Reflections on a tight loss

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The Canadiens gave the Stanley Cup champions everything they could handle.
Here are links to some accounts of the game.
And Sid the Kid is back.
(Photo of Alexei Emelin belting Milan Lucic by Christinne Muschi/Reuters)

Red Fisher enjoyed the game

Quotes from the room

Bergeron feels Crosby’s pain

Sensational return for Crosby

Bruce Arthur and  Roy MacGregor on Crosby

Documentary on the glory years

TSN Radio gets new Montreal frequency

182 Comments

  1. The Pickle says:

    Last night was one of Gomez’s best games, now is not the time for bashing. He made a sweet feed to Cammalleri that should have evened things up, but no one likes to mention the good things he does.

  2. Mats26 says:

    I can’t believe all you Gomez haters. The facts are irrefutable.

    Scott Gomez has as many points as Sidney Crosby. What more do you people want????

    And for less money , I might add.

  3. habfan53 says:

    I find it funny that with all of the complaning of JM 77% (according to the poll ) think he is doing a good job behind the bench.
    Personally I think deserves a D- but gave him a D. Saved from an F by injuries
    Examples from last night from from the puck drop Claude Julien puts out his 4th line, great what does JM do ,puts out his 4th why not start with your best ie Cole, Pax and Deharnais or at least your 2nd best, Cammi, Pleks and Gionta.
    On the power play you want your best snipers and or lines so why does Gomez get 1 minute more playing time than Cole
    2 years from now who are the Canadiens going to lean on Gomez or Eller more likely Eller so why does he get 3 minutes less time last night (17:28 to 14:31)
    I’m not saying not to use Gomez but let him earn his time like Eller and Moen have.

    • Aybara says:

      I don’t know what school you went to, but C isn’t a “good” grade. It’s average/below average.

    • wall2bay says:

      I had him at D also but after the last 2 minutes of last night……he’s down to an F.

      Simply put, any coach with HALF a brain knows that Subban is at the very worst our 6th most talented player on the team (in my view he’s probably the best but I’m not the head coach for the Habs so what do I know?). So how is it that he’s not on the ice for the final 2 minutes on the PP???

      I mean seriously!?!?!

      “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

  4. Habsssssssswin says:

    Any update on Crosby?
    When is he expected to be back ?

    Columbus on a winning streak…2 gamer…Big news !

  5. Chris says:

    I’m disappointed that the conversation from earlier was moderated, even if I understand why it happened.

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    @Crosseyed, hope your bud is okay, that is pretty scary what went down there.

  7. TOP DAWG says:

    Chris:

    I’m not talking about last season & you were not either. You & I were both refering to this season. And this season so far Thomas is not the best by a long shot.

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

    • Chris says:

      Top Dawg: Sorry, but I don’t buy that rebuttal. Sidney Crosby is without doubt a better hockey player than Claude Giroux. This year’s statistics do not bear that out, in this case because of Crosby’s injury, but I doubt you would disagree with me on that point. The justificiation is that Crosby has a track record that we can point to and say that he is unquestionably the best player in the world…we all know that, if healthy, he will return to the form he has consistently displayed. This isn’t a knock on Giroux, by the way, who is well on his way to superstar status in the league if he continues to develop as he has.

      Similarly, Tim Thomas has established himself at the head of the class of elite goaltenders in the NHL, a class that does not yet include Brian Elliott. I am not trying to dismiss Elliott’s performance…he has been excellent. And at 26, he could follow Thomas’ lead and be a late bloomer who develops into one of the elite goaltenders in the NHL.

      Thomas, in my opinion, is the best goaltender in the NHL by a long-shot at the moment, both based on his current form and his track record. I am willing to re-evaluate that at mid-season, once hot- or cold-streaks have had a chance to average out.

      For example, after 9 games, Kari Lehtonen was one of the surprises of the league, posting an 8-1-0 record to go with a stirling 1.74 GAA and 0.946 SV%. Nikolai Khabibulin was even better, posting a 7-0-2 record to go with an unreal 0.982 GAA and 0.964 SV%.

      Since then, Lehtonen has posted a 4-3-0 record to go with a much more mortal 3.13 GAA and 0.903 SV%, while Khabibulin has slumped even worse since then, posting a 1-4-0 record to go with a 3.72 GAA and 0.886 SV%.

      I’m not saying that Elliot will do the same thing. In actuality, I think both he and Halak will see their stats buttressed by the arrival of Ken Hitchcock. But nor do many people seriously consider Elliott as one of the elite goaltenders in the NHL yet.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Tim Thomas has been the best player in the NHL since Sidney Crosby was concussed 38 weeks ago. Even the headmaster agreed that Thomas has been lights out.

        That may change now that Crosby has returned, but to compare players based on short term stats is ludicrous. Elliot over Thomas (or another 15 goalies) is absurd.

  8. The Dude says:

    Biggest problem with the Habs….they’re not the Pittsburgh Penguins !What’s the saying”When you got too many lemons just make lemon-aid”.The lil blue,blanc et rouge car that kinda could….well almost!How many points for almost anyway????Looking forward to the Pens game!

  9. JoeC says:

    So , to comment on all the people that are pro Gomez because he wins face offs…

    Yanic Perreault could be had, yes hes 40 but, hes amazing in the faceoff circle for league min!!

    David Stechle is less then a million for the leafs, and has more points and better at faceoffs then Gomez

    Really , drop the argument thjat Gomez is trying hard and great at Offensive zone face offs, GREAT thats still not work 7 million so hes a faliure.

    And JM is a terrible coach, id again like to see a new coach and see how they would use Gomez, because like him and every other player on this team, i think they would ALL be better with a new coach, minus Darche who i think would be benched if JM wasnt coach.

  10. Chorske says:

    Ooh, internet threatening a man who has served his country. not the best way to endear yourself to this crowd.

