Scott Gomez signs one-year deal with Panthers

Scott Gomez’s NHL career isn’t over yet.

The former Canadien, who will turn 34 on Dec. 23, has signed a one-year contract with the Florida Panthers after posting 2-13-15 totals in 39 games with the San Jose Sharks last season to go along with a minus-10.

“Scott is a veteran centre who adds further depth to the middle of our lineup,” Panthers GM Dale Tallon said on the team’s website. “He is a quick and skilled forward, with a wealth of hockey experience, including two Stanley Cup titles, who will be a leader for our younger players.”

The Bodog betting website has the Panthers listed as the biggest longshot to win the Stanley Cup next season at 150-1 odds. The Panthers make their first visit to the Bell Centre next season on Sunday, Dec. 15.

The Canadiens bought out the last two years of Gomez’s seven-year, $51.5-million contract on the first day of training camp last season.

Former Canadiens GM Bob Gainey acquired Gomez – and his contract – from the Rangers before the 2009-10 season in a seven-player deal that sent 2007 first-round draft pick Ryan McDonagh to New York. McDonagh, a defenceman, posted 4-15-19 totals in 47 games last season and was plus-13.

In 941 career games, Gomez has 171 goals and 530 assists for 701 points.

(Gazette file photo/Dave Sidaway)

446 Comments

  1. frontenac1 says:

    Gotta hand it to Popp. When he makes a mistake(Hawkings) he pulls the pin fast. You could just see the Lads were lost out there with that new cock-a-maimie “system”. Go Als Go!

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Popp is a crappy coach. He’s a better GM. Last time he tried this move he stunk. Why not just hire a coach with CFL experience?

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      “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
      Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

      For Your Life

      • von says:

        I’m kind of surprised Doug Berry wasn’t the replacement since he’s an adviser. But ownership canned Hawkins so it sounds like it was their decision to have Popp take over.

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        “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

        • ZepFan2 says:

          Popp could have easily reminded ownership what happened the last time this experiment was tried.

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          Ka is a wheel.

          “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
          Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

          For Your Life

  2. Habfan17 says:

    I thought that the Habs held two development camps last summer. Does anyone know if they are holding a second one this season?

    Anyone hear anymore news about MB trading for Kyle Clifford?

    Habfan17

    • von says:

      I think you’re talking about the rookie camp that takes place right before the main training camp opens? There’s no more camps until September.

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      “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Last season there were two camps, one for players already drafted, another for the new draftees, some invites, and a couple of NCAA dudes who couldn’t make the first one. I’m not certain but I think that had been the practice for a couple of years under the Gainey régime.

      This year, the brain trust went with only one camp, everyone in Brossard at the same time, which is what Marc Bergevin was used to in Chicago. An unwieldy number of players, they couldn’t all play in one game, there were three teams, but it seems it was successful.

      I remember last year there were some questions about why Trevor Timmins was on the ice working these guys, and whether that was really his baileywick, but with the beefed up hockey ops department now there is plenty of coaching talent in Hamilton and Montréal, and that wasn’t a concern this year.

  3. secretdragonfly says:

    Not hockey-related but a welcome distraction from the Gomez thread and general lack of NHL news. The Alouettes just fired their new coach (god I miss Trestman)
    http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=428903

  4. habsfan0 says:

    Als’ coach canned.
    That was fast.

  5. Ian Cobb says:

    151 HIO members will attend this years HIO Fan Summit.

    I have ordered all our tickets, now to organize the rest of the weekend.

    ITINERARY & LOCATIONS
    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Wear you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame and Bell Center Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, we will have donated over $10,000 to different children’s charities. This year we are supporting the Mtl. Canadiens Children Foundation.

    Then our wonderful Baton Rouge Restaurant pre game dinner.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Bell Center and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Everything is walking distance, so park your car for the weekend.
    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125

    Ian Cobb
    63 Village Dr. Belleville Ontario. K8P 4K2
    613-968-9807

    • Geezerfan says:

      Great job Ian. We introduced ourselves by phone a few days ago and I just want to post this so you will recognize my username if I post again. Cheers.

      BTW I have been a registered member since this board started and have read almost every one of the entries the members have submitted.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Sounds like it will be a great time, as usual Ian. Thanks for all your hard work!

      So I will probably make Hurley’s on Friday, and for sure I’ll be at the Baton Rouge on Saturday for the dinner/raffle….

  6. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    All the time I was growing up, I had to listen to old men who were angry the NHL had expanded past six teams, with their constant refrain about watered down hockey. They probably had a point, but there were more than enough really talented players to make a 12 or 18 team league.
    Now I look at Gomez being signed, and I see most of the NHL one or two injuries from the abyss because there is no real AHL anymore – I think their point has arrived. Then again, judging from what my right knee is up to, I am probably an old man now too…
    The Gomez signing represents more than a simple personnel choice – it shows why a little contraction would have done hockey a lot of good.

    • doc359 says:

      Okay, Gomez isnt exactly a $7 million player anymore, but he isn’t an AHL scrub either. He is a former 60 point 1st line center who will serve very well as a 4th line veteran to take some of the defensive minutes and help the panthers young crop of centers by having a steady veteran presence.

      Just caused he sucked for $7m doesn’t mean he isn’t a good role player for $900K

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He fits on a team like Florida for vet leadership but won’t last more than this season. He will only get one year deals at low money and will bounce around from team to team look to add vet leadership in their room.

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Each NHL team has only 5 or 6 NHL caliber players today. Why do you think the teams in the play offs, play with only half their bench.!

  7. Ed says:

    Before last season had started, since the 2008 draft, (5 years is usually the amount of time people use to judge a draft), we had produced very few NHL players who had played very few NHL games.

    Leblanc has been injured -2009, had played 42 games

    Galchenyuk came to us because we absolutely tanked a season, and he is a homerun.
    Gallagher was a great surprise last season; I didn’t even think he would make the team.

    So the prospects SINCE 2008 to actually play NHL games is relatively bare.

    We can now add Tinordi to the NHL; and Beaulieu is right behind him.

    And there will be others for 2015, 2016 NHL seasons.

    But the 2008, 2009 drafts were not successful ones.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Gainey traded away a few too many picks. He thought more like Glen Sather rather than like Lou Lamoriello.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

      • Chris says:

        Trading away your 1st or 2nd round draft picks is perfectly okay for a year or two if you think you’ve got a contender on your hands. Based on the 2007-08 season, Gainey was justified in thinking that he did. Unfortunately, things didn’t work out.

        Without risk, there is no genius.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          It was a series of decisions that ultimately lead to a glaring lack of depth in the system: using a first on Fischer, trading a first for Gomez, trading a first for Tanguay (and a second). New Jersey traded only one first for Schneider. Gainey overpaid in at least a couple of trades.

          “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

        • krob1000 says:

          If he were “adding to” it may have made a little more sense…but he was losing Koivu and this was his replacement. It was a dark day and I have been all for some of the teams attempts to buy at the deadline and am ok with giving up picks to sterengthn…but giving away assests to move sideways is not good practice. Add to that another dismantling of the teams core and another rebirth and you get what the team had in the days of the annual captain kickings…..it seems Montreal likes to rip apart any sense of organziational pride and tradition anymore.

    • Habfan17 says:

      It is too early to say that the 2008 draft was not successful. Kristo just left university and Quailer had his first pro season in Hamilton last season. I have read that if a team finds two players in a draft that make the NHL they are doing well. In 2008, the Habs only drafted 5 and did not have a 1st round pick. It is also too early for 2009 in my opinion. Bennett is still in University, Nattinen was injured last season as was Leblanc. If they all make it that is 3 out of 8 players and if you add Dumont, that is 4!

      Habfan17

      • commandant says:

        Yeah 1.8 per team is the NHL average.

        Considering that is an average… and we drafted three studs plus a fourth NHLer in 2007, you are bound to have an off year here and there.

        Escpecially when you trade away your first rounder as we did in 2008 for Tanguay.

        Go Habs Go!
        Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
        http://lastwordonsports.com/

        • Habfan17 says:

          @ commandant. Thanks for the info on the NHL average.

          Overall, given the draft position the Habs have had, I think Timmins does very well. I checked out this site to see who was drafted.

          It looks like 3 out of 5 picks in the 2010 draft have a very good chance to make it. The 2011 draft class also looks to have some solid prospects. As does 2012.
          Cheers!

          http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MTL/draft.html

          Habfan17

  8. 24 Cups says:

    It’s the 1st of August which officially begins the dog days of August in terms of NHL news. Even less for the Montreal Canadiens. If we’re honest, there’s really nothing left to talk about. I’ll see you on the other side of Labour Day once training camp opens up.

