Rangers fan Jimmy Fallon rubs it in a bit after winning bet with Habs

(Photo: Canadiens via Twitter)

Jimmy Fallon, the new host of The Tonight Show on NBC and a big Rangers fan, had some fun on his show on Monday night, rubbing in the fact he won a bet with the Canadiens when New York won the Eastern Conference final in six games.

The majority of Fallon’s monologue at the beginning of his show focused on the bet.

“The Montreal Canadiens actually, they bet me, they provoked me, they poked the bear,” Fallon said about the bet that developed on Twitter.

“Here’s the deal,” Fallon added. “When the Rangers win … not if … I change the (Habs Twitter) avatar to a photo of my choice and also I want Youppi! to walk around the streets of Montreal in a Rangers jersey. They said, ‘All right, it’s a deal, we’ll do this.’

“So I got to say, these guys, they’re good sports. They made good on this bet with me and they sent Youppi! out to take pictures of himself … it’s really depressing.

“But this shows you how beautiful the city is. Montreal’s a great place.”

Follow Fallon on Twitter by clicking here.

Follow the Canadiens on Twitter by clicking here.

To see more photos of Youppi! in a Rangers jersey, click here.

The Canadiens announced on Tuesday the dates for their annual alumni softball tour, featuring many former Habs players along with some former Expos. The alumni roster will include former Canadiens’ Guy Carbonneau, Sergio Momesso, Stéphane Richer, Chris Nilan, Patrice Brisebois, Mathieu Dandenault, Gilbert Delorme, Mathieu Darche, Richard Sévigny, Yvon Lambert, Enrico Ciccone, Dave Morissette, Jocelyn Lemieux and Pierre Dagenais, along with former Expos’ Claude Raymond, Steve Rogers, Derek Aucoin and Denis Boucher. For more details on the softball tour, click here.

635 Comments

  1. Un Canadien errant says:

    The Guy Lafleur comments regarding Tomas Vanek and Max Pacioretty have reached Canucks discussion boards. They can be wildly entertaining to read. Here’s what one reasonable fan had to say:

    Pacioretty is on one of the biggest steal of a contracts in the entire league. No way I get rid of a 6’2 forward who will pot 30 regularly

    And then there’s this gem:

    We got a good relationship with the Habs.. why not give them Hansen and Higgins (former Hab) for Pacioretty?

    So we’re not alone, HIO, in sending a fourth-liner and less-preferred prospect along with a third-rounder to Winnipeg for Evander Kane, with the clarification that Travis Moen is a prairie boy, so that counts for a lot.

    ———————————————————————–
    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  2. habsfan0 says:

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Kings came out as flat in Game 1 of their series vs the Rangers as the Habs did in Game 1 of their series vs the Blueshirts.

  3. shiram says:

    So I’ve been corrected as it relates to Tokarski and sending him to Hamilton.

    I still think playing starter in Hamilton would have been best, but the situation cannot be so, unless he does not get picked on waivers.

    Another problem for Bergevin, though picking between 2 good backup is better than having to find one.

    I just wanted to say, these type of situation are why I love this place, I’m not as knowledgeable about hockey and it’s finer points, but many here are, and they are willing to share that knowledge without acting superior or insulting anyone.
    Great place to learn and share.

  4. Maritime Ronn says:

    Darren Haynes, a member of the PHWA, came up with a stat that will not make Canada’s hockey fans very happy or proud of their teams or its management:

    ” Over the last three NHL seasons, there have been more playoff hockey games played in Los Angeles (27) than in Canada (26).”

    ….and that has not taken this year’s Cup Final into consideration.

    During the last 3 years, the Kings have been involved in 11 playoff series while ALL Canadian based teams have been involved in a grand total of 10.
    Montreal 4-Ottawa 3-Vancouver 2-Toronto 1.

  5. Phil C says:

    I personally do not want a youth movement on defense. I like my defensemen grizzled and experienced. They should only break in two at the most. Beaulieu should have a spot if he shows up in shape. Tinordi or Pateryn should only make the team if they play so well, the Habs have no choice. Which is not likely.

    I would like to see them sign Markov and trade for a top four RH defenseman to play with him.

    • shiram says:

      Pateryn is 24, should be more mature physically and played a lot of important minutes in Hamilton.
      I think he could surprise some at training camp.
      Him shooting right is also a big bonus, as those D are tough to find.

      • Luke says:

        He’s got a bit of sandpaper as well, right?

        Additionally, as part (all?) of the Leafs side to the Grabovski trade, I’d love to rub it in their faces for a few seasons.

        • shiram says:

          Well I have only seen him play once and that was last year, so others are better positioned to talk about him, but yeah I’ve heard he does indeed have some sandpaper.

          As for Grabo, well they bought him out while he was still a productive member of their team, so …

      • Phil C says:

        If he can take Weaver’s or Emelin’s job, I’m all for it. But he should not get the slot based on potential.

        Pateryn seemed liked the number 1 guy in Hamilton all year. Why didn’t he get a look?

  6. 24 Cups says:

    What kind of talent is available at the 26th spot? Here’s a look at the past 23 years.

    26th Overall NHL Draft Picks

    Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By
    2012 Brendan Gaunce C Belleville (OHL) Vancouver Canucks
    2011 Phillip Danault LW Victoriaville (QMJHL) Chicago Blackhawks
    2010 Evgeni Kuznetsov RW Traktor (KHL) Washington Capitals
    2009 Kyle Palmieri C USA U-18 NTDP Anaheim Ducks
    2008 Tyler Ennis C Medicine Hat (WHL) Buffalo Sabres
    2007 David Perron LW QMJHL St. Louis Blues
    2006 Leland Irving G Everett (WHL) Calgary Flames
    2005 Matt Pelech D Sarnia Sting (OHL) Calgary Flames
    2004 Cory Schneider G Phillips-Andover (Mass.) Vancouver Canucks
    2003 Brian Boyle C St. Sebastian’s [Mass. H.S.] Los Angeles Kings
    2002 Martin Vagner D Hull Olympiques (QMJHL) Dallas Stars
    2001 Jason Bacashihua G Chicago Freeze (NAHL) Dallas Stars
    2000 Brian Sutherby C Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL) Washington
    1999 Martin Havlat LW Trinec Ocelari HC (Czech) Ottawa Senators
    1998 Mike Van Ryn D U. of Michigan (NCAA) New Jersey Devils
    1997 Kevin Grimes D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Colorado
    1996 Jesse Wallin D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) Detroit Red Wings
    1995 Maxim Kuznetsov D Moscow Dynamo (Russia) Detroit
    1994 Dan Cloutier G Sault-Ste.-Marie Greyhounds (OHL) New York
    1993 Stefan Bergkvist D Leksands IF (SEL) Pittsburgh Penguins
    1992 Drew Bannister D Sault-Ste.-Marie Greyhounds (OHL) Tampa
    1991 Zigmund Palffy RW Nitra (Czech.) New York Islanders
    1990 Nicolas Perreault D Hawkesbury (COJHL) Calgary Flames
    1989 Jarrod Skalde C Oshawa Generals (OHL) New Jersey Devils
    1988 Murray Duval D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) New York Rangers
    1987 Rick Tabaracci G Cornwall Royals (OHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
    1986 Greg Brown D St. Mark’s H.S. (Mass.) Buffalo Sabres
    1985 Kay Whitmore G Peterborough Petes (OHL) Hartford Whalers
    1984 Brian Benning D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) St. Louis Blues
    1983 Claude Lemieux RW Trois Rivieres Draveurs (QMJHL) Montreal
    1982 Mike Anderson C USHL Buffalo
    1981 Rich Chernomaz RW Victoria Cougars (WHL) Colorado Rockies
    1980 Bob McGill D Victoria Cougars (WHL) Toronto Maple Leafs

    24 Cups

    • Cal says:

      Thanks for the list, 24. Quite the variety of players over the years, eh? Thanks for the list. My expectations will be another 3 to 4 year project.

    • arcosenate says:

      A lot of possibilities there eh?

      Encouraging…

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Yeah, I remember this exercise last year, when the list of previous draftees at our draft slot was presented, and there was such a dearth of impact players. You remember the Luc Robitailles, the Andrei Markovs drafted in the ninth round, so you figure the late-first rounders must be pretty good, but it’s almost a coin toss whether they’ll ever play and have any kind of NHL career.

      Thanks for that.

      • Luke says:

        I wonder how Louis Leblanc’s 50 NHL games ranks with his draft position, and even draft year.

        2009 first round:

        1 NY Islanders John Tavares C London Knights [OHL] 350 136 179 315 159
        2 Tampa Bay Victor Hedman D MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SEL] 333 29 115 144 298
        3 Colorado Matt Duchene C Brampton Battalion [OHL] 337 105 158 263 88
        4 Atlanta Evander Kane C Vancouver Giants [WHL] 324 99 101 200 329 2013-14
        5 Los Angeles Brayden Schenn C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 192 40 47 87 112
        6 Phoenix Oliver Ekman-Larsson D Leksands IF [Swe-1] 258 32 79 111 132
        7 Toronto Nazem Kadri C London Knights [OHL] 177 46 67 113 106
        8 Dallas Scott Glennie C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 1 0 0 0 2
        9 Ottawa Jared Cowen D Spokane Chiefs [WHL] 158 12 21 33 113
        10 Edmonton Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson L Timra IK [SEL] 218 32 38 70 40 2013-14
        11 Nashville Ryan Ellis D Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 144 11 33 44 43
        12 NY Islanders Calvin de Haan D Oshawa Generals [OHL] 52 3 13 16 30
        13 Buffalo Zack Kassian R Peterborough Petes [OHL] 156 25 25 50 226
        14 Florida Dmitri Kulikov D Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 313 24 75 99 201
        15 Anaheim Peter Holland C Guelph Storm [OHL] 68 10 7 17 24
        16 Minnesota Nick Leddy D Eden Prairie H.S. (Minn.) 258 20 73 93 34
        17 St. Louis David Rundblad D Skelleftea AIK [SEL] 55 1 8 9 12
        18 Montreal Louis Leblanc C Omaha Lancers [USHL] 50 5 5 10 32
        19 NY Rangers Chris Kreider C Andover H.S. (Mass.) 89 19 21 40 78
        20 New Jersey Jacob Josefson C Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 118 7 18 25 18
        21 Columbus John Moore D Chicago Steel [USHL] 173 7 22 29 40
        22 Vancouver Jordan Schroeder C U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 56 6 9 15 6
        23 Calgary Tim Erixon D Skelleftea AIK [SEL] 51 0 7 7 24
        24 Washington Marcus Johansson C Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 263 41 98 139 26
        25 Boston Jordan Caron R Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 123 12 16 28 60
        26 Anaheim Kyle Palmieri R U.S. National Under-18 Team [Ind] 141 29 31 60 53
        27 Carolina Philippe Paradis L Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL] (No NHL Stats)
        28 Chicago Dylan Olsen D Camrose Kodiaks [AJHL] 72 3 10 13
        29 Tampa Bay Carter Ashton R Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL] 47 0 3 3 32
        30 Pittsburgh Simon Despres D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 85 3 13 16 56

        That’s the First round of his draft. Many of them have been moved. Not too many outside of the top picks are exactly crushing it.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      What I would like to see is who Trevor Timmins had ranked in that spot. It would be an interesting exercise.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

  7. rhino514 says:

    The tough thing with Weaver (he´s UFA, right?) is we have to make a decision on him before seeing the kids play in September. Still, there is room for Weaver and one of the kids, and the other becomes the 7th D. If ” of the kids play really well (though I don´t think that will happen), having Weaver as the 7th D is great.
    During a season there are so many injuries, the 7th Dman can get in 40-50 games in anyway, so you can pay him pretty much like a botton pairing guy.
    I also think Pateryn, if he can handle NHL speed, may be a better 7th D than either Tinordi or Beaulieu. He´s more mature and older and there isn´t much more he can learn playing in Hamuilton.

    • Cal says:

      Weaver deserves to cash in on his playoff performance. However, I don’t think he should stay with the Habs. He was a stop gap trade and he preformed admirably. Imo, it’s time for Markov, Weaver, Murray and Boullion to go. The kids have to be given a proper 30 games with the big team to be evaluated. PK, PP, the works. Protecting them against superior competition will only lead to indecision and doubt on their part.
      The youth movement for the Habs D is overdue, even though I am fully aware that they will make more mistakes.

