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Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Quick hits and  About last night …

• Arpon Basu on P.K.

Pierre Ladouceur’s game analysis

Larry Brooks’ game story from the NY Post


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  2. Hagar says:

    What’s happening Storm Man? So did you remember to bet in favour of the Packers? For a $500 fee I’ll tell you the score of the Superbowl.

  3. naweed235 says:

    hey does anybody have a link to that end of the period incident last night when there was a scrum and Gill was taking care of two Rangers at once? I found that hillarious and I just wanna show it to my GF.


  4. OneTimer says:

    Habs red jersey = most beautiful jersey in sports

    Habs white jersey I don’t care that much for. Anyone feel the same way?

  5. Mike D says:

    I agree with you, Ian.  Weber will be much better come playoff time with the experience he’s getting now.

    My suggestion was not to say that Weber would be better playing with Hammer, but that Hammer might be better at covering Weber’s miscues than Spacek is (being that Spacek makes more errors than Hammer does).  In that scenario, everyone still plays their natural side (I think), or at least every left handed D is paired with a righty, and the youngsters are still with the vets.  Wiz being the exception of course since he’s neither a rookie or a vet.

    On the Rags first goal last night I couldn’t help but think that if we had any other pairing out there besides Webs and Spatch, Boyle wouldn’t have been able to muscle the puck past Carey cuz any one of our other D-men would have gotten him out of the way. 

    – Honestly yours

  6. HabsPEI31 says:

    Is it just me, or was Hammer on the wrong side on the PP during one the Habs’ last PP’s of the night? He’d receive the pass, then have to adjust. No way he could let a one-timer go with such an adjustment.


    “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

  7. Storm Man says:

    As for the best jersey in hockey…….. Montreal Canadiens and it is not even close.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  8. JohnBellyful says:

    You’re making me blush.

  9. Storm Man says:

    Habs fans= Hockey experts ;).

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  10. ShangaDoo says: Hehe, looks like a mix between Magneto and Iron Man. I Like

    Love this little bit: “Just as in the NHL, all the teams are excellent in their own unique way, but all of them are made a little more valuable by the presence of the Montreal Canadien”. 

    I need tix for the Captain’s Return…anybody willing to help a girl out?


    “They say you can’t buy experience,and it’s really true.” -Carey Price

  11. Habscat says:

    Just looking at some stats on the leaderboard on TSN. We do not have any player in the Top 30 (front page) in Goals, Assists, Points, +/-, PPG, SHG. WE have a few tied with the bottom guy in the Top 30 but nobody on any of the front pages. Obviously, Naslund and Richer’s 100pt/50g plateau slumps go yet another year, but this is crazy.


  12. LA Loyalist says:

    The trolls sometimes post in white text, just to mess with you.

    As for Calgary, Big Rock and smoked meat are a combo created by G*d, so we can’t be too hard on Flames. Plus Calgary Hitmen have best jersey in hockey – what do you guys think?


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  13. punkster says:

    Trolls? We have very few of those. But we do have a whole bunch of experts, don’t we?


  14. Ian Cobb says:

    Mike, I think Weber would have just as many problems with Hammer as Spacek. Martin and Muller have chosen to put the two rookies with the two vets, Gill & PK, and all of them now play their natural side. Weber lacks the experience, to play with a lot of confidence just yet. But after a few more months of playing at this level and speed, he should be fine for the play offs.

  15. Storm Man says:

    Im happy for the win last night as the trolls did not come on here:). As for the D pairings Lord Martin knows what he is doing. Im going to sit back and watch the football games today and take bets on Mondays Game from all my Calgary friends ;). 


    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  16. Mike D says:

    Anyone else concerned with the Weber/Spacek D pairing?  I watched them very nervously last night, and in reading Boone’s game blog after the game, I saw that I wasn’t the only one.  I like the idea of pairing a left D with a right D, but these two seem like a bad combo in terms of defensive reliability.  Given JM’s love of defense, you’d think he would keep these two apart.  Hopefully he makes the adjustment going forward.  Given our current D roster, I’d much rather see these pairings:

    Gill-Subban – Seems to work and who better than Hal to teach P.K. how to be strong defensively.

    Hamrlik-Weber – Hammer’s also pretty responsible on D (minus the odd gaffe) and can cover for the rookie mistakes Weber might make.

    Spacek-Wiz – Wiz is more reliable on our end than Weber and these two can kind of cover for each other.  Thankfully Wiz has shown to be better in his own end than he was billed to be (although that pass throuh our crease from behind our net last night made me cringe).  Kinda feel like it’s a waste for Wiz to be with Spatcho, but I think it makes our pairings more balanced.

    What do you guys think?


    – Honestly yours

  17. Ian Cobb says:

    Here is where we place in the 30 team league, compare to last week.

    Most important team stat for a winning play off team is the amount of goals that a team gives up against the rest of the league. We have stayed all year between 4th place and 2nd place. Martin sure has us play off ready defensively.

    Now we start to develop the power play and a more consistent manner of face off wins and puck control at both ends of the ice, producing a few more goals for us.

    Not to worry boys and girls, even with our injuries, we will peak at all facets of the game just in time for another great run into this play off season. Although we are sure going to ware out the edge of our seats and our finger nails will be a lot shorter.!

    Goals Against—107,   We are in   4th place.   Last week we were in  3rd place with  99.

    Total Points—– 53,   We are in  12th place.   Last week we were in 12th place with  49.

    Goals For——-112,   We are in  24th place.   Last week we were in 27th place with 105.

  18. Mike D says:

    Thanks for providing these stats, Ian.  Keep’em coming my friend.

    – Honestly yours

  19. CanadienBoy says:

    Faceoff com got a great write on Murray and sure make Gaineys  look good ,talk about ruining a club

  20. LA Loyalist says:

    Thank you Ian, your work is appreciated. I think it illustrates the problem precisely.

    I wanted to tell le gang a little about the Kings/Oilers game from the 7th row last night:

    Dustin Penner. If we can’t get him, we need to model him in replacing several of our forwards. He INSTANTLY got in Drew Doughty’s face when Doughty checked an Edmonton player into the glass and next tuesday, starting brawl (the check was clean if excessive, the guy was admiring the puck).

    While Penner is a somewhat ugly skater, he’s pretty fast for a big guy (and crap he’s big, the top of his thighs come up to the top of the freaking boards) and just thinking of the room he could create for our girls. 

    Taylor Hall. He’s not a dominant player yet, but the talent is obvious. Hopefully they’ll handle him carefully.

    Drew Doughty. Stud. I know he’s ahead of PK on the learning curve but I have a fantasy now of PK and Doughty being rivals for the Norris year after year (this is after Count Chocula is gone, of course).

    Finally, the Kings have been in a bad slump (sound familiar?) and I heard something interesting (privately) from a 10 year+ NHL veteran who was explaining the slump: “None of them are in fear of losing their jobs, and they should be”.

    I thought he was talking about us.

    As for Habs last night, we showed too little killer instinct, what was there was quickly snuffed out by Lundqvist. Not enough and Price held us for the win. A stronger opponent and we would have lost.





    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  21. habsfreak13 says:

    Personally, I wouldnt be surprised to see AK46 go on a tear now. I loved the emotion he showed after he scored last night. Hopefully he’ll build on it.

  22. Kooch7800 says:

    AK is known for his streaks so it very well could happen.  I want to know where this type of play was for the last couple of weeks.

    When AK is on he is a great player.  When he is off he is brutal.

  23. mike g says:

    Studs last night: PK, WIz, Pleks, Ak, Price,Darche, Lundqvist ( what a solid netminder), Boyle, and Gomez….Duds: Cammy( useless if hes not scoring goals), Gaborik, Spacek, Pouliot, Dubinski and Wolski. And once again, both goalies showed why they’re among the top in the game.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  24. HNS says:

    Nice try by the officials on that bullshart call on Gill. I liked the discipline showed by the boys by not taking any stupid penalties and there’s the officials salivating to manipulate the game into OT. Take the pipe Bettman.

  25. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    Thank you Ian, your work is appreciated. I think it illustrates our strenghs precisely.

    Loved seeing Gionta go after Lundkvist when he pilled on top of Patches, great for sticking up for his teamate, not bad for one of our “girls”.

    PK is playing great, hopefully he won’t have as many rough patches in his rookie season like Doughty had 2 years ago.

    Great to see the Candiens on a streak, 5-1-1 in their last 7 starts. Noone should be in fear of losing their jobs, not even AK, did you see how happy he was when he scored! I’m sure glad we don’t have Penner, talk about a lazy player.

    Great win by the Habs last night, PP was awesome, ran into a great goalie, score should have been 6-2. Agaisnt a stronger opponent, it would have been more of a tough battle throughout the whole game.

  26. Ian Cobb says:

    Welcome Paul!

  27. slapshot777 says:

    I know that the faceoff stat is something that is talked about on a daily basis.I watch a game and after a period we are 80% let say and by the time the game is over we either are at 50 % or lower. The stat that should be kept along with that is centremen that are waved out. I have never seen so many centremen waved out on the Habs team on a game by game basis. I have watched other games and yes centremen get thrown out all the time, but it’s on both teams and it doesn’t seem so lopsided.