  9. mksness says:

    On Drafting… habs over all have been pretty good as the numbers suggest. However, most of the top talent comes from the top 5 picks so that pretty much means that in order to find top end talent in the later part of the first round or second round you pretty much have to get a lil lucky. Lucky by a team infront of you has to pass and make a “mistake” and you have to pick up that player.

    I know a lot of people are critical of the price selection. At the time kopitar, best rated eurpean skater and marc stall were still on the board. Alot of people questioned the selection because that habs did pass up on two very good players. kopitar dropped to 11th because he was from a non traditional market. Habs did all right with price, he’s not the saviour some people make him out o be but he’s a solid goalie. just remember, imagine minnesota picked him up and we drafted pouliot…wow…

    • 24 Cups says:

      I never give credit for drafting when a team is in a position to pick in the first four spots. Any team could have selected Kane/Toews, Stamkos/Hedman or Nugent-Hopkins/Hall. The real kudos should go to the players who are mined further down the list. There is no better example than PK Subban. Claude Giroux would be another. Weber and Bergeron back in 2003.

  10. 24 Cups says:

    Scott Gomez’s deal is one way for a salary of 900,000. That means his total NHL income for the past ten years is around 57.7M.

    The remaining UFAs are: Boyes, Brunner, Bryzgalov, Garbovski, Lats, Morrow, Mueller, Prospal, Raymond, Thomas and Ryan Whitney.

    • habtastic74 says:

      Seeing as he’s still only 25 years old I am pretty surprised that nobody has picked up Mueller yet. If he fit our needs (which he doesn’t imo) I would want him as a low risk/high reward pickup on a one or two year deal. If I were Florida I’d rather have him than Gomez, and many other lower end teams with roster spots to spare should be interested I think.

  11. Lafleurguy says:

    P.K. Subban is the one Hab draftee all other teams wished they had drafted (they all had the opportunity) and the first such draftee since Patrick Roy. (still have a morning fog in the head region but I can’t think of anyone else since King Patrick, and I did remember Andrei Markov)

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  12. JohnBellyful says:

    I think we should use the Summit to make a statement – literally.
    Ian says there could be as many 150 people from the HIO community attending the game. So let’s do what all the other unabashed/smashed fans do when given the chance to be seen on national TV: paint a letter on their person (upper body preferably) and then stand as one, half-naked to the world, arms linked, stringing a few words together.
    Heck, with 150 characters – and everyone of ‘em lovable – we have enough to form two or three sentences.
    Actually, we could squeeze in a few more letters, if the ladies agree to do double duty and handle the ‘oo’ in words like ‘look’ or Chinook’, or one that’s probably uppermost in their minds right now, ‘boorishness’.
    We’ll need volunteers to sport a huge black dot on their abdomen. Periods, of course. Otherwise, it could get confusing (just ask Lynne Truss, author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves).
    [As for exclamation points, guys, we can talk about that later.]
    Okay, let’s suppose for now we’ll have 150 or so characters to work with. What are we going to say?

    “Members of Hockey Inside/Out are pleased as punch to be here watching our favourite team show the world the days of glory are on the way back. BTW whatever happened to Jordan Tootoo?”

    [Dibs on being the second t in Tootoo.]

    Not punchy enough? Kinda blah? Disjointed? InsipiOkay, okay, I get the point!
    How about this:

    “[FIO HIO, we won’t be using quotation marks; they’re here for presentation purposes only] Hey, Therrien, you idiot, why aren’t you using Eller on the power play instead of that smurf Desharnais? Jerkface! (Nothing personal, David. We’re just wondering, that’s all.)”
    [FIO HIO II: We won't be using italics either.]

    Yeah, you’re right, that might not get us on TV. The Gazette website, on the other hand …
    What’s that, you really want to be on television? Okay, let’s see. Hmmmm ….

    “ [Bob, I told you, we’re not using quotation marks! Quit tweeting me! I don’t care if you look good with them on!] Carey, we’re glad they kept you! Moen, you’re the best! Therrien, you’re therriefic! Raphael, you angel! Subban, hallelujah, there’s no better player! You’re okay, too, Whitey.”
    [Dibs on the t in too again.]

    Of course, in order for the aforementioned message to reach public view a certain amount of subterfuge will be necessary. If HIO members were to see the entire message in advance, a difference of opinion over content might lead to a few withholding their services at the last minute in protest. There could be howels from the vowels, and inconstant consonants.
    In which case you could end up with a truncated thought from the remaining participants: “we’re glad Subban You’re White.”
    The solution, then, would be to hand each Summiteer privately in advance a customized message to ensure his or her participation.
    Something along these lines:

    “Hockey Inside/Out is proud to have as a member,
    [insert name] [ah, what the heck, for the sake of providing an example, let’s actually insert a poster’s name, say, JohnBellyful – hey, the message works out to 150 characters exactly! Incroyable!], whose truly splendid contributions have deepened everyone’s knowledge and appreciation of their favourite sport.”

    Back to the original statement: Is that soppy bit about Price, Moen, Therrien et al likely to get us on TV? Nope, but the brawl that ensues when HIO-ers realize they’ve been duped should make the national news.

    If you have a better suggestion for the 150 characters, I’m all ears. So to speak.
    Here’s your chance, gang, to make up some lines. For real.

  13. MC's BEST #33 says:

    some teams are desperate. panthers is one. waste 900,000 on Gomez. a good young player could use that. I thought tallon was smarter than that.

  14. Habfan17 says:

    Here is a link to the Habs draft history. It will bear out that even with late round picks, Timmins has found gems.

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MTL/draft.html

    I think it is important to look at who is responsible for what. Timmins and his staff are responsible for identifying players they think will make the team. The GM and coach are responsible to make sure they are developed then used properly, not Timmins. Timmins also does not decide who to trade! Cut the guy some slack, he does a great job. Somewhere between being drafted and making the Habs, something is or was lacking.

    I think MB addressed that when he was hired and put together the player development group. Not superstar ex players, character, long career players.

    Look at where Timmins had to pick; 2008, no 1st round, 2009, no 2nd round, 2010, no 2nd or 3rd round picks, 2011, no 2nd or 3rd round picks.

    Habfan17

  15. habstrinifan says:

    Love this story: “Beer-chugging Canadian sorry for swimming to America.”

    http://cottagelife.com/72426/blogs/beer-chugging-canadian-sorry-for-swimming-to-america

    Hey Ian can we have this guy over to the Summit?

  16. Roy_s_WINK says:

    I don’t relate to any of you.

    Timmon’s is a god. Price is a champion.

  17. Un Canadien errant says:

    Anyone attacking Trevor Timmins’ acumen as an evaluator of talent and his drafting record is off base. The facts, the stats, don’t support their arguments.

    Ed Wiles of the Vancouver Province set up a statistical scoring model to evaluate NHL teams according to their success at the draft table, and here is what he found:

    MONTREAL
    Sorry, can’t explain this but the numbers don’t lie. The Habs have the highest rating in the study. In 2003, they took six players who made the NHL. In 2005, they selected four more NHLers. In 2007, four more including Max Pacioretty and P.K. Subban. The high-end talent hasn’t been there but the Habs have consistently found players.
    Average: .338. Slugging; .613. Grade; A-minus.

    The original Province article is no longer available, but it is reposted in its entirety at the site linked below if you want to read more and see the methodology.

    http://www.forumice.com/showthread.php?51206-Habs-Drafting-Record-amp-Ranking-2000-2009

    Former HIO regular contributor Andrew Berkeshire was inspired by this and made up his own more intricate model, which he felt might yield a clearer picture, and again, here is what he found:

    1. MONTREAL CANADIENS

    Slugging Points Batting % Best pick of the decade
    63.75 0.438 [9th] P.K. Subban [6 points]
    Surprisingly the Habs came out on top again. The Habs accumulated a ton of points for drafting top pairing defensemen like Subban, Ryan McDonagh and Mark Streit. They also didn’t waste their one top 5 pick when they grabbed an elite goaltender in Carey Price. The biggest problem the Canadiens seem to have isn’t drafting or development (which are the popular refrains among the ignorant), but undervaluing their own players and losing them for inadequate return. The list of players who were valued at 3 or more points that the Canadiens have traded or lost to free agency is quite long; Chris Higgins, Jaroslav Halak, Andrei Kostitsyn, Streit, Mikhail Grabovski, Sergei Kostitsyn, and McDonagh. Some of those players brought in a nice return (Lars Eller for example), but it’s a lot of depth to lose in a short time since all those players were parted with in the last 4 years.

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/4/13/2936786/evaluating-the-draft-a-new-methodolgy

    So please, all you alarmists, chew on this and see if it enlightens you a little bit. Understand that nobody bats a thousand.

