Rick Dudley joins Canadiens front office, with audio

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As expected, veteran executive Rick Dudley has joined the Canadiens as an assistant to general manager Marc Bergevin.
Dudley, most recently one of Brian Burke’s battalion of execs in Toronto, is respected around the NHL and reputed to have an encyclopedic knowledge of hockey players at every level, everywhere.
The Canadiens also extended the contract of Larry Carrière.

AUDIO: Marc Bergevin – Rick Dudley teleconference (English begins 4 minutes in)

“There’s work to be done in Montreal, I think everybody knows that,” Dudley said. But he believes the Canadiens have some crucial elements – Dudley mentioned goaltending and defence – in place.

“When I was in Tampa Bay, we had maybe three players who could play in gthe NHL at any level,” Dudley said, recalling his 1999-’02 term as Lightning GM. “It’s not like that with the Canadiens.”

Bergevin, who began his off-ice career as a scout in the Blackhawks organization, said Dudley, Dale and Stan Bowman taught him “how to watch games”, how to evaluate players and how to maintain good relations with other executives around the league.

Dudley, who retired as a player in 1982, has coached in four different leagues and served as general manager in Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Florida and Atlanta. His title in Toronto was Director of Player Personnel.

Bergevin and Toronto general manager Brian Burke have made a gentleman’s agreement specifying Dudley, who has intimate knowledge of the Leafs’ plans, heading into the June draft, will not participate in the Canadiens’ draft deliberations.

When rumours first surfaced linking Dudley, a longtime friend of Bergevin, with a move to Montreal, a source told the Globe & Mail’s James Mirtle: “Toronto would be nuts to let him go. Dudley is a genius. If Dudley comes (to Montreal) he’s the de facto GM.”

The team announcement:

Montreal Canadiens executive vice president and general manager, Marc Bergevin, announced today the appointment of Rick Dudley to the position of assistant general manager. The Canadiens also announced a contract extension for Larry Carrière to remain assistant general manager.

Rick Dudley brings more than 40 years of experience in professional hockey, including the last two decades as a senior executive with various NHL organizations. Before joining the Canadiens, Dudley worked extensively in various managerial capacities with the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Atlanta Thrashers, the Chicago Blackhawks, the Florida Panthers, the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Ottawa Senators.

“Rick Dudley is a very knowledgeable and proficient hockey executive and we are pleased to welcome him in our organization in the position of assistant general manager. Rick has been actively involved at the management level in the NHL for many years and is one of the league’s most respected executives. An outstanding talent evaluator, he has extensive experience as a scout. The success he enjoyed at all levels throughout his career speaks volume of his expertise. We are thrilled to have both Rick and Larry Carrière as assistant general managers for several seasons to come,” said Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin.

Dudley, 63, held the title of Director, Player Personnel with the Toronto Maple Leafs in 2011-12. Prior to joining the Leafs, he was with the Atlanta Thrashers from 2009 to 2011, beginning as associate general manager before being promoted to general manager, holding that position until the franchise moved to Winnipeg. From 2004 to 2009, Dudley worked with the Chicago Blackhawks serving as the team’s assistant general manager for the last three seasons after starting off as hockey consultant. In Chicago, his work was conducive to the Hawks’ first Stanley Cup win in 48 years. Dudley previously served as the general manager of the Florida Panthers for two seasons from 2002 to 2004. From 1999 to 2002, he was the Tampa Bay Lightning’s general manager and played a significant role in building this team for the 2004 Stanley Cup win. Prior to joining the Lightning, he held the position of general manager of the Ottawa Senators in 1998-1999, taking the team to the top of their division for the first time in franchise history.

A Toronto native, Rick Dudley spent four highly successful seasons with the IHL Detroit Vipers taking the team to the Turner Cup in 1997. Throughout his career as general manager, he has been to the finals eight times in three different leagues (IHL, AHL, ECHL) and has won four championships. Prior to embarking on a managerial career, Dudley spent seven seasons as a player in the NHL with the Buffalo Sabres and Winnipeg Jets, where he was one of only three players in the NHL to wear number 99. He also played 270 games in the World Hockey Association where he also tallied two consecutive 40-goal seasons.

Larry Carrière joined the Canadiens organization as assistant general manager on July 16, 2010. He served as an assistant coach by interim for part of the 2011-12 season before returning to his duties of assistant general manager before the end of the regular season. Larry Carrière brings more than 30 years of experience in professional hockey and held several front office positions with the Buffalo Sabres and the Washington Capitals organizations.

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  1. Un Canadien errant says:

    So the Canadiens finally bring over Rick Dudley from the Toronto Maple Leafs, the hold up being tied to language regarding his non-compete clause which apparently states he will not divulge draft info gathered while working with the Leafs. Some argue that there would be little advantage in that since the Canadiens are picking before the Leafs in most rounds, and especially in the first where we pick 3rd and the Leafs have the fifth pick.

    I disagree with this view. I think the Canadiens would benefit massively from sharing info with Mr. Dudley, and I think it is fair that this agreement has been reached. Mr. Dudley got this information from scouts working for the Leafs organization, and it wouldn’t be fair for the Canadiens to benefit from it. In a number of industries, when an executive gets hired by a competitor, such non-compete clauses specify what areas are off-limits to discuss and within what timeframes.

    As far as the benefit the Canadiens would receive from comparing info, I think the clear advantage would be in the later rounds. Some outstanding Canadiens picks in very recent years such as Morgan Ellis, Brendan Gallagher and Darren Dietz now seem inspired. Colin Sullivan gathered a little bit of ink lately for a seventh rounder, he was a kid with little to draw attention except his size and skating ability, but now that seventh round choice is looking good, in that he is developing nicely and is headed in the right direction. These players were probably scouted once or twice, and background checks done as well as interviews, and on this basis they were selected when still available in the later rounds, due to whatever factors. These selections are not quite hunches, but they’re not as researched as the likely candidates in the first and second round were.

    With this in mind, imagine that Trevor Timmins and his staff have quite a few dark horses that, due to less than ideal size, or injuries, or a late birthday, or poor linemates on a horrible team, or an experienced goalie ahead of a potential draftee on the depth chart soaking up all the starts, have not had a chance to shine and shoot up the rankings. The Canadiens scouts hope to grab them in the later rounds. These guys will have been scouted as I’ve said before only a couple of times, but the backgrounders and interviews will confirm what they showed on the ice and we’ll get an organizational, let’s say, tumescence for them.

    So let’s say Mr. Timmins and his team have 10 dark horses. If he was able to pick Rick Dudley’s brain and run these names past him, and finds out that he also absolutely loves 8 of them and completely agrees that they are diamonds in the rough. One thing that does is it validates your scouting and your hunches. Another is that it alerts you to the fact that other teams see what you see in these dark horses, and maybe you need to revise your board and create a Top 8 dark horses and leave the other two for free agent tryout contracts. Also, maybe Mr. Dudley has info from an uncle or neighbour that the shifty small but very talented forward you’re considering in the fourth round is undoubtedly the giant dick and pain in the butt that everyone says he is, so maybe you wait until the fifth or sixth for him. As we should have done last year.

    So I have no doubt that the Canadiens would derive an advantage from being able to copy from the Leafs exam sheet, and being able to consequently change a couple of answers. I fully understand Toronto’s reluctance to allow Mr. Dudley to join the Canadiens prior to the draft.

    In general, his joining our staff is good news. We saw what happens when a lone wolf GM tries to do everything by himself and micromanage every facet of the team. The results are apparent by analyzing recent roster moves, and by the tone of comments from players such as Jaroslav Spacek. Instead of that approach, Marc Bergevin is confident enough to surround himself with smart hockey guys, that’s great news. It allays the fear some might have had in a rookie GM being faced with such a monumental task. Mr. Dudley along with Larry Carrière is a good brain trust with vast experience to support him.

    As I’ve stated before, we now must also attend to the succession plan, and be ready when another team raids our front office for talent, or people decide to leave for whatever reasons. We have to have personnel ready to assume higher positions in the organization when someone at the top moves on. We have to have people in the front office learning the ropes and being groomed to succeed when an opportunity arises, either in Montréal or elsewhere. It won’t hurt us to have five or ten people who were groomed at the University of the New Forum working in other organizations. They’ll be good contacts to have, and a pool of candidates to draw from when we have openings as well.

    Having lots of hands on deck will allow more coverage, more support for our prospects. We shouldn’t hear stories any longer like Ryan McDonagh’s, when he explained that before the trade in June 2009, he was looking forward to attending the Canadiens development camp since he hadn’t heard from anyone in the organization in a long time and was wondering what they expected from him. We should have a staff of people keeping in regular contact with our prospects and visiting with them and giving any support they need. We can do that if we have staff on hand to allocate this area to.

    To fill these junior roles, I am partial to former Habs who wore the bleu blanc rouge with pride and honour. I nominate Vincent Damphousse and Hal Gill, off the top of my head.

    Vincent had to remove himself from consideration for the head job due to family commitments. Most people know he’s going through a divorce right now, and the prospect of the travel involved in the job was not feasible in his mind, he needs to be a stay at home dad. He may be amenable to a junior role though, one that allows him to mostly stay in Montréal. As his boys get older and he has that situation under control, he can start to assume more responsibility.

