Saturday night on the road

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The Canadiens are in Nashville, where spending Saturday night at the hockey rink is not exactly a tradition.
Back home, it’s starting to feel like hockey weather as we gather around the television sets to see what Don Cherry says about Tampa Bay’s trap tactics.

Red Fisher on the 1-3-1 and Claude Noel’s take

Gomez, Budaj face Predators

Boone on two Canadiens defencemen

Pat Hickey on Predators’ milestone

Stu Cowan on Bryan Berard

SK74 likes Nashville

Frankie the Bull back in action

Michael Farber’s Stealth List

194 Comments

  1. PrimeTime says:

    As usual, a lot of assumptions being posted by “don’t-know-it-alls”. Some teams we play have a theme. Whenever Habs play one who has a former player that “got away” it’s always JM does not know how to coach young players, he’s too old, and the organization does not know how to develop players. All rightful opinions but ignorant and biased to fit an agenda suitable for the game. Fans will always point fingers and assume the grass is always greener on the other side yet, like disgruntled employees, they keep coming back…..full of assumptions and ignorant of details.

  2. twocents says:

    Further to the “discussion” below:

    From what I see on HH’s list of boo hoo losses, there is one first line, first pairing type player: McDonaugh. And that loss sucks. I hate it. And hated it when it happened.

    The Habs are hardly alone in doing this, it’s a risk of the business.

    I also regret losing Sergei and Lats from a talent stand point, but ignoring how these two behaved while here is nothing more than convenient revision.

    Their behaviour, and that of several of the others, is a symptom of what I described below. Why are they doing better in backwaters, largely because they are more focused and realize they are not rock stars.

    • HardHabits says:

      My point, and it appears only SF09 gets it today, is that regardless of whether they fit the team or not the players I mentioned are active players today. It is not that the Habs are not good at either selecting and developing late round picks, rather they do that well, their issue is retention of the player or return if let go.

      It goes to my belief that the best way to build a team is via the draft. The best players the Habs have lost since the last Cup were the ones that were drafted. The fire sale of players back in the 90’s set the team back to the point that it is still spinning it’s wheels in the mud today.

      How would the Habs have treated Ovechkin if they drafted him? Would they have tried to turn him into a defensive forward? Would they have surrounded him with smurfs? Would he have been benched for his first mistake? Would he have been traded away for a career AHLer because he had too much of an attitude?

      Patrick Roy had an attitude. Rocket Richard had an attitude.

  3. showey47 says:

    I wonder what JM was like as a high school teacher in peterborough?

  4. Habsrule1 says:

    While I’m sorta ready for new blood behind the bench (Patrick Roy), saying that JM is a bad coach, etc, etc is a bit off-base. He’s coached over 1200 games in this league with a better than .500 record, while winning division championships and a Jack Adams trophy. An arguement can even be made that he would have made the final if he had decent goaltending.
    I’m not his biggest fan but all this backlash is a little over the top. I doubt the last couple years is the first time he’s had to deal with young players.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  5. habs11s says:

    Hey TSN,

    Scrivens has won TWO NHL games in his career. You do not need to have a miniseries about him just yet, and stop calling Gustavsson (sp?) ‘The Monster’ unless you start calling him the ‘Monster Bust’

    In Habs land, I think we need a real energy fourth line, and while I was a sort of fan of SK74 in Montreal, he was a talented hockey player with a 10 year old attitude and needed to go elsewhere

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    • Everlasting1 says:

      SK has accomplished/proven a lot at 11, wouldn’t you say?

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      “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • habs11s says:

        As long as you hold his hand and tell him that he is number 1, he will always be a happy player…

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        “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  6. habsfan reduxit says:

    ” … as we gather around the television sets to see what Don Cherry says about Tampa Bay’s trap tactics”

    … is there anyone out there who cares what Cherry has to say about it … or anything else for that matter??

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  7. habsrock says:

    How about bringing back Kirk muller …I know he don’t speak French but aleast the team played for him

    • Chorske says:

      Explain to me how the Habs aren’t playing for JM?

      • HardHabits says:

        @habsrock: You might want to also give him a refresher on how words could have more than one meaning.

        • Chorske says:

          Bah. If you’re going to use words, make sure you know what they mean. If you’re going to try to make them mean something else, at least have the balls to define them so other readers know what you’re talking about. The people who advocate tanking need to decide whether they mean that the team should lose on purpose (i.e. throw the games) or whether they mean that the team should “generally continue to suck despite management’s best efforts”, which the rest of the world simply calls “losing”, not “tanking”.

          This is not a semantics argument. It’s a call for people to stop pussyfooting and say what they mean. And yeah, maybe also use the dictionary every now and then.

          • showey47 says:

            I’d love to be in the habs dressing room to hear what the players would have to say when they are asked to throw games. Especailly when 16 of them are playing for new contracts this year.

          • HardHabits says:

            Yes because I always advocated throwing games. You can find hundreds of examples of where I blatantly say the Habs should throw games. Unreal.

            I am sure every team that ends up last was throwing games too. Shame on them for being last place because they obviously planned it.

            Grasping at straws.

          • Chorske says:

            You are jumping about like a jitterbug on space cake.

            You challenged me on semantics. I sent you packing with a flea in your ear, suivant next. I never accused you of being an advocate of tanking (read my posts carefully). But you are just chicken shit enough to ride the fence, by semantically muddying the waters around the definition of “tanking”. And I am calling you out on that. Define tanking as per HH, and then stick to that definition. That is all I ask.

        • twocents says:

          Boy, you really like to be slippery about this. You can call it whatever you want, but if it’s deliberate then it’s a loser’s move plain and simple.