    If you were to count the times a Habs player gets waved out of the circle has opposed to their opponent, I bet at the end of most games it would be 2 to 1. This marks the low percentage of our faceoffs. when keeping this stat it should be kept something like a baseball stat for walks.

    Everytime a batter gets hit by a pitch or draws four balls he get awarded 1st base but the AB doesn’t count against his overall AB. The same should go for face off percentages anytime a regular centerman gets waved out on either team the faceoff doesn’t count against the overall total. Then and only then would you have a true percentage of draws won by each team.

    So if there were 45 faceoffs in a game and 15 times a centermen gets waved out then you base your percentages on 30 faceoffs.


    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  28. Stooof says:

    Hey on the habs website forum habs hot stove someone posted a link to a swedish website talking about the fate of shea webber in nashville.  Saying that he doesn’t want to stay in a town with more country singers than hockey fans.  Goes on to say that he is on a RFA contract year, and that he will likely sign elsewhere because nahsville wont match a high offer by another team. Said the oilers and the habs will be at the forefront of teh chase for his services.  How about we go for him now?  send some of our young prospects, (the other webber ha) or if they want a big gun for his services give em cammy!  Cammy for webber… what do ya think.

  29. Stooof says:

    actually i take that back.  Cammy is clutch.  Who do we offer up for him, or do we just offer him 5 mill nexy season and try to steal him.  5.5?  offer him hammers contract plus some.  Send the picks his way.  with him on our d we would probably boast the best 6 in the league.





  30. Habnofear says:

    Jeebus Stooof…..I would grab him in a heart beat,he’s what the team needs in the worst way!YA HEAR THAT Mr.Gauthier….

  31. Everlasting1 says:

    Price would loove Nashville lol All country, all the time.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  32. Stooof says:

    Or better yet, swing a deal that involves spacek.  Resign gill next year.  Spacek in a deal for webber would be a good deal for nashville.  He can play a shutdown role, cheaper, one more year……. could we convince the nashville gm of these things??  how about spacek, 1st rounder, Weber for the Webber.

  33. Bryan says:

    Not even close to enough.  We’d have to throw in PK instead of Weber for that to work.


    The Habs are making me slightly less bi-polar.

  34. Mike D says:

    I like the Spacek scenario better and us re-signing Gill.  Not a fan of trading them a 1st round pick though.  Not that he’s not worth it, but it’s possible we may be picking in the top 20 and that could be a very good player.  Also, we have some pretty good D in Hamilton (Henry, Nash) and if we get Shea Weber, then these guys will come to the realization that their hopes of coming into the NHL won’t be with Montreal.

    There’s also the contract $$ thing to worry about.  Marky will get over 5 I’m sure (and maybe closer to 6.5 even despite his injuries), Wiz will be around 4, Shea Weber would be around 5.5-6.0, Gorges will be about 3.5.  Gill would be around 1.5, and P.K. is still on his rookie contract, but we’ll definitely have to pay him more in a couple years.  That’s a lot of money on D for a team that needs a (preferably big) scoring winger.

    I like your idea though, but if we did it, I’d rather we send them Nash or Henry (and maybe a forward prospect) instead of a 1st rounder.

    – Honestly yours

  35. Stooof says:

    Im kind of thinking that the buyer will have the upper hand due to them not being able to resign him.  They are going to want some future prospects and such so a 1st rounder is the ticket.  A vet, a first, and a promising prospect like weber aint a bad deal.  Subban is practically an equal player to weber cept two or 3 years behind.


    any how on the topic of cap hits, you may be right.  he is going to demand a bit of a raise.  5.5 to 6.  But as far as markov goes, no way he take 6.5.  he is going to look down the line at our teams contracts and will take 4.5 to 5.  He hasnt earned himself a big raise, and he is making good money as is.  Injuries like he has sustained will make it easier to take him cheaper. Im sure he recognizes that.  He doesnt seem the type to want to make contracts a pissing contest. I am sure he knows he’s worth about as much as our top scorers.  

     Gorges will go to 3.5-4.

    so when you look at it

    marky 5. -weber 5.5 

    Gorges 3.7 gill 3.

    pk 1.   a call up, or whoever.  we dont really need to sign the wiz if we have weber and markov and pk.

    thats not excessive for ur d. In fact we are currently paying more or close to. 

  36. Mike D says:

    Hey Stooof.  I agree with some of what you say.  The Markov thing is anyone’s guess in terms of what we will offer and what he expects both in dollars and in years.  He likely will give us a bit of a hometown discount because he’s a heart and character guy and he definitely loves Montreal.  My fear is that some other team may come around and offer him 6, and if so, I doubt he would sign here for 4.5.  I also think that some teams would offer big Weber over 6mil, so he won’t sign here for 5.5 especially with Quebec taxes.  If we did sign him, then you are right about us not needing Wiz, but if Wiz keeps playing the way he is then I’m not sure I would take Weber over him considering we would save a few million that we can put towards a power forward.

    There’s no way Gill would get 3mil though so I disagree with you on that one.  He signed for 2.25mil before last season on a 2 year deal cuz we were the only team offering him more than a 1 year contract given his age – and he’ll be 2 years older this summer than he was when we first signed him.  If he wants to stay and we want to re-sign him (which I hope we do), then I’m sure it would be for under 2mil likely on a 1 year deal.  How far we go in the playoffs will also determine his value cuz that’s when he’s at his best.

    – Honestly yours

  37. Ian Cobb says:

    I do them every sunday Mike. Your welcome!

  38. Mike D says:

    LOL, and I read them every Sunday…..just wanted to give you your props :-)

    – Honestly yours

  39. saskhabfan says:

    Thankfully we traded the right goalie to a garbage hockey market. The last commercial i saw during a blues game was if you bought some sort of breakfast meal at mcdonalds you can get 50 bucks off blues tickets.





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• Canadiens using strategy that worked against Washingon: Arpon Basu

• Habs resolve no longer a surprise: Scott Burnside

• Chris Boyle on Jaro Halak


  1. Chartrand1223 says:

    Congrats to the best team in the world, whatever happens we are on our way back up. JM, please put SK74 back in the line-up, guaranteed he will play his heart out and also AK46, all he needs is one shot and MA Fleury is one game from losing his or his team’s confidence in him. It’s in your reach JM don’t mess it up by keeping out the Kost’s and Metro. Listen to the people, look how calling up Subban worked after the fans have been calling for him all season.

  2. ABHabsfan says:

    I remember the WJHC in 09 when PK was playing with Tavares and he was d-man of the tournament; in an interview with TSN he was asked about his spin-move. Apparently it should be refered to as the “Subbi-do”. He named it himself and I guess it gave Pat Quinn a mini heart attack every time. 

  3. SLONCOLD says:

    i’m not saying gomez didn’t deserve it but not like he cracked his stick on a post and then threw it away into the corner. if that stick hit halak in the back of the leg what would the refs or league say?

  4. HabFanSince72 says:

    You also told us you wished Martin could be more emotional, like Bruce Boudreau.


  5. HabFanSince72 says:

    He was partly responsible. O’Byrne didn’t cover himself in glory either on that one.

    But if AK is going to play he should be with Cammi and Pleks. Doesn’t make sense to put him on a checking line.


  6. SLONCOLD says:

    seriously, the play was a joke. I’m am one who thinks if you get a 5 minute major for boarding, hits to the head or hit from behind it’s 3 games suspension min…

    those types of hits are dangerous and the league has to protect it’s players.

  7. alestar says:

    Kirk looks like the singer of a metal band!!     \m/


    XXIV…and counting

  8. Bugs says:

    In-depth report on reasons for Habs succes. Smurf Power.

    Turns out spite has a lot to do with it. 19th place team in top 16  are playing the underdog-all-the-pressure-on-other-team card.

    Ovechkin and Crosby testify.

    Superfluously redundant, I remain

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant-Director of St-Habbie’s Hospital for the Blind, Head Physician of Neuroflannelogy Unit, and Occupational Therapist in Habsbros Emergency Ward:

  9. habs4cup says:

    4 years of AK isn’t enough? and his bro is even worse.

    they’re GONE!  and BTW, AK was responsible for the only Pitt goal!

  10. habs03 says:

    Respond to a free post down below, Subban is something special, I honestly didn’t think he can come up and play 23min vs the Malkin line and handle himself that well. As for the hit, it was dirty and deserved 5 and a game but I looked it a few times, if you see it looks like Bergy might be turning away and I think Adam thought that Berg was gonna turn and he wanted to hit him from the side, so I don’t have a problem with being no suspension, Adam didn’t have any intention to injury imo, as opposed to that DIRTY SHAMEFUL “hit” by Hossa to Hamuis in the last round. As for the Kost sisters, man do I hate them, I hope they are both gone in the summer, but I also think we need, I also think they work better when they are both playing, someone said to both them with Metro on the 4th line, I think that would be perfect, it would mean mean Pyatt would be out tho, or maybe both sisters with pyatt on the 4th line.

  11. Iceberg84 says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Gomez’s penalty was for talking back to a ref in a less than friendly way. I think that’s the difference maker, but I do agree with the other guy’s comment that Crosby has a lot more leeway than other players when it comes to infractions. They’re not going to give their poster boy a game misconduct unless he does something really stupid.

