Saturday video theatre

Chill
OK, maybe we all should all whip us some margaritas in the blender and chill out on a stinkin’ hot Saturday in mid-July.
The owners’ offer is just the opening salvo in the NHL’s contract negotiations.
It provides a basis point for the serious horse trading.
The PA will tell the league where to stick it, of course, and then we’ll have some serious back-and-forth.
So maybe there will be hockey before Christmas.
Maybe.

• Here’s a profile of  Donald Fehr, the tough negotiator who leads the NHLPA into this battle.

• Adrian Dater of Sports Illustrated says the owners are hypocrites.

• George Carlin connects the dots.

Happy birthday, Woody Guthrie

And here’s a video that indicates which way the Trotskyite wing of HIO is leaning:

And to end on an upbeat note, a story about good guy Brandon Prust and another one

509 Comments

  1. Bripro says:

    The Capitals have signed Mike Green to a three-year, $18.25MM contract.

    • Cardiac says:

      What a joke… One-dimensional player with injury problems.

      Doesn’t give me much hope on Subban signing for less than $4 million a season.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

  2. Bripro says:

    The Oilers and Theo Peckham have avoided arbitration by agreeing to a one-year deal for $1,075,000.

  3. Bripro says:

    So the Habs have announced, on their french site, that they’ve signed Blake Geoffrion to a one-year two-way deal.
    Salary info was not provided, and I can’t find the link in english.
    But Renaud Lavoie reports it’s worth $803,250.
    Here it is in french.

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/l_fr/news.htm?id=637996

    • boing007 says:

      I think Geoffrion is worth about $200 thousand. They are all overpaid.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  4. Ian Cobb says:

    I have negotiated three union contracts, just a few short years ago, and would like to share what I learned along the way.

    First, I had the pleasure of retirement, and for something to do with my time, I got my bus license and went driving as a professional school bus driver. What an eye opener.

    Very soon relished that greedy owners of these bus companies were shafting the workers big time. So being a good Liberal, I go to Ottawa for a meeting with the NDP leader Jack Layton to inquire how one gets representation to take on these companies.

    He pointed me to a few unions who I then interviewed. And I settled on the Teamsters, who I was shocked to find out were the most professional and ethical group.

    I along with the Teamsters unionized 3 bus companies and 800 drivers, between Trenton and Kingston ON. in 2 years.

    At first I just sat at the negotiation table, listening and learning.
    I witnessed some amazing statements and postures from the negotiating lawyers for the companies. It was an absolute joke to here what they would say and do, in order to get the upper hand. No such thing as fair play or common sense.

    No such thing as two sides working out a few differences, it was utter war with fictitious smiles and hand shakes, and watch your back each second. Every dotting of an I and crossing of a T was dragged out back and forth until someone broke down. I was disgusted with the whole process, all in the name of owners disrespect for employees and greed that took more than two years of my life to correct. I sure got a great education on how one has to stand up for the little guy.

    After it was all done and I got a fair shake for the hard working drivers, I quit to go and start another business that I still do today, pushing 70yrs. young, as a building inspector for clients.

    But I have to tell you, on the level of the NHL and mega bucks, the little guy is US, the fan, being held hostage and rapped.

    We just might have to organize ourselves, to let these arrogant money grabbers on both sides, know just who pays there freight.!

    Ian

    • Chris says:

      Letting fans play a role in negotiations between the NHL and NHLPA would be somewhat akin to letting parents play a role in the negotiations the bus drivers had with the school boards.

      As you increase the number of cooks in the kitchen, you decrease the odds of producing anything worth eating while increasing the likelihood of everything blowing up in your face.

      The fans can vote with their wallets. If we don’t like paying high ticket prices, we can simply afford to attend live games. The salary cap is tied directly to league revenues, and gate revenues account for approximately 2/3 of the league’s total revenues. If the fans stop selling out the arenas in Montreal, Toronto, New York and Vancouver, the NHL will have no choice but to listen. Ticket prices go down, salaries go down.

      So long as those arenas are full, however, there is absolutely no impetus whatsoever for the league to factor in the financial well-being of their fans so long as their own pockets are being filled.

  5. thehabsfan29 says:

    Word spreading around on twitter that the habs have made the blues a offer to acquire Patrik Berglund

    not sure if its true or not but i think he would be a solid pickup

    • Habfan17 says:

      If the Habs are looking at trading for Bergland, a centre would have to be going the pother way, probably Plekanec. Otherwise, the Habs would have DD, Eller, Pleks, Galchenyuk, White and Bergland.

      Habfan17

      • thehabsfan29 says:

        Berglund also plays LW
        i wonder what the asking price for berglund would be

      • Kooch7800 says:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkRg__FwB8M I am not a fan of resigning AK but I think AK is a better option than trading for Bergland

      • Chris says:

        With so many forwards in the NHL listed as centres, the easiest way to tell if they are playing centre or not is to look at their faceoff totals.

        Berglund took the second most faceoffs on the St. Louis Blues, behind David Backes. This strongly indicates that he was their second line centre, as his ice-time was the third-most on the team and fifth most at even-strength.

        I can’t see the Blues giving up Berglund. He is 24 years old and has great size (6’4″ and 219 pounds). He should just be entering the prime of his career. He’s only a RFA at the end of this season, and the Blues have tons of cap space available to sign one of their key players to a long-term deal.

      • boing007 says:

        Could someone please tell why transactions are no longer strictly money transactions?

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • HabsFanMTL says:

      why would we trade plekanac for Patrik Berglund who only scored 38 points in 82 games played last year. All be it he is 6’4 220lbs….pleks garantees 20 or more points per year than this guy

      • thehabsfan29 says:

        It would be stupid to trade plek for berglund.
        plek would for sure not be part of the deal.

        Berglund could work with plek and gio who are both a huge upgrade over perron and oshie.

        berglund could also work with eller and prust on the third line.
        question is what would the blues want in return for him

    • Cardiac says:

      He’s a big boy, but he’s also played with Oshie and Perron his entire career so it’s hard to gauge how well he’d do on a line with less talented players.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

    • Newf_Habster says:

      From which sources on Twitter please

    • HabsRepresente says:

      Do you know who is saying this because they could be full of crap?

  6. wjc says:

    All the Gomez hate must stop. Can we figuratively hold hands and maybe sing “I would like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, grow apple trees and bumble bees…or something or other.

    Then buy each other a coke…we could stand on a hill over looking Alaska and……well…you get my drift.

    wjc

  7. HabFab says:

    Boone just posted a video on YouTube for the Condos;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6S-iZY64-8&feature=youtu.be&a

  8. arcosenate says:

    Here’s what Larionov thinks about Galchenyuk’s future:

    •The Canadiens will soon sign 1st round pick Alex Galchenyuk according to his agent, Igor Larionov. Larionov expects Galchenyuk to play in the NHL next year, “My strong thought is he’ll play in the NHL”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      FYI, Given Larionov is also Galchenyuk’s agent. He is going to be a wee bit biased in favour of Galchenyuk sticking with the big club.

      • arcosenate says:

        Sure, but he wouldn’t want him to ruin his career by going to the NHL early either. It’s interesting that he feels the kid is ready, it will be even more interesting to see him play with and against pros at training camp, if there is one that is…

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I am ok with him playing the 9 games and then being sent down to Junior just so he gets a taste but the Habs have not had such a huge prospect in a long time. They need to let him develop

          “Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com

          • wjc says:

            BUT….but….but….what if he is good enough to stick…..what if???? You don’t send him down for the heck of it…..there is always the…..what if factor.

