Rimouski defenceman Morin could be a good fit for Habs at draft

When Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin addressed the media at his post-season press conference after the Habs were eliminated by the Ottawa Senators in the first round of the playoffs, he said he wanted a big, fast, strong team, but added that it takes time.

“You don’t change the makeup of a team overnight,” Bergevin said. “It takes a long time to change the makeup of a team. Obviously, there’s 29 other teams that want to be big, fast and strong, but that’s easier said than done. But I believe balance is very important. You can’t win with all big guys and you can’t win with all small guys.”

Bergevin, who has six picks in the first three rounds of next month’s NHL entry draft, said his philosophy is to select the best player, but added one option was to take size into consideration.

“It’s easier said than done because everyone is looking for those players, but we’ll look at it, for sure,” Bergevin said.

One of the players Bergevin could be looking at is Samuel Morin, a 6-foot-6, 202-pound defenceman with the Rimouski Océanic. Morin jumped from No. 76 in Central Scouting’s midterm rankings to 23 on its final list last month of draft-eligible North American skaters. That’s right around where the Habs are slated to pick in the first round.

“He moves really well for a big guy and he has a good sense of the game, offensively and defensively. He’s quite a responsible player,” Dan Marr, director of Central Scouting, told The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell.

“When you get a guy that’s that big, that rangy, can make the first pass out of the zone and has a good stick to defend and he’s got a little bit of a physical element … that’s a pretty nice package.”

(Photo courtesy of Rémi Sénéchal/Rimouski Océanic)

Defenceman Morin’s stock on the rise for NHL draft, by Brenda Branswell

Some names to remember for NHL draft, by Brenda Branswell

Central Scouting final rankings, NHL.com

Red Wings built through the draft, by Cam Cole of Postmedia News

Canucks fire head coach Vigneault,  montrealgazette.com

Penguins’ Mike Lange an iconic hockey voice, Postmedia News

644 Comments

  1. Sportfan says:

    Here’s Ben/Commandants Article about Briere possibly beings bought out!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
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    • Habfan10912 says:

      EDIT: In an attempt to avoid upsetting folks I’ve removed the link as it’s been previously posted. I apologize.

    • Ron says:

      How many times you boys going to plug it…Ben put it up himself awhile back.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Didn’t realize that. I apologize for any inconvenience. Have a nice evening.

        • Ron says:

          Its not an inconvenience at all Jim. After awhile the plugging for off site blogs get repititive. Its not you filling in the blank for Nick. Its Nick plugging something twice for the same article from a blog he writes stuff for, whether its his article or others. Most people see it the first time and either go over to read it ( which I did ) or pass up on it.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Understand. I hadn’t seen the previous link. Sloppy posting on my part. 2minutes delay of game. CHeers.

    • Timo says:

      Briere and DD on the same line. I like it. Briere-DD-Gionta – a killer line that will strike fear in the hearts of the opposition.

  2. Un Canadien errant says:

    It’s official, the Colorado Avalanche have tweeted that Patrick Roy is their new head coach.

    https://twitter.com/Avalanche

    Sigh….

    EDIT: He gets a VP of Hockey Ops title as well, which means a bump in salary from just your regular plain ole coach. He probably did some tough negotiating, probably why it took so long to finalize.

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  3. Maritime Ron says:

    Re the Briere Amnesty Buyout

    There should not be much of a surprise.
    The soon to be 36 year old has seen his production go south in the past 2 years.
    No upside there, and with a $6.5M Cap Hit for the next 2 years it only made sense.

    The good news for Ed Snyder is that there is ‘only’ 2/3 of the remaining $5M Salary to be paid out over the next 4 years as per the CBA that mentions a team buyout is paid out over double the term left and 2/3 of the salary

    Even with this buyout, Philly is still in a Cap problem situation and then what to do with Bryzgalov that still has 7 more years of a $5,666,667 Cap Hit!

    • coutNY says:

      Maybe I missing something, but isn’t the whole premise an Amnesty buyout that it won’t count towards the salary from my understanding, hense Amnesty from the salary cap so no 2/3 rds?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      What makes it even more sensible is that his actual salary, his wage remaining to be paid out, is $3M next season, and $2M after that. They only pay 2/3 of that over four years, and get the six million per year in cap relief. Easy call.

      http://www.capgeek.com/player/749

      • coutNY says:

        its not as simple as 2/3rds remaining salary; it considers the cap hit:
        Buyout Details for Breire
        What the actual CAP HIT is in a normal buyout:
        2013-14 $4,333,333
        2014-15 $5,333,333
        2015-16 $833,333
        2016-17 $833,333

        so they’d only shifting a small portion into 2015 – 2017 periods

        http://www.capgeek.com/buyout-calculator/?player_id=749&buyout_y=2013&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I don’t think that’s correct. What Ron is discussing is an amnesty buyout. With the amnesty buyout, the benefit is that the team is absolved of any cap hit, unlike a regular buyout.

          Every team gets two special amnesty buyout to get the salary structure in line with new one imposed by the new CBA. The Canadiens used one on Scott Gomez in January. The Flyers have two to use.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Didn’t see your response before my post below
            :-)

          • commandant says:

            The issue is that the cap hit and the dollars in pocket of the player are not the same.

            The “real dollars” are 833,333 per season for 4 years.

            The cap hit is what is seen above (on a normal buyout).

            On an amnesty buyout, the real dollars stay the same, and the cap hit is zero.

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        • Maritime Ron says:

          That is the ‘traditional’ buyout

          One of the new CBA details was to allow Amnesty buyouts that would allow no bring forward Cap Penalties to the teams invoking that privilege.

          Each team is allowed a total 2 of those amnesty buyouts that can done either this summer or summer of 2014.
          Those Cap Hits get completely ad 100% wipe out
          The rest would fall under the Cap penalty rules you mention

          • coutNY says:

            sorry, thought you were discussing that it would be better to do a traditional because he only had 2 low paying years on his contract. But in Amnesty buyout the team does not get the 2/3rds benefit; the player receives 100% of the remaining contract.

          • commandant says:

            Nope the CBA is clear, the player still gets 2/3rds over double the length.

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    • Sportfan says:

      Pauly is going to lose his job!

      Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
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  4. NL Hab says:

    People are talking about using our picks to trade up in the draft. I don’t like this idea at all. I think after the top 10 or 15 players, it is really a crap shoot. I would rather keep the picks and stock the cupboard. Obviously, not all of these draft picks are going to play in the NHL, but the more picks you have, you certainly increase your odds.

    Plus, to give up a 2nd round pick to move up 4 or 5 spots seems like a hefty price. I don’t expect Bergevin to do this either.

    Et Le But

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree, although I am not against trading the first overall pick and Weber, or another player they don’t have in their plans to move up for another teams first round pick.

      Habfan17

    • JUST ME says:

      Do not worry about that. Many habs fans here are big fans of the ¨at any price theory¨ or the ¨right now before someone else takes him ¨or the ¨if he is garbage for others he will be gold for us ¨.

      And then a few months later they realize that someone else overpaid or got fooled by the need of the moment and are very happy that we did not move.

      Problem is that fans have short term view or short term memory. They want the Habs to be better without making sure that the Bulldogs build something for us to use in the future. In that sense the great season we just went through fooled us cause in Hamilton there are no reasons to celebrate if not for the new players from last year. The farm team is in poor shape and the draft choices we have now have to remain as they are so we can build for the future.

      It would not be of any use to trade up in the present situation. We need much more patience than that and lots of hard work also. No easy solution.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’d temper your comments about the Bulldogs being in “poor shape”. I agree that their win total wasn’t great, they finished last, but that’s not what the farm team is for. The primary objective of your AHL team is to develop young players, and the Bulldogs’ coaching staff did plenty of that last season. Next year could still be a struggle in the standings, but more important than that, lots of talented youngsters will work hard and get lots of icetime and improve their game.

        • JUST ME says:

          The Bulldogs had carreer AHLers . Not that it does not have any value but with the Blundens , St- Denis,Schultz and others that will probably never graduate permanently your team is stuck with players that can patch holes but nothing more.
          With the new arrivals of Tinordi,Beaulieu and the next crop of draftees you have a real foundation to build something and shape NHL players.
          I agree with you that the new coaching staff has been busy with the youngsters last year but one must also admit that they were back to the drawing board with the farm team. It does look good and we have every reason to be optimistic but we must be very patient cause results usually takes years.

