Round II with the Bs

Montreal Canadiens P.K. Subban and Boston Bruins Brad Marchand square off to fight in the second period of their NHL hockey game in Boston

The Canadiens and Bruins, who played a thriller Thursday night in Boston, resume hostilities at the Bell Centre.
The building should be rocking.

Dave Stubbs on P.K. and Marchand

Martin praises Spacek

Red Fisher on Flyers’ goaltending woes

Boone on Boston boosters

Stu Cowan on Hockey News rankings

Perry Pearn talks

Canadiens get the message

Arpon Basu’s last Daily Hab-it

195 Comments

  1. POPS says:

    WE NEED ONE OR BOTH OF THESE GUYS: PATRICK MAROON or J.F. JACQUES! We can’t have P.K. fighting and out of the game for long stretches. Both guys can play and keep goons like Thornton in line! We need a deterent NOW!

  2. oshawahabsfan says:

    I’m hoping someone took PK aside and told him not to engage in such a pointless exercise as fighting Marchand again. Stick to what you do best, taking the puck away from him. Leave the garbage for Marchand, he’s at his own level

  3. OneTimer says:

    Boone, your latest piece on boorish Boston fans is my favorite yet. Perfect description, and yet, if they read it they wouldn’t understand how mightily you diss them. Too many “north of the 49th” words. Well played, sir.

    Also nice to see a nod to HFS72 in print media, who is one of our better posters here, even though I detected a serious bout of the “tankies” a few weeks ago. O well, even the good Homer nods.

    It’s a slightly hungover Saturday morning (2:00 PM) for me, but don’t you worry boys, I’ll be good to go for tonight. Let’s do this, sweep these Bahston pigs back to the cesspool where they belong!! GO HABS GO!

  4. immortalhab says:

    Injuries are a good possibility tonight. Boston is really gonna get dirty, especially if they start losing. It was why they have 6 cups in 85 years but of course, hockey has gone the way of the sword. It definitely helped them win last year. Is it just me or are the refs Bruin fans?? It can’t be just me because one of my colleagues is a die-hard Bruin worshipper and even he thought they were dirty bums on Thursday night.

    Everything prepares the path to its opposite. To prepare for wholeness, first be fragmented. To prepare for success, first fail. ~Tao Te Ching

  5. Hicktownboy says:

    Fearless prediction” Travis Moen will not have 3 points by the end of the month”

    Don’t remember who said it, but Moen is leading the team in goals and heart.

    Learn to appreciate it boys, Moen is the SHIT!!

  6. HardHabits says:

    Lots of love today for Jaroslav sPaycheck I see. He certainly earned it since his return.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      That he has. If only he could share some of his youthful vigour with Gill. I saw him panting after he picked up a puck for a linesman. Unfortunately it was while play was still on.

      • Tony McLean says:

        Gill’s looked fine, stop the Brisebois Whipping Boy stuff. We’re on a two game winning streak and if Price can avoid more Great Pumpkins between his legs we’ll be fine.

        ——————————–
        When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  7. The Dude says:

    5)Watch out for goons tonight……As I mentioned before,Lucic is going to put on his best Lurch antics for tonights game.

  8. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    Nice to see Spacek getting kudos from JM.

    If the Habs are going to right the course, it starts with player assignments matching skills. On Markov’s return, Gill’s role should be limited to killing penalties and providing experience to one of Weber, Diaz, or Emelin on 3rd pair minutes.

    On Campoli’s return, the 3rd pair should likely be Gill-Campoli, with Emelin sitting (NHL wages vs KHL), Weber on 4th line (2nd PP), and Diaz (2 way contract) in Hamilton.

    Pairing Gill with a #3-4 Dman (Gorges) implies Gill is a top four Dman. Although the Habs have used Gill in a top 4 role, as mentor to PK and prior with Gorges, he does not have top four skills. If the NHL could ice / field similar to the NFL, Hal Gill would be a special teams (PK and last 30 seconds of the game clinging to a typical Habs 1 goal lead scrumfest) player only.

    Spacek was signed for and is paid as a top four Dman, is currently performing as such, and as an effective replacement for Hamrlik. Coming into camp in top shape should improve his durability. This is Spacek’s last season as a Hab, and I am hoping we see a full years’ value on the contract.

    From a D depth perspective, when healthy..
    Markov
    PK
    Gorges
    Spacek
    Campoli
    Gill
    Weber
    Emelin
    Diaz

    Thoughts?

    • PureGuava says:

      Markov Emelin
      Suban Gill
      Spacek Weber

      Diaz

      Trade Gorges and Campoli (love em both) for pics.

      “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
      – Robert Anton Wilson

    • 24 Cups says:

      Truth be told, we really have no idea how Campoli might fit in. His game has been in decline for quite awhile now. We only signed him out of desperation. I doubt Martin would rank him above Gill and I have no interest in seeing Weber on a 4th line. Overall, we lose more than we gain when Weber plays forward. Besides, Weber needs to be given a chance (for 82 games) to prove that he can be a regular NHL defensman. We did sign him to a two year deal so let’s find out if he can cut it.

      There’s no way that I can see Spacek can be as valuable as Hamrlik. In fact, Spacek’s third year (of his contract) is one of the reasons that Hamrlik isn’t here right now.

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        When we have Markov, Subban and Weber or Diaz in the lineup there´s actually no place for Campoli in my point of view. I also really hope Emelin gets a chance with Markov once Andrei is back. He can really use a physical partner and they would obviously have no communication problems.

        The second pair on D for me would be Subban and Gorges and Diaz/Weber + Spacek/Gill rotating on the third. I´d also be tempted to trade Campoli with Diaz or Weber and a pick or a player like Palushaj for a big physical defensemen when everyone is availabe.

