Sailing into the break on a W and a prayer

Don’t pick out a spot on the parade route just yet.
But a 7-2 win over the league-leaders will do nicely to get Canadiens fandom through All-Star weekend.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Red Fisher’s column

Dave Stubbs column

Photo gallery

Gionta on the mend

Sergio Momesso goes back to school

Stubbs on the great Nicklas Lidstrom

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

• Game stories by Arpon Basu and Sean Gordon

Bulldogs to Laval: François Gagnon has the scoop | But owner says they’re staying in Hamilton


  1. Habs_4_ever says:

    I really enjoyed the win against the Wings, but I would have enjoyed it even more If it had bean the Bruins that we were playing.

    “Can we lose the parade float?…..Thank you!”

  2. shootdapuck says:

    Wonder if the government he hates so much has a little surprise waiting for “Timmah” when he tries to return to the US from Ottawa?

    Surprise: AKA: cavity search.

    PK Subban – Million Dollar Legs, a Ten Cent Brain and a Costly Attitude!

    • Marc10 says:

      I still don’t really know what message Thomas was trying to send.

      Is he a f***wit right winger who thinks the Bush years of out of control spend, war and utter stupidity were a good thing? Is he one of those Libertarian dudes who wants some kind of non-governmental utopia…? Is he a disappointed Democrat or some disillusioned Socialist who feels betrayed by Obama’s campaign of false hope…? Is he anti-Wall Street? Pro Wall Street? Pro Guns…?

      Or is he some Children of the Corn Good Ol’ Boy who just doesn’t like dem coloured folks and Islamists…?

      Hmmm… White guy from Boston… Hmmm… I wonder…?

      • shootdapuck says:

        Nah, from what I can see he hates the entire government system and like his militia buddies endorses the revolution to change everything out.

        Kinda surprised he isn’t trying to dodge the IRS as well that would be in character!

        PK Subban – Million Dollar Legs, a Ten Cent Brain and a Costly Attitude!

      • Clay says:

        He’s a Glen Beck follower…so your last choice was likely closest to the mark.

        ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜

      • DorvalTony says:

        You’re rolling them too tight.

      • Rush says:

        Wow, so much hate from the “If it feels good, do it” left.

        Of course, as we all know:

        “What’s the modern day definition of a racist?”

        “Anyone who’s winning an argument with a lib…”

        “The main problem with socialism is that, eventually,
        you run out of other peoples’ money.” Roll Tide, Baby!

      • --Habs-- says:

        He doesn’t like government stepping into every aspect of life (Socialism) with expensive programs where money goes to la la land without anyone’s knowledge where they’re hard earned money has gone. Call him right wing I you’d like but I call him a brilliant right wing who won’t allow anyone crapping on him like a democrat.

        • HardHabits says:

          I agree. It’s much better to have billions and billions of dollars go to the military, pay exorbitant and outrageous CEO benefit packages and pay-outs, or plain and simply disappear altogether.

          You know what corruption is? It’s when the other guy gets the money.

          • Talik Sanis says:

            But there are other possible explanations that fit the data. For example, Nosek said, a study of left-wing liberals with stereotypically naïve views like “every kid is a genius in his or her own way,” might find that people who hold these attitudes are also less bright. In other words, it might not be a particular ideology that is linked to stupidity, but extremist views in general.
            “My speculation is that it’s not as simple as their model presents it,” Nosek said.

            The study equates simplistic, totalizing beliefs with a lack of intelligence. These are (for the sake of generosity, and I make no claim as to which side I am being generous) common to all extremists, no matter their side of the political spectrum.

            Moreover, their study equates Conservatism with Racism and Fascism. Intrusive government action and the suppression of individual rights are both part of left and right wing radicalism, and racism or equivalent systems of segregation based on class, education, wealth, etc. are equally pervasive in almost all forms of extremism. It is by necessity divisive. Extremists almost by definition need to separate themselves from, and privilege themselves over, other groups.

            Also, why such speculate on the researcher’s part? He should have followed up on this “speculation” and included such a (rather fundamentally important) element in his finished project. To not do so appears, at best, rather lazy.

      • Sal says:

        misplaced reply

        Sal from the Hammer

      • Sal says:

        All of the above…thought I heard TT is from Flint Michigan, home of Michael Moore, of Roger and Me, Capitalism: a Love Story, ect., fame…

        Sal from the Hammer

  3. nickster13 says:

    Hockey players are so boring. In interviews and everything, they never have emotion, say the same recycled things, and are too worried about being politically correct. Can’t anyone have any fun anymore?? I kinda respect baseball and football players more, theyre always fired up and say ridiculous things in interviews

  4. Mila says:

    Wow, anyone read this article yet? The TSN panel picked their projected Sochi 2014 team and guess who came in as the starting goaltender? I guess Crawford may also be applying for the head coaching position next season too.

    “Carey Price, to me, is going to be the best Canadian goaltender in 2014,” Crawford said of his choice to start the Habs netminder. “I actually think he’s the best Canadian goaltender right now”.

  5. habs001 says:

    Going into last thursdays games the habs were 7 points behind the leafs…the habs went on to get 5/6 points including beating the leafs yet they lost a point to the leafs…this shows how difficult it will be to make the playoffs..

    • third generation haber says:

      Very true habs001, but I’ve heard that the Leafs have a nightmare of a schedule coming their way. I don’t think N.J., Toronto, Winnipeg, T-bay, Florida, or the Islanders will be consistent down the stretch. I believe we will outplay all of these teams down the stretch. San Jose was 12 points out at this point last year.

      j.p. murray

  6. H.Upmann says:

    @Seps (sorry on my handset)… Pleks and a 3rd for a top 3…. That would be amazing! And I have to say that there are good Cs out there, but Pleks definately has value…. Just thinking off the cuff, what if DD was traded and pleks filled that spot? But hey, DD is a pretty amazing lil guy.