  5. habs1992 says:

    PLEASE GET RICHARDS, then get rid of DD

    I support Carey Price

  6. habs001 says:

    The Habs d as it finished the playoffs has only PK who provides any 5/5 offensive help for the forwards and he is a bit restrained by the coaching staff…In the playoffs very hard to score if there is no offensive d support 5/5…

  7. NL Hab says:

    Let the debate begin. If Briere and Richards are bought out, do the Habs go after one of these guys? Richards wants to play out East. I know Briere didn’t want to play in Montreal a few years when he signed the big contract in Philly. However, he is nearing the end of his career, so maybe he signs a 2 year $4M/year deal with the Habs. Maybe Richards gets a 4 year $4M/year deal. If these guys are bought out, they pretty much become the Top 2 UFA’s this Summer.

    Et Le But

    • Habfan17 says:

      no thanks, neither brings the size or grit that is needed

      Habfan17

    • Garbo says:

      They won’t be bought out. These are two tradeable players. Regardless of their cap hit, some team will want them.

      Richards adds a lot to a team, including a overflowing cup of grit, which I understand is a well sought after asset these days.

      • NL Hab says:

        I think Briere could possibly be traded to a team looking to hit the cap floor. The cap hit vs. Salary paid will be very enticing to the lower payroll teams, like St. Louis. However, I don’t think anyone is going after Richards with his $6.7M cap hit until he is 40 years old. This is the last year for compliance buyouts, so I would bet the farm that no team in the NHL takes on this contract. It is basically a Scott Gomez contract. He has 7 more years left to this contract. I think the Rangers will try long and hard to find a trade partner, but he will be bought out.

        Et Le But

      • coutNY says:

        “overflowing cup of grit” sure you didn’t mispell grit, should the be an S & H in place of the G & R? Just kidding, it was tee’d up!

      • Mike D says:

        Overflowing cup of grit? I think you’re talking about Mike Richards, but it’s Brad Richards that everyone else is talking about.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

  8. Maritime Ron says:

    bwoar says: Never, ever, ever draft a goalie in the first round.
    ——
    Interesting thought.
    So what does the reality say about this year’s 8 goaltenders left and some recent Cup winners?
    Does the goalie make the team?
    Does the team make the goalie?
    Or does everything just have to work right?

    The remaining 8 and where they were drafted:
    Rask: 1st Round-22nd Overall (By Toronto)
    Quick: 3rd Round-72nd Overall Cup Winner
    Niemi: Never Drafted-Cup Winner 2010
    Howard: 2nd Round-64th Overall
    Crawford: 2nd Round-52nd Overall
    Vokoun: *By the Habs-9th Round-226th Overall in 1994
    Anderson: 3rd Round-73rd Overall ( by Chicago)
    Lundqvist: 7th Round-205th Overall

    Recent Cup winners:
    2012: Quick: 3rd Round-72nd Overall
    2011: Thomas: 9th Round-217th Overall
    2010: Niemi: Never Drafted
    2009: MA Fleury: Ist Overall Draft pick in 2003
    2008: Osgood: 3rd Round-54th Overall
    2007: JS Giguere: 1st Round-13th Overall
    2006: Ward: 1st Round- 25th Overall

    • bwoar says:

      The point is, you can get Stanley Cup winning goaltending anywhere in the draft. It’s much harder to find talented skaters (Timmins-style, let’s say) later on. I would always draft a skater in the first round.

      And yeah, Carey Price was a mistake from that point of view. But, at least they didn’t draft Gilbert Brule.

      I think last night’s game is demonstrative – 2 goalies drafted beyond the 1st round, the “better” goalie, the one playing better this year, anyhow – gets shelled. Was it his fault? Nope. Ottawa simply can’t compete on the same level as the Penguins. So even though their best player is their goalie, the team can’t “make” him, and he can’t make the team Cup contenders.

      On the other hand, on a loaded team like the Penguins, it barely matters who is in net. most of the time. In many ways, a team can “make” a goalie, but not vice versa.

      Recent Habs examples: Halak couldn’t turn us into Cup winners with the best hockey of his career, any more than Jose Theodore could, even while winning a Hart & Vezina Trophy.

      Goalies in general are WAY overrated in Canada and Quebec.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Agree on your last point. We have a cultural memory of a rookie goaltender taking a vastly undermanned squad to a Stanley Cup championship, then doing it again in a few years.

        Older fogeys spin the yarn of another rookie goalie in the early seventies who came out of nowhere and took the underdog Canadiens to a Cup, and did THAT again a couple seasons later.

        Held up against that lens, Carey will never measure up. I’m not saying he can’t play better than he did last season, he certainly can, but the bar has been set really high for him, and some fans will never be satisfied

  9. 24 Cups says:

    Just got home so I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned that Brad Richards is a healthy scratch tonight.

    • Habilis says:

      Crazy. Remember a few summers ago when he was being treated like hockey royalty?

      I smell the Rangers’ second buyout for his highness. ;)

      Also, how does Sather still have that gig?

      • 24 Cups says:

        This should be a very interesting summer. Some major moves are going to be made around the NHL in terms of management, goalies and buyouts.

    • habnonymous1 says:

      Tough one to take a suspension on. Player was aware of his presence, approach was from the front, didn’t leave his feet. Puck carrier had his head down and took hit partially on the chin. No apparent targetting of head or intent to injure, no penalty call.

      Remember Shanahan parsing the whole “principal point of contact” thing. Contacting head, even contacting head first, isn’t necessarily illegal if head is only one part of overall contact.

      Junior league must have a zero-tolerance policy, otherwise it looks to me like they suspended for the result rather than for the action.

      While everyone is entitled to their own opinion as to whether the hit was illegal I think it goes too far to call it a ‘dirty’ hit.

      Looking forward to having this tough, physical player coming up through the Habs system.

  10. Habfan17 says:

    There were some earlier posts regarding using draft picks on goalies and how many that are successful in the NHL, were not drafted. There were some examples of players who would be available in Europe. Although he is not European, the Habs did sign Mike Condon as a college UFA in early May, He is 6’2″ 195 lbs, with a 2.48 gaa, and .943 save % With Tokarski already in Hamilton, they should not need to draft a goalie this year. Maybe they could sign one of the undrafted Europeans that were mentioned in the earlier posts.

    Habfan17

  11. habs001 says:

    Most people feel that Markov has to play fewer minutes…But the same thing was said about Hammer year after year but his ice time still remained the same..Will the Habs cut Markovs time?….

    • NL Hab says:

      I think they have to be more selective with his minutes. I know a lot of times last year, even when they had a big lead late in the games, they were still playing Markov a lot. He is still capable of playing 25 minutes a night, but not every night.

      Also, people still expect Markov from 2007. The fact of the matter is that he is not the same player. There has been a lot of damage done to this man over the years and he isn’t getting any younger. He is still a great player, and a great leader, and it will be sad to see him go after next year.

      Et Le But

  12. Steeltown Hab says:

    In terms of the draft I think there are certain guys everyone is hoping will drop to MTL

    Horvat, Mantha, Erne, Gauthier, etc.

    Just have one of those feelings all those guys will be off the board and it will be such a shocker who they take, either way I trust in Timmins probably more than anyone in the org. The second rounders are going to be really interesting.

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    • Stevie.Ray says:

      If this years draft is anything like last years, then Timmins has the easiest job ever. Last year it seemed like every team was passing on highly touted prospects and making off the board selections. That’s why Collberg, Bozon, and Hudon were all still available a lot later than expected. Even Vail and Thrower slid a bit.

      With a deep draft like this one, I wonder how many unexpected picks will be made in the first couple rounds.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Montreal needs to move up so they can take Morin. A lot will depend on Philly if they decide to go off the board and take Morin early.

  13. myron.selby says:

    Does anyone have a link to Galchenyuk’s first shoot-out goal in the Finland game? I saw the video on his second goal (which was brilliant) but I can’t find the first one.

  14. Bill says:

    @Chris: I hear what you are saying, but the problem also is in the fact the good forward prospects the Habs have – Collberg, Kristo, Hudon – who won’t mature for a couple of years are also smaller players. So I do agree tha the Habs should be looking to pick some bigger players in the top 90 this year.

    • Chris says:

      I honestly expect only one of those guys to be with the Habs in 5 years’ time.

      Anything more than that means that one or more of them have performed better than imagined, in which case their size won’t be that big an issue.

  15. commandant says:

    Daniel Briere is being amnestied.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/23/report-daniel-briere-to-be-bought-out-in-philadelphia/

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  16. Bill says:

    @Hobie: that’s why my kid plays goal. Even atom players won’t let another kid hit their goalie. I don’t know if I’d let my kid play forward.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      My nephew is playing baseball, soccer and golf because my sister and brother-in-law would be worried for his safety, if he were to play hockey.

      Smart move.

      • habnonymous1 says:

        ** Every parent is obviously free to make their own choices for their kids so this comment is not targeted individually but generally. **

        Concussions/brain injuries are common in soccer too and not unheard of in baseball. A wayward golf club or ball could cause a lot of damage. All of those sports have risk of knee/joint/back maladies and the odd laceration here and there. Plus you will almost never get hit by lightning in a hockey arena.