  12. Say Ash says:

    “Restez-vous, MAB! Wait for le stretcher…”

  13. WindsorHab-10 says:


  14. HabFanSince72 says:

    I remember that AK let his man go for the 1st Pens goal yesterday.

    This team needs all 5 players on the ice completely committed to stopping the other team. No other way we can win.

    That means the Kosts are a liability.


  15. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Too early to give up on the brothers.

  16. forskis says:

    Was his response:

    “I just couldn’t believe that I beat him on national Canadian and US television.”

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  17. SLONCOLD says:

    i wouldn’t call it clean… a lil late and it’s boarding… i’ll say it’s a grey area hit…

  18. SLONCOLD says:

    something beautiful died after that question… lol i’m impressed with PK, looks like he has a good head on his shoulders

  19. SLONCOLD says:

    how come that Admas guy isn’t suspended? isn’t there somethign along the lines that if you take a major penatly with 5 minutes left you can be suspended after?

    Funny thing is if they took bergeron off in a stretcher adamas gets 1 or 2 games…..

  20. Psycho29 says:

    What a kid this Subban is. The way he acts on the ice and off you’d swear he was in the league 10 years already.

    I am not sure if anybody else mentioned it, but in his post game interview friggin McGuire asked him “I saw you sitting on the bench in the 3rd period, staring at Sidney Crosby. Was it because you couldnt believe you were playing against him?” What a dumb question.

  21. forskis says:

    The Habs cannot continue to play with fire like this….they need to take the game to the Pens in the Pens’ zone, not take the game to the Pens in their own zone.

    There is no need for retribution against Matt Cooke…it was a clean hit and Markov fell awkwardly, kinda like how Cammalleri fell funny after the Volchenkov hit…players have been complaining about it for a while now:  fights occurring from a clean hit, it is totally unnecessary, fights like that are what is taking hitting out of the game.

    It is also funny to see the media trying to give the Habs credit for continued winning whether ugly or not, especially since those that are giving the accolades are so used to dumping on them…you can feel the cognitive dissonance oozing from the text…like a computer blowing up from a “does not compute” error…

    As for the future of the goalies debate:

    I am not on the trade Price wagon…I am on the “keep both” wagon…Price had a very good first 18 months to his career and a very bad second 18 months…that does not mean that the Habs should toss another prospect to the curb; consequently, Halak has had an awesome recent 18 months and deserves every accolade and is playing up to those Dryden/Roy comparisons (what is odd is that Price got those same comparisons in his first 18 months as well)…in any case, we have no idea how good either goalie will be next season, for all we know Halak could be a bust next season, or Price is a bust next season or both are a bust next season…but one thing to me is clear:  sign both, Halak is the #1, let Price learn from a fellow young goalie who is the hot thing now…one goalie is an insurance policy for the other given the fact that no one knows how their performances will be in the future.  Price cannot complain that Halak is the #1 given the results and performances and Halak cannot complain about Price’s continued presence because he is the #1 and Price is the backup, #1s do not get to pick their backup.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  22. SLONCOLD says:

    didn’t gomez get a 2minute minor and a 10 minute misconduct in the caps series for like a lil bit of roughing and trash talk?

    i love crosby beacuse he is one of the elite players in the league but stop b*tching like a cry baby…..  I really hope he gets caught with his head down and gets crunched…

  23. HabFanSince72 says:

    I forgot the p’tit viking.



  24. Chris Aung-Thwin says:

    agree. give AK and SK another shot along with metro. SK has skills and does anyone remember the AK notched a hat trick vs Washington? put the bros together and let them prove themselves. playing on the same line might give them extra motivation. should they need that extra motivation? NO! but right now we need to be able to roll all four lines and SK74/Metro/AK46 is the best possible option. what was JM thinking with Maxwell?

  25. Fansincebirth says:

    I’m thinking a stern look and a finger wagging….

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  26. Ayan_SB says:

    Just found this. After the game 7 win against Washington. Check out the awesome fist-pump pose by Kirk Muller LOL.

  27. mike g says:

    To answer your question, the answer lies in the 3rd word of the phrase….(hint: the word that starts with “c” and ends with “rosby”)

    That is simply the only explanation.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  28. Connecticut Man1 says:

    I wanted to embed the player but this site isn’t able to take the NBC video player. At least, it won’t take it in comments.

  29. ManApart says:

    I’m thinking 1 game.

  30. ManApart says:

    True, but I would give them back Staal if we could get Markov back. I think The Habs were definately hurt more from the loss of Markov, than Pitt. from the loss of Staal. Over the course of the series, No Markov is devastating for the D, especially if Spacek is not ready to play soon.

  31. anotherhab says:

    Perhaps JM should try the brothers AK & SK together with Metro and see what happens!!!

    Subban is a phenom!  His personality, wit and smile are great to see in a sport that’s lacking such qualities.

    How can Crosby get away with breaking his stick across our net and tossing it in the corner without getting an unsportmanlike penalty?


    “I find your lack of faith disturbing” Darth V

    “Size Matters Not”  Yoda

  32. Connecticut Man1 says:

    NBC’s player runs on java scripts. You may need to update your java to get it to work.


  33. 123456 says:

    repeat offender? serious injury? there will not be a suspension. 

    secret mod

  34. Ton says:

    naslund, I’d say the 86 team had more scoring punch than this current one.

  35. HardHabits says:

    If the playoffs ended today, who would win the Conn Smythe Trophy?
    Michael Cammalleri:  9.36 %
    Sidney Crosby:  19.74 %
    Jaroslav Halak:  33.57 %
    Joe Pavelski:  24.31 %
    Tuukka Rask:  6.51 %
    Mikael Samuelsson:  6.51 %

  36. mike g says:

    Well, I have to say that I “told many of you so!”…..

    When PK was sent down at the beginning of the year I was pissed. I thaught he had what it took to skip the AHL process. Later, I realized it was good for him to dominate down there, since he had never played with pro’s. But when he was called up against the Flyers, I realized he was ready. He was our best player for 2 games, hands down. PK should have stayed here for the remainder of the season…

    The only, and I repeat only reason why he was sent back to the AHL was because Habs management was scared. Scared to “ruin” another good prospect. Where they failed though was in the evaluation of each individual that they ruined over the past decade. PK is special. Throw him in a cage with lions and he will fight. He’s a unique character and person, and they should have seen that physically, mentaly and maturity-wise he was ready for MTL…

    They realized it now, and look how he’s playing….

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  37. habs-hampton says:

    don’t forget, game 3 in ’93 went into overtime. If they lost that one, history is not made… but they did win it! and the rest IS history.

    You never know…

  38. habs-hampton says:

    more like Rocky against Mr. T.

  39. habs-hampton says:

    Don’t forget, he now has a full year of pro experience under the watch of one of the best teachers in the game. I’m sure he would have learned at the NHL level as well, but who knows how his development would have gone. 

    Just look at how the Leafs have set back Schenn’s development, to see how an experiment can go bad.

  40. idle says:

    These days their telling us that the Pens will win in 5


    It’s a MAB MAB world.

  41. Iceberg84 says:

    I don’t think you can call a game where one team outshot another 39-21 dull. If you want to know what a dull game is, see the Habs-Flyers matchup from December:

    THAT was a dull game.

    Yesterday was like a stanley cup finals game 7, winter classic and olympic gold medal match rolled into one compared to that flyers-habs game.

  42. habs-hampton says:

    I imagine they’ll decide on Crosby’s suspension at the same time…  LOL

  43. HardHabits says:

    You can look back as far as you want on my posts and I always said leave him in Hamilton for the year, let him see a few NHL games near the end of the regular season and bring him up for the playoffs, IMHO of course.

  44. WAR72 says:

    I find it very satisfying to see the Habs all over the front page. They get very little coverage during the regular season, so to see all sorts of stories and videos with cammy or  halak is awesome.

    go habs go!

  45. CHsam says:

    As some of you guys have been saying, their loss of STAAL is huge. IMO, its given us some room to exploit that hole and give us some manoeverability… we can do this!

  46. habsfaninboston says:

    I’m guessing by the end of the day today.

  47. HabFanSince72 says:

    1993 was different for two reasons:

    First, it was a weird year where all the top teams got knocked out by someone else. Of the top 8 teams in the league that year, we only beat the Nordiques.

    Second, the team in front of Roy was actually pretty good. WHen Guy Carbonneau is your third line centre you have a decent team.

    I think if we go far it will be more like 1986, where you have a very young hot keeper and not much of a team in front of him, except for a handful of very good players (Robinson, Gainey, Chelios, Bobby Smith).

    Sadly, I think it will be more like 2004 …





  48. Shublips says:

    A bit of a dull game, but it worked.  The Habs beat the Pens yesterday the same way they beat the Caps: Hermetic defense, keeping the shooters to the outside, taking away rebounds/second chances, Halak playing well, and scoring timely opportunistic goals.

    That is the formula the JM is preaching and it is working in shutting down the big guns.  Now, there is still plenty of race track to go but I still feel that the Pens an a very beatable team. 

