Hear,Hear!!

    Last game is a perfect example.

  7. Mats Naslund says:

    Yeah, Ovechkin lacks passion? Are you kidding me? How hilarious a generalization to make about Russians when our leader and best player for the past 5 seasons at least is a Russian. Markov has been a warrior for so long and Canadiens fans continue to crap on his ethnicity. Joe Thornton is Canadian. Is he more passionate about the game than Gonchar? Gonchar has as many Cups as Crosby does. Sergei’s problems don’t stem from being Belarussian. They stem from a) a lack of maturity needed to handle the shifting roles associated with being a young NHL player b) a lack of communication skills between himself and management to ensure that situations such as this don’t become problematic.

    Everybody was all in favour of throwing the Kostistyns under the bus a year ago when stories were fabricated about their ties to the mafia. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that people are still hard-wired to think the worst when its a Russian we’re talking about.

  8. Fansincebirth says:

    I was at the ‘Dogs/Baby Sens game in Ottawa and I was impressed with the way SK played and contributed.

    One thing I did notice and it stood out like a sore thumb was that he did not communicate on the ice or on the bench with the other players. Went out, did his thing, wnet back and sat on the bench and waited for his next shift…..strange.

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  9. CERF says:

    so,so true.. this sucks

     

  10. ManApart says:

    JM’s always the scapegoat eh? Latendresse was with JM for half a year. If anything blame Gainey, Carbo, Muller for Lats.

  11. TripleX says:

    A team can gain inspiration and confidence from a hot goalie.  Think some of the desperation and willingness to sacrifice doesn’t come from knowing your goalie will make all the saves?  Having Halak in net the boys KNOW they always have a chance to win and play like it.  Confidence is 90% of sporting performance.

    Assuming that last years team would only score the same 5 goals with Halak in goal is a big jump in logic.  We have witnessed this year how the team plays different with each goalie in net.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  12. Les Habitants says:

    Never said all Russians.

    Just seems to me that of all countries that play hockey that Russia/ Belarus have the most of these “me-first” enigma type players.

    Sure Canada has it Heatley and Comire types too but IMO nowhere near the amount form Iron curtain.

    The Habs themselves have dealt with 3 now in the last 3 years starting with Perezhogin bailing, Then last year with pavel valentenko lying about family illness to defect to the KHL, and now its Sergei.( And don’t forget Grabo the clown, now with the leafs)

    Sure not all Russian are cut from the same cloth, but you can’t compare there hart for hockey to Canada’s IMO

     

    P.S Kovalev was my favorite Hab when he played so it’s just an opinion, not that I hate Russians

     

     

    The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!

  13. Chuck says:

    You can’t win, regardless of how well your goalie plays, if you don’t put the puck in the net. Goaltending and defense only determines how few of them you’ll need.

    _____________________________________

    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  14. wotever says:

    I think Halak made a lot of progress this year, so maybe.  But I think it was more about scoring than goaltending.

    You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.

  15. nick says:

    Well given that AK is one of the few guys on the team capable of netting a hat trick… It’s my amature opinion there might be a reason to play AK over one of the call ups… but thats me.

    Lets go with your idea, not play AK… and stick Maxwell their instead. Oh ya… now we’re talking!

  16. habs03 says:

    I wonder what Russian think of NA players playing in the KHL, maybe the reason for the lack of passion is the connection to the game, ex you can see Cammy connection to the nhl, you think he would be this passionate playing in the KHL, just wondering if maybes that’s the issue.

  17. Chris Aung-Thwin says:

    great post.

  18. linp says:

    Did you watch the game? The shots on goal was 13 to 3 in the second period. They dominated the game completely. Our team looked tired.