    • Phil C says:

      I don’t think that’s a big deal. You sign the vet, and if a kid takes his job at training camp, you trade or waive the vet. It’s better than the other way around and finding out that the kids are not ready and there are no more free agents and you are forced to either play short or give up an asset in a trade.

      As for the vets, they know there is someone always looking to take their job, that’s how they got into the league, so if you lose your job at training campt to a rookie, that’s not really poor treatment by the team, that’s just the reality of pro sports.

  8. Maritime Ronn says:

    No rest for the weary
    A very busy and key, critical month coming for the General Managers.

    Some of the Key Dates (From different sources):

    June 15-June 30:
    Regular or remaining Compliance Buy-Out Period Begins
    Deadline for First Club-Elected Salary Arbitration

    June 25 until June 30:
    *Unrestricted Free Agents may meet and interview with
    potential new Clubs, but may not sign new SPContracts until
    the opening of RFA/UFA Signing Period of July 1st.

    June 25:
    Deadline for Qualifying Offers, which are not open for
    acceptance prior to July 1.

    June 26.
    **Restricted Free Agents may make contact with Clubs regarding potential interest, but may not sign new SPCs or Offer Sheets until the opening of RFA/UFA Signing Period.

    June 30
    Setting of Upper/Lower Limits of Cap Ceiling Floor.

    July 1
    Qualifying Offers Open for Acceptance.
    RFA/UFA Signing Period Begins.

    July 5
    Deadline for Player-Elected Salary Arbitration
    Deadline for RFA Offer Sheets for Players for whom
    Clubs have elected salary arbitration pursuant to First
    Club-Elected Salary Arbitration.

  9. hbghab says:

    Well I’m sure our buddy G.B. has to be happy about having two big market American team in the SCF! Only thing that would’ve been better would have been to have Chicago to avoid the big time change.

  10. third generation haber says:

    The draft people, the draft is coming! Stop with the postmortem!

    Just realized that prospect Brendan Lemieux 6-1/ 210 of the Barrie Colts is the son of Claude Lemieux. He’s ranked 37th by McKenzie as well as by Commandant; I can’t help but want him to be a hab.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/05/10/2014-nhl-draft-profile-37-brendan-lemieux/

    He scored 27 goals this year, had 145 PIM, and played for Canada at the Halinka tournament. He’s known as a super-pest who can back it up (fought Connor Crisp this year!). More telling was his 7 goals in just 11 playoff games this year.

    Strong, offensively talented, and tough to play against; we need more of this and less Reway type picks.

    j.p. murray

    • Ozmodiar says:

      The Reway type of pick was a Gallagher type of pick. Possible late round steal.

      / just sayin’

      • third generation haber says:

        ???

        Reway made the NHL and was a candidate for the Calder??? He’s proven nothing, and there’s no way he’ll be the next Gallagher because, in the entire NHL, there is only one Gallagher!!! Reway would wet his pants if he were asked to play Gallagher’s game.

        Most of the talent in the draft goes in the first 2 rounds. The later rounds are more ideal for drafting bottom 6 forwards and bottom pairing d-men; in other words, big guys who can skate well. This is how the Devils managed to be successful for so long.

        We have Gallagher, DD, Gionta, Andrighetto, Reway, Thomas, and St. Pierre in our system; the smurf quota was met and exceeded!

        j.p. murray

        • Ozmodiar says:

          I said it was the same type of pick, not player. Since you think the later rounds are for bottom 6 forwards, I guess it means you disagreed with the Gallagher pick then (if you knew about it). :lol:

          You’re right, Reway hasn’t been a candidate for the Calder, but just so you know, he was only drafted a year ago. Gallagher didn’t play until almost 3 years after he was drafted. Also, just so you know, the smurf quote was already met in 2010 when Gallagher was drafted.

          • third generation haber says:

            Gallagher has played like a warrior at every level, Reway is soft and will not grow balls any time soon. He is not, and never will be a Gallagher type player. Their height is the only possible comparison.

            Striking smurf gold once was amazing, but trying to do it every year is ridiculous.

            j.p. murray

        • Ton says:

          and if I am not mistaken the MB regime added the last 4 players on your list.

  11. HabinBurlington says:

    Not sure how many of you saw or heard about rapper 50cent and his awful opening pitch, but here is some cool video editing with Vlad Guerrero hitting the bad pitch.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24579913/internet-miracle-vlad-guerrero-hits-50-cents-first-pitch

  12. 24 Cups says:

    Craig’s List is the probably the most inaccurate ranking around but here it is anyway. The Habs select 26th.

    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

    24 Cups

    • third generation haber says:

      If his name were anything but Craig, he wouldn’t have a list. Hasn’t anyone at TSN noticed that his past lists have been completely off the mark???

      j.p. murray

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I scanned through it, the big surprise for me is that Jake Virtanen is down at #43, whereas most see him in the Top 10. The Canucks are looking to get bigger at forward, so his name keeps coming up as a likely pick when they’re up at #6.

  13. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ rhino514

    Weaver was a terrific pick up for a 5th Round Pick.
    The Habs actually recouped that 5th round pick in the Vanek trade with the Islanders. (Colberg + 2nd for Vanek +5th)

    While 5th Round picks are rare to make the NHL, the Habs have had some success over the years from that Round and later.

    2012: 5th Round-Charles Hudon (we’ll see)
    * 2010: 5th Round-Brendan Gallagher
    There have been other such as Garbovski (5th) Marc Streit (9th) Halak (9th)…

    As for Weaver’s stats, in the 17 playoff games he was + 8 with 1 goal and 4 points, while his 17 regular season games showed a + 9 with 1 goals and 7 points.

    A small caveat on that Plus/Minus.
    Weaver was playing 3rd pair-Even Strength minutes against the other teams Bottom 6 for the most part, and benefited from the scoring resurgence of both Bourque and Eller along with Weise.

    The key may have been his 1st Unit PK minutes and shot blocking as you pointed out

    • CJ says:

      Good morning Ronn.

      Weaver has positioned himself for a decent term. The notion that we’d be willing to accept a one year deal for $1.5 million won’t fly IMO. It’s still a business and he owes the team nothing. If someone else jumps up and pays more, especially in a soft market, it will spell the end of number 43 in Montreal.

      Again, I liked your post, just layering my two cents on top. CJ

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        He’s better than Gorges….

        ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Josh will have trouble holding on to a Top 4 spot next year.
          At $3.9M for the next 4 years, he may become Cap problematic.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            I don’t think he is problematic.. But combined with Emelin’s $4.1M one of two become an issue.. But yeah, I guess I chose a round about way of agreeing with you..

            I see NB playing with PK.. Teams are really trying to take PK away and make Gorges play the puck, Josh can not shoot or pass well and it works.. With overplaying PK and leaving NB open, teams would get burned IMO.

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Mr M
            ” Cap problematic”
            If he dips to a 3rd pairing, that’s a huge price to pay when there is no offence, average size at best, and a mobility issue.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          He’s not. But more bang for the buck, for sure.

          Weaver’s better on the 3rd pairing than Gorges on the 1st/2nd pairing.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi CJ

        Weaver has 1 or 2 NHL years left.
        His career earnings stand at $6.5M having started his pro career in 2001-02.

        I don’t believe he would have trouble moving to another city as he has already played some form of Pro hockey in Orlando-Atlanta-Chicago-Manchester-Los Angeles-Vancouver-St.Louis-Florida, and now Montreal.

        No doubt he will try and maximize dollars and term…and probably opened a lot of GM’s eyes with his play under playoff pressure.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Weaver could have 3 years left in Montreal.. We seem to like aging D… But yeah, if a team wants to add experience and leadership, bolster their PK, I could see him getting 4.5 million over 2 seasons.. He’d have to take that elsewhere over our 3….

          ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

      • JF says:

        It may be fair to criticize Therrien for some of his decisions in the Rangers series, but where he really fell down was in not having the team prepared for Game one. That was where the series was lost. I think the whole team, both coaches and players, relaxed too much after the victory over the Bruins and simply weren’t ready to start the next series. The Rangers out-skated and out-worked us from the opening faceoff. Had that not been the case, it’s very likely Kreider would never have had the space and time to crash Price and the injury would not have happened. The entire series would have been different.

        As it was, the team had no time to recover from the devastating loss of their all-star goaltender. The very day they heard the news, they had to play Game two, with an inexperienced rookie in goal. Tokarski was obviously nervous his first game, and by the time he’d gotten comfortable, we were in a hole.

        Add to that that our top players simply did not produce enough. Patch and Plekanec each scored one goal, Vanek, Desharnais, and Gionta none. And P.K. was not dominant as he was against the Bruins. Nor was the powerplay effective.

        I think you’re not giving the Rangers enough credit. They played an almost perfect defensive game in Game six. They absolutely smothered us. And for whatever reason, we didn’t have the energy and desperation we showed in Game five.

        It would have been great to get to the SCF, but I think the Kings would have destroyed us. The Rangers will give them more of a battle, might even win. The Rangers have also been building towards this for longer than we have. Two years ago, while we were languishing in the basement, they went to the Eastern Final. There is logic in the fact that they take the next step before we do.

        • JF says:

          This post was meant as a reply to CJ just below. I don’t know how it ended up here.

        • rhino514 says:

          “It would have been great to get to the SCF, but I think the Kings would have destroyed us. The Rangers will give them more of a battle, might even win.”

          We are a better team than the Rangers with Price in net. At the very least we get back home to game 7 with Price, and it may not have even gotten that far.
          The key was game 4. I´m not saying the goals Toker let in were bad, but I believe Price stops Hagelin; that shot just eked through. And Price stops the St.Louis shot for sure. He wouldn´t have gone down so soon, and even if he does, he´s 3 inches taller, it probably gets a piece of him.
          No way to know what we would have done against the Kings, but I disagree on your premise; if you think the Rangers have a chance, I think we would have a better chance.
          I would say the Rangers only played great against us in game 6, but we had no Emelin, Weise, or Price, and they were home and pumped to finish the series. On the whole no doubt in my mind we had a better team.
          I mean, we beat the best team in the league just prior to facing them. Rangers are a decent, but not great team.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Ask any guy on a Cup winning team WHY they won, and one of the first answers is ” Injury Luck”
            No team wins with key guys out or playing at 30%.

          • JF says:

            Not sure why you’re so positive we’re a better team than the Rangers. There’s no question they’re better defensively. They also scored more than we did.

            Looking at the regular season, they finished four points behind us, but they had a horrendous start to the season, playing their first eight or so games on the road, including a tough California swing at a time when they were adjusting to a new coach. Had it not been for that start, they would have finished well ahead of us. Their record the rest of the season was better than ours.

            Looking at the regular-season games between the two teams, two of them finished 1-0. We won the third 2-0, but our second goal in that game was very debatable; it was definitely directed in by Galchenyuk’s skate, although he didn’t kick it.

            So it’s close, but I actually think the Rangers at this point are slightly better than we are. However, we’re not far behind.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            My first answer is always “Game Breakers”

            Look at the past 10 cup champs and they all have players that can singlehandedly make,plays that significantly determine the outcome of a game..

            CHI- Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith
            LA- Carter, Kopitar, Doughty, Gaborik
            PTS – Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Letang
            Bos- Chara, Bergeron, THOMAS!!
            Det- Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg Franzen
            Anh- Giguere, Getzlaf, Perry, Neidermayer, Pronger, Selanne

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Had it not been for 10 losses the Habs would have been Presidents Trophy winners.. You can’t change the past.. The Rangers are who they are.. Play an awfully boring system that suits the worst ice in NHL history… Probably the worst hockey I’ve seen in years were all the Rags home games these playoffs.

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

        • Cal says:

          Not being ready is on ALL the players and coaches. No matter how well a coach prepares, if the players don’t move their feet things can turn bad quickly. Krieder is fast enough to burn pretty much all NHL level Dmen, so I don’t think his plowing into Price on purpose would have changed at all.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Hola CJ! I look at it differently amigo. What I saw was a Team that was projected to fight it out for the last playoff spot make it to Game 6 of the semi”s. And knocked off the Presidents Trophy winner. A team that punched above their weight and would always bounce back and find ways to win. The veterans ran out of gas and the Kids played great. This to me, is very good for the future. We will be better next year and a few more years after that. Other teams will also be better but many teams will be worse. Keep the Faith amigo, we are headed in the right direction and will win The Cup soon. Saludos!