    Go Habs Go!

    Habs on Facebook: on Twitter: on

  49. nick says:

    Any idea when we’ll hear word on MAB hit from yesterday?

  50. smiler2729 says:

    There is a difference though mentally for P.K. knowing he was called up to replace an injured player (Spacek) is a little easier than being called up with massive expectations to contribute.

    He’s earning it.

  51. BeachHabFan says:

    thanks for the link, but i couldn’t get it to work. maybe it’s a cross border thing.

  52. smiler2729 says:

    1993 started with going down 2 games to none to a up-and-coming high scoring Nordiques team (47-27-10) with Joe Sakic, Mats Sundin, Owen Nolan, Steve Duchesne and Mike Ricci. Montreal stormed back and upset them in 6 games. Suspect netminding by hasbeen Ron Hextall and their youth was their downfall. Very similar to this season’s Washington team (Ovie, Backstrom, Semin, Green, Laich and hasbeen Theo).

    So yeah, it’s beginning to look a lot like 1993 except for this round we are the ’93 Islanders about to knock off the defending champ Penguins… we’ll see though, let’s not get ahead of ourselves and jinx it.

  53. Iceberg84 says:

    Some nice praise for Halak from ESPN (which is a shocker since they rarely have nice things to say about Canadian teams). They’re picking him as their leading candidate for the Conn Smythe Trophy after the first round:

    Conn Smythe Watch: Halak at the top

    After authoring an historic upset, Montreal’s Jaroslav Halak holds
    down the No. 1 spot

    The Puck Prospectus metric GVT (goals versus threshold) allows us to compare
    players at every position to determine who the true leaders are. In the
    first round, our eyes and the numbers match up: Montreal
    G Jaroslav
    was the top player, backstopping the Habs back from a 3-1
    series deficit to upset the Washington

  54. lavie says:

    Thanks for the link.

  55. says:

    Last week I called into the Team990 to let Tony M know that I was truly disappointed with his Lets Tank the season Poll (January). Basically his spin was at the time it was the right thing to do. My rebuttal, every team’s goal is to make the playoffs, there is no other goal, and that once there, anything can happen.

    Sure there are exceptions…Oilers are a good example. Losing most of their top players early pretty much gives them the number one pick this summer.
    But up until they lost Khabby, Surray, and Hemsky their goal was to make the playoffs and win the cup.

    They Call Me Shane

  56. avatar_58 says:

    Btw I’m not one of those “I told you so!” types……but PK F SUBBAN. No they said – he’s not ready. He’ll make rookie mistakes they said.

    BULLSPIT. PK is the real deal. You should have believed. He was one of the main reasons to watch those bulldogs games. Much like Kovy used to do he gets you out of your seat. Only he does it EVERY SHIFT not just once in a blue moon.

    Just wait till he gets going. He’s 20 and hasn’t even had a full season yet. Once he learns the NHL ropes he will be unstoppable.

  57. HabFanSince72 says:

    Knee. Season probably over.

  58. nickster13 says:

    Im very proud of our team, guys like Gionta and Cammalleri, Gorges and Gill especially, make me proud since they work so hard, and right now are getting results.

  59. avatar_58 says:

    I love PK Ian but I’m not sure that’s wise. A 20 year old captain in Montreal? Yikes. Let’s just let the guy do what he does best and not worry about carrying the team. Give the C to someone who is a leader and well prepared for it – of which we have SEVERAL good candidates.

  60. habfan53 says:

    The HABS play reminds me of the Ali / Foreman fight in ZAIRE. Montreal is just playing rope a dope with the opposition. They are letting them shoot themselves out then POUNCE on mistakes.

    This will work so long as Halak is solid and the get to the rebounds first. 

  61. Ian Cobb says:

    Read all about it!!

    PK comes to play his game as advertised. Now you see why no one was named captain as yet!

    We will have a 20 year captain towards the end of next year. Like Pittsburgh had a couple of years ago..

  62. ed lopaz says:

    Habs hockey = Smart hockey we work as a team, and we win as a team. we play 5 man defence – not just 2. we play with energy we play with Subban in markov’s place – could have been with us since the Olympics, but nevermind that.

    Ian – I really hope you are right!!


  63. Ton says:

    great post.  what if the kost brothers woke up and start tearing it up. it could mean the fine line between a cup or not. its obvious their striking, question is why. even if they have a dislike for Jm their hurting their own cause. please wake up, perhaps this is a good gainey project since he is still involved.

  64. Fansincebirth says:

    What if….Halak stays hot in the playoffs?

    What if….our Dmen continue their incredible play?

    What if….Cammy continues his pace?

    What if….we remain ‘lucky’?

    What if….this isn’t a fluke but an actual game plan that is swirling around in JM’s head?

    What if….we continue to bend but not break?

    Ever think you’d see our Habs in the second round of the 2010 playoffs?

    Please, for the love of God, could we get a little more offence from those who are supposed to be able to score? You know who you are…..

    Do you remember 1993? I do and 2010 is starting to have the look and feel of it. I know we haven’t won anything yet, but, what if…..

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  65. Ton says:

    yeah your right dude, thats what its all about, get even. go after someone and jeopardize a win. the hit was clean by the way.

  66. Connecticut Man1 says:

    The video is here on the right sidebar at the top:


  67. Connecticut Man1 says:

    The kid is living out the dream. A call up for what might have been only a few games and then stepping up for 23 minutes of quality play when the number one guy goes down and not looking out of place in the lineup.

  68. Ian Cobb says:

    100 years experience

    posted by Ian Cobb at 18h57 EST on May 2


    I had to edit this from yesterday. Friendly Dave pointed out some errors in my text. Thanks Dave! (punkster)


    What I love the most of all is no one believes it is possible for us
    to knock off last years champs. It is just great watching the facial
    expressions of were they ever lucky.

    They have not got a clue that we have one hundred years of learning and
    playing winning hockey. Do they think that we just got off the boat or
    This game at this level is not purchased with one or two giant
    contracts, it is won by a team of players, coaches and management with
    100 years of experience in how this Stanley Cup contest is won or lost.

    Winning is adjusting to your opposition and defeating them. It does not
    have to be pretty, it just has to be a game plan with total team
    If we take Crosby or the big”O” and nutralise them, their team becomes
    disoriented and they lose confidence. they start to fold there tent and
    scratch their heads in bewilderment.
    One or two players do not make a TEAM.

    We have a century of
    knowing what a real team is and how this cup is won. Just think that
    one out of every four years we have put our stamp on this silverware
    over the last 100 years. Is this year another.?

  69. avatar_58 says:

    This kid is easily one of my favs. How can you NOT love em?

  70. Ian Cobb says:

    I told you so crowd is my gang, and we have been having a ball for months!! Another month of hockey to go boys and girls!!!

  71. steadyjake says:

    Anyone heard anything on Marky? Im afraid it was his achilles again. That would be really bad — like career-ending. Also, what’s the point of Maxwell and Darche if they are going to play less than a minute? Bring up a goon, then, and send him after Cooke.

  72. habfan53 says:

    You have to LOVE PK’s attitude

    “I’m not going to focus on myself right now,” Subban said. “This is the playoffs and it’s about the team. If they ask me to fill the water bottles, I’ll fill the water bottles.”

  73. BeachHabFan says:

    lots of talk about uncalled penalties by Pens and US sports writers makes me think we’ll see a bunch of holding/interference calls go their way next game

    in the interim – anybody catch PK’s interview w/ McGuire on NBC – not a bad way to step out onto the national stage. can’t find it on youtube so if anyone can find and repost please do

    enjoy your off day, get some rest before tomorrow

  74. ed lopaz says:

    Habs hockey = Smart hockey we work as a team, and we win as a team. we play 5 man defence – not just 2. we play with energy we play with Subban in markov’s place – could have been with us since the Olympics, but nevermind that.

    The best hockey minds in North America did not think we could do what we’re doing.

    I don’t blame anyone – including myself – for pointing out that this team has obvious weaknesses.

    I don’t blame anyone – including myself – for doubting that Martin could coach a lesser team and win.

    There is a time to blame.

    This is a time to celebrate and enjoy being a Habs fan!

    Halak fans and Price fans.

    AK and SK fans. ( if there are still any left. :-) )

    PK fans.

    Gill fans.

    Enjoy the ride!!


  75. twocents says:

    I don’t read the comments section as thoroughly as I used to, so I am curious; What are the people, who told anyone who saw hope in this lineup, that this team wouldn’t make the playoffs and if they did it would be 4 or 5 and out, saying these days? You know the “mark my words” crew’? The “you don’t know anything about hockey”, bunch. What are they telling us these days?

    On a side note, what does the “tank brigade subsection” have to say?  Huh? ;o)


  76. Lancer says:

    This trap-and-pray system seems to be working great—-Ha-ha , love it!

  77. says:

    I hate it but if it gets us a crack at the cup then all will be forgiven.


    They Call Me Shane

  78. JustSomeguy says:

    I think I get it; most teams use the trap so that grinders can slow down talent. Montreal’s using small, talented players to screw up talented, physical players. The Habs are using the trap, not to compensate for lack of talent, but to compensate for lack of physicality. Honestly, the difference in weight and height between the Pens and Habs isn’t great, but the Pens have players who lay on the body AND can score.