        All sports / activities carry some risk for injury. I personally believe that taking appropriate precautions ( e.g. properly fastened chin straps and fitted mouthguards ) and good coaching / reffing mitigates the risk.

        My son wrecked his knee four times through his teens, once each in hockey, football, rugby, and soccer – he wouldn’t have missed out on any of them just to avoid potential injury.

        Manage the risks, then let the kids play – especially hockey because it is the best !!

  17. Fransaskois says:

    I know Taylor Leier and it’s a shame that he got hurt. However, he made a bad decision trying to pull that move off. Thrower took advantage of it and it’s too bad he chose the dirty play instead of the safe play. Didn’t expect him to get suspended that long but… hopefully it sends a message to Thrower as well as the other players in the tournament.

  18. Luke says:

    Re the Hit/Suspension:
    You know what is BS?
    This garbage about being suspended “for the remainder of the series”.
    Same with the Torres hit.

    These Hockey Ops guys are taking the easy way out. They don’t put an number on it, so they can’t set a precedent. With Torres, it prevents an NHLPA appeal if the series goes 7 (Thus a 6 game suspension).
    If you a suspending someone, they should be clear and definite in the penalty, not for “a game or two” in Thrower’s case or “3 to 6 games” in Torres’ case.

    That’s what’s BS.

  19. Timo says:

    Damn, HIO took it down and now I forget what was the score in the last Habs/Sens game.

  20. Bill says:

    Ed, Commandant, and other guys who watch the Q:

    Who is the best Quebec prospect the Habs could possibly get this year?

    Gauthier, Mantha, or Morin?

    • SlimDiggity says:

      One thing about Mantha is he missed 2012 draft eligibility by about 2 days, so he’s likely the oldest player in this draft.

      50 goals is impressive, but 5’9″ Gabriel Dumont scored 51 as a 19 year old in the Q…

  21. Bill says:

    About Mantha, I haven’t read anything that outright suggested he’s a dog or doesn’t compete. I think the reason he’s projected as a mid 1st-rounder is probably more about his being a late-bloomer.

  22. Fake says:

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/montreal_canadiens/

    Let me copy and past some points HF makes;

    STRENGTHS
    Depth on defense

    WEAKNESSES
    Gritty/Physical Forwards

    They could`ve said alot more than that but both are correct. But with that said, do you not pick the Power Forward over the over-sized less skilled defenseman? This team wants and badly needs to get; bigger, tougher, and more physical to go along with the speed and skill. Lmao. This is getting pathetic. Common sense people.

    • Chris says:

      The problem is that the short-term need to get bigger is not necessarily the long-term need of the franchise. Kids drafted this year will not be impact players for 3-5 years.

      Montreal has already bulked up quite a bit over the past two years, and are realistically 1 or 2 players away from being every bit as bit as most teams in the league.

      Pacioretty, Bourque, Eller, Subban, Tinordi, Galchenyuk, Emelin, Prust…all bigger guys who have become regulars for the Habs over the past 1-3 seasons.

      Gionta is on his way out after next season, and I suspect Desharnais will be dealt as well to make room for Galchenyuk and Eller.

      Add a player like Bickell and the Habs no longer have a huge size mismatch at forward. So I’m all for taking the guy who is most likely to develop into an elite scorer. Size would be great, but goals are my focus.

      • Fake says:

        I completely agree dude, I hate that I have to point out that I didn’t mean that it was a immediate fix, bergevin builds through the draft. This is a great draft to pick up at least 1 Power Forward. That is all I meant.

      • NL Hab says:

        I don’t anticipate too many teams lined up for Desharnais. I think it is a safe bet we are stuck with him for the next 4 years.

        Et Le But

  23. Bill says:

    In defence of Thrower, I thought it was a good hit because it was straight on. The Gryba hit on Eller I thought was dirty because it was blindside.

    I’m really confused: what is an ok hit nowadays, and how can someone make one? If you target someone’s shoulder and they instinctively crouch and you hit their head … What can you do? Why didn’t Leier bail out of that play?

    • pmaraw says:

      it’s just cause it’s the chl. any contact to the head and you’re out. It was clean, if he doesn’t make that hit in the nhl he’d be in the pressbox.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It’s all a bunch of BS Bill. It is an impossible task to nitpick through all these hits and say, that’s good, that’s not, blah blah blah.

      Either accept the fact that with rock hard shoulder pads and open ice hits, injures will always happen. There is no way to tell a player who’s full of adrenaline, traveling super fast, to watch out for a guy’s chin.

      You either have open ice hitting in the game or you don’t.

      • Cal says:

        The Scot Stevens type of hit is being taken away from the game. It shouldn’t cost a player his well being to try to carry the puck in to the offensive zone.
        I know if I had a kid, I’d think twice about letting him/her play hockey with headhunters. I’m pretty sure any parent of a concussed kid would agree with me on this. Hitting should be allowed. Trying to kill the opponent has to stop.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Again, there is hitting in hockey or there isn’t. I think most players if not all, are trying to hit the other guy as hard as possible.

          Remember the entrie bounty thing in the NFL, that was a tad extreme. However, all coaches and players in the NHL and CHL, during the playoffs, are trying to hit the other players as hard as they can, even hoping to hurt them.

          If you are a parent you have two options, take your kid out of hockey or insist the league remove hitting from the game.

          Other option, realize you are putting your child’s safety at risk and except it and don’t bitch when your kid is the one who gets hurt, as you are well aware of the risks.

          • Cal says:

            Effective bodychecking doesn’t need to leave a player twitching on the ice. Remember when Robinson hit Dornhoefer and the boards had to be hammered back into place? Dorny was hurt, but he didn’t miss a shift.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            That is one of 10000000000000000000000000000000000 body checks…

    • Luke says:

      Leier bails out and everyone (Don Cherry) calls him soft and a coward… unCanadian chicken…
      C’mon, taking a hit to make a play is as important as finishing your check.
      I’m not sure it was a bad hit either, but I thought Gryba’s was fine too. Both were similar enough in my opinion.

      • pmaraw says:

        he didn’t have to bail out, just play the puck down the boards and absorb the hit on the boards. instead he tries to be cute and embarrass thrower by dangling him. didn’t work.

    • SlimDiggity says:

      The toe drag move was really ill-advised and it looks like Thrower anticipated it. He can’t let the player dangle him and get a scoring chance- he has to attempt to take the body. In my opinion it wasn’t vicious or overly aggressive/reckless. Not saying it didn’t up being dirty, but the other player does himself no favors in this situation.

      Again, toe drag move at the blue line with your head down?

    • savethepuck says:

      Rules are changing and it is going in the direction that the onus is being put more on the player delivering the hit to be responsible. There is no more blaming a guy for having his head down or putting himself in a vulnerable position. The player making the check has to ensure he doesn’t make contact with the head. I think players will have to learn to hit a guy to take him out of the play, and not to try and kill the guy. Too many careers are being ended.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • NL Hab says:

      Thrower was anticipating him to continue to the outside. When he cut back in the middle, Thrower was committed to the hit and caught him in the head. It wasn’t a malicious hit by any means, but it was a hit to the head. Plus, with all of the media attention surrounding the Memorial Cup, the CHL felt it had to do something.
      I really like Thrower, and I think he will continue to get better. Can’t wait to see him wear the bleu, blanc et rouge

      Et Le But

  24. commandant says:

    Was Thrower’s hit legal 10 years ago? Yes.

    Does it matter? The rule book has changed.

    You can’t have a hit with principle point of contact being the head. Thats the rule… Heck in the OHL and in the International game you can’t have a hit to the head at all, they have even taken out the words “principle point of contact”.

    The “blindside” part of Rule 47 is gone…. its all principle point of contact under NHL rules, and the Mem Cup is operating under NHL rules (since WhL, OHL, QMJHL are all slightly different).

    The world has changed. The rule makers decided they didn’t want head shots. Player safety and the medical science on concussions have changed things.

    It isn’t 2003, so it doesn’t matter if that used to be a good hockey play. Its 2013, and I have no trouble seeing that Throwers shoulder makes principle contact with Leier’s head.

    Habs prospect or not… its a dirty hit, and the suspension is deserved.

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    • SlimDiggity says:

      Dirty? Maybe. Intentionally dirty? I don’t think so. I don’t think Dalton was out for blood (despite the nervous smile afterwards).

      • commandant says:

        Doesn’t have to be “intentionally” dirty.

        Recklessness is enough for a suspension. And Recklessness is dirty.

        I don’t want the suspension department trying to figure out intent here. And intent shouldn’t even matter. If you are reckless, you put other players at risk. Thrower was reckless in the way he threw the hit.