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Ronn, I agree (well anybody that looks through 4-7th round picks would too) that late rounders are unlikely to play in the NHL..

      I noticed that Detroit has had a lot of their late round Euro picks play NCAA giving the team more time from draft day to entry level contract… I’m sure the same could be done with CHL and AUAA.. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of how long a team holds a player after drafting them…

      Wouldn’t be a good strategy to help all our late rounders get into college programs (I vote UPEI Panthers for our Habs guys, y’know, for a small fee I could slip over to the Civic Centre and give reports to MB ;) haha )

      Seriously, would it not be beneficial for the Habs to have ties to an AUAA team?

      ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        T2 years for CHL players.
        The rules are really complex for NCAA, yet here’s possibly why, and some of the changes that occurred for both NCAA and Euros being drafted.

        Under the rules pertaining to the entry draft in the new 2013 NHL CBA, teams will still retain exclusive negotiating rights to NCAA (or NCAA bound) players aged 18 or 19 for four years, so long as that player remains a “bona fide student.”

        There’s also a new type of player that teams will retain the exclusive right of negotiation to under the new CBA: international prospects (or in the language of Aritlce 8.6 (d): players drafted from a club outside North America).

        A player has to be aged 18 or 19 for a club to retain his negotiating rights “through and including the fourth June 1st following his selection.”

        If you’re into the legalize of all of this, not a bad read here:
        http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2013/6/7/4404684/nhl-cba-college-loophole-ncaa-change

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Wow, thanks for the info man!

          Hmmm, it’s too bad CHL players can not attend NCAA.. Something really needs to be done with the AUAA so these kids on the cusp get an education rather than 2-4 years scuffling in the AHL.

          ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  14. CJ says:

    Good morning folks.

    In just over 12 hours the puck will drop and the Stanley Cup finals will commence. Nearly a week has passed since the Canadiens were eliminated from the playoffs and not a day has passed that I have not spent a considerable amount of time analyzing what went wrong. Many would say that a greater investment ought to be made in reflecting upon what went right to get to this point. I think this exercise also holds value, however I lament the chance that slipped through our fingers…..

    Therien has gotten a lot of praise, much of it deserved, but he was late reacting to the Rangers in game adjustments. Further, our play in game six was entirely consistent with a team playing not to lose, as opposed to win. Pleks somehow managed over 23:00 minutes in game six, leading all forwards on both teams in ice time. We needed to roll the players who gave us the best chance to win, yet we kept going back to the old guard. In any event, what’s done is done.

    Regarding Bergevin’s press conference, I’m not surprised that more information wasn’t made public. I didn’t expect him to announce, publicly, a disappointment with any player. Keep in mind, Bergevin played nearly 20 years in the league and is very much a player’s GM. Remember him running to see if Parros was ok, or welcoming Price as he came off the ice following the OT win in Ottawa? The press conference was entirely consistent with his character. As such, I wouldn’t put a great deal of weight into the comments regarding welcoming certain players back into the organization.

    What continues to give me fits is the fact that the stars seemingly aligned for us this postseason, yet we weren’t able to capitalize on the opportunity. Will we be better next year, maybe? Without the value of seeing how free agency and trades unfold around the league, it’s impossible to say. Even if we are better, the fact remains that other teams are very likely to be improved as well.

    I guess this is a long way of saying that I’m not cool with the loss to the Rangers. Not one bit. I understand that only one team can win, and 29 others are going to fail to reach their goal, blah, blah, blah, but this stinks. I’m not even sure if watching Tinordi hammer Krieder next season will make it any better.

    So, focus shifts to the draft, free agency and player movement via trade. I’d estimate that we could welcome up to 20 new players into the organization. Time will tell if they help us take that next step forward. Sorry folks, I’m greedy. Like Rob Ford, I just want MORE!

    Have a great day everyone! Cheers, CJ

    • kalevine says:

      I’m with you CJ, I’m happy with the playoff run but realize that unless you are an elite team, you may not get many chances like this, and Habs are not an elite team right now. The Rangers were also the better team in that series. The Habs dug themselves too big a hole and weren’t good enough to scramble out of it. And that game 6 was sooooo frustrating to watch, as it seemed to completely lack any reasonable combination of making a pass and taking a pass, for 60 minutes. Not the way you want to see your team go out

    • BriPro says:

      Time to move on, CJ.
      Perhaps trying to enjoy the summer will rid the negatives…

    • Cal says:

      Losing Price cost the Habs a real shot at getting to the final.
      I am hoping he remains healthy during a playoff to show what he can do.
      Draft and UFA day will be fun. The Finals should be taken by LA in 6.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Cal – Not scoring any goals in game 6 is one of the main reasons the team didn’t go to the finals. Our best players cost us that chance, not Price’s injury. I’m not lamenting what happened, just trying to keep perspective. It’s a bit like four years ago when Biron was “a lucky goalie” and we supposedly could have beaten Philly. That’s a tough sell when you consider the series was 4-1 for the Flyers with Montreal only scoring 7 goals in five games and having a GD of -10.

        If our best offensive players score two goals in game 6 against the NYR then anything could have happened back on home ice.

        24 Cups

        • Cal says:

          For me, losing Price after the Kreider hit was the turning point- an easy 2 goals later and the Rags had 4 goals before the end of the first.
          Those 2 games to begin the series in Montreal were huge. Home ice “advantage” disappeared, along with any chance to win.

        • kalevine says:

          Biron was 6 years ago in 2008. Also lost in 5
          I think it ws Michael Leighton in 2010, but I don’t remember him being that stellar. I just remember the Habs not threatening much except in the single game they won and maybe game 5

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        I think the Vanek vs Gaborik also cost the Habs a chance at the final.. Gaborik has played a major role in 6 of the Kings victories while Vanek only made an impact in 2 games for the Habs..

        Still a great move by MB.. Just didn’t turn out to be the playoff game breaker we needed… Really needed!

        ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

        • Ozmodiar says:

          What Vanek vs Gaborik thing??

          Did you read somewhere that MB had a choice?

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            No.. Sorry.. Both teams picked up an all-star.. If Vanek had put up Gaborik numbers the Habs would still be playing.. I don’t think the Habs had a shot at Gaborik…

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

          • nunacanadien says:

            Vanek is what got Montreal into the playoffs. Enough of this dumping on Vanek or thinking Price is the solution or only solution, we’ve had Price all these years and we never got anywhere. It was not until we shamed the Coors board on hockeyinsideout.com and to let them know that enough is enough, Montreal has had enough smurfs. Buy out Gionta, keep Vanek, sign Subban and Markov, trade Budaj for cap room trade whoever we trade Budaj for to make up. There are many teams who need a backup goalie and Montreal needs more cap space. I would lose Therrien before I lost Vanek. Any coach can stand behind the bench, but as Montreal knows, it is hard to find a good player to skate on the ice with our sad bunch of late in the past years. Thank God we have Subban and Max Pac and Subban and Emelin now. But honestly the rest of the team needs to bulk up and toughen up for the habs to make the playoffs. Enough of this being pushed around and having Price get hurt. Time to get tough and defend Price. Get rid of the small defense for God’s sake!

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Gaborik plays with Kopitar and Brown….and on the 1st PP Unit it’s Gaborik-Carter-Kopitar-Doughty-Voynov.

          Vanek would have done well in the Gaborik position.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            I don’t think Vanek would have.., no speed.

            Gaborik has 10/12 goals at even strength…

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • New says:

      The stars aligned. I think that is a good way to put it. There was a point where the Habs stopped being a good bunch of guys who really get along and the Canadiens emerged. They believed in themselves. Everything was on the table and the choice was theirs.

      Price got taken out. The team sagged. The bubble burst. Why? Tokarski played really well but the team didn’t believe anymore. The guys who stepped up then are the keepers.

      The Vaneks of the world who need chemistry? The guys who need to have this or that player to be effective? Those are the quitters. Their belief in themselves was totally dependent on their belief in someone else.

      The Canadiens have about 30 million in roster players they do not need. People talk about Vanek getting the Habs into the playoffs. Eleven goals in 34 games. Ok, Frans Neilsen on the Islanders was the reason they made the playoffs…oops…they didn’t…but super Frans scored at the same pace…and didn’t float…and didn’t need…I give up.

      Some guys quit. Some lead. Some should just get out of the way and enjoy the ride.

      What the Canadiens need is someone to lead within the locker room, shut the door, and put a finger in a face. When chuckles laughs and shoves the finger away he finds himself on the bus to Hamiliton where he sits in the stands until his agent works something out.

      Everything was on the table for the Canadiens.

      They folded.

  15. Strummer says:

    ” Carcillo was originally punished under Rule 40.3 for deliberately applying physical force to an official, which carries a suspension of at least 10 games. However, Bettman decided that “Carcillo’s actions were more appropriately deemed a violation of Rule 40.4 for deliberately applying physical force to an official for the sole purpose of getting free of such official during or immediately following an altercation.”

    “The National Hockey League does not and will not, under any circumstances, tolerate or condone the abuse, physical or otherwise, of our on-ice officials,” Bettman said in a statement. “The strict and proper enforcement of Rule 40, therefore, plays a critical role in safeguarding the integrity of the game by maintaining a safe and respectful working environment for our officials.”

    So Carcillo was trying to get free of the linseman as opposed to trying to assault him.

    One lawyer’s interpretation of a rule written by other lawyers.

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  16. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! I see our friend Prime Time was in a bit of a foul mood last night. I hope he’s doing better today.

    I love Guy LaFleur. He along with Bob Gainey, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe, Larry Robinson and Ken Dryden can never do anything wrong in my eyes. But……..

    I realize we as fans have our own preference of likes and dislikes in players. Pleks is a great example of one who seems to draw passionate opinions on both side of the aisle. Some would like to see more offence in BIG games while others appreciate the defensive soundness of his shut down role. Makes for interesting debate.

    But some of the debate centers on ridiculous fandom reactionary stuff. Guy’s comments in regards to Max could not have been more wrong. His comments went beyond the typical critique of a fan when he reportedly said that Max was not worth keeping if he didn’t show up for big games. Unfair and a comment not worthy of a hockey legend. Those of us who watched 82+ games this season and not feel that on nearly all of those nights we didn’t get our moneys worth from Max are watching a different player.

    40 (I know its 39) goal scores are very rare in this league. He’s becoming a star in this league and in addition, his cap friendly salary is an added bonus. Max, along with many of the younger players/stars will learn a lot from this playoff run. They’ll all be better for it in the long run.

    Edit: Check out Guy’s first two years in the playoffs. Didn’t exactly trump Max’s stats.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think perhaps what made Guy so great was his insistence on beating to his own drum. It may have also been his downfall with the Habs. He is still my favourite Hab of all time, and while you make a good point, Guy is just being Guy. He isn’t mgmt. and he talks like a fan and a past player. I would hope Max can live with a few comments like that. End of day, our best players were quite ineffective against the Rangers, but the playoffs still provided some great experience for the team.

      I think this team will start a bit of a transition this year, to more of a youth movement. I am very hopeful that Beaulieu, Tinordi and Pateryn start forcing the coaches hand and make the lineup out of camp. Probably not all at once, but who knows what awaits us next season.

      • BriPro says:

        Morning all.
        I watched l’Antichambre last night, and with three former NHLers on the panel, they couldn’t agree on who to keep and who to trade. Damphousse was very emphatic on keeping Markov, while Guy Boucher spoke of grooming the three you just mentioned.
        And none could agree on Pleks.
        No question he has market value at 30, but unless you’re picking up a Callahan or another versatile multi-faceted player, letting him go could be risky.
        MB is pretty sharp. I’ll defer to his wisdom.

    • kalevine says:

      there’s a difference between Max and Pleks. Max may well continue to get better, and his less than stellar playoff performance could be chalked up as more valuable experience. Pleks is Pleks, what you see is what you get, a good to great regular season followed by a fair to good playoff. But even his good playoffs have fizzled out come the third round.