            What if he and Eller and Leblanc start tearing it up, then you have to re-write the plan.

            Then with Gomez flying at center, and Pletanics playing his game, teams coming in would have their hands full, trying to stop the offence…..Gomez and Gionta creating magic again…what a thought.

            wjc

          • Bripro says:

            wjc….wjc….
            Do you hear that ringing?
            That’s your alarm. Time to wake up!

        • boing007 says:

          Don’t wake wjc, he’s having a beautiful dream.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  9. HabinBurlington says:

    Bobby Holik’s perspective on the NHL’s first offer at the bargaining table.

    http://holikonhockey.com/bobby-blog/the-first-nhl-proposal/

    • HabFab says:

      The man obviously reads what I post at HIO…Berkie eat your heart out :P

      • Bripro says:

        So what are you saying Frank?
        That it’s OK to be biased, in favour of the union?
        Tsk, tsk…. ;)
        Personally, I think they should lower the cap, lower the floor, rollback ticket prices, and offer a lottery for free tickets for the under-priveldged and the HIO commentariat.

  10. pher pher says:

    I received an email this morning re: the Centennial Plaza. This is what it had to say:

    At a press conference held at the Bell Centre this morning, Montreal Canadiens management took part in announcing an important partnership between the organization and a notable group of investors including  Cadillac Fairview, Canderel, and the Fond Immobilier de Solidarité FTQ, to build a residential tower unlike any other in Montreal.

    La Tour des Canadiens will be erected on Centennial Plaza, the space where thousands of bricks purchased by fans such as yourself ahead of the club’s 100th anniversary are currently on display.  We wanted to reach out to each and every one of you because we can appreciate the importance of the gesture you made when you ordered your brick several years ago; you not only paid homage to the ties and passion you and/or your loved ones have for the Canadiens, but you helped directly fund the very construction of Centennial Plaza itself.

    Please rest assured that until your brick can be reintegrated into the environment surrounding the new residential complex, it will be carefully removed from Centennial Plaza and stored along with all others at a secure facility.  We will ensure that your brick remains preserved in its current state without incident throughout any phase of construction that would otherwise risk damaging what we are sure is an important symbol of your attachment to the Canadiens.

    As an organization, it is of critical importance for us to ensure all of Centennial Plaza’s components – your bricks, the statues honoring our legends, and the surrounding elements – all remain in pristine condition throughout the construction period and are reintegrated in a seamless, appropriate manner within the new space.  The project’s developers are equally committed in that regard as it is clear these elements are what will help make La Tour des Canadiens and the Bell Centre one of downtown Montreal’s premiere destinations.

    We will keep you abreast of developments in the coming months.  Know that your contribution will always be an important part of Montreal Canadiens history.

    To learn more about the project announced today, we invite you to visit http://www.tourdescanadiens.com.

    Thank you for your continued support and passion.  You remain the inspiration for our drive to succeed both on and off the ice.

    The Montreal Canadiens

    • Marc10 says:

      Meh. Pretty average condos by the looks of them. Where do the statues go?

      I’d love for the Habs to sign Semin and AK on Gomez; cap hit to play with Pleks. We sign them for a year and give them the chance to light the place up in the greatest hockey market. They win us a cup, cash in and everybody wins.

      OK, back to my meds…

      We go from a rebuild into a contender.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        MLSE did a very similar condo development around the ACC Center and it was a huge financial windfall for the MLSE. Of interest, a new sports bar called Real Sports was created as part of the development. It is an absolute incredible high end sportsbar right outside the arena and generally one has to book weeks in advance to get a pregame seat in the bar, where one of the worlds largest indoor big screen tv’s telecast the game and other sports.

      • boing007 says:

        I like your meds. Got any extras?

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  11. Mattyleg says:

    Boone Tweeting like a madman that the Centenial Plaza in front of the Bell Centre will be torn up. Hickey at press conference, more details to come soon.

    Wonder what the hell that’s all about!

    Got to dash down there for a photo before the wrecking-ball moves in.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  12. boing007 says:

    This is the third day of Saturday Video Theatre. Perhaps the headline should be changed to The Big Chill.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  13. HabFab says:

    What in the blazes is this? Is nothing sacred?

    Dave_Stubbs – #Habs tearing up Centennial Plaza for condo project. Fan-purchased bricks, 100 historic moment bricks, 4 statues, huge centerpiece must move

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I got an e-mail on it this morning. They are moving our bricks to a secured location and will be brought back out at some point. Here is the e-mail:

      t a press conference held at the Bell Centre this morning, Montreal Canadiens management took part in announcing an important partnership between the organization and a notable group of investors including Cadillac Fairview, Canderel, and the Fond Immobilier de Solidarité FTQ, to build a residential tower unlike any other in Montreal.

      La Tour des Canadiens will be erected on Centennial Plaza, the space where thousands of bricks purchased by fans such as yourself ahead of the club’s 100th anniversary are currently on display. We wanted to reach out to each and every one of you because we can appreciate the importance of the gesture you made when you ordered your brick several years ago; you not only paid homage to the ties and passion you and/or your loved ones have for the Canadiens, but you helped directly fund the very construction of Centennial Plaza itself.

      Please rest assured that until your brick can be reintegrated into the environment surrounding the new residential complex, it will be carefully removed from Centennial Plaza and stored along with all others at a secure facility. We will ensure that your brick remains preserved in its current state without incident throughout any phase of construction that would otherwise risk damaging what we are sure is an important symbol of your attachment to the Canadiens.

      As an organization, it is of critical importance for us to ensure all of Centennial Plaza’s components – your bricks, the statues honoring our legends, and the surrounding elements – all remain in pristine condition throughout the construction period and are reintegrated in a seamless, appropriate manner within the new space. The project’s developers are equally committed in that regard as it is clear these elements are what will help make La Tour des Canadiens and the Bell Centre one of downtown Montreal’s premiere destinations.

      We will keep you abreast of developments in the coming months. Know that your contribution will always be an important part of Montreal Canadiens history.

      To learn more about the project announced today, we invite you to visit http://www.tourdescanadiens.com.

      Thank you for your continued support and passion. You remain the inspiration for our drive to succeed both on and off the ice.

      The Montreal Canadiens

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The Centennial Plaza was fake history in any case. Certainly not sacred in any sense.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Chris says:

      I’m sure they will preserve the “historic” aspect of the plaza, but the area around the Bell Centre really was pretty ugly, judging from my few visits to see games in Montreal. Developing it a bit is a good idea.

    • Chris says:

      Interesting to note that the high ankle sprain is the same injury that completely derailed Price in 2008-09, an injury that started the snowball that turned into an avalanche of crappiness that season.

      High ankle sprains are awful. I’ve only had one, and I was on crutches for weeks.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Chris, the timing of the injury while bad for the playoffs was good for Halak. So many pro athletes have tried rushing back from high ankle sprains and eventually ruins almost an entire season.

    • accp says:

      Arcosenate – just the boys that could do it. and just imagine.
      Bourque, Pleks, Gionta for a 3rd line
      Moen, Prust, Armstrong/White for the 4th line

      looks like a cup contender to me.

  14. arcosenate says:

    Here it is, since there’s not been a new thread here in 2 days:

    Ridiculous, speculative line combinations for next year:

    A. Semin-A. Galchenyuk-A. Kostitsyn

    The Triple A Line.