          If you advocate it as a strategy, it is by definition deliberate. That’s what strategies are, deliberate approaches.

          • Chorske says:

            Basically, the tank crowd are saying, WE DON’T MEAN BLACK SOX TANK, WE’RE JUST SAYING THAT MANAGEMENT SHOULD STOP TRYING. So, fine. The former is called “tanking” i.e. CHEATING, and the latter is called “losing”. It astonishes me that anyone who spends a significant amount of time discussing sports would consider EITHER option a pathway to success. It’s fecking nonsense.

      • The Dude says:

        Oh here we go again….bring on the Box of Rose Coloured Glasses for all the Hab fans that think this team rocks,lol….It’s bad enough that my team has sucked for OH SO MANY YEARS,but then to have someone doubt your judgement and viewpoint on it is well…a joke ,eh! And as for the statistical fan on this blog …was it Mark Twain who said that statistical analysis was the best form of embellishment.’He used other phrasing’

        • Chorske says:

          I think Mark Twain would have looked at your posts and barfed in his mouth a little.

          So YOU tell me: what is the evidence that the players have stopped playing for JM?

          • showey47 says:

            There is no way this team has quit on JM. Considering they outshoot their opposition pretty much every night and have given up the 3rd least amount of shots on goals per game shows this team is working hard at both ends of the ice. Taking into consideration we are in the bottom half of the league in both powerplay chances and most penalized. If there is a team who looks like they have quit on their coach its columbus..

          • Chorske says:

            SHowey, I keep thinking to how the Habs came back and tied the game after a woeful start in Phoenix. This team is 100% try. No sign of giving up on the coach at all.

            I don’t agree with many of JMs decisions (DUde needs to learn to read) (or maybe his short term memory sucks, can’t imagine why, just sayin’) but I don’t see any evidence of throwing in the towel.

  8. HardHabits says:

    Why is it important what mistakes other teams do? Like I really care. The only good thing about seeing another person’s mistakes is learning from them. Are the Habs learning or making the same mistakes is the only question I am concerned with. Pointing out other team’s mistakes doesn’t gloss over the errors the Habs make. As a fan I am in the business of seeing my team succeed. My grievances are with the Habs errors not the Leafs or the Flyers.

    As well a good fan, a good organization, sees other teams successful moves and accepts them for what they are.

    Have I ever refrained from mentioning and lauding that Rivet was traded for Gorges and a 1st round draft pick that led to Pacioretty? On the contrary. I point to it as the type of moves I want to see the Habs continue to make in abundance if possible.

    It’s always fun though to see the usual Habologists twisting and turning in their circular and closed-minded positions.

  9. The Cat says:

    We can talk about talent retention, draft picks gone, at the end of the day though, theres no hiding that players’ offensive numbers go down the crapper in Montreal.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  10. twocents says:

    For Sharp and Seidenberg, Philly got a completely finished Petr Nedved, the long forgotten Matt Ellison and a third round pick.

    • HardHabits says:

      You want some cheese with that?

      • Chorske says:

        Oh come now. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. Twocents whines pretty much never. And his point is valid.

      • twocents says:

        Look who’s friggin’ talking. You’ve got be kidding me.

        You’re the epitome of whine, HH.

        My point in all this is that you can’t just look at the this sort of thing without putting it into context.

        I agree that retention and return have been a weakness for the Habs. But, a few things have to be recognized when considering this.

        Firstly, this isn’t some second tier hockey market where players largely go unscrutinized. Many players have had a hard time performing to their potential here, just like in tarranna and New York to a lesser degree.

        Secondly, you have to acknowledge that the Habs have graduated a boatload of players since Houle was removed. Largely second or third tier talent mind you, but a team can’t retain that many players at that level. Especially when some are unhappy, have visions of grandeur, and/or persecution. Montreal is a pressure cooker for hockey players.

        Lastly, return on second and third rate talent is usually not the type of thing that alters franchise’s fates. Could it have been better, for the most part, absolutely.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Love the posts. It’s so easy to crap all over the Habs without knowing that every team has done the same or worse.
      Unfortunately winning the Cup isn’t quite as easy as bitching about your team on a website.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  11. C_exacte says:

    Remember when Subban hugged SK on the bench cause he was crying?? what a great memory.

  12. Mike D says:

    Sorry for the non-hockey post guys. A buddy is in Montreal tonight and wants to know where the best poutine is? Can any of you help? He’s downtown so preferably somewhere in the vicinity.

    For the life of me I can’t remember the names of any place in particular or the location.

    Thanks in advance.

    – Honestly yours

  13. HardHabits says:

    If I had a nickel for every time a habologist comment was made here…

  14. Xsteve50 says:

    I wanted to comment on the 1-3-1 the other night. I don`t know what the issue was, if Phily didn`t want to advance the puck, then a simple `Delay of Game`penality should have been called. I`ve seen it called in Minor Hockey when coaches or players try to burn the clock at the end of a game. 1 or 2 short handed situations will end it once and for all.

  15. twocents says:

    Just noticed that HH reached back to 2001 by including Komisarek. If we do that for Philly we can add:

    … drafted, developed, and lost:
    Patrick Sharp, Dennis Seidenberg, and Jeff Woywitka

  16. twocents says:

    The “Canes have drafted, developed and lost:

    Jack Johnson and Andrew Ladd.

    The sad thing about looking them over is the how friggin’ few picks they graduate.

  17. twocents says:

    The loafs have drafted, developed, and lost:

    Alex Steen, Carlo Colaiacovo, Matt Stajan, Ian White, Tukka Rask, Anton Stralman, Jiri Tlusty, and Victor Stalberg.