    • Cal says:

      The thing about Lafleur was all the time he spent on the ice as a young player “inventing the game.” Team mates used to laugh about how bad he was at drills, but then the game was on he was so much better than anyone else on the ice.
      The stifling defense first systems we see now are, to be blunt about it, pretty damned dull to watch as the talent is forced to conform. See Crosby and his last two playoffs.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Guy Lafleur has always been an infuriating player when it comes to his public persona, his statements. He’s a loose cannon, still shooting his mouth off about the team even now that he’s been brought back into the fold as an ambassador. The problem is that he has a bunch of sycophants around him who keep telling him that he can do no wrong, that nothing is ever his fault. Réjean Tremblay and Bertrand Raymond have always encouraged him, calling him ‘un vrai, un pur’ and other such doublespeak for idiots who can’t resist a microphone, empowering him to speak his mind, good or bad, wildly inappropriate or not.

      Every fan has a right to an opinion, us no-names can rant all we want on Twitter or HIO, but former players who have standing in the Canadiens organization should keep their big yaps shut about current players, coaches, management moves, etc.

      http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=52589

      Guy can take on the league when it comes to style of play, concussion issues, the treatment of former players, this is an area where there are disadvantaged parties who need representation, where it’s necessary to speak truth to power. But he can’t second-guess the organization and its players when he draws a paycheque from that organization.

      The way Marc Bergevin was circumspect during his year-end press conference, refusing to discuss contract status or speak negatively about anyone should be his exemplar for public conduct. But that would be expecting too much, Guy Lafleur has never learned to control himself, keep his counsel, wait until the next day and see if what he’s about to say really needs to be said.

      It always saddens me that such a great player, the hero of my youth, is such a dunce off the ice, and insists on putting his foot in his mouth and everyone else’s.

      Guy, you want to be involved, you want to tell the players what to do? Why don’t you just get in the game, start coaching a team, see how easy it is to deal with quote machines like you.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Morning Jim, when did you start working in retail?

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I hope I’m better at that then worm farming, eh?

        • BriPro says:

          Now, how hard can it truly be to collect worms?
          Look at yesterday…60 mm of rain and there were worms all over the road.

          I suggest you get out there to collect them, rather than arguing with your blue-shirt brother.
          :)

          • Habfan10912 says:

            You’re up bright and early this morning! I’m fortunate that there are many miles between my brother and I but the trips to the gym are more painful then usual. Ranger fans coming out of the woodwork made worse by the Yankees poor start. There is one other Hab fan there though. We cower in the corner together.

            Morning Bud!

          • BriPro says:

            You know!
            I’m always up this early, taking care of the squirt.

            But today being my daughter’s McGill convocation, Lisa took the day off, and I didn’t schedule anything for the day.

            So until Lisa returns from tire shopping, I have a little down time.
            Are the playoffs over yet?

            Morning Jim.

  17. rhino514 says:

    I don´t usually comment on management, but I think the time has come to say that MB has turned this organization around.
    Weise, Weaver, Vanek for the stretch run; without these additions we probably don´t make the playoffs (we were 8 games over fivehundred at the trade deadline) and considering how close the games in the playoffs were, we probably don´t advance past the first round, and definitely not out of the second round.
    Weise and Briere both scored key goals which decided key games in the series. Vanek got us into playof position during the stretch. Weaver, though we cannot quantify how many of his blocked shots saved goals, surely saved quite a few. He was a team leading +8 during the playoffs and around that in his 15-18 games during the regular season. Truly astounding numbers.
    Waite was another great move; without him perhaps Carey would not have had as good a year as he had.

    Regarding MT.
    I was very impressed with the poise of MT, especially in English, where he has to have a much tougher time expressing himself than in French, where he is firmly in command.
    He coached well this season, and made a lot of gutsy player moves which turned out extraordinarily well.
    He probably should have played the kids on defence a bit more, but the signing of Murray wasn´t his doing and he had to give the big lug some minutes. Even this he managed to do as well as could be done.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      This post closely resembles my thoughts as well. I have been on record as not being the biggest MT supporter but the record is what it is. In this performance based field, its hard to argue with MT’s success.

      Like Rhino, I’d have loved to see more of Nathan B and Tinordi. Perhaps MT felt he had to show substantial improvement in order to keep HIS job and playing the kids significant minutes may have been a benefit for the future and not enough for the present.

    • Mustang says:

      Many fans thought (probably still think) that MT was (is) an idiot but when you look at the overall results, he did a very good job. Could he have done better? Certainly, but he could also have done much worse. In this day of no-trade multi-million dollar contracts, free agents, and the salary cap, it is a very tough business for both the GM and the coach.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      Alas, it could partly (all!!) turn to dust if he bungles the Subban negotiations and makes the wrong moves with our UFAs. What he does on the trade front in the off season and with free agents from other teams (aka alien UFAs) may undermine the work he’s done to date as well. I’m not worried. I think he’ll do the right things. The sleeper moves I’m looking for involve Tokarski and Beaulieu. I have a feeling one or both could be on the move.

      ~~ You’ve been spun ~~

      • Habfan10912 says:

        You might be right about Tokarski but I pray you’re wrong about Beaulieu. I see another stud dman in our future. I wouldn’t consider moving him unless you get another stud defenseman in his place.

  18. Danno says:

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  19. third generation haber says:

    Regarding Gallant,

    If he does leave, we should replace him with the best coach possible and not think about finding someone who can be groomed as our next head coach. Therrien could likely recommend someone.

    The AHL is where we should be grooming bilingual future head coaches. When Therrien gets fired someday, his replacement will be able to hire his own team of assistants, so there’s no point in grooming someone as an assistant who will take over for Therrien.

    j.p. murray

    • Captain aHab says:

      Gallant was responsible for the PP. He was never able to come up with much of an answer once teams started pressuring Subban and Markov. We need someone who can switch things up a bit. And we need to have one more large guy willing to stand in front of the goalie, NOT to the side of the goalie. Cause either Pacioretty isn’t willing to go there or he is actually coached to have his butt screwed to the boards while on man advantage.

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      • rhino514 says:

        It is perplexing that our PP only ended up 13th in the league.
        Even if team pressure Markov and PK, this should have created space down low.
        We had capable guys there; Pacioretty, DD, Briere. Vanek for the stretch.
        The main reason put forward for retaining Markov to me was his poise on the PP; he seemed to become less and less of a factor on it as the season moved on; PK seemed to become The Man. Maybe Markov should have commanded the second wave with Emelin; have PK with Beaulieu on the first.
        Not really sure about Markov after watching the playoffs. Hopefully we can squeeze one more decent year out of him, sign him to two and don´t expect much from the second.

      • kalevine says:

        I thought he was responsible for the PP which made me wonder why people seemed so sad to see him go. We need a guy who can make the adjustments that he couldn’t

  20. PrimeTime says:

    Extremist fans…..what a joke!!! Too bad this site got popular.

  21. Habitant in Surrey says:

    TSN: ‘NHL reduces Carcillo’s suspension from 10 games to six’

    …do You think Bettman is a Rangers’ fan per chance ?

  22. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I think Gerard Gallant’s contribution to Our Team’s success this season is underestimated

    …Gerard was the KY Jelly between Therrien and the Players, providing the ‘lubrication’ to bear the pain in the ass Michel can be

    …the possible loss of Gerard will be significant if He can not be replaced with someOne similar

    • Beijing Hab says:

      The worst part is that Kirk Muller was recently available. I believe in giving Gerard the opportunity to seek a head coaching, but the timing sucks.
      Should the Habs bring up Sylvain Lefebvre from Hamiton or look elsewhere?

      He’s doing a good job down there. It would be nice to keep him there for a while longer.

      If we were to look elsewhere, who do you like?

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      • Timo says:

        You realize Lefebvre was a defenseman, right? Also there is a school of thought that many of Habs’ young prospect have regressed (or at least stalled) in their development under Lefevbre (kind of like under Therrien, I guess)

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …although Kirk returning as assistant coach would be ideal, I think that ship has sailed …Kirk wouldn’t be interested in less than head-coaching his own team

        …Lefevre, I feel, is, if not a disaster in Hamilton, was uninspiring as the coach of the Bulldogs

        …if I was the One looking elsewhere ? …Larry Robinson

        …but that is as unrealistic as Me wanting to replace Carey Price in nets next season :)

        • PrimeTime says:

          You realize Muller was recently hired by St.Louis as assistant coach, right? And Robinson was given a director title with LA although his primary role is an associate coach?

    • PrimeTime says:

      The same thinking was posted when Muller left……weird how that turned out??

  23. Prop says:

    I’ve seen a few posts about Lafleur, and I wonder if he would ever make it in today’s NHL. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a legend but does his opinion really hold any merit in this day and age?
    *Edit* I don’t mean to detract from what he did, but perspective is everything, I’m saying this because hockey has changed in such a big way since Lafleur’s time.*

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    • Marc10 says:

      Guy is a top 10 of all time. One of the most dominant players ever. He did it smoking and drinking. If a guy with his natural physical gifts trained and dieted like the guys do today, was in his prime, you’d get the same result. Best player in the league by a substantial margin.

      Post Lafleur, I’d say only Gretzky and Lemieux (and Bossy as a sniper) were as dominant among their peers. Honorable mentions to BHull, Selanne, Ovie and Sid.

      Does his opinion rate in that respect? Meh, hard to say. He does know one thing though… what it takes to win. That much is pretty evident.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would say yes, his opinion does hold a lot of weight. The league may have changed, but what it takes to win has not. He played with players that knew how to win when it counted and continued to produce, even against teams like Philly and Boston when they were tough. I watched a show on the Canadians a few years ago and the players were asked how they were able to only lose 8 games one season and then 10 the next, as well as win 4 straight. The answer was, ” we didn’t want to be embarrassed by teams we felt were not as good as us and we wanted to show the better teams that we were the best” That is the mantra the current team needs to adopt!

      Habfan17

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      Lafleur had fire in the belly — a lot like the Rocket. He wanted to win bad, real bad. He’s a proud man too. Players like that could probably find a way to succeed in any era.
      ~~ You’ve been spun ~~

  24. Timo says:

    Hey Yaro, are they still showing Квартал 95? You can always watch that.

  25. hitgurl says:

    Forget Vanek he’s gone.
    And forget Marleau or any other old dude.
    We need young players with guts and speed.

  26. thehabsfan29 says:

    Any chance the habs could try and grab a player like Patrick Marleau from the sharks?

    Have a feeling they will be shipping some of vets and start to rebuild

    No idea what they would ask for him though

    Personally I’d rather Marleau over Vanek (that’s just me though)

    • Habfan17 says:

      I wouldn’t go there! His age and contract don’t work in his favour. He has not been able to win in the playoffs, and he is a centre. The Habs would have to give up too much for him. They would be better off picking up Statsny as a UFA. He is younger and is a player that will get you to and through the playoffs! He actually keeps producing when it counts, in 7 games he had 10 points this playoff. 5 years at $6 million would be easiy to take on if Gionta is one and they trade Pleks. Statsny is only 28. Stanstny, Galchenyuk, Eller. Good strong at centre for years.

      Habfan17

  27. Frank2468 says:

    Is it October yet????

    • marv1840 says:

      You may prefer to watch the NBC telecast of the Stanley Cup finals tomorrow instead of CBC. The NBC play by play man Mike Emmrick sounds much like Danny Gallivan and makes the game exciting with much emotion and precision when a player scores or nearly scores a goal. He is definitely an upgade over either Jim Hughson or Bob Cole at CBC.

      • BJ says:

        Emmrick is by far the best play by play man describing games in English. He’s sharp and with the play, unique voice and extremely entertaining.

        • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

          But without Bob Cole how will we ever know what the score is…or how much time is left in the period? Oh yeah, we look at the screen.

  28. UKRAINIANhab says:

    I have quite the laugh when someone says we should trade Price instead of Tokarski! Never go to the tsn boards!

    • crane says:

      Anyone notice how many times Markov went back door on power play and D.D. and Patches never ever used him. This is were Markov use to get all his points.

      • Beijing Hab says:

        Muller knew how to use Markov coming in the back door. (Sounds dirty when you read it out loud, but I think you know what I mean)

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      • Habsbill24 says:

        That is because Markov usuually shot wide or high when they did. nothing close to the player he used to be. Better to save the cap space and use it for big forwards and go with the kids on D.

    • marv1840 says:

      I don’t think trading Price instead of Tokarski is a bad idea. Teams like Vancouver need a great netminder and may give the Habs a power forward than they need. Remember, we traded Halek whom many of us thought was the number one goaltender for the Habs for Lars Eller and the trade worked out well. Maybe Tokarski will work well for us as a starter and the Habs can get a superstar in a trade. It may be a good idea for MB to ponder.