        Hopefully, Thrower will learn from this. How to be tough without being reckless.

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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      So if it is accidental, no difference. Throw the book at him?

      And what the heck is the forward doing on that play? How does he not know he’s on the ice with one of the better physical defensemen in the WHL?

      9 of 10 players would have been ready for the check and been hit into the boards.

      But because this guy is clueless, Thrower gets suspended…or should? The ref had it correct, no penalty.

      • Luke says:

        Yup. Sort of…

        Accidental: Throw a book at him.
        Intentional: Throw a heavier book at him.

        Hockey seems to be the only place where people say it was accidental, so we should let him off.
        I’m sure many DUI’ers would say that driving was reckless, but the collision was accidental.

        • pmaraw says:

          apples an oranges, driving drunk and getting in an ‘accident’ is the result of driving drunk which was no accident.

          • Luke says:

            Yah it is, but it’s the quickest analogy i could come up with.

            Thrower intentionally threw the hit, accidentally hitting the head or not, he initiated the contact and he hit the head. He KOed the guy and now he has to take his punishment.

            You could equate it, I suppose, to the difference between a 1st and manslaughter murder charge.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          So Thrower was drunk now?

      • Ron says:

        For some on here Hobie I think they want this league to turn into broom ball. Some have their own self worth and think all is cut and dried by what their word states. Crap.

      • commandant says:

        Reckless and accidental….. its still an offence.

        Whether we like the rule or not, its the rule as currently on the books.

        The powers that be in the league have decided that any hit with a principle point of contact as the head is a suspendable offence. Whether you like that, agree with it, or not… doesn’t make a difference, the rule book is the rule book as it stands today in 2013.

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    • pmaraw says:

      perhaps we should just take hitting out of the game, cause, that was all the puckhandler’s fault. like I said before, if he chips the puck in down the boards instead of trying to dangle at the worst time, he’s not in the hospital.

  25. SmartDog says:

    Damn! It’s really too bad we don’t have Gainey and Gauthier at the Helm. I bet we could get Brad Richards in return for Bourque, our best prospect, and a pick.

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  26. H.Upmann says:

    Reading up on Fred Gauthier. Hope MB, Timmins and crew have a plans in place for draft day..

  27. pmaraw says:

    my 2 cents on the thrower hit.
    it reminded me more of the white hit, where he was suspended, not blind side, the player tried to step around Thrower but was a step late. The results however had the Eller play all over it.

  28. thebonscott says:

    I WISH THERE WAS SOMEWAY WE COULD GET ANTHONY MANTHA, BUT HE WILL BE GONE. WOULD U USE A FIRST ON FUCALE??

    GET BIGGER, GET TOUGHER, GET EVEN.

    • Cal says:

      Ok. Please stop shouting! ;)

      EDIT- You know, there’s a joke in there, and it has to do with knowing Fucale…

    • veryhabby says:

      According to Hockey News, Mantha is ranked 24, is totally who I would love to get. The other is ranked at #21 Kerby Rychel, yes the son of. “a character player who scores and fights. He is 6-1, 200lbs presently. I doubt he’ll be around, but something about former player’s kids. They have the genes and understanding about what it takes!

      Mantha, is a pure goal scorers, but scouts wonder about effort. Which is what so many of these late first round guys have written about them.

    • SlimDiggity says:

      Mantha is certainly big, but tough? The knock on him is his compete level and that he doesn’t use his size effectively. Given his size and numbers, he would be a top 10 pick if not top 5 for SURE. The fact that he’s being looked at as a late first rounder means there are some major question marks. He could fall into the 2nd (though I doubt it).

    • NL Hab says:

      If Mantha and Gauthier are gone, I would use a 1st on Fucale. We are really lacking goaltending in our farm system. I would almost consider drafting another goalie in the later rounds.

      Et Le But

  29. Sportfan says:

    Was the hit Thrower had caused the one where he was actually smiling after?

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  30. commandant says:

    Thrower suspended for the remainder of the Memorial Cup.

    Can’t say I’m surprised, that hit was dirty.

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    • Cal says:

      Yep. I expected it. He’s almost ready for the NHL. A few more hits like that and he’ll be a hot commodity.

    • pmaraw says:

      I’m gonna have to disagree. he was in front of the guy for a good while, the guy had the puck the whole time, he tried to toe drag around thrower, too little too late, and got caught. this is why players who can’t dangle, shouldn’t, if he chips the puck up the boards instead, then he’s not in the hospital

      • commandant says:

        so what? The rule no longer includes the word “blind side”

        Doesn’t matter if you come from the front, back or side… you make principle contact with the head, its illegal.

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        • pmaraw says:

          I understand, it’s the CHL, they gotta be strict. That doesn’t mean it’s not the puckhandlers fault. If Thrower doesn’t throw a hit there, then he’s just a really small Hal Gill.

          • Luke says:

            He could have aimed for the near shoulder and not the centre of chest. That’d prevent chin contact and probably not casued the KO.
            Like Gryba, he seems to go across the body the make contact… that’s the root cause.

  31. John Frodo says:

    I keep reading Montreal should be drafting 22 or 23. Positions held by Washington and Columbus. Whats the deal?

    I am not sure how much better a pick we are going to get moving up 4 spots? Why not go for Columbus 16 or Buffalo.

    • commandant says:

      We are drafting 23-25

      If Pittsburgh and Chicago both win this round we draft 25

      If one loses 24

      If both lose 23

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      • GrimJim says:

        Where do you get the crirteria that you are basing this on? because the only set of rules that I have found regarding the entry draft were from the hockey operations page of NHL.com and my reading of that says we are picking 26 or 27th. So I would like to know where I am making my mistake if it is in fact 23-25th.

        • commandant says:

          Draft order per league rules.

          1) Take the winner of the draft lottery, place them at number 1 (for first round only)
          2) Take none playoff teams, place them 2-14. (1-14 in rounds 2 onward)
          3) Take Cup winner place at 30
          4) Take Cup finalist place at 29
          5) Take conference final loser teams place at 27-28 based on points
          6) Take division winners who did not make the final four, order based on points and place them from 26 downwards… (could be 2-6 teams here).
          7) Take all teams who lost in the first two rounds and are not division winners… order them by points from 15-24 (depending how many you have).

          Thats how draft order is determined.

          Since Montreal is the 4th highest ranked division winner in the league, and did not make the final 4, they could pick 23, 24, 25, 26 depending on other results.

          Once anaheim lost, we can no longer pick 26th… they are better than us and also lost before the final 4.

          If Pittsburgh or Chicago lose, we get bumped one spot. If not, we stay at 25, if both lose, we bump two spots.

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        • savethepuck says:

          Stanley Cup winner picks 30th
          SCF losers picks 29th
          Losers of ECF and WCF pick 28th nd 27th depending on where they finished in the regular season.
          15th to 26th is decided by the losers of the first 2 playoff rounds depending on where they finished in regular season.
          Habs finished 4th overall behind Chi, Pitt, and Ana. Therefore Anaheim will be picking after Habs for sure, the only other possibilities are Chi and Pitt.

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      • Maritime Ron says:

        draft spots 29-30 reserved for Cup winner and finalist
        draft spots 27-28 reserved for Conference finalists
        Then Division winners by points
        Habs were a Division winner

        • GrimJim says:

          Then it’s really weird/stupid that the NHL got it wrong on their own web page
          http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377

          • commandant says:

            Thats an old rule that hasn’t been in effect in several years. See 2010 when we picked 27th for making the final four, and had to trade up for Tinordi. That was the first year of the “final four” rule instead of just the cup winner.

            NHL.com hasn’t updated…. don’t know why.

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          • GrimJim says:

            @commandant
            Thanks for the info. I knew that was how it was done for the previous years but I wasn’t sure if the NHL had changed the criteria as part of the lockout.

      • John Frodo says:

        Thanks Ben

  32. NL Hab says:

    I have really been doing some research on the upcoming draft and there is a few people who I hope end up slipping down in the 1st round. One guy I would certainly draft if he is available is Zach Fucale. Some sites have him in top 10, and others have him in the 2nd round. The Habs really have no goaltending depth or prospects. I like Dustin Tokarsky, but he is certainly not a blue chip prospect. He really gets overshadowed in Halifax because of Mackinnon and Drouin, but I think he would be a solid pickup.

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    • RobertAlanFord says:

      With 6 picks in the top 90 I’m sure the Habs will find a couple gems.

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    • bwoar says:

      Never, ever, ever draft a goalie in the first round.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Chris says:

        I wouldn’t say never, but it would have to be special circumstances.

        I think most people would take Kopitar over Price if the draft were re-done, but few would have done that in 2005. Kopitar was a coming from a non-hockey nation (Slovenia) and his time in the Swedish junior leagues probably wasn’t enough to soothe some of the fears.