    After that, Montreal’s letting the opposition wear their arms out shooting from 20 or 30′ out, and then they’re using their speed to grab any rebounds Halak gives up. It’s a work of evil genius.

    Does anyone remember Keane and Carbo from ’93? That was another improbable run; sure, the Habs relied heavily on Roy’s spectacular play (and coming back strong from a freaking appendectomy), but Keane and Carbo became largely responsible for today’s interference penalty by their spectacular use of picks … just like today’s team has amped up the trap.

    I’m not sure the Pens can beat the Habs’ trap; the traditional means of doing so is with speed and slick passing, but Montreal has shown itself adept at using its speed to break up passing and shooting lanes. But I do think the Pens can lay on the body to clear out Montreal defenders so that they can get players carrying the puck through the crease (Cooke’s goal) or grabbing their own rebounds.

    Something I haven’t seen many people mention is how efficient Montreal is at converting shots into goals; Varlamov, Theodore and Fleury, all decent goalies, have gosh-awful save percentages against Montreal.

  79. HalGillsNumberOneFan says:

    Anyone know when the Brossard Practice is today?

  80. Harani says:


    “I gotta feeling…that tonight’s gonna be a good night!”

  81. avatar_58 says:

    Can we have a win that isn’t nerve wracking? PLEASE??

  82. Sambaguio says:


    Halak is beaming right now, “Look, Gainey, I’m the REAL number 1. Your so-called ‘thoroughbred’ is sitting on the bench.”

  83. HardHabits says:


    Opportunistic goal scoring and timely saves. Shades of ’86 IMHO.

    We need a better effort from the remaining forwards that are seeing limited ice time to make a 4th line that can bring energy, occasionally pop some in and not be a defensive liability. The Habs have won the last 4 of 5 games playing 3 lines. I am concerned the top 9 forwards might get gassed soon, but hey if they can hold out this round and two more after that who am I to complain.

    If it’s the case that 3 lines are better because all three lines buy into the system and are playing in a way that doesn’t allow them to burn themselves then I can see the value of dressing 7 defensemen and making a 4th line by committee. At least have two other forwards that can see some ice time and bring some damage to the opposition. I don’t see the value in dressing bench warmers.


  84. G-Man says:

    JM identifies who is bringing it within the system and they play. Those that don’t get to sit. The coach doesn’t plan to play them 1 min or 2. Their play determines their ice time. Guess what? Those with few minutes did not play well.

  85. HugeHabsFan says:

    I like your thinking.  I think you could be right and as Sholi says – if it gets us a crack at the cup… ;o)


    “Thank you Cammy for making my day even more amazing!”


  86. HardHabits says:

    It’s what the Habs have to work with in terms of personnel.

    It’s the type of play I thought the Habs were going to use in the regular season given the coach and players brought in. The Habs played a lot of run and gun this year in games they’ve won. Now in the play-offs they’ve gone into a defensive system and given the play of the D in the regular season it’s quite frankly hard to believe they’re getting it done with such success against high octane teams like the Caps and Pens. But I am glad to see them doing it now, and successfully at that, when it counts. It’s not pretty, but it’s effective.

  87. HabFanSince72 says:

    There are  shades of 86 except in 86 we didn’t lose Larry Robinson in round two.


  88. TheMostCupsPeriod says:

    It’s very comical to see the regular season naysayers leading the Habs bandwagon through the playoffs……

  89. idle says:

    After giving up 4 PP goals in game 1 I was worried that the magic was all used up against the Caps.  Was nice to see Gorges and Hall Kill back at it for game 2.


    It’s a MAB MAB world.

  90. Corio says:

    OMG Crosby is more a whiney biotch than I ever thought!

  91. adam76 says:


  92. HardHabits says:

    I agree. My hope is that those that are warming the bench wake up, smell the coffee and start buying into the system. SK needs to get into those dirty zones. AK needs to lay on the body and score. I am tired of those two being meaningless. Why can’t they follow the example set by those that are leading the team?

  93. Frank2468 says:

    I’m wondering if anyone knows the lyrics in English to the Habs theme song “Bleu Blanc Rouge”.  I’ve heard since I was a kid but never totally understood it.  Here is a link to it, anyone please help would be appreciated.

    Go Habs Go

    PS I was in Niagara Falls on the weekend and I saw this T-Shirt that just made me laugh to point of tears.  It read “F**k Leafs Nation”  on the front and went on to say that “The reason this t-shirt is black and has white print is to remind all Leafs fans that the last time their team won a cup hockey was broadcasted in black and white.  On the back it read in big bold type Losers Since 67


  94. HabFab says:

    One of our original posters “DD” from Ottawa makes them.

  95. Natrous says:

    Any update on Spacek and his inner ear infection? Also, is there a timeline when Markov’s injury status will be updated?

  96. punkster says:

    Three items:

    1) Up until this morning I was totally against seeing the K bros in the lineup again. I won’t go into why, yet again. However after reading all the media reports and some of the comments on HI/O I’m not so sure. I don’t see how we can continue forever running only 3 lines and dressing a few castoffs just to play a couple of ineffectual minutes each. So I’m changing my opinion. Dress the Ks and put somebody with them to make up the 4th line. Don’t split other lines up just to make room or insert them on the top 3. Give them the opportunity to play together. It may be a dangerous experiment but given the talents they (sometimes) possess it may also be an unexpected surprise.

    2) I notice many posters keeping their optimism in check. I understand the sentiment as I am also struggling to stay grounded. However (and why would I bring this up if it wasn’t for a “but”) while I realize Jaro has kept us in these games I must also acknowledge that the D has been surprisingly good, our money players have produced when required and our coaching has been effective. In other words this is more of a team victory than simply due to the single (and yes, heroic) efforts of one player.

    3) Finally I note that there are also a small number of posters who temper their optimism with the continuing concern for our future Cap space. I respect many of these posters so I certainly won’t slam them for their views. However (and there’s that “but” again) I really have to tell you…lighten up, enjoy the moment, analyze the present, look forward to game 3, focus on this series and let the future unfold as it may. We’re here today because of those signings and without them we’d be golfing.

  97. Rudy says:

    Great Post! Especially #3!!

  98. dh says:

    1- Agreed.  I don’t claim to understand what the problem is with either of these guys but I’ve seen both of them do things that make them worth a shot – especially over just having Maxwell sit on the bench for 59 minutes.  I mean AK has the only hat trick for us so far in the post season and SK plays very well on PK.

    2- With you 100% here.  These guys are showing a lot of character against the top teams in the league.  I just wish they’d get more than two goals up some time so that I could save money on Bushmill’s.

    3- Yep.  

  99. JF says:

    Great post.  Agree right along the line.  I don’t think the brothers K have had any chance to play together this season, yet last season they were often very effective together.  They have infinitely more talent than Darche and Maxwell.  They could be used sparingly at first, then given more ice-time if they respond well.

    I agree that this is a total team effort.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen such dedicated team play and such hermetic defence as I saw in Game 6 against the Caps, and the team has been playing the same way since.

    Whatever happens the rest of the way, this is worth enjoying.  The team is showing they have the character and the grit for playoff hockey.  Even if we bow out this series or next, valuable lessons will have been learned for next season.  We have a great core group, and some minor changes over the summer should result in a really good team.

  100. G-Man says:

    1. No- too risky. The goal they allow could be the difference between winning and losing.

    2. Don’t get too excited until the 3rd round. lol

    3. Cap space is for the team’s penny counters to worry about, not me. I am definitely enjoying this unexpected rollercoaster ride!

  101. idle says:

    Sorry but I can only agree with points 1, 2 & 3.


    It’s a MAB MAB world.

  102. Ian Cobb says:

    That a boy Dave. Great post.

    I will reserve comment on the K boys, MAB, and Pouliot for the end of this season.

    Enjoy the ride my friend!

  103. Sambaguio says:

    I’m so very thankful that Gainey is out of the picture, or he would have insisted on using Price in net, when Halak is clearly showing that he is the #1 goalie. Go Halak!! YOu proved the non-believers wrong. Cup 25, here we come!!!

    Halak is beaming right now, “Look, Gainey, I’m the REAL number 1. Your so-called ‘thoroughbred’ is sitting on the bench.”

  104. smiler2729 says:

    For ****’s sake, can we not put this kind of BS behind us? Why does somebody always have pop in with an anti-Gainey or Price slag??

  105. ZepFan2 says:

    You forgot to thank Gainey for the solid acquisitions he made…ie: Cammy, Gomez, Gio and Gill, just to name a few.

    Also, drafting PK wasn’t so bad either.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  106. forskis says:

    You mean the Gainey conspiracy where he tells JM, a veteran NHL coach of 1000+ games, which goalie to play?  Have you been able to find the pre-signed Koivu renewal contract in Gainey’s desk which was supposed to 100% exist?  It would go well to have both conspiracies in hand…

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  107. Propwash says:

    FYI, Gainey is still very much in the picture.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  108. habsman-itoba says:

    You’re ****ing kidding, right?