      • D Mex says:

        You joined HI/O today … to post this ?
        :lol:
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      • JF says:

        I think trading Price at this point is about the last thing the Habs would do. They’ve been waiting for years for him to step into the small group of elite goaltenders. Now that he’s finally made it, they’re not about to replace him with a kid who, however impressive his playoff performance, has only about a dozen games experience in the NHL. Tokarski looks as though he could be a starter, but his path to that position will likely be like that of other young goaltenders – full of ups and downs and inconsistencies. We’ve got our starter; why go through those growing pains all over again?

        • Beijing Hab says:

          We don’t only have a starter. We have the best starter in the game. I would not trade Price for any other goalie in the league.

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      • Captain Pike says:

        ☼☼

      • third generation haber says:

        OMG! U want to trade an established starting goalie, an NHL top 5, with an Olympic gold, WJC gold + tournament MVP, Calder Cup winner + play-off MVP, WHL top goalie award winner, drafted 5th overall, only 26 years old, and replace him with an under-sized AHL goalie who shows promise but has almost zero NHL experience???

        Please tell me that you’re only 12 years old.

        j.p. murray

      • WHOA, some thought he was an elite goalie, not Many :) (red Halak) I was the leader in trade Halak Fan Club. More so because his agent said some things on twitter than disrespected the Club and Carey Price. No organization needs that around. But I saw something in Halak that didn’t impress me. His rebound control was horrible, and still is. He was small in the net, and lacked focus in low scoring games (who doesn’t though). I thought when we got Eller for him that we were laughing all the way and even today I feel he’s not used properly.

        As for trading Price, the day the Great one was traded made people realize anyone can be traded.

        Having said that, as the unofficial President of the Carey Price fan club you ride the Price train until he’s 32 and then you squeeze every last piece of talent out of him and ask him if he want to retire a Hab, if he does you give him another big contract, because with a defense first style team, Carey Price is the reason Mtl win 80% of your games. He’s that good!

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    • Beijing Hab says:

      Leaf fans run those boards.

      喜欢蒙特利尔冰球!

  29. JF says:

    Patrice Brisebois on the Habs’ defensive prospects, especially Greg Pateryn:

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/pateryn-la-révélation-selon-brisebois-1.1154606

    • Ian Cobb says:

      JF…Wish this article was in English…

      • JF says:

        Ian – The article doesn’t actually say all that much. Brisebois just says that, although only Beaulieu and Tinordi spent time with the big club this season, Greg Pateryn for him was something of a revelation; he had an excellent season in Hamilton with 34 points (15 goals) in 68 games and a +4 differential. Brisebois also said Mac Bennett had impressed him.

        On Beaulieu, he said he had worked hard on his defensive shortcomings, and that his skating and passing were exceptional. Also that young players learned a lot from participating in the playoffs. But all will have to work very hard over the summer to make a good impression at training camp.

        That’s about it. But it’s good news for the Habs if Pateryn as well as Beaulieu and Tinordi is close to making the jump.

        • Timo says:

          Any defensman who can actually play defense is a revelation to Brisbois. The whole concept of defense is a revelation for him.

          • third generation haber says:

            haha!!! Breezer could play some good d; it was the concept of body-checking that totally confused and terrified him. A taller and more talented version of Diaz.

            j.p. murray

  30. SnowManHabs85 says:

    No way Eller has passed Plekanec over after just a few playoffs games. Eller will get a 1 year deal to once again prove exactly what kind of player he is but I hope he’ll get Dustin Brown 6 year deal 19m. He would be a bargain if Eller ever surpasses Plekanec and I know thats a big iF but we do know now Eller seems to raises his game during the playoffs.

  31. hockeydoc says:

    I will never understand why Therrien was so quick to yank Vanek off the line with DD and Patches, less than 1 game!!! And why he was so stubborn not to reunite them, it’s not as if DD, Patches and Gallagher were on fire

    • 1993 says:

      I think some of the problem with Vanek, he liked playing left wing playing on the right side didn’t do him any justice than again he might not be a playoff type of player, other than against Tampa Bay he didn’t do much. myself I wouldn’t sign him for big dollars. not a bad regular season player but that’s about it.

    • Louisville says:

      Lafleur saying that players like Vanek and Pacioretty would never be a part of his team regardless of how many goals they score. For him, he feels they lack passion and spend most of their time floating and waiting for others to feed them.

      Guy’s never been afraid to tell it like it is!

  32. GT says:

    There’s 29 other teams out there trying to get better, so even if the Habs get better so will most of them. MB is gonna try and keep this team a playoff team, once you’re in there who knows how far they can go. They did well this year maybe with a few improvements they can even make it to the finals. having gone that far was their chance and they blew it against the Rangers, will they get that chance again next year we’ll have to wait and see. I hope MB can make changes to get us to the 4th round and maybe win a cup.

  33. Frank2468 says:

    I hope AV puts Carcillo back in the lineup for game 4. This way when Bettman goes to hand the cup to Brown Carcillo loses his mind and takes a swing at Bettman. I wonder how much of a suspension he gets for that one LOL

  34. Un Canadien errant says:

    When we’re punting around whether Dustin Tokarski should play in Hamilton next year or be Carey Price’s backup, or whether Louis Leblanc should be offered a new contract and continue to work on his game with the Bulldogs, it’s always helpful to know if we can actually send those guys down to Hamilton without losing them on waivers.

    A really handy source that everyone should have bookmarked for referral is Habs Prospects. Lots and lots of info at your fingertips, noodle around in there and see what you can find.

    http://habsprospects.com/waivers.html

    Oh, and the answer is both Dustin and Louis have to pass through waivers to end up with the Bulldogs next season.

    ———————————————————————–
    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Does Leblanc have to clear waivers? I thought that was only when you went back down to the AHL.

      It’s telling that Leblanc was drafted a year earlier than Gallagher or Bournival, and two years earlier than Beaulieu.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Yes. Next year at training camp, when the Canadiens make their cuts, every player headed to Hamilton has to clear waivers except for the new pros with only a few years experience or games played. The link provided explains what the formula is (years pro and/or NHL games played).

        One thing to consider is that in September, every team’s roster is full, they’re all sending their players down to the minors also, so they usually don’t have room to acquire another team’s player, unless he’s special. So next season, we probably won’t have any issues sending down a Gabriel Dumont, as good a kid as he is, but a Louis Leblanc might attract attention. And if for some crazy reason we’d try to slip a Brendan Gallagher through, well every team would make room, they’d expose one of their lesser players to waivers to snap him up.

  35. Bozo McBozo says:

    Wow, $3200 a ticket for where I parked my buttocks in MSG for Game 3 against the Habs! Don’t think I’ll be getting the call from my friend for the Final.

    • Frank2468 says:

      Yes and with prices like that guess the Rangers are the peoples team of New York. Ya the ones on Wall Street NBC and Bettman must be so dam happy. I wonder what the ratings on CBC will be for the finals? I bet much much lower then what it was when the Habs were there for 2 reasons. 1) Hab fans watching from all over and 2) Hab haters watching to see the Habs lose

  36. DipsyDoodler says:

    OK, the hell with this.

    Sure we have a fairly bright future but so do 15 or so other teams. Colorado, Minnesota, Philly, etc … they’ve all got lots of prospects.

    We were there. We could taste it. And then that cheating human wrecking ball Chris Kreider took out our keeper.

    F*** the Rangers.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • Frank2468 says:

      I hear you my feelings as well. But whats so dam annoying is the media keeps going on about the St. Louis story and how it would be an amazing story for him to win the cup after all he’s been through. Don’t get me wrong I do feel bad about what happened but cause of his lose he deserves to win the cup? So what does that mean cause other players haven’t lost a parent their hard work and sacrifice to get where they are doesn’t add up or deserve to win enough already!!!!

      • marv1840 says:

        Frank the point you missed is that hockey players can rally behind a lot of emotion, not that St. Louis lost his mother. Be it a tragedy or something else, an emotional feeling among the players bonds team cohesion. The Rangers needed an emotional rally to believe in their ability to beat Pittsburgh, particularly when they were trailing the series 3-1. The media are focusing on the importance of emotion to make a team play better than they have in the past.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I like how all the analysis is about how the Rangers forecheck, how they shut down P.K., how they pulled together due to the death in Martin St. Louis’ family. No talking head will just say that the Rangers got through Philadelphia and a post-concussion Sidney Crosby-led Penguins team, then registered a no-contest against the Canadiens due to blatant cheating. I hope they embarrass themselves in the finals.

  37. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Here’s some food for thought! Eller had 4 more point than Plekanec yet Plekanec had “terrible playoffs”. Yet Eller had a great postseason. Interesting, interesting.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Plekanec was desperately missing Alex Galchenyuk.

      ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • crane says:

      Anyone notice how many times Markov went back door on power play and D.D. and Patches never ever used him. This is were Markov use to get all his points.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      9 points in 14 games – not too bad considering they played the Bruins and Rangers, the number of d-zone starts, and the fact he didn’t get Chucky until round 3.

    • kalevine says:

      didn’t plekanec get way more ice time
      he’s getting 5 million a year to be a shutdown guy, which is a lot of money, and the best he can deliver is 2 good rounds in the playoffs.

      • SteverenO says:

        wasnt doing too much shutting down this playoff season, or last.

        heres how the centers performed defensively this playoff season:
        (even strength only)
        Plekanec — 264 Mins – 16 GA – avg 17 MpGA
        Desharnais– 259 Mins – 6 GA — avg: 43 MpGA
        Eller— 250 Mins 10 GA — avg 25 MpGA
        Briere– 128 Mins 6 GA — avg 21 MpGA

        Plekanec, our so called shut down guy was significantly the least effective centerman on the team this playoff season, Much like last season he “crapped the bed” defensively in the playoffs. During the reg season Plekanec played 1205 minutes at even strength and 39 goals were allowed in that span , an excellent MpGA average of 31.

        For the second consecutive playoff season little Davey Desharnais was by far and away our best DEFENSIVE centerman.

        If my memory serves me well DD was on for only one GA versus Ottawa in last yersus series. Plekanec, I believe, was on for 11 GA ( 6 even strength and 5 short handed).

        regards,

        Steve O.

        • kalevine says:

          I appreciate the stats, but as much as I am sour on Plekanec, I do realize he plays against the top offensive guys on the opposing teams. Still, he’s obviously not shutting them down super well in the playoffs.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          Blinded by stats – if you think DD was our best defensive center.

          Do you track where they start their shift, as in, what zone they’re in for faceoffs? Who they’re matched up against?

          How can someone who puts sooo much time into this not see the obvious. Such a waste of time.

  38. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Anyone else bored without the Habs?

    I come home from work and sit an watch Family Guy in Ukrainian… Sigh.

  39. Habfan10912 says:

    Marino now withdraws from the NFL concussion suit. Says he inadvertently joined.

  40. Prop says:

    Testing…

    Been having a hard time posting for some reason.

    ____________________
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  41. Marc10 says:

    Great comments on Pateryn via RDS today by Breezer. Seems like he might have passed Tiny on the ‘dep chart’.

    My all time fav legend Guy Lafleur wasn’t as kind to Patches and Vanek. He wasn’t impressed by the way the boys came out in Game 6. Threw them under the bus big time.

    Oh course it’s easy for Flower to say that. He was the best…

  42. CHicoHab says:

    It was very kind of the NHL to let Carcillo comeback to play in game 4. Just in time for him to shake hands and congratulate the Kings on winning the cup in 4 straight. I love it!!!

  43. Cal says:

    If you look closely at this season’s advanced stats, The Habs were worse than the laffs and so mismanaged that the last 6 weeks was an HIO collective hallucination.

    Both MT and MB should be fired immediately and Berkshire given the tiller of the good ship Hab. (Geez, where’s the sarcasm font when you need one?)

    At least it was good for a long laugh.

    • punkster says:

      You may want to check your facts before casting aspersions like that.

      Habs regular season analytics were better than the loafs in all categories except for shooting %, in which the loafs were 10th in the league at 8.2% and the Habs 12th at 8.0%

      Come on Cal, you’re better than this, aren’t you?

      Release the Subbang!!!