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      You lost me at “on Markov’s return”. And also “(Spacek) as an effective replacement for Hamrlik”. Sure Markov will eventually return, BUT how many games will he play before being injured again? In 3+ seasons, he’s played a whopping 53 games.

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      You want my thoughts? where’s the love for Weber? he’s playing very well. +6 on a team with 3 wins.

  9. JayBee says:

    So now that the Habs have 2 straight wins everyone knows what was wrong. LOL @ all the pseudo-analysts.

  10. VancouverHab says:

    AT LAST, Conventional H-I/O wisdom has finally caught up with VancouverHab about the excellent value of Jaro Spacek to the team.

    COMING SOON: conventional H-I/O wisdom catches up to VancouverHab about the excellent value of Scott Gomez to the team.

    Just wait for it….

  11. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS

    1. Why didn’t PK clean Marchand’s clock? I thought he would…
    2. Is our D better because of the coaching change?
    3. Will Martin last the season?
    4. Will things be better or worse when Gomez comes back?
    5. Will the B’s try to goon it up tonight – even more than usual?
    SD

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • HardHabits says:

      1. PK doesn’t know how to fight. Marchand is a scrappy little dude, not to be underestimated.
      2. It’s certainly not worse. The D is the same. What changed for the last two games was possibly and from my perspective Ladouceur’s enthusiasm transferring to the D corps. That attentiveness because of upbeat energy made for more alert play. Contrast that to ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz.
      3. He get’s a 1 million bonus if the Habs fire him before the season ends. They won’t fire him. They’ll demote him.
      4. The requisite SD Gomez question. I’ll bite. I hate to say this but, aw geez I am holding back the discomfort, maybe if the Habs are for real these last two games and continue with this up beat fore-checking game, Gomez will adapt and start producing at a point per game pace. Who the f*ck am I kidding. Gomez will ruin the chemistry by being so completely out of sink it’d be like trowing a monkey wrench into your computer, 20 times during a game.
      5. The B’s tendency to goon it up has long since passed the even more than usual mark.

      • PureGuava says:

        1. Prime Kime ain’t Mohammed Ali or even Leon Spinx.
        2. Spacek
        3. Yes
        4. Not if they throw him on the wing.
        5.Who cares? three in a row baby!

        “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
        – Robert Anton Wilson

    • Danno says:

      1 – I wonder if he intentionally missed & didn’t want to hurt him
      2 – There seems to be more communication with the players now
      3 – Almost certainly
      4 – Gomez plays tomorrow (Selena)
      5 – I wouldn’t bet against it

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • mrhabby says:

      pk cannot fight.
      d appears to be better due to change.
      martin will last.
      things will be worse..but can always hope.
      bruins will goon it.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      FIVE ANSWERS

      1.) Why didn’t PK clean Marchand’s clock? I thought he would…
      Good question. I expected PK to administer a beating and both fighters ended up playing whiffle-punch. That sorry display could lead to players taking even more liberties with Subban, if that’s possible.
      2.) Is our D better because of the coaching change? Temporarily, but hopefully for the remainder of the season. An injection of emotion can do wonders.
      3.) Will Martin last the season? He will if the improvement in the defence persists and special teams play gets better with the change in coaching regime.
      4.) Will things be better or worse when Gomez comes back? Better if he is given a reduced role and accepts his change in status, which might motivate him to earn more playing time legitimately.
      5.) Will the B’s try to goon it up tonight – even more than usual? Of course, it’s in their blood. And Halloween is approaching, which will stir their blood all the more. I just hope the refs man up and quit seeing the game through Bruin-coloured glasses.

  12. Chris79 says:

    i dun tell U.. it’s gonna be a great Season… I Believe..!!

    How would you have reacted to the Chara assault? “If I was on the bench it would have been hard for me to jump off,” he said “But if I was on the ice something would have happened. That is for sure! When I played, I was not afraid of anyone, no matter how big they were.” ~ Chris *Knuckles* Nilan.

  13. Timo says:

    So will we have an answer to Bruins bullying Subban tonight? My guess is not. I guess Habs think that they can play with defense consisting of Gill, Spach, Diaz, Weber, Emelin and Gorges. Who needs good defensemen anyway?

  14. AndyF says:

    Did Boone really give a Latin lesson just now, or was that just my imagination?

    http://andyfroncioni.com

    • 24 Cups says:

      I agree, Andy. The headmaster certainly pulled out all the stops with today’s Gazette article.

      Maybe he’s trying to keep up with JohnBellyful’s creative works:-)

  15. HabFab says:

    Line up and combo’s remain the same as per the reporters at Brossard.

  16. Ian Cobb says:

    Good Morning Folks!
    Our 5th annual 2011 Hab’s Fan Summit is fast approaching, Nov. 18, 19, 20.

    Friday night at Hurley’s pub on big screen Hamilton Bull Dogs playing at the Bell Center.

    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out as we watch the Bull Dogs on the big screen playing at the Bell Center..

    Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame Tour at 10:30am and the Bell Center Tour is at 11:30am. You need to purchase a $5:50 ticket for the Bell Center tour.

    After the tours there will be a professional presentation put on by former concussed hockey players. Kerry Goulet, Keith Primeau and other players who are Involved in educating the effects of concussion, depression and neurology rehabilitation.
    (location is the Novotel hotel, just up the street)

    At 3pm the Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge rest. bring one item each if possible, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. Our pre game dinner. Then we walk across the street to the game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celibrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO family at this years Summit.
    See ya there.
    Ian Cobb

    HIO Fan Summit Organizer (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

  17. montreal ace says:

    Game 4 last year playoffs, Habs leading 3 / 1, the Wiz gets tripped up at the Boston blue line, on the ensuing rush led by Bergereon Boston goal by Ference. The non call and the goal let Boston back in the series by changing that game, a direct result of NHL refs and an NHL desire to see American teams in the playoffs. We win that game, we win the series, I hated that gift goal the moment it was scored as I felt bad, still do, damn I hate Boston. Its going to be a great game tonight hope it a win. I would have loved to hear the ribbing PK took after his fight, that was funny stuff.