  11. lBUSYl says:

    Ouch.
    I seen the commotion on the Habs Bench, but RDS wasn’t showing what was happening in the seats.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Fight+breaks+Bell+Centre+stands+during+Montreal+Boston+hockey+game/5749613/story.html

  12. Ian Cobb says:

    Hi Shane,
    Are you leaving Mtl. today my friend?
    It was great to see you again, and thank you very much for helping me with the name tags etc.

    I was talking to Kerry today about you. Hope when you get home you get in touch with him. Have a good flight.

  13. Ton says:

    listening to normand flyn on 990, expresses himself better in english and than french, next coach for habs??

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    Gomez Salary Complaints ; No one can do anything about his salary currently, it is what it is. What I want from him is to be an effective player who contributes. In my opninion constantly expecting a 7.5million result from his play is akin to walking into the gas station and asking why the $1.27 per litre gas seems no better than the $.69 cent per litre gas you purchased 2 years ago.

    He is clearly not in Sidney’s or Ovies category of player, but to continually request that magically he will perform to that value is pointless.

    So perhaps we should ask MaxPac to not score for awhile, after all he is not being paid to score at the pace he currently is on. PK Subban, why does anyone expect him to contribute, have any of you looked at his contract recently. Come on this kid shouldn’t even get a sniff at the power play, not until he starts making 5+million a year..

    • shiram says:

      So how much salary is Scott Gomez worth in your eyes?
      And PG can do something about his salary, he just has not done anything about it yet.

      Randy for HC!

      • Chrisadiens says:

        IMO, the only way Gomez gets sent to the AHL is if we sign/trade for a big name. And Im starting to think MTL execs are worried about sending a bad message to players (current or FA) by dumping Gomez to HAM. Its hard enough to get players to play here.

        Just my 2 cents…

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        It makes no matter what I think his salary is worth, just as I pointed out, Subban is clearly worth more than what he is paid this year, but it doesn’t matter.

        Of course this is just my opinion.

        If PG could find a way to utilize Gomez current caphit for another player sure do it, but I really don’t see that happening until trade deadline or next offseason.

        • shiram says:

          I was more curious about your opinion on what Gomez is worth, but that’s fine if you don’t wanna answer, not like I could come up with a figure so easily either.

          Randy for HC!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Wasn’t trying to avoid, Sorry Shiram, uhmmm what is gomez worth, (hang on can’t find my fricking magic 8 ball, borrowed it to Mtl Canadiens for a video promo they did on the weekend) uhmm 1.5? Obviously not much currently. Perhaps he can get up to about 3 by playoffs but i doubt it.

            However, if he can start making a line play well that would be great. If this season doesn’t end well, I am pretty sure the Habs will have to finally deal with his contract. My main point was, at this point he is a servicable veteran centre who “can” be useful. However, if viewed by his salary, one will never be satisfied.

          • shiram says:

            No worries on it all, I just like picking the mind of the HIO commenters, it usually is well worth the effort!

            My issue with the Mez right now is the valuable time he takes away from the younger ones, while not really contributing much.
            Sure Eller does not score much, but there is potential in him that could bedevelopped, so if we are to have a center not producing, might as well be one that can improve.

            Also Gomez, always gets free pass on his TOI and PP time, while rookies are benched for any reasons.

            Randy for HC!

          • G-Man says:

            Koivu has a salary of $2.5 mil this year- his output this season is 20GP 3G 5A 8Pts.
            Gomez is at 4A after 12 GP.

            The math is obvious: $2.25 mil.

  15. shiram says:

    It was a boring game, no matter the score.
    Oh well, they can’t all be barn burners.
    Emelin, I think we saw a glimpse of what he can bring the team, maybe sitting in the press galery helped his vision on a different ice surface? Who knows…

    Cole breaks away into the offencive zone, followed shortly by MaxPac, they try to make a play, but where’s their playmaker center? Lagging some steps behind, not able to catch up.
    It’s interesting as Cole has been doing this alot, and everytime DD seems to have a hard time catching up.

    Bring on the next game…

    Randy for HC!

    • avatar_58 says:

      Maybe Cole should move to center since he breaks into the zone so easily. He makes a better playmaker than anyone else, seeing as he just barrels in there with his size. Problem is he needs a sniper to pass to (ie Cammy, Gionta).

      A line of Cole, AK46 and Cammy would be interesting, but then I don’t think Cole is suited to the faceoff circle.

      • shiram says:

        But he is the one that takes them when DD is sent off the faceoff circle., still I don’t think he is center material.
        Mostly it was just to point out that our 2 fast power forward are playing with a slow playmaker.

        Randy for HC!

  16. Hard4Habs says:

    Emelin is really getting used to north american ice, I can see why PG brought him over. I think he looks better every game. As he gets more comfortable, his gap control is getting tighter, he’s finding those passing/shooting lanes and using either his body or stick to block them.
    His positioning is a lot better than it was early in the season; he stopped chasing the opposition behind the net. If he keeps progressing at this rate, we will have a very solid top 4 once Markov is healthy.

    On another note, why the hell is Gomez getting so much ice time while Eller, who’s shown great promise early in the season, barely plays. JM is going to burn this kid. He’s big, wins his battles in the corners and along the boards and except for the occasional turnover, his defensive game is very good for a young lad. I hope this is temporary until AK46 is healthy, they seem to have great chemistry together. This duo is a constant threat in the offensive zone, always working hard. I hope JM doesn’t fuck it up, Kostitsyn finally figured out his role as a mentor for Eller. Those two finding their game could be the difference between making the playoffs or not.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I had no expectation of Emelin until Christmas, great to see him progressing. It is a HUGE adjustment for a D from Olympic to NHL ice. Probably the other way, too. Patience, all.

      As for Eller, I really hope we don’t eff him up like Poo and the Tender One and… I have no idea what Martin is thinking sometimes, er, most of the time…

      • HabinBurlington says:

        You actually believe that Montreal effed up Pouliot? Volumes have just been spoken!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        LA, I think the evidence is mounting that Mr. Pouliot is just not going to pan out as the player he was envisioned to be in Juniors. He’s on pace for an 8 goal season. If you watched the game last night it’s apparent that he’s not ‘turning it around’ in Boston.