    • Seps says:

      I thought so too. The knock I have with that is one: would Pleky have as good as chemistry as DD has with Cole and Patches? If not he wouldn’t be as valuble to this team as DD is right now, because as you said Pleky really hasn’t had good chemistry with wingers since the AK27/46 days. And two: let’s be serious we’d be lucky for another team to give us more than a 4th straight up for him, although Habs fans know he’s more valuble than that, other teams see a 5’5ish centreman in an increasingly bigger NHL. On the other hand we could get alot more for Pleky, I’d even be willing to give up a 3rd or 2nd with Pleky for a Sean Couturier type player.

      On a sidenote, they really do need to create a mobile site because I understand your struggles.

      Edit: Sean Couturier type player I see a young power forward with scoring touch.

  7. H.Upmann says:

    @Seps: I see your point about Pleks.. I think he does a lot of things well to make him a valuable centreman.. He’s good on Pk, decent playmaker, has some speed… I feel like he’s had such a revolving door of teammates of which some of them were so hot/cold (kovy, cammy etc), that he hasn’t been able to be as consistent as he would like…. But that being said, I can see him doing well on another team.. Personally I’d like to see him stay with the team.

    • Seps says:

      Yeah no doubt about it he’s a good player, in fact going into this year I thought he’d be our best player and until recently when Cole and Eller stepped up their games he has been but if you could trade Pleky and a 3rd for a top 3 pick would you do it? I certainly would but I doubt Columbus, Carolina etc. would make that trade… What are your thoughts?

  8. price365 says:

    This would be two good lines on any team!

    Bourque, Desharnais, Cole
    Max-Pac, Eller, Kostitsyn

    Start of a good 3rd line!

    ????, Plekanec, Gionta

    4th line we need a complete overall.

    • Seps says:

      This is how I see it

      ? – Eller – Kostitsyn (maybe)
      Patches – DD – Cole
      Bourque – ? – ?

      That’d be an elite group of forwards. I just don’t see pleky fitting in to the Habs lineup anymore, doesn’t hit, mediocre at best on faceoffs meanwhile he plays a defensive role yet lacks the scoring touch to be dominant offensively, we could get something good back though. Gionta is too small and old, he should not be captain and should be traded.

  9. Stev.R says:

    I bet the reason Lupul was an Assistant Captain was because the NHL knew Alfie wasn’t going to pick a Leaf, and Chara wouldn’t have wanted to, and the NHL didn’t want two years in a row where a Leaf got picked last.

  10. price365 says:

    If the Habs trade Kostitsyn. They’ve made mistakes before. This will just be another one.

  11. Seps says:

    I can’t believe I’m saying this but for the first time this year I’m feeling playoffs. 2 good big lines rolling into the break, Price coming off a big 7-2 win – I know he didn’t have to do much but when your team scores 7 for ya it gives you a boost mentally – and Price getting picked 3rd out of 5 goalies by a divisional opponent (lots o’ respect for Price there from Lupul), great confidence boost you can tell by how surprised he was that he got picked “so early” considering he had the worst stats there for a goalie. And like SI said “if Price gets hot, watch for the Habs to go on a roll”

    Go Habs Go !

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      The first time all year at THIS time?
      Habs need to win about 80% of their games. I don’t see it but I find your optimism refreshing none the less.

  12. T-roy West says:

    Colorado has inquired as to the availability of Andrei Kostitsyn. Don’t ask me the source.

      • ProHabs says:

        I think I know who Eklund really is. It is Darren Dregar. This guy makes up more BS rumours than anyone else and none of his supposed deals ever come true. He is no different than any of us arm chair GM’s that propose trades on HIO.

        • neumann103 says:

          I don’t really have an opinion on Darren Dreger but I remember being surprised when TSN seemingly arbitrarily made him their “Insider”.

          I get why McKenzie would be considered an insider because he is plugged in all over the place, but Dreger is just one of abunch of generic sportscasters on the TSN roster. I felt that Dreger was kind of put on the spot and suddenly had to live up to this role as “Insider” despite being no more qualified for it than Darren “Dutchy” Dutchyshen or probably even J-Hedge (and far less qualified than even James Duthy who is the real exceeded all reasonable expectations star of the TSN crew)

          “Et le but!”

  13. duffy says:

    Tim must think our government is OK .He showed up in Ottawa. Wonder if Harper invited him to lunch tomorrow?

  14. skoalbandit says:

    Price snubs chara, love it…bet patches loves it too

  15. Bill says:

    Carey Price is the chillest human being on Earth. Walks by Chara like he DGAF. ‘Cause he doesn’t.

    However, I’m with those who think his laid-back attitude keeps him from being his absolute best. Obviously to be in the NHL he’s one of the best in the world … but I dunno, just a little … anger, or drive … I think he’d dominate.

    Remember John McEnroe? I trained with a sports psychologist years ago who’d worked with him. The shrink said that McEnroe’s temper tantrums – yelling, throwing the the racquet, etc. – were not what McEnroe was really like at all. He said that McEnroe was naturally a low-key kind of guy, and he had to purposely pump himself up to reach competition level. Maybe Carey could take some tips?

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • zaq007 says:

      I disagree with that when it comes to goalies, calmness in a goalie is a good thing

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I think he seems to be more focused and intense in the crease than his first couple of seasons.

      He used to lean back on his heels and come out of his crouch even before the puck was cleared from harms way, almost acting cocky.

      But yeah, he’s still far from fired up and and putting on a show like Ronnie Hextall.

    • JUST ME says:

      Although i wake up at night to hate the Leafs and Bruins , i just did not think the boo bird were appropriate on such an evening. Felt weird anyway…
      As for the game itself i would put it right in the middle of summer just when the ache for hockey is starting to itch. Would be refreshing. Otherwise will probably look at the skills competition but the game itself i can think of quite a few things more interesting to do…

      Funny how when we were kids this game seemed to be magic with all the stars and the relax ambiance. Mind you i remember the time when players use to hate each other with passion so…things have changed…

    • BLACK ICE says:

      Don’t worry Bill, Carey will be pi$$ed & full of anger for not making the playoffs!