    • ffenliv says:

      My favourite part of the fight was the little ‘good fight’ tap they gave each other at the end.

      As much as they clearly each wanted to toss the other into next week, they were decent enough to each other when it was all over.

  18. HabFab says:

    Palushaj sent back down to Hamilton.

  19. Neutral says:

    People on here saying we don’t have a winning team. you’re 100% wrong. the problem with this team except for the pass couple of games was the shuffling of line combinations they just proved it. leave the lines as they are right now and we’ll win our share of games. should we start losing again the only changes I would think about making would be on the left wing. cammy on the 1st line, max-pac on the 2nd, darche on the 3rd, moen on the 4th and that’s not because he’s not playing well. he sure is. but I think moen, Gomez, and nokelainen would make a real good 4th line. we may not be tough enough, but we have skill and speed to make up for it. bottom line they’re not losers. they do the best they can and they’re not always gonna be winners smartin up and support your team and not just when they’re winning…..

  20. HardHabits says:

    My question is this. Do the Habs continue with the aggressive fore-check or do they return to dump and change?

    • HabFab says:

      Let me think!
      Does JM want to keep his job?
      Guess that is the true question :)

    • likehoy says:

      the aggressive forecheck has been impressive.. they’ve been really on top of the other team creating a lot of turnovers.
      they made the bruins and flyers look confuse on where to play the puck in the 3rd periods of the last games.

      – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  21. PrimeTime says:

    Fighting in hockey when it’s genuine serves a purpose. PK and Marchand would have resorted to cheapshots and possible injury if the refs didn’t finally let them go. When 2 players are that frustrated with one another then fighting is the better option. When cheapshots are done then a fight is preferrable to another cheapshot in return. Where fans don’t like fighting in the modern era is when it is not genuine and staged or a “tougher” player is beating up on a lesser player just to try and imtimidate. Fighting should never be a “game strategy”. Hockey is a fast and physical sport where skill, speed, and physicality is most admired and respected. Fighting should not be banned but also not encouraged and supported by the league. BOS-IQ fans can find another outlet to believe that tough is better than smart!

  22. baruch says:

    Boone, Kevin, & Co.

    Habs coverage is the only thing worth reading in the gazette. The gazette has been the lamest newspaper in the land since the Star bit it way back when the Habs legend was our everyday reality… wait a second, you think there might be some connection? anyway, Now that the Gazoo has erected a pay-wall limiting access to yours and Reds and even Stu’s content posted there, by the end of the month I am missing about 75% of my normal HIO fix. Is there any way to port that content directly on HIO? Sorry to be so politically capitalistically very incorrect here, but Gazoo sucks donkey gazongers, I do not want to support their paltrily-reprocessed-AP-&-Reuters-feed brand of info-mulch. HIO still rocks (despite the name change)…jonesing here…

  23. habs001 says:

    Habs winning ingredients the last 2 years has been great goaltending,timely goals in close games,pk,pp, and breaks…those ingredients will have to exist this year again as we will be limited in goal scoring.. The team has lost games this year where they did not play any worse than the last 2 games but did not get the breaks while the other teams did…The flyers easily could have led by 2-3 goals after the first and that might have changed the whole game..The bruin game was tied at 1-1 and if the bruins get a lucky goal we probably get beaten…The style of play martin likes keeps games close and works as long as you get some breaks..it worked 2 years ago in the playoffs but just as easily you can get beaten by any team in the first round…we still have too many players that need to be upgraded to be a real cup contender…

    • mike3131 says:

      Not to mention that this year we had leads in 8 of the 10 games we played. I like our group of forwards – even Gomez, but as most of us can agree, we need a stay-at-home, reliable, hard-ditting defenseman. Gill should be a #5-#6 on a cup winning team but he’s playing top 4. Gorges should be bottom 3 but he’s playing top 3. And we can’t have BOTH Weber and Diaz back there with Spacek on top of that. I’m disappointed that Emelin isn’t above them on the depth chart. Hopefully Markov will spend some time with him when he comes back.

      • habs001 says:

        True…also a big must is the pp to function at a reasonable rate…the pk i believe will be back to last years level….they still have many pp issues that they have to resolve

    • patience is a virtue says:

      Couldn’t disagree more about goal scoring. Even slumping the Habs are still middle of the pack on GF. Much has changed since last season – Patches, DD, Eller, Weber, and Subban are no longer rookies; Cole is in da house which gives us enough quality forwards for 3 scoring lines; and Gomer is bound to bounce back to some degree.

      I expect many 4+ goals games this season – we have already had as many as we did by last Christmas. No. Goal scoring is about to become a strength rather than a weakness.

      • habs001 says:

        we need the pp to function and i am not sure we have a centre besides plecks that will score 10 goals this year..dd and eller have not shown any goal scoring abilities in the nhl

  24. 24 Cups says:

    Paul Holmgren is a sharp GM. He has made many astute moves since taking over the helm of the Flyers. With that in mind, you really have to wonder why he gave Ilya Bryzgalov such a rich, long term contract. All I can think of is the rumour that owner Ed Sinder forced him to sign Bryzgalov must be true.

    I can certainly understand why Philly would want to upgrade in net. But Holmgren totally misplayed the market. Tomas Vokoun is every bit as good as Bryzgalov, maybe even better. He surely would have taken a three year deal at 3M a season on July 1st. Failing that, Holmgren could have stood pat on July 1st and then waited out the two goalies for a few weeks. He could then have had his choice between the two veterans. Even if he still chose Bryzgalov, it would have been on his own terms with a deal that was much shorter and cheaper.