    If you still want to bash Trevor Timmins, here is my challenge: tell us right now who is this year’s Andrei Kostitsyn, and who is this year’s Ryan Kesler. Don’t give us generalities, or a group of players who maybe… just come right out and tell us the name of the 2013 NHL Draft’s version of David Fischer and Claude Giroux. Be clear and tell us in no uncertain terms the name of the Hugh Jessiman of 2013, and the P.K. Subban as well. Extra points if you can tell us who is Andrei Markov or Henrik Zetterberg. We’ll put it in the vault and come back in five years and discuss it, see how smart you are without the benefit of hindsight. But it shouldn’t be a problem right, since it’s so obvious?

    • mrstewart61 says:

      Well said!

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      If a man speaks in a forest where no woman can hear him, is he still wrong?

    • habstrinifan says:

      Good morning UCE. I start my response with the fact that I have not made a single post on Trevor Timmins.. so I am not one of those bashing him.

      I am just awed by the information you reference and how instead of contributing to an inspiring sense of optimism, it leads me more frustrated looking for answers and beggars the question “then what the hell is wrong?”.

      Based on your studies and conclusions, the HABS are as follows:

      Tops in scouting. Tops in drafting. Tops in NHL calibre players. And had no problems in player development.(These are YOUR conclusions.)… And yet the slide of the franchise to where we are now… a team which has struggled to keep a 500 record for ??.

      And then you trot out this phenomenally new fangled explanation. We do all the above right but WOW do we ever ‘undervalue our players and lose them for inadequate’ returns’.

      Just as an unschooled fan who only watches games and applauds or groans I started recollecting names. Lappierre, Latendresse, Higgins, Chipchura, the K brothers, O’Byrne. I wont even look at ‘recent’ players. I started thinking about how they were ‘highly valued’ on our team (including by myself). Most were tagged as elite players here. I dont think they were undervalued here. In fact it can be argued that their stay here was extended because they were ‘over-valued’. Note that NOT ONE of these players has gone on to other teams and played the elite role which HABS fans and management predicted for them.

      Rather than inspire the information leaves me more desolately bewildered. It’s like the recent posts re Carey Price and the goaltending coaching change.

      I saw one post which said we can expect Price to reach the apex of his draft potential cause he ‘finally has a goalie coach who knows what goaltending is all about”. And I couldnt help but wonder ow with our great management and history and all the other stuff the team is so great at that we could have gone through any season employing a goaltending coach who “didnt” know what goaltending is all about.

      All I am reading from this site lately is lots of empowering statistics and EXCUSES.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        “what the hell is wrong?”.

        1. We never tanked (not that we should have).
        2. Going for it every year meaning trading prospects or picks for established players at the end of their career.
        3. Trading away players whose talent comes with a difficult personality (Ribeiro, Grabovsky, …)
        4. Firing coaches after their first losing streak. Seeing said coaches go on to stellar careers elsewhere.

        • Cal says:

          Your #4 is the most telling. There were too many 2nd year firings which, to be blunt, is stupid management. How can a coach convince you to hire him and then be crap within two seasons? That’s barely time to get your feet wet, ffs.

      • The Cat says:

        Good post.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Cal says:

        The “undervalue our players” line is funny as hell. You don’t trade hamburger and expect filet mignon in return.

    • twilighthours says:

      “which are the popular refrains among the ignorant”

      See, why be a jerk like that? I guess that’s just how he is.

      Although word on the street is he recently admitted he was wrong.

    • twilighthours says:

      I think that if a team has been bad or mediocre for as long as the Habs have been, it’s fair to critique every aspect of the organization.

      And without going through lists of players, I would suggest that other teams have done the developing of these Timmins’-drafted players.

  18. JayK-47 says:

    Panthers odds of winning Stanley Cup was at 150-1 PRIOR to signing Gomez. Has dropped to 700-1 since.

  19. FishOutOfWater says:

    SO i get to the rink to play tonight today for our game and probably the second or third dressing room conversation with my fellow habs buddy is scott gomez’s deal with the panthers. i didnt know at the time and laughed, glad its sparked a thread here.

    also i preceded to tell him that we vaguely by affiliation traded george parros for scott gomez. which is a good deal

    http://945thesmooth.tumblr.com/

  20. jedimyrmidon says:

    People somehow attributing the Habs’ lack of current success (i.e. not winning the Cup) all the way down to Trevor Timmins is laughable.

    They somehow fault him for not drafting “top end talent”. Just to get it out of the way, Price is a top end talent. Just look at the rest of the 2005 draft. The only other guy in the 1st round that could be considered remotely as valuable and drafted after him was Anze Kopitar at #10 (sorry, #11). Then there are guys like Ryan MacDonagh, Max Pacioretty and PK Subban. Alex Galchenyuk will hopefully become the best or 2nd best of that group.

    Well, why hasn’t there been even more top end talent in the Habs’ pool, you say? Name me another team that has been better at drafting top end talent using similar resources, i.e., picks, that Timmins had at his disposal. You’ll probably find that most teams that have more top end talent were consistently 1) lottery teams or 2) teams that picked near the Top 10 in each round.

    For all the groaning over the Habs’ lack of recent success, they DID make the playoffs very consistently post-2005 lockout, which inevitably meant that their draft position would be affected (i.e. drafting in the second half of each round). Also, the Habs over the past 5-6 years have made it almost a habit to trade away very valuable 2nd round picks further reducing the probability of finding ‘top end talent’. And yet, the Habs still have an astonishingly high rate of converting picks into NHLers, which, as hard as it may be to believe, is not easy in itself!

    (Yep, my post above was meant to take aim at the notion that the Habs haven’t been able to draft ‘top end talent’.)

    • Garbo says:

      Agreed, recent problem was Gainey screwing up everything TT did.

    • Marc10 says:

      It’s all Bob’s fault. He bought into the league allowing free-flowing hockey to continue. Oops…

      He let talent go that had value at the time for no return at all (Koivu, Komi, Souray…) Oops…

      And he traded a 1B Dman and spare parts for a cap black hole non-performer. Ouch… That one hurt!

      He hired inexperienced coaches… and fired them at the first hint of trouble…

      Bob failed big time. There were mitigating circumstances. He did do some things right… But it’s his mess.

      Looking to blame Timmins is a nice idea and quality baiting by master trolls, but it’s inaccurate. It’s Bob’s fault and hopefully Bergie won’t make the same mistakes. (Lord knows fixing Bob’s mess won’t happen over night!)

  21. L Elle says:

    Gomez signing on NHL.com

    My favourite comment – “He would look perfect in a Leafs jersey” ha

  22. HabFab says:

    A hockey fantasy projection for Briere;
    http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=3144

  23. L Elle says:

    Picture of Gomez *shudder*. The only way I could ever like him again is if he puts me in his will. Sorry Jim. ;)

  24. Sportfan says:

    So it took gomez to get a new thread?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  25. 1010 says:

    Can`t believe there is a serious discussion on here about Timmins ability to select NHL calibre talent. Really. The one shining star at the management level amongst a series of otherwise dismal failures. We are lucky to have him. Please, let the season begin.

    GO HABS…

  26. frontenac1 says:

    @Habsfan10912. Not an expert amigo,just saying what works for me. I already told Ian that I can’t make it up to the Saturday game due to a previous commitment. But its looking like I can make it up to Hurleys on Friday for some trouble. Look forward to causing a rukus with you Lads. Saludos!

  27. habstrinifan says:

    The Gomez signing has me wondering.. which free agent are you breathing a deep sigh of relief that we DID NOT sign.

    For me it’s Jagr.

  28. MC's BEST #33 says:

    ??

  29. frontenac1 says:

    Montreal has the best food in the country amigos. But just stick to Rare Red Meat and nothing else before you tie one on.Fortify your body. Eat all that other stuff the next day.Saludos!

  30. Denjen says:

    I seriously don’t get people who look at our team MTL then look at other teams and think thier so much better. The subject of dafting and the below comments are hilarious! someone commented earlier about the 2007 draft, yes MTL top 3 picks were McDonough, pacoiretty and Subban in that order. That’s freaking amazing! The poster mentioned players then who went drafted in that year getzlaf perry gerouix lucic none were drafted that yr for one, but take a look at Anahiems top 5 picks that yr? Then phillys? Do you recognize these names ? Here they are in order first Anahiems then phillys—–Logan Mcmillian,Eric Tangradi,Maxim Maceouneer,Justin Vaive theirs Anahiems. Not one player with more than 52 games exp. now Philly — James Van rymsdyk,Kevin Marshall,Garrett Klotz,Mario Kemp— o k you get the picture. Those two teams drafted 1 nhler! T.Timmons and company drafted 3 bonified consecutively one of which won the Norris trophy last year, the other is a top 4 defenseman unfortunately for NYR and Patches will score more goals potentially than the other players mentioned in buddies post. Case laid to rest, know your stuff before you post here because we do! Go Habs Go!