  109. forskis says:

    Imagine that….a GM who has faith in his prospects through good and bad, that is like Chicago trading Kane, Toews and Sharp for not winning the Cup now that their three-year entry deals are over, or the Pens trading Crosby and Malkin away after their three-year entry deals ended with no Cup…meanwhile, we dump on JM for benching a still young SK74 after ONE mistake….

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  110. showey47 says:

    gainey had price traded for vinny at last years draft. so much for your theory about gainey.

  111. lavie says:

    Courtesy of Connecticut Man1, here are some great clips from NBC sports:

    Canadiens frustrate Crosby, Pens in Game 2 (Click on Subban’s link)




  112. TripleX says:

    Ok JM, we all know you have a problem with the K Brothers.  Whether it is justified or even hockey related is irrelevant at this time of the year.  How do you justify not playing two highly skilled players when a little more offense can be the difference between success and failure?

    Play them on the fourth line if you must with Metro.  You are only playing the fourth line one shift a game anyway so it is a no risk play.  If they actually work then you can play them more and give the the top two lines some relief.  Doesn’t this make sense???

  113. forskis says:

    I agree…then which three do you take out?  Metro, SK74 and AK46 in…Darche, Maxwell, and…?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  114. HabsTrueBlue says:

    A lot less backchecking can also be the difference between success and failure!

  115. G-Man says:

    Only players who are committed to playing 100% and are buying into the program play. SK and AK don’t, so they get to watch. Calling 1 or 2 shifts “no risk” is wrong. Pitts scored when AK was on, watching instead of doing.

  116. Habs_Fan_1 says:

    “If they actually work”

    Shouldn’t it be a given this time of year that a player works? Why would you suit up SK when he has no idea how to play the game without the puck? He should get ice time, in Hamilton. He has not shown that he is an NHLer.

    While it would be nice to not rely on the big guns as much, would you rather advance a round with tired players or get eliminated with well rested players?

  117. forskis says:

    Hey folks….is there a place in Vancouver where Habs fans tend to congregate to watch games…or at least is there a decent place in downtown Vancouver to watch the game?  I remember a sports bar near the Vancouver Public Library that may be a good spot, I just do not know if it is still there.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  118. TripleX says:

    Just TWO roster changes as AK is already on.  Maxwell and Darche who have played 3 minutes the WHOLE series can easily be sat down.  Do you really think SK and Metro for Maxwell and Darche is a downgrade?

  119. Bob Barker says:

    I agree. Both Metro and SK74 are big upgrades over Maxwell and Darche. Maxwell struggled to contribute during the regular season so I don’t think he’s ready for playoff hockey. 

    Everyone blaming only AK46 on the first goal needs to stop hating on the guy so hard. It was poor recognition by everyone in a Habs jersey. Goligoski lined up at left wing for the draw at which point AK46 should not have lined up at the faceoff and instead covered Cooke. Maxwell got beat off the draw and didn’t stick with his man. 

    Both D over-committed to the puck carrier leaving Cooke wide open. 

  120. forskis says:

    Sorry…completely forgot that AK46 is already playing…I do not think it is a downgrade…I agree with you completely…SK74 and Metro in and Darche and Maxwell out…a 4th line that could do some damage…at least that line would attack and fore-check more often.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  121. HabFanSince72 says:

    It’s not just the  goal yesterday. It’s also his performance in game 1.


  122. Bob Barker says:

    His attitude is less than ideal and is definitely capable of more but playing him with Darche and Maxwell is not a good idea. Play him with his brother and Metro and I think you have a solid line capable of generating some offense. The brothers play well together and they both seem more involved in the game when on a line together. Playing only 3 lines is in all likelihood not sustainable for a long a series and Darche and Maxwell are not very good options. 

  123. notbigbird says:

    Silly isn’t it? I don’t think any GM is going to tell JM whom to play.

  124. Sambaguio says:

    Haha. Then you don’t know Gainey. Carbo played Halak, he gets  fired. Came in Gainey as coach, played Price even when he kept giving softies, and humiliated Halak for not playing him even one second. Tell me Gainey does not control his coaches. His exact words, “Price is my Thoroughbred!” Gainey is going to ride him until he gets run out of town or until he wakes up with Price’s head in his bed.

    Halak is beaming right now, “Look, Gainey, I’m the REAL number 1. Your so-called ‘thoroughbred’ is sitting on the bench.”

  125. habsman-itoba says:

    You’re ****ing kidding, right?

  126. HabFanSince72 says:

    Carbo wasn’t fired for playing Halak.

  127. Propwash says:

    Carbo was fired cause he lost the room.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  128. Psycho29 says:

    You should go cheer for the Leafs

  129. forskis says:

    Um…wasn’t Carbonneau fired because the Centennial team was wetting the bed as a whole?  BTW…Gainey said, “He’s a thoroughbred.” not your made-up quote.

    Coaches are a proud bunch, they do not get told what to do, they would rather quit.  Again, where is the proof?  Also, Gainey called Halak the best goalie in the AHL who should be in the NHL…what kind of disrespect is that?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  130. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Hmm let’s see the reality vs the myth. The last two complete months with Gainey as GM.

    – Jan 2010. Halak plays 7 games; Price plays 6 games.
    – Dec’09. Halak plays 9 games; Price plays 8.

    Yes you are right. Gainey was obviously controlling Martin and forcing him to play Price.

  131. Sambaguio says:

    It’s not BS. It’s a fact. Deal with it.  Halak is number 1. Price is a backup. Gainey is a goner.

    Gainey ALWAYS disrespected Halak even when it was obvious who needed to be in net for the Habs to win. Halak’s people made the request for more playing time or a trade. Gainey decided that he was going to trade Halak, but only when he got a suitable return. Halak started playing well and Gainey told them he was still going to trade him. Thank God, Prlce-lover Gainey is gone! Im just thankful. That’s all!

    Halak is beaming right now, “Look, Gainey, I’m the REAL number 1. Your so-called ‘thoroughbred’ is sitting on the bench.”

  132. ZepFan2 says:

    “Gainey is a goner.”


    “Gainey will stay with the front office in an advisory role.”

    Ignorance, thy name is Sam!


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  133. HabsTrueBlue says:

    You really have some issues.

    If you knew anything about Halak’s character (no he’s not a whining complainer like you) you would quickly remove that stupid non-quote from the end of your posts. You embarass yourself.

    People bash Gainey for “appointing” Price as the goalie of the future. Instead of making him earn it.  Yet here we are with a goalie (Halak) who was not appointed and has earned his #1 role and Gainey still gets bashed!

  134. Sambaguio says:

    Gainey is only there for advice but he no longer controls the coach’s decision who plays on net. The current GM Pierre Gauthier made sure of that. No more Halak humiliation this year and beyond.

    Halak is beaming right now, “Look, Gainey, I’m the REAL number 1. Your so-called ‘thoroughbred’ is sitting on the bench.”

  135. Bob Barker says:

    Every Habs fan is happy that Halak has played so well this season and is getting the recognition he deserves but your obsession with the guy is worrisome, put down the hair doll and get help. 


  136. SeriousFan09 says:

    If you think Gainey was telling JM who plays in nets on a given night, you have a tinfoil hat that rivals that of a Red Wings fan.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  137. habsman-itoba says:


    You’re ***ing kidding, right?

    “Gainey ALWAYS disrespected Halak “

    “he was going to trade Halak, but only when he got a suitable return”

    Your two points, you know, sort of kind of look like they contradict themselves, don’t they?

    So, he disrespected him. But didn’t trade him for a bag of pucks (kind of a show of respect, yeah?), and sought a quality return for a quality player (Oh, so you mean that he DID see Halak’s quality).   

    Please, show some respect for Mr. Gainey.  If I could contribute to this historic franchise .01% of what he has contributed, I’d never stop smiling.

    I’m neither a Pricer nor a Halaker, I simply love The Habs


  138. forskis says:

    Um…if Gainey calling Halak the best goalie in the AHL who should be in the NHL is a sign of disrespect…imagine if Gainey really did not like him?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  139. ZepFan2 says:

    “Gainey is only there for advice but he no longer controls the coach’s
    decision who plays on net.”

    Yet you offer no proof whatsoever to back up your BS accusation.

    Add that to the fact you have to go out of your way and make up a quote.

    Your BS quote: Price is my thoroughbred.

    Actual quote: Carey Price is a throughbred.

    Ignorance thy name be Sam.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  140. TripleX says:

    I went into great detail on this subject on another section so I won’t go over it again.  To blame ONLY AK for this goal is beyond silly.  It was a total breakdown of the entire five man unit plus the goalie and coaching staff.  Pens had a Dman playing opposite AK on the faceoff with Cooke floating.  The coaches should have picked that up……yes so should have AK.

    The whole play was a massive F-up from having that unit on in the first place in that situation to missed coverages.  Instead of accepting some of the blame JM put it ALL on that line which was benched the rest of the game.

  141. G-Man says:

    That’s why 3 of the 5 man unit got to sit. Which 3 didn’t do what they were assigned to do?