    It’s still way too early to judge the situation. However, if Bryzgalov eventually equals Gomez/Redden/DiPietro, then Holmgren will have to pay the ultimate price by losing his job. All because an owner decided to play GM for a day.

  25. Chris F says:

    Love the fact Ladouceur is vocal behind the bench, especially with so many young D who need feedback, ……positive feedback, descriptive feedback, enough of this coaching regime simply not speaking to their players, or players saying they have no relationship with the coach. Move on with the times.
    Could not hate Marchand more. Rat Boy, Rat Boy, Rat Boy, Rat Boy, cheer it loud at the Bell Tonight.
    Thornton needs someone to fill his face in, and fast.
    We are two players away, and have been two players away from being serious contenders for quite some time.
    A David Clarkson type of guy to play with Ryan White and Travis Moen on the fourth line. A cup contender needs a fourth line who can rattle the glass, shake the boards with hits, pop a couple of goals, protect the small guys, and play positive minutes. This is the type of line that will bring people out of their seats, and finish off a team with a powerful shift in the opponents end. We haven’t had this for several years.
    And the second player we are missing is the Big D man who can stand up Lucic at the blueline and set him on his ass, therefore creating turnovers and forcing opposition forwards to enter the zone with extreme caution as to not get crushed/destroyed/etc.
    Can PG produce these two players? The only other two ingredients are health, and the return of Markov to shore up the PP and PK.
    Go Habs Go, Win tonight and were back baby!!

  26. hansolo says:

    There is a thread that refers to fighting below; perhaps those of you that know more about fighting than I can enlighten me.

    This is what I don’t understand about fighting in the NHL.

    It’s not really even fighting. You throw a few bare-knuckle punches (barbaric enough that boxing banned bare-knuckle fighting decades ago) while you grab your opponent’s sweater, which you try pull up to cover his head; once you’ve done that, having blinded him and impeded his moving his arms, you can pound the crap out of him while he’s relatively defenseless. Thankfully, this happens infrequently, so that most of the time it’s a lot of huffing and puffing and ineffectual sweater grabbing with only a few blows being landed. But those few can cause concussions or head trauma (think of the Beagle – Asham tilt).

    This is supposed to be a deterrent? To what? Fighting to avenge a perceived offense is like a duel. The perpetrator of, say, an illegal hit has his offence washed away by having subsequently fought, the victim of that hit might get the double indignity of losing the fight as well as having been the recipient of that hit. Think of Josh Gorges fighting Ryan Malone when the latter hit Chris Campoli (who was dazed on the ice and unable to fight on his own behalf). But somewhere, “honor was satisfied.”

    Afterwards, as PK and Marchand did, the combatants are supposed to laugh it off because that’s what the NHL ethos demands.

    It makes no sense to me.

  27. JohnBellyful says:

    The Firing of Assistant Coach Pearn

    What is there to learn from the firing of Pearn?
    Is there a lesson that should give us pause?
    Did he not do his job, did his wages he rob?
    Or was he canned without reasonable cause?

    Of conclusions I’ve none, there may not be one
    That can explain what was done by Pierre
    It may well have been right, the bullet to bite
    But it sure doesn’t seem very fierre

  28. Hobie Hansen says:

    I was one of the people that was ripping Spacek for being soft and coughing pucks towards the tail end of last season, and before this season.

    So I;ve watched him during the preseason and into the regular season, interrupted by his injury, and I have to admit he’s had some solid shifts, periods and complete games.

    He’s been breaking up plays, steering shots to the corner and even stepping into people.

    Some people believe he was shaky and panicky because of being exhausted from all the injuries last year. He seriously got manhandled on quite a few nights along the boards and in his end against the Bruins last season.

    But yeah, he has been playing very solid defense “so far” this year.

    • 24 Cups says:

      HH – I am guilty, too.

      Now if we can only get Hal Gill’s game going….

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I hope Gill is eventually put back with Gorges when Markov returns.

        It would be a very good thing if those two could get that awesome defensive mojo going again between them.

      • Marc10 says:

        You have to remember that Gill only really gets going after Christmas…

        But yes, Skillsie has been a turnover machine thus far. Markov’s return will bring every one’s minutes down and that can only be a good thing for the likes of Gorges, Gill and Diaz.

        I too will send Spacek some love. He’s been solid so far and I’d rather have him in the 6 than not at this point. He’s clearly in much better shape this go round. Good on him!

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Me too. Maybe the trick is limiting his minutes?

        @jimlaplante

    • munch17 says:

      He is also much better and less exposed playing on the left side- his natural position.

  29. Marc10 says:

    Was watching a good chunk of the Boston game last night. Kreiji is invisible and Chara is a non factor. If that keeps going for much longer, the Goons are in big trouble… something we can all revel in.

    Got to say I’m with those that miss ol’ Mike McPhee. That guy was as solid and dependable as they come. My best memory of him, other than his Tango & Cash routine with Skrudland on many a night, is his laying the smack down on some poor Red Wing who had decided to take him on. The poor fool had to be rescued by one of his teammates as he was turtling under a barrage of McPhee bombs. It was a glorious sight and the Wings were duly punished for their Third Man.

    Yes we badly need another Mike McPhee and we could sure use a Lyle Odelein too.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      And Ted Harris.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I was always a huge Lyle Odelein fan. I also loved Chicago’s Dave Manson. Manson caught my eye after scoring 18 goals, 52 points and 352 PIM one year from the blueline for the Hawks.

      He finally got traded to Montreal, unfortunately later in his career, an he fought Odelein during a playoff game after Odelein was traded to the Devils.

      I was in the building and going bananas!!!!

      New Jersey beat us that series 4-1 I believe?