    • D Mex says:

      I watch Price almost bite into the mike doing interviews after losses, and I see intensity. I listen to him talk about Boston at playoff time, and I hear intensity. Tells me he tends to hang out on the edge – between calm and intense, which is not a bad place for an NHL goalie to spend time …

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  16. Donnie Murdo says:

    Tough gig for Duthie tonight… He’s throwing these guys laugh bones all night and the kids are all WAAAAY too cool for school. I wanted to punch Jamie Benn in the face.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Woah, lol. Heard some of it live on the radio while driving and thought that some of these young players will see the video of this 20 years down the road and want to punch themselves.

      Then again they’ll be watching it on a yacht in the Caribbean so I doubt they’ll care that much…

  17. Captain aHab says:

    Couture’s grassroots hockey organization of choice for the donation will be the Toronto Maple Leafs.

  18. Habby says:

    Diaz with Price on Team Chara. Going to be an interesting weekend folks.

    The drive for 25 is alive!

  19. Kimberly2u says:

    Too many guys named Marian…lol

  20. Adidess says:

    Pretty sure Diaz isn’t an all star per se. He’s there for the rookie thing

  21. Mavid says:

    love Iggy…he would look fab in the CH

  22. Captain aHab says:

    Alfie trying to put together the All-Loser team.

  23. ogilthorpe says:

    I thought Diaz is in the rookie game… Like Subban was last year?????

  24. Les Canayens says:

    Lundqvuist is standing uncomfortably close to Alfredson.

    ❝ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.❞

  25. Captain aHab says:

    Is she Igor’s daugther? I wouldn’t mind trending her twitter actually.

  26. habsperspective says:

    The chronic Leaf boos are annoying but so fitting.

  27. Mavid says:

    its pretty lame for sure…the whole leaf thing is a bit much…

  28. Strabo says:

    I love it Price walks by Chara and doesn’t shake his hand. BAHAHAHA

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

    • mfDx says:

      This whole draft thing sucks but that was pretty funny. I wonder if Carey will snub him all weekend. That would really piss him off.

      Also; isn’t that a weird image? 30 millionaire hockey players hanging around in a bar setting with no chicks and only chips and bottled water

      Sent from my CHphone

  29. Mavid says:

    your tellin me…I live there..
    Carey almost looked surprised to be picked so soon…

  30. ogilthorpe says:

    Did anyone else see Price snub Chara when picked???

  31. Kimberly2u says:

    Now our Carey is on team Chara and stupid Floppy

  32. Adidess says:

    Happy for Carey, picked by a Leaf no less. Is me or this draft thing is already losing some of its luster from last year?
    Feeling like I care very little what order players get picked. Anybody else feeling the same way?

  33. Captain aHab says:

    Price just chugged his tonic and gin.

  34. Kimberly2u says:

    Poor Carey sitting next to a leaf

  35. Mavid says:

    assclown picks Karlson and Pizza head…what a shock…keep yelling “leafs suck” gawd ottawa fans are friggen lame…

  36. Captain aHab says:

    Chara is one fugly mofo.

  37. Kimberly2u says:

    Mr Floppy is an idiot

  38. Captain aHab says:

    Hey Thomas showed up THERE.

  39. Mavid says:

    one of my co workers got a gig driving some of the players around downtown…lucky bugger..if I had of known…

  40. Mavid says:

    painful for sure..get on with it..who cares about trends on twitter…

  41. BLACK ICE says:

    I’m happy that Carey is not standing next to that POS Mr. Floppy!

  42. Adidess says:

    Don’t really mind the ads, but stop babbling for 2 mns and take a 5mn break!

  43. Adidess says:

    This is painful. Start the picks already TSN.

  44. Mavid says:

    with Kessel getting a car last year…its taken the sillyness away from being last

  45. Mavid says:

    sorry for jumping in late on the TV chatter, i just purchased a 55in Sony LED with full backlight, 240HZ refresh rate…1080P (of course) and 3d…for 1100..bucks…spectacular TV with a great picture…need to pick up some glasses for the 3d yet..but they are a tad pricey..does anyone know if you must by glasses to match the TV or can you use any?..there is quite a price range…thanks

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Who will be last pick tonight, can it be Phaneuf, probably not with Lupul as asst. Captain

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  48. Bim says:

    Whats’s going on with Andrei Markov these days? Its now coming up to 8 weeks after his last surgery. My guess is that he’ll start skating again next weekend for hope of a come back when they hit the road he first week of March (maybe, sound good?) You’ll know by then for sure if he’s washed up or not. I think he is and that’s why all is quiet on the Habs front. What a collasal mess Gauthier made of that situation. He deserves to be fired for that. The best that can happen now is for Markov to retire and get him off the books for next season..amen..and we don’t have to listen to this for another season!

    • solomio says:

      Don’t be foolish. Do you think PG took this decision by himself, spending how many millions of Molson’s money?
      Both ownership and Management in co ordination with the best medical pros in the biz arrived at a decision to sign Markov to a multi year, multi million dollar deal. The organization made a decision based on medical facts and Markov’s value to the team.
      Chances are he will remain with the organization after he’s finished playing ( even if he is already finished ), just as JM is.
      To pin it on PG is just a sign of ignorance. There may be other issues which could drive PG from the post of GM but the Markov signing is not one of them.

      “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

      • habsperspective says:

        Solo, the defence of this team has been the culprit all season long, why you may be correct in the idea others had influence in making this 3 year commitment to the asterisk. PG is the GM, for this exact reason, to make those final choices. Had he had any insight regardless of influence from others, he would never put all his eggs in one basket. Letting 3 other healthy defenceman walk, while signing speculation was the ignorance. He could of signed other players to shore up the defence if plan A, wasnt going to materialize.

        And regardless if Markov stays with the organization or not, he wasnt blessed with 17 million dollars to be the mascot. His only value is on the blue line.

        PG needs to go, before the start of next season.

        • Dulljerk says:

          I’d like to know what medical geniuses pronounced him fit to start the NHL season? Seems to me the Habs got sandbagged by the medical “experts”.