  15. SnowManHabs85 says:

    @RenLavoieRDS: Canadiens Blake Geoffrion. 1 year contract / $803 250 (2 way)

  16. HabsRepresente says:

    My thoughts on Free agent Aquisitions

    I think that the Montreal Canadiens acquisitions improve the team to a certain extent. Like a foot on a dog, it provides the dog with stability but not completely changing the way the dog operates if it is not there. Although Marc Bergevin has not brought in any bona-fide goal scorers, he has brought in guys that are very valuable in the dressing room and will increase the comradeship of the team. Also all three of the players are willing to drop the gloves for a team mate and because Montreal were lacking toughness before, it will take pressure off of some of the players that are our goal scorers to defend someone.
    The most intriguing acquisition for me is probably Brandon Prust, when I heard that Montreal signed him I was delighted because he brings the toughness that the team needs but he also has the ability to kill penalties and play the game as well. When I saw the term I was curious, because 4th line guys do not usually get paid over 1.5 million. I saw a lot of negative comments over the internet because of the term and money Montreal is paying him, I feel that you guys should wait and see him play in the fall, and once you see him play I can guarantee you that he will become a fan favorite shortly and will become very valuable to the team.
    Colby Armstrong is another interesting player, I didn’t know how I felt when Montreal signed him but once I saw that the term was 1 million for 1 year I was pretty happy about the contract, if he could come to Montreal and revert to his old form when he was in Atlanta where he scored 22 goals, it would be a steal. What I think Bergevin wanted to with this signing was to give him a tryout to prove himself for one year and f he does well they’re going to try to resign him.
    The last and the least exiting signing is “Frankie the Bull” Boullion, I think that Boullion isn’t capable of being more than a last pair defenseman, but at the same time I find him more reliable on defense than the two Weber, & Diaz. What Boullion brings to the table is toughness on his back end which isn’t that abundant in the Montreal defense, although he doesn’t produce as much points as Weber or Diaz I figure that he is a better all rounded defenseman and less of a risk back there.
    Overall I think that Marc Bergevin has done a good job making a stamp on Montreal but I don’t quite think he is done yet, I think he is either going to sign or trade for a top siz forward to play on the wing with Plekanec. I also like the fact how Bergevin has brought back guys who are familiar with Therrien, in Armstrong and Boullion, I figure that all of these acquisitions will help make Montréal a better team and maybe even put them in the playoffs next year.

  17. HabsRepresente says:

    Does anybody know if HockeyyInsiderr is legitimate or not?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Not, I believe is the consensus.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabsRepresente says:

        I wish he would reveal his identity but something tells me that if he did no one would now who the hell he was.

        • HabFab says:

          It is his barber just so you will know. Eklund on the other hand uses his dog with his connections. For some reason, believe the cat people mess with him…just a theory.

          • HabsRepresente says:

            Your saying HockeyyInsiderr’s barber is telling him all of his rumors?

          • HabFab says:

            That has as much chance as being the truth as any other info you get on the internet…if the provider can’t be fired or sued TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

    • Newf_Habster says:

      He is a total fraud. He just invent fake rumors to attract gullible and pathetic Habs fans. If you follow him on Twitter, then unfollow him.

      Do the same thing with Eklund and The_Creasy.

  18. HabsFanMTL says:

    Blake Geoffrion just signed a 1 year 2 way deal with the habs for just over 800,000

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    Just for your reading pleasure a Leaf Blogger recapping some of the worst moves in Leaf history and a detailed look at what he feels is the 3rd worst move in Leaf history.

    As an aside, a buddy of mine (wee bit older) was working at a job last week in Mississauga. He heard some voices and then the people he heard came through his work area. It was his childhood heroes Dick Duff and Dave Keon! He is kicking himself now, but he shook there hands and was too nervous to talk, ask for autograph or get a picture taken with him. My buddy is around 60 years old (guessing) and he said it was incredible how he still felt like a child getting to meet these two Leaf greats.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Mike-Augello/The-Worst-Leaf-Moves-Of-The-Modern-Era-3/120/45617

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      What are the worst trades/moves in Canadiens history? I bet he Leafs worst wouldn’t even make our top 5.

      Some examples:

      7. McDonagh for Gomez
      6. Leclair and Desjardins for Rechhi
      5. Doug Wickenheiser over Denis Savard
      4. Habs take a pass on Mike Bossy because he’s not defensive enough.
      3. Chris Chelios for a near-retirement Denis Savard
      2. Habs tell Scotty Bowman he isn’t getting the GM position. Name Irving Grundman instead.
      1. Habs trade Patrick Roy for … who cares?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I still think I flip flop 2 and 1, the decision on Irving Grundman had huge long term effects that caused numerous bad moves.

        But we have hashed and rehashed our mistakes enough, lets enjoy the Leafs misery!

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Did you know that Grundmann later became a Montreal City Councillor, who got convicted for corruption?


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • ed lopaz says:

            it wasn’t such a serious crime. I think he was fined and he did some community service. He was involved in changing a zoning issue.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I was just getting ready to respond to Burly that I’m glad i chose the Habs over the leafs as a youth then i read your list. Ugh. Let’s hope that this Molson along with the team MB has put together will get the organuzation headed in the right direction.

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        • HabFanSince72 says:

          The Molsons bought the team in 1978 at the peak.

          Their decisions are what destroyed the team. The arrogance of naming their crony Grundman, who had no experience in hockey (managed some bowling lanes), over Bowman, and later company man Rejean Houle, who got promoted from beer sales rep to GM, is what destroyed this franchise.

          They finally sold to Gillett in 2002 when the team hit rock bottom.

          This isn’t to say the 3rd generation will repeat those mistakes.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • ed lopaz says:

            ’72, we won a Cup in ’86 and another one in ’93, so although those were both won under Savard and not Grundman, I don’t think you can say that the franchise was “destroyed” in 1978.

            that’s simply not the case.

          • HabFab says:

            A little more history then that, actually Geoff is 7th generation and this is the fourth generation to own the Habs.

            The Molson family’s first foray in the NHL came in 1957 with the purchase of the Canadiens by Senator Hartland Molson and his brother, Thomas, from Senator Donat Raymond. Seven years later, they sold the club to cousins David, Peter and Bill Molson, who were in charge until 1971.

            Molson Breweries purchased the Canadiens in 1978 for $20 million from a company controlled by Peter and Edward Bronfman. It owned 100 per cent until Gillett bought a controlling interest in 2001.

      • Chris says:

        I don’t know about that…

        Trading Russ Courtnall for John Kordic was a doozy.

        The McDonald trade, done to annoy Darryl Sittler into waiving his no-trade clause.

        Trading their 1st round pick to New Jersey for a season of Tom Kurvers was pretty awful. That pick almost became Eric Lindros. The Leafs were relieved when it instead became Scott Niedermayer. Oops squared. :)

        And then you’ve got the Kessel trade, where the jury is still out. Kessel is a good player, but Seguin is looking like a top player himself. If Dougie Hamilton pans out the way most people think, that one is going to be a steal for the Bruins, easily on par with McDonagh for Gomez.

        And the worst decision in hockey history easily belongs to John Bassett, who managed to convince the Leafs ownership group to fire Harold Ballard and Stafford Smythe, but they did not push the pair to sell their shares. This opened up the possibility of the duo re-gaining control, which they did, and the team passed into Harold Ballard’s sole hands when Smythe died at age 50 in 1972. No one individual can be said to have rained as much destruction on a franchise as Harold Ballard, so that has to be the #1 moment in infamy for the NHL.