      • G-Man says:

        My favourite Odelein memory was when a fish was thrown onto the ice and he retrieved it wearing his gauntlets- you just knew he was going to face-wash someone and he did. Just beautiful.

        _____________________________________________________

        When in doubt, blame PP.

  30. 24 Cups says:

    Be patient at the beginning. This is very cool.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Great stuff! Some of it reminds me of play in the Canadiens’ end.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Exactly!

        I posted this with the notion that we could line up 15 Habs from shortest to tallest (which in itself may be a bit of a challenge). We would then have Mr. Gauthier whack them all in the ass with a stiff board just as the opening faceoff takes place (we’ve already had lots of practice at having too many men on the ice). The ensuing mayhem would guarantee us a victory in every game we play.

        The Cup would be ours and I would become a Hab icon. My number, 24, would hang from the rafters along with all the other great Hab legends (except Patrick Roy).

        Mr. Gauthier stated at the end of his interview (on Wednesday) that he wanted to start thinking outside of the box. Here’s his chance!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Cool, yet I continue to spend my evenings crushing emptybeercans and get the same experience, perhaps I need to pickup things a notch.

    • hansolo says:

      Thanks, that is cool. I wish I knew enough higher mathematics to be able to understand all the equations that describe those movements.

      • Chris says:

        You’d be surprised at how simple some of the equations are. Once you get into the full picture, it gets a little more complicated, but the underlying principles are remarkably easy to understand.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Cool! Never seen that use of the Newton cradle before.

      Mythbusters had a neat show where they trie dto prove the urban myth of a Newton cradle done with huge wrecking balls hung from cranes. It was fun to follow and the myth was ‘busted’.

      Thanks for the link.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Ahhhhh that is awesome! I don’t even understand what explains that? Fractals? Patternicity?……… Aliens?

    • Chris says:

      Fun with physics! ;)

  31. habstrinifan says:

    Replies limit reached so had to post here.

    Lovely reading the thread re McPhee. Was good seeing the appreciation for one of those really ‘QUIET’ HABS stars.

    And so true the need for a player like him. Oh by the way did you see during the BRUINS game a BRUIN player try and ‘open ice’ shoulder-to-shoulder check AK46 and basically just bounce off him and land on he keester. AK didnt even have to flinch.. he just looked at the guy as if to say pipsqueak.

    AK has the ‘natural strength’ of a McPhee, but….

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Many unsung heroes on that team, Brian Skrudland and Mike McPhee could always be counted on for stability no matter how the game was going.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        You could only imagine what Jacques Martin could do with Carey Price in goal and a group all-time great third liners like McPhee, Skrudland, Gilchrist, Keane, Carbonneau….

    • Habfan10912 says:

      AK is just not that type of player not because of physical limitations but because of something else. Don’t know why. He is a good 3rd line player who should see PP time. I use to get so frustrated with him because my expectation was for him to be a top 6 forwards. Now that I don’t think of him in that role I think he is playing OK on most nights.

      @jimlaplante

  32. JohnBellyful says:

    I’m concerned about the copious use of the copyright symbol © on this website, which is proliferating at a horrifying rate. I have the suspicion that the gratuitous insertion of © into our comments is illegal and subject to penalty. Calls to the Canadian Intellectual Property Office have revealed none of the material supposedly copyrighted by HIO posters is to be found in its database.
    My fear is that if this trend continues, it could attract the attention of the CIPO and other authorities and result in HIO being shut down. How would you feel then?
    My suggestion is that we approach the designers of word processing software and ask them to create a miniature symbol of the Canadiens’ logo for typographical purposes, which we could use to stake exclusive claim to brilliant observations regarding our favourite team and those we despise.
    Until that is done, I suggest we make do with this: ¢

    What a load of crap.¢

  33. gohabsgo_25 says:

    Just wondering if anyone knows if they are going to skate in Brossard this morning or at the Bell?? I know if its at the Bell its closed to public but I was just wondering, thanks – GO HABS!

  34. Chrisadiens says:

    Is it wrong to boo “Poo Poo”? He went over to the dark side after all. Whats the over/under on Poo Poo falling? Im gonna guess 3 times. Once on a breakaway, in all alone and he trips on the faceoff circle.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • hansolo says:

      Nope, not at all.

      In the early 1970s, one of Montreal Expos players (might have been Boots Day) was asked how he felt about being booed. He said something really enlightening:

      “They can come and cheer me, or they come and boo me. The important thing is that they come.”

      So, feel free to boo away at Pouliot; no pangs of conscience need trouble you. As you pointed out, he chose to go over to the dark side (we’ll ignore for the moment that no-one else made him an offer), and never tried his hardest when he was here. Despite all the training he was said to have done this off-season, he’s scoreless this season and is -3. Those are entirely boo-worthy stats.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      There were 2different Vegas odds provided on HI/O last game 4.5 and 5.5. I will call my bookie and try get the line for tonite. Rumour is Montreal double painted the blue line, I am anticipating a higher line as a result.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think a better response would be silence every time he touched the puck, because that’s what he generated when he was here.

        Silence.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Benoit Pouliot is not an honourable warrior who left under good graces and is always welcome back, guys such as Saku Koivu and Guy Carbonneau. He is a lazy underachiever who frustrated the fans, his teammates and coaches. Upon becoming a free agent, he signed a contract with the most hated rival of his preceding team, which is his right, and he may not have had any other offers, but he has to be an adult now and face the consequences.

      I wouldn’t waste my breath booing him though, I’d reserve that for players of consequence.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  35. habsfan reduxit says:

    … Pernell says (speaking of fighting with Marchand), “We have quite the past, winning a gold medal together. But it’s a game. That’s what the fans want, that’s what both teams want. It’s energy out there. It’s fun.”