      • Cal says:

        Just reacting to another “stats” post telling us how terribly managed the Habs and MT were on the way to the semis.

        • punkster says:

          Maybe but the post you refer to did not utilize analytics and did not come from the source you suggest. I may not always agree with SteverenO and his methods of analysis but he does make a few compelling points below using basic statistics such as TOI, GF, GA and actual line combos.

          IMO he does not dig deep enough for my liking. Factors like quality of competition, offensive versus defensive starts, on ice defensive pairings who played with the guys he discusses are all key factors to determining success or failure. But SteverenO takes his best shot and makes his points based on facts and without disparaging remarks.

          Release the Subbang!!!

          • Habfan10912 says:

            And its always an interesting read and adds to the healthy debate in which Cal Is a huge part of here. Its what makes HIO the BEST Habs blog anywhere.

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            But he still doesn’t get the concept of sample size.

            The biggest knocks on Therrien during the playoffs are

            1. If the story is true, his misuse of Vanek.

            2. His stubborn use of Douglas Murray, which almost cost us the series against Boston.

            3. His inability to let’er rip in game 6.

            I think Therrien has pros and cons, but I sure hope Bergevin has lined up an offer to Mike Babcock for next year.

            —–
            Moving. Forward.

  44. Ian Cobb says:

    I feel like Youppi, I have a small camper, new 15 ft. boat and motor, fishing rods, but no cottage or spot to set things up. And no one to join me fishing! Is there anyone else out there that’s retired, or is everyone else 70 yrs old, dead or dying.???

    Two months to kill before I have to start organizing the Summit!

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Ian too bad you are not visiting in NB, I could take you to some real nice spots. Bait fishing or fly fishing (prime fly fishing is about here on a couple nice rivers) is almost full force now. The second trout I caught this year was over 15 inches and was about 1-1/2 lbs. Tasted as good look as it looked!

      Gotta love fishing here in the Maritimes, some wonderful brooks and rivers with nothing but wildlife around.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Ian, Chris and I are headed up to the border in July. We’ll let you know so maybe we can hook up for a day. We plan on an afternoon with Front. Would love to get together with you as well.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Hey Jim! Looking forward to you and Chris coming up to the Limestone City! We should get Ian up from Prince Edward County too. Saludos!

    • frontenac1 says:

      Ian! Spent 3 days pike fishing this week. Got totally wrecked with my excess playoff substances. Bass season starts in 3 weeks. Maybe we should hitch up then. Oh, and don’t feel sorry for that Evil Orange Bast#rd Youppi. He must die. Saludos Amigo!

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Our fishing/ drinking trip is June21-27 in NW Ontario. Party till 4:00 begin fishing between 12:00-1:00. Repeat. We bring wall size viewing screen (movies, poker table (fully loaded) air conditioner, and satellite radio. We really rough it. BTW the Walleye fishing is phenomenal. No Pike allowed in boats.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Youppi’s free.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

  45. SteverenO says:

    While I have resigned myself to the fact that MT will probably get his contract extended, I truly believe that doing so is a big mistake.

    Here are some examples of MT mis-management:

    1: Markov; OverPlayed all season when we had plenty of options to give him some nights off especially on back to back games. Even games he did play he was overused to the point of not being very effective; His (even strength) numbers during the regular season were:
    22 Minutes per Goal For – 26 Minutes per Goal Against
    in the playoffs:
    37 minutes per goal For – 26 minutes per Goal against.

    The fact that MT continued to give so much ice time to MArkov, despite the fact that he was obviously incapable of contributing to the offense is a large part of why we lost to the Rangers.

    2: Briere: Underplayed all season. he was acquired for his offensive skills, and especially for his stellar record of consistent production in the playoffs;
    His regular season numbers when playing left wing beside Plek and Gionta were unparalleled, The line played 18 minutes at even strength and were on for 11 goals for and only one goal against. Playing 17 playoff games and utilizing more than 25 line combinations but NEVER once playing the most effective forward trio from the regular season is, in my opinion, unforgivable.
    Whereas the whole season long Briere was not deemed “good enough” to play center come playoff time he was deemed not good enough for top 9 minutes and played at center on the 4th line with extremely limited ice time. Being shut out by the rangers in the final game and Briere playing less than 7 minutes of even strength time and only 14 seconds (out of a total of 4:00 Minutes) on the PP is absolutely incredible.

    3. Beaulieu: This one may be just as much on MB as on MT. During the3 regular season Beaulieu played 205 minutes and a total of 3 goals were allowed while he was on the ice. His average therefore, was one GA per 68 minutes of ice time. Compare to some other defensemen on the team:
    Markov, one GA per 26 minutes of ice time
    Subban, one GA per 20 minutes of ice time
    Gorges, one GA per 31 minute of ice time
    Murray, one GA per 24 minutes of ice time.

    In the playoffs, despite not playing until late second round, Beaulieu played 63:40 at even strength and only one goal was scored against the Habs in that time. In his infinite wisdom, MT played Beaulieu sparingly for the few games he was dressed, , despite both his offensive, and defensive, performance numbers being more than twice as good as Markov`s in the playoffs, and also much better than Markov defensively in the reg season.

    side by side comparison;

    XXXXXXX Markov —– Beaulieu (even strength -playoffs)

    mins per GA—– 26 ——— 64

    mins per GF —– 37 ——— 16

    XXXXXXX Markov —– Beaulieu (even strength -reg season)

    mins per GA—– 26 ——— 68

    mins per GF —– 23 ——— 22

    Again, not sure who to blame for this, but a clear case of mis- management.

    4. Vanek: Vanek came to the team at the trading deadline – He plainly and clearly stated a his preference to play on the left wing and after not finding any results playing next to Plekanec he is moved to right wing to play alongside DD and Pacioretty.
    During the reg season they produced very well as a trio:

    they played 190 minutes as a forward unit with 16 goals being scored and only 9 goals allowed at even strength, during the regular season. The line was broken up after 4 and a half games, and 76 minutes of playing time.|Gallagher being inserted in place of Vanek on the top line.

    At the time the change to Gallagher was made , the trio of DD , Patches, and Vanek had played 76 minutes of even strength hockey, and while they were only on ice for one goal scored they also were only on ice for one goal allowed. While not producing, the fact that the were not allowing any goals either, indicates that they were not hurting the team.

    Changing up this line (67-51-20), a line that was plus 7 in the regular season scoring once every 12 minutes, for a line (67-51-11)that played more minutes together than any other in the reg season, averaged a goal scored every 20 minutes, and was a minus 2, was not , in my opinion, a smart move.

    The error was compounded by a) putting Vanek alongside Plekanec, ( a move that was already was tried and did not work) and B) playing Vanek on the right side so that a rookie , Bournival could play in the left wing.

    5. PowerPlay: The line of 67-51-20 was an offensive juggernaut at even strength, with the team scoring a goal every 12 minutes with this trion on the ice at even strength. On the PP, for whatever reason, they were awful, playing together with the man advantage for 57 minutes and only being on for two goals; an average of one PPG every 28 minutes. Can anyone explain why this line got 36 minutes of PP time together in the playoff? The team scored 3 goals in that span, exactly the same number of PP goals that were scored with the line of Briere, Plekanec, and Gallagher; the difference is that the 48-14-11 trio only played together for 16 minutes on the PP.
    Does anyone doubt that they would have scored more if they were given some of those additional 36 minutes.

    How many more PP goals did the team need to change the outcome of the Ranger series?

    Another interesting PP stat; Desharnais played 56 minutes on the PP in the playoffs, with the team scoring 6 goals during that time.
    The team also scored 6 PP goals with Plekanec on the PP unit albeit in only 34 minutes of duty.

    6. Game 4 NY Ranger series OT;

    Emelin, who had been hurt earlier on the game was on with Markov for the losing goal in OT. Considering that his injury was sever enough that he didnt dress days later for games 5 and 6, does it make sense that he played almost 50% of the ice time in the 6 minute OT.?
    The PP awarded to the team 30 seconds into the OT period could have won us the game and changed the dynamics of the series. Who played on that PP?

    Wingers:
    Bourque – Vanek 1:33
    Pacioretty ,Gallagher- 27 seconds

    centers:
    Briere- 1:12
    Desharnais- 48

    WHy not our best Playoff PP unit of Briere-Plekanec and Gallagher?
    The line of Bourque, Briere, Vanek was a newly formed line that had NEVER played together during the regular season and beside that game played a total of 15 minutes together as unit. They had a grand total of 5:47 together on the PP , 4.57 in that very same game (of course with no goals scored)

    It is extremely frustrating, and totally unacceptable, when 15 games into the playoffs, the coach is experimenting with new PP lines for the most crucial PP of the season. The PP is a specialty unit, a potential weapon that needs to practice to develop consistency. It is mind boggling to me that a stanley cup contending team can simply throw together players in a random will- nilly fashion at that stage of the season.

    I could probably go on and point out at least another dozen examples of ice time mis-management during the playoffs, and countless numbers during the regular season.
    While, it goes without, saying, that Therrien has somne good qualities as a coach, his inability to recognize, and utilize the right players at the right time, and his weakness at putting, and keeping together lines and defense pairings, put his team at a disadvantage in EVERY game they play.

    Winning a game, or a series, should not impact the evaluation of a coaches decision; in other words the coach can make many poor decisions and his team still wins the game, just as a coach can make all the right decisions and his team still lose.

    when a single goal cam make the difference between advancing to the next round and going home, I would be happier having a coach who routinely makes “good” decisions, not one that continuously changes his line up without regard for each players, previous performance, strengths and effectiveness.

    At the very least, if they decide to extend MT, I would hope that the Habs begin to utilize data analytics to improve the team,

    I am NOT talking about advanced stats, lets just start with the basics, goals scored and goals allowed. It is not hard to come up with the optimal line combos, PP units and PK units, if they would simply look at and analyze the performance metrics.

    All in all, it was an entertaining, although at times frustrating, season. Lets hope we see more of the same next season.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • mrhabby says:

      lmao..but yet he went to the Semi Finals and has been to the playoffs every year since he has been a coach with Montreal..just dumb..sorry man.

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      • SteverenO says:

        @habby —-The TEAM went to the semis- my point was that the coach made many poor decisions, and quite possibly cost them a chance at the finals. I spelled out a few of them . Try to justify those decisions, or point out some good decisions he made, instead of laughing your “ao”.

        regards,

        Steve O.

      • habcertain says:

        remove Price from the equation and we treaded in Leaf territory during the season, we never would have got by the Bruins (TB showed us what it is like without a top flight goalie), and Price is out vs the Rangers, we were done . That is why we were in the Conf final.
        Steve’s stats show that Briere was never given the opportunity to contribute, because he is not a MT player, like Vanek, and any other like potential UFA player.
        He was canned in PIT because he couldn’t manage young offensive players that stacked the Pen’s roster, and here we sit with a gaggle on young’uns ourselves, that is a cause for concern.

    • chilli says:

      Steve O – you are delusional my friend. MT’s mistakes did not cost us the finals – we got beat by a better team. And guess what, this playoff season was NY’s story, not ours.

      Our story was playing the worst team in the playoffs (TB) and then beating the Bruins. The B’s hit so many posts, so many scrambles that could have gone into our net, yet we won. Price played incredible and then what MT did with the lineup was great – it ensured our win. The whole team was not ready for NY and game 1 decided our fate.

      You live in outer space if you think a coach that brought this team to a 100 pts season and two wins away from the Stanley Cup finals doesn’t deserve an extension. Pre this season, you, me and the whole universe had us maybe missing the playoffs or just sneaking in.

      And when the Leafs went south with 6 weeks to go, we went north. A lot of that is coaching.

      Some of you arm chair coaches should go cheer for another team or be a fan with some sense of reason.

      Tre

    • CH Marshall says:

      I think if we lose Gallant, we’ll really see what MT is made of

    • JUST ME says:

      Every couple of weeks you come out with this long long comment with stats and everything and try to explain why YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
      I appreciate the hard work you put in your comments and they are very informative wich is more than i can even say about my comments or most of the comments posted on HIO. There is just one thing that you need to understand Steve. You can come out with those comments because with this group of athletes Michel Therrien tried,changed,failed,succeeded,shook, guessed,dared and risked many moves. Most of them were fruitfull but it is easy now to say you would have done better because he took all the risks.