  18. Mark C says:

    Has Sergei offered an explanation of why he quit on his team and teammates twice when refusing to report to Hamilton?

    • The Cat says:

      Remember when MaxPac said -I dont want to come up to Montreal and only play 4-5 minutes on the 4th line, Id prefer to stay in Hamilton instead…Theres your explanation

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Mark C says:

        If that’s true, then shouldn’t have SK wanted to go to Hamilton and played more instead of refusing to report there?

      • Everlasting1 says:

        +1

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        “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Everlasting1 says:

      He was sent down to Hamilton twice and excelled. Continued treatment was a slap in the face. Some players have pride/belief in themselves and feel they deserve better. He was true to himself and did what he was compelled to do for the sake of his future.

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      “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Chorske says:

        A slap in the face, how, exactly? How else is a player supposed to learn to put the team first, and their own selfish (dare I say arrogant) concerns second? This is a kid who petulantly missed a team flight. A baby rolling on the ground screaming is being “true to himself”, too.

        • The Cat says:

          I know what you mean, but sadly these aint the 1950s anymore.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Chorske says:

            Please. In the 50s Sergei would have been shipped to the Hawks, which at the time was the worst punishment one could inflict on a player.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Please..’put the team first’..how naive. It’s a business, with personality conflicts. Look around the league..how many owners, GMs, coaches exemplify such a loyal/self-sacrificing attitude? Who is selfish? It takes 4 sides to build a winner.

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          “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • The Cat says:

            Well said.

            [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Chorske says:

            Well said? None of it made an ounce of sense

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Chorske, you ever quit a long held job for another in pursuit of more money, better opportunity? That’s all you need to understand. Make sense?

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            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Chorske says:

            That is a horrible simile. A better simile would be: dude is the new promising guy at the firm expects to be promoted immediately, thinks he deserves special treatment and lets everyone know about it. COmplains about his bosses, doesn’t follow company policy, and behaves inappropriately. When given a task he thinks is beneath him, he doesn’t come into work. WHen called out, he files a grievance. Eventually becomes such a pain in the ass that his bosses write him a nice letter of recommendation so he can get hired somewhere else. Somewhere FAR away.

            Now THAT is a proper simile for what happened.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            How toolish. That’s YOUR assessment. He’s been a starter for the Habs since ’07, and I don’t recall him being overly demanding for any special treatment/promotion, other than perhaps expecting some respectable ice-time and JM not relegating him to a 4th line grinder role in which any moron can see he’s not cut-out for/suited to, as he’s too talented.
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            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Chorske says:

            Aaand he misses flights and fails to make the team bus because he’s so damn good. Bah. Try again.

            Who are these four sides? WHAT FRESH HELL IS THIS?!

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Owners, management, coaching staff, players.

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            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Mark C says:

        Many players before establishing their NHL careers have to ride the AHL/NHL shuttle and almost of them do it without quitting on the team they play for.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          It ain’t the military, following orders.

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          “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Chorske says:

            Christ on a Bike, you are a piece of work.

            The Habs owned his rights. He SIGNED A CONTRACT. He knew there were no guarantees. The contract explicitly included the possibility that he would be sat, or benched, or sent to the minors. He was too much of a kid to just buckle down and learn the lesson. Count me among those who think the Habs were too lenient on him.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Chokers, no one truly owns anyone in today’s league. There are lessons to learn, as it takes two sides to draw up a contract. A contract that management can move should there be a fallout.

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            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Chorske says:

            I thought it took four sides?!

            Ahh, EH1. Meth is a hell of a drug

        • Malreg says:

          Fun fact, Logan Couture was sent down and recalled 7 times during the 2009-2010 season.

  19. DAVE. N says:

    ..Reading the posts about lost draft picks/ SK’s fortunes/misfortunes,etc…
    I’m very concerned with where this team is going to be for the next 3 years. If my count is correct there are 3 RFA’s that will be looking for big money, and 11 UFA’s that will need new contracts and big money. I suspect half of those will be elsewhere.

    The questions are:
    Are PG and JM capable of handling younger players?

    Is the Molson family ready to spend the $ ?

    Are the rookies we keep inserting/removing from the lineup getting the ice time needed to be a part of next years team?

    Who shot JR?

  20. Some observations:

    DD is really struggling. For the first time since he was called up last year he’s really looking like an AHLer. Even with the two big power forwards on his line he can’t generate anything with soft minutes. Very worrisome unless JM puts Gomez in the 3C slot.

    Gorges is a better defenseman now than he was before the surgery. His improved stride allows him to make better pinches and be less cautious. However this forces P.K. to play more conservatively.

    Whatever the reason for Emelin sitting (whether it’s coming into camp out of shape or communication issues), it has to stop ASAP. JM has proven his point and Diaz is a complete mess.

    Phoenix plays a more boring system than Tampa Bay does. For all the vitriol directed at Guy Boucher I don’t for the life of me understand why Dave Tippett is so loved. The refs let ‘em play Thursday night, but if that game was called regularly it would have been a disjointed mess of interference and hooking calls. Reminds me why I hated watching the Dallas Stars when Tippett was coaching them.

    In the last 8 games Subban has been on the ice for only 1 even strength goal against that wasn’t an empty netter, he’s +5 over that period. Sophomore slump my ass.

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    • DAVE. N says:

      Your observation on Gorges is really good, Andrew. I’m a bit concerned we are seeing the best of him for a year only. Isn’t it accurate that PG signed him for 1 year only, and he is to become a UFA? pity…

      • showey47 says:

        I’m thinking the 1 year was a “lets see how your knee holds out” reasoning by gauthier. I believe gorges gets resigned to a 3 to 4 year extention. Before i get the “he should have done the same with markov” responses,remember gorges was a rfa which gives gauthier leverage and markov was a ufa. If markov would have gone to july 1st somebody would have given him similar money and term.