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      Timmins has been this franchise’s saving grace. I shudder to think where this team would be without him.

      • The_Truth says:

        A contender?

        I’m just joking. He has done a pretty good job. I just think he hans’t drafted a balanced prospect pool that has prevented this team from getting to the next step in the Playoffs. Of course management bears more of the blame for the ineffective make-up of the team than TT.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I for one am very thankful Timmons doesn’t draft the way many people on here want him too. If he did, we’d have the biggest toughest ECHL team in that league’s history. The only saving grace would be the first overall draft pick this, which I’m sure they’d use on Ndakumon Suh.

      Greg

  31. HabFab says:

    @bwoar – re the Price drafting. The Habs went in hoping Pouliot was still available at #5 but when he wasn’t, the argument was between Price (Trevor) and Brule (Andre Savard). Gainey had to make the final decision.

  32. Brinkley says:

    Dale Tallon was the Hawks GM when they built a Cup Champ.

    Now – he expects Scott Gomez to be a “”leader” of the Panthers young players?

    WOW!

  33. naweed235 says:

    As soon as I saw “Gomez signs with…” in a Habs uni, I thought that sentence would finish with “The Canadians”… and I truly felt happiness for a split second before reality shat all over it… oh well

  34. Saintpatrick33 says:

    Panthers must be desperate. They must have heard he was good in the room.

  35. Caesar says:

    To all the TT detractors / supporters –scouts advise and consult they do not make the final decisions. Who is to say Gainey / Gauthier did not listen to opposing points of view when making draft selections? Were there other scouts in the MTL organisation? Was TT the only opinion to listen to?

    • HabFab says:

      TT and his staff make the draft calls. The GM’s are briefed and solicited for direction.

      See the Habs record drafting under Timmins just below. You can’t make everyone happy BUT some of the complainers are just IDIOTS… plain and simple!

      • Brinkley says:

        Reality: Timmins has AT TIMES done well at the draft table (2007 was an exceptional draft).

        Bergevin & staff want to built the Habs into Champs and he has acknowledged that you can only build the core of a champion is through the draft (utelizing trades and FA signings in a suplemental manner).

        To build a championship team through the draft the Habs have to draft better than the best drafting teams in the NHL (Bostin, Chicago, LA etc.) – to date, Habs scouts have been too INconsistant in drafting and too consistent in missing higher calibre talent to compete for the Cup.

        .

        • HabFab says:

          Reality is that the drafting records of all the NHL teams over the last 11 years is 3 posts down.
          And those numbers say ??

        • Mark C says:

          Boston, LA, and Chicago better drafting teams…I’ve heard it all now.

          • The_Truth says:

            Actually Chicago has been better at the draft table.

            Saad (2nd round)
            Shaw (5th)
            Hjalmarsson (4th)
            Bolland (2nd)
            Bickel (2nd)
            Brouwer (7th)
            Seabrook (mid 1st)
            Crawford (2nd)
            Byfuglien (8th)
            Keith (2nd)
            Wizniewski (5th)

            With Kane and Toews, that draft record is almost worthy of the Red Wings of old.

            How about Boston? Lucic (2nd), Bergeron (2nd), Krecji (2nd), Marchand (3rd), Kessel (1st), Versteeg (5th), Hamilton (1st). All impact and mostly top end talents.

          • HabFab says:

            Chicago had 99 picks to 74 for Montreal. We traded too many away for temporary fills plus for the first 5 years of that they were picking from the bottom.

          • Mark C says:

            Galchenyuk (1st)
            Gallagher (5th)
            McDonagh (1st)
            Pacioretty (1st)
            Subban (2nd)
            Price (1st)
            Emelin (3rd)
            Grabovski (5th)
            Streit (9th)
            Kostitsyn (1st)
            Halak (9th)

            Yes, Montreal has drafted so few impactful players..

          • Brinkley says:

            If quantity is most important – Habs are at or near the top – how would we then explain that the Habs have rarely gone deep in the playoffs (was it 2010 round #3?)- or had trouble even making the playoffs – based upon thier draft “success”.

            If QUALITY is more important – that WOULD explain how teams like LA, Boston and Chicago have won recent Cups and repeatedly threaten to do so (while the Habs have not come close).

            The Habs missed on too many good players through then Timmins era.

            Can’t decide which I like better A. Kostitsyn over Carter, Brown Seabrook, Parise, Bergeron, Getrzlaff, Perry, Richards et al.

            Or – David Fisher over Claude Giroux – then again Ben Maxwell over Milan Lucic was also good for a laugh!

  36. Caesar says:

    @JohabsJo
    One of the best smoked meat poutines is Smoke Meat Petes in Ile Perrot off the west end of the island. The smoke meat is amazing. the poutine is amazing and the ribs are amazing. I recommend a sandwich each and split a poutine.

  37. HabFab says:

    Timmins Record Drafting for Habs 2003-2012

    NHL GP / # Top 10 / # Drafted
    1- Montréal 5035 3 top 10 74
    2- San Jose 4696 3 top 10 75
    3- Chicago 4688 4 top 10 99
    4- Columbus 4486 8 top 10 82
    5- Boston 4438 4 top 10 68
    6- Pittsburgh 4362 5 top 10 74
    7- Buffalo 4356 1 top 10 78
    8- Anaheim 4126 3 top 10 76
    9- Los Angeles 4116 3 top 10 82
    10- Nashville 4062 2 top 10 84
    11- Edmonton 3927 5 top 10 80
    12- Washington 3908 3 top 10 80
    13- St.Louis 3899 2 top 10 85
    14- NY Islanders 3889 6 top 10 85
    15- Colorado 3778 2 top 10 74
    16- Philadelphie 3659 2 top 10 75
    17- NY Rangers 3599 2 top 10 75
    18- Floride 3389 6 top 10 82
    19- Phoenix 3192 5 top 10 73
    20- Dallas 3140 1 top 10 71
    21- Minnesota 3116 5 top 10 71
    22- Ottawa 3073 3 top 10 77
    23- Caroline 3049 4 top 10 71
    24- Toronto 2671 3 top 10 69
    25- Vancouver 2574 2 top 10 64
    26- Atlanta/Winnipeg 2543 7 top 10 76
    27- New Jersey 2464 1 top 10 69
    28- Detroit 2319 0 top 10 72
    29- Calgary 1997 1 top 10 71
    30- Tampa Bay 1949 4 top 10 78

    In other words, simply the best at least in quantity. His picks have played more NHL games in the past 10 years then any other team. 28 / 74 have played at least 1 game in the NHL so far and 18 played F/T in the NHL last season. The fact that most played on other teams should not reflect on Timmins.
    Update: 17 / 74 played Juniors or NCAA and had not turned pro yet.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Your list really tells the whole story IMO. Most NHL games from one of the least # of picks. At NHL games/pick Timmons is at 66. Only Boston is close at 65.26. People have to realize that TT is head of amateur scouting, he is not GM.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  38. Plekasuares says:

    *insert gomer joke here*

  39. HabFab says:

    So another ” Idiot” online day here at HIO “sigh”

  40. Ian Cobb says:

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    Seattle NHL expansion pushed by Gary Bettman for 2014-2015 season?

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  41. Ed says:

    one of the biggest ironies that I could never understand is why Gainey rarely acquired players who played like he did.

    big, great skater, forechecking, backchecking, hard working, forwards, with grit, size,

    that was Bob Gainey, the player.

    so why was he always looking for the little guys, the Tanguays, the Giontas, the Gomez’s; always fixated on the skills and never on the size or the toughness of the forward.

    All Gainey had to do was look in the mirror and see himself.

    I know Gainey was “special”, but the “type” of power forward who can skate is what the Habs were really missing during the Gainey years;

    forwards that play the game like Bob Gainey.

    • habs11s says:

      I think that Gainey thought the ‘new NHL’ will be all about speed and skill and neglected to look at toughness or gritty aspect…

      _____________________________________________________________

      “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • HabFab says:

      The same thought has crossed my mind on occasion.
      On the other hand have some understanding to this, the way that I played made Darcy Tucker look like a choir boy. Not play I encouraged as an adult and father.

  42. habstrinifan says:

    WTF? I leave you guys ALONE for an afternoon and you are into auto-erotica.

    Bada Boom Bada Bing! Come on.. that was a good line.

    I crack myself up! Wait.. that sounds kind auto- something or other.

  43. Phil C says:

    As bad as the Gomez deal was at the time, not even the worst pessimist could have predicted the steep decline in his game. People were standing on a ledge thinking about paying $7M for a 60 point centre. If they had only known how badly it would turn out. Unreal in hindsight.