    As far as Hal Gill goes, I’m not sure if he’s ready for retirement from active duty, he may be able to get a contract to play somewhere, but if he wants a job with us, let’s give him one. He seems to like Montréal, his family does as well and they stayed here when he was traded to Nashville. He’s shown calm and leadership in his time here, and we’ve been able to overlook his Leaf and Bruin antecedents and have grown to love the guy. He’s funny, he’s smart, he commands attention, let’s get this guy working with our prospects on the ice, let’s give him an office upstairs, let’s find out what he likes to do and what he’s good at, and harness the potential of that guy.

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    • The Gonk says:

      Good thoughts on why the Leafs would have an issue and the
      Dudley input at this moment would be extremely valuable. I now have read 3 articles saying Scott Mellanby is next to join. In what capacity? Perhaps in the way you say Vinny or Hal would be a good fit. Anyway nice to see positive moves and having the IQ pool expanded.

      • nunacanadien says:

        It is extremely distressing to see the Habs put together piecemeal and not by Bergevin! The Habs Ownership Committee is making the same mistakes over and over again! Might as well buy out TSN and make them the official excuse maker for why the Habs never have a real GM, or a real Coach, or a real Director of hockey, cause the whole organization is run by a committee that knows nothing about hockey!

  2. gmur says:

    Gionta and Markov were injured most of last season. If they stay healthy and have solid seasons, nobody on this site will be talking about trading them come next February. Similarly, Plekanec had a bad season. If he also has a solid season, we’ll be fine. I would try to add 4 or 5 players: a veteran defenceman (I like Cory Sarich) and a big winger (resign Moen, add Parise, maybe Shawn Thornton too) and a center (Langkow, Gaustaud, Chris Kelly, or Stoll), and that’s it.

    Lots of things could go wrong, but if things go right and players stay healthy, have decent seasons and play as a team, the Habs will have a good season and make the playoffs next year.

    Get rid of Gomez (am I the only one surprised he’s still with the team?) Get rid of Bourque early next season if he plays like last year… send him the the AHL Personally, I would keep Kaberle and use him mostly on the PP. I find him good when we’re up a man.

    • Max_a_million says:

      to be fair Plekanek generally had to play with whatever garbage was left behind for him to play with, and did fairly well considering. Not stellar, but considering.

  3. Max_a_million says:

    I think people get confused on here. Free agents go for the most money and term. It’s nice if the place is a nice place to be, and you might talk them into taking a little less if there are no taxes like Florida. At the end of the day professional hockey careers are short, and they have to follow the money. You and I would certainly do the the same thing in the same circumstances. This is the number one way teams show love for players.

    • commandant says:

      Money and Term matter, but when they are equal, or so close that the difference between the two is neglible, the UFA will want a nice town, a place his wife approves of, good schools for the kids, less media and fan pressure, a contending team or some other factor that will be important to that player and break the tie. Each player is different about how they rank those factors too.

      Sure in the case of an Erik Cole where you give an extra year over Carolina he follows the money,

      But what about Briere, where Montreal offered slightly (but not much) more than Philly. Or Ryan Smyth, or Brendan Shananhan, or Patrick Elias, or Marian Hossa, all of whom turned us down and we offered the same amount of money and term (or even just slightly above) the teams they signed with.

      Sure if you overpay you can get anyone, but overpaying causes its only problems too.

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      • Max_a_million says:

        Taxes hurt Quebec, and yes you are right when it’s close or a tie other factors will come into play. So if it’s close for Briere, and taxes are lower in the states, and he can be a much bigger French star playing away from the fishbowl watching his every faux pas every night sure.

        Generally I don’t think players care who is paying them as long as the cheques are good. Free agents will come here, we just have to pay them. Free agents would have still come for PG too, if we paid them to.

        • ont fan says:

          At 27 years old a player is going where he thinks he can win for the next few years. Everybody is going to give them the money,regardless. Players go home in the twilight of their careers.You will get top free agents, when a player can walk down the street like a god, not garbage, because they can’t win.Would you like to be Gomez or Kaberle in this town? How about their families? In Montreal or TO, players really don’t believe either team is even close.

        • commandant says:

          Yeah you can get anyone if you over pay for them…. but thats not always the wisest move with the salary cap.

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    • chelseafan says:

      Any connection with Dudley and Nash? Our pick and Weber for Nash. Also, I find the second pick could be the gem. Maybe a Faska, de Guiseppe, Zharkov or Athanasiou.

    • twilighthours says:

      I’m no hockey insider but my one (albeit excellent) NHL connection tells me that, for most guys, it’s just a job. And if you were doing a job, you’d probably want to do it in a nice, comfortable city. Someplace nice and warm, where no one is hassling you at the grocery store.

      Most of these guys would rather play in the US. Preferrably somewhere south.

  4. pmaraw says:

    pretty excited for this game tonight, memorial cup that is. hard to pick but i think i’ll cheer for shawinigan, 2 guys instead of 1 and underdogs.

  5. 24 Cups says:

    There will be lots of talk about goaltending tonight but for me it’s all about Gaborik and Richards. They earn a combined $19.5M this year so it’s theri responsibility to step up big time.

    • The Cat says:

      The rangers must be tired from the 2 previous series as well, DelZotto might be on a short leash, NJ forwards got to pound that defense unrelentlessly and they should punch their ticket to the finals.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Del Zotto is from my home town of Stouffville and may be in a bit over his head right now. Reminds me of Subban. Too much, too soon.

        • punkster says:

          I hope new management changes that philosophy. All well and fine to select good picks but there are very few in any draft season who have what it takes to make the jump early.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  6. H.Upmann says:

    Man you guys… Relax. Tom Nickle, myself, your aunt, PG, jM, can all post here in any tone they wish. ;) it’s a free to the public

  7. twilighthours says:

    Memo to Tom Nickle:

    You are a valuable poster who has some hockey knowledge. You provide insight. Your posts are often informative.

    However, your manner of communicating sometimes leaves something to be desired, and can sometimes come off as pompous, arrogant, belittling… It’s an undesirable trait. The last poster we had around here that was like this was berkshire. And few of us want another Berkshire.

    Man, seriously. Your stuff is good. But tone it down with the tone.

    That’s my opinion, which isn’t even worth the virtual ink used to write it. But it’s still my 2 cents. Do with it what you will.

    • The Cat says:

      Maybe he is those things when in self defense?

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Max_a_million says:

      His post can be quite good. I always hope we can get him to tone down a little, but he resists.

      • ont fan says:

        Tom looks to the future with this team. To him, the future is trading veteran assets ,like Plex, not because he isn’t productive, when they can get the biggest return now. Other posters seem to think he is letting vets go for a broken hockey stick. It’s frustrating to him and me actually. Yes his tone gets abrasive but people love to spar with him.

  8. jols101 says:

    Did anyone film this Press Conference? Looked on the TSN site and can’t find it. Just wondering. If someone could steer me in the right direction that would be great. Tx.

  9. Ali says:

    whoever that idiot was on the line with the crowd in the background should look up the word professionalism. There’s a mute button on every phone, use it!

  10. Bigdawg says:

    I’d like to see them hire a couple of famous ex players with a good reputation and charisma and a winning attitude. Russians or Europeans with multi-lingual skills. One for MTL and one for Hamilton to assist the coach/GM and help integrate our overseas prospects into MTL Canadians culture.

    This will help them get on the same page as the other players and hopefully result in quicker and more successful player development.

    • Bigdawg says:

      like a Jari Kurri, Igo Larionnov, Kozlov (if he retires) or even Fetisov. Pay them big money (million or more) and get them to come. Its not like we are suffering for cash.

  11. Sir.Plekers says:

    Next question will be whos going to be the bench boss.Any news on candidates???

    SIR PLEKERS

  12. Bripro says:

    This year moving forward, what I find most encouraging is the direction the team is taking in structural rebuilding.
    I didn’t listen to the entire audio (gotta go….poker night), but what I got from Bergevin is that, although he won’t admit it, he has started (or will very soon) to assign assign specific responsibilities based on experience.
    And he says he’s not finished.
    I’m hoping for smooth contract negotiations, an in-depth rebuilding of the local scouting program, and a general re-energizing of the team.
    You might consider it as blind optimism, but I don’t think it is. It really looks like GM has taken a step back, decided which direction the team should go, and with Bergevin at the helm, I think the compass is pointing in the right direction.
    Now, bring on the draft!

    • JF says:

      Completely agree. I haven’t felt this good about the Habs since at least the playoff run two years ago. In Marc Bergevin, I think Molson and Savard chose the best possible candidate. I love everything I’ve heard about him. Rick Dudley is another very solid hiring, and Bergevin has also started expanding our scouting department.

      Independently of what happens on the ice next season, I think the most important task for Bergevin right now is to restructure and revitalize the organization at every level. In all the areas not subject to the cap, the Habs can spend what they want; they should aim to have the best management team, the best scouting team, the best player development team in the league. Under Gainey and Gauthier, there seems to have been little more than a skeleton staff in these areas; I’m hoping Bergevin will add many new faces.