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    Phoenix Coyote blogger suggesting AK should return to the scene of the crime and possibly play for Yotes next year. At least he would know where the good bars are! :)

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Adam-French/Andrei-Kostitsyn-is-a-Possibility/155/45620

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning bud. I can’t help but recall reading that AK was one of the most well liked platers in the room along with Gomez. Could there be a connection?

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      • Kooch7800 says:

        I kept waiting for AK to just bust out and become a scoring machine. Remember those scoring streaks he would go on and was so dominant…then would vanish

        • Chris says:

          Often vanishing at the same time as he was yanked from line to line. :)

          Kostitsyn had the same problem as Higgins. He was inconsistent, but fans and the coaching staff were never content with what he DID bring, always trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

          I will always struggle to understand why coaches so often break up lines that are working to try to get lines that aren’t working going. In the process, you often go from two working lines and one ineffectual line to three ineffectual lines.

  21. Habfan17 says:

    The CBA issue is not so black and white. This is a partnership between the owners and players with the players taking physical risk and possibly being traded and having to relocate their families. Owners take all the financial risks.

    I am not sure how the players receive their current share of the revenue so I am not sure if I accept that cutting the split equals a pay cut directly relating to salaries.

    As complex as the CBA is, I think there can be a rather simple solution to the issues.

    First on the owners side. They need a better revenue sharing plan amongst themselves. They also need to change the mandate of Betman to relocate or fold teams that don’t meet a minimum requirement for revenues. Currently these teams are draining the system. That is not the fault of the players. Then make the revenue split to the players 55%. Put in a buyout at 60% of the balance of the remaining contract if a player has two straight years of declining performance.The balance could be paid out over 6 years and only 30% would count towards the cap.

    The cap needs to be lowered. Having said that, I think that each team should be able to designate a “franchise player” their salary would not count towards the cap but could not exceed 20 of the cap max. That would give each team the ability to sign one player to a $12 million a year contract if the cap max was $60 million. I agree that entry level contracts should be changed since more 18 year olds are making it. But I would suggest a tiered system instead of the 5 years the owners want. If a player makes the team at 18, the entry level is a 5 year contract, if they make the team at 19, it is a 4 year entry level, and 20 and over would remain at 3 years. Eliminate the signing bonuses. Adopt the players suggestion that players over 40 would not have their contracts count against the cap providing that their salary is at or below 5% of the total maximum cap and only one player per team would be exempt.

    For free agents, make it that players could become UFA’s at age 28, with a minimum of 7 years in the NHL. That way if a team has a player start at 18, they get 10 years. College players who start at 22/23, would have to wait until they are 29 or 30, which is still good.

    Habfan17

    • Chris says:

      1) Players need to agree to teams being cut, and this is a no-brainer for them to oppose. Contraction of two teams represents a 7% reduction in the workforce, the loss of approximately 100 contracts. That’s an awful lot for the players to agree to.

      2) Your buyout scenario doesn’t help the owners whatsoever, but actually makes things worse. If the problem is revenues, paying a number of players to not play, even at 60% of their original salary, does not really help them financially. Competitively, it does help…but this will just give another big advantage to the rich teams.

      3) Revenue sharing is a thorny issue. You are essentially asking owners to support one another, regardless of how well or poorly those owners manage their teams. I don’t think there is too much sympathy in the league for the Charles Wangs of this world.

      4) More players are making it at age 18 than before? I find this a little hard to believe. Compare the first round draft picks of 2011 with those drafted in 1981, 30 years ago.

      Last season, the following picks managed to play 10 games or more in the league:

      Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Adam Larsson, Sean Couturier, and Andrew Shaw.

      From the 1981 draft, the following picks from the first round alone played the 1981-82 season:

      Dale Hawerchuk, Doug Smith, Bobby Carpenter, Ron Francis, Joe Cirella, Jim Benning, Grant Fuhr, Normand Leveille, Gilbert Delorme

      Almost twice as many guys despite 2/3 the number of teams.

      5) The players fought VERY hard to get free agency down to 7 years or 27 years old, whichever came first, often leaving money on the table in the process. I have a hard time believing they are going to give up their right to choose where they want to work.

      It is easy to lose all sympathy for players, but remember that they have families as well. We routinely hear that it is not so much the player that is against playing somewhere, but their wife. This happens in real life too. We had a professor in my department leave after one year to go back to his old job (with much less opportunity professionally) because his wife quite simply couldn’t bear to live so far away from her own life.

      If anything, I expect that the whole notion of restricted free agency is going to be legally challenged at some point and the owners will lose. Once a contract is up, why shouldn’t players have the right to offer their services to whoever they wish? I can’t imagine the league has a leg to stand on from a legal point of view.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Look how many teams that have already signed their first round picks from this year.

        I did say at the begining that the platers can be traded that is hard on them and their families, yes they know it is a possibility going in, but it is hard.

        I am neither pro owner or player, just looking at ways that would be fair to both. In order for teams to make maoney they need players to draw fans and to make them competative. If at age 27, players can choose where they go, like Parise and Suter did, what is to stop them from going to 5 or 6 teams and building them up and leaving other teams with nothing. It is a balancing act for sure!

        Habfan17

        • Chris says:

          Teams routinely sign their first-round picks. But those contracts don’t matter much when it comes to free agency until they play 10 games in a season. Nor is much money paid out…the players don’t get paid if they are in junior hockey.

          Jarred Tinordi signed with the Habs in November 2011, but the contract wasn’t set to kick in until 2012-13.

          Signing a draft pick just ensures that the player can not go back into the draft in two years’ time.

          What stops players like Parise and Suter from going to 5 or 6 teams is the presence of a hard salary cap, a maximum number of contracts and of course the need for everybody to get sufficient ice time.

          “Dream Teams” don’t always work. The 1987 Canada Cup team was absolutely ridiculous in talent. One of the interesting sides of that was that there was always a question as to which superstar would take on a checking role. In 1987, Dale Hawerchuk agreed to be the guy that gave up some of his offence.

          But this problem is why you so often see surprising choices on the Canadian national team. Patrice Bergeron was largely panned as a selection for the 2010 Olympics (although I suspect he would get an easier ride today) and players such as Kris Draper and Brent Sutter get selected.

          Brent Sutter was a good player, but he stands out for having been selected to the 1984, 1987 and 1991 Canada Cups, while Steve Yzerman, largely regarded as the third best player in the league behind Gretzky and Lemieux, was left off both the 1987 and 1991 teams.

  22. Ian Cobb says:

    Summit Raffle News!

    Our Montreal Canadiens Children,s Foundation Raffle and Fund raiser.

    It will take place at 3pm at the Baton Rouge again, prior to our pre-game dinner. Bring your donations there please.

    Each person attending the Summit, is asked to bring a gift donation so that everyone attending will be able to take home a prize from this years event.

    A lot of people have ask me what they should bring as a donation.
    And because we are all of various financial means, I will just list a few donations that people have brought in past years.

    Some people buy gifts at the Canadiens Sport shop at the Bell Center after the Hall of Fame Tour.

    Hab team sweaters are popular, other Hab shirts and clothing, books, etc.
    Some people have donated hockey card collections, pictures, computer monitors, Hab’s game tickets and much much more.

    Just remember, that this is for charity and that each one of us, will get a wonderful token gift of our trip to this years HIO Community Summit, to take home.

    See you all there.!
    Ian

  23. Ian Cobb says:

    Montreal Canadiens We Are Fans Summit
    ‎2012 HIO Summit News!