        • Chorske says:

          The way the deal went down brought some howls of outrage and more accusations of the Habs management sabotaging key players. But it made perfect sense. The deal made sense for the Habs for obvious reasons: they get one year to see if the knee is good, as you point out. But the deal made at least as much sense for Gorges as well, because he is now going to go to the table with (hopefully) a full healthy season under his belt. And to those who think the Habs lost bargaining power by not signing an injured guy to a discount contract when he was at a disadvantage, well, how do you reason with people who think that way?

        • Showey has the right of this. The team had almost no choice with how Gorges and Markov were handled. You don’t try to break balls on term with a star player going into UFA. At the same time they didn’t want to be tied long term to two defensemen coming off major knee surgery. Gorges was the lower guy on the totem pole as he should be.

          I agree with Showey that Gorges will be signed long term at some point. The team values him and he knows it. He represented the team last year at the Winter Classic unveiling, and he wears an A now. He’s not going anywhere.

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        • montreal ace says:

          If PG wants to start making this team his, he should sign Gorges to a new contract as soon as possible. I really dont like the fact we wait till the season is over to start talking contract. I dont think I would take his leaving the team too well.

        • The Dude says:

          That makes no cents when you look at the Markov signing.

      • Neutral says:

        why didn’t he do the same with Markov.

    • habsrpast says:

      that’s because he is an AHL player, just like Eller.
      these players are overhyped, anothing more than 4th liners, minor leaguers.

  21. slychard says:

    Funny guy this Sergei.

  22. twocents says:

    The Flyers have drafted, developed, and lost:

    Lucas Sbisa, Steve Downie, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Colin Fraser, Jonathon Matsumoto, Alexander Picard, and Joni Pitkanen.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      They also got back Brayden Schenn, Waye Simmonds, Sean Couturier and Jakub Voracek for Richards + Carter. They dealt away talent but they got serious returns.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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      • I think you’re missing the point of what Eric is trying to illustrate. And they lucked into Couturier, you know that.

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        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Agree Couturier was luck, but hey they landed an 8th overall pick. Canadiens have managed to get an extra pick in the draft (2007, Pacioretty) just once since their 2000 draft of Marcel Hossa and Ron Hainey (Ouch).

          Issue is despite what PHI has done, they generally get better returns and HH is right to argue as he has in the past while, MTL hasn’t done well in retention/return on talent.

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          • Montreal also hasn’t traded a Mike Richards or Jeff Carter in their prime on long term deals, so that’s apples and oranges as far as I’m concerned.

            If we’re going to bring up HH, I’ll use of his arguments. Winning is all that matters, the Flyers haven’t won jack since the 70’s.

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          • twocents says:

            Andrew already made this point, but comparing return on D’Agostini and Lappierre to Carter and Richards is kind of playing fast and loose.

            And… have the Flyers won the Cup?

          • HardHabits says:

            8 – 4 – 3 is still better than 6 – 7 – 2.

            I also remember we both being on opposite sides of the spectrum on this one too. You claimed that Philly was going to be a lottery team because of these moves I surmised that they possibly got better and would be a contender on the short as well as long term.

            Who is better poised to make a run. Philly or Montreal?

            Stay thirsty my friend.

          • Chorske says:

            Right this second? Jury’s out.

          • “You claimed that Philly was going to be a lottery team because of these moves”

            That never happened.

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          • HardHabits says:

            Here are but two examples:

            http://www.hockeyinsideout.com/news/confirmed-markov-signed-for-three-years

            Andrew Berkshire JUNE 23, 2011 11:47 PM AT 11:47 PM

            Habs get stronger and the Flyers get MUCH weaker. Great day in the Eastern Conference.

            JUNE 24, 2011 12:26 AM AT 12:26 AM

            As for how they got weaker, Simmonds and Voracek are good players but nowhere near the level of Carter and Richards. Philly will be weaker for 3-4 years at least.

            I’ll find some more if you like if you don’t get to them first and edit them. :-P

            Lottery team might have not been said but the way you described it that is a fair exaggeration as it could be suggested it was alluded to. You said they were going to be weaker and I said that they would still be a very good team short term and would get better on the long, notwithstanding the Bryzgalov signing which I think was stupendously stupid.

          • Where does the term “lottery team” enter into it? The Flyers are undoubtedly a weaker team this year than previously, at no point did I say they were a lottery team or that they would be terrible. They were an elite team and at the moment they aren’t one. Apparently subtlety is far beyond your intelligence.

            Make ONE argument in your gorram life without a strawman, maybe you’ll earn a little respect for once.

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    • clubdehockey says:

      I don’t think trading for very good return counts as “losing” ?

  23. twocents says:

    Souray sure is making Edmonton look like a bunch of schmucks isn’t he?

    They paid him millions and millions to ride the buses last year and he’d be leading their team’s D if he was still there now.

    To top it off he’s costing them 2.4 million off their cap this year and another 1.5 next year.

  24. HardHabits says:

    The Hamilton Bulldogs sure look like they are a threat to compete for the Calder Cup again this year.

    The Habs drafted, developed and lost:
    D’Agositini, Chipchura, Higgins, Komosarek, Sergei Kostitsyn, Grabovski, Lappierre, Latendresse, O’Byrne, McDonagh. Say all you about how they are all bums not worthy of sporting the glorious CH. Blah blah blah.