      M.T. took this team within 2 wins of the Stanley cup final . He is a perfect man ?. No he isn`t , i am not either but am not sure what you think about yourself. The team did better than any Habs edition has in decades.

      • Cal says:

        Sssh, you have to say that in numerical form. Two wins from the final and look at how much better I would do with benefit of 20/20 hindsight and the numbers to back up my silly argument. Silly, because reality is that the Habs were 2 wins away from the Final.

      • habcertain says:

        Price did, really we rode his back all year.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yikes.
      What you’re missing in your statistical analysis is that stats only tell the story AFTER the fact and cannot predict how things will happen.

      Therrien went with players who were working well together, and tried to wake others up by changing things around. He made some excellent moves, and was one of the reasons we went so deep this year.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Beijing Hab says:

      The market is pretty bare. Who do you hire to replace him? In MT’s defense, he has helped guide PK to a new level. I agree that he did misuse a few of the players during the playoffs

      喜欢蒙特利尔冰球!

  46. CHicoHab says:

    Forgive me Krob. Yes I missed Eller. He’s on my keeper list.

  47. Mavid ® says:

    Off topic has anyone else heard about this group that is lobbying the government for an embassy. They believe that space aliens landed here a long time ago, and in a science lab created living creatures all the way up to humans . Observed them for a while and then left..they want an embassy..seriously..the poor guy interviewing I am not sure how he did it and sounded authentic..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  48. habsfan0 says:

    Nothing to do with hockey,but tonight is the televised Leadership Debate among those vying to be Premier of Ontario.
    There’s no Pauline Marois among this triumvirate,but the evening still promises lots of laughs,lies,and loquacious chatter.

    i.e.,more fun than another Laffs collapse.

  49. UKRAINIANhab says:

    All of this talk about trading people…

    It’s more likely no one will be traded! :0

  50. scavanau says:

    Just got back from my NYC vacation. Was outside MSG for game 6. They were still asking $350/seat in the 2nd period… No tickets for me.

    Still wondering who keeps telling Jimmy Fallon he’s funny?

  51. veryhabby says:

    Ok the “center” debate.

    I think it’s too soon to say that Eller has arrived and can take over Pleks spot. I think we may need another year of “proof”. eller can say all he wants he’s a top 6 and wants to play center…but he has to show it consistently.

    Gal has to be moved over sooner or later at center.

    To me there is another season before we need to worry about trading one of DD or Pleks. Both bring something very different to the table. And I think you can NOT truly know who to trade of the two until we see how Gal and Eller develop. If Gal is able to replace DD offense….then of course DD goes and you keep Pleks and Eller. If Eller keeps putting up 3rd line center pts, then maybe you keep DD/Gal and let Pleks be traded for value.

    At end of day, I think team needs more time to see what GAl and Eller become before they decide which goes. The issue of course is how do you give Eller and Gal the center position both with DD/Pleks still around. Then the management team has to guess what will happen and trade one away.

    Ever think that maybe MTL doesn’t believe Eller will be a top 2 center. Trade him away and in a few years we see GAl, DD, Pleks (in that order) as our centers?

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      How can Eller show he´s a top 6 guy when he doesn´t get a chance to play a top 6 role? He isn´t Crosby. He can´t produce on his own. He needs linemates and PP time.

      • shiram says:

        He could stop taking awful penalties, stop holding on the puck too long, produce better numbers over a large period of time and be consistent.

        If he can’t do those thing as a 3rd line, he won’t be able to be a productive second line C.

        • Paz says:

          Eller doesn’t make 5 million and hasn’t been in the league that long.

          Eller out played Plekanec by a mile in these playoffs. It wasn’t even close.

          • shiram says:

            As I told you earlier, that’s a small sample size, which I said above, he needs to be consistent in his production, but also in his game.

            As for not being in the League so long, he’s got over 300 NHL games.
            He had 4 more points than Pleks in the playoffs, while enjoying easier matchups.
            And he’s due for a raise anyways, so I don’t see how that matters at all.

          • Paz says:

            Dude, the sample might be small, but those were the most important games of the year!!

            You can spin it any way you want.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Great point Paz, add to that, Pleks has been to the rodeo before and is supposed to be one of the leaders. He did not bring it this playoff or last!! If his value around the league is as high as some think here on HIO, then it should be easy for Bergevin to land a top 6 power winger for him!

            Habfan17

          • shiram says:

            I think he played great in the playoffs, and that’s awesome.
            But I would not bet the next season on him being able to bring it 82 games in and out.
            He’s been inconsistent ever since he got into the League, and he’s had hot streak ever since also.

            You are judging him by only 17 games, while he’s played over 300, and has not produced as a top 6 center in those seasons.

            His best was the lockout shortened season, and on that one he had one hot streak, and struggled for most of the rest of the season.

            I’d love to him be a top 6 center, 2-way 60 points guy, but he has not shown the team he is able to do it with consistency, and I don’t think he’s ready just yet.

          • habcertain says:

            Eller could easily replace Pleks, has sound D capabilities, more upside in the O zone, better face off guy, bigger, younger, cheaper.
            what’s left? oh yeah, would look good in a turtle neck.

      • alain58 says:

        1.Desharnais, 2. Plekanec, 3. Galchenyuk, 4. Eller, 5. Prust, 6. Briere, 7. White.
        Yes Eller is top 6 center. White is top 7 ;)

    • piper says:

      Just like they needed more time to see if PK was worth it. Man, did that one backfire.
      Galchenyuck has the skills and vision to be the first line centre on this team. I don’t know what more Lars has to do to prove he’s a #2 centre now. Move one of DD or Plek while they have some value. Whitey can do a good job as the #4.
      It’s time for the youth movement now.

  52. HammerHab says:

    I agree with most that it’s time to move on with Gionta and IMO a perfect replacement would be Callahan. He’s similar to Gio in that he plays RW, will make about the same amount of money as Gio did, and brings leadership. But where he excels in comparison is his age, size and physical play. A perfect upgrade/replacement IMO.

    ———————————–

    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  53. CHicoHab says:

    Guys like Price, Subban, Gallagher, are special. Guys like Patches, Galchenyuk, Weise, Bournival, Beaulieu, Tinordi are keepers. Guys like Plekanec, DD, Bourque, Gorges, Emelin, Briere, Moen, White, Prust, Gionta, Vanek, Markov, Bouillion, Murray, Parros. These I wouldn’t lose any sleep if they went elsewhere. IMO

  54. HabinBurlington says:

    Dan Marino pulling a Rick Vaive and withdrawing his suit…… something fishy going on.

  55. Harditya says:

    New Jersey Devils re-sign defenseman Marek Zidlicky to a one year, 4 M dollar contract. I think this is a very reasonable comparison to Andrei Markov as both of them are in their mid 30’s, put up similar point totals (43 for Marky, 42 for Zidlicky) and both played 22+ min every given night. As discussed in the previous thread, I also don’t like the idea of re-signing Markov at his current cap hit of 5.75 M. He’s just not as effective as he used to be, he’s become slow and fatigue always plays a factor at the end of the season, more so for him with the abuse his knees have taken. The Habs have no choice but to be less dependent on him and for that he has to take a pay cut. I am hoping for a max cap hit of 4.5 M, but let’s see if MB can make this happen.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I don’t think there are many GM’s who would take Zidlicky over Markov. Markov is a better, smarter player. I think Markov will get a bit more money, a bit more term, and the fact is on the open market could get far more than he will likely take in Montreal. Look for a 2-3 year deal, maybe 4.5-5 million per.

      • Harditya says:

        You’re right about him being a better player than Zidlicky. But anything more than 5 M and at a term of 3 years, we’re looking at a Gionta type contract where the latter years are huge overpayment for his services. Yes, the Habs would have a massive hole on the back end without him next season, but this is also a transition stage for Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn. I don’t see Markov as a top 4 defenseman in 2 years.

  56. Kooch7800 says:

    Reports are that 2 years for Michel Therrien is a done deal. Can’t argue with his results. I am not a big fan but he has done something right I guess

    • Strummer says:

      The fact he has an extension doesn’t necessarily mean he will here for 3 more years.
      Coaches have been given extensions as severance (Ron Wilson).
      Coaches contracts don’t count against the cap so when Therrien’s shelf life has expired he will be shown the door regardless of the term remaining on his contract.

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  57. foodchains says:

    Not sure about toker as backup. Should he play more? If price would play a few less games knowing toker gets experience and he is well rested throughout the year it would be great. Problem is with thoroughbreds like price they want to play all the time. Hard to develop a backup that way. Toker benefits from more games.

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    Concussion Protocol

    Until the NHLPA takes this subject seriously, I see no changes in the foreseeable future to the protocol which most of us may think is a pile of horsedung.

    Everyone saw that Weise had his bell rung and was woozy on the ice. However, just as the player wants to return to play, coaches want players to return. Both hope it is just a “knock” and want to believe it isn’t a concussion. Said player answers a few questions to a Doctor, and before you know it the player is back on the ice.

    I think many of us want to believe our Habs team is different than other, that we are classier, that we have better doctors, and that we care more about our players than other teams do.

    Some of that may be true, but end of the day these players and coaches are all the same and want to try play through anything, especially in the Playoffs with a taste of the Cup Finals in their grasp.

    My point is that, I think many have been critical of MT or MB in how this was handled, or how the Habs Doctors handled it. But at somepoint, doesn’t the NHLPA need to start giving a rats ass about their own safety and for once come out on the forefront of player safety?

    This same NHLPA was against helmets, against visors etc…… to me these players need to bare some responsibilities. Put the pressure back on the league, it can only help the lawsuits which are soon to follow in the NHL as they are in football.

    • Luke says:

      I think it was last season, but I recall Mike Smith getting his “bell rung” behind the net and being ‘out-cold’ on the ice. Attended to by the trainer for several minutes.

      Now Smith is a noted diver, so perhaps that was taken into account, but the fact that he did not leave the ice to go to the “quiet room” for further evaluation showed how serious the league, the players, the refs and management are about this.

      I’ve said it before, but I truely believe that we are the ones who are most concerned about player safety.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Everybody rags on Bettman and the league owners but when it comes to player safety and improving the game, the NHLPA is a bigger joke than any of the other stakeholders. These guys all grew up with the game and have a vested interest. Sadly, they only seem to worry about money.

      24 Cups

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree, and that was my primary point. Especially in light of these NFL Lawsuits, only a matter of time and the NHL players will be filing the exact same suits. Yet they don’t seem interested in trying to help themselves. Perhaps there is some legal angle to this that I don’t understand, where they are trying to make all safety issues to be league mandated only, so they can blame the league later….. who knows, but seems ass backwards.

  59. Paz says:

    I think the extension for Therrien, when it’s announced, is deserved. I said when the playoffs began that if he took us past Boston I would support an extension.

    I also think it is great news for Alex Galchenyuk.

    Therrien can now move Galchenyuk to center, which is his stated goal for the young man.

    Odd man out? Has to be Plekanec.

    Eller really solidified his place on this team during the playoffs, and showed so many doubters how wrong they were about him.

    Desharnais also worked very hard especially against Boston.

    Plekanec had a very average and sometimes below average playoff, and he has now become expendable.

    We’ll see if Bergevin can pull the trigger, maybe at the draft??

    • CH Marshall says:

      What kind of NtC does Pleks have?

    • shiram says:

      I see many people discarding Pleks, and the rethoric is always that Eller has arrived, and can take the spot, with no issues, basically.

      I disagree, and I’ve been an Eller supporter ever since the Halak trade.
      And I also disagree about Pleky having bad playoffs.

      Eller had a great playoffs that’s for sure, but that’s a very small sample size, and if you look at his career number, he’s not a top 6 center. It would be a huge gamble to trade Pleky and hope Eller can take those responsibilities.

      Plekanec had some tough times in the playoff, but that comes with his role, he’s the top 6 center with shutdown duties. He plays the Crosby, Stamkos and any other top lines in the league, and that’s a tough job. So he had a bad +/-, so what?
      His point production this playoff is just below his regular season totals also.

    • Cal says:

      I hope the Habs can make a splash at the draft by trading Pleks + for the RW that will be sorely needed when Vanek signs elsewhere.