    Last day for Summit game tickets is July 18th.
    I must receive your money order by that day.
    I have to pay for all the tickets to the hockey club on the 19th.
    More people coming than any other year.!
    Furthest people coming, from Tacoma Wash.
    Thanks
    Ian

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      I am hoping that the Owners/Players do not rain on our Summit parade. I have ny fingers crossed. Thanks again for organizing this.

      ———————————–

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Ian your mailman and local courier driver must be wondering what business your in these days with the flurry of activity at your house with envelopes pouring in!

      I wonder if there is a way for to announce who all is planning to attend, without it being way too much work for you. Last year being my first Summit, I wasn’t sure who to look for, but did end up meeting all the right people!

      Would be neat if people had an idea of who was attending in order to maybe make that extra effort to meet some of them. Just a suggestion, not trying to add more work to your already large task.

      Cheers bud!

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Good Idea Gerald. But a problem it would be! because of me marrying up people’s handles with their name’s on here. Some want to remain incognito. And some of the wives might find out, etc.

        All fooling aside, I wonder if I should put people’s real names on here. Some women members want not to be identified as women on the board.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Ahh true enough, yah. Well we can continue the old fashioned way and ask people here on the forum.

          No worries bud.

          • Ian Cobb says:

            That’s why we do name tags, and I try to introduce as many as I know, but most people just walk up and say HI! I am so and so what is your name and handle. It can be a great experience and shocker. People are never who you imagine, pretty cool.!

          • Mattyleg says:

            I’m actually much fatter in person than I am on here, for example.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFab says:

            I’m planning on attending incognito!

  24. Boomer says:

    Heisenberg posted this video on here yesterday, who’s in favor of signing Bryan Cranston to our fourth line?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMEq1mGpP5A
    Occupation: Professional Hedonist… aiming low and exceeding expectations ;)

  25. Steven says:

    On the subject of failing another year for high draft picks, and those who support that…

    If the season is shortened as predicted(And, heck, it sure seems like we’ll be waiting till December for hockey, although waiting until at least September before we jump the gun makes sense), this would be the most bearable season to tank. The season would have less games, so we’d have to watch a bad on-ice product and suffer a lot less than we did this year.

    Just as well, after waiting till the season begins, especially coming off of last season, we’d maybe want to see a winner this year…

    Hmm………

  26. commandant says:

    Jonathan Bernier demanded a trade, where would he fit in?

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/16/wanted-goaltending-jonathan-bernier-looking-for-a-net-to-mind/

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    • Boomer says:

      NYI maybe?

      Occupation: Professional Hedonist… aiming low and exceeding expectations ;)

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      florida? sharks? oilers?

      • commandant says:

        Florida has Markstrom if they decide to go young.

        Doubt the Kings give him to San Jose where he could burn them for years.

        The Oilers committed to Dubnyk. And have a few prospects behind him.

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    • JUST ME says:

      If Brian Burke had any clue about hockey he would go for Bernier instead of BSing about Luongo.

      If he had any hockey sense he would also go for A.K. a 20 + goal scorer garanteed. Saying that he does not show up every night for the Laffs is an expected event when you deal with Dicone Phaneuf as your captain…For a very low price you instantly add a top scorer on your team.

      Not that i am trying to help TO but after all these years of mediocrity it`s not even fun anymore…

      • JF says:

        I doubt Burke wants to risk finding himself in the same position as last year, with two young, inexperienced netminders and no veteran backup. Bernier has no more experience than Reimer. He may have all kinds of potential, but it takes several years for a young goaltender to become consistent. An option for the Leafs that 24Cups mentioned a while ago is trying to pry Michal Neuvirth away from the Capitals. He has more experience than either Bernier or Reimer, including playoff experience. I would expect the Caps to go with Holtby and a veteran. As for AK, it was not the Leafs’ offence that was the problem last year but their defence.

        • ed lopaz says:

          when a team is looking for a goalie they need to look for TALENT first. talented goalies can be successful even when they are young.
          Price comes to mind as a good example.
          sure any athlete will be more consistent with experience, but a young bernier can be more effective next season then his “experience” would predict.

          how does a goalie get experience?
          a team decides to go with TALENT and they play him.

          I think Bernier would be a very good choice for the Leafs, and I think Burke would be foolish not to consider this option very seriously.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            The only caveat here is that Burke gets fired if the Leafs don’t make the playoffs.

            Luongo gets him into the playoffs.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Chris says:

            Michal Neuvirth is a pretty talented goalie himself. I think the Leafs would be smart to look at any of Bernier, Neuvirth or Enroth before they thought about taking on Luongo’s contract.

        • rnnoble says:

          Neuvirth as an experienced presence? Neuvirth is the same age as Reimer and Bernier, and has about as many games played as Reimer.

    • accp says:

      Bernier would be a great backup for price and a Quebec Boy to boot. if price can’t get it done. maybe Bernier could.
      Price would be good trade bait if Bernier proved to be better.

  27. Mattyleg says:

    Hey, here’s something I find HI-LARIOUS:

    The concept of “Overachieving” and “Underachieving” coaches (or teams) that has become commonplace in the world of punditry.

    It’s such a non-thing.

    Pundits and commenters have invented this idea in a sad attempt to somehow justify their poor predictions. Here’s what I mean:

    Pundit A in September: “The Shartville Sharts are a fantastic-looking team who will finish in the top-3 of the NHL, while the Hurlsburg Hurl don’t have a prayer and will finish below last place.”

    In December, The Sharts are in last, while the Hurl are at the top.

    Pundit A: “This result is very easy to explain; the Hurl are a team led by a coach who has overachieved, while the Sharts’ coaching has dramatically underachieved.”

    So…. nobody ever ‘achieves’, their ‘achievement’ (either over or under) is determined only by the pundit’s (or more than one pundit/journo/commenter)’s ability to accurately assess the team.

    We need a coach who can get our team to overachieve! People cry.

    No, we need a coach who can get our team to achieve.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HardHabits says:

      That is such BS. You’re just saying that because your a die hard fan of the Short Falls Underdogs, who historically always over-achieve. Even when they come in last.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Mattyleg! Mattyleg! Urgent Urgent

      Did you see Ian trying to reach you in a post earlier. He left a phone number you can call him at. He did not get your stuff as yet.

      Anyone reading this and can pass it on.. email or otherwise, pls do.

      Ian’s number (never post a phone number on a blog)

      • habstrinifan says:

        Don’t know why you deleted the number moderator. It is the HIO Summit number as posted many times and often by Ian.. and which I copied from his earlier post and pasted here so that Matty will not have to find that post.

        While you were doing that I hope you had the foresight to contact Matty using the profile info which you must have access to and inform him that Ian wants him to phone him.

        Edit: If you go to Ian’s post directly to Matty earlier under this thread you will see Ian having included the number I pasted here and you deleted. This is the time stamp of that post.

        Ian Cobb

        July 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm

        Once again I learn the lesson that no good deed goes unpunished.

  28. JayK-47 says:

    I’m just gonna carry on like the 2013 NHL entry draft is the next hockey we’ll see. With the random trip or two to Hamilton to catch the Dogs.

    So, if the Habs hit the 2013 draft and it goes to lottery, shift looks good. If the Habs win #1 overall, they pick again at 60 BUT, they’ll have Nashville’s and Calgary’s picks sprinkled in there.