    Whether it’s mismanagement of assets or wasted picks, the Habs are trending towards stagnating at the NHL level while becoming weaker at the farm level.

    The consistent pattern of the Habs putting resources into making the play-offs each year has brought the organization right back to the point it was when Gainey took over from Andre Savard.

    I don’t think this is the best team we’ve had in long time at all. I see this team as being worse than the team we had prior to the BGL and Tanguay acquisitions.

    What I do see is a good young core to build around. Unfortunately that young core is being bogged down by an overly expensive veteran core and a coaching and management team as conservative and uninspired as they come. As well the team looks to be no better than a perpetual after thought in terms of play-off viability, which makes any moves which require picks or prospects to prop the team up all the more painful to witness.

    Tanking wouldn’t help the Habs. They’d either blow the pick or squander the asset in the long run, either by mis-management or by getting burnt on the trade market.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      HH-David you are right on about the organization destroying value and depth of what we had on the farm a few years ago.

      Bring them up, and if Martin can’t change them around to play his crappy style of game, then they get moved out of town for very little in return.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Komisarek and OB, Pylons whose statuses were raised far above what they were by one Andrei Markov. Chipchura has been placed on waivers more than once since he was let go. Guimauve lacked anything resembling passion for the game or a sense of guilt for playing as such for 3 years and then blaming everyone but himself for it.

      McDonagh I get the argument, let him go far too early. SK mishandled by JM? Seems to be the case, although NSH may have been the boot in the ass he needed but the return was garbage. Higgins, let’s not forget it took him his fourth team after leaving MTL to finally sort himself out. Lapierre, energy player that was not consistent, no team has a use for that. D’Agostini wouldn’t make the Top-6 here, and he’s not a checker, issue is the return on him. Grabovski, that could have gone better as well, but the team using up the 2nd-rounder they got for him for Lang’s 50 games could have been better spent. The issue is return on that talent HH above all else, that and romanticizing some bums.

      And the Bulldogs are depleted from the Canadiens pulling in their five best NHL-ready prospects, further dealing away Brock Trotter, letting other AHL vets walk in the last couple years, Palushaj on a yo-yo with the Habs this season plus Brendon Nash on IR has hampered them. Wait until next year when their entire D is reshaped by Beaulieu/Tinordi/Ellis/Pateryn plus three fresh forwards in Bournival, Gallagher and Kristo.

      The team’s issue remains to avoid dealing important picks in the 2012 draft, retain their current farm talent. Picking twice in the Top 60 of 2012 is important, plus Timmins finding his usual late round sleeper.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HardHabits says:

        I agree that some of those names are not necessarily stellar but they are still active NHLers. Those picks IMO were squandered whichever way you want to look at it. Add the 1st, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd lost for rentals and you get the bleak picture I am trying to paint.

        As a fan yes I am upset, because a team that wants to drag itself out of mediocrity and take a stab and entering the cream and class of the league needs to do much, much better with regards to keeping or flipping assets.

      • DAVE. N says:

        great breakdown of info on the asset columns…and agreed with the next few years. I believe that Montreal will have a “rebuilding” tag,simply because of the drained assets in the bank. Unfortunate that “rebuild” and “CH” may be linked

  25. twocents says:

    Sheesh, do the Flyers have egg on their face for moving Versteeg for less than they paid for him.

    He’s ripping it up in Florida.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Have to admit I am very impressed with what Versteeg is doing. He looked average at best in Toronto, and didn’t seem to flourish in Philly either.

      I always thought he was a very good 3rd liner in Chicago benefitting from the powerhouse top two lines.

      He is impressing me with what he is doing in Florida. Good on him.

  26. twocents says:

    Do you realize what the Ducks gave up to get Beauchemin back after letting him walk for NOTHING?

  27. habsfan0 says:

    This isn’t “Expos Inside/Out” but it was sad to read about Charlie Lea’s passing. I was at the Expos/Giants doubleheader on May 10,1981 at the Big Owe when Lea ended an Expos losing streak by tossing a no hitter at San Francisco in the nitecap. A year later,a friend and I were in San Diego,staying at the same hotel as the Expos (Sheraton Harbor Island) when we ran into Lea with his wife. He was extremely personable and chatted with us at length. Another part of our past is gone..

  28. twocents says:

    Boy this tanking stuff really is the balm isn’t it?

    Just look at those Isles.

  29. twocents says:

    Can you believe Yzerman still has a job after letting Mike Smith go for NOTHING… especially after the franchise gave up so much to get him.

    Like nothing, as in zilch.

    And he’s doing great in the desert with a shitty D.

    • Mark C says:

      He also just lost 7th ranked (Hockey’s Future) prospect, Mattias Ritola for nothing when he tried to send him the AHL.

      At least they drafted Brett Connolly instead of Jeff Skinner, so they have that going for them.

      • twocents says:

        Yeah, and Boucher is a modern genius who knows that the key to success is an uptempo offensive game that allows players to express their creativity.

        I swear it’s true, someone who really knows his “stuff” told me so, right here on HI/O. ;o)

  30. LL says:

    This from the Nashville blog:

    Fortune has not looked favorably upon the Canadiens so far, as they’re driving the Shots For & Against battle decisively both at even strength and on special teams, but they just haven’t reaped the rewards yet. So don’t be fooled by that overall record, this is a strong opponent coming into Bridgestone Arena tonight.

    Well said.

  31. twocents says:

    So when does the other shoe drop in Columbus?

    And who will it stump?