        He’s not a Cam Neely who just needs a change of scenery to blossom, just a player with low hockey-IQ and life skills.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  17. Hobie Hansen says:

    All in all, not a bad effort. It wasn’t until there was 05:00 remaining in the third that the Habs hit the level they’ll need to play at in order to beat Boston.

    I predicted that Emelin would have a solid game and it was very nice to see him catch a few Bruins with a cold shoulder. It is crazy that anytime Emelin hit a Bruins player that their entire team was looking to line him up and get payback.

    Boston played a disciplined game. It almost seemed like Claude Julien decided to throw Montreal a change up and just quietly go about their business and slip out of town with two points.

    I think Montreal really needs to have Pacioretty and Kostitsyn (when he returns) to have a look at how Cole plays. Cole created a handful of scoring chances last night by throwing his weight around and driving hard to the net.

    Plekanec can create opportunities but the rest of the offense seems to have to have the puck on a silver platter to get a scoring chance. Cammalleri has a wicked release but he, like a lot of other Habs, needs to be setup and can’t create their own opportunities.

    A solid forecheck by the bigger players has to be established.

    With a healthy roster Montreal has the potential to do some damage but I think they’re still a step behind Boston and probably two behind Pittsburgh.

  18. TO ALL 2012 SUMMIT MEMBERS

    Bring your skates, gloves, sticks and helmets.

    hh has called me out and now I have come with a great idea to raise money.

    Since hh is from Montreal I’m sure he can find us an arena to rent out for a couple hours.

    It’s all for charity I hope to raise funds from Manitoba, maybe y9ou could all do the same. It will generate tons of money for the Chidren’s Foundation.

    Fastest lap.
    Hardest Shot. (out of three shots)
    Accuracy.( most corners picked from a tooter)
    One on One drill.
    Pilon break-away drill.

    Sounds good hh, looking forward to raising more money for the Summit.

    Because I fly from Mb, I am only brnging my skates,sticks, gloves, and helmet.

    Anyone else in on this. I will start a fund raiser next week or so.

    EDIT: I heading back to Manitoba, anyone wishing to do this is more than welcome. We need to put names together now and throughout the year and then when the Summit dates are released we’ll be set for timings.

    I get special consideration because of my brain injury and pacemaker, lol, I’ll raise my hand when it goes off as I skate.

    Just joking, I don’t need help. Hockey is life. Live it while you can.

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You wear a helmet? :-)

      Seriously, you’ve got to wear shin pads, even for screwing around, taped onto the outside of your long underwear. I forgot shin pads for a game, found a kids pair in the lost and found, and of course ended up blocking a clear in the offensive zone.

      Pain. Ask Craig Ludwig.

      Actually, a good idea. It would do some posters good to actually play a little. I’ll sponsor somebody – maybe not you :-)

    • Chorske says:

      I have been wondering when we’d put together a HIO shinny game. How hilarious would that be?

      For the record, I am good for three end to end rushes. And then, once I’m done almost puking, I like to have a beer on the bench. At the grand ole age of 41, after years of academic inactivity, THAT is about my output.

      That’s still more ice time than some Habs are seeing these days, mind you.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      If we have the ice, we might as well play a full game (shinny, no contact, no raisies is fine) instead of just the skills comp.

      If someone in Montreal can organize the ice and game while Ian focuses on the Summit itself that would be awesome.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  19. canadiens26 says:

    One of the threads yesterday had a video about Bruins fans being the worst fans in the league, or something along those lines. Does anyone have that link? I tried looking for it but it’s difficult with the multitude of threads that keep appearing.

  20. Old Bald Bird says:

    Timo is 90% obnoxious, although I do find his MABism amusing, but I was affronted by what you did in that post. Whether a guy chooses to watch a game from the corner or link arms with drunken buddies and sing fight songs is irrelevant. I know he’s hard to take, but …

    Mumble, mumble: I’m going back into my quiet corner now.

  21. J_P says:

    A few (edit: ok more than a few) observations from last night:

    …boston played a very strong road game, and the habs played right into it. The habs played too timidly from the get go, and should have been attacking boston early. Watching two teams trying to play defense-first hockey hoping to capitalize on the other teams mistakes is an exercise in futility.

    …Gomez had 18 minutes of ice time. The idea of gomez having as much ice time as paccioretty and more than erik cole is a gigantic coaching blunder. Even the fact that gionta and cammy were played more than Cole and Paccioretty is ridiculous. Cole and Patches have been two of our best players on the ice night in and night out, and JM once again rewards scott gomez for absolutely nothing.

    …Boston’s goal really illustrated their skill level and team play. It really was a thing of beauty.

    …Once again the habs failed to make the opposing goalies life miserable. Very few instances where players charged the net with the puck.

    …Could cammy have taken any longer to release that shot on the turnover? He made it so easy for chara to get back and pick his pocket. Make a move cammy, you had the time and the space. If you’re gonna shoot, get the puck off your stick. He could have taken a slap shot faster. This is a good example of why cammy has been struggling this year.

    …Aron Palushaj. Wow, this player is definitely not nhl ready in my opinion. Coming down on the partial 2 on 1, what did he actually think he was going to do from his backhand? Instead of dropping the shoulder and charging the net, maybe letting a low backhand go to generate a rebound, he makes the weakest of backhand passes right on the ice, once again making it easy for chara to break up the rush.

    …Mathieu Darche was once again absolutely invisible. I don’t think his stay in Montreal is over, but it probably should be. It was a nice feel good story for a couple of years, but I dont see why we keep this guy around anymore.

    …Powerplay was abysmal once again. Totally disorganized, and throwing the puck around all over the place. Boston penalty killers did a great job of pressuring the habs into making mistakes, and rarely let the habs get settled.

    …A very big positive from last nights game is the fact that in no way, shape or form did boston physically dominate us.