    If the Habs lose like champs, they’ll pick 30th, 31st and then have Nashville’s and Calgary’s picks to swing for the fences. And then they pick 61st and 62nd. That’s like 6 2nd round picks for Timmins to play with. Craaaaaazy.

    EDIT: Crap, nevermind, they’ll pick again at 91 and 92. I’m so stuuuuuupid!

    Yay.

  29. Bill says:

    Can somebody explain to me why the players aren’t paid during a lock-out? They have individual contracts.

    I mean, I know if my employer locks me out, it’s because our contract has expired. But the players sign individual contracts with employers to be paid, and I don’t really understand how they can be locked out and denied money.

    If the lockout lasts a year, do they just lose that year of money? Or what?

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Bil I think it is as simple as the fact they are paid to play NHL hockey. If there is no NHL hockey there is nothing to be paid for. My recollection is last time, that was money lost. However, the union does have a warchest, or they used to, to provide some kinds of payments to the players.

    • habstrinifan says:

      The lockout can only come into effect when the CBA expires. And all players salaries are tied into them ‘working (individually signing their contract) in accordance with an existing CBA. So it goeS like this. The NHL makes a proposal set of terms for a CBA .. basically covering their end to have a CBA.. but the players refuse those terms so they refuse the CBA. The NHL then locks them out and since the players are not under an existing CBA they are not paid.

      Note in 2004-2005 some exceptions were made for seriously
      injured players.

      In 2004-2005 the union had a ‘lockout fund’ from which salaries were paid.

      Note any player who ‘breaks union solidarity’ and accepts the NHL terms (thus accepting a CBA) will be entitled to be paid.

      Way I understand it anyways.

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    Looks like we are set for a long Bras-de-Fehr.

    Positives are we lose one year on the Gomez contract and our youngsters gain a year of experience without being rushed.

    Negatives? A random draft pick next year is likely worse than what we would have achieved on our own.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • wjc says:

      Boy are you ever positive. Whatever will you do when Gomez is gone?

      Who will fill the void, maybe you should think in terms of Gomez is a convenient whipping boy and relieves stress, much like Brisboise did.

      The big question is who will replace Gomez, as the player to blame for everything that is wrong with the Canadiens.

      Gautier is blamed, even though they have players that will be the future in Hamilton and a bunch of draft choices coming up.

      No, I digress, Gomez has to be the lightning rod for all that ails the Canadiens. It matters not that his team mates like and respect Gomez. They only have good things to say and would like nothing better then to see bounce back.

      But, if you cannot see it, you cannot see it. You have been trash talking Gomez so long, you would think he never had 9 or 10 good seasons in the NHL.

      wjc

      • HardHabits says:

        Gnomez already is a void, to be voided and avoided.

      • commandant says:

        So a 7.3 million dollar cap hit for 14 points is what? Not deserving of being criticized?

        I’m pretty sure that there are a few rookies we could pay a lot less for the same production Gomez brought last year.

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        • wjc says:

          Factor in injuries for one, factor in coaching problems. You must factor in the fact that a lot of players had off seasons.

          Look no further then ovechkin (sp) to see what a defensive philosophy did to him. He looked kind of lost most of the season.

          7.3 million is a lot of money, but in today’s hockey/entertainment market ????

          Coming down to 5.3 and 4.3 million, not to worry it is not coming out of your pocket. The money would be spent somewhere. When they are signed it is always in the best of intentions, and sometimes things don’t work out.

          One playoff round covers that amount and more. Since Gomez has been in Montreal they have had 4 play off rounds amounting to around 75 million dollars. So when he comes back this year and they make the playoffs and go one or two rounds you could throw another $40 million dollars to that $75 million.

          So in theory Gomez has paid his way, after all it is a team sport.

          wjc

  31. HabsFanMTL says:

    i’d of kept Staubitz for the fourth line and just got Prust for 3rd line duty since he is a better player…..we didn’t need Colby. Staubitz Nokia White as a fourth line……..Moen Eller Prust 3rd line. It only makes sense Staubitz makes what ….500,000…….

    • Mike D says:

      I guess that depends on what you want your third line to do. Armstrong averages close to 0.5 a point per game career, Staubitz is nowhere near that. And Armstrong is only a 1mil cap hit for us. If Eller has offensive potential he needs SOME people to play with who are capable of getting points.

      That said, I did like Stauber. Good team guy.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  32. Habs1996 says:

    gomez should put back his old number :P
    its 91 if im correct
    11 doesnt fit him..

  33. wjc says:

    Let’s all have a moments silence, and think positive thoughts about Scott Gomez.

    Picture him setting up goals and popping the odd one. Picture him as first star in some of the games. Picture him being mobbed by his team mates after 4 point game and a Canadiens win.

    THINK only good positive thoughts, forget the past, just think of the future. Think how that will impact the Canadiens. Think how excited you will be watching his comeback unfold.

    GOAL SCORED BY…..SCOOOOOTT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMEZ, crowd cheering, and Bob Cole saying whats his name number 11 Scott Gomez…..comeback player of the year……… who would have believed it.

    I will sit back and say “humbly I did…..yes I did”.

    wjc

    • habstrinifan says:

      I played along and actually framed in my mind a pretty exciting scene where Gomez’s 4th goal of the night ricocheted off the stanchion and fooled Toronto’s goalie, and inched it’s way into the net.

      This was around game 20. And it came at a very important time for Scott. Everything was set for him to be shipped off to Hamilton and LL brought up.

      I saw the fist pump and ice-length skate as Gomez, overcomed with elation and vindication celebrated as wildly as an Alaskan gold miner discovering a huge stone. Gomez was still celebrrating when the assists were announced. He skated to the blueline, arms wide opened, to give P.K a bear hug.

      P.K. promptly skated away with a disgusting look on his face.

      The next day P.K was traded and Gomez’s contract was extended. and Narweed blogged that he was right all along.

      Then I woke up sweating!

      • Bripro says:

        “Then I woke up sweating”.

        Good thing trini, because I was about to ask you what you’ve been consuming.

      • naweed235 says:

        wow you sir, are something else.

        • wjc says:

          Well, thank you “naweed235 I will take that as a compliment.

          Maybe you could help me spread the Scott Gomez good vibes. I know Gionta wants him to bounce back and recapture the magic they had in New Jersey.

          Terrien is the coach to help Gomez help the Canadiens.

          wjc

          • habstrinifan says:

            I think he meant “I was something else” and since he didnt define what ‘something else’ means and since I am a conceited , pompous and charming, I would assume he meant to say ‘extraodinary and special’

    • HabFab says:

      Who knows what the “end game” is? I believe the hard line opening offer was a message that although things have been going good on paper, major changes are expected from the end result.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yah, I hear you. I just think this will make Fehr dig his heels in, and I just want to see hockey, which I don’t think I will see at the NHL level in 2012.

        • HabFab says:

          Fehr is a pro. I believe on the salary cap % issue, the owners are united but not so on some of the others. Hopefully it can lead to the beginning of the end for Bettman.

          • Bripro says:

            I don’t know how much of a pro Fehr really is. But if history is to repeat itself, he will have no qualms in having the players walk out on the season, to prove a point. Hopefully you are correct in seeing the Buttman packing his diapers. Vamoose!

            Little chipmunk……

        • wjc says:

          You see, that is where I and you differ. I think it is to early to draw any conclusions, regardless what the T.V. talking heads say.

          Right now it is just opinion and no one has any facts or any idea what the game plan is regarding negotiations. Everyone has there hand close to there chest.