        Price was a “safe” pick, and if we’re being honest, he’s probably had the fourth biggest impact of the players chosen in that first round (behind Crosby, Ryan, Kopitar; you could make an argument for any of Setoguchi, Price, Staal or Rask for the 5th spot). So he wasn’t the wrong pick, it was just a crap draft.

        This year looks like a draft that should have some good players even down lower in the draft. I wouldn’t spend a top-50 pick on a goalie, but I would certainly consider using the late 2nd rounder on a goalie if one of Eric Comrie or Tristan Jarrie happened to fall that far. Other than Calgary, there’s no team out there that has a dire, immediate need for a goaltender, so there should be good ones left in the second round.

        • bwoar says:

          I’m not gonna start in about Kopitar (though I’d like to). I wasn’t happy when they drafted Price, but in hindsight very glad they didn’t take Gilbert Brule.

          “thoroughbred”

    • Chris says:

      The Habs need help at forward far too much to spend a first round pick on a goalie.

      Good forwards and defencemen are almost always found in rounds 1 or 2, with exceptions for alter rounds.

      Good goalies can be found all over the place. Here are the top 20 goalies in the category of wins, the category that captures the most likely #1 goalies, and their draft position:

      1. Henrik Lundqvist – 7th round, 205th overall
      2. Antti Niemi – undrafted
      3. Niklas Backstrom – undrafted
      4. Marc-Andrew Fleury – 1st round, 1st overall
      5. Evgeni Nabokov – 9th round, 219th overall
      6. Braden Holtby – 4th round, 93rd overall
      7. Sergei Bobrovsky – undrafted
      8. Jimmy Howard – 2nd round, 64th overall
      9. Carey Price – 1st round, 5th overall
      10. Ondrej Pavelec – 2nd round, 41st overall
      11. Corey Crawford – 2nd round, 52nd overall
      12. Tuukka Rask – 1st round, 21st overall
      13. James Reimer – 4th round, 99th overall
      14. Ilya Bryzgalov – 2nd round, 44th overall
      15. Jonathan Quick – 3rd round, 72nd overall
      16. Ray Emery – 4th round, 99th overall
      17. Cory Schneider – 1st round, 26th overall
      18. Ryan Miller – 5th round, 138th overall
      19. Viktor Fasth – undrafted
      20. Jonas Hiller – undrafted

      Obviously a good team in front of a goalie can make them look great. But goalies like Bobrovsky, Fasth, Hiller, Backstrom and Niemi prove that a team with good European scouts can usually find some talented goaltender that wasn’t even drafted.

      Perhaps somebody should take a flyer on last year’s Swedish Elite League goaltending stars: 26 year old Czech Alexander Salak (41 GP, 25-15-0, 7 SO, 1.61 GAA, 0.939 SV%) of Farjestads is 6’3″ and 189 pounds, giving him the size that NHL teams crave, while 24 year old Christian Engstrand (34 GP, 20-12-0, 6 SO, 1.89 GP, 0.935 SV%) is a bit younger but smaller at 6’0″ and 194 pounds.

      In Finland, 24 year old Antti Raanta put up a very nice season (21-10-11, 5 SO, 1.85 GAA, 0.943 SV%), helping Assat Pori win the SM-Liiga championship behind a relatively young line-up, and he has NHL size (6’0″, 188 pounds).

      In the KHL, 24 year old Stanislav Galimov had a nice season (14-6-3, 4 SO, 1.94 GAA, 0.943 SV%) for Moscow Oblast Atlant, and he’s got the right build to be an NHL goalie at 6’2″ and 198 pounds.

      All of these guys are undrafted.

      I think the Canadiens should be in the business of picking a goalie in the later rounds (4th and on) most seasons. You only need one to pan out every few years to make it worthwhile. But spending high picks (1st-3rd) should only be done when you have a crying need or a surplus of picks. I think Montreal has a crying need and a surplus of 2nd round picks, so if they don’t package them to move up in the draft, they should consider drafting a goalie in the second round. There will certainly be some good ones still kicking around.

    • veryhabby says:

      Okay just picked up latest copy of hockey News, draft preview. Fucale is top rated goalie at #25. I don’t think habs use their first pick on a goalie. Comrie, yes the brother, comes at #32, but he is small. Next goalie is At #60 Spencer Martin and #68 Tristan Jarry. That’s it for goalies in the top 100 rankings, yikes!

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  34. RobertAlanFord says:

    Habs are already defense heavy when it comes to prospects so I highly doubt they will go for another. They’ll most likely go for Frederik Gauthier or Mike McCarron, two huge forwards and they will probably be available late in the 1st round. Right about where the Canadiens will be picking.

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    • NL Hab says:

      It is really hard to imagine that Gauthier will be still available at the 24 or 25 spot. Some sites have him listed as late 1st round, but I think he will be gone in the top 15. I would love for him to be there when the Habs pick.

      Et Le But

      • RobertAlanFord says:

        We’ll find out soon enough. There’s always a chance they move up using one of the many 2nd and 3rd round picks. But I think if Gauthier is gone then McCarron is next Imo. At this point big forwards are a necessity and like Bergevin said last draft day, they’re not available so you have to get them in the draft.

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    • veryhabby says:

      Hockey News as Gauthier at #30. Maybe he falls to 2nd round like Colberg did for us last year. I think for the 1st round there should be a few better then him still available at #25.

      Mccarron is huge at 6-5, 228 lbs. Scouts aren’t sure about him. Some say if not that size no one would consider him a 1st rounder. He is an unknown, leaves you wanting more. Other think, maybe he can become a power frwd.

      I still want Rychel or Mantha.

  35. Maritime Ron says:

    One can only imagine if the Habs had a now 33 year old Brad Richards with a Cap Hit of $6,666,667 until 2019-2020, getting benched.
    He’ll be 40 at the end of that contract and there still remains $36M of salary to be paid over that time

    One thing for sure, it would be a great read :-)

    As for Richards’ play, 1 goal and 0 assists in 10 playoff games with a minus 3. Arron Asham has 2 goals playing 6:40/game and making $1M.

    At least if he was doing something else such as winning faceoffs where he is at 47%.
    Ryan Callahan has 53 hits. Richards has 7.
    Ryan Callahan has 21 blocked shots. Richards has 6.

  36. Luke says:

    Re: The Thrower hit:

    Now, I am not sure what to think about it… the comparison to the Eller hit is probably accurate. I didn’t think that warranted a suspension, so I suppose I don’t think this one does either. However, I also think Junior rules reguarding hitting and fighting must be (and are) much mor strict than the NHL’s. So I don’t know what to expect…

    HOWEVER: Watching the Portland coach yelling “Wake the BLEEP up!” While his player is lying unconscious on the ground was kinda funny…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Legal or not legal, the coach is hoping for a penalty and upset his player is hurt.

      That hit would have been considered a classic 5-8 years ago and aside from telling players you can’t throw open ice hits anymore, I’m not sure you can eliminate those type of plays.

      I don’t fault Thrower in the slightest.

    • issie74 says:

      The fact is that coach made those hits every game when he played and every one was a celebration,cmon Travis Green.

      When I saw the hit,I thought he would get 5 minutes but on the replay … I thought Thrower hit him right in the body just below the chin,hard but not dirty.JMO

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  37. My boy Brad said show me the money, I guess he forgot who was in charge of the money.

    Why anyone would want to play for Tootsie is beyond me……oh wait 8 million dollars would do it.

    OK OK really though, what’s the over under on Jaroslav moving this summer to Islanders, Oilers, or Philadelphia?

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  38. Bill says:

    How does the TSN story on last night’s game not have Alfie’s “probably not” quote, but does have the second part about him saying they will play a hell of a game?

    • deggy24 says:

      Hard to know if Alfie was doing the Swedish fatalistic Ingmar Bergman (sic) thing or a bit of psych work on the Pens (overconfidence) so the Sens can steal the next game. The usual thing for a captain to say under these circumstances is “We only have to win one game”.

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    • GrimJim says:

      When I was a reporter, I was taught to not include comments like that if I thought the subject was being sarcastic or ironic or was trying to use me for his own purposes. Plus the story should have gone through an editor prior to being posted, an editor who looks at things with a more corporate slant and if the editor decided that including the probably not would cause people to not tune in game 5, he might remove it to counteract that consequence.

  39. Hobie Hansen says:

    I know all you guys know this already but somehow it got lost during the season this year. I’m just as guilty because I also want results NOW!

    The Canadiens have some very good looking prospects in the organization. We’re just seeing the beginning of our new team with guys like Gallagher, Galchenyuk and to a lesser extent, Tinordi and Beaulieu, starting to help the organization turn the page.

    The above mentioned guys, some more than others, have star potential written allover them.