    … but he misses the point. There is no place in hockey for fighting since it models improper behaviour for children who look to the pros to ‘learn’ how to play the game. These are the same children whose parents go to great lengths to teach them that settling of social accounts through violence is a definite no-no.

    … that there are some fans who seemingly approve of such antics (as long as they don’t have to engage in them on their own); that there are some players who find the release of energy as ‘fun’, is of little to no value in the larger scheme of things.

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  36. 24 Cups says:

    “Without the exposure provided by the constant links on Hockey Inside/Out, The Daily Hab-it would have remained my tiny little pet project forever. Instead, it grew into a major voice in a crowded Montreal hockey media landscape, and that’s due in large part to Boone. So thanks, Mike.” (Arpon Basu)

    Mike Boone, JT, Robert L and Arpon Basu have been my favourite Hab writers ever since I started following the team on the internet. I wish Arpon all the best as he moves on to a new career opportunity.

  37. HabFab says:

    http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111028/mtl_habshub_habit_111028/20111028/?hub=MontrealSports

    Apron’s last Hab-it post. He also credits Boone as one of two that gave him his break.

  38. mjames says:

    I am thrilled the team won the last two games, especially given the teams they played. However I have to be a realist. This team is not winner and for that you can point a finger to three experienced hockey men- Gainey, JM and most importantly PG. While I have no real allegiance to Perry Pearn I feel bad for him. PG should step forward and take some of the responsibility for this team’s performance since he and gainey built it. Someone should also tell JM to utilize his players mores effectively. When this flawed team hits the skids again I am sure PG will find another Perry Pearn to scapegoat. All PG does is hide. He does not warrant any respect.

    mjames

    • Mattyleg says:

      Excellent.
      It’s about time someone reminded us how bad we are.
      There was too much smiling going on around here after our wins.
      When will people realize that we have no right to be happy because our team is fundamentally terrible?
      When?
      Will?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • MontrealAtheist says:

      Amen to that … I couldn’t agree more with you! PG should have fired himself if he really wanted to do the team a favor. Firing someone else for his own shortcomings just doesn’t cut it and makes himself look worse,

      PG’s and BG’s poor management decisions in recent years will haunt the team for a long time to come (when does Gomez’ contract run out again?) and JM’s coaching style does not help much either. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks and JM’s arsenal of tricks doesn’t surprise anyone anymore.

  39. hansolo says:

    Re: Arpon Basu

    Good columnist.

    Link doesn’t work (EDIT: didn’t on montreal.ctv.ca, either, but it does now). Where is Harpoon going?

  40. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’m in total agreement with Mike Boone’s comments regarding the Bruins fans invading Montreal.

    I attended a game at the Forum in the early 80’s against Boston, and we had a couple of their pathetic fans in our blue skyboxes, otherwise known as the rafters. They both had O’Reilly jerseys on and didn’t seem to follow the puck or play, they would just wait and cheer when one of their orcs, wearing jerseys as black as their hearts, would charge one of our pure Blanc samurais. There was lots of swearing and shrillness, which was off-putting since there were families and older ladies in the area. I was there with some buddies I played rugby with, we made eye contact with them a couple of times, and they averted their jaundiced eyes and tried to behave as much as their inebriation would allow.

    In the middle of the second they were down by four or five goals already, when Terry O’Reilly jumped over the boards, an action they cheered as if he were the Second Coming of Milt Schmidt. “Hunt, Terry, HUNT!!”, they bellowed, which he assuredly did, skating awkwardly in a zigzag pattern, reliably indicating the direction and area the puck was not going to by his trajectory. The fans continued their encouragement, and oinked and snarled (!) Sure enough, he finally caught up to Mike McPhee or Dave Maley, I can’t really remember, and went at him with a huge highstick and elbows high. After the scrum was separated, he put us on the powerplay long enough that we potted a couple of goals and put the game away completely. Yet our two drunken buffoons were overjoyed by O’Reilly’s charge, they didn’t see it as a poor play by an even worse player, they saw it as a cause for celebration, even as the goals against mounted.

    I haven’t seen the Bruins play since. I heard some comments that the Vancouver crowd gave the Bruins fans a hard time during the finals and may have gone over the line, but I remember how a couple of Boston losers had tarnished a whole section’s experience a couple decades back, and I thought to myself that maybe the Vancouver fans were staking their territory and trying to not give those idiots an inch.

    ———————————
    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Interesting you mention Mr. McPhee, just yesterday I was chatting with a sports bar owner in town who played at RPI with McPhee. The guy was an honours degree graduate in Engineering and one heck of a hockey player. He is exactly the kind of player I wish we could add to our current roster.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I haven’t lost my man-crush yet. He wasn’t the flashiest player, but he kind of took over for Yvon Lambert, a reliable honourable player. I do remember his RPI roots, I was pretty impressed with that at the time, as a kid thinking of becoming an engineer.

        As I stated before, the best thing about Mike McPhee is that whatever, wherever, you knew that things would be okay.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • HabinBurlington says:

          My buddy told me McPhee hated to workout and avoided at all costs. He was your traditional farm or fisherman strong as he is from the East Coast. Apparantly he is currently working as a stock broker out East.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I’ll never forget watching McPhee go in on a breakaway (not sure against who) and suddenly he broke out into the FASTEST bit of tick-tacking stick handling I’d EVER seen.

            Snapped the goal, and everyone went nuts.

            Who expected those hands?? Yaaah!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • JohnBellyful says:

        I’m with you. The team could use a McPhee or two.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Everyone talks about the Habs needing a fighter. All this team needs is a McPhee up front and a Terry Harper on defense. They can play regular minutes while keeping the other team honest. If somebody wants to drop the gloves, so be it.