    Overall it was an entertaining hockey game, but as impressive as the win vs. the rangers was, this game left a lot to be desired. The habs definitely have lots of work to do. I think some further moves need to be made to address our bottom six fowards, and once again, Gomez needs to go. We’re a better team without him. After a strong game against his former team, last night was right back to his usual poor play.

    • OneTimer says:

      “boston played a very strong road game”
      “Boston’s goal really illustrated their skill level and team play”
      “Once again the habs failed to make the opposing goalies life miserable”
      “Could cammy have taken any longer to release that shot on the turnover?”
      “Aron Palushaj. Wow, this player is definitely not nhl ready in my opinion”
      “Powerplay was abysmal once again”

      I think you’re looking very hard to find negatives in this loss. The team battled hard, and played well. What did you think about our forecheck causing turnover after turnover in the O-zone yesterday? What about winning like 8 straight O-zone draws on the powerplay? Sheesh…

      • J_P says:

        I didnt have to look very hard to find the negatives. You can applaud them all you want if it makes you feel better, but at the end of the day the habs put up a goose egg, and lost a game that they had no excuse to lose.

  22. The Pickle says:

    You guys are all missing my point. I purposely uses the Kovalchuk example because it was a shootout with nobody pressuring him. Ive played hockey my entire life, I know it’s tough to shoot when you’re getting slashed and held by a 6’5 240 lbs caveman. My point is performers like those I mentioned have perfected their craft so much more than athletes. Sidney Crosby is the best hockey player in the world. Line him up in front of a knife throwers wheel and have him shoot pucks at a volunteer the same way a knife thrower throws knives. Needless to say, Mr. Volunteer is leaving with a couple of bruises…

    • J_P says:

      Crosby really is out of this world. I know it was against the islanders, but who comes back form a 10 month layoff and puts up a 4-spot? Nevermind the fact the he put up 4, the guy could have had 6 easy. What a player! I used to never want to admit it, but I dont think there’s any argument that can made against him being the best player in the world.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      But Monsieur Pickle, the point is the pressure, they are trained to NOT think under pressure, just react.

      But give them time to think, and it’s a problem. The Kovalev example cited elsewhere is appropriate. Pure muscle memory.

      My kid utterly wiffed his first shoot-out, horribly, didn’t even get a shot off though his shooting percentage on breakaways is about .500. On a breakaway there is no time to think.

      Thinking in hockey is the enemy. Same for goalies.

  23. jrshabs1 says:

    Ahhhhh……a loss to the b’s brings back some normalcy to HIO. Duke it out boys.
    Go Habs Go!!

  24. FormalWare says:

    Depressing thoughts on Lars Eller’s treatment (*sigh*):

    Did anyone else catch Martin’s reply to the press conference question RE: Larry? Absolutely refused to praise him. Harped on his “slowness to execute”, instead.

    Hasn’t JM ever heard the phrase “hate the sin, love the sinner”? Is he truly blind to Larry’s hockey sense and work ethic–not to mention his talent for earning and retaining the puck?

    JM seems to think Eller needs to be broken, like a wild stallion. But there’s broken in the sense of “tamed”–and then there’s broken, as in spirit. When Larry pushes too hard, gets over-aggressive in his desire to impress his coach, and help his team win, he seems only to end up sitting in the corner.

    Don’t let him get you down, Larry!

    PG: Give the kid a break–send him down to Hamilton!

    (*sigh*)

    If Eller were pronounced “Ell-ay”, Larry would be #2 with a bullet!

  25. kerrgte says:

    That was truly an exquisite game for our boys.

    If Gill, Markov and Kostitsyn had been in the line-up; maybe, just maybe, success could have been achieved.

  26. Bripro says:

    I see there are still Gomez re-hashings. Time to move on.
    We should collectively ignore how much he’s making, and watch for the effort he’s putting in. Since being back, let’s face it, he tries hard. Two assists saturday night.
    I wonder about how JM plays him or most others for that matter.
    Perfect example, we have a 5 on 4 and who’s on the PP?
    Darche. Where’s Cole? On the bench….Oye!

    • J_P says:

      for a 7.3 million cap hit, I want a lot more than try hard. I agree he tries, he’s just not capable anymore. Scott Gomez is done. Even though he tries hard, he makes the habs a worst team, so frankly, he shouldn’t be on the team. I agree that its kind of useless to send him to the minors unless we are going to make a trade that requires that cap space, but it doesnt mean he should get 18 minutes of ice time either.

    • Sap Anderson says:

      Darche tries hard. Should he be getting lots of minutes? No, because he doesn’t help the team in that role

      The same is true of Scott Gomez, except he seems to only try hard offensively. Defensively he can’t back-check worth a damn and is always lost in coverage, thus he hurts the team both on offense and defense.

      He must go!

  27. The Pickle says:

    24 cups, earlier you asked a question along the lines of ” these guys have been shooting hundreds of pucks a week since they were 7, how come they still miss the net?” I’ve always wondered this. These guys are the absolute best in the world, and we still have things like Kovalchuk’s shootout blunder from last year. How come knife throwers never miss and hit the volunteer in the throat? How come Cirque du Soleil performers never screw up and fall from hundreds of feet in the air? It’s always intrigued me how these guys have really perfected their craft, yet athletes still haven’t managed to find the same consistency.

    • knife throwers and cirque du soleil are choreographed acts

      sports are not

    • Chorske says:

      How come knife throwers never miss and hit the volunteer in the throat? How come Cirque du Soleil performers never screw up and fall from hundreds of feet in the air?

      Who says they don’t? There are anecdotes of knife-throwing incidents, and just last year a cirque performer was killed during practice.

      Hockey players aren’t performing a difficult trick alone- they are actively opposed by equally talented players. It’s one thing to shoot a hundred pucks every day, it’s a whole other thing to get two to five shots, under pressure, MAYBE, per game, and make the best of those shots… and meanwhile the opponent is draped all over you or poking at the puck or is tapping your wrists with his stick. Scoring goals in the NHL is HARD- heck, if it were easy, jackasses like ME would do it.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      If you want to see a damn good movie about a knife thrower, “Girl on the Bridge”. I admit it is a narrow genre :-)

      The answer to your question is in 2 parts.