  44. 24 Cups says:

    I miss Mike Boone. A man who could say more in a few sentences than most of us could say in a week (and with the upmost humour).

    I trust all is well with the headmaster.

  45. Ian Cobb says:

    Scott Gomez,
    is coming to this years HIO Summit, in the form of a pair of his Mtl. hockey socks. What a raffle prize for someone to take back home!

    Summit News Flash!

    I have secured our Summit game tickets today, that everyone has paid for. We are all seated together.

    Final count attending the Summit this Oct 26th, is 151 HIO members.

    We are the largest group attending a game at the Bell Center by far, each year, I was told.

    I will be going to Montreal on the Thursday Oct.24th, to set up all of our events, and will be going to the Ducks (Koivu) game that night as well. Stay tuned for more news, Summitteers.

    Montreal might never be the same.!

    “Now you can start working on a raffle gift, to bring to the Montreal Canadiens Children’ Foundation Raffle.” 3pm Baton Rouge pre-game dinner. I am working on some very special guests.

  46. OK, I’ll buy that Timmins has some insights. Yet, I still can’t get Fisher out of my mind and we still have to look at the team we have now. He’s not a two year scout on our team and we have a number of holes yet to fill. A solid, crease clearing D’man that isn’t 5’10″ or a piece of Swiss Cheese (adieu Webber), a goalie or goalie coach that is in it through the playoffs (I can hear HabinBurlington getting on me now – hey, I can be an avid fan without buying into all the stories about our players. Price, I’m not convinced about his elite skill set yet, despite having a D that had serious issues in the last 11 games last year!).

    Left Winger with grit and skill for 20 goals minimum a season and two way tracking as well as a center that isn’t 4’11″ and gets bounced out of the crease if someone bigger sneezes! Not Gally of course, but he’ll get injured or lost to us numerous times if we don’t make it clear to other teams that there will be serious prices to pay for taking liberties with our up and coming stars, Chuckie included!

    If Timo can say it like it is, I can. Habs fans may not want to admit it, but as a number of outlets have made clear, Montreal is not a cup contender…yet. I hope in 2-3 years we will be after Gionta and a host of other mini-me’s and old yellers will be gone (thank them for their service, be polite yes, but call it like it is…)

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  47. SmartDog says:

    Go Scott! I mean it… go! Just ….. go!

    Dumbass.

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  48. showey47 says:

    38% of the players trevor timmins drafts make it to the nhl(best in the nhl),the league average is just under 20%. This stat goes out to all those bashing his draft record.

    • The_Truth says:

      There is a lot more too it than guys making the NHL. It’s about quality of players and the mix of prospects within one organization. Like I stated below, his lack of drafting top end talent and lack of a balanced drafting strategy hasn’t helped the Habs contend the past decade.

      • Ayyymen!

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      • kairos66 says:

        How do you define top end talent? Price, Subban, Galchenyuk, McDonagh,Pacioretty ? You must a keener eye for talent then the rest of us! Maybe you should be head of scouting.

        Kairos66

      • johnnylarue says:

        Because everyone knows drafting “top end talent” is easy when your first pick routinely happens in the bottom half of the first round, right?

        Timmins has done an amazing job of picking NHL talent given how little he’s had to work with. Blame the lack of a “balanced drafting strategy” on the GMs he’s worked for. It’s not Timmins’s job to take a blue-chip defense prospect like McDonagh and trade him for Scott Gomez.

      • JohninTruro says:

        No there isn’t a lot more to it than guys making the NHL, that is EXACTLY his job! Draft guys who can play in the NHL. His job is not to pull Crosby’s from the 2nd to 7th round, this is ridiculous. Any player beyond the first round is an absolute crapshoot (even most in the first round still are) the fact he has picked that many players we have drafted into the NHL is fantastic. But I guess your evaluation of his talent would be a lot better than MTL’s execs, who I believe just offered him a contract extension recently. No him drafting guys that play in the NHL is certainly not his role, his role is to find superstars outside of the top 5….get real guys.

      • showey47 says:

        You don’t get to draft top end talent very often unless you are a constant lottery team. Keep in mind in both the 2010 and 2011 draft the habs didn’t have 2nd or 3rd round picks, no 2nd round pick in the 2009 draft, no 1st round pick in the 2008 draft, no 3rd round pick in 2005 and no 2nd round pick in 2004. That’s a lot of good picks,hence potentially good prospects traded away. What I like about MB is that he doesn’t seem like the kind of g.m. to give away high picks unless the player he trades them for is a going to be part of the team long term.

  49. sreuel says:

    Who cares what Gomez does but this site sure does get on with it

    • Damn strait! The guy was a total bust and I’m not going to be Mr. PC and sensitive Sam here. With that kind of pay, the only thing he did for us was keep the fans guessing on when he’d score. Pfui!

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  50. 24 Cups says:

    Re the Gomez signing. First off, it’s no big deal, just like his tenure in SJ. It’s strictly a depth move. This guy is on the downside of his career with no hope of bouncing back. He’s just a mercenary who is putting in time while he counts his millions.

    I guess the first question in Florida has to be what position will Huberdeau play. Once that’s answered, Bjugstad is ready for more ice time as is Drew Shore. Matthias is a solid 3rd line pivot while Goc can handle 4th line duties. So I wonder if the Panthers see Gomez taking on some left wing duties (not a team strength) while also killing penalties.

    Regardless, when it’s all said and done I really don’t give shit. This is still the worst Hab trade since the Chelios trade (the Roy deal doesn’t count since he partly brought it on himself).

    • Habfan10912 says:

      What he said.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Agreed. But I have this romantic wish to live in a world that makes sense. Gomez finding a job doesn’t make sense.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I still think the Patrick Roy trade was awful, even if you allow that it had to happen, which I don’t. We got a bunch of nobodies in return, and I felt that way at the time. We didn’t get a can’t miss prospect or a star or a brace of solid guys who’ll fill the lineup for years to come.

      If you trade Patrick Roy, you should get a massive return. You trade Marian Hossa, you get Danny Heatley back. You trade Todd Bertuzzi, you get Roberto Luongo. You trade can’t miss Eric Lindros, you get can’t miss Peter Forsberg back, plus half the Flyers’ roster and picks and millions of dollars.

      Réjean Houle is such a cretin. There was a question earlier as to who ‘dropped the torch’. Well, Réjean Houle did, he finished the job Irving Grundman started, and which Serge Savard with some successes and some misses tried to repair.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Absolutely. Worst trade in the history of the NHL.

        Mike Milbury wouldn’t have made that trade.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Normand – I feel all four parties concerned are guilty as charged. A cooling off period followed by some diplomacy could have brought about a better result. In the end, egos overruled logic and common sense.

        The real responsibility of this fiasco still ultimately rests with Ronald Corey. Leaders need to lead – plain and simple.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I agree that Ronald Corey is ultimately responsible, and I don’t even buy in to the theory that he was pulling the strings behind the scenes. He’s the guy who fired Serge Savard without a clear succession plan, and instead hired Mister Magoo to helm his ship and watched him plow it into an iceberg at the first opportunity.

      • piper says:

        I agree. They should have let Roy sit and steam until the right deal came along. Probably could have got a s#!t load of first rounders for him.

        • HammerHab says:

          Roy had already apologized for his outburst but they told him too bad, they were going to trade him anyway.

          ———————————–

          It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

      • Saintpatrick33 says:

        For that trade the Muller and Turgeon trades Houle should never have his number retired. Doesn’t matter if he was Corey’s puppet or not he set the team back for over a decade or more. All he the good he did as a player doesn’t mean squat in comparison.

  51. centre hice says:

    If Trevor Timmins was ever fired by the Canadiens, all other 29 teams would be fighting over eachother to get him.
    He is recognized as the best in the biz. His success rate of drafting NHL players is unbelievable.
    Bergevin used to do Timmins’ job. And he knows full well that Timmins is the best. The NHL is littered with Timmins draft picks on all teams.

    • The_Truth says:

      I wouldn’t go so far to say he is the best and that 29 teams would be fighting for him, but he is recognized as knowing what he is doing. I just am not too impressed with his lack of balance in his drafting. It’s not an accident the Habs are not that great of a team during his tenure. Mismanagement had more to do with it than drafting, but lack of top end talent and glaring holes within the prospect pool didn’t help.

  52. Steven says:

    I really don’t get the Timmins hate. People are attributing the Habs’ lack of particular success to Timmins’ “failure” in drafting. Putting his statistical success at finding NHLers aside, who would you all rather have as head of scouting and drafting?

    Ever heard of “Better the poison you know?”