  32. habsrpast says:

    so it’s it a wonderful sign when players(current and former), say that Jm never talks to the players.
    that’s why this team is so bad.
    If the fans, broadcasters and players see that, why can’t Geoff Molson?
    that’s why I’m boycotting hab games.Molson only cares about making $$$, and doesn’t care about the fans or winning.

    SHAME ON YOU GEOFF MOLSON!!!!

    • Miltie01 says:

      Just like when Samsonov used to say the coaches never talked to him. Yet reporters said they saw Carbo and him having hour long video sessions trying to help him out.

      JM talks to the players, he just doesn’t hold their hands and kiss their asses.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Perhaps there’s a diff between ‘talking’ to players, and ‘talking down’ to players. Listening is a two-way street, as well.

        ——————————————————————-
        “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • habsrpast says:

        NO HE NEVER EVER EVER TALKS TO THEM!

        why do you think the player’s miss Muller so much?
        because he communicated with the players.

  33. Habsrule1 says:

    I was dissapointed to see SK74 go even though I had heard he was a distraction. I would have liked someone to have reigned him in a little cause I saw great potential. What he says about the lack of communication is unreal.
    I really think we need a coach that values the players more. Maybe that’s not quite the right way to say it, but I like the approach of speaking to the players every day or almost every day to get into their head space a little and see if there is anything they’d like to discuss. I know associate coaches can do that but I’m of the opinion that players need open lines of communication with their head coach.
    I hope JM resigns after this year and we bring in Patrick Roy, assuming he’s a communicator.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  34. Blouin says:

    What kind of Habs contingent is there in Boston? I just moved to Beantown and as you can imagine, I’m pretty outnumbered. LOTS of sideways looks in my Habs jersey at Stop and Shop.

    Any interest in a Habs HIO Summit Lite in Boston? Either comment here or email me (tyler (at) innovationtechnologyllc.com).

  35. mike3131 says:

    The last time we scored a goal against the Preds was on January 15, 2009. Markov (with assists from Cousin Robbie Lang and Homosarek) is the last Canadien to light the lamp on Pekka Rinne, who is riding a shutout streak of 138:55 against the CH. Hope we can break the streak tonight!
    And I don’t mind Budaj playing. Yes, he had a miserable pre-season, but you can’t deny that he was solid against Florida.

    • JF says:

      I remember that game. It was a wild one, with the Predators winning in overtime. But I don’t think Peka Rinne was in goal. It was Chris Mason and someone else. So Rinne’s shutout streak is 120 minutes. In both of the last two games, the Habs totally failed to show up.

  36. Ian Cobb says:

    (Nashville) Sergei Kostitsyn fans, rest assured: the young Belarusian going well and is happy in Nashville. It is not tomorrow the day before it will begin to country, but he found there a certain stability.

    “It’s an organization where the atmosphere is very friendly, describes Kostitsyn. And the big difference is that I play much here! ”

    After entering the tops of 23 goals and 50 points in his first season with the Predators, the former black sheep of Canadian seems to have found common ground with coach Barry Trotz, an excellent communicator with whom he has good reports.

    “It’s very different from Montreal, where the coach never says anything to his players, Sergei launches. Here, the coach comes to see us every day and inquired about our state of mind, he tells us what he likes and dislikes. In Montreal, the coach never talks to his players. That’s all I know. ”

    Faced with a slight wound in the lower body that made him miss the last game, Kostitsyn should still be at his post on Saturday against the Canadiens. This will be a 12th game for the 24-year-old winger has already amassed three goals and eight points.

    Kostitsyn has also shrugged when we told him that his brother Andrei would not be able to take part in the match.

    “It does not bother me that he plays or not. He is afraid, that’s why he does not play! ”

    Sergei sacred.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http

    SERGEI HAPPY IN NASHVILLE!

    Typical brotherly love eh…

    • Ian Cobb says:

      This sure say’s a lot for the woes of our hockey club and how many players we have lost from bad coaching.!

      • Miltie01 says:

        Sergei was not lost to the coach, or managment folks, no matter how much you want to believe it !!! As a matter of fact Calgary offered a huge deal for him earlier in the season he left, but theyb were told no as Sergei had too much talent to trade ! Kostitsyn wrote his own ticket out of Montreal. He decided he was a rock star and the team leaders got together and told the GM they would not play with him anymore. It is only after his teammates got mad that he was traded. Had he been a team player, he would still be here.

        • Ian Cobb says:

          Your wrong Milton! He wanted to move on because he was fed up with Martin.

          • Miltie01 says:

            You are wrong, It was reported during our run to the eastern conference finals. Just because it doesn’t fit into your narrative does not make it false.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            SK is proving you wrong, milt.
            ——————————————————————-
            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Ouch.
      Seems like SK has been reborn on the bayou. Transplanted for greener plantations, experiencing harmony n’ rhythm in the ole southern foot stompin grounds and twang of a banjo. Merrily meandering down the river on a pontoon, and finding his moxie. :)

      ——————————————————————-
      “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Danno says:

      Even if he honestly feels this way wouldn’t it be classier for Sergei to just keep it to himself?

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • HardHabits says:

        I prefer SergeiK’s honesty to Briona Gionta’s canned responses.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Nah. Not after the treatment he received by JM, brass, mtl media, fans. Not to mention Price overstepping his authority in calling him out at practice.

        ——————————————————————-
        “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • Miltie01 says:

          Never let the facts get in the way of a good story

          • Everlasting1 says:

            The fact that he’s excelling elsewhere on good terms? His story/facts is corroborated by many.

            ——————————————————————-
            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HardHabits says:

            At least he’s providing an opinion. What are you providing?

        • Habsrule1 says:

          There is no such thing as overstepping bounds by calling out a lazy teammate. I wish it happened more often. and when you say he was mistreated, what are you referring to?