    And the odds are, a few guys out of Hudon, Kristo, Bozon, Thower, Dietz and Colleberg are going to go onto help the Canadiens.

    Plus we’ve got a bunch of picks in the 1st few rounds this year.

    Hopefully Bergevin can plug some holes until these guys develop into NHL players.

    So just like last season, any success we have next year is a bonus. Maybe Bergevin can sign a UFA and/or make a trade that won’t sacrifice the future that can slightly improve the team.

    But realistically, The Habs are anywhere from 2 to 5 years away from showing their full potential.

  40. Cal says:

    Ever eager to make fun of things,Heeeeeeeere’s Brad!

  41. Bill says:

    @habs-fan-84: I think you have the Richards thing all wrong. Tortorella and Richards are friends. He signed in NY partly to win another Cup with Fonzie. But his play has tailed off so badly that there is no choice but to scratch him. Tortorella called him to tell him not out of disrespect, but so he wouldn’t find out by showing up and seeing the roster chart. He wanted him to know in advance.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Hey Bill,
      No, I’m aware Richards did sign in part because of Torts…but I think it’s very possible the relationship could have soured recently; especially with Richards’ recent 4th line duties. I think it’s quite possible Richards could have popped off out of frustration in the last day or two.

      Of course I’m just speculating though.
      Cheers,

    • Habcouver says:

      Seems like all players and coaches have some friendships and solidarity. Hockey is made to be a drama by the media and yes, us, the objective knowledgeable HIO posters.

      Torts will ultimately get toasted and join the HNIC crew, hopefully replacing PJ!

      Waiting patiently for #25

  42. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Sportfan

    Compensation depends on the RFA contract offered.
    Last year it was this:

    ●$1,110,249 or below – No Compensation
    ●Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 – 3rd round pick
    ●Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 – 2nd round pick
    ●Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 – 1st round pick, 3rd
    ●Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 – 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
    ●Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 – Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
    ●Over $8,410,976 – Four 1st Round Picks

    If the contracts are longer than 5 years, the total compensation is divided by 5, and you have to have your own draft picks and not someone else’s you acquired along the way

  43. Dennis says:

    My wife and I are moving to Montreal this summer where I’ll be working, for awhile at least, at Classic Auctions. I’m hoping to go to one of those HIO summits you guys have, if it’s okay. This move is tremendously exciting for us, and I talked about it this morning here – http://dennis-kane.com/moving-to-montreal/

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  44. habs-fan-84 says:

    Have to think Richards finally had enough and told Tortorella where to go sometime in the last few days…Tortorella responds by scratching him (and informing him via phone call).

  45. pottymonster says:

    Hypocrites Inside/Out?

    Some of you guys have it right and have been consistent: if the hit on Eller was a problem, then the hit by Thrower is a problem. Some of you other guys though…

    I’d say that 10 years ago those were both just hockey hits, now it’s different. Both hits are illegal. If you want to argue that point, you need to realize that the hit on Eller was also legit. You can’t absolve one and then crucify another. Both hits are to the head.

  46. coutNY says:

    Great, Torts sitting Richards in the cheap seats… LA’s probably circling the wagons to pick up next years top liner on the cheap.

    Or maybe Gainey in Dallas, if he’s a bust. ;-)

  47. Sportfan says:

    Torts has to be on his way out soon no?

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  48. Sportfan says:

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Montreal+street+named+former+Expos+catcher+Gary+Carter/8409592/story.html From the recent renaming of Gary-Carter avenue

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  49. twilighthours says:

    The Richards scratch is a pretty big deal. Lost in the story, though, is that Richards isn’t that good of a hockey player.

    • The Jackal says:

      He is NYR’s new Gomez.
      Sometimes big contracts don’t pan out, too many expectations or the players don’t end up being a good fit.
      Look for it to be moved.

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  50. Sportfan says:

    Robyn Regher would be a nice defensive upgrade no?

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  51. habs-fan-84 says:

    Wow, Richards scratched tonight.

    • ont fan says:

      Torts has got to be the lousiest coach. World class players and nothing to show for it and Sather just keeps going.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        agreed, I think Richards is wayyy overpaid and overrated but scratching him on an elimination game is almost unbelievable.

        …I get this feeling the Rangers will win and Tortorella will be hailed as some type of genius for this move…

      • billylove says:

        Not so sure about that “world class players” statement. I don’t think Rangers have that much talent.

        • ont fan says:

          Well let’s look, according to people here, everyone is big, goalie that stands on his head, seem to have the grit, snipers, terrific defense. This is the team we are talking about every day that we want.

        • coutNY says:

          Hard to argue that they at least have not had above average talent, and for me “world class” is not far of a leap. Lundqvist, Nash, Richards and formerly Gaborik have had some pretty impressive accolades over the years; Olympic Golds, Stanley Cups, MVPs, scoring titles, Multiple All-star appearences, World cup invites… All are in the prime of their careers now. I think it takes a special coach to be able to manage the egos is the problem. Time to bring in Phil Jackson :-)

        • issie74 says:

          Tortz shortened his bench and played only two lines … they were out of gas in the second and third period.

          And what is that Power Play?

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  52. TheKarl says:

    Collberg says he will most likely play another season in Frolunda. “I think the plan is for me to play an entire season back home and develop further”

    Magnus Nygren says coming over is 50/50 next season. “It feels really great, really happy Montreal seems to have a plan for me”

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/internationellt/nhl/article16818819.ab

  53. Timo says:

    See… Canucks got rid of their coach after an early playoffs exit. Why can’t the Canadiens?

  54. frontenac1 says:

    Hola amigos! Lousy weather for golf today, so may as well check out some fishing lures and then the Saloon. Getting rid of Hockey Fights?Yeah ,right. Every twenty five years this comes up, like those Quebec referendums and then fades away. Hits to the head? Keep your frikkin head up, and get rid of the Instigator penalty.Shanahan and his funcionaires won”t deliver justice Saludos!

  55. careysubban3176 says:

    We need Gauthier. He is the “big” center the Habs have been looking for in years. At 6’4 and for what scouts say he’s not done growing yet, has the potential to be an all time great. And the best thing about him is he already plays defense like a 10 year veteran. The only thing he needs to work on is his offensive game and that’s it. You can work on that on the fly and there will be no need to send him to the minors for 2-3 years. Bottom line he’s an NHL ready center who already has defensive awareness like Patrice Bergeron and has potential to score 80-90 points a season. I can guarantee you he will be even better than Johnathon Toews

    • Maksimir says:

      I didn’t realize Pierre Gauthier was that tall? Maybe he’ll make a better player than GM?

    • Dust says:

      From what i’ve read he projects to be a poor mans Jordan Stall. No where close to Toews level. If scouts thought he could score 80-90 points in the nhl he would be fighting with the big 3 for 1st overall

  56. Maksimir says:

    Wow… just wow…

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    Brad Richards says he is not playing tonight. He said Tortorella called him this morning to tell him.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      take a shot in the dark who will be getting fired in the off season

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Maybe Tortorella wants out of NY! This would certainly punch his ticket. Do you think they will fire him in between the 2nd and 3rd period tonight?

        • Kooch7800 says:

          LOL that would be interesting but no.

          I think in the off season they will make a change. first he didn’t like Gaborik so he got traded now the new target seems to be Richards. Richards isn’t playing great but his job is to get him going not to sit him in an possible last game of the season

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • The Rangers need to stop trying to by championships ala the NY Yankees (though even that team has some toxic players) and start trying to build a team though the draft and smart FA moves. That sort of philosophy will never work in the NHL. Not only because of the cap, but also because it take time to build chemistry and find timing on the ice because the game is always in motion. It’s much easier to plug players into a system in baseball.

          • Cal says:

            Brad Richards was a dumber-than-dirt UFA signing and should serve as a warning to all GMs. And folks here think the Gomez contract was bad. Check it out at: http://capgeek.com/player/690

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Cal the Nash contract isn’t so hot either. If they didn’t fleece Montreal For McD they would be in a lot worse shape. He is one of their best D. That was a huge boner move by habs managment.

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • von says:

      Couldn’t even wait to tell him in person eh… Wow.

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      • Maksimir says:

        NYR – the graveyard of UFA’s… how many big signings have they had in the past decade just to see the player whither and slink out of town?

    • Propwash says:

      I smell a sweep.

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  57. Sportfan says:

    I know he’s no the best but would John Scott be a bad edition to the team? He can play the wing and be D-man

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  58. Price07 says:

    Habs should go after Wheeler who is an RFA this summer

    • Maritime Ron says:

      The RFA game is a dangerous one to play.
      So we sign an offer sheet.
      Then Winnipeg matches.
      Nothing gained except putting a bulls eye on ourselves when our RFAs come due.
      No one too significant this summer, but potentially summer 2014 has PK and Eller.
      Summer of 2015 has potentially Galchenyuk-Gallagher-Beaulieu-Tinordi.