  19. krob1000 says:

    …….and coaches and management are also supposed to act like professionals no?

    why did he go to the minors?…I saw those exhibition games and he played his way back onto the team despite being recently recovered from shoulder surgery…..this team has had it in for him since some media moron created a scandal out of nothig and Sergei took the fall for a non controversy…..that is when this all began and that is where the relationship really died…..taht and when he was benched and scolded for trying to defend Andrei when NOBODY else would aftter he was clobbered with a ridiculously late hit. Between those moments Sergei probably had a hint that the organization did not care for him and he was not part of the family they allege to be.  Then he shows up to camp injured, still plays his way onto the team and is sent down again with no explanation? I don;t blame him for being pissed at all……then he comes back, plays a defensive role to near perfection, does what is asked and again gets banished for reasons unknown, he was NEVEr given a chance on the PP when a monkey could see he would be effective there, he has 100 percent right IMO to be pissed and through it all he has never let his on ice play be affected…he did wverything that was asked of him……guess when you don;t get along with the 8 million dollar man and the coach your time is done though…..what a shame…

    From a mangaement perspective if I could trade Gomez and JM straight up for Sergei in the offseason I would….I would in a heartbeat……

    Ryder, Perezhogin, Valentenko, Latendresse, Dagostini, MAxwell, Sergei Kostitsyn and soon to be Pouliot and Andrei Kostitsyn it appears, Lapierre was almost there too and may be before long….I see a common theme here…….the Habs for some reason feel it necessary to have a scapegoat for some reason.

    Sergei will have success somewhere and I wish him the best…..

  20. boris420 says:

    It’s the unfortunate truth tho. Our guys grow up knowing the importance of the stanley cup. Russian players just want the fame and the money…Obviously you cannot generalize but look at the best Canadian and Russian. Crosby won the cup last year and almost the year before. Ovechkin on the other hand…different story!

  21. boris420 says:

    I thought last game was great until the third started. Honestly I agree we don’t need to change much from last game except play 60 minutes. You will get bad luck sometimes and miss sure goals…other times the bounces will just go your way. It’s h0ckey!

  22. Chris Aung-Thwin says:

    yup.

  23. Mats Naslund says:

    What does any of that have to do with being Russian? I take it no North American player has ever had a dispute with his team before? Where did Dany Heatley grow up again? Sergei is an individual. Whether or not there is a problem with his personality is up to those who actually know him to judge. You and I have no idea. 

  24. Drive_For_25 says:

    How do you throw Spacek into that mix?  Might not have had his best season, but down the stretch and what he did play in the playoffs was top notch. 

  25. spoonfullofjelly says:

    Last year we scored 5 goals in those 4 games. We scored 5 goals in 1 game in the first round and lost. Sure Price didn’t play his best but we would have had to won 2-1,1-0,1-0,1-0……….

    Comon, Halak is on fire, but to still not realise that last year was more of being beaten by a grinding team who snuffed us out as opposed to our goalie blowing it is ridiculous.

  26. linp says:

    Latendresse is another case how JM handles young player.

  27. TripleX says:

    JM’s strategy for tonight: ” ok guys great game on Tuesday we play the same way except Cammy you score this time”…..what a dumbass.

     

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  28. Drive_For_25 says:

    I don’t think AK is cut from the same cloth as Sergei.  I think he’s all about confidence.  He looked very confident in his abilities last game and was laying the body every chance he got to keep his energy level up, I think AK has a few more flashes of greatness in store for us these playoffs.  I also don’t think Sergei is as bad as everyone thinks, just got stuck with a coach that he clashes with.

  29. linp says:

    Pyatt is useful only when we are defending a lead. He is useless when we need to score goal.

  30. Josh says:

    Martin seems to be great with young players.. I can’t wait until Boucher takes over.

  31. Fansincebirth says:

    There are a lot of players I would take before I would take Pyatt. What does this have to do with SK?

    Pyatt is playing great hockey but saying you’d take Pyatt over SK just doesn’t make any sense.

    I’d take PK over MAB.

    I’d take Marky over MAB.

    I’d take Pleks over….

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  32. terrygain says:

    Nonsense. He’s plus/minue zero overall in the playoffs.  He was plus 2 in his  second last game in 8 minutes and got to play all of 3 minutes in his next game. SK played very well with Moen and Moore. Martin is a crappy coach who is out of touch. And his teams play boring hockey. He’s not going to win with 3 lines. There’s only one reason the Habs are still playing.