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Was it about laziness? Where is your proof? From captain Price? From media? Look deeper.

            ——————————————————————-
            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Ian Cobb says:

        No one ever said the kid was classy my friend. But he was a talent that Martin did not know how to control or use properly.

        • Miltie01 says:

          Again, he was a talent that the rest of the team refused to put up with.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Nice story. I think SK put up with a lot of benching and diminished ice-time, to the detriment of the ‘team’.

            ——————————————————————-
            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Ian Cobb says:

            His attitude soured playing for Martin, just like a lot of others have. Team mates did not approve how he expressed himself about it.

  37. habs001 says:

    Next week the team plays back to back canes/islanders so Budaj will probably get a start. He may play great today but i would go with Price as probably we are looking at having to win 2-1 so we cannot give up any bad goals…The key will be to get the first goal

  38. Ian Cobb says:

    Help!

    I need the phone # of the radio station in Mtl. (I think it is 990) and the name of the broadcasters for the Hab’s games. E- mail if you might have it. ASAP.

    Thanks
    Ian

    • Psycho29 says:

      Ian,
      Here is some info on TSN 990:

      (514) 931-4487 is the main office
      (514) 790-0990 is the studio

      Wayne Bews is the General Manager

      Mitch Melnick does the afternoon show and might make an appearance at the summit if requested….

      The Play by play is done by John Bartlett with colour by either Bobby Dollas or Sergio Momesso.

      See you next Saturday my friend!

  39. SeriousFan09 says:

    Habs left Price hanging out to dry for 2 years now against Nashville, time for them to pull it together by themselves and get a win by scoring a GOAL (Rinne has 2 straight SOs against us) since Budaj is in nets.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  40. jonnyp says:

    Gomez will bounce back!!!

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    6 DAYS TO GO! BOYS & GIRLS! THE PARTY’S ON.!
    130 of us this year from all over North America.!

    5TH ANNUAL 2011 HIO HAB FAN SUMMIT NOV. 18,19 & 20.

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given as we watch the Hamilton Bull Dogs on big screen.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8 or 8:30am. Mike Boone and other guests will be joining us. You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    We then walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame Tour for 10:30am and the Bell Center Tour is at 11:30am. You need to purchase a $5:50 ticket for the Bell Center tour.

    Media and HIO Fan event.

    1pm after the tours there will be a professional presentation put on by former concussed hockey players. Kerry Goulet, Keith Primeau and other players who are Involved in educating the effects of concussion, depression and neurology rehabilitation.
    (location is the Novotel hotel, just up the street)

    3pm the Children’s Foundation Charity raffle and pre game dinner at the Baton Rouge restaurant. bring one item each if possible please, so everyone can win a gift to go home with.

    Rejean Houle will also join us at the dinner with a Canadiens team signed stick for the raffle.

    Then we walk across the street to the Hab’s and Ranger’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts again this year and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO family and special guests.

    See ya there.
    Ian Cobb
    HIO Fan Summit Organizer (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Hey Ian,
      Put a ticket aside for me for next year. I wish I would have committed for this one. You guys are going to have a great time again.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Ian Cobb says:

        I have to get tickets in Aug., ahead of the general public. But I need money orders from everyone in advance, to confirm them.

        It is a hassle for sure, but a least we get tickets together. The raffle charity money that we donate is a large reason we get them.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Anyway, I know I lost my place in line, but I miss going and hope to get back in next year.

          Enjoy it!

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  42. Mavid says:

    smashville?…really?

    second place is just the first loser

  43. CranbrookEd says:

    There may be a fair number of issues that the NHL is trying to deal with. Regarding the 1-3-1 fiasco involving the Flyers and Lightning, Mr. Bettman apparently said ““If this became too prevalent and too much of the game and too regular, then I think we’d have to deal with it, and we will.” How ineffective and weak can that response be!!? IF you know of an issue and can take action BEFORE it becomes a widespread problem, then do so. DO NOT wait for more of the same . . . Mr. Bettman’s comment was the best example of weak-kneed leadership that I have heard in a long time . . .

    As for the Rome hit last night, it should be an easy case of a suspension. Watch the replay, paying particular attention to his knees. There is clear extension of knees in order to gain elevation when making the hit . . . it is that sort of action that should have no place in the game . . . if Rome had continued towards the player and made the hit without that extra vertical effort, then no suspension.

    CranbrookEd
    Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”!

    • Malreg says:

      So you would rather a knee-jerk reaction from the Commissioner? You want him to make a major change that would completely alter the way almost every team plays the game, because of one incident?

      • CranbrookEd says:

        In this case, yes. If, as was the case in this situation, you can see a clear pathway for other similar situations occurring in front of 18 or so thousand paying patrons, then action is required without endless meetings (and studies/committees) eventually coming to the same conclusion. In this situation, if the player refuses to move the puck, it should be a delay of game penalty . . . this situation is not a major game changing situation, as the likely-hood of it spreading across the league is minimal . . . it would be a response to something that just should not have occurred nor should it be allowed to repeat itself . . .

        CranbrookEd
        Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”!