      A highball unwarranted long term offer could be made FORCING the Habs to match.
      Remember Kevin Lowe and 7 year/$50M Offer sheet to Vanek back in 2007 that the Sabres had to match?
      Matching can throw off a team’s salary cap planning

    • Sportfan says:

      I’m not a fan of going after RFA and what is his value what pick would we lose for Wheeler?

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  59. Kooch7800 says:

    Did anyone else hear on the CBC last night that Don Fehr is looking at banning fighting from NHL hockey and that topic was very high in the last CBA discussions and they want to get it out of the game.

    It was crazy to watch cause right after they are talking about taking it out of hockey then a UFC commercial comes on…it was quite ironic

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  60. russ2445 says:

    I guess I was watching a different game than most people. The hit by Thrower wasn’t dirty. Yes he was hit on the head but the hit wasn’t aimed for the head. It was just a hit that’s all it was. The smile was much, I’ve seen a lot worse. Get a guy to pick on and that’s all we hear about.
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  61. Strummer says:

    Pens smoked the Sens last night but realistically if Alfie hadn’t tipped in a shortie ( 1 in a million chance) in the last minute of game 3, this series is over in a sweep.

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Excellent point. When Pittsburgh made the change at goalie it seemed to awaken them. They are the team to beat.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        First time in my life I’m cheering for Detroit. Wouldn’t mind San Jose taking it. It’s the underdog thing. Anybody But Bruins next. Then I have a huge disdain for Mike Richards. On that positive note, cheers!

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • ont fan says:

          Not Detroit. The fans are intolerable enough down hear. Most people left the Leaf fans alone after their unbelieable collapse, but not the Wing fans. They seem to have forgotten 60’s 70’s 80’s and most of the 90’s.

  62. Habfan10912 says:

    For those that have not seen it, here is Thrower’s hit from last night.

    http://www.hockeytube.net/2013/05/22/thrower-hit-knocks-out-leier-at-memorial-cup-5-22-2013/

  63. adamkennelly says:

    I am not sure it was said to the media…but I saw the comment as well on twitter…

  64. Hobie Hansen says:

    Probably mentioned somewhere below, but what a hit by Dalton Thrower in the tournament last night!

    Hope the other player ends up being OK!

    • New says:

      Result was not nice but despite what people say, I think it was clean.

      Sportsnet is what it is, but Thrower had Leier funneled to the boards and he tried to do a Crosby but didn’t have room, or the skill. The target was the chest, the principle point of contact the chest, and it would have been shoulder to shoulder except Leier tried to get fancy.

  65. arcosenate says:

    Ah, I have never seen a sadder walrus in my life, no player number whatever, no smart ass nothin':

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=423794

    • Marc10 says:

      Sad walrus… But still bug-eyed and unbowed.

      Let’s see what the great coach does now that his best D man is a complete headless chicken out there, his tough guy has been neutered and his henchman de service is out.

      Oh I know… Go with Anderson and pray the slow D somehow gets to the second and third shots…

      The Pens could conceivably put 10 into them in the next game. Man, I hope so…

    • B says:

      Maclean used to be so chatty and smug, now he doesn’t have as much to say :(

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • The Jackal says:

        I respected him a lot until he made those comments re. the Habs.
        Now I am looking forward to him eating his words.

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    • New says:

      He will likely be working with Gryba on faceoffs. Then he can bring Gryba in as a center against that guy, 87?, who knows his name, and hope the series doesn’t turn on an unfortunate injury.

  66. During the first Round, Anderson was 2014 Team USA’s goalie, now he’s not good enough to be their stick boy.

    Price in Jan, Feb, and March was 2014 Team Canada’s goalie, up for the Vezina, and today some (cough cough) fans are trading him.

    I will never understand fans.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Shane you know I am big supporter of Price, but just as you say Anderson has dropped off, so did Price’s play at the end of the season. He does need to be better next year, and I am confident he will be.

      • mrhabby says:

        Anderson would like to have 2 goals back that he should have had. The rest of the goals he had no chance on a result of turnovers , defense breakdowns, shoody play down low. How can you say Andersons play has dropped off.

      • JF says:

        Last night Anderson did not look any better than Price did in the game we were blown out (Game 3) or in some of the late-season blowouts. The Senators’ defence was out-skated, out of position, and running around all game – just as the Habs’ defence was in the games I mentioned. Any goaltender is going to look bad when his defence leaves him exposed time after time. And any goaltender in this situation is going to start losing his confidence. Price was not playing well, but I think more of it had to do with his defence than a lot of people are willing to acknowledge.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Agree, but time and time again we are told Price is the issue, and that when other teams great goalies let in goals it is their teams fault and not the goalie. The cherry picking here is unbelievable at times.

          That being said, Price does need to pick it up next season, just as his teammates do, just as MT needs to, and perhaps most importantly just as MB needs to in providing the bodies required.

          • mrhabby says:

            how true..shoody defense tells it all.

            ps..price did let a few softies in..he has to pick it.

      • My point is some fans change their opinion daily on a headline and it’s funny.

        Carey Price is still the same goalie he was in Jan-April.

        Price, knows he has to be better, we know he has to be better, and the team knows….the Habs aren’t moving him based on three weeks play :lol:

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Fans are fickle and change direction like a weather vane especially for goalies, quarterbacks and pitchers. Just the way it is. I do happen to agree with our friend Burly though. Price needs to play better and I hope he does. Otherwise like Prop says, we’re doooooooomed.
      CHeers bud.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        QB is only as good as his offensive line and a balanced running game.

        Goalie is only as good as the team in front of him.

        In my opinion Dan Marino is as good a QB as has ever played the game, but a complete lack of running game left his game very predictable, not to mention a defence which was suspect.

        Price can be a great goalie, the team needs to improve, and along the way he can’t have stretches like he did to close the season out.

  67. commandant says:

    Anthony Duclair, a speedster with the Quebec Remparts

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/23/anthony-duclair-2013-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-42/

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  68. commandant says:

    So Alfredson tells the media that Ottawa can’t come back from 3-1 in the series.

    Thats leadership folks.

    Mark Messier award nominee

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    • oh I am gonna need a link on that :lol:

      I don’t think I ever heard a Captain say anything like that in my life.

      Time to surf the net.

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    • New says:

      Geez…that’s something a rookie says and the Captain tells him he’s wrong, that they can, that others have. Never liked the diver anyway but never expected that.

    • Chris says:

      Well, let’s see if he plays like a dejected player in Game 5.

      If he comes out and works his rear end off, I have no problem whatsoever with his comment. It is honest.

      Stick a microphone in my face after my team was just completely embarassed for two periods and I’m probably even more pessimistic than Alfredsson. But I’m also able to separate words from actions.

      I’ve had numerous games in various sports where I **knew** my team was almost certainly not going to win. That never stopped me from working my tail off from start to finish trying to avoid the inevitable. I suspect the majority of professional athletes are the same. They can say one thing, but in the game, they will either work hard because it is in their personality to not quit, or they won’t.

      The Montreal Canadiens said all the right things before their own Game 5 and then came out and layed an absolute egg on home ice after the Senators weathered the first period. They quit.

      If Alfredsson quits in Game 5, then I will join in the pillorying. I’m more interested in how guys act in the game than what they say minutes after a pretty devastating loss.

      • The Jackal says:

        Late to the party here but I have to disagree strongly with your claim that the Habs quit.

        The Habs did NOT quit.
        They put the effort in but did not get results, that is different than quitting.
        When refs and bounces go the other way, no matter how hard you play, that is something that can’t be helped by effort, it is extraneous to a team’s play.
        The Habs never quit.

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  69. commandant says:

    @UCE

    I’ve been saying for Months that Jones isn’t physical. Somehow because of his size, and because his dad was a physical, gritty, all elbows basketball player there is this myth that Seth Jones is the new Chris Pronger. Don’t get me wrong, kid is uber talented as an offensive D, and with his size and skating he is a great prospect. He’s just not a hitter.

    I keep seeing a better version of Jay Bouwmeester, and not Chris Pronger.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’ve read your updates, and others as well, and I guess I didn’t want to believe them. Last summer everyone was ravin’ ’bout McKinnon, but I was jonesing for Seth. I played defence, tend to watch them more than forwards, and I was intrigued by a kid that big with great bloodlines, wondered what he could do.

      Seeing him play, he’s silky smooth, headsy, good with the puck, but not much physical play, and it’s a little surprising, despite all the reports. Maybe being so big, having that big a reach, and skill with his stick, that’s how he learned how to play, to strip the puck off others and then play keepaway. He never had to crash and bang, he’s good enough to actually play the puck.