  142. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Sometimes a coach needs to give ice time to the players that he believes will get the win. I can’t blame JM for shortening the bench. In game 1 he rolled 4 lines. In game 2 he probably hoped to get more minutes out of the 4th line especially with AK on that line. Unfortunately the Habs were quickly down a goal which happened when the 4th line was out. I guess JM would rather tire out his more effective players and win vs giving more ice time to less effective players and losing. It’s not about blaming anyone it’s about the team winning.

  143. Fansincebirth says:

    Welcome to Bettman’s version of the NHL….. *sigh*

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  144. adam76 says:

    Hot woman are always welcome.  ALWAYS.



  145. Fansincebirth says:

    I concur :o)

    just saying….ya know?

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  146. crabvader says:

    I know we won and I’m happy and all… but how bad was the officiating in the third?

    Calling a hold on Bergie had me seriously boggled. The guys on CBC were watching the replay and just went “uhh… that’s…a holding penalty…”

    And later when Moore skated in the zone on the PK, he was held, tripped and hooked all at the same time by Kris Letang and the color guy from CBC even said the refs completely missed that call.

    And I mean you can’t tell me Bergeron’s “penalty” was more blatant than what Letang did just moments later.

    Also, it’s not like they couldn’t see Letang because that’s where the play was at.

    I get most of my hockey watching stress in the third because of the horrendous officiating always giving the opposing team golden opportunities to get back into the game.

  147. HabFanSince72 says:

    The officiating for Detroit – San Jose  last night was also ridiculous.


  148. habsman-itoba says:

    I get most of my hockey watching stress listening to the dorks on CBC.

  149. forskis says:

    The MAB call was fine…the camera only caught the penalty from the left side…from the left side you cannot see anything, but the penalty occurred when MAB grabbed the player with his RIGHT HAND around the waist and kept the Pens player from twisting away.

    The Moore call was just a missed call.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  150. slamtherimtim says:

    cant believe sid the baby didnt get a unsportsmenlike penelty for breaking AND throwing his stick during play

  151. crabvader says:

    It’s just like Ovechkin never getting called for charging when he clearly leaves his feet on 90% of his hits.

  152. Sambaguio says:

    I’m aware of that. But Gainey no longer controls the coach’s decision who plays on net. The current GM Pierre Gauthier made sure of that. No more Halak humiliation this year and beyond.

    Halak is beaming right now, “Look, Gainey, I’m the REAL number 1. Your so-called ‘thoroughbred’ is sitting on the bench.”

  153. Propwash says:

    Its apparent you cheer for a name and not the team.

    Do me a favour, please prove that Gainey had a direct influence on who would be starting in goal.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  154. ed lopaz says:

    Habs hockey = Smart hockey

    we work as a team, and we win as a team. (this is why SK does not play, and AK was on the 4th line)

    we play 5 man defence – not just 2. (this is why SK does not play, and AK was on the 4th line)

    we play with energy (this is why SK does not play, and AK was on the 4th line)

    we play with Subban in markov’s place – could have been with us since the Olympics, but nevermind that now.

  155. crabvader says:

    Now, now…

    To SK’s credit, he is an excellent penalty killer and good defensively.

    Other than that, I feel he has been treated poorly by JM. Instead of motivating, it seems JM felt content with benching SK.

    I don’t agree with that strategy because he clearly has huge upside (we witnessed it at the Olympics).

    This is like Carbo-Perezhogin all over again.

  156. idle says:

    I think sometimes Sergei gets a rough ride from the fans in part because of what Andrei does (or doesn’t do).  Sergei has not had the same chances that Andrei has had, and for the most part Sergei plays with more defensive responsibility then his bro.  I don’t mind if they cut A.K lose, but I’m not ready to give up on little tits yet.


    It’s a MAB MAB world.

  157. crabvader says:

    I agree. 

    This sport is pretty much being ruined by them. I mean when the outcome of a game and better yet, a series is deciding by a bonehead call… I mean, is that even hockey?!

  158. SeriousFan09 says:

    San Jose Sharks could form a synchronized diving team for the next Summer Olympics.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  159. crabvader says:

    Hey, they gotta find something to do to get the monkey off of their backs!

    Joe Pavelski is good though… can’t say anything negative about him.

    The high-priced babies, however, they are a different story.

    Give “Gumbo Joe’s” salary to little Pavelski instead, imo.

  160. crabvader says:

    David Desharnais is really flying under the radar.

    I think this guy can play in the NHL. Hell, if Nathan Gerbe can, so can this kid.

    He’s had a tremendous season with Hamilton and is doing very well in the playoffs so far with 9 pts in 8 games.

    I’d like to see him play a few games with the Habs next year to see how he fares.

    I wasn’t disappointed with how he played the few times he was called up… Especially when him, Trotter and White absolutely overwhelmed the PENGUINS.

    In fact, I’d go as far as to say that White, Desharnais and Trotter could be a very effective NHL line.

  161. SeriousFan09 says:

    You know what’s really a lot of fun in these playoff series against the bandwagon teams?

    Seeing their fans absolutely lose their **** over a loss.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  162. crabvader says:

    I think Sidney Crosby is on his team’s bandwagon too the way he acted yesterday, rofl.

  163. Fansincebirth says:

    I was on the road yesterday and completely missed the game. :o(

    I’ve heard about the hit from behind by Adamd on MAB but no matter how many times I refresh TSN, there is nothing mentioned anywhere about the hit nor any follow up action.

    Obviously the hit was bad enough to earn 5 and a game so why aren’t we seeing anything?

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  164. Xtrahabsfan says:

    There are two big reasons why the Habs are where they’re at now and both were WHIPPING POST by the so called Habs Hockey experts… No:1 …..Jaro Halak….not good enough ….can’t play elite teams…. back-up goaltender….bad glove hand ….no good up top….give’s up bad rebounds….too small…….and so much more! And it was a majority of you fans who made these (COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG) STATEMENTS and you all are consistent even asking for Price last game…Ohhh Halak is tired etc,lol

    And then there’s BIG HAL GILL (Who I would make captain)….This was the best acquisition B.G. made and again all of the so called EXPERTS  just nailed Gill like leafs fans would…totally wrong again and could not be more off.ALMOST None of you remembered what Gill did last year and to who or who he played with,ha ha .All you would say is :He’s too slow…..He does not fight….He ‘s a pylon…and on and on….Well ,Stanley cup winner Hall Gill has just trained the young and Veteran Defense on how to be a winner,how too poke check with you stick  ,how to stay in front of you opposition,how to block shots ,how to play the 4 0n 5  and behind the scenes is a calming and rallying force…a real deal leader and did I forget he sure clears the traffic in front of Halak…And he doesn’t get injured! Do yourselves a favor and never doubt these two Fantastic Athletes again you’ll look better for it !

  165. zozotheclown says:

    I’m pretty sure at this point SK is on the bench due to some attitude issues we’re unaware of. Theres no way any coach thinks Maxwell is a better player, so the reason he plays is probably because JM believes he’ll follow the system to a greater extent and accept his role on the bottom line. 

  166. SeriousFan09 says:

    I suspect Desharnais and Trotter will both make the NHL, but with another team as full-time players. Love their effort and ability, but we’re kind of full up on small forwards, as much as I love Cammy, Gionta and the rest, you do need some big bodies up front.

    White I think will be wearing the CH full-time next season though, he and Pyatt will likely be bottom 6 forwards, hopefully along with a resigned Moore, a transplanted Andreas Engqvist and Metropolit (if he sticks to his old salary).


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  167. Ian Cobb says:

    This is a re-post of mine.

    “Boys and girls! We don’t need anyone
    to tell us that we have a shot at the Cup this year.

    We, the most
    perceptive and most informative hockey fans in the world, have been
    treated and shown how this game is to be played and won for 100

    We recognize quality and expect performance, from management
    to throughout the organization. It has taken Bob 5 years to mold this organisation and put us back on a winning track.

    A lot of pieces starting to come into place and more in the coming years.

    What fun we are having now!!

  168. Norcal Habsfan says:

    It’s weird that they don’t boo Gill. Don’t they realize how critical he was to their success last year and how critical he is to our success against Sid. I think all they see on the ice is  Crosby and Malkin. As fans, they disappoint me.

  169. crabvader says:

    ” And it was a majority of you fans who made these (COULD NOT BE MORE
    WRONG) STATEMENTS and you all are consistent even asking for Price last
    game…Ohhh Halak is tired etc,lol”


    You’re joking, right? Most people on this board cheered on Halak 100% this season.

    Majority my ass. Stop trying to stir the pot.

    You’re also going to lie to us directly and say that you knew Hal Gill would be amazing for us?

    To be honest, I was content, not thrilled, with nabbing him up because of what he did with Rob Scuderi last year and I knew he’d be paired with Gorges cause Josh is a better d-man than Scuderi.

    Don’t act like you knew all along that Gill would carry this D on his back, none of us knew that.

    It’s really pathetic when someone like you comes out here and starts calling out people for something “the majority”, according to you, didn’t even say.

    Seriously, it boggles my freakin’ mind how you can say the majority of us were on Halak’s ass when those comments were made by a very low minority.

    Even if this were the case as you explain it… do you have any idea what humility is?

    There’s a pie named after. I suggest you drag your ass to your nearest baker and get one fresh out of the stove.