          “Is the little dog going to yap, or is he going to bite?”

      • Bim says:

        Solo..somebody needs to go just as JM paid with is job. For what Markov got at the start of the season Habs could have gotten a top 6 forward and I’positive they would be a ton better than they are now. Imagine them with Brad Richards? Regardless whether it was a community decision or not (U know what always flows downhill..where PG is right now). I’m not a PG fan and I’ll admit that. There are a few things he’s done like the handling of the new coach after he was only on the job for a week. That was bad. Proud Montreal teams of the past never did those things in public. Its time the Habs restored some of there old traditions and made the rest of the league admire the franchise!

      • bellcentre hotdog says:

        Regardless of what the doctors said, here’s what PG knew to be certain before he unloaded $17M on Markov and his balsa wood knee:

        -Markov had played just 45 games in the past 2 seasons.
        -Markov was coming off 2 reconstructive knee surgeries.
        -the Wiz played well in Montreal.

        PG chose to roll the dice and he lost. He is the GM and has to be accountable.

    • habsperspective says:

      Yay, Bim. You see the light. Ive been saying this was the achilles of the team all season. It seems like it was a 17 million dollar retirement package.

      This obvioulsy was the problem with the powerplay play, and hence why there out of the playoffs.

      And also like you, I agree this is a major oversight on PG’s part, and should get the hook for it undoubtedly.

    • kempie says:

      Andrei who?

  49. JohnBellyful says:

    The convincing win over the Red Wings shows what the Habs are capable of doing, and many reasons have been put forward as to why that was the case (for a recap scroll through HIO commentary for the past 20 hours).
    One factor cannot be overlooked and will be critical to the team’s success as the season winds down. It’s …well, let’s just go back to last night’s game, to the first period in particular. What stands out, apart from the Canadiens’ four goals and egregious goaltending by the visitors? It was the sheer exhilaration that filled the building, with the fans and the Canadiens feeding off each other’s mounting excitement. Even the distraction of Subban’s self-centered foolish infraction and subsequent benching was washed away by the tide of exuberance that carried the home side along.
    Can it be duplicated? Of course it can, even in hostile rinks because the team has experienced what can be accomplished with the proper frame of mind, an esprit de corps (not to mention solid goaltending, an efficient defence, incomparable penalty killing, an opportunistic offence, a power play operating at 33 per cent, and astute coaching – but I digress).
    Let Toronto tout its truculence, Montreal will go much, much further with … ebullience. The Broad Street Bullies are a thing of the past. Let a new chapter in NHL history be written by the Centre Bell Ebullies – fleet of foot and flashing smiles. Élan on skates.
    No, they’re not your Flying Frenchmen of yore, folks, but a reasonably good facsimile could prove every bit as entertaining. Even when they lose.

  50. CF says:

    The biggest Move PG can make is to re-sign AK.
    If the Kaberle trade in any way affects keeping AK, it will be one of the worst mistakes in Habs History.
    AK is exactly the kind of player we should keep.
    And right now, unless his agent is blocking it, would be the best time to do it. Heès at 11 goals, but playing huge.
    I realise he has spurts where you don’t realise he’s on the team, but I don’t think he can be replaced. I sure wish we had some news on contract talks, something that would at least show we’re trying to get it done. I realise it’s been an impossibility for our team to stay healthy, but I feel the following line-up next year could make a real push:
    Pacioretty DD Cole
    Bourque Eller AK
    Gionta Pleks White
    Blunden Gomez Moen (or his replacement with similar NA Grit)

    Emelin Markov (or his replacement)
    PK Gorges
    Diaz Tinordi if ready or -(A big strong D man with lots of NA Grit)
    Weber and Tinordi and Beaulieu 7th D man.

    Kaberle, Gill, Darche, Nokia, will not return. My hopes are Kaberle can be traded.
    I believe Gomez will be back for one more kick at the can.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I can’t even talk about Gomez anymore…

    • Le Jadester says:

      Yes sir !
      I agree. AK needs to be re-signed.
      He’s our boy.
      We’ve developed him for the last 4 years.
      He even said he would take a home town discount !
      He cares about the team.
      He’s an excellent hockey player at 3.5 mil.
      His prime years should be with us at 27 yrs. old.
      Great bang for your cap buck.
      Why would we trade him for others to reap the rewards ?

      BTW I like your line combos too. Not bad at all on paper.
      Habs, OLE !

  51. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …@mdp2011 re: LCD, LED vs Plasma TVs

    …here is good breakdown of pros & cons

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  52. Paulin98C says:

    Re: Samsung TVs

    I personally love them! They however have cheap capacitors that tends to blow, and many of them are found for sale cheap.

    I bought a 46″ for 200, a 40″ for 150 and a 26″ for a mere 40$… They all the same problems, 3 blown capacitors on the power supply card. After unsoldering and resoldering, a hefty 20$ in parts, I now have 3 working LCDs!

    LOVE Samsung TVs!

    • Bripro says:

      I probably had the same flat screen and the same problem.
      Also changed all the capacitors (why not, while it’s open) and the problem is fixed.
      I would also suggest, if you’re looking at Plasma, make sure it’s not going in any type of sun or bright room.
      The glare on a plasma is dramatic. My LCD is the best flat screen.
      However, my 36″ Trinitron tube is still the best for watching hockey in my dungeon.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Re: LCD quality

      I deal with a lot of off-lease computer equipment and see thousands of lcd’s a month. My only piece of advice is that the Japanese made screens are built with a much better design as it pertains to capacitors . They seem to really design and build the units to withstand higher hours of use avoiding overheating. Many of the Korean models are not built as such and after a 3 year lease have much higher failure rate. This is just my opinion based on LCD displays, but I believe the same technology applies to lcdtv’s. I highly recommend the Sharp brand for LCD tv

  53. novahab says:

    Good job Boone sticking up for PK. I like the fact you told Bob what your thought, instead of telling him what you thought he wanted to hear. Pk is going no where and I think PG will sit for a little while to see how this team does. Funny how everyone thought Detroit rolled last night but the Habs had the biggest reason to coast. Just maybe the Habs showed what kind of team they really are. Buffalo will be a true test of this team. Bufalo always finds a way to be thorn in the Habs side. lets see if this team is ready to pull the thorn out.