  53. JohabsJo says:

    Hi, so the girlfriend and I are going to Montreal next weekend, going to Biodome and the Botanical Gardens. Where’s the best place to get a smoked meat poutine?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Nowhere.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Shirham or L Ellie are the Poutine experts of HIO. As far as smoked meat goes there are many places. Swartz’s has a good sandwich last time I was there. Do ‘t get the lean cut. The more fat the better. Enjoy your trip.

    • 25insight says:

      Go to Shwartz’s on St-Laurent boulevard.

      • SmartDog says:

        Yes, best smoked meat. And they’ll slap you when you ask for poutine with smoked meat on top. Which is something you need.

        If you want to impress her with how cool you are, taker he to Cafeteria (just down the st – corner of St Laurent and Prince Arthur). Great breakfast there (cheap cheap) but great ambience for dinner. Very cool, hot waitresses, good food – the whole scene.

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        • HabFanSince72 says:

          You would need a time machine too. You’d have to go back in time a couple of years just to find Cafeteria still in business, and back to the early 90s for it to be cool.

          I suggest Spring 1993.

          • SmartDog says:

            Oy.

            I was afraid of that. Been awhile. What’s there now?

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          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Not sure but that stretch of St.Laurent really blows now. I used to live on Laval St in the 90s. It was good.

            Now it’s all kids from the South Shore wearing Ed Hardy or Affliction (males) or too little clothing (females) out for a night on the town. Like Crescent St used to be.

        • 25insight says:

          Place is called SuWu now. Owner of Cafateria was a shady guy and sold the place after collapsing under police pressure.

    • SmartDog says:

      Oh my.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      OK here’s a more complete answer.

      1) Don’t look for smoked meat poutine.
      2) In fact don’t even get poutine in summer.
      3) Downtown, Schwartz’s is the place for smoked meat but lines are long. They have a take out now, and you can just walk 2 blocks east to Jeanne Mance Park where there are picnic tables.
      4) However if you must have poutine, the unquestionably bestest most egregious over-the-top poutine in Montreal is the Foie Gras Poutine of mad genius Martin Picard. It actually tastes good too. You will need to locate the Au Pied de Cochon Food Truck which you can do here:

      http://www.streetfoodmtl.com/entity/truckdetails/1122

      Get a Bixi pass and ride over to wherever they are located.

    • HardHabits says:

      Smoked meat. Poutine. Both are awesome. Never. Ever. Eat the two at the same time.

      • SmartDog says:

        My brother went into Schwarzes and was thirsty so asked for a glass of milk with his smoked meat. The waiter hit him with a menu. Pretty funny.

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    • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

      The Greene Spot, in St.Henri at the corner of Notre Dame and Greene Ave, a stone’s throw from the Atwater market, does all kinds of things with smoked meat, omelets, etc. Their club sandwiches are very very good, a real meal, with plenty of great fries and cole slaw. When I want to get a short intense burst of that Montreal feeling, that’s where I go.

  54. krob1000 says:

    I can; tresoind to anything for some reason…oh well.

  55. Mike D says:

    Pretty interesting read over at EOTP, courtesy of Arpon Basu’s Twitter feed. I know this was a hot topic on HIO for quite some time and still gets attention when brought up:

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2013/7/31/4573380/was-marc-bergevin-right-to-sign-p-k-subban-to-a-bridge-deal

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny
    The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I still think it was the right move for both sides. Will it cost the habs more long term…yes but PK will also get his proper market value and he won;t be bitter he is being ripped off. The other thing people are forgetting is he has to go out this year and show the Norris was no fluke before they start up negotiations again. I am sure he will play well and get his big contract but I still feel it is a win-win

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Habitoba says:

      I was wondering about whether the bridge deal helped motivate Subban into proving he’s that good. Would he have had the same result had he signed a big, long-term contract off the hop? Who knows? Enough speculation for now for me.

    • HardHabits says:

      Any time Berkshire offers up a mea culpa is the time I start shifting my perception of him. There might just be hope for humanity.

  56. desertman says:

    Just read this blog on hockeybuzz posted by the Canucks blogger. Here is a little snip:

    “Top 10 players from the 2007 draft:

    1 Patrick Kane
    2 PK Subban
    3 Logan Couture
    4 Jamie Benn
    5 Ryan McDonagh
    6 Kevin Shattenkirk
    7 Sam Gagner
    8 Max Pacioretty
    9 Karl Alzner
    10 Wayne Simmonds
    HM- Carl Hagelin, David Perron and Jakub Voracek

    BEST DRAFT- Montreal Canadiens – hands down on this one. They selected three of the top 10 players in the whole draft. Now if only they held onto all of them. ”

    Then I had to read this article about gomez and be reminded AGAIN of that trade. *faceslap* I wonder if I’m ever going to get over this? I was too young during the Roy, leclair, etc trades…

    • krob1000 says:

      That draft alone makes up for Fischer and AK who are really the only question marks IMO….Lebalnc and CHips were injuries. Remarkably Chipchura had enough heart to alter his game and still make a go of it….he could have been a great 3rd line center or maybe even more IMO. Too bad that happened to him. Leblanc may still recover his top end speed…only time will tell. AK still has late first rounbd numbers for that deep draft year.

      • bwoar says:

        Leblanc will bounce right back. He came up the ranks so quick and jumped league-to-league without a pause that it seems, with hindsight, inevitable he’d have a setback of some kind (unless he was a bona fide star in the making).

        I have a lot of confidence in the kid.

        Chipchura on the other hand….

        And I asked in the last thread: with there still be a round of apologists finding ways to praise Timmins if Price flops? So far we have:

        1) He has drafted the most NHL players currently playing
        2) The Habs constantly mis-manage their young players
        3) He won the 2007 draft
        4) He’s dynamite in the 5th round

        EDIT: 5) “Nyah-nyah, you can’t name anybody better!”

        on the other hand:

        1) Price over ??? at 5th overall
        (when we needed a centre and had credible goaltending)
        2) His laughable 2003 draft, at the worst possible time
        3) Drafting very much more for skill and all but ignoring size
        (mostly continued in 2013)
        4) Not being part of team that’s ever won anything

        To me, Price is the litmus test. If he flames out, I’m totally done with TT. He’s done some great things, but gets way more credit for his wins than blame for his mistakes.

        “thoroughbred”

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          bwoar, I think you’re evaluating the work of a Director of Scouting incorrectly. Their task isn’t to be Nostradamus, peer into a crystal ball and proclaim which prospect will be the greatest player. It’s actually to evaluate 17 and 18 year old players as to which has the best chance to turn into something five years down the line, based on the information available to them at that time.

          As such, Carey Price is not a right or wrong pick dependent on this year. If Carey strains his groin and has a middling season, is that Trevor Timmins’ fault? You can’t judge that way. In fact, with the way Carey Price is held in high esteem by most league analysts, with the way his natural ability and cool demeanor did come together to produce a high-level NHL goalie, it’s a already a successful pick. Any shortcomings can be attributed to the poor job the team has done to develop its young players in the near past, and the way Bob Gainey tried to force the issue and catch lightning in a bottle again, by trying to Ken Dryden Carey in his rookie year.

          Nobody expects a MLB hitter to bat a thousand. Snipers don’t score on every shot. And scouting directors should be judged on their overall performance, not just a solo Andrei Kostitsyn or David Fischer. Those happen to everyone.

        • desertman says:

          Your litmus test is not a good one. Gainey wanted Price and he openly talked about how much he wanted to draft him. We don’t know how Timmins had his draft rankings setup. Its totally possible Timmins had Kopitar in mind but Gainey over ruled him.

          At the end of the day its a numbers game, the more picks you have the better your chances of finding/developing NHL caliber players. Gainey and Gauthier traded away waaaay too many picks. Timmins is one of the top scouts in terms of his picks making the nhl. Just imagine if we didnt trade away all those 1st and 2nd round picks?

          5 years from now we will know how good timmins is.

      • habs11s says:

        Ak46 has NHL talent and has shown it, he just a floater and has a bad attitude. I guess you could blame the draft table for not picking up on it, but talent wise they picked a winner.

        I guess you can base the new regimes focus on ‘character’ in this years draft on choices like AK46

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        “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

      • The_Truth says:

        I think excusing Chips because of an injury is not acknowledging that the guy just isn’t a very skilled hockey player. Before any injuries and afterwards. He is very slow by NHL standards and just doesn’t have a lot of high end talent.

        He was drafted because of some grit and leadership abilities and just was overvalued. Injuries have nothing to do with it. As for leblanc we will see. His injuries side tracked him last season, but there was more to it than that. The guy’s compete level was so low, he wasn’t even a top 6 on a terrible AHL team. Looks like another over evaluation of talent for a 1st round pick.