    For someone who speaks so strongly of Halak, you should follow his example and be humble.

  170. andrewberkshire says:

    Despite his struggles, Pouliot has already doubled Latendresse’s playoff production.

  171. Norcal Habsfan says:

    Fun is right. We have mini riots in my living room after a win. If I had a car in there I would flip it.

  172. crabvader says:

    I suspect Engqvist will start the season with Hamilton.

    He might make the jump during the season or as early as after training camp, but I see him in Hamilton for a bit at first. I can’t wait to see him play for the Habs, though.

    I know the problem with Trotter and Desharnais is that they are small and not a good fit for an already size-lacking team such as ourselves… but depending if they can play the way they did against Pittsburgh that one game, all of the time, I’m sure they won’t have a problem playing full time. Next year, it seems as if there will be a gaping hole on our 3rd line. Depending on who we re-sign or let go.

    I’m hoping they can play.

  173. crabvader says:

    Lol, it’s true.


  174. ed lopaz says:

    Habs hockey = Smart hockey we work as a team, and we win as a team. we play 5 man defence – not just 2. we play with energy we play with Subban in markov’s place – could have been with us since the Olympics, but nevermind that.

    hear! hear!

  175. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Just like to prove a point or what crabcakes,lol

  176. ed lopaz says:

    Habs hockey = Smart hockey we work as a team, and we win as a team. we play 5 man defence – not just 2. we play with energy we play with Subban in markov’s place – could have been with us since the Olympics, but nevermind that.

    I am expecting great things from Pouliot.

    he has all the tools.

    but what’s with his balance?

    why is he always falling?

  177. crabvader says:


    I find your ramblings to be unnecessary aswell as unfounded.

  178. SeriousFan09 says:

    I believe the arrangement between Engqvist and the Canadiens upon his signing with Montreal is he would wait until there was a spot for him available on the Canadiens before he would leave the SEL, he’s no interest in playing in Hamilton I understand. I look forward to adding a big pivot to the team’s centre though, a RH shot is always nice to have.

    I think we have enough potential assets on the farm and on the team as it is now to have a 3rd and 4th lines, provided some personnel make the jump and we get Moore signed on. I’m just not comfortable with having too many small guys on the bottom six, need some guys to crash and bang after all.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  179. Bob Barker says:

    I found he played his best game in a while yesterday. He skated hard, was solid on the forecheck, got pucks deep and generated some chances. 

  180. crabvader says:

    He is trying to do too much.

    He puts himself in positions he is not accustomed to.

    That’s why I think that during this off-season, he should train, put on a couple of pounds and practice the Habs’ system in a way that would be comfortable to him and where he will be productive.

    He changed his style after a while for a reason I don’t know.

    When he first got here, he did everything right: he backchecked properly and he put himself in a position to score goals while Gionta and Gomer cycled the puck.

    That’s all Pouliot really has to do. Instead, lately, he’s been caught out of position trying to get the puck away from someone he shouldn’t be on.

    I think his confidence is lacking a little bit but all he has to do is go back to basics and everything will be fine. He should watch the games where he had his success with us and identify what he did right and where he could improve.

  181. Say Ash says:

    Kovalev, Koivu, Tanguay, Lang, Schneider, D’Agostini, Chipchura, Bouillon, Higgins and Komi didn’t have too many points over the weekend either.

  182. crabvader says:

    I would be thrilled if he would play with the Habs on the roster next season seeing as how Engqvist has all the tools to help us get better.

    He is big, he is a right-handed shot as you pointed out, he’s got good hands and he loves stalking the net in the slot.

    I still believe he is a Johan Franzen type of player who still has room for improvement.

    He has been “marinating” in the SEL (which isn’t a bad league) so I do think he’s gotten a lot of time to perfect his skills as a player would in Hamilton.

    Lines in 2 years: Trotter-Engqvist-Avtsin? 😛

  183. adam76 says:


  184. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Shit man …it ‘s all there just read it …begining of the season.But don’t read what you posted  you may not like it,lol

  185. andrewberkshire says:

    Definitely his best game of the playoffs so far!

  186. SeriousFan09 says:

    There’s another name for you, I really hope Avtsin is signed so he can start playing in Hamilton next season. I like the Franzen-type ability Engqvist offers for Montreal, but I guess we’ll see what the summer development camp and training camp turn out for the roster.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  187. habs001 says:

    when ak46 was playing on the top lines in the playoffs he looked gassed after 30 seconds on the ice..he was allways the first off…he was amaking bad decisions and showed no drive …the sad thing he can score 3 goals in a game and look great and be garbage for the next 10

  188. HardHabits says:

    I have always been in Halak’s corner. I suggested possiby going with Price if Halak was too gassed to play for game 2. We all know he comes back strong. It turns out he was ready to play game 2 and I am glad he was. I think Martin knows now to pull him in games where he faulters because he’ll be stronger the next one. So from here on in it’s Halak until he has a bad game, in which case he’ll get yanked so Price will finish up and then Halak can come back stronger for the next one. Price is still an important part of the team.

  189. Ian Cobb says:

    Stephen! I have to admit that I was more than wondering about Hal Gill when he first started to play for us. But has he ever got my attention the past few months. He has his own way of being very effective. If he is paired up with someone to offset his inabilities, it makes for an awesome tandem.

    Halak has a few years on Price, and that alone playing in more professional league games gives him a little more confidence and seasoning. But when Price arrives and becomes a bit more seasoned, he will be a force in this league. Two great kids that have a great future with us.

  190. Ian Cobb says:

    I just love our new power forwards, Gionta, Camilairie, Plekanic, Gomez  Moore and Metro.

    I sure hope our GM can find a couple more of them in the off season to replace the K brothers and Pouliot.

  191. Bugs says:

    Sidney joins Ovie to bash our system.

    “No room to skate, no shots to fire, no goals to score, no momentum to gather and no fun for anybody except Habs fans.”

    Superfluously redundant, I remain

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant-Director of St-Habbie’s Hospital for the Blind, Head Physician of Neuroflannelogy Unit, and Occupational Therapist in Habsbros Emergency Ward:

  192. ed lopaz says:

    Habs hockey = Smart hockey we work as a team, and we win as a team. we play 5 man defence – not just 2. we play with energy we play with Subban in markov’s place – could have been with us since the Olympics, but nevermind that,

    Jm is freaking me out right now. I never had a good word to say about him.

    But he has obviously created a plan that is working.

    Isn’t it possible that SK and AK REFUSE to buy into the plan?

    Why do we assume to know that JM “feels content with the benching”?

    JM is an experienced NHL coach, who has been paid to win NHL hockey games.

    I think it is quite likely that JM feels that SK has already been given many chances.

    I think SK is a HUGE TALENT. He is not an average NHL talent, he can be a great NHL player.

    But this is not about SK.

    This is about the team.

    Funny how they showed Pierre Larouche sitting next to Mario.

    Pierre Larouche (scoring 50 goals) was always the coaches whipping boy because he would not play the system.

    SK has not scored 50 goals, I know, but his attitude might be like a Pierre larouche – selfish.

    I say “might” – because I don’t know what is happening in the room.

    Unfortunately – when SK sits, AK sulks, so we lose 2 great talents.

    As long as the Habs keep winning, the Habs brass will not blame JM for his position on the K brothers, that’s for sure.

  193. HabsTrueBlue says:

    I think a lot of people misunderstand motivating, benching and JMs motivations. All season long we have been fighting for a playoff spot. We don’t have the luxury of allowing SK take up a roster spot and show up playing well every third game. SK has to work hard in practise, be patient, keep a good attitude, take incremental steps forward, and earn his spot.

    SK has not been treated poorly. JM is coaching an NHL team not running a kindergarten class.

  194. crabvader says:

    Maybe it does have to do with attitude, I couldn’t tell you.

    But it’s just as naive to assume that SK’s attitude is what has him benched.

    We are giving JM the benefit of the doubt because of SK’s past problems with the team.

    Needless to say he is still better offensively and defensively than Ben Maxwell, Mathieu Darche and Max Lapierre.

    Yappy has been a little better during these playoffs but still nothing really convincing.

    SK has more defensive capability than these guys and as you put it, JM is coaching a hockey team and you must use your better assets.

    Benching SK is pretty foolish, to me.

  195. HabsTrueBlue says:

    I wasn’t trying to imply that there is a currently an attitude problem. I think SK is not playing right now because JM thinks that the team is more effective with the current lineup. 

    I think that Lappy has played his role well enough these playoffs that JM has confidence to give him some minutes.  Lappy brings a bit of a physical element that SK doesn’t have.

    I like SK’s skill set and we have seen good work from him in the past on the PK but if SK is not able to plug a role 5 on 5 at this time then I’m not going to fault JM for not playing him at this moment. Right now JM has to focus on winning not SK’s development as a player.

  196. ed lopaz says:

    just for the big tits, little tits nick names, its worth keeping them. :-)

  197. crabvader says:

    That’s what I am saying. If the Moore call wasn’t a penalty in the eyes of the refs, Bergie’s wasn’t in the least either.

    I’m aware they are both penalties, but according these refs standards, the Bergeron play shouldn’t have been a penalty.

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