  54. idle says:

    I missed the game last night (Of course I miss the good one) and am way late to the party, but a couple of thoughts based on the replay’s.

    I hope P.K was watching Emelin’s goal. You don’t need a monster wind up and you don’t need to blast the hell out of it. Just get a good quick hard shot of and get it on net.

    No one can say that the Erik Cole signing has not worked out. How much of his success this season is a result of Desharnais. (what a clever little shot his second one was).

    Kostitsyn’s assist when he was hit pretty hard behind the net but fought it off and muscled the puck out in front… we need more of those please.


  55. Dr.Rex says:

    If PG had the following trade options offered to him right now, which one(s) would you pull the trigger on?

    a) Hal Gill to Pit for 3rd rounder
    b) Kostitsyn, Weber, 3rd rd to Dallas for B Morrow
    c) Kaberle and Bournival to Edmonton for Eric Belanger
    d) Moen and St.Denis to St Louis for Perron
    e) Campoli and Ryan White to Vancouver for Higgins

    • likehoy says:

      D) giving up almost nothing for a 2nd-liner and the people’s choice.

      the rest of the deals are too one-sided except for A)

      – Next week on Habs Shore: Cammi Sweetheart is jealous of the attention G-Love is getting for his FHO philosophy (Fishing, Hockey, Overpaid)

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      First choice would be D (Perron)
      The rest are junk. Morrow would be awesome if it were five years ago, he’s 33-years-old now.

    • Furk says:

      The only one I would pull a trigger on is (a), but for a 2nd rounder. Pitts knows Hall’s value in the playoffs.

      (b) makes no sense for us. Why would we give up all that for someone who is past his prime? Plus we take on extra salary
      (c)Yes, we get rid of Kaberle, but we’re also losing a good prospect for a third line centre at best in Belanger. We’re already deep in the centre position
      (d) Unlikely it will ever happen, but I would do it
      (e) Again, doesn’t make any sense for either team. Why would we give up Ryan White for a third line winger who is injured most of the time. Campoli can go back to the Hawks for a 5th rounder.

      Size does matter! The Habs are a living example of that.

    • DickandDanny says:

      Man, what are you smoking? And I thought PG had some bad ideas. Wow! How about none of the above.

      \”A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur\”

    • Cardiac says:

      A and only because

      B) Simply because Kostitsyn is younger and has more upside than Morrow. Plus, Morrow is signed in at $4.1 million and will probably get third line duty. I’d rather spend that money on a better defenseman.

      c) Belanger is too small for fouth line duty, he’s 34 years old and I’d hate to give up a prospect like Bournival. Plus, who would replace Kaberle in the lineup? We’d need a defenseman in return.

      D) I liked St-Denis for the time he played here. Although Perron is young and has potential, where would he fit in the lineup? I’d do this one only if we didn’t plan to resign AK46.

      E) Why would we want Higgns back? So he can play on the fourth line with Gomez?

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • slamtherimtim says:

      i want what your smoking , or can you at least prescribe something

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      a) I think gill could be worth more than a 3rd (based on history of NHL trades, not Gill’s ability), but I’m all for trading him.

      b) The only reason to trade Andrei is if he cannot be resigned for reasonable dollars, or If someone is offering a player of similar potential from a recent draft (If the wings offer Tomas Jurco and a 2nd, or Phillip Danault, and a pick form Chicago, or Stan Galiev at the Capitals 1st… something like that)

      c) Absolutely!! This is the trade I would do. Couldn’t do that one fast enough ; )

      d) St. Demis has too much potential ; )

      e) Would Higgins plat centre or the wing?

      “Max Pacioretty could be our Phil Kessel”
      – Sean Bonjovi

  56. mdp2011 says:

    Need advice!!! I am going to be finally upgrading my TV service to HD now that Bell FibeTV is finally available in my area (wanted the free whole home PVR thing). I already have a 32″ LCD in the bedroom which the wife uses more than I do, but I need to buy a HDTV for the living room to watch the Habs. Question, which technology is best for watching hockey, LCD, LED or Plasma? Keep in mind, I don’t have a huge budget, 500-600$. Thanks for the help.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Make sure you get a television with a good refresh rate. I ran out and bought a television that only had a refresh rate of 60Hz and had to return it because I saw pixels when the camera panned to the left or right quickly. Especially with the Habs red jerseys.

      Make sue you get a minimum refresh rate of 120Hz.

      • mdp2011 says:

        thanks Hobie, but is there a huge difference between LED, LCD, or plasma?

        • shiram says:

          Plasma are heavier and not so good with light reflection, they are usually cheaper too.
          LCD are kind of middle of the road, but good on reflection.
          LED is top f the line

          • mdp2011 says:

            So 42″ LED is good for watching hockey?

          • bellcentre hotdog says:

            I have a buddy who recently bought the 80 inch Sharp HDTV. Although impressive on the wall, the processing speed of the tv was brutal. Watching the puck was like watching the old ‘Fox Trax’ as the puck left a streak behind.
            So I agree with Hobie … make sure you get something that can process the images quickly.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            LED and LCD is the same thing basically.

            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Furk says:

            Except LED’s are thinner and sleeker looking.

            Size does matter! The Habs are a living example of that.