      We see this as a flaw, but maybe it’ll help in terms of his longevity, his durability, like it has with Jay Bouwmeesteer.

  70. commandant says:

    Any word on Thrower, possible suspension?

    Saskatoon plays the elimination tie-breaker vs London tonight.

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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      No penalty on the play, Thrower was just trying to stand up a guy at the blue line.

      If that’s a suspension the CHL and NHL should just go the extra step and say there’s no hitting at center ice or the blue line anymore, to avoid confusion.

      • punkster says:

        Leier was 3 strides over the blue line and almost even with the top of the circle when hit. Thrower’s elbow came up pretty high but whether it actually caught Leier in the chin I can’t tell from the replay but Thrower’s shoulder did connect with Leier’s chin and it wasn’t accidental.

        I have no idea if it’s a suspension.

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        • Hobie Hansen says:

          He raised his shoulder and tried to bury it in the guy’s chest. If it hits part of the chin…too bad. IMO.

          It is very difficult to pinpoint exactly where you’re going to hit a guy to the square inch. If the league doesn’t want that play to ever happen, take open ice hitting out of the game.

          It’s one or the other!

          • punkster says:

            You could interpret it as trying to hit Leier’s chest and hitting his chin by mistake or I could interpret it as trying to target Lerier’s head. Nobody but Thrower can tell us his intent. Either way I think the shoulder may have contacted the chin and that’s the main issue.

            Does that constitute a hit to the head, whether intentional or not? Is a hit to the head a penalty or suspension, whether intentional or not?

            Maybe that play, the one that results in a hit to the head whether intentional or not, should be penalized.

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          • Hobie Hansen says:

            As you’re describing, it’s really impossible to tell, and I agree.

            What if Thrower were 6’4″ and his shoulder lined up perfectly with the guy’s head?

            Are guys who are 5″11 allowed to try and smoke a player who’s the same height but guys who are taller can’t because their shoulder will lineup with the other guy’s chin?

          • punkster says:

            Yes, player size can have an impact in more ways than one…big guys can’t hit small guys the same way they hit big guys. I guess that’s part of the overall issue.

            Maybe it is as simple as “it’s one or the other” and the decision by the PA and the league may well be to take it out of the game entirely. Much the way they may decide to take fighting out.

            If they do consider either avenue I suspect it will come down to money…will the game become more attractive to a wider range of fans, will they dodge existing and future lawsuit bullets, etc.

            I doubt any decision will be made based on the potential health hazards…the league has shown little interest in that aspect.

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          • Hobie Hansen says:

            You know, I’d be fine with both being taken out of the game but until then, I want as many guys who can hit and fight like Thrower in our organization.

  71. Lafleurguy says:

    Thanks to Normand, I now know that since the Habs got Doug Wickenheiser first overall, their highest draftpicks have been Alex Galchenyuk third overall, Carey Price fifth overall, and Mike Komisarek seventh overall.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  72. Un Canadien errant says:

    The Canadiens, sadly, are already preparing for next season, instead of keeping busy slaying Bruins. Not an exciting time for most fans, except that this is the season that a lot of the work that makes a franchise successful is done.

    The first order of business is to sew up the players the Canadiens presently own the rights to but who must be signed to a contract before these right expire. General Manager Marc Bergevin has already started this process by giving a contract to Magnus Nygren and Sebastian Collberg.

    The former was drafted in the fourth round in 2011 and had two strong seasons in the Elitserien in Sweden, winning the Borje Salming Trophy this season, awarded to the best defenceman in the league. The scouting report and highlights on the web show a guy with decent size who can play physically, but whose strength is on the offensive side of the ledger. He has a booming shot on the powerplay, and shoots right, so he’s a welcome addition to the organization. Where he’ll end up next year, whether in Sweden for another season, or in Hamilton to acclimatize to the North American game, is not clear yet.

    Sebastian Collberg was drafted last season early in the second round, so his rights didn’t expire this June, contrary to his countryman, but Mr. Bergevin evidently figured there was no point in waiting. The scouting reports describe a very talented scoring winger, with lots of speed and a wicked shot. He shoots right but reportedly can play either wing. He will need to get bigger and stronger, as most young players do, and will probably stay with Frolunda next season, where the head coach Roger Rönnberg is also Sweden’s National Junior Team coach, for which Mr. Collberg is expected to play next December.

    The other players who the Canadiens must make a decision on are Kyle Klubertanz, Daniel Prybil, Dustin Walsh and Olivier Archambault. The first player is only on the books in the technical sense, since he has played in the Finnish League for years, and the organization has no designs on him. His rights will expires on June 1.

    Daniel Prybil is a tantalizing prospect in that he combines size, being listed by the Canadiens at 6’4″ and 194 lbs, with a long reach, and playmaking and scoring ability. So far, he’s not wowed anyone with his production, he’s mostly a young prospect with potential, but the Canadiens should be patient with such a player. At 20 years old, knowing how big players often take time to grow into their bodies, and taking into account that he plays against grown men, he should be given an entry deal and allowed to mature and realize his potential. He’ll eventually need to come over to North America, but the team can determine if he’ll be better served by playing another season in the Czech Extraliga.

    As far as the other two players are concerned, this is where the business side of hockey dictates that the Canadiens shouldn’t offer them a contract. Long gone are the days when an NHL team could own a vast system of junior and senior teams and have an endless supply of players vying for a spot on the Grand Club. To promote parity, as well as to avoid situations where players are stuck in one organization with no chance to crack the big leagues, a number of rules were enacted by the League to limit how many players any team could have control over.

    One rule limits each team to a maximum of 90 players they own the rights to, signed to a contract or not. Further, each team is limited to 50 players under contract at any time. (click on link for more info http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=430807 ) While that may seem a generous number, when one considers that an NHL team usually has 25 players on its roster, if allowing for a couple of injured players, and a farm team with an equivalent number, and we see that this maximum number is easily reached. To allow for this, teams will usually have a number of players on their AHL ‘farm’ team on AHL-only contracts, which don’t count against this limit.

    In any case, it’s important to understand that these 50 roster spots are precious, not to be squandered on players who have a low probability of ever making the NHL. And this brings us to Messrs. Walsh and Archambault.

    Dustin Walsh was drafted in the 6th round in 2009, and then played four years of NCAA hockey at Dartmouth. In that time, he battled injury and didn’t produce much offensively. The scouting reports show that he has size and skill, but he hasn’t developed into a player who projects to play in the NHL. At 22, it’s debatable how much upside he still has. If anything, he might be a good candidate for an AHL contract, but I doubt he merits an NHL entry-level deal.

    Olivier Archambault is a player who showed great talent, being the #1 overall pick in the LHJMQ draft in 2009 by the Val d’Or Foreurs. He seemed promised to a great career, but his development stalled in many respects. He measured 5’10” at the time, but has only grown one inch since then, and remains relatively slight physically. His work habits on and off the ice are inconsistent, as well as his offensive production. More worrisome, he clashed with his coach and teammates in Val d’Or, to the point where he was traded before the NHL draft to Drummondville.

    The Canadiens took a chance on him in the fourth round of the 2011 draft (ahead of Messrs. Nygren and Prybil), but to all appearances it has not panned out. His two seasons in Drummondville have not shown much improvement, his offensive numbers being flat instead of increasing. Once the Drummondville Voltigeurs’ season was done this April, he was signed to an Amateur Tryout Contract to finish out the Bulldogs’ season. In ten games, he tallied a goal and an assist, and the reports from Hamilton were not encouraging.

    Mr. Archambault also would seem to be a poor fit within the team concept promoted by Marc Bergevin and Michel Therrien. He comes across as petulant and arrogant, and has a reputation for being moody and hard to coach. Further, the attributes he brings to the table are those the Canadiens’ organization already has an excess of. Smaller, skilled players who are offensively talented but might not thrive in a physical playoff series abound in the system. Charles Hudon, for example, roughly fits the same profile as Mr. Archambault, and is more than a year younger, yet received glowing reviews for his showing in Hamilton, having also finished the season there. Does the team have room for more of these types of players? If we choose one, which one do we go with, the player who represents Canada internationally on the World Junior Team, or the one who battles with coaches and teammates?

    It’s an easy call. If anything at all, Mr. Archambault should receive an AHL contract, nothing more. In fact, there’s a rumour that the Canadiens have already made such an offer, but he’s balking at it, not wanting to battle it out in the ECHL and AHL to eventually earn an NHL contract. Which is not encouraging.

    If there were no roster or contract limits, the Canadiens could afford, certainly, to sign all their draft picks and hope they deliver, but since that’s not the case, and since contract slots are valuable, let’s offer one to Daniel Prybil, but not to Dustin Walsh, and especially not to Olivier Archambault.

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