      1. The speed at which the game is played in the NHL is unbelievable, and there is little room, the guys are so big (not OUR guys, but most guys) they have to react instantly.

      2. You can’t think. The legendary Cammi playoff goal against Washington where he bounced it off his knee and then shot it did not involve thinking. It is thousands of hours of muscle memory and pure skill.

      If you think, you are screwed. Kovalchuk probably changed his mind about what he wanted to do. If you think, it’s too late.

      That’s my take, but I am sober.

    • J_P says:

      Knife throwers and Circus performers dont have 250 lbs defensemen trying to separate their body from their heads.

  28. LA Loyalist says:

    Shane, jeez man, Habits is entitled to his opinion, with which I happen to agree, but my point is this is an open forum and the variety of takes is what makes it fun.

    How would you like it if you had employees, and your most expensive guy showed up and actually worked one day out of 50?

    First of all it would piss you off.
    Second of all it would piss off and discourage all your other employees. Third off all your competitors would laugh at you for putting up with him.

    Is that clear enough for you?

    The other point is that some of us, HH, me, Timo (not to speak for any one else, but their posts are clear enough) have a standard of excellence that we expect management to at least try for, if not hit most years:

    The Stanley Cup.

    Not the “Crawl into the Playoffs on our Knees and Choke at Home to Boston and Sell Lots of Beer” Cup.

    Is that clear enough for you?

    Gomez has to go. Martin has to go. Gionta, Gill probably should go.

    We have some great kids coming up. Time to build around Price and PK and Max.

    Gainey’s rebuild was a disaster, the restocking of the cupboard with kids though, for which Gainey and Le Goat can take credit, seems to be coming along.

    Time to move on.

    And how about a little tolerance for diversity of opinion.

    • because you are stating opinion as fact

      perhaps craft your tone a bit so dialogue is actually possible?

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Do they teach elementary logic at CEGEP?

        Fact: have we won a Stanley Cup in the last 17 years? No.

        Fact: Did we choke at home with a two game lead over Boston last year? Yes.

        Fact: Is it the coach’s job to mentally prepare the team for such games? Yes.

        Ergo Martin should have been fired after last year’s playoff humiliation to Boston. And that’s putting it nicely.

        Those are facts, if you want facts.

        Does Gomez suck air? He’s about to go 50 games without a goal. I’ll send the Summit charity $50 bucks if he makes it.

        That’s a fact, too.

        Fact and opinion are different. You can like Martin, you can like Gomez, you’re entitled. But that doesn’t make it factual, actual – or contractual.

        Edit: to cross-eyed, who probably is not an idiot, I was using high-profile facts as an example. We get in a lot of trouble on here when we mix up fact and opinion, that’s all. Facts are that which can be substantiated by evidence: i.e. Gomez 48 games without a goal: fact, i.e. Gomez is a great back checker and good in the room? Opinion.

        That’s the difference.

        :-)

    • I think you should all go read where this all started and the read my post to Chris.

      As for HHH, I don’t care what he calls me. I hope it makes him feel better.

      Shane Oliver
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      hockey@sholi2000.com
      Ph- 204 724 8418

    • J_P says:

      Great post all around.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I guess it all depends on what he accomplishes in that one day of work (in response to how I would feel if my highest paid employee only works 1 out of every 50 days of work).

      If he ends up locking up a billion dollars in revenue for the next year, then he can slack off for the next 49 days of work if he wants. It is all about context, I guess. (I know some big shots who only work a few days a month, but those days are critical to the success of their employeer)

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        weird… randomly placed post. This was supposed to be a reply to LA and his Gomez works 1 out of 50 statement.

        Although, I do agree with LA that playing one out of 50 games is unacceptable for a hockey player

  29. mjames says:

    Where is MB? Is that near Left Field?

    mjames

  30. HabinBurlington says:

    I think it has become obvious that prior to big games, like Boston, this team needs to have a DePearning™.

    It really is of no consequence who is Pearned, but rather the symbolism of this move is critical.

    Future Polls on this site should list employees of the Habs, and it would only be fair that on occasion posters from this site may also need to be an option. Spoked B may be too obvious, but DePearning™ him could be a start.

  31. Bim says:

    Another night, another loss. Win one-lose one! .500 hockey. Yes my calculator works for once! I hate losing to Boston. A breakaway type plyer is desparately needed here. I can’t help but feel everytime I watch this team play that a major trade is in the offing once all of the injured return (hopefully one of those gone will be Gomer who skates a million miles to nowhere and contributes z e r o). The Jeff Carter rumours to Montreal are firing up again with Columbus sucking. He would look good in blue-blanc-rouge. If you are going to pay somebody big bucks you might as well have somebody who contributes. Bye-bye Gomer hello Jeff. If PG sits idley by and does nothing he should be gone. Here’s to brighter days ahead!

    • LA Loyalist says:

      What about the rumours he’s not much in the team player/character department? I have no opinion, but it’s a big consideration.

      We need an “under the radar” steel, like Lupul on the Leafs. I knew (and Ducks knew) he was good, but after his weird (and man, it was weird) illness he needed a change and Leafs grabbed him.

      That’s the kind of deal we need. Or a risky Latendress/Poo type deal where we trade headaches with someone and pray.

      The fantasy league trades we see on here (“Moen for Nash”) ain’t happening.

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        I wanna put a team in your fantasy league if that trade would go through!

        ____________________________________________________
        They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  32. adamkennelly says:

    tough loss…we outplayed em but our lack of true snipers made Thomas look a lot better than he actually was…he was certainly tested more than Price but Price made the best save of the game on Lucic. I think a big body on our 4th line would have helped last night (and every night)..I’m really done w/ Darche – useless.

  33. habsblood82 says:

    We’ll see how we stack up against the Pens…. i kinda hope they dominate us and make Molson realize that the habs team needs improvement.