  33. Propwash says:

    Something must have happened off ice. In the NHL, you’re supposed to act professional, not piss and moan cause you were sent to the minors. Who knows what else went on.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  34. linp says:

    Anyway you look at it, it is a failure from the management who can’t work it out with the K brothers. Our team would be better if both K brothers were playing to their potential. Too bad the management couldn’t solve the issue.The current situation hurts the team more than the K brothers.

    I couldn’t see our team could continue be successful with 3 lines. Our top lines will be worn out and Pittsburgh will control the game like the last two periods on Tuesday. I have full respect for our players who fought very hard and have achieved a lot in this playoff. I wouldn’t give much credits to JM. Without Halak and Cammy and some lucks, our team is long gone.

  35. Storm Man says:

    Martin told SK the system in place is the rope a dope, SK looked at Martin and said I would like to rope the dope who came up with that game plan. Martin said bye bye SK

  36. Les Habitants says:

    Why are so many Russians/Belarusians so shelf-absorbed with the “me before the team” attitude? Some much talent but so little hart. I really think this is why the ruskies did so poorly at the Olympics. Take Radulov for one example, he already bailed on the preds in a less than honourable exit and look how he sulked and turned on his team when the preverbal ” sh*t hit the fan” when they were eliminated from medal contention.

    And Sergei, with all that talent is now less valuable to us in the playoffs then Lapierre, or even Pyatt because these players play with hart and a caring for the team they play for.

    Talent is useless unless you put in the hard work and drive that everyone else on the team is putting in.

    Just seem like such a waste of talent, and IMO it all falls on Sergei himself.

     

     

     

     

    The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!

  37. ds says:

    SK has become a solid defensive player this year.  He & Gomez had good chemistry for a while on the PK when the team killed 30+ consecutive pp’s.  The guy has good offensive skills as well and is a dangerous player on the ice who is responsible defensively.  Is he affecting team morale?  That’s the only reason to bench this guy.  SK-Moore-Laps was a great line for a while this year and they had better chemistry than with brick hands Pyatt.  Unfortunately BG made 2 mistakes this off season, hiring JM & signing Spacek.  Let’s hope they win tonight with or without SK.

  38. CHsam says:

    Agree with you. Its such a f’n distraction. ugh

  39. boris420 says:

    Agree to disagree

  40. boris420 says:

    Where will the scoring come from tonight? You say this as if it was coming from him in the past games. Honestly the coach is in the best position to make these decisions and I stick with what ever he does…hey, he got us this far didn’t he? So maybe he’s not such a bad coach after all!

  41. TripleX says:

    Think last years team would have not gone further with a hot Halak instead of Price in goal?  That was Bob being stubborn nothing to do with the team.

    This years team has won 5 games and Halak was the FIRST STAR in each game.  Think goaltending might be the reason for the success?

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  42. boris420 says:

    Same here, pyatt is very determined and wants to win and wants to improve. Sergei is on a downhill slope to the KHL like all those other reject losers!

  43. boris420 says:

    Once apon a time

  44. lavie says:

    Stupid Jungle Martini! He brought up the SK controversy at a WRONG TIME!

  45. habs03 says:

    I’ll take a hard working Pyatt over S.Kost anyday, Last year team had more skill than this years team for sure, yet this year we are in the second round of the playoffs and last year we couldn’t win a game, you know, because of hard work and heart.

  46. habs63 says:

    durr

    Andrie plays so much better with SK in the lineup

  47. boris420 says:

    Everyone saying his problem is with the coach here is some proof that it’s not Jacques Martin’s fault, these go back and it’s only been getting worse since then! Sergei has the wrong attitude!

     

    price not liking sergei’s commitement:

    http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/hockey/2010/05/04/004-habs-skostitsyn-price.shtml

     

    Here are some answers to an interview with Sergei:

     

    You
    were told you’d definitely have a spot?

    Well, I wasn’t
    told I’d be on the first or second line, but I was told that there was a
    spot on the team for me and that I should get ready for the season.
    This is how it was.

    And then you were informed that you’d
    be sent to the AHL.

    Yes. And I can’t understand why.

    But you
    refused to report to
    the AHL.