      Also, since the firing of Gauthier and Gainey, my confidence in Geoff Molson has grown. I was not impressed by his role (or lack thereof) in the hiring of Randy Cunneyworth; it would have been so easy to defuse language criticism beforehand. But I loved the way he introduced Marc Bergevin at the press conference: “Ceci est la première étape dans la construction d’une équipe gagnante.” Just words, but they rang with conviction and passion. Right now, my optimism is unbounded.

      • nunacanadien says:

        I find it extremely distressing that we are still being told who is doing what and not by the GM! Instead the habs are still sabotaging their own team! Yes, the Habs Ownership Committee to Ruin the Habs are continuing their sad tale of mixing and matching bits and pieces of washed up used otherwise useless hockey management who have no prior real experience, and who used to know hockey players about ten decades ago and who have become nothing but three piece suits. Since when has any Hab owner, GM or coach actually worked up a sweat, ever actually played hockey even? Go ahead name their trophies from when they were kids, but really, when the push comes to shove, how many of the Habs hockey management actually have any hockey experience?

  13. Hali_Hab says:

    Anyone else getting the feeling that Gallant could get the bench job?

    “After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.”
    Guy Lafleur.

    • D Mex says:

      It’s possible he’s on a list of candidates – tough to say. However, it’s my understanding that his spoken french is quite limited, and this is not an insignificant consideration.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

      • commandant says:

        Yeah, I hope he’s hired, but I really can’t see us going with a non-french speaker given what happened with Cunneyworth.

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        • Hali_Hab says:

          Yeah, Gallant is my pick for the coaching position. I know he cant speak French but he can understand it. I realize this is a big part of the picture in Montreal but i have this feeling that MB would not hesitate to hire someone if he thought they were the right person for the job. Even if that persons french was limited. Gallant has shown that he is great at developing and coaching youth. He also has some NHL experience. Personally i think his style of coaching is 100 percent suited to play in our division which would boad well for the habs. If you compare him to the current coaches of BOS/TOR/BUF/OTT/ .. He is cut from the same cloth as those current coaches. I think this in it self would also allow the Habs to play a style of game more suited to their division. His biggest selling point to me though is he teaching and grooming ability that was something that was totally removed from the equation in the past few years in Montreal. It’s really a nice mix for a market that craves winning.

          “After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.”
          Guy Lafleur.

  14. Max says:

    Hopefully Dudley brings the same trucculence and work ethic as assisatnt GM as he did during his NHL career with Buffalo and Washington!

  15. Max_a_million says:

    Honestly I don’t think Pierre Gauthier was as much of an idiot as most people on here probably think. Some good and some bad, but we have a nice foundation in place so not so bad as many think. That said, I am also glad to see him gone, and a new regime in place.

    Isn’t it refreshing to hear Bergevin, Timmins, Dudley, … et al actually being candid, and talking about the team. It’s fun for me anyhow. Really enjoying the communication!

    • commandant says:

      I agree, he’s not as bad as many have claimed.

      Unless its Reggie Houle or Mike Milbury… most GMs have good and bad moves.

      PG had more bad than good though, and he handled the job with no coherrent plan and seemed to be more reactionary than proactive. This meant it was time for him to go.

      Even if he did some good things like signing Cole, Emelin and Diaz, and a couple good deals like Wiz, Moore, Bournival, etc…

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      • TomNickle says:

        Did he do more bad than good if Kaberle can’t be moved and puts up 40 assists this coming season? Or if Bourque pops 20-25 goals this season and in a few years Patrick Holland is a top six winger?

        Food for thought.

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        • Bripro says:

          Bourque is as inspiring as AK was. You can see that the talent and size are there.
          They are however used sparingly. If he weren’t a goal scorer but a true grinder with his size, they’re no question that they’d be a better team for it. On top of it, he can score. So why not show up every night?

        • aroma says:

          Dreaming in technicolor. PG’s bad moves, and there were many, will remain bad moves. Kaberle and Bourque have utterly lost it.

          • commandant says:

            Kaberle was on pace for the 40 assists Tom mentions if you take his time in Montreal.

            He clearly didn’t fit in Carolina, but he’s not as bad as people have made him out to be either.

            What he needs is a stay at home, defensive dman, with size and nasty as a partner… not Campoli, who basically was a worse version of the same player as Kaberle.

            A pair has to compliment each other, and these guys both shared the same weaknesses, so it was easy to exploit them.

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        • twilighthours says:

          While I agree PG wasn’t as bad as he is portrayed, I think the kaberle move is every bit as bad as it’s portrayed and even worse. Unless he helps bring the PP back to the top 5, then the 40 2nd assists don’t come close to offsetting all the bad qualities he brings.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Gauthier made good and bad moves but that is beside the point. He created an absolutely toxic work environment. Would any free agent have even considered coming here this summer if Gauthier was still there? The Cammalleri sweater incident alone should have given anybody serious misgivings.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Max_a_million says:

            Yes, it always comes down to the money. Pay them more and they will come.

            I do think everyone will enjoy the environment more though.

          • twilighthours says:

            The cammalleri sweater incident made me embarrassed to be a habs fan.

          • Max_a_million says:

            Yeah the sweater crap was stupid, as was trading him during a game, as was firing coaches during warmups not once but twice. It was time for him to go for sure.

          • nunacanadien says:

            Let’s get the story right. The Habs Ownership Committee to Ruin the Habs made good and bad moves, not Gauthier. Gauthier was just a puppet, so was Gainey. You had a bunch of rich owners who had a scheme to make the habs look small and they accomplished this task very easily. Signing only those players no one wants and who are capable of giving good BS……no wonder we have Scott Gomez. As if Gainey or Gauthier in their right mind would ever sign this type of player…..let’s get the story right.

      • D Mex says:

        As the picture of PG’s tenure as GM emerges, it appears the hockey side of things functioned and achieved to the extent it did d e s p i t e his presence, and not because of it.

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

      • JF says:

        What bothered me the most about Gauthier was that he seemed to be always improvising. He also seemed determined to save small amounts of cap space even if the results were not good; an example is the replacement of Dominic Moore with Jeff Halpern, then letting Halpern go. The revolving door on our bottom two lines was to me a sign that he had no clear vision of the direction the team was taking. I think he also seriously over-estimated the talent at his disposal.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Point well taken, Jane. So was your other point that was posted above (tough to keep up on HI/O with this kind of weather)

          BTW, I’m getting fed up hearing about Kaberle’s assists. People are forgetting that for his type of coin you would expect more of an all-rounded player. Outside of the PP this guy is a total liability.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        commandant, the word is ‘reactive’. The antonym of proactive is reactive. Not that other word that all NHL analysts have suddenly decided they want to use, because it’s longer, and, you know, sounds cooler. Never mind that it doesn’t mean what they think it means.

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  16. Aceman says:

    We’ll soon see how smart he really is!

  17. Max_a_million says:

    I think the NEW Regime in Montreal has decided to put out it’s big news on Fridays. If I were a betting man, I would say the new coach is hired on a Friday as well.

  18. commandant says:

    Junior A isn’t tier 2, its the same level as the USHL and is used for guys to maintain their NCAA eligibility.

    A USHL guy who could go top 10 is Trouba, but you are right in that this year there isn’t likely to be a player at that level that Montreal is looking at #3 overall.

    But there has been before and will be again.

    The reason these kids play in these leagues is not because they aren’t skilled enough for major junior, its because of the NCAA rules.

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    • TomNickle says:

      The reason that SOME play there is for NCAA eligibility. The reason that the overwhelming majority play there is because they can’t make Major Provincial Junior A teams. It is called provincial junior A, not major provincial junior A, and is called tier 2. At least it is here in Ontario and has been called that for quite some time.

      If you think that provincial junior A exists to provide players an avenue to go to the NCAA and that players decide to go that route strictly because of eligibility I would really begin to question your knowledge of the league and quite frankly the scope of Canadian junior hockey as a whole.

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      • commandant says:

        Obviously not all players, but when we are talking about a top ranked prospect, the reasons they are in Junior A is to maintain the junior eligibility.

        Yes the kid on the 4th line is worse, yes the opposition is easier and you have to be wary of stats.

        But just because a player like Turris or Trouba or Girgensons or Michael Matheson is playing at a level below major Junior, it doesn’t mean those players aren’t as good as the ones in the CHL. Its a thing where you have to evaluate the individual.

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        • TomNickle says:

          I never once said that it did mean that. I coached Nick Walsh(Dustin Walsh’s brother) with Quinte AAA in Belleville and I can tell you sure as I’m sitting here that Nick Walsh played TIER 2 because he didn’t get drafted by an OHL team and at the time wasn’t good enough to play for one. He’s a pretty damn good player now and should get a pro contract. On the flip side of the coin I coached Dan Clarke with the same team. He was drafted by the Belleville Bulls and could’ve played in the OHL if he wanted to. He decided against it and went to Quinnipiac University.