        • Naslund110 says:

          the only difference between a led and lcd is the back light.
          if your getting a led tv make sure it has full array or full LED backlighting, this takes care of the light bleeding in dark scenes around the edges of the screen.
          the full array also makes the tv thicker then a usual led tv so that shoots the thin tv thing all to hell.
          i would still get a plasma. best picture still imo

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I had a Pansonic vierra 50″ plasma with HDTV and it was awesome. I paid about $3K for it 5yrs ago but I htink they go for about $550 now. I never had any complaints with it. Picture was always perfect and the set-up was pretty simple also, even for a techno-midget like myself

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I haven’t been HD TV shopping recently …but I don’t think You will find a plasma under $ 600 …with Your budget LCD is the way to go
      …plasma is, for Me, the best picture from any angle …LCD is best looking straight-on …plasma more definition and colour depth
      …but plasma uses much more power, hence Your electric bills will be higher
      …if You do go the plasma route, do NOT purchase a Panasonic Viera (which I unfortunately did) …just after warranty expired the power module gave-out …cost of repair = $ 600 ! …Your whole apparent budget to purchase new 🙁
      …Panasonic customer service in Toronto also was indifferent
      …I would buy one of the Korean brands as like their cars, their electronics are exceeding Japanese these days
      …good luck

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I believe Plasma as a technology gives slightly better results (better motion and greater contrasts esp. for blacks) but at a higher cost. I would recommend LCD/LED from a reputable maker.

      NB: LCD and LED are the same thing essentially. LED TVs are just LCD TVs that use LEDs as their light source. The picture quality is identical but LED TVs are thinner and use less energy.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • mdp2011 says:

      thanks for all the responses, I think I am more confused now than before!! I am pretty sure that any of the three technologies will be better than my current SD Videotron and my 32″ JVC CRT.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Get an LCD/LED TV with a 120Hz refresh rate and 1080p resolution from a decent manufacturer (Sony, LG, Samsung, Sharp, Panasonic …)

        I believe 50″ is the max size for LCD. Bigger than that you need plasma.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • kempie says:

      I just bought a 50″ LG plasma for $650. At the moment, LG can’t be beat for the price point. It has very few bells & whistles, for example, no picture in picture, but the picture is very nice. I haven’t had the time to call Bell for my HD receiver yet so I can’t comment in that area right now. The refresh rate, however, is I believe the same (600Hz) on all plasma TVs. FWIW, I was torn between two LG TVs, the 50″ plasma and the 47″ LCD. Both are very nice and about the same price. I find that plasma looks better in lower light where the LCD seems better in brighter environments. LCD picture seems to be brighter as well. One thing that Shiram mentioned below that I can confirm, plasmas are heavy as ****.

    • BLACK ICE says:

      Plasma is good for dark rooms where LCD is better in brighter rooms.
      Plasma is cheaper then LCD.
      LCD is as good as LED the only dif between the the two is one is back lit & the other side lit & the thickness.
      Samsung is one of the top in the industry.

      Go to C-Net reviews they are the best in reviews …

    • idle says:

      Plasmas are dropping in price and will be cheaper. They are heavier and usually have better black levels (although LCD is getting much better with their black levels) and a wider contrast range, but they are prone to glare and they do not do computer signals well. If you are going to be watching TV with a lot of ambient light or if you have windows where the sun comes through the you might have issues with a plasma.

      LCD is more ‘natural’ or ‘causal’ looking, they are lighter and do a better job of keeping the glare down. If you plan on connecting a computer to this TV, LCD is the way to go. The screen is soft though and can scratch or damage so keep kids and sharp objects out of the way. Also there is a risk of getting a stuck pixel along the way which can be annoying.

      LED is usually the thinnest and depending on how up to date the technology is, can be the nicest image. The screens surface is usually more durable then LCD, and they have less glare then Plasma but more then LCD. They are also the most expensive and since the technology is newer there is a wide variety of features / specs between different models.

      Some things to keep in mind:

      Make sure you get one that has a speed rating of 6ms or less. This will help when watching hockey and other fast images to keep a more clear image while the camera is panning.

      White balance is often hard on TV’s when watching hockey. The ice is big and whitish and it can cause difficulties for the cameras filming it and the TV’s displaying it. Look for a model with a good contrast ratio.

      There can be a big difference between the viewing angle of different models. How wide is your room and how many people will be sitting around watching it? All TV’s are best when viewed from straight on, but as you go off axis the quality can really drop off significantly.

      Different manufacturers use different contrast ratio scales so the listed contrast ratio on each unit is kind of useless. Don’t think just because 1 is 50 000 : 1 it has better contrast then one that is 15 000 : 1

      Before you buy, drop the model number into a search engine and see what you come up with.


  57. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I’m sure it’s already been mentioned, but one major reason why Montreal cannot really “tank” this season is Carey Price.

    In case it’s gone unnoticed, he’s pretty good. Every game he plays in, Montreal has a chance to win. The only way Montreal could actively try to tank would be to play Budaj for the bulk of the games through to the end of the season.

    Any chance of future success for this team rests squarely on his shoulders…and I’m guessing if his workload was significantly lightened this year, our franchise RFA could very likely pull a Turris.

    • savethepuck says:

      Another reason is they would have to give the “interim” head coach a 3 year contract, because your first head coaching gig being a complete disaster would not look too good on his resume

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        What they can do, and I’m glad to see that they are, is give younger players the opportunity to prove themselves capable of forming the core of the team in the future:

        1) Giving the bulk of the ice time on D to Gorges, Subban, Diaz, Emelin

        2) Giving Top 6 minutes to: Eller, Desharnais, and Pacioretty

        These developments bode well for the future.

        • savethepuck says:

          The players you mention aren’t getting the extra minutes because the team is rebuilding and helping them to develop, they are getting their minutes because they are earning them and outplaying most of the veterans.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Oh I absolutely agree. I guess I’m just trying to find the silver lining in this lost season 🙂

            I just hope there isn’t some crazy trade for veteran help in a doomed push for the playoffs

  58. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I don’t miss Berkshire The Cat at all …but I do miss very much Robert Rice …both His commentary, and mostly Habs’ Future
    …very disapointed Stu Cowan, Boone and Dave Stubbs have not found an alternative to Habs’ Future

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  59. likehoy says:

    a lot of “don’t trade PK” going on..
    but what if it was PK for a much better dman like shea weber?