    Yes, I called my agent right away to tell him I
    wouldn’t go there.

    Why?

    Because I know how
    I can play. I don’t know why I was sent there in the first place. I
    played alright during the pre-season. I don’t know why I was sent there,
    that’s why I didn’t go.

    So, you don’t see your future
    with Montreal anymore?

    I don’t think so.

    What

    did your agent advise you when you told him you wanted to change teams?

    My

    agent supported me right away, because he understood that I shouldn’t
    be playing for the [farm] club. And they agreed with me that I should be
    traded right away.

    And what were you told at the club
    when you
    didn’t report to the AHL?

    I didn’t talk to anyone at the
    club. My agents spoke with the club and talked about a trade. And it
    looked like Bob Gainey agreed to it.

    Do you know of any
    teams that are interested in you? Did your agent talk with anyone?

    I
    will talk to my agent in the coming days. I think my agent spoke with
    some teams. I don’t know yet. He hasn’t told me anything.

    Do

    you think maybe there is your fault in being sent to the AHL? Maybe you
    didn’t work hard enough? Or other reasons?

    I have
    absolutely no idea. It looked like I played alright during the
    pre-season. Initially I couldn’t practice fully because my shoulder was
    still bothering me and I couldn’t have full contact. And then I played
    in the last two games, I scored a goal. And then I wasn’t dressed for
    the very last game [of the pre-season] and right after that game I was
    told that I should go to the AHL. I just couldn’t understand at all why.

    So, in your opinion, you practiced well and approached
    your duties like a professional should.

    Yes, of course.

    What

    are you doing now? Are you keeping yourself in shape?

    Yes,

    of course. I practice on my own. I have a personal coach here with me
    as well.

    Do you think the scandal last season involving
    you and alleged ties to some criminal somehow affected your game or your
    relationship with Montreal, or the way you were viewed at the club?

    Maybe

    it did have some effect. I don’t know. It is the media writing all of
    these things. Overall 90 percent of what the press writes is not true.
    Maybe the club believed them. I don’t know.

  48. Habs_Fan_1 says:

    You’re right. I didn’t lead the reader by the nose in my previous post. I will try again.

    On draft day, you hear many teams talking about taking the most skilled players available. The thinking is that you can’t teach skill, but you can develop the work ethic and similar traits. Sergei has the former but very little of the latter.

    I was merely suggesting that there may be a concious effort on the part of management to incorporate more well rounded players on the team. Makes sense to me…

  49. habs03 says:

    Are you guys serious, I posted this under but I’m gonna say it again, I
    have nothing vs the brothers and I use to love them, specially S.Kost,
    but what do you expect, he does not want to work his way back to the
    lineup, yesterday he left practice early, and you expect to reward that
    by putting him back into the lineup, are you guys serious, the reason
    S.Kost is not in the lineup is because of Sergei, and as for his brother
    not playing well because his bro isn’t playing, very professional.

  50. zozotheclown says:

    I’m not surprised, at this point in his career he doesn’t have the talent to be a top 6, even though I’m sure at some point he will be that good, mix that with the fact that his ego won’t let him play minimal minutes, and you get this. Another one of those players who would have benefited from a much longer time in the AHL, we brought him up too soon just so he could play with his brother.

  51. TripleX says:

    Even I can’t believe JM and the Montreal management is that incompetent to throw SK in the trash over something like leaving practice early.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  52. Habsforlife 1959 says:

    AK46 will be a no show tonight. His mind will be on SK74 and not hockey. Its to bad that JM has made up his mind in not playing SK74. Might as well bench AK46 after his 1st shift tonight. Were will the scoring come from tonight? Could be another goose egg in the oven? Hope not? Habs will have another short bench and could be out of gas by the 3rd period? I wonder what Priceberg has to say now? The message in on the wall if AK46 does not show up tonight. I figure management will shipped both of them in an off season trade for future considerations TO FREE UP SALARY CAP SPACE. OOOOOH A LA LA!!!!