          I have a pretty good understanding of the amount of players that play Tier 2 and why they’re there in the first place.

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    • ed lopaz says:

      junior A is considered “tier 2 junior” in Ontario.

      most Junior A players are there because they were not drafted to Major Junior.

  19. commandant says:

    Why is there only a 1 year window on Plekanec? He’s how old, with no history of injuries?

    Dudley said he likes the defence and goaltending but the offence needs a lot of work. It would seem to me that they will want to add offence not trade three key contributors in Pleks, Markov and Gionta.

    Pleks and Gionta are 2 of only 3 forwards on the team who have ever scored 70 pts in a season. The third is Gomez and he’s turned into a turd and must be dealt with. But trading them, and Markov (our best offensive dman) doesn’t seem the logical conclusion to draw from a new guy saying the team needs more scoring.

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    • Max_a_million says:

      It depends on what people are trying to trade in return doesn’t it. No one is untradeable if the right return is sitting out there.

      • TomNickle says:

        EXACTLY. And since Trevor Timmins is the only person left in the organization with a vested interest in some of its players, chances are pretty good that members of other organizations are going to like a lot of our current players more than Bergevin, Dudley and company. If somebody makes you a great offer for Plekanec you don’t say, oh well, hmm, we think he isn’t that old, we really don’t want to move anybody under 35.

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        • Max_a_million says:

          It’s definitely an advantage to not have management who is in love with it’s players, since they are new. It’s harder when you have put a lot of time into players, and have strong feelings for them to be wise about letting them go. Of course fans fall in love with players too.

          Of course it’s a good GM’s job to be able to keep emotions out of it, and use players as assets. As humans too yes, but also as assets.

      • commandant says:

        Sure no one is untradeable, but if you move these guys out you need upgrades.

        Who is lining up to give full value for Markov who has been injured for two years or for Pleks who had a disappointing year or Gionta coming off surgery?

        The idea is to buy low and sell high, and right now you are selling low on these three.

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        • Max_a_million says:

          Who the heck wanted Theodore and his contract that Bob got Colorado to bite on?
          Who the heck wanted Kaberle and his contract that Gauthier bit on?
          Who the heck wanted Sean Avery?

          That is part of the GM’ing job is to find who wants it, how much it cost, and how to make it happen.

          • TomNickle says:

            Who would’ve given up a 1st round pick for Craig Rivet when San Jose did it?

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          • Max_a_million says:

            And Josh Gorges!

            There is definitely an art to the process of talking people into trades, finding things they want, playing the market, not overpaying. You might not want to swindle people very often completely, because you will lose them as trading partners.

          • TomNickle says:

            Everybody knows what everybody else needs at the NHL level. The keys are knowing what everyone else is willing to give up to get what they need, creating a market and knowing who’s been speaking to who about what. Just my opinion though. Information is everything.

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        • TomNickle says:

          I didn’t realize you had spoken to the 29 General Managers in the NHL Ben. My apologies. I’ll just cut it out with the talk that the logical move to improve the team is to upgrade at positions that demand more offense than what the current veterans are producing. Ya know, upgrades.

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        • commandant says:

          Theodore, we got Aebischer for him… not exactly an upgrade… more of lets dump theodore.

          Kaberle… we gave up Spacek for… again, not an upgrade… just a move where Carolina dumped the guy.

          Avery… the Rangers took him on Re-Entry waivers, and gave up nothing for him.

          So your three examples were all teams who bought low, and didn’t give up anything of real value for these guys.

          Do we really want to trade Pleks, Markov, or Gionta without getting value back?

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          • TomNickle says:

            No we don’t and again I never said let’s dump them for nothing. The starting point for any trade for any of the three of those players for me would be a first round pick and a former first round selection or player of equivalent promise.

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        • commandant says:

          Of course you can ask… the point was, you’ve basically said that these guys will be traded…

          If someone gives us an upgrade, anyone can be traded… and yeah we will have discussions about them.

          The only thing I’m saying is that it is likely that teams will be trying to get a guy who is coming off an under achieving year or a injury plagued year, are not very likely to be giving you upgrades.

          If you have the discussion and they do… great.

          But don’t hold your breath waiting for it to happen either…

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          • TomNickle says:

            These guys present little value to a team who is more than a longshot to compete for a Stanley Cup while they’re in their primes. Markov and Gionta fit that category perfectly. Plekanec and Gorges not so much. But, having said that, Plekanec and Gorges will very likely be expendable in the next couple of years. That is only my opinion, but I don’t feel it’s an outrageous opinion by any stretch. Chances are that Markov and Gionta are in fact traded within the next two years and that the Bergevin waits until he has a good handle on where the prospect development is before making a decision on the rest of the veterans. Unless of course, somebody blows him away with an offer. Certainly not outside the realm of possibility and is probably likely. When Bergevin spoke of the core of this team, when anyone with a prominent position in hockey speaks of the core of this team, Plekanec and Markov don’t get mentioned. There’s a reason for that. Markov has gotten old and Plekanec has not elevated to an elite status as a player. Luckily for the Habs, excellent two way centremen with great speed remain hot commodities and well they should.

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          • commandant says:

            Plekanec may not be elite, but a 2nd line centre capable of scoring 60+ pts while playing against the other team’s top line and killing penalties, should be considered a core player to a team.

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          • TomNickle says:

            On a team that has Eller, Desharnais, Leblanc and potentially Galchenyuk or Grigorenko, I disagree, I feel that itself makes Plekanec expendable based on potential alone.

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        • ont fan says:

          Not necessarily true. I think a lot of guys on here want to keep this team intact. The new regime might have other ideas as to where they want to be, let’s say in 3 years. So trading for draft choices and prospects may be the way to go. If that is the case, veterans may well be the commodity that gets you there.

    • TomNickle says:

      The comment was there’s a two year window with Gionta and Markov with their contracts. With Plekanec, if you keep him longer than a year you’re doing so at the expense of Desharnais, Eller, Leblanc and very likely Galchenyuk/Grigorenko’s development. That’s not in any way a statement that he’s too old for this team to win a cup while he’s able to contribute effectively. But why would you put off the development of these players for a guy who I’m sorry, is not elite?

      You put off professional development of others for Joe Thornton’s, Pavel Datsyuk’s, Jonathan Toews’, Sidney Crosby’s, Claude Giroux’s. You don’t do it for Tomas Plekanec’s, Joe Pavelski’s, Jordan Staal’s or Mikhail Grabovski’s.

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      • commandant says:

        Leblanc is likely to be a winger.

        And one of DD, Eller or even Plekanec could be converted to wing as well.

        The idea is to build depth on offence. Not tear it down.

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        • TomNickle says:

          Leblanc’s future is very much up in the air. He’s a highly intelligent player with an excellent motor who battles very effectively and distributes the puck well. His game translates much better to the centre position than the wing if he continues to develop strength. The Habs have the luxury that they can play Eller on the wing and in an ideal World they could put Desharnais there too. But one thing that some video game managers have ignored is that Desharnais doesn’t have the speed to survive on the wing in the NHL. He would get absolutely crushed. Gionta, St. Louis and similar players of that size have survived in the NHL because of their speed. Desharnais doesn’t have it. If he develops that kind of speed, that move would be possible, until then, the thought of him moving the outside should produce visions Pacioretty’s vicious injury.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            Dudley was raving about Leblanc and Desharnais … He didn’t sound like he was on the bubble. Then again that helps with player confidence, and selling players to other teams when you make them all shiny and special!

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            With Bergevin in town Desharnais and Leblanc aren’t going anywhere.

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  20. commandant says:

    McKenzie’s rank is a survey of scouts and then an average of the rankings

    For example if 10 teams had turris at 30 and 20 teams had him at #1, then he would have been ranked around #10.

    The fact he was ranked #3 on McKenzies list means that there was significant consensus he was a top 5 pick.

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    • TomNickle says:

      For the sake of argument we’ll say I’m wrong which I well could be because I’m working off of memory here. What tier 2 player is there in this season’s draft that could go in the top 5? On top of that, with Turris’ underwhelming production thus far in his career, the refusal to sign with Phoenix and the subsequent trade demands at the veteran age of 22, think anybody will be using a lottery pick on a tier 2 player again anytime soon? Is there even room for Bergevin to make such a move this year?

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    • 24 Cups says:

      I remember Turris being a concensus top five pick. Going third overall was no big surprise.

  21. TomNickle says:

    I think I’m missing something here regarding the coaching search. Many “experts” are claiming that Michel Therrien is a front runner. I’d like some clarification from somebody that has some insight into why. Mario Lemieux and Marc Bergevin are good friends. Lemieux fired Therrien because he couldn’t command the respect of his players. Anyone?

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  22. SmartDog says:

    I keep hearing Dudley is a genius. Just want to know how long his genius has been “helping” Toronto?

    I’m just sayin’… maybe he’s really good, but if he were a genius… are you pickin’ up what I’m droppin?

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    • TomNickle says:

      One year.

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    • Habsolutely says:

      haven’t heard anything about him having a genius IQ. Pretty sure he’s known for his scouting acumen.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      He left Atlanta when they moved to Winnipeg. I’m not sure why he was not retained (financial reasons?) but he has not really had the time to fix all Burke’s f-ups in TO yet.