          It would be stupid to strike/lockout now for both sides.

          wjc

    • wjc says:

      kbhab4ever: You cannot realistically say that “nobody” gives him a chance.

      You have to careful of your credibility when you start saying “0% chance, nobody thinks this or that”, because you cannot pretend to speak for everyone.

      You ask a question about where would he play, where would his spot be. Well, I could say first of all he will play center. Eller would possibly go to wing. D.D. at one time came to camp as a center and found a home between Cole and Pactretty. Hardly anyone predicted that.

      I am just trying to convey and I must say not very well apparently, that even though you accuse me of having my head buried somewhere, at least my head still works.

      You say, you speak for everyone and you know that “nobody” supports making any decisions at training camp and that it is 100% impossible for Gomez to earn a spot on a last place roster.

      Then you call yourself “humble”, maybe I am wrong, but I don’t see the humility. Try to slow down, relax, take a deep breath and reconsider your stance.

      wjc

  34. frontenac1 says:

    I’m OK with Noke. He’s a cheap fill in,not bad in the circle and he drops the mitts on occation.Plus evertime I see his face,I keep thinking about the videos of those Finnish guys “The Dudesons” They’re nuts!

  35. Ian Cobb says:

    Matty!

    I did not receive anything from you as yet!
    How many tickets and which seats do you want my friend, I have to pay for all tickets on Thursday morning.
    Call me right away please.

    If anyone out there has a e-mail for Mattyleg tell him to call me please.

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  36. Gumper Knows Best says:

    I’m gonna stand by this too. One or both. Argue if you want.

    Come back players of the year!

    Bourque. Proven 3 year +20 goal scorer. A big guy and Therrien project. He came here messed up with 2 suspensions last year and arrived to an organization from One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. Why should he have cared when few others did?
    “No Cookies for you” said Gauthier and Cunny was Cunny duh.

    Armdog. Burke and Wilson screwed with Versteeg and ran him away to Florida. See his stats there? Armdog had an A on his sweater in Toronto and was hurt. Armdog scored 22 goals 4 years ago and 15 goals 3 years ago playing only 15 minutes. Never mind 22 goals, who had more than 15 goals on the Habs last year? Cole and Pax were +30. The rest? Plekanec 17 and DD Ekker 16. Next? AK at 12 and he only played 53 games.

    • pmaraw says:

      your point about armdog is… armdog.???

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        pmaraw
        Why do you even bother? Isn’t there a buzkashi semi final going on for you?

        • pmaraw says:

          perhaps, but you really didnt say anything except that armstrong got 15 goals 3 years ago in 15 minutes of hockey. that is pretty good, i’ll admit… but I dont really see what your point is. 3 years ago, the habs had a pretty good team and didnt do too bad… 3 years ago was 3 years ago. or is your point about armstrong that burke and wilson screwed with versteeg? I hope you stand by your point about armstrong, i just dont know what it is. I do expect he’ll have a better year than last, if he can stay healthy.

    • Ron says:

      Be nice to see Bourque come back with a working attitude this year. Maybe with a fresher coaching staff and approach he can. As for Armstrong, I hope he dosen’t get run over in the first laffs game and get hurt again. Should beable to get a few more goals than Darche.

      • db says:

        I agree this will be a better year for Bourque.. he had the suspensions going on, has never played in the East (it’s less North-South IMO) and came to a gong show… added to that, his name is the most French on the team.

        Several years ago, during his offseason when he was RFA he was asked by a friend of mine if he would consider playing for Montreal. My friend was checking him into a hotel and greeted Bourque in French (little did my friend know…), anyway RB replied “No way!”. It was at a resort, in a very relaxed atmosphere, and he then mentioned he was RFA. He said that he wasn’t sure about all the media and the French, but he hadn’t actually been to the city.

        The way I see it, Bourque will be a new man. He seems like the type to take a while to make friends and get comfortable and nobody was having fun last year (except maybe Scott..). I can see him easily getting 20 goals this year, especially with some PP time right in front of the net.

        As for Gomez… ugh… so if next season plays out under the previous CBA and there’s no amnesty, do you let him near your team? Tell him he’s not invited to camp? Or just have him on the team, with no entitlement, and tell him to earn a spot. Since we’re not a contender… ugh.. there’s just no positives to having him around imo..

  37. ooder says:

    salary or no salary i just don’t see where gomez fits.
    our potential lines right now are:
    pacioretty-DD-Cole
    gionta-pleks-bourque
    armstrong-eller-prust
    moen-nokia -???
    why would you put gomez as a fourht line winger… that would make him even more usless.
    I also don’t think the habs are going to stunt the development of younger guys anymore (thanks PG/JM) for gomez’s sake.
    ——————
    The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

    • HabFab says:

      Wouldn’t bet the rent on Gomez not playing. He is either traded or plays…I really don’t see him being sent down to Hamilton.

    • Max_a_million says:

      White?

      Isn’t Nokaleinen more of a depth guy? He is paid like it for sure.

      I think they are going to play Gomez on the fourth line. He should be a better choice than Nokaleinen, and I don’t see any other forwards coming our way.

      • ooder says:

        oh man i knew i was forgetting someone!!!! good call on white.
        thing about nokia is his face-offs which is what he is known for.
        once again.. a plus over gomez (and most of our centers)
        ——————
        The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      Like I said
      Gomez will not be at training camp
      Gomez is a negative dressing room figure contrary to media belief
      Gomez cannot function under Therrien
      Gomez is gone
      It is only the the CBA negotiations holding up the best decision for Bergevin to make.
      The new gang will not let Gomez poison the cart and letting Gomez back kills the new management
      New management has political capital and it will not be wasted on Gomez
      Owner Geoff has given his blessing
      Think people

    • petefleet says:

      pacioretty-DD-Cole
      gionta-pleks-bourque
      armstrong-eller-prust
      moen-nokia -???

      I don’t believe that there is any room for Gomer either. He’s not a fourth line centre. Period. It’s not his type of role. LL is not here either. Another year in AHL would do him good anyway. The blank here could be filled with Boom Boom Jr but I think he would be better on a third line. Not sure if Prust should be third or fourth. Fourth seems like a better fit.

      Should be a good year even with the changes made…if Markov can stay healthy and and and.

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  38. HabFab says:

    Stubbie laying down the law to the negative nellies;

    Dave_Stubbs – What do I have in common w/ volleyball players? We both block. So to those claiming not winning Olympic gold is losing – see ya

  39. frontenac1 says:

    Wjc. LOL! Good one!

  40. Max_a_million says:

    So Eller between Armstrong and Moen could be a dangerous third line with some grit.
    Right now it’s what Gomez between White and Prust I guess … Prust and White will be nasty to play against, and I guess Gomez adds puck control being optimistic here.
    Desharnais between Cole and Pacioretty has been quite successful thus far.
    That leaves Plekanek with Gionta and it seems like you have to try Bourque there in the short term.

    That’s 3 pretty good lines, and if Bourque can be decent maybe 4. With Nokaleinen in the press box to cover for injuries and such.

    Unless they find a good forward alogn the way, I imagine this is what we are looking at.

  41. frontenac1 says:

    Hobie, That’s Hilarious!! First time I saw it.Thanks Man!!Hola!

  42. wjc says:

    On September 16th I awakened and there was no strike.

    The price of tickets was the same, there was no hike.