  34. TOP DAWG says:

    For Chris:

    “Not only is he the best goaltender in the NHL right now (and it isn’t even close)”

    Take a look @ Brian Elliott’s stats.

    Do your reseasrch before you type

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

    • Chris says:

      Thank you for the advice. Now if you would, could you tell me how Brian Elliott did last season?

      Because you will notice that the same comment you cherry-picked my comment from also contained the comment “Luck can get you through a few good months. Exceptional luck might see a guy have one good season.”

      Now, Tim Thomas has been singularly excellent for his last 96 starts in the NHL, including a Stanley Cup run and a Conn Smythe Trophy. He has won the Vezina Trophy in two of the last three seasons, having a hiccup in the middle season which gives a small amount of credence to the idea that Thomas isn’t quite at the Brodeur/Hasek/Roy level yet.

      Brian Elliott has put together a nice 9 game run after 4 not so great seasons in the NHL.

      Can you see the difference?

  35. mjames says:

    Read ABL and noted the implied suggestion to refrain from complaining about Gomez and the power play. I agree that this was a great moral victory and am thrilled that Gomez is trying especially since this helps his teammates. I guess I can’t complain as long as he tries. I do have two questions: (1) How many points do we get for a moral victory and (2) is “trying” really superior to goals and assists?.

    Waiting for our next moral victory as well as watching more of Gomez “trying

    mjames

  36. Neutral says:

    I would like for JM to give Eller a try at center with Darche and Moen on the 3rd line – Gomez centering the 4th line – our top six is good the way they are – it’s worth a try – if it don’t work, hey,go back the way they were. wasting two centers on the 3rd line – no good…

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Gomez would be even more useless on the 4th line. Now, instead of having some talent to help his “playmaking” skills, he would have no talent (cement hands). Combine that with is lack of size and his questionable defensive skills (sometimes good / sometimes horrible) and you have the worst 4th line in the league.

      He only really fits on the top 3 lines (in terms of skill set)… but he is not producing…. maybe he is done, finito, not fit to play in the NHL

  37. HabinBurlington says:

    A for Effort , D for achievement.

    The boys tried their best, however, when playing against a very talented and strong team playing 3 lines and trying to hide 1 defensive pairing it gets difficult.

    While all teams have their share of injury woes, the difficulty for Montreal is that this team has really never been able to ice a complete lineup.

    To me, one of the best aspects of this current Habs team is the unique abilty to form a seamless wave of consistency when playing well. Each line being defensively responsible, and having some counter punch spread out across the lines.

    Currently we are not getting that. It is obvious that our current 4th line as a whole cannot skate with the better teams in this league.

    This team will continue to play .500 hockey until we get some life breathed into it by way of returning players. I am hopeful this will be enough to keep us in the playoff race and once (hopefully) healthy they can make a push.

    Last night many forwards looked gassed, a very intense game with high minutes to the top line and top defenders is straining. Carolina has played better the past couple games, the team needs to try and put them away early in order to roll all players.

    We shall see, time will tell.

    Giving up 1 goal and not winning has its negatives, but also has it’s positives. 2W’s and 1 L to the Bruins so far. They are our measuring stick in our division.

    • mjames says:

      It is a measuring stick if you are beating the other teams but we are not. You could say that TO is measuring stick also.

      mjames

      • HabinBurlington says:

        When I say a measuring stick, it is respect for the Bruins that they currently are the best team in our division in my opinion. Obviously all games are equal points (ridiculous 3 point rule aside) and a team has to beat the teams your supposed to beat. But at the end of the season, if Montreal makes the playoffs more than likely the road goes through Boston. How we match up against them is nice to know. You are correct, it means nothing if we continue to lose games to New York Islander teams.

  38. TOP DAWG says:

    We made Thomas look better then he was last night. but he did make ONE great save with the right pad. He is so out of position it’s not even funny anymore. The Habs shot right into him mosy of the night & could not pot a goal when Thomas was down & out.

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

  39. JF says:

    Can’t be too down about the loss even though I hate the Bruins as much as anyone. Give them credit, they were all but perfect defensively. I guess where we lost the game was on the 6 minutes of powerplay at the end of the second and beginning of the third. First game in about 5 that we didn’t score on the powerplay; and it turned out to be the difference.

    What pleased me the most was how our young defencemen handled themselves. Emelin made a mistake for which Price had to bail him out, but overall he had a very strong game. None of Weber, Diaz, or St.-Denis are physically imposing, but they’re all fast, they move the puck well, they make intelligent decisions. The more experience they get, the better they’ll become. Which makes me think it might be feasible to try and trade Spacek and Gill at the deadline to a contender. They’ll both be gone on July 1 anyway.

    • Ton says:

      your right were going to be strong on D, just wondering if we will have the right mix, meaning Diaz is offensive, so is Weber, Suban’s pedigree is also offensive, nonetheless it looks good. i don’t think you will fetch anything for spacek and Gill!!! your right its out with the old and in with new!

    • 24 Cups says:

      Jane – Is it just me, or do these penalties near the end of a period (that are split) rarely turn into a PP goal?

      As well, we get a lot of shots on goal yet I wonder how many of them are really quality scoring opportunities. These guys have been shooting hundreds of pucks a week ever since they were seven years old, yet they still miss the net. How can a pitcher have a baseball perform magic tricks just as it crosses the plate, yet a forward can’t hit the side of a barn door with a puck?

      Why is it that every time I visit this site after a Bruin game, I have to read about how lousy a goalie Thomas is as he only gets by on blind luck? Have people ever heard of Bower or Hasek?

      I flipped back and forth between the Montreal and Pittsburgh contests. Crosby was unreal. It’s like he was never away from the game. His return has to push the Pens to the forefront of the Eastern conference. Fleury is also looking quite sharp.

      One last question. How the hell did we lose to the Islanders last week? They really looked sad last night. It’s going to take more than just a new arena.