  53. nickster13 says:

    im not an SK fan, but i still think he would be far more effective than like Darche or somebody

  54. HABS Rule 25 says:

    Martin is an idiot!! Yes Sergei acted like a spoiled brat a few months back, but if you look at his play since he was called back he’s been excellent for us. Short shifts, no stupid penalties, used on the PK, good hustle, i really had no major complaints. He has the talent and does much more than Darche or Maxwell who have been useless. I don’t understand what SK did to warrant JM’s wrath…

  55. HabFanSince72 says:

    Have you seen those three play lately?

    Are you people even watching the games?

     

  56. lavie says:

    SK was doing really good in OHL (London Knights);

    SK was doing
    really good in AHL (Dogs);

    SK was doing really good with Guy
    Carbo;

    SK was doing really good with Guy Boucher;

    SK was
    doing really good in Team Belarus;

     

    SK has trouble with
    Jacques Martini.

  57. boris420 says:

    That would be a disaster waiting to happen…ouch I can’t believe someone actually suggested this!

  58. Storm Man says:

    not much point in playing AK tonight.

  59. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why do the SK fans keep arguing that he hasn’t had a chance in the playoffs?

    He played 4 games against the Caps and he SUCKED.

  60. StevieRay says:

    I agree … I’d tell them to shove it also !

     you can also add to that .. dressing Darche and this leaving him on the bench for the “whole” game .. not one shift !.. thing how he would feel .. I ‘m curious if that has ever happened before to a Hab .. Bet not ?

  61. thebonscott says:

    Good riddance, he should have his jersey revoked, do u know how many canadian hockey players would give their left nut to put on a habs jersey and play their heart out, just look at tom pyatt, they are out there, also his brother taylor is ufa this summer, would be good on the 4th line, those are brothers i can handle, i think andrei may be untradeable, so prob just as well to buy out if can’t trade, it is embarassing to the organization to keep him.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why look for something off ice?

    His on-ice performance is all you need to understand why he is benched.

     

     

  63. nickster13 says:

    probably, but unless this thing is significant then he should have gotten or should get a game, lets be honest here, everyone takes games much more seriously and their attitude changes for big games. Lame situation!

  64. Treefingers says:

    Martin is a total moron.

    How good would a SK-Metro-AK line be?? I mean come on…

  65. Mats Naslund says:

    Markov, Halak, Hamrlik, Plecanek, Andrei Kostitsyn, Spacek…… you’re right all a bunch of trouble makers.

  66. TripleX says:

    I can’t believe the organization would trash a talent like SK over a petulant attitude.  I think something must have occurred OFF ICE and it is serious.  Hopefully the full story will come out after the playoffs.

    What is it with young players and the Habs?  I pray PK Suban is properly mentored when he comes up full time next season.  Price, SK, Lats, Laps and looking like Pouliot lately.  How many more must be damaged before management wakes up?

     

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  67. Kooch7800 says:

    I think there is more going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about

  68. Habs_Fan_1 says:

    The team seems to have more of a North American core than in years past. Coincidence or not, Sergei’s roller coaster ride is a good example of why that may be occurring.

  69. Mikey_39 says:

    We keep complaining about Andrei Kostitsyn, but it must be pretty tough on him being on a team that clearly doesn’t want your brother.  I mean seriously put yourself in his shoes…That’s a huge distraction to have.  I’ve always loved sergei, but i Really feel bad for andrei, especially since he doesn’t speak english that well, so his brother is kind of the only person he really has

  70. alestar says:

    You can’t help someone who won’t help themselves…

     

    XXIV…and counting

  71. nickster13 says:

    This makes no sense! At least give Sergei a chance to play in a meaningful game and then make that decision, its not fair basing if they play on practices since they dont mean anything. He should have gotten a real game to prove his coach wrong, Sergei is stuck between a rock and a hard place

  72. Velavok says:

    If your not buying into the team concept at this time of the year than you probably never will. You would think his stint in hamilton would have provided some education for the guy.

    We don’t need passengers, good on JM for keeping him away from the guys that DO care, and DO sacrifice.

    Trade him to the leafs for a 3rd rounder so he and Grabovski can renew acquaintances.

  73. Mats Naslund says:

    Piss-poor management of a kid who could have really helped us. 


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