      • habsfan0 says:

        Vanek has not discounted the possibility of signing with Montreal.
        He’s said he loved the atmosphere here and he knows the team is on the cusp of winning something major,which is a priority for him.
        Although,because of his disappearing act in the playoffs, I wouldn’t give him more than $5.5m,max per year.

        I’m fairly certain Minny will beat that figure,though.

    • krob1000 says:

      If the plan is to move Galchenyuk to center than IMO DD is the guy to go. If the plan is to leave Chucky on the wing then PLeks is moved for something of value. I don’t feel you can have both DD and Chcuky as two centers and be successful under MT…there is not room for 2 sheltered centers ad both Dd and Chucky will require really good wingers. IF the team were out of playoff cotnentiuon then no biggie….but they will be very much in the hunt and cannot aford to have Chcuky learn AND protect DD with top wingers adn all favourable situations and matchups.

      • Paz says:

        Desharnais proved this year that he is worth keeping. He played his heart out and he helped Max score a ton of goals. Then it was Desharnais who had the offensive chemistry with Vanek.
        Desharnais will not be traded.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I doubt it would happen, but would rather see team try and move DD thus giving Galchenyuk keys to the first line, or even Eller, leaving Plex as our premier 2way centerman.

      Our supposed #1 line looked very average in the Rangers series.

    • Richard B says:

      Ahhh, no, I disagree.
      Offence is very easy to observe and when a player has the puck its very easy to observe. Its much more difficult to evaluate how a player plays D or without the puck.
      There is no way Eller replaces Plecks.
      I like Eller, but your not comparing Apples with Apples here.

      Richard B

  60. JUST ME says:

    A bet is a bet. We lost, we agreed to the conditions so… Not like those sore loser Bucking fruins with this small car Habs flag on the huge flag pole in front of city hall in Boston .

  61. habsfan0 says:

    Good to see Fallon enjoying his little bit of fun at Habs fans’ expense prior to his meeting the same fate as Conan O’Brien as host of The Tonight Show.

  62. Pucknut says:

    Check out Dalton Thrower’s younger brother here. Don’t know if either one of these guys has any talent; but, you can’t question their heart.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcXolcgY8aw

  63. PeterD says:

    Why isn’t anyone talking about the Habs need to resign or dump Louis Leblanc?
    Former high 1st rounder that becomes an RFA July 1st.
    I’m thinking he has worked himself out of the organization. GONE!

    • Cal says:

      Using “work” and Leblanc in the same sentence? Nah, more like he shuffled off at the speed of Tim Conway’s old man impression.

    • Say Ash says:

      I’m pretty sure Harvard starts up again in September.

      • D Mex says:

        If he was at Harvard on a scholarship, it is long gone now. He could return there and pay the very high tuition, altho there are also plenty of good schools in Canada …

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

    • 24 Cups says:

      It’s a two way street as far as I’m concerned. The Habs badly mishandled this guy’s career path. And to think he could have a four year Harvard degree under his belt as well as a year of seasoning in Hamilton.

      24 Cups

      • Paz says:

        He did everything the Habs asked him to do last summer, then they didn’t even look at him in the fall.
        Bergevin didn’t draft him and doesn’t want him; which is totally Bergevin’s right as the new GM. That’s business.
        Each time he has been called up he has held up very well.

        And as far as his work habits. There are very few hockey players I have ever met who work harder.

        • habcertain says:

          it would appear that this was more of a MT decision as opposed to MB. he is just not the type of player that can play under MT, nor does the coach appreciate that skill set, plenty of examples to validate. I think Bourney sticking was the last straw for LL, he will move on and nothing appears it indicate he can’t make it. we can’t keep tossing offensive players aside and hope to progress.

          • Luke says:

            I think it has more to do with Leblanc and Bournival than it has to do with MB or MT.

            There weren’t many spots open for that type of player and Bourney beat Leblanc out.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Marc said it was up to the Kids to prove their spot,not him.
            Clearly LL has not done this yet. His fault for not progressing. It’s the Big League and it’s a business.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        Everything that is wrong with hockey in Canada, Junior. Americans have it right, send the kids to school.

        It’s sad watching an organization dangle a carrot (NHL) in front of an 18 year old kid so that he abandons his opportunity to pursue post secondary education. The same was done to McCarron last summer.

        • Cal says:

          So, they can’t go back to school after signing an ELC for hundreds of thousands of dollars and then failing to make it?

          • habs-fan-84 says:

            No.

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            Personally I know a bunch of guys who have done that, one here is a chiropractor, one a financial planner. A couple of them have done this even after short NHL opportunities, so yes, it is possible to go to school after playing hockey.

        • olematelot says:

          Why can’t he, the CHL provides educational money to players who want to persue university after their junior career ends. There are many former players playing university hockey.

          • Luke says:

            He played Pro, so the CHL busery is scrapped.

            That said, he can still go and pay for it himself.

            (Man, i wish I was this involved in my own education!)

    • CH Marshall says:

      Anyone seen him play in Hamilton this season?

    • PeterD says:

      I feel bad for the kid…in hind sight he should have stayed at Harvard and got the degree.
      I do als agree he was serioysly mismanaged by the Gainey/Gauthier regime when they picked him at all and then tried to get him on the NHL ice too soon…all because he was a Franco player.
      But I agree, he just does not seem to be in MB’s plans.
      I can see MB offering him the minimum contract offer for an RFA.
      If that happens or not I believe LL will look to Europe for the next step in his career.

  64. bwoar says:

    Jimmy Fallon is the Corey Locke of comedy.

  65. Luke says:

    n the previous thread someone asked about Ryan Mantha. My local squad just acquired him. Here’s an article about him.

    http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2014/06/02/icedogs-add-mantha

  66. 24 Cups says:

    Carcillo gets his suspension reduced. This is total bullshit for a guy who is a known nutbar. I wonder how the on-ice officials feel about it.

    Even the ten game suspension was wrong. It should have been at least 11 games which would have taken him totally out of the Cup race. I would have added on another dozen for the beginning of the next season to emphasize the point by hurting his pocketbook.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=453850

    24 Cups

    • Cal says:

      A lot of folks over there agreeing with Bettman on this. Quel surprise. Not! Theirs are probably the only posts that are allowed. ;)

    • Arnou Ruelle says:

      Don’t worry about him. If he steps his skate on the ice for this SCF, he better be ready for the Kings! I don’t think his size will manage the beating that he and his Rangers will get.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      don’t worry about it. The guy is a goof and can only hurt the Rangers. As I am cheering for LA this is a good thing ;)

  67. Luke says:

    Just stumbled across something that touches on two of the non-hockey topics some of us discuss here from time to time:

    Running and Autism.

    http://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/runner-with-autism-finds-success-on-the-track

  68. joeybarrie says:

    They did better than I realistically expected. However I thought we could make the finals once we beat the Bruins.
    The truth is though, you gotta be happy with this team.
    Things are coming along very well. We are competing and doing great.
    Best part are the options we have right now.
    Tokarski is going to be a pretty decent if not better goalie. So maybe use him as back up, but sooner or later we are going to trade him. Hopefully we get a lot back.
    We got plenty of young talent and only a few holes to fill. While they are big holes given our expectations, it is very likely we are close to competing for one of the top 3 teams in the East.
    Going to be a very interesting (and long) summer. Looking forward to a lot of golf, etc but there is always a big part of me that screams for October to start.
    Gotta replace Vanek.
    I hope we keep Gio, we can use him on the 3rd line. Seems a great option to me. But its hard to accomplish.
    Gotta re-sign Markov. if we don’t, it will be among the dumbest things we will have done in a while.
    Of course Eller and Weise need to be re-signed (PK goes without saying)
    I liked Weaver as well, but we need to get the kids up.

    So who do we get to replace Vanek? (not ignoring the option to sign him) How much, and realistically who can we trade for if we do?

    • Luke says:

      With regards to the discussion surrounding Tokarski.

      I don’t see much return for him, should he be moved. The goalie market is dry.
      Miller & Hiller are two proven commodities that are available.
      Reimer’s available, he’s got a decent track record. At least more so than Tokarski.
      Anahiem, in addition to Hiller, has Anderson and Gibson. Both well regarded. One of them could be moved.

      Most teams have, at the least, decent goaltending.

      It’s really a bad spot for Tokarski. He’s too old to be treated like a prospect (waivers eligibility etc), but he’s not quite ‘back-up material’ like Budaj for a bona fide starter like Price.

      Perhaps a team takes a gamble on him, but I suspect it would be for little return and after 3 or 4 other goalies move first.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Budaj can’t come back to the Habs. Management knew that the minute they didn’t start him in Game #2.

        Tokarski has a decision to make – do I want to be a Hab back-up for the next two years and make 600 grand or do I want to go back to riding the buses?

        Either way, Montreal is still in the driver’s seat. Fucale is long term insurance just in case Price turns out to be injury prone.

        24 Cups

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          Of course he can come back, and likely will. He’s not a child and has proven he is capable of accepting the back up roll, whether it was to Price or to Tokarski.

        • Schmarkty says:

          Should Price go down with an injury again though and miss 10 – 20 games or something, Tokarski could have a great chance to show off what he can do again. If it happens before the deadline and there are teams out there looking for goaltending help, he could be dangled at that point.

      • joeybarrie says:

        Miller is done for if you ask me. Tokarski provides a long term option to a team that has a goalie like Miller where they need someone to transition to.
        Good goalies who play like Toks did in your first NHL games and playoffs dont come along all the time, and are always a valuable commodity.
        He can back us up next season, and if he is doing well. We can get good value back. Probably a prospect, but hopefully a pretty good one.

        • CH Marshall says:

          I think it’s better for Toker to be backup to Price, give him time to mature a but as he’s still young and get used to an nhl season. Working with Stephane Waite will only make him better

  69. BJ says:

    De la Rose confirms he will be playing in North America this coming season. He said either Montreal or Hamilton. If he ends up in Hamilton I hope he likes it more than Nygren.

    • habs_54321 says:

      i hope we get a new coaching staff in hamilton that is capable of developing players

      • shiram says:

        I haven’t heard the presser from MB, but others said he’d keep Lefebvre in Hamilton.

      • BJ says:

        Unfortunately not. Bergevin confirmed Levebvre was continuing. He would not be my choice as I watched enough Bulldogs games this past season only to see a rather depressed team with no system and poor line combinations (although he didn’t have too much to work with).

    • JUST ME says:

      Man we have so much problem with authority ,Therrien ,now Lefevre dont we ?

      The bulk of Bergevin`s draft picks will be getting to Hamilton over the summer . Until now the majority of the team was from the Gauthier/Gainey era with mostly hopeless carreer AHLer. Could we give the guy a chance to work with new players ,new hopes and really impliment Bergevin`s strategy for the farm team ?

  70. B says:

    Tim Bozon is already back in the gym (and on the golf course). Here’s hoping for a fast and thorough recovery. Go kid Go!

    https://twitter.com/timbozon94/status/471284989460750336/photo/1

    –Go Habs Go!–

  71. arcosenate says:

    Whatever.

  72. shiram says:

    What’s the point in having rules, if they are not followed.

    Darren DregerVerified account ‏@DarrenDreger

    NHL reduces Carcillo suspension from 10 games to 6.

    edit: and here is the explication:

    After considering Carcillo’s appeal during a hearing at the NHL’s New York office on Friday, May 30, the Commissioner ruled that Carcillo’s actions were more appropriately deemed a violation of Rule 40.4 for deliberately applying “physical force to an official for the sole purpose of getting free of such official during or immediately following an altercation.” The Commissioner determined that as appropriately re-classified under Rule 40.4, and under the totality of the circumstances, a suspension of six (6) games was the proper penalty.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      No different than how the league changed the penalties/punishment with New Jersey and the Kovalchuk escapade. This league continues to embarrass itself in how wishy washy they are.

  73. Paz says:

    Budaj will not return next year.
    Tokarski will be the back up.

    Write it down.

  74. alain58 says:

    Should be even better as his system is very taxing.

  75. habcertain says:

    his play did all the talking I needed to hear, 9,4,10…Les Habitants!

  76. frontenac1 says:

    The Flower had a Disco Dance instruction record out in the 70″s. Man, he was a Legend on the Ice and with the ladies. He might have been hammered when he made those comments. No big deal, Max and TV are big boys. Saludos!

  77. habcertain says:

    I hear you Sly, felt a little ill myself, self medication maybe the way to go!


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