      • TOP DAWG says:

        We lost cause Budaj sucked

        “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

      • Chris says:

        I can’t get the “luck” comment about Thomas either. Luck can get you through a few good months. Exceptional luck might see a guy have one good season.

        Thomas is a great goalie behind the perfect team for his style. No luck involved. He blocks pucks, they clear rebounds.

        And if anything, Thomas has looked more poised and in control this season than in previous years. Not only is he the best goaltender in the NHL right now (and it isn’t even close), he is getting better.

        I think Crosby did the right thing and extended his practice time for some time to make sure that when he came back it was at a level like he had never been away. There’s a lesson there for the Habs with Markov. No need to rush him…let him get up to speed in practice and then unleash him.

        The shot comment is something I’ve long pondered as well. I can’t comprehend how people can tell me that shot quality isn’t important, just volume, when you watch some of our forwards shoot. If they aim for the corners, they miss the net. If they don’t aim for the corners, they hit the goalie in the crest. There doesn’t seem to be much of a middle ground.

      • JF says:

        Steve – A late-period penalty does occasionally result in a goal – like Weber’s goal against Philly which sparked the whole team.

        We got a lot of shots, but no more than half-a-dozen were dangerous. As the game went on, the Bruins kept us more to the outside. But we did miss a couple of open nets – which is always maddening.

        It’s nonsense to talk about Thomas being lucky. You don’t maintain a .938 save percentage for an entire season and win the Stanley Cup on luck.

        The Pens were contenders even without Crosby. He was heading for his best season when he was injured; he seems to have picked up exactly where he left off. And the whole team improved defensively last year when they had to play without both him and Malkin. People like to rag on Marc-André Fleury, but I think he’s become one of the top goaltenders in the League. The Pens are my pick for EC finalists, and probably for the Cup.

        • Chris says:

          Have to agree regarding the Pens…they have to be the favourite if Crosby is truly 100% and didn’t just get a bump from excitement of his return. And Fleury is right there with Price in terms of goaltending…he really came into his own last season (funny to say that of a guy with two trips to the finals, including a Stanley Cup victory!), and has been stellar for the Penguins. They’re stacked everywhere…they just need to keep healthy.

      • G-Man says:

        Firstly, I am glad to see Crosby back and hope he doesn’t get concussed ever again. However, to be fair, those goals Crosby scored were fairly weak and it looked like the Islanders had lost even before the game started.

    • Chris says:

      I’d like to see the Habs move one of Spacek and Gill, keeping the other around for a veteran presence. I would also deal Campoli when he returns, as he is the odd man out when Markov returns.

      • JF says:

        Campoli too. I’d forgotten him. Which would you keep, Gill or Spacek?

        • Chris says:

          Hard to say…I think the team has a surplus of puck-moving defencemen and a deficiency when it comes to defensive players. That would favour Gill.

          But I’m worried that Gill’s swoon this time might be the start of his decline. He’s painfully slow in a league where speed kills. He is a tremendous penalty killer, but that is a role that I think Emelin could be developed into.

          Spacek is a better skater and plays well when he’s on his natural left side. I would probably prefer Spacek to Gill, but I would honestly trade whichever guy brings the most return and happily keep the other.

      • 24 Cups says:

        We never have enough depth on defense and injuries always seem to deplete our ranks. As well, there’s the Markov factor, which is why we signed Campoli in the first place. It would be prudent to maintain that insurance policy moving forward to the trade deadline. With that in mind, I’d like to try and keep all 9 Dmen. White eventually returning to action also plays into the equation in terms of whether we carry 13th forwards or 8 defensemen.

        If everyone is healthy:

        Starting six + sub -Markov/Gorges/Subban/Gill/Spacek/Emelin/Campoli

        Swing man as 12th forward or spare – Weber

        Hamilton – Diaz (doesn’t have to pass waivers, same goes for Emelin and Palushaj). Every other player, including White, must pass waivers)

        The allocation of the parts isn’t important, it’s maintaining them on the roster that counts.

        • JF says:

          Steve – I agree about keeping everyone until we approach the deadline. At that point, I think we should try to move some of them, particularly if we’re out of contention for a playoff spot. But even if we aren’t, it would be good to get some return on some of our impending free agents for once.

        • Chris says:

          Steve:

          When Campoli was acquired, it was due to Weber having a terrible pre-season that saw him pushed up to the 4th line forward role. Now we see that he can handle the workload, so I see no reason for Campoli as an insurance policy on a team that might have Markov, Subban, Weber, Diaz and even Spacek that can all move the puck.

          It is on the defensive side where there are more question marks, and I’m not sure that Campoli helps there. Gill and Gorges are veteran defensive defencemen, but we are all hoping Gill rediscovers his playoff form. This is a risky hedge as he is also getting up there in years and may now be on the decline.

          I would much rather see Markov/Gorges/Subban/Gill or Spacek/Weber/Emelin as the top-6 and keep Campoli as the extra D. At the deadline, I’d deal Campoli, because he’s not going to be here next year so they might as well recover a pick for him if they can.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Chris – the insurance policy was in case Markov gets hurt again later this year.

            Other than that, I can’t see any use for Campoli unless it’s to play him a few games to showcase him as trade bait after Christmas.

  40. Neutral says:

    Very good team – but we’re missing a true sniper – someone whom can make the game a one goal game for us.
    not complaining they out played boston but they couldn’t score – maybe thomas is that good – price is a good goalie also – that’s the way it goes sometimes….

    • Ton says:

      i think we got one in cammi, he could easily have had 10 goals this year. he’s hit posts and Thomas made 2 very good saves on him yesterday. with the breaks like i said easily 10 goals. the injuries have slowed him down also.

  41. CanadienBoy says:

    St-Denis kid look good,as point out by RDS Habs PK is doing find without Gill

  42. The Pickle says:

    Lucic charged and left his feet on the hit, take your pick which one you (should have) called him for. I liked how Emelin handled himself though, wasn’t scared to hit even though he knew the Broonz would target him, and he just took the hits and played his game. Very impressed.