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      • TomNickle says:

        He wasn’t kept because Mark Chipman wanted his local stamp on the franchise. Admirable move but we’ll see if it really pays off. They went with Jim Slater as their #1 centreman this year. I’m not sure that they’re among the league’s better front offices but it’s way too early to judge.

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      • Max_a_million says:

        As Tom alludes to. They had a strong long time working relationship and trust with the people they kept on. Dudley was the outsider, so he was let go.

    • Rob says:

      I thought you were supposed to know your poop?

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    • Malreg says:

      He spent one season with them, and most of his time was spent scouting and preparing them for the draft.

      How does he have anything to do with the on-ice success of the current roster?

  23. commandant says:

    Kyle Turris was #3 in bob mckenzies draft ranks at the time.

    • TomNickle says:

      And #33 on most everyone else’s.

      Iss had him #3 and Central Scouting had him #1. But if I recall correctly McKenzie was adamant that only a handful of teams were willing to use a first round pick on him.

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  24. HardHabits says:

    According to a news report on Radio-Canada, Bergevin is close to hiring a head coach. He states that Rick Dudley’s input will be valuable. The web site report suggests that it is likely the Habs will make the announcement in mid-June, some time after the Cup finals are over.

    source – http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/hockey/2012/05/25/004-habs-bergevin-coach.shtml

    • TomNickle says:

      If that’s true speculation will really heat up that Gerrard Gallant is the choice due to his obligation with Saint John.

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      • Max_a_million says:

        I believe Marc Bergevin to be an honest guy. he sounds that way anyway, and he says they haven’t made a choice. He did stress someone who could teach young players, so it’s a possibility isn’t it.

        • TomNickle says:

          I find the comment at the very least should get rid of the Hartley speculation because for all of the good he’s done in the NHL, developing young players was not one of his strong suits.

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      • commandant says:

        I’d love Gallant. I think hes a great coach.

        But I dont see the team hiring a coach who doesnt speak French.

        I hope I’m wrong on this, but I can’t see it

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          It’s important to note that Gerard Gallant doesn’t speak French, despite his francophone roots and his name.

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  25. AH says:

    Marc Bergevin = new blood; great!
    Rick Dudley= new blood; great!

    Now for the coach…please no Hab retreads, more new blood please!

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’ll just take the most qualified person please….former Hab or not.

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  26. saf says:

    Getting excited about the draft but am thinking that we are placing more hope on the #3 and #33 picks then we maybe should; they’re only part of the solution and likely not for the next couple of years. Here’s a list of the last few 3rd overall picks:

    2011 – Huberdeau (Fla) – tearing it up as a junior
    2010 – Gudbranson (Fla) – played 72 games as a 20-year old this year
    2009 – Duchene (Col) – great talent with an off-year
    2008 – Bogosian (Atl) – good defender
    2007 – Turris (Pho) – talented but contract issues
    2006 – Toews (Chi) – great player
    2005 – Johnson (Car) – steady defender
    2004 – Barker (Chi) – inconsistent defender
    2003 – Horton (Fla) – who cares he plays for Boston
    2002 – Bouwmeester (Fla) – good defender
    2001 – Svitov (TB) – oh oh only Russian and a bust (KHL)
    2000 – Gaborik (Minn) – great player

    Over-all mostly good players with maybe three exceptions (Svitov, Barker and maybe Turris) out of 12. Pretty good odds but not the franchise-saving hope that us fans may have (maybe Gaborik, and Toews fits that scenario).

    Just for fun, at #33

    2011 – Grimaldi (Fla) – too early
    2010 – McFarland (Fla) – too early
    2009 – O’Reilly (Col) – solid NHL’er
    2008 – McRae (StL) – not much so far
    2007 – Elington (Van) – who?
    2006 – Makarov (Chi) – who?
    2005 – Neal (Dal) – fantastic player
    2004 – Bourque (Was) – no not that Bourque … bust?
    2003 – Erikson (Dal) – good player
    2002 – Falardeau (NYR) – bust
    2001 – Shishkarov (Nas) – bust?
    2000 – Shultz (Minn) – finally a good defender

    Not counting 2011 and 2010 that means that 4 of 10 (Neal, Erikson, O’Reilly and Shultz) have been good NHL’ers.

    Anyhow, it was an interesting look from my perspective.

    • TomNickle says:

      We have the #32 pick this year because New Jersey will surely choose to forfeit their first rounder.

      Also, for those about to jump all over the Turris pick. He was a tier 2 player that Gretzky fell in love with. Many teams didn’t even have a first round grade on him. Very unlikely that Bergevin makes a similar selection.

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      • saf says:

        Good points. I expect the Devils to forfeit #32 as well but I didn’t want to go through that exercise as well. But oh well .. .here goes

        2011 – Rattie (StL)
        2010 – Knight (Bos) via a well-taveled pick
        2009 – Ferraro (Det)
        2008 – Voynov (LA) – looking decent this year
        2007 – Maclean (Pho) – nothing much yet
        2006 – Sneep (Pit)
        2005 – Plante (Fla) a goaltender but the wrong one
        2004 – Bolland (Chi) – decent but not spectacular
        2003 – Stone (Pit)
        2002 – Vas (Dal)
        2001 – Roy (Buf) – yay a good NHLer finally
        2000 – Kurka (Car)

        this is scarier than picking #33 … trade down! (lol)

  27. mark_ID says:

    Here’s a hypothetical situation, because I’m bored:

    If Molson said that he wouldn’t swallow Gomez’s salary and dump him to the NHL….but the only way he wouldn’t be on our team would be by trading him…..which option would you prefer..

    A- A team tells us they will take Gomez only if we throw in our 3rd overall pick……..subsequently we get the other teams late first round pick and it opens up 7+ million in cap space for us……or

    B- We are stuck with Gomez for two more seasons.

    Which would you rather?

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  28. twilighthours says:

    Just got to the party. Was there any confirmation that Mtl will have to pay Tor compensation?

    And yes, I do think there’s value in the Habs knowing Toronto’s draft plans. Not for the 1st pick but for subsequent picks.

    • TomNickle says:

      Everybody has their own board and hockey knowledge among teams are usually the worst kept secrets. It’s being blown way out of proportion. As I said to Chorske below, for trading, yes it is an advantage. But, having said that, the drafting advantage is slim to none. You need a lot of pieces to fall into place for a competitive advantage to surface under these circumstances.

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    • commandant says:

      No compensation is allowed as per the rules that are currently in place. Burke can suck it.

      But if he really wants compensation so bad… We’ll be happy to let him have Scott Gomez for Free… Phil Kessel needs a number 1 centre, after all.

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    • ZepFan2 says:

      Why? Montreal didn’t get any compensation when Tampa nabbed Boucher and Brisebois from us. Why should we be forced to pay anything?

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  29. TomNickle says:

    Something for everyone to chew on over the next month. If anybody in the league can trade Scott Gomez, it’s Rick Dudley. If anyone can get fair value for Tomas Kaberle, it’s Rick Dudley.

    I would be surprised, but not the least bit shocked if Bergevin and Dudley were able to find new homes for Gomez and Kaberle.

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  30. commandant says:

    Dudley: “If you get a hot goaltender and a team functioning on all cylinders, they can make a lot of noise very quickly.”

    Doesn’t sound like he’s pushing for a full overhaul to me.

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    • TomNickle says:

      Certainly not a full overhaul but he….

      Compared the Montreal situation to Tampa and Chicago(both were rebuilt during his time there)

      And said he considers this a challenge. Would it be a challenge if they were just going to add a couple of UFAs? I don’t think so.

      Edit: AT SEPARATE POINTS IN THE CONFERENCE DUDLEY COMPARED THE CURRENT HABS CHALLENGES TO THE BLACKHAWKS AND LIGHTNING DURING HIS TIME THERE.

      WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE PLAYER PERSONNEL IN MONTREAL HE SAID THAT IT’S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS IN TAMPA BAY WHEN THEY HAD ONLY THREE PLAYERS CAPABLE OF PLAYING IN THE NHL.

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      • GrimJim says:

        Sorry Tom but at the 5 min mark of the teleconference above Dudley specifically says Mtl is not in the situation that Tampa was in when he worked there

        • ProHabs says:

          Zing, that one has got to hurt.

        • TomNickle says:

          Actually he did compare them. The difference in Tampa he said was that there were only three NHL quality players on the team but said that both Chicago and Tampa were similar challenges and that he feels this Montreal situation is like them.

          The part of the conference that you’re referring to was Dudley’s answer to the question pertaining to the current state of the personnel on the team.

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        • ZepFan2 says:

          Boone has posted what Dudley said : “When I was in Tampa Bay, we had maybe three players who could play in the NHL at any level,” Dudley said, recalling his 1999-’02 term as Lightning GM. “It’s not like that with the Canadiens.

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          • commandant says:

            That to me seems pretty clear he doesn’t see this as a full scale overhaul.