  41. Danno says:

    Spacek with more comedy gold:

    “For me, it took too long to take all the equipment off,” critiqued Canadiens defenceman Jaroslav Spacek, not much of a fighter and the first one to tell you as much.

    “I was thinking, ‘Are they going to take their sweaters off, too? What the hell’s going on here?’ It was funny.”

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  42. Habfan10912 says:

    Major snow storm in Hudson valley has forced chrisadiens and I to not be able to make the trek up to Albany tonight for the dogs game. Anybody in the Albany area want the tiks. Just e mail me. I have 4 adults and 1 child right behind the dogs bench. JLAPATE at aol . com

    @jimlaplante

  43. JohnBellyful says:

    BOSTON – The last-place Boston Bruins have fired assistant coach Doug Houda to send a message to the team, according to unreliable sources.
    Houda was handed his walking papers during the morning skate.
    Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli was asked when confronted: “How come Houda?”
    “The team needed a shake-up,” he said. “I haven’t the faintest idea what Mr. Houda’s duties were, but recent history suggests inexplicable firings can have a salutary effect on a team that’s performing poorly.”
    The Bruins could use a spark; they’ve won just three games in nine outings and have dropped their last two.
    The club appears to have found its inspiration in arch-rival Montreal Canadiens, who turned their season around after canning assistant coach Perry Pearn. They’ve won two in a row to move out of the basement, making room for the Bruins.
    Montreal and Boston play the second of a home-and-home series Saturday at the Bell Centre, minus an assistant coach on each side. The consensus among hockey bloggers is that the game’s outcome will either confirm the efficacy of ditching an AC or demonstrate its futility.
    Team officials with Columbus, Calgary, Winnipeg and Vancouver say they are considering firing an assistant coach to jumpstart their franchises.
    Back in Boston, insiders say coach Claude Julien’s job is safe but Benoit Pouliot could take the fall if the team continues to lose.
    “I replaced a Ryder with a slyder,” an angry Chiarelli is heard saying on a wire tap that’s gone viral on the Internet.
    In other news, NESN play-by-play announcer Jack Edwards was released from the hospital yesterday after spending the night being treated for apoplexy following the Bruins’ 2-1 loss to the Canadiens. A hospital spokesman speaking anonymously said Edwards required medical attention for a fit of rage rather than a stroke which is much more serious and “is linked to cerebral function.”

    — “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.” –

  44. hansolo says:

    Ok, here are a few questions about shooting percentages for the stats gurus.

    SK74 shot just under 25% last year, on only 93 SOG. This year, he’s shooting 30% on only 10 shots in 9 games — roughly the same pace. In fact, Nashville’s forwards don’t shoot very much at all. Craig Smith leads all forwards with only 23 SOG (Shea Weber leads the team with 26). By comparison, MaxPac has 40 and James Neal 50.

    So, the questions are:

    a) Conventional wisdom tells us shooting percentages of 25% or more are unsustainable.
    b) Does SK74’s low shot totals mean he’s being more selective when he shoots? if so, can he sustain high shooting percentages more than conventional wisdom would suggest?
    d) Why do Nashville’s forwards shoot relatively little? Does their reluctance to shoot correlate with better puck possession? (After all, when you shoot, the other team is likely to end up with the puck). Or is it that they never have the puck, so they can’t shoot very much? (Their record would suggest otherwise).

    One easy explanation for all this is that Nashville’s offence sucks (21 goals in 9 games) but if there others, I’d be interested in hearing them.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Barry Trotz also runs a very tight defensive scheme. Nashville has very limited high end offensive talent pool and rely heavily on a counter punch offense. Trotz game plan is not all that different from our own in house “system”. However one only has to look at their payroll to realize they have to play this way.

      They have a huge offseason approaching. Dman Suter is impending UFA, goalie Rinne is impending UFA and Shea Weber is RFA this summer. Will be interesting what trades Nashville makes this season, as history tells me they won’t be able to re-sign all three.

    • Mark C says:

      Yes, just look at recent SH % leaders and 20% is even likely unsustainable. However, there is a huge caveat here, that is the low volume that SK77 shots, which is creating a super small sample size. He’s on pace to take 91 shots while averaging around 17 minutes a game. That’s Ryan White’s shots per game pace from last year. Haven’t seen a Nashville game yet, but it’s almost impossible to believe that SK74’s super low shot total isn’t in largely part due to a hyper-selectivity. Nashville’s system clearly plays a role, but SK74should be taking more shots than White in JM’s system, who is getting 8 less minutes a night.

      D) You want a team to shot a lot, all the top-10 shooting teams last year made the playoffs, only 3 of the bottom-10 shooting made the playoffs.

  45. Haligonian-Hab says:

    Everyone rips on PK for never “manning up”, but look at Marchand. That was Marchand’s first ever fight, and for all the crap Marchand does, the shoe should be on the other foot.

    And let’s not forgeth that there’s no chance Marchand would drop the gloves outside the safety of the TD Garden. Big props to PK Subban!

    Also loved the stripping of the elbow pads. That’s how it’s done in junior, although it’s meant to allow for easier punching…whatever happened to that? I don’t know..

    • HabFab says:

      Marchand had a very nervous look on his face at the start. It was good it ended up the way it did, if PK had laid on an a$$ whooping then Thornton or Lucic would have felt honour bound to avenge!

  46. Just getting the Big Red Dragon (get your minds out of the gutter, it’s 6am for God sakes) ready for my trip to Virden, MB.

    Hope Carey gets the start haha

    Game On Punks

    Bruins are the only rival in this sport. All others are just stats.

    Shane Oliver
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    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  47. hansolo says:

    ?

    (EDIT: This was a reply in a thread that seems to have been deleted).

  48. HabFab says:

    Me thinks the monitor has a sense of humor!!