    – Next week on Habs Shore: Cammi Sweetheart is jealous of the attention G-Love is getting for his FHO philosophy (Fishing, Hockey, Overpaid)

    • Stev.R says:

      Because we would need to give up more to get Weber.
      Weber would cost a lot more next season.
      Subban is still young and is going to be one hell of a player within 3 years.

      Why throw away home grown young talent when we are in the middle of a rebuild?

    • Donnie Murdo says:

      Brilliant GM’ing…
      …In bizzaro world.

      I’m sure David Poile is ALL over that.

      What if we get Malkin for Gomez?

      • Strummer says:

        No room in the nursery for Ovie.
        PK monopolizing the chid-care workers’ time

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
        -Dennis Miller

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I would make that trade for Weber there are not many others that would fit the bill IMO.

    • kazmojo says:

      I like your thinking. The Preds need top 6 forwards, have depth on D, and need to stay closer to the cap floor than the ceiling. Weber (RFA) is already at $7.5/M and won’t come any cheaper, and Suter (UFA) will get a healthy raise too. They’d like some cheaper alternatives, given the play of Blum and Klein. Subban would fit the bill, and throwing in Gomez to help keep their cap hit up and salary bill down would work well. The Habs would probably have to offer AK46 too. Not sure what combination would work, but a bigger deal than just Subban-for-Weber would probably be involved.

      • Donnie Murdo says:

        Weber is going nowhere. He and Rinne are the primary reasons for ANY of the success in Nashville. And they can afford the cap and salary hit of both.

        Please stop thinking about hockey now.

        Think about noodles or something.

        PK for Weber… *rolls eyes*

  60. HabinBurlington says:

    5 days no real hockey, no nfl gonna be rough weekend.

    Guess it’s time to watch the Abu Dhabi Open with Tiger playing in it.

  61. VancouverHab says:



    [WARNING: Relentless, unbroken use of fact, logic, and common sense ahead.]

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I know Scotty Gomez is the wealthiest Hab …are You on a PR retainer VH ? 🙂
      …PS: I should have acknowledged earlier, but I read Your kind invitation to get in contact when I noted My adventure in Our health system …much appreciation for Your concern, and anytime You would like to chat by e-mail would be fine VH
      …that way I can stop calling You VH (out of necessity) and give You the human face You no doubt have 🙂

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • HabFab says:

      There we go with the Fenwick and Corsi again.
      Not a Gomez basher, he got a fat contract from a foolish GM trying to mess with his more successful NHL neighbor. But too many here are hung up on the $’s verse productivity. Gomez can’t help it any more then they can.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    Does anyone know what happened to JD and Andrew Berkshire?

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • shiram says:

      Berkshire is on twitter, I think all the hate he got made him not want to come back here.
      Dunno about JD.

    • Bill says:

      They’re following in the footsteps of other, former posters who left in protest of the low-quality level of discussion here.

      Haha, in other words, in the footsteps of other former posters who took this place perhaps too seriously and couldn’t laugh at the stupidity while enjoying the occasional good debate.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • likehoy says:

        HIO is a joke. If anyone took it seriously.. they should get their heads checked.

        – Next week on Habs Shore: Cammi Sweetheart is jealous of the attention G-Love is getting for his FHO philosophy (Fishing, Hockey, Overpaid)

        • Rob says:

          there was a time when HIO was actually a place of great debate, interesting exchanges, and common courtesy. It’s only in about the last 3 years that it’s become a run of the mill comment section with the typical accompanying infantile flame wars. Sad but true.

          The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

          • likehoy says:

            it was good pre-scott gomez era!
            when we could go FULL BREEZER, and talk about the team with optimism.

            then we blew up everything and now it’s just redundant. Fire JM! Fire PG! Trade Gomez! bring back MAB!

            – Next week on Habs Shore: Cammi Sweetheart is jealous of the attention G-Love is getting for his FHO philosophy (Fishing, Hockey, Overpaid)

          • Rob says:

            like with most things, popularity brings about a decrease in quality. I long for the days before we even had to register accounts on the site; the only benefit of it being you know who the guys who were around since the beginning are

            The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

          • likehoy says:

            myself, I hate the posting format.. it was better before when the threads could continue forever.. now it’s just annoying to engage a debate with anyone

            – Next week on Habs Shore: Cammi Sweetheart is jealous of the attention G-Love is getting for his FHO philosophy (Fishing, Hockey, Overpaid)

    • HabFab says:

      Both are posting on Eyes on the Prize, Andrew all the time and J_D during games.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Mr. Berkshire, along with Mr. Rice (SeriousFan09) left here permamently in disgust over Pat Hickey’s reprehensible attack on Theo Fleury.

      My own response to that plump and pampered sport journalist depreciating, from the safe remove of his computer keyboard, the behavior of an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse, was to be confirmed yet again the common opinion of fatuous and morally bankrupt grubbing journalists.

      Certain of the lowest cretinous verbiage native to the breed, I experienced no shock (Msrs Berkshire & Rice are still young enough to be affronted by absence of journalistic principle. Very soon they will see it as merely an identifying characteristic.)

      I was, however, disappointed in Mr. Boone immediately joining in the circling of wagons (the rest of the clan did as expected and killed the story with a blackout.)