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          • TomNickle says:

            What’s an overhaul? To me it would be putting everyone out there on the table like the BlueJackets.

            To disregard that significant roster moves will be made after Bergevin having hired Dudley would be foolish. Players other than Gomez will be wearing different jerseys in October.

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          • commandant says:

            You’ve assumed Markov and Plekanec will be traded. There is nothing in Dudley’s press conferences that suggests such moves.

            Seems to me you are projecting your desires and reading between the lines on something that wasnt said.

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          • TomNickle says:

            It isn’t a personal desire so much as it is logic. If these guys can add two ufa defensemen able to clear the crease and be true shutdown guys, a scoring winger and a defensive forward who can win important faceoffs and play a shutdown role, then yeah this team’s in great shape. But they’ll also be playing for a first year head coach. So you can pretty much go ahead and write off year one. That leaves one year of contract time for Gionta and Markov.

            You’ve pretty much got a one year window to win a Cup with those two players as key veteran leaders on your team. You also have a Eller, Desharnais, Leblanc and probably a #3 pick at centre on your team. I realize Leblanc is likely to play the wing but due to his intelligence and ability to battle at such a young age it would probably make more sense to have him as a centreman later on. So do you hold back these players in favour of a centreman who averages 50 points per season and makes considerably more money than the rest? Probably not.

            People like to think that this opinion of mine is some desire to rid the team of Markov, Plekanec, Gionta and Gorges. It’s not. It’s a logistical view of this team and how the veteran parts fit into it now and in the future. It’s my opinion and I’ve never claimed it to be more than that.

            You don’t cleanse yourself of your front office braintrust, bring in a completely new group and have them stand pat with the player personnel that was in place under the old braintrust. It just doesn’t work that way and if anyone has some examples of a time where it did and it lead to success, I’d love to see it.

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  31. jols101 says:

    So there was a Press Conference today about all this, I missed it, can anyone kindly post a link? Thanks
    BTW, another great hire. Exciting times ahead. Now go out at get us Galchenyuk if he is available, if not Grigorenko will do just fine. Either way the Habs get a big centerman with elite talent. Been a long time since we had one of those, eh?

  32. frontenac1 says:

    Agreed! The next coach might be someone off the radar.Been thinking the same thing for awhile.

  33. saf says:

    As far as I am concerned, this is good news. I think that Dudley’s knowledge of where the Leafs are today with regards to the draft is, at most, a very slight advantage (but only very slight). Given that the Habs and Leafs rarely trade (Kordic, Mahovlich, Grabovsky not withstanding) there really is no advantage there either.

    The most intriguing question for me is whether this is a Bergevin hire or a Molson hire? If it is indeed a Bergevin hire then I think that shows a lot of confidence on his part. He’s hiring a guy who has had the gm job before and who was his boss. I think that bodes well for the team in that Bergevin would be showing that he is not afraid to get help when needed.

    • TomNickle says:

      “If not for Marc I probably wouldn’t have made a move” – Rick Dudley

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  34. Habsrule1 says:

    Some really good comments today guys. I’m having a fun Friday alternating between reading the site and working.
    I know it’s early, but who intends to go to the HIO Summit this year?
    I may try to put together a mini-summit in Ottawa as well.

    Go Habs Go!!

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    • GrimJim says:

      I’m in for the summit. If the Mayan calendar is right, we may not get another…

      • mark_ID says:

        haha….Jim not sure if you heard…but recently more Mayan calendars were found…..and they continue well past 2012. They are the oldest calendars ever found. Just FYI :p

        “I think I may have found a way to get us Bonds and Griffey, and we really wouldn’t give up that much” – Costanza

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I went to the first then missed the last couple. Now I want back in.

        Go Habs Go!!

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      I am in.

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  35. TomNickle says:

    And there you have it folks. Rick Dudley “this situation is like Chicago and Tampa”.

    Old faces will be in new places.

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  36. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    League wide respect aside, if you look at the teams he’s worked for…outside of the Hawks, not a lot of successful teams are there?

    Guess that isn’t necessarily a knock on him as an assistant, but….

    (he probably did play a part in building the Tampa team that won the Cup, though he wasn’t there for it and they have since been a mediocre to bad team)

    Anyway, proof isn’t in the pudding, it’s in the tasting, so we’ll see!

    • TomNickle says:

      By that logic Trevor Timmins hasn’t been all that great either. Gotta evaluate the individual and what HE did for the team.

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    • Max_a_million says:

      He did a lot to improve that Atlanta team in their last season before heading to Winnipeg for sure.

      I think his track record for bringing in talent is pretty good. Regardless having a team of smart people, has to be better than one man alone.

  37. ont fan says:

    In 2006 Ron Hextall Leaves the Flyers to go to L.A. 2 weeks before the draft. Kings drafting 17 the Flyers 21. The Kings draft Trever Lewis, Hextall knew Bob Clarke wanted him. The Rangers then pick Sangunetti, who Clarke wanted next. Clarke not happy, picks #21, forgets the guys name at the podium. Claude Girioux.

    • Max_a_million says:

      interesting

    • Duke_Rauol says:

      Take this for what its worth, i work in hearst ,home of giroux, alot. about a month after the draft a local told me claude thought he was going to LA, because they told him to be at the draft and they would take him in the 1st if he was still there. He was apparently quite shocked about philly. couuld be hextall thought he was screwing clarke but helped him out.

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  38. H.Upmann says:

    Sure no prob Burkie. Rick won’t work on this draft. He’ll just be across the street at a bar on his laptop and BB. Great news. Definately feel the wind of change coming. Pleks is gone methinks, they’ll do something about Gomez…. And either Markov or Kaberle… Who knows. Can’t wait till draft day! (Galchenyuk please) :)

    • Cal says:

      The wind of change will blow Gomez out of town. Not so much Pleks.

      • ont fan says:

        This is a free ticket to make a lot of changes. Wonder if they will.

      • TomNickle says:

        I would be willing to bet a lot of money that Gomez draws a paycheck from the Habs for a longer period of time than Plekanec going forward from here.

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        • Cal says:

          Gomez will not enjoy riding the bus in Hamilton. He’ll be there for 2 seasons.

          • TomNickle says:

            My point exactly. While he’s in the AHL playing for the Bulldogs, Plekanec will be helping a Cup contender try to capture a championship, in a city other than Montreal.

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          • Cal says:

            @TN- We’ll see. I think experience still counts for a lot in the NHL. Rookies rarely elevate a team.

  39. jols101 says:

    Bergevin, Carriere, Dudley and rumours of Mellanby, lucky there is no salary cap on Management…LOL

  40. habsfanforever7631 says:

    So I wonder, will there be anything stopping Dudley telling us info about the lafs, like who they want to draft, and sdo on?

    • TomNickle says:

      See this is the funny thing for me. What incentive do the Habs have to get information about what the Leafs want at the draft? MONTREAL IS PICKING AHEAD OF TORONTO!

      I’m not yelling at you, just those who think there’s actually a competitive advantage for the Habs in this situation.

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      • Bripro says:

        THANK YOU!
        If we wanted Burke’s perspective, we’d just have to offer him a stage.

      • Max says:

        I agree Mr.Nickle…..it is laughable. Oh and it looks good on the Leafs and Burke!

      • Chorske says:

        You can’t see the value in knowing the draft strategy of a division rival who is picking two spots behind you? Really?

        Also: there’s way more to the draft than the first round, kids. I am sure any team would be interested to find out what any other team’s overall draft strategy and player rankings might look like. Such information would totally affect player and pick trade offers etc.

        Seems pretty obvious to me.

        • TomNickle says:

          Knowing what they want is an advantage but it will not have an impact on how the Habs themselves draft. It could have an impact on potential trades they make, but not how they draft.

          You really think that when they’re sitting at the draft table next month that Bergevin’s gonna turn to Larry Carierre and say “Rick says that Burkie likes Forsberg much more than Galchenyuk, lets take the Swede”?

          Now, if the Habs knew that Burke wanted Forsberg badly and that they wanted Galchenyuk and saw Yakupov and Murray go #1 and #2, they might trade down to #6 and take their chances. But even round by round you’re getting into some pretty specific scenarios that would have to unfold for the advantage to be tangible. The chances that the Habs get to use a tangible advantage of having Dudley are slim to none kid.

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    • Cal says:

      The rule of thumb is the ff:
      If the laffs want them, we shouldn’t.

  41. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    I wonder what John Kordic would say about the Dudley hiring?

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      Snifffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

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  42. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Cool. Dudley looks a lot like Rip Torn. Hope it works out for the men in red, white and blue.

  43. TomNickle says:

    I would like it very much if every time somebody mentioned the McDonagh trade, somebody mentioned the Rivet trade.

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    • shiram says:

      I would not mind if neither were mentionned.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • RGM says:

      I sure do like the latter deal.

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    • mark_ID says:

      yea Tom, that would be nice

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      Totally agree. Not to mention I believe the jury is still sort of out on McDonagh. He’s done very well with a good partner. We really need to wait and see how good he will be. Unfortunately, Gomez has been so bad that people would be bringing it up even if we had traded Lapierre for Gomez.