  49. Un Canadien errant says:

    I don’t know that many players in the entire league were tougher than Mike McPhee. I remember he announced his arrival with a training camp fight against one of the biggest goons in the league, someone like Joey Kocur or Behn Wilson, and scored a clear win, anyway, CKAC was buzzing about it for days. Sure enough he stuck with the team, and he maintained a Robinsonian ethos regarding fights. His rep was out there, so he didn’t need to do it a lot and and he didn’t, but the opposing team was always aware and minded their manners, mostly.

    ———————————
    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  50. Chrisadiens says:

    Times they are a’changin’ my friend. Not sure where you get that 95%+ , but IMO, fighting is losing its appeal. It will be gone from the game soon.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  51. V says:

    Fighting in hockey sucks. It trivializes the game and the fans. Hopefully will be banned.

  52. Habfan10912 says:

    Was the poll you refer to (95%) taken of just Bostonians?

    @jimlaplante

  53. HabFab says:

    Not to stroke the fire but my take on our perspective.

    We share a common ancestry, language, history, culture and the longest border in the world…but at times we observe you and wonder if we are from the same planet!

  54. Chrisadiens says:

    Its all coming together now.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  55. HabinBurlington says:

    More importantly can my beloved Steelers destroy the evil empire led by a dark side turned Bellichek this Sunday.

  56. Un Canadien errant says:

    You’re probably right, jlgib, but it’s hard to see the forest for the trees sometimes. It’s hard to see through Jack Edwards, generations of Bruins goons, Jay Miller, John Wensink, Mike Milbury, Don Cherry, PJ Stock, the fans at the last game at the Gardens with the sign and the bloody hanging teddy bear, Zdeno Chara, Andrew Ference’s blind hit on Jeff Halpern and his glove middle finger malfunction, Lyndon Byers, Nevin Markwart, Claude Julien sending out his goons at the end of games to thump miscreants such as Jaro Spacek and Tom Pyatt, ….

    ———————————
    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  57. Mark C says:

    As a fellow American in New England, you’re very lucky that your family falls into the smallest section of the Bruins’ fan Venn Diagram.

    There are great Bruins’ fans, but there is something about the Bruins’ that brings out the nasty side of the Boston sports fan.

  58. Habfan10912 says:

    As a south of the border resident I can assure you Habfan that I look at some of my fellow Americans and wonder if they are from the same planet. All I will add is that good people are good people no matter what there race, creed, or origin is. In some places you might have to look a bit harder to locate them.

    @jimlaplante

  59. Chrisadiens says:

    Well, when fighting is abolished Im sure you wont watch hockey anymore. Its a shame, the NHL needs more fans that like violence.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  60. Chrisadiens says:

    Im a hockey fan. I like the sport. If the Euro leagues and womans league were easily accessible I would probably watch. What can I say, Im a sucker for hockey.

    You represent your region very well. Stay classy New Englander.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  61. HabFab says:

    Come on! You didn’t enjoy the ballet that broke out at the hockey game the other night? Heck, it even had three acts! Just can’t satisfy some people…”sigh”!

  62. HabFab says:

    Was in Vegas, a short while ago and the taxis driver asked me what Canadians did to relieve their frustrations as they couldn’t carry guns and shoot?
    Told him we played hockey and fought with our fists!
    And that is an honest to God true story!!

  63. JohnBellyful says:

    May the Steelers prevail! Not that I’m a Steelers fan. Packers it is but ’nuff said, don’t want to steel your thunder.
    Go, Ticats, go.

  64. habstrinifan says:

    Thanks for the link 24cups. There was an earlier post with the ‘link’ in HIO and that gave me a chance to read and re-read Pearn’s comments very seriously.

    I am afraid I came away with a lot more concern than you jlgib21.
    If Pearn remains in the organization and bends his friend, JM’S ear as he seems inclined to it will impede progress on the organization’s new ‘philosophy’ and getting JM on board.

    In fact I felt so worried I wrote this open letter to Mr. Pearn.

    No Mr. PeARN.. you were NOT a scapegoat. While you were not the sole person responsible, your signature WAS the MAIN one on the two areas that the team showed an abject ability.

    And Mr. Pearn the ONE big statement of confidence that you made is probably the ONE BIG reason for your dismissal. That JM ‘had your back’.

    It is my opinion, and PG’s ‘need for change’ speech supports my opinion, that the unquestioned adherence to your methods by both you and JM, with the obdurately held assumption that ‘with time’, you would have achieved good results… was pigheaded folly in the face of contrary evidence. And it is easy to draw the conclusion from your ‘convictions’ that you may NOT have encouraged and may have even discouraged input from others (two Randys), maybe unwittingly.

    Mr Pearn you expressed your belief in the strength of the friendship between you and Mr. Martin by your absolute certainty that Mr Martin ‘had your back’. And, according to Bob Mackenzie, you are RIGHT.

    I ask you then to ‘think outside the box’. To return a gesture to JM worthy of the friendship he showed you. Let JM move on! Do not sit and dwell with him on the events of the past week.. not for a while anyways. Let JM embrace the ‘change’ requested by PG. It would be good for the players and for the team and for us the fans.

    And above all it CANT but HELP make JM a better coach. And it would unquestionably upgrade his perception (and legacy) around the league if he were to be seen as having grown into a more adaptive coach who had added a renaissance flair to his methods.

    Please Mr. Pearn.. JM had your back… now you have his by leaving him be (for now) to build a great and inventive ‘coaching team’ for this franchise, which you admitted has done well by you.

    Thank

  65. Chrisadiens says:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=406500&cmpid=rss

    And here’s what fans think. 54% want it banned. Must run in the region.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  66. HabFab says:

    Memories, medicine for the soul!

  67. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    A win for us and a win for Mr. Molson. Hope the guy calling the shots on the ice sees the logic……………

    ____________________________________________________
    They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!


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