  63. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …it maybe is a stretch, …but during the Red Wings/Canadiens game I was having flash-backs …flash-backs to how I used to feel and be excited watching Our great Teams during Our Golden Period
    …deep talent, …an ‘expectation’ that it is only inevitable We will score …so many elite potential weapons
    …Whoa ! …I’ve got to slap Myself upside the grapefruit on My shoulders …THIS ! can not be My current Montreal Canadiens racing the Blue Jackets for first-overall ? …can it ?
    …it’s one thing to do a beat-down on the Rangers or Leafs, because they are so beat-downable …but to so own a truly wonderful ‘team’ like the Red Wings in those sweaters of the winged-wheel brought back My Habs, if only briefly, to another era
    …that victory over the Wings was comparable to memorable sex (well, almost) …as a Fan, One can sit back, feeling an infinitely relaxed well-being in every pore of Your being …at least, that is, until reality wakes One up to realize Their creditcard is almost maxed-out …then real cold ‘reality’ sets back in (by the way, slip some truth-serum into Your favorite ladies favorite punch, and You will know ‘size does make a difference’ …both in bed, and on the ice 🙂 )
    …yet, We have more talent, both established and burgeoning, on Our Team than is reflected by Our position in this season’s standings …We are a true-superstar away from being an elite Team
    …to get that true young superstar in this day and age requires a specific result …playing like We did against the Red Wings means that superstar and Our longterm potential as an elite Team remains frustratingly at Our finger-tips, but in reality a thousand miles away
    …well, if My Habs consistently play like They did agin the Wings, how can I want Them to play otherwise ? …wretched dichotomy

    PS: I gotta agree with SmartDog and the few others suggesting Eric Cole would make an excellent Captain …very close between Josh and Eric …Josh merits at least the ‘senior A’ if not the Captaincy …but, Eric, although older, is still in His prime and is signed for 4 seasons, meaning He is here for the relative longterm in this age of free-agency …I think the difference between Josh and Eric, based on My military experience, is that Josh Gorges gives-off the aura of the ideal NCO squad leader, Eric’s aura is of officer- (Lieutenant/Captain) material

    …My previous choice was Josh as Captain (a Guy I would be extremely confident going to war with in the trenches), but Eric has the greater intellect and royal-jelly as Captain-material from My observations this season

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  64. HabFab says:

    Bulldogs celebrate Louis Leblanc’s birthday in traditional hockey fashion;

  65. SmartDog says:

    Wow – Unanimous on 1 and 2 (PASS) from below… Q 3 up for grabs by some (I think Eller will prove this not a bad trade)… 4 and 5 in doubt by many. I have to agree with the overall trend. I guess this was too easy.

    BUT… surprised that most people agree that the Kaberle trade was bad. He looked great for what? 1-2 games?
    1. The Cole signing – Pass or Fail?
    2. The Cami trade – Pass or Fail?
    3. The Halak trade – Pass or Fail?
    4. Gomez since he came back – Pass or Fail?
    5. The Kaberle trade – Pass or Fail?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  66. MTLCANADIENS says:

    so were at the all star break, and markov still hasnt played a single game, he practiced wit us a couple months ago, then disappeared bcz of his injury.. does his money count towards the cap still?

    • likehoy says:

      what does it matter if his money counts towards the cap…. it’s not like we’re going to sign a big money contract in the middle of the season lol.

      – Next week on Habs Shore: Cammi Sweetheart is jealous of the attention G-Love is getting for his FHO philosophy (Fishing, Hockey, Overpaid)

  67. Mattyleg says:

    I have bad news for fans who are disappointed with last night’s win because it doesn’t suit their misplaced and foolish last-place-finish plans:
    Winning is good. Losing is bad. It’s a basic fundament of sport. Look it up.
    Even worse, when you lose the Stanley Cup Finals, you get a bad draft pick.
    So for you lot, that would be the worst possible scenario. No Cup (which is the only goal, come hell or high water, and nonsense to the idea of hockey as a means of diversion during the long winter months), and no draft pick.

    I’ll hold your popcorn while you search for a hanky.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  68. HabinBurlington says:

    So what is the biggest difference in today’s Habs from 2-3 weeks ago?

    Is it too simple to say improved size without sacrificing speed?

    I love Gionta, but if he came back tomorrow, where do you put him? We have lots of talented players, but many are of the “undersized” variety. No one line can exist of all people from Oz, the old experiment of Cammy/Plex/Gionta never had a chance.

    Bringing in Bourque and COle we didn’t lose speed and gained a physical forecheck with net presence.

    In order for Gionta to come back in this lineup, we need one more smaller forward to be replaced by him, he cannot be in addition too. I know you are all saying DD, but perhaps it will be Gomez. (wink wink, nudge nudge)

    • shiram says:

      Putting Gio in the place of Gomez on Pleks wing makes a ton of sense.
      2 years ago the line of Cammy/Pleks/AK was doing great, so this would be the updated version : Bourque/Pleks/Gio.
      Keeps all the other lines that are already working well together.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yeah, I would put Gomer on a 3rd line, and use him on the PP to gain the zone and set up plays.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • shiram says:

          But that’s Eller’s line, and he is doing great with AK and Moen.
          Why mess with that?

          ::gets on hatewagon:: Gomez can help out the kids in Hamilton, or you know, enjoy his check form the buyout.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            exactly, either Gomez stays where he is, maybe the 4th line or must be swapped out entirely for Gionta. Cannot touch 3rd line or 2 & 1/2 men line.

        • GenerationYHabs says:

          So you would move Eller down to the fourth line?

          • Mattyleg says:

            No! Nonono.

            I think Gomer should be playing left wing anyway.
            I have no answers. Disregard.
            I am a poor line-organizer and shouldn’t have stepped into this conversation.
            Carry on, nothing to see here.
            Nothing to see here.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Bripro says:

            …running away with his tail between his legs.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      I don’t really mind gomez playing on the 4th line if/when Gionta comes back if it means bumping someone like Darche out of the lineup. Let’s face it Noki isn’t exactly lighting it up either, nor is he overly physical.

    • G-Man says:

      The line up now is as balanced as possible, with size on every line. Gionta fits in the moment RC stops playing 7 D.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yah but Moen wasn’t there last night, so someone would have to come out. Darche it is then.

        • G-Man says:

          That’s a positive, too, when Darche can be left on the bench. All heart and effort, but the talent not up to snuff.
          Darche should play around 50 games per season and fill in on the 4th and 3rd line when necessary, but that’s it.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Biggest difference is that last night our opponent had an off night.

      That’s how we win games.

      It’s how Columbus and the Islanders win games.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • habsperspective says:

      Are you asking this cause the Habs won last night? Lets not forget this is the same team that didnt show up against the caps, just week ago.

      Last nights game was all on Detroit mailing it in. Reality is the defense is still weak, and Gionta or Gomez are moot until that time comes.

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