    Also, it’s time to politely Pearn Darche and waive him, this guy contributes nothing.

    • Corson27 says:

      And take away JM’s power play weapon?

      I am sure Darche is a nice guy but if this guy is taking PP minutes on your team then either your team is sad or your coach is.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I like the fact that when I watch emelin he is constantly knocking people down. I have not seen that in years from a player on this team.

      He does need to work at playing solid D, but it is so nice to see the oppenents sprawling after he hits them. refreshing!

  43. stevieray says:

    Can’t win them all.
    Cole can fly can’t he …he should of had one last nite . But all in all a pretty good game and I bet Carey wishes he had another look at the shot by Ference…speaking of that what’s with him losing a skate blade and the Refs stop play ????? that didn’t seem right

  44. Cookies says:

    Was there actually a fight in the stands, at some point, in the game? Not sure if it was at the end of the second period or end of the third.

  45. Mutt says:

    So Sid caught Gomez in the scoring race…. wonder who’s getting the better band for their buck? That the millstone that Gomez is carrying, that’s what 7 million is supposed to look like. OK to be fair no one is that good except Sid but 7 million is a standard that poor Scottie will never again come close too..

  46. Mats Naslund says:

    You think that was a charge by Lucic?

    • Mutt says:

      of course it was, but he is a Bruin. Actually had a Bruins fan who is a good friend (better choice of friend than hockey teams I hope) and he was crying about the bias officiating and that’s why they had 18 shots… WOW just WOW. I was apoplectic.

  47. smiler2729 says:

    Good game, bad result…. If the Habs play like that every game, they win a Cup.

    ___________________________________________________________
    Jack Edwards sucks

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      Ya ahahahahahahaha ya right. Ya this team is gonna win a Cup with that coach. You are a dreamer.

      It was a good game, “predictable” result. Bad coaching decisions putting the wrong players on the ice at the wrong time.

      • Milandar says:

        Totally agree with Habfan4lfe!, I’m not a fan of Gomez but he is not the reason we lost, I’m starting to think more and more that Martin is the culprit.

    • HardHabits says:

      If the Habs play like that every game they’ll lose the 1st round 4-0.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I will argue just for the sake of it. They need goals to win a cup.

      In all fairness, your right on the money that they played a good game. Unfortunately, they have played half a dozen games likes this already this year. Great games with zero or one goal to show for it… sorry man, but until they can play at this level AND score goals, there is no cup in our future.

      I thought these types of games would be outliers, but it seems they are more like the norm. Great game, not enough goals, no two points.

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    “As long as Gomez is on the team and Martin coaches the Habs will not win a Stanley Cup.”

    You may be right, and please don’t take this the wrong way, but its like the 2000th time you’ve typed out a variation of this this season.

  49. G-Man says:

    Repeat ad nauseum after each and every loss. C’mon, HH, you can do better than that.
    Blaming everything on 1 player and 1 coach is a cop out.

  50. Chorske says:

    I have but two problems with Gomez: one, his salary, which handicaps the team from making moves; and two, his ice time. Neither of those are his fault.

    If Gomez were given third line minutes and responsibility, we’d be pleased as punch with him. The problem is that his coach keeps trying to bleed stones.

    Also: there are teams better than the Habs.. but 10-15? No way. I’d be curious to see your list of teams that you think are better. And don’t just copy the standings because those can and do change from week to week.

  51. shhhh, you may catch on to what is going on in these replies to Chris and Timo.

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  52. J_P says:

    Biggest draft blunder of Gaineys tenure: David Fischer two spots before Claude Giroux. Might be the biggest draft blunder in habs history.

  53. mrhabby says:

    ben maxwell right before Milan Lucic?????

  54. LA Loyalist says:

    No, Wickenheiser before Denis Savard is the worst. Though the irony is profound, Wickenheiser was bigger, had great numbers and wasn’t French-Canadien.

    God hates us.

    There’s at least one more cup right there.

    I’m not saying Giroux isn’t nice, but too small for this team.

    Visualize this team with Kopitar and Halak.

    I see Kopitar a lot, he is a stud.

    That’s got to be good for about one thousand posts. :-)

  55. Sap Anderson says:

    I don’t think we would like him as a third-line centre… too many defensive mistakes

  56. Ice level? What on earth kind of hockey do you play?

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  57. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m a huge proponent of a real hard-nosed 4th line. And i think the knee-jerk reaction by Gauthier to call up Blunden and trade for Nokelainen was a feeble attempt at it. He could have done much better over the summer and I don’t think Blunden is the answer to anything.

    When, if ever, White returns I’m hoping Darche is sat down because he has clearly lost some of his effectiveness. There might not be a true heavyweight among them but Moen-Nokelainen-White would be a solid 4th line.

    I have no problem with Martin, I think his methods are best for this lineup. Not much you can do with Gomez. But I’d like Gauthier to be replaced for not making a few important moves over his tenure here.

  58. bleedhabs81 says:

    Oh you editted it. I was hoping you knew a way to clone Moen for the Moen – Nokelainen – Moen line you proposed. This would be a great line until White came back.

  59. bleedhabs81 says:

    winning!

  60. punkster says:

    ^^^^
    This.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  61. J_P says:

    That was going to be my exact response.

    Just to add to it. If you outplay your opponen,t and your opponent is not playing their best game, you have to win. The habs did not provide their best effort yesterday, even if the shot totals would lead you to believe otherwise. They were just as happy to play defensive game against a team who was sitting back, rather than being hungry and aggressive. Thats my biggest knock on the habs. On many nights, they lack hunger and killer instinct. Thats what separates the great teams from the mediocre ones.

  62. Chorske says:

    Agree with Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver. I’ll add Philly if the refs put away their whistles during the game. Not sure about the rest. I think we are competitive with them.

  63. HabinBurlington says:

    Are they showing reruns of Trapper John MD again?

  64. bleedhabs81 says:

    I am not a fan of putting Moen out there (under ideal circumstances)… but if he is the best available option, then why not, right?


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