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    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      OHMYGAWD, doncha know that Ryan “Superstar” McDonagh, is Savard, Robinson and Lapointe rolled into one? The Rangers will win the next 27 cups on his broad back.

    • Bripro says:

      Are we avoiding one-sided trade discussions?
      I guess I won’t mention John Leclair for Dr Recchi.
      Woops. Just did.

      • TomNickle says:

        Just frustrating that people kick others when they’re down and don’t stop to think about the great moves, just the bad moves.

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        • Bripro says:

          It’s human nature Tom.
          Everyone at some point wonders….”what if?”.
          You can’t fault them for it.

          • TomNickle says:

            I think you’re giving a lot of people too much credit. There are a great deal of people around these parts who use it only as a tool.

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        • ont fan says:

          It’s boring. It always comes across like it’s news.

    • Malreg says:

      I want the Rangers to lose just so that we do not have to hear about the Gomez trade every single time McDonagh is on the ice.

    • Cal says:

      Courtnall for Kordic. There, I feel better already.

    • commandant says:

      Can I try

      Oh

      Kovalev for Josef Balej and Bruce Graham!

      What do I win?

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  44. Propwash says:

    Rick Dudley, the guy Pierre McGuire wishes he was.

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      Ya, I’m sure he’s very dissapointed being himself and making more money than just about every AGM & GM in the league.
      Sux to be him, eh?

      Go Habs Go!!

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      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Disappointed? Money isn’t everything. He’d fellate a dead dog to be in the position to be where they are and you know it.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          LOL slight exagerration maybe?
          He wanted the Habs GM job, pay cut or not, but I would not go as far as to say he wishes he was Rick Dudley. I’m sure he’s a very happy guy. I’d fellate a dead dog for his gig lol
          Well, maybe a live one :-P

          Go Habs Go!!

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        • GrimJim says:

          Since it appears that Pierre McGuire has not applied for an AGM position with any team recently, I suspect he does not want to be in Dudley’s position, dead dog or not… :-)

          • ZepFan2 says:

            But Dudley is a lot closer to becoming the Habs GM than PM is. :razz:

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    • Cal says:

      The astute post of the day. :)

  45. Say Ash says:

    Dreger is related to somebody in Leafs management, right?

  46. Un Canadien errant says:

    So Rick Dudley has an encyclopedic knowledge of hockey players at all levels? I thought that was Pierre McGuire’s superpower?

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  47. Aybara says:

    In response to Chris from the previous thread.

    -14 is the differential of aggregate GF and GA. It does include PPGs and the goal tacked on after a shootout win/loss. So basically, add up all the scores from all Habs games and we get the -14 differential.

    If we subtract our SO wins from losses, we end up with 7 goals added on to our GA total from shootouts, reducing our differential to -7 as you noted in the last thread. This is our differential for the season then, including ppg f/a.

    Not a bad differential all things considered. Our goal differential comes out ahead of Washington as they split their SO w/l, and we are also ahead of Florida who despite having a negative SO w/l differential, had a horrible GF/GA which was too far gone to recover from.

    What does this mean? According to goal differential, minus the shootout goals, we place 6th in the east in GF/GA. This clearly demonstrates that the team was on the cusp of a reasonable season, if only they could have cashed a couple in those one goal games. Hopefully with the change in culture associated with the new regime, the players will have that extra motivation and drive to secure those one goal games. At the very least, develop a killer instinct for overtime and the shootout.

    As a side note, New Jersey had a much inflated goal differential +8, due to their success in the shootout.

    And just for clarification, goals in the shootout do not count towards goal total, only the extra goal added for the victory.

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    • Max_a_million says:

      +1

    • RGM says:

      Yeah but Price sucks and isn’t a big game goaltender that can come through in the clutch. A great goalie can win an additional 20 games a season when his team scores one or none. :)

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    • petefleet says:

      The Habs led in alot of those one goal games before losing them. They were the best of the worst in the league. Where they finished beguiles there potential. I submit that if that team had had a coach who didn’t try to protect so damn much, they would have made the playoffs. But then they wouldn’t have the 3rd pick in June.

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  48. PrimeTime says:

    Good move by Bergevin to get Dudley to help him build this team and organization for years. I was mildly concerned with MB’s inexperience so I’m pleased he recognized that as well and will put ego aside for support. I wonder if McGuire would have done the same? So now we have an Anglo and a Franco to steer the ship. Molson is getting smart covering all bases.

  49. HabFarmer says:

    Holy crap, Rick Dudley is 63 years old. Now I feel old……. .

    Smart guy though.

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  50. Max_a_million says:

    Notice he hired someone with a job already, and not one of the panelist off of RDS or TVA. Let’s hope that trend continues.

  51. christophor says:

    A suggestion from Darren Dreger:

    “Here’s an idea, since compensation is no longer allowed for poaching coaches or executives, maybe Montreal flips picks with the Leafs as part of a bigger package that secretly covers off the inconvenience Toronto is dealing with in losing Dudley, a key member of the Maple Leafs management and draft team?”

    HA!

    Dreger’s a Leaf puppet.

    • Max_a_million says:

      He is such an annoying Leaf’s homer … uggghhh

    • TomNickle says:

      Funny he didn’t have these ideas when Boucher, Brisebois and Raymond went to Tampa Bay.

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    • mark_ID says:

      Oh man….see normally I like Dreger…..but that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

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    • Max says:

      Dreger is a tool.Montreal did nothing wrong.They played by the rules and Dudley had an out clause.No compensation warranted.The same situation happened to the habs a few years ago with respect to Tampa Bay.It’s part of the way things are done.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Here’s an idea. How about TSN gives me a laptop and BlackBerry and I take over for Darren Dreger as their ‘insider’. He can do my job in return.

      My idea has as much grounding in reality as his does.

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      That is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. If they don’t want people leaving, offer them more money. Convince them to stay. A few managers recently left the company I work for to go to a competitor, in some cases for more money and in some cases for more interesting work.
      As far as I know, we didn’t get any compensation from them.

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    • Cal says:

      Maybe Dreger can find a bowling pin to stick up his….

  52. Ali says:

    Honestly, looking at this management team, I can’t see Therrien being the coach. I can see Crawford, I can also see Mellanby if he speaks french.

    • TomNickle says:

      I had the opposite thought regarding experience. Mellanby said he’s leaving St. Louis to take a front office job. I think with a management team with this much experience that we’ll see a young, former professional player as a Head Coach. Not Patrick Roy but somebody else. Maybe Denis Savard or Sylvain Lefebvre. Maybe somebody further off of the radar. I don’t think this management team will want a coach who carries a ton of clout. But that’s just a gut feeling.

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      • Ali says:

        Yeah it’s possible. I also think its likely Mellanby was let go from St. Louis. Hitchcock probably wants to bring in his own assistants. Out of respect they let him leave versus firing him.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I posted on the other thread that we need to get some young keen guys in the organization to learn the ropes and for us to have a succession plan. If we get cherry picked again and lose talent like we did when we got raided by Tampa Bay, and as we did to the Leafs, we have to have people from within the organization who can take the next step up.

        Two people I can see who can do that are Vincent Damphousse and Hal Gill. Vincent couldn’t commit to the job because of family, maybe he could see the handwriting on the wall and didn’t want to suffer through the process, but he may be a perfect fit in a junior role, one that allows him to remain mostly in Montreal for the next couple years. As far as Hal Gill, he loves Montréal, has leadership skills, is whip smart, as a former quarterback should be. Let’s get this guy in the system and groom him.

        I’m partial to internal candidates who have worn the CH proudly.

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        • jwhogeveen says:

          I agree Hal Gill would be a great guy to have in the system. when he’s done, get him to Hamilton and let him work with D. Hal did some good work with subban and I can see him doing the same with our other young D-men.

          Cheers

        • Bripro says:

          I think it’s a great idea.
          Earlier in the GM search process, I suggested Vinny because of his NHLPA exposure as well as rubbing elbows with NHL executives.
          And I’ve also mentioned as you have regarding Hal Gill.
          If he’s not sure about retiring, how about having him as a player/defence coach?

        • Cal says:

          I like Hal Gill as a mentor to younger D and maybe he would want to be an assistant in Hamilton. His attitude seems perfect for that.

  53. TomNickle says:

    Can’t wait to see the look on John Tortorella’s face tonight when his team is eliminated.

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  54. FanCritic says:

    I’ll wait till I see our new Coach and what we have for a team 2012-2013 but I must say so far the front office don’t look any worse
    better we’ll see… not gonna jump to conclusions.

  55. TomNickle says:

    Marc Bergevin, Rick Dudley, Larry Carierre and Trevor Timmins.

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    • mrhabby says:

      and the coach is????

      • TomNickle says:

        Going to have his work cut out for him.

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        • mrhabby says:

          and here i thought you would drop a name. i do think its soon very soon may even be next week.

          • TomNickle says:

            Haha. I like Denis Savard for the job.

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    • Max_a_million says:

      Very good management team. I am happy with how they are baking this cake so far. Let’s see who he comes up with for a coach, the draft, and free agency. It is nice to be hopeful!