        • rogus says:

          I have seen Chipchura play many times here in Junior. He was a DOMINANT player before severing his achillies tendon. A fluke injury that has haunted him ever since. Team Captain of WJC team and his P.A. Raiders. If Sutter thought he was good enough as an 18 year old, that makes him good enough for a first rd pick. Get your facts straight.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Indirectly we also picked up Eller from that draft year.

        Halak for a top 15 pick seems like a good deal to me.

        Hey Rob, any chance you can drop down to Montreal for the Summit? Maybe even just make it a one night deal.

        • The_Truth says:

          Indirectly we lost a 1st rounder in McDonagh as well.

          • 24 Cups says:

            There was nothing indirect about it. Gainey and Gauthier were totally taken by Sather. A hockey pool kid in grade 8 could have made a better deal than that. The Rangers were desperate and still managed to somehow fleece G & G.

            McDonagh will be a top pairing Dman for the next ten years while Gomez is strictly dust in the wind.

          • The_Truth says:

            Ya, its over and done and nothing can change that, but I really don’t get what Gainey was thinking. Sather was in major trouble with Gomez’s, Redden’s, Drury’s and Rozival’s contracts. He had no leverage in the least. How Gainey could not recognize that and give away Higgins and a Blue Chip prospect is beyond me.

            Gomez was showing big decline and with that contract, Higgins and a 3rd should have been enough. Sather just wasn’t in a position to refuse.

          • 24 Cups says:

            The truth hurts I guess:) But I’m still pissed about the trade.

        • krob1000 says:

          I would love to get there….it is hard to get away and I definitely can’t plan anything this far in advance as I coach my older boys rep team (because of our location we live on buses as most of our opponents are in the ajax, whitby, osh, port perry,etc loop)…it is very hard to plan anything as it occupies a good 20-25 hours a week or so. On top of that my younger boy plays as well and I try to help out with him as much as I can tooa. If I knew we had nothing I would but we don’t even find our schedules out until early Sept….my youngest is a die hard Habs fan at 5 and watches the first period of every game and when the nights allow will watch the whole games….he will not stop asking me to take him to a Habs game…he loves going to Jays games but it is far more affordable to do that. Older boy likes to go (he has seen 4 Habs games…3 in ottawa and one preseason in Montreal) but he isn’t as much of a fan as a kid who just likes to have a good time. The first year I do not coach is the first year I will make one of these summits…they are just too great of a thing to never make so if I am able I will….next year I will likely coach again and the year after that I will take a break from the rep thing likely until my younger boy gets old enough he needs to make the jump.

    • desertman says:

      Agreed. That draft was phenomenal. Recent drafts have been good I think, 2008 and 2009 were useless. Maybe if Leblanc turns it around 2009 wont be so bad. Not having a decent amount of picks in those drafts also hurt.

      • krob1000 says:

        2012 could be another bumper crop though ….some very good picks in that draft. The progress of several of the later taken dmen are encouraging as well with Dietz, Ellis and Nygren all looking strong…very, very good chance at eeast one becomes a regular NHL dman

    • habs11s says:

      Sam Gagner better than Patches?

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      “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

      • The_Truth says:

        No way. I also could see Voracek moving up to top 3 status as soon as next year.

        • habs11s says:

          For sure. His drive to the net, using his big body makes me wish Voracek was in a Habs uniform for sure.

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          “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  57. Un Canadien errant says:

    Review: “Coach: The Pat Burns Story” by Rosie DiManno

    I had hesitations about reading “Coach: The Pat Burns Story”, having worked my way through some underwhelming hockey biographies lately, but I needn’t have worried. Whereas “Theo Fleury: Playing with Fire” and “Tough Guy: My Life on the Edge” by Bob Probert were wooden, and relatively unenlightening, the Pat Burns biography is a strong effort. It provides a full, warts-and-all enlightening portrait of a colourful person and successful hockey coach who left his mark on the game.

    The difference here might be that it is strictly a biography, whereas the previous two efforts were more autobiographies, with a ghostwriter who seemed to act more as a typist, transcribing words spoken into a dictaphone onto the page. Indeed, Kirstie McLellan Day, who helped Theoren Fleury and Bob Probert, seemed ill-equipped to tackle these projects, and let them tell their story without guiding them to clarify certain statements or events, or shining a light on certain personal failings that her co-authors felt didn’t need any more scrutiny.

    In this case, author Rosie DiManno is eminently qualified for the job of portraying Pat Burns, being a news and sports columnist with the Toronto Star, and having covered the Maple Leafs when Pat Burns was their Head Coach. She also calls Pat Burns a friend, and states that their relationship carried through to the end of his life. As such, she has good command of the material, and provides a rich and detailed look at the man, with insights and anecdotes that testify to her acquaintance with the tempestuous coach.

    While she evidently has affection for her subject, this is certainly not a puff piece. His failings are addressed in a straightforward manner, such as his difficulty in communicating with some of his players in certain situations. Whereas he was verbose and a quote machine for the media, and could be warm off the ice, or even with opposing players, he was guarded with most of his players, aside from a few favourites. His many broken relationships with a succession of women are not glossed over, as is the distance he kept between himself and his children, an error he tried to rectify later in life but never could quite overcome.

    While these difficult subjects are discussed, we do not dive too deeply, as this is not a Kitty Kelley-style hatchet job, creating controversy to drive sales. Instead, Rosie DiManno makes a point of contrasting how Mr. Burns avoided certain areas of conflict, in marked contrast to his public persona as a fiery, driven coach who didn’t deal in double talk or understatement. A theme in the book is how while Pat Burns never backed down from a fight as a coach, he was squeamish on the personal side, and would literally abandon former domiciles if it made a breakup with a former lover less messy. Fortunately, Ms. DiManno brings up the personal life of her subject only to counterpoint his public image. In this way, she paints a complete, human picture, of a man who was contradictory, imperfect, but magnetic and powerful in his professional life.

    And there is a wealth of information and background on his career, from his humble beginnings as a part-time coach who worked his way up to an assistant position with the Hull Olympiques while still working fulltime as a police detective for the city of Hull. He obtained the head coaching job, with the benediction of the police department, which granted him a leave of absence. He of course would never return to his policing career, eventually graduating to the AHL Sherbrooke Canadiens, and the Montréal Canadiens a year later.

    It is on the professional side that Ms. DiManno does her best work. Every step of the way, she does her research and background work, providing context and quotes from media sources at the time, and plenty of reminiscences from former associates, superiors and players. It is a treasure trove of opinion and commentary, and most often supports the story’s main thread, but the author is sure-handed and allows some statements from her interviewees that contradict it, and it fleshes out the story. For the Olympiques period, she allows Charlie Henry, Wayne Gretzky, Pat Brisson, Luc Robitaille and Stéphane Richer to tell their stories and impressions. For the year in Sherbrooke, she interviews Serge Savard, André Boudrias, Mike Milbury, Mike Keane, Brent Gilchrist and Sylvain Lefebvre. The legwork pays off in the depth and accuracy of the story, and is obviously a joy to read for the hockey fan.

    If there is a flaw in the book, it’s how much of it is devoted to his period coaching the Leafs, as opposed to his other coaching stops. Of course, this gripe comes from a Canadiens fan, but there is some factual basis to this claim. Whereas the five years he spent in the Canadiens’ organization is covered in eighty pages, she spends a hundred pages plus the prologue on the four years spent in Toronto. The Canadiens’ 1988-89 season that lasted to Game 6 of the Finals is dealt with in 38 pages, but the Toronto 1992-93 season and playoffs, which only lasted three rounds, are dissected in 57 agonizing pages, with stomach-turning helpings of Todd Gill and Mike Foligno and Nikolai Borschevsky and other horrors.

    We can understand this in terms of the personal impact the Leaf years had on the author, as well as her authoritativeness on the subject, but we wonder also if this is a cynical pander to the multitude of Leafs fans, and a crass attempt to relieve Sean McIndoe of his hard-earned pageclick dollars.

    This question also arises as to the choice of a cover picture. Instead of being provided with a classic Pat Burns photo behind the bench, with his trademarked blow-dried mullet and $1000 suit, foaming at the mouth and waving a stick over his head, about to leap over the glass to take on an opposition coach, index finger pointed like his service revolver, we instead get a shot of him smiling astride a motorbike. With the jeans and the sunglasses, he looks more like your midlife crisis-stricken uncle than the tough, blustery coach we picked up the book to know more about. Which makes one wonder whether the publishers made the calculated decision to not put off Canadiens fans with a photo of Pat Burns leading the Leafs, and vice versa, and furthermore to not offend both these markets with a cover shot of him as a Bruins coach. Still, a more fitting cover shot would have been of him raising the Stanley Cup as the Devil’s coach, which everyone would have approved of, the Devils being a neutral enough organization to not cause too many potential customers to recoil. Failing that, a shot of him ‘in action’ behind a bench, artfully cropped, should have been used.