  44. JohnBellyful says:

    [BLAHHHHHHH!] You know what the air horn means, folks, time for another Milt Dunno face wash. And I’m going to be exhausted by the time I get through handing them out this show. Which is more than you say for the Flyer and Lightning Bolt players and their coaches who didn’t work up a sweat putting on that shameful display of table top hockey this week. All because of the trap. Like you find in a drain, which is where the sport is headed if Guy Bouchleague and Peter LaToilette get their way.
    Hey, you strategic geniuses, how about coming up with something that actually produces exciting hockey and increases your chances of winning.
    Both parties are equally to blame: Philadelphia for not advancing the puck beyond its blue line and Tampa Bay for not sending in a forechecker to break up the ‘play’. Hey, Peter, why didn’t you at least try getting the puck into the Bolts’ end and setting up a trap to find out what the wunderkid’s answer is to his own brilliance.
    Me, I woulda sent four players fult tilt toward Tampa’s end and have the player with the puck blast it to either side of the net just before they cross the Bolts’ blue line. Now that’s a four-check, and I like their chances of retrieving the puck before the other side does.
    What you should know, if you don’t know already, ya twits, is that honeywagon hockey ain’t gonna sell the game. Even a smirk like Pronger recognizes that. What’s that tell ya?
    Okay, Peter, Guy, Flyers, Bolts, stand up – time for your face washes. Don’t move.

  45. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Once again, thanks to JM we lost SK to the Preds & I’m sure we’ll lose more with him steering the ship. I just think the Molsons don’t give a damn. Full house every game, big bucks in their pockets & life’s good.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

    • G-Man says:

      You don’t sign players that will not fit in or will not work within the system the team is using. As a 2nd year player, SK behaved like a jerk- not listening in practice and missing the team bus. He was a distraction. I am glad he’s gone, along with Grabo.

      • slapshot777 says:

        +1

        To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

      • CranbrookEd says:

        Could not agree more . . . then the issue is either the HABS are acquiring/drafting too many players who do not toe-the-line nor listen to their coach or the coach is approaching the younger players with the same method(s) that he used 20-30 years ago . . . something needs to change somewhere . . . perhaps a coach with a “younger outlook” is what we need?

        CranbrookEd
        Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”!

    • Neutral says:

      G-Man – you may be glad they’re gone – How’s your team doing

  46. Neutral says:

    I have a feeling tonights game will be much like Thursdays game against Phoenix – Hope it’s the same result.

  47. rhino514 says:

    I don´t like Milbury at all either, but I do think the time has come for either instituing an illegal defence or some other change to the game.
    To put it simply: What if a team, protecting a lead, collapses to the point they basically have five players blocking the net? A hockey net is not that big. There is no way the puck is going to get through. This is a reason goals are down to close to two a game per team.
    Watch, it´s gonna happen eventually; teams will do whatever they have to do to protect a lead WHEN LOT IS AT STAKE. Maybe not in an early season game, but in a playoff game or a crucial game in the season.
    This is also a reason successful power plays barely manage a 20 percent success rate….That´s one out every five! Teams block the net down low. Hal Gill alone flopping in front of the goalie as he does can take up close to half the net.
    Either an illegal defence is instituted, or else widen the net a bit, or widen the rink to intl standards, or penalize players for lying/falling down on the ice to block a shot (this makes the most sense, as I believe hockey should be played standing up, there just isn´t enough space for a player to circumvent lying players in front of the net)
    Of course none of this will happen for a long time, and countless 2-1 games will continue for probably another decade. Guys who hit the eighty point mark in a season will be very feew and far between.

    • G-Man says:

      The simple solution is to watch basketball. That game is a farce. Touch me and it’s a foul. Look at ref wrong- foul.

      The Flyers had no answer to the 1-3-1 and played like idiots. It all starts with their coach- who won with the 1-3-1 with the Canes.
      Goal scoring is down because the coaching, Dmen and goalies are way better than they used to be, period. In this era, Gretzky would not be a point per game player. He’d be a smurf.

      • sag says:

        Are you kidding? True he was slight, but he was an unbelievable athlete and you don’t need to be a neanderthall to be a good hockey player. You didn’t see 99 play if you dont think he’d score 80 points a year, IMO.
        Also, it is true that the NBA is a farce, but check out the final four in march if you have a problem with basketball as a sport. It will make a fan out of anyone.

        • G-Man says:

          No contact- no watch. Too easy to score.
          And, no, I am not kidding about Gretzky- these days he’d be eaten alive.

          • LafleurFan says:

            Gretz was the equivalent of Steve Nash and Allan Iverson rolled into one with the Everready Rabbit’s durability. Didn’t really like the Great One.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • sag says:

            We will have to disagree then. I also remember contact in the late 70’s through to the end of Gretzky’s time. The Adams division playoffs were battles every year. Nords, Neely’s Bruins No contact?

          • NCRhabsfan says:

            No contact in basketball? Clearly there is more than one sport you don’t know anything about.

    • 1010 says:

      If I recall correctly Bob Gainey at one time suggested to the rules committee that players should not be allowed to go down to block shots. It was not received well…generally speaking.
      Perhaps the concept should be re-visited.

      GO HABS…

      • Clay says:

        I remember that as well…
        I’m glad it didn’t impress the other GM’s though – it becomes a slippery slope from there; do we allow a defenceman to dive to knock the puck away from a player then? Same principle isn’t it? But that’s an exciting part of the game I don’t want to see removed, and so is shot blocking. There has to be a better way to deal with the trap.

        __________________________
        Anyway, I’ve never been captain in 16 years in the NHL. But that didn’t stop me being a leader in my own way.
        Guy Lafleur

  48. 24 Cups says:

    I can think of five good reasons why the Habs shouldn’t win tonight’s game. I sure hope MB’s reverse jinx comes through for Montreal tonight.

  49. latendresse was never sent to hamilton because fans and media forced the teams hands to dress the kid, by the time that sounded like a good idea he had played too many NHL games and would have been placed on waivers

    so what is it shiloh, are you advocating management to disregard what the fans want? if so say it outloud plz


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