    I cheered my favorite players the one’s I like,

    And if Gomez does come back, I won’t be right,

    Send him to Hamyton anyways…..boo !

    wjc

    • boing007 says:

      The ticket prices already went up 2.5% for next season. If I remember correctly.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  43. Michael says:

    A team can improve without the addition of a high priced UFA provided the team is young enough and has upside potential.Young players like Pacioretty,DD,Eller are capable of getting more points next season.A lot hinges on Markov,but if he is only 85% of his former self that’s a huge boost for the Habs right there. Can Bourque return to being a 25-30 goal man…good chance in his second year in a new organization he will be more productive.Can Gionta give one last 25 goal effort.Good chance.Subban,Kaberle,Plecs?Can they have better years offensively? absolutely.Can Moen repeat,Can Armstrong contribute 12-15 goals and 10 assists…he is able.That’s a whole lot of “what if’s” but none of the above scenarios are beyond reality.They are very real because these players have done it before.Yes we need an impact winger..every team can use those but this has been a poor UFA crop in 2012 and I’m not sure Doan at his age or Semin at a high price and inconsistent effort is the answer.The answers will come with young upcoming players,Galchenyuk and Collsberg may just have what the Habs need,and 2013 should provide a better crop of free agents.

    -Doc

    • wjc says:

      You forgot the Gomez comeback…..just an over sight I suspect.

      wjc

      • Michael says:

        No,I didn’t include Gomez.I don’t see where he could possibly fit into the lineup.He hasn’t played well for 4 years ,3 in Montreal,and his year in New York.Stick a fork in him..he’s done at the NHL level.

        -Doc

        • wjc says:

          He played well in his first year in Montreal 59 points….last year in New York 58 points.

          Well, I am certainly glad you are nowhere near the team. You are making these decision without the benefit of Training camp. Is training camp just a formality…..decision already made why bother.

          wjc

          • pher pher says:

            Agreed.

          • Michael says:

            which centreman would you move to make room for Gomez ?If you think he’s going to turn into Brad Richards over the summer….I think not.Of course he’ll get his chance in training camp,I’m just saying at 32 it doesn’t look good .The league seemed to have passed him by,not convinced he can play the rugged style required.His performance is more suited for the Swiss A division.

            -Doc

  44. frontenac1 says:

    Agree with fastfreddy on stuck in TO post.Interesting how taxes on players should effect Cap. Does a players permanent residence determine his final tax payable?(Ie does he get to recapture those taxes he paid in Que.on his US or Canadian filing?).Any Tax guys out there help on this one?

  45. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Is there a reason that the cap doesn’t slide to take into account where a player has to pay his taxes? In other words, if Habs players are getting hit harder, why isn’t the Habs cap adjusted so that the take home of their entire rosters is competitive with US-based teams?

  46. frontenac1 says:

    Jcc. Do you also consider Rick Dudley and Scott Mellanby mediocre at best?

  47. boing007 says:

    I’d like to know how high ticket prices have gone up in the last ten years or so.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  48. frontenac1 says:

    Jcc.Was mainly referring to re-organization of front office with good hockey people. Important first step. Jury is still out with the on ice stuff,but I like the fact that front office has better people to make the adjustments.Granted ,compared to the mess of the last few years ,anything is an improvement.

  49. 24 Cups says:

    Assuming that the Habs go with a 23 man roster and don’t graduate any non-professional prospects, the following players fall into the categories listed.

    Locks: Price, Budaj
    Markov, Subban, Gorges, Emelin, Kaberle and Boullion
    DD, Cole, MaxPac, Pleks, Gionta, Gomez, Bourque, Moen, Eller, Prust and Armstrong.

    No Waivers: Dumont, Geoffrion, Leblanc and Nash

    Defense Waivers: Weber, Diaz and St Denis assuming the Habs go with 7 Dman.

    Forward Waivers: (3 spots open, 2 if the team goes with Diaz and Weber) Blunden, Noke, Palushaj and White. An extra spot opens if Montreal puts Gomez on waivers.

    Goalie Waivers: Desjardins

    Injuries, the 23rd man (positional) allotment and the Gomez contract will obviously impact the situation. However, as of today, this is basically what the team will look like. Players such as Weber, Leblanc, Geoffrion and Palushaj are going to have to be lights out in camp if they have any hope of making the team in October.

    • HabFab says:

      I expect White, Nokie, Diaz and Weber,all with one ways, are here until traded.
      The others are call ups.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Frank – Injuries will play a part to be sure, but I expect that you are right.

        Palushaj is on the clock, even if it’s not fair – the thought of Weber as an 8th Dman/swing RW makes my want to cry. I was hoping we would turn the page on crap like that.

  50. Ian Cobb says:

    Mattyleg!
    I did not receive anything from you as yet! What name did you send it to me as. Yours right! No I did not receive anything from Mat Legault.! How many and which seats do you want my friend, I have to pay for all tickets on Thursday morning.
    Call me right away please. 613-968-9807

    If anyone has a e-mail for Matty tell him to call me please.

  51. LA Loyalist says:

    to Canadien Errant, re Billy Bragg union post, you might also enjoy the old Strawbs tune “Part of the Union” which was actually a song by the Hudson/Ford, the bassist and drummer. Unfortunately the intended irony was utterly lost, and it became a British union anthem.

  52. frontenac1 says:

    I think Marc has done a good job on the Re-build so far.Agree with posters about the need for a Top Winger.I think a more urgent need is to aquire a big,nasty,crease clearing D to protect our most expensive longterm investment.Not much out there in the market now,so would have to come via trade. I would hate to see Carey get injured from those frequent scrums and muggings in his paint that we witnessed last year.I hope Marc addresses this early on.Hola!

  53. habsavvy says:

    heard Doan refused habs generous offer.
    just another player not wanting to play here, even tho his cousin, Price plays here.
    so Doan is just anothrer player to boo.

    • DCH says:

      Source?

      Yes Price is his (second) cousin, but that shouldn’t be the only determinant in him coming to the Habs. Keep in mind a few things as well:

      - Doan had an incident a few years back where he was accused of anti-Francophone remarks being made to an official. Considering how hockey mad Montreal is, especially our Francophone fans/media, do you think they’ll forgive him for his alleged remark? I wouldn’t want to get tarred-and-feathered every night at work for a mistake I made years ago. Would you?

      - Doan has deep roots in Pheonix. Second to that, he has roots in BC. What does he have in Quebec, besides Price and higher taxes?

      - Imagine playing hockey in the desert your whole career, to be transported to a perpetual spotlight in Montreal? That’d got to be a tough pill to swallow.

      …and so on. As much as I’d love Doan to be on the Habs, I don’t blame him one second if your above post is in fact, true.

    • Considering Doan’s age and what little he has accomplished in his career, why would he want to play in Montreal?

      If I were in his shoes, I’d be calling The Pens. If there is one team on this planet that has a chance to win the cup on any given year I believe it is them.

      Besides that, he has to do what’s best for his career, and coming to Montreal is not that.

      As a fan of Montreal, we have enough players over 30 that aren’t doing it for us. No need to bring in one more to add to the problem. What if’s are like _______, but what if Doan played his last great season, and where ever he goes now is just a paycheck?

      No thanks, I can handle losing with what the Habs are building through drafting and development, but absolutely hate causing out own demise. In a few years this team may look really great, where would a 38 year old Doan fit in then? (assuming he wants a 5 year deal)

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    • wjc says:

      Oh please, don’t boo him, it will hurt his feelings. Gautier got Cole to Montreal he would have brought Doan here to.

      wjc

    • chemic says:

      another player to boo….

      this kind of s**t is exactly why people dont wanna play here.


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