    These two last concerns are not reason enough for me to not recommend this book however. It’s a great, enjoyable read (except for those one hundred pages in the middle, but I don’t want to quibble), and deepens our understanding and appreciation of an important figure in Canadiens and hockey history. Every hockey fan would do well to pick up this book at their bookstore or local library.

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    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. This generates more lifelong fans who will support the team, and more players who dream of making it to the NHL and wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge. In the salary-cap world we live in, this is an important strategic edge we have on the St-Louis Blues and the Florida Panthers. If Geoff Molson understands anything, it needs to be that there must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • bwoar says:

      Great review, now I want the book.

      One tiny quibble: As an old school Jets fan, with a vivid memory of the (2nd) most famous franchise goal ever scored, there’s no such thing as a stomach-turning helping of Dave Ellett. He’ll always have a hero moment in my childhood.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        It’s just one of many names from that era that was forcefed to me back then, that he was such a heroic player and so talented and had such an impact, merely because he wore blue and white. Skin crawls…

        ***EDIT***

        But in deference to you, I can easily edit and fix that for you.

        You’re welcome.

  58. HammerHab says:

    Do you think the Panthers will take Parros for Gomez?

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    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  59. frontenac1 says:

    Parros should Rag Doll Gomez. Just for fun. It would be a real crowd pleaser amigos.

    • BJ says:

      I’d take a pass on that. Gomez was the only player that stood up to Chara who had practically sent Pacioretty to meet many of the retired Habs jersey owners on the other side. Gomez seems like a good guy. Gainey made the blunder.

  60. HammerHab says:

    copied from last thread….didnt notice this amazing new one!

    Another thing about Parros….some complainers saying he cant play. What about the guy he fights? If he tunes a guy like Lucic AND keeps him off the ice for 5 minutes thats all good in my books….I’ll take that trade-off any day.

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    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Sadly, Lucic won’t fight a Parros and Parros’s 4th line should never be on the ice when Lucic’s line is out there unless we are looking to get scored on.

      The only way Parros fights lucic is jumping him and him getting the major penalty and a game out of it giving Boston a power play

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • HammerHab says:

        at least Parros won’t politely ask if Lucy would like to engage in a light round of fisticuffs

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        It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Lucic also has quite good self-control (although tell that to the stick he smashed in the finals!) and would likely be able to resist provocation.

        Chara, on the other hand, hates being hit at all and might rise to the bait. I was asking earlier if anyone knew whether or not Parros is a good hitter (separate from fighting). No real replies to that one…

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I think he tosses out a decent amount of hits usually averaging over one a game but I never think of him as being a real big hitter in his limited ice time

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  61. jedimyrmidon says:

    Saw on the other thread some questioning Trevor Timmins’ record at drafting. Don’t question (i.e. suggest the Habs should find someone else) without providing examples of who has done better. I’m curious what names will come up.

  62. Un Canadien errant says:

    Here’s a good rundown of some use of force issues and how police officers are trained to deal with them by the B.C. provincial use-of-force coordinator, in the wake of the Toronto streetcar shooting.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/07/31/f-use-force-police-training.html

    We had a long thread on this subject a couple nights ago and I’ve said what I want to say, just want to provide some context for those who are curious or concerned with this incident.

  63. Cardiac says:

    The thing is after Huberdeau, Florida is pretty thin at centre. I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes their #2 centre and logs some PP time.

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

    • Timo says:

      Seems like a natural place for Desharnais to move to.

    • junyab says:

      Calling a center prospect pool of (Huberdeau), Barkov, Shore, and Bjugstad “thin” is befuddling. That is one of the deepest pools at center in the league. They are exactly where they need to be in terms re-building. Gomez fills a temporary hole.

      • Cardiac says:

        Barkov may or may not play this year. Shore was a rookie this year and Bjugstad played only a handful of games. Unless they all produce the way Huberdeau did over a span of 82 games, all they are still “thin” at centre, thus signing a veteran presence to plug a hole. So yes, this is a temporary solution.

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        - Jerry Maguire

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The initial rumours regarding a Roberto Luongo trade to the Panthers described how the Canucks were trying to pry Nick Bjugstad out of Florida, and Dale Tallon was having none of that, and that’s kind of where the trade talks died. Not sure how accurate this is, but it sounds credible, or at least likely, since the Canucks for years, like many other teams, have been searching for a big centreman who can pivot their third line, and provide support behind Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      They have Barkov and Bjugstad. With Huberdeau, I think Florida is pretty well off.

  64. HabFanSince72 says:

    Timo or anyone else in Calgary.

    Where would you live (in Calgary) if you wanted the closest thing to a Montreal-ish experience?

  65. donmarco says:

    I’ll definitely grab him in my pool this year. Provided it goes 200 rounds.

  66. Thurston says:

    That’s a relief.
    I was worried that he wouldn’t be able to get by on the huge buy-out he got from the Habs. Now he’s got an income coming in for another year.

    Another plus is that Scotty can hang out on the beach where he can be just as productive as he will be on the ice.

  67. DAVE. N says:

    The odds of the Panthers winning the Cup just went up! lol

  68. Psycho29 says:

    FIRST

    I love this signing….Means he ain’t coming back here!!

    ;-)

  69. Habfan10912 says:

    Found another library, have we?

  70. HammerHab says:

    who’s a better scout?

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    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  71. Habitforming says:

    The difference being that ONE guy picked Pacioretty, Subban and McDonagh…. the players you listed were picked by 3 other directors of scouting.

  72. HardHabits says:

    It’s a wonder he figured out how to log on.

  73. Good Habit says:

    IMO opinion, Timmins picks have gotten better over time. He has almost never had high first rounders either. He’s a solid guy for head of scouting. Not the best, but he’s up there.

  74. Saintpatrick33 says:

    So let me get this straight, you’re blaming the Habs getting eliminated by the Sens Timmins’ fault? I think that’s unfair and way off base. We got eliminated because we had key injuries and Price crapped the bed. I think you’re forgetting that for every Chipchura, Higgins and Kositsyn he drafted he also drafted a Nathan Beaulieu, Jarred Tinordi, Brendan Gallagher, Alexei Emelin, Mark Streit, Ryan McDonagh, Max Pacioretty, PK Subban, Mikhail Grabovski, and of course Price

  75. Marc10 says:

    … and that my friends is a quality troll.

    Well played sir. Keeps this site from getting soft like our team! ;)

  76. jedimyrmidon says:

    Chipchura, Higgins, Kostitsyns, Komisarek, O’Byrne all made the NHL. Timmins turned a draft pick into a roster player. Most drafted players won’t even reach the NHL.

    What does the Sens eliminating the Habs have anything to do with Trevor Timmins’? The Habs have Gallagher, Price, Subban, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Tinordi and Emelin. I’m pretty happy with those guys.

  77. D Mex says:

    Who, in your opinion, is better than TT in that job ?

    ALWAYS Habs -
    D Mex

  78. kairos66 says:

    Trolling is the equivalence of a juvenile tantrum and adds nothing to any discussion. It is not difficult to sit in your parent’s basement and spout out negative platitudes in the hopes that it disrupts a line of discourse but it is harder to analyze and debate. However, the latter is much more satisfying. Try it sometime!
    Kairos66

  79. HabinBurlington says:

    I don’t disagree bud, I just don’t think comparing the Habs to the Als is remotely close to the same thing. The CH of the Habs is far more important and distinguishable than the CFL club in Montreal.

  80. habstrinifan says:

    Think you are wrong. The media may lead but tere is support from their fan base.

  81. HabFanSince72 says:

    “but I think he netted 18 or 19 pts in 39 games…”

    15 pts or roughly 30 for a whole season, and only 2 goals. His winger Ryane Clowe went from a solid 20 goals/yr scorer to zero.

  82. HabFanSince72 says:

    Yes I am blaming Scott Gomez, the black hole where goals die.

    Everyone who got stuck with him on the Habs suddenly stopped scoring too.

    I don’t know what this room is everyone says he is so good in but he should never leave it.

  83. JohninTruro says:

    HFS72 well except for Pouliot.

  84. Habfan17 says:

    Which comment was that? I was not trying to be condescending.
    I did not comment that the Habs would make the playoffs, I just posted that I see why MB signed Prust after reading the article and that the other Bleacher report was a fun read!

    Habfan17

  85. HabFab says:

    We have a troll that in the past has gone to other Blogs and Web sites and made inflammatory comments using different names from this site. So be careful in passing quick judgement, just as we have to because his IP address is in the Ploughkeepsie area.

  86. Habfan17 says:

    No worries gregshabs, it is all good. I was confused though..lol

    Habfan17

  87. Mr. Biter says:

    Would any posters here have turned down the same contract if offered to them?

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory


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