  56. mrhabby says:

    About time..signing confidentiality agreements takes forever.

    nice hire buy MB with Larry C this brings some long awaited credibility back to the habs office team.

  57. petefleet says:

    Let’s have some fun here. There’s only so much you can say about GMs and AGMs.
    My bold predictions for the coming season, imagining that all the players below are still in a Habs uni.

    Pleks 60+pts
    Cole 30+ goals
    Max 40+ goals
    DD 80+ pts
    Markov 50+pts
    SubeeDoo 50+
    Eller 40+pts
    LL 15-20 goals
    Bourque 25 goals
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    • Rugger says:

      If Bourque gets 25 goals (and I agree that he will) and assuming Gionta gets the same, I think Pleks will have a career high.

      • petefleet says:

        I forgot about Gionta. Oops. 25+ from him and a full season on Pleks wing would be good.

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    • TomNickle says:

      As much as I like the addition of Erik Cole I would be slightly surprised if he scored thirty goals again.

      I think Plekanec is gone.

      I think Markov is gone.

      I think PK Subban will have an amazing year with a new Head Coach provided he’s allowed to be himself.

      I think Leblanc will be in Hamilton.

      I think your Eller projection is pretty close but I would call that point total you have him pencilled in for the minimum.

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      • Habsrule1 says:

        Interesting as always Tom. I think Cole will get very close to 30 again. I would not be shocked if Plekanec was traded to improve our top 2 lines. I would however be very surprised to see Markov gone. Most experts and fans alike attribute the Habs dismal season for the most part to the fact that Markov didn’t play. He’s our quarterback on D and I would not let him go, and I doubt the Habs will.
        I agree that Leblanc will start the season in Hamilton, but depending on who we acquire, I think we will see him within a couple months in Montreal….also depending on injuries.
        I think the Habs will have a good season due to the fact that I believe the new coaching staff will be hired with offense in mind as a priority.
        Patrick Roy has shown that he can coach a good 2-way game, finishing in the top 5 in goals for every season, and in the top 6 in goals against. That said, I’m not sure he’s the right coach, but I do like that stat (kids or not).

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        • TomNickle says:

          Plekanec and Markov for the 1st overall pick and Sam Gagner?

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          • mrhabby says:

            times are a changing.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            It would be tempting, but I honestly don’t think losing Markov would help the team whatsoever. What defenseman do we bring in to replace what he brings to the team? Our defense does not need much tweaking, assuming everyone stays healthy…..but that’s definitely an interesting trade proposal.
            You might be right, but something tells me we shouldn’t trade Markov.

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          • Bripro says:

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but Gagner seems to have been overly-hyped for the 2007 draft.
            He seems to be an under-achiever…never more than 50 points.
            And he’s a defensive liability (this is all conjecture based on documented information…I’m not astutely perceptive enough to make this up).
            So if Markov does in fact fully recover his strengths, and we trade a top defensive forward, you would do this for 1st overall, when we already have 3rd?

      • petefleet says:

        I hope you are suprised by Cole. I hope Plekanic is not gone. I hope Markov finds his skating ability over the summer. I hope PK is himself this season, if he can remember what that is. I hope LL is ready for the big show but Hamilton will not hurt him at all. I hope you’re right about Eller.

        Love your tag line at the end.

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      • Gerry H says:

        I’m not getting the Markov trade speculation, Tom. His value right now is a huge question mark. If his knee permits a return to form, he’s a top ten Dman. If it isn’t, he’s an expensive albatross.

        No one knows for sure, but what GM would make that trade? The old Markov at $5.75 MM per is a relative bargain. If I’m a buyer and see the Habs shopping him, I HAVE to assume they know the knee’s done.

        • TomNickle says:

          With the new additions in management and the situation this team is in from a player personnel standpoint, I don’t see any practical way around a rebuild. This team needs to add two physical and very good defensive defensemen. It needs an upgrade at the first line centre position and more depth on the wings. If you try to do that through free agency it’s a crapshoot and if you do it via the trade market you’re mortgaging the future.

          Markov and other veterans can be traded during a rebuild based on the state of the franchise. Any team can do a physical on a player to determine their health. I wouldn’t move veteran players for scraps but there’s no sense in keeping a great deal of the veterans this team has if it can’t put itself in a position to compete for a Stanley Cup within the next two years.

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          • Habitall says:

            Not sure I agree with your assessment of our needs on D. You’re saying 2 physical types and 1 stay-at-home, and for that we should make room by trading Markov. I’d say we could use 2, not 3. You also say that picking up these kinds via UFA is a crapshoot, but I don’t think so. We could have done very well with O’Brien and Mara last year, gotten rid of Spacek (for a low pick, not Kaberle), not played Diaz/Weber, and not picked up Campoli. Neither Mara or O’Brien would have been a risk to me (okay, maybe O’B on the party scene, but I doubt it).

            To me, Markov and Kaberle have a similar skill set — both are puck moving D who don’t hit, but who do make important plays. Both are very useful set-up guys. But Markov is better. I’d prefer to keep him.

          • TomNickle says:

            2 physical defensive defensemen who can chew up around 20 minutes per game effectively. If free agency were that easy nobody would have trouble signing the players they want. Free agency also isn’t easy for a team with cap limitations and a roster full of defensemen who are either already under contract or are restricted free agents. It isn’t a video game.

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      • Rugger says:

        I do not think we will see quite this much change at least not before the trade deadline. I think the new management/staff will want to fully evaluate the pieces in place with the new “system” in place. But who knows, it will be an interesting off-season/training camp.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Desharnais with 80pts is a little crazy, I’d say 60pts.
      Pacioretty could possibly hit 40 goals but that is a bit of a stretch.
      Cole could just get to the 30 goal mark, I could see that.
      Subban has the talent to get 50 if the PP gets going.
      Bourque and Eller are both wildcards that could go wither way.
      Markov, again maybe if his knee is 100% and the PP improves this year.

      All your predictions are a bit ambitious but I hope you’re correct!

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Considering what DD and Max did last year, I don’t see those numbers as stretches. I’m not saying they are a shoe-in, but no reason not to believe both of these young players improve….especially if you see Cole hitting 30 again. PK can get 50 easily with a healthy Markov.
        Bourque & Eller….I totally agree. I have a hard time pinpointing what they could do.

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  58. awesomerino says:

    I assume Toronto let dudley jump ship early upon realizing that having access to the Leafs’ draft plans gives the Habs no advantage whatsoever.

    • petefleet says:

      Maybe even a disadvantage. LOL

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Truculence baby!


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  59. 24 Cups says:

    Carriere and Dudley are solid hockey people who have tons of experience. I hope that Dudley is able to beef up the Habs’ evaluation of pro hockey players to complement Timmins’ scouting of draft prospects.

    Only a naive fool would think that Dudley somehow won’t be tutoring Bergevin on the upcoming entry draft.

  60. bendrixian says:

    I just found this article about rick dudley’s time in atlanta.Looks like no big errors on his part during his time as the GM.
    http://illegalcurve.com/2011/06/08/analyzing-rick-dudley%E2%80%99s-tenure-as-thrashers-general-manager/

  61. Strummer says:

    “De facto GM”

    That could be a new job title.

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  62. TomNickle says:

    Holy Cow. The Montreal Canadiens media tour. Press conference to announce Bergevin, another one to announce Dudley and another one probably coming in the next two weeks to announce a Head Coach.

    Spoiled media brats must be loving it. ;)

  63. commandant says:

    As for the Dudley hire, I like it. Good hockey guy.

    However I think this qualifies as the worst kept secret in sports.

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  64. Max says:

    For the first time in years,I can actually look at the hab’s front office with respect and dignity again.We’ve finally got ourselves a solid management group which can rival any in the league.

  65. commandant says:

    Have we cleared the liveblog news with PrimeTime?

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  66. shiram says:

    For any wondering…
    @mirtle Canadiens officially name Rick Dudley assistant GM. Agreement with Leafs is that he won’t work the draft. Larry Carriere stays on with Habs.
    Don’t know that mirtle guy though.

    To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

  67. New says:

    Smart hire. Mr. Molson deserves a pat on the back.

  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    Suck it, Burkie.


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  69. Morenz7 says:

    Or, as Eklund would say: “Habs have won the Rick Dudley sweeps”

  70. kirkiswork says:

    Coach must be next or maybe it will be new players……

  71. habsfan0 says:

    This is big news.

    But not quite as big as the fire at Schwartz’s.

    One can only hope this will have no effect whatsoever on the quality of the sandwiches being served. I don’t want any unpleasant surprises when I unravel the vacuum packed smoked meat which has accompanied me on the long drive from Montreal to Toronto.

    • BeachHabFan says:

      there was a fire at schwartz’s??!!
      (sad that I use HIO as my news feed)

      I ws gonna be up there next week! They open or what?

      Oh yeah, and dudley looks like another solid hire, like the idea of habs stuffing the front office with quality brains (as opposed to Brians).

  72. shiram says:

    2 threads in a day, HIO is spoiling us.

    To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

  73. TomNickle says:

    Great Hire.


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