Pursegate: It’s not the heat, it’s the stupidity

Purse
Not the famous one in Tampa

Some morning-after news and views, 24 hours and change since a couple of Canadiens and common sense were separated in a Tampa bar:

The news: A stupid rookie error?
Red Fisher column: How stupid can these pampered athletes get?
Pat Hickey column: The post-midnight potential problem

142 Comments

  1. Scotty90 says:

    He killed someone in a car accident…. was DUI at time!

  2. joe-hab-nuno says:

    I would actually say between 3 and 6% of women forget about their purses.

  3. joe-hab-nuno says:

    I was just pointing out what one of the possibilities might have been. Everyone or most people are calling him a theif or it was a prank. I was just trying to see if there was a reasonible explantion to the whole story. Cuz it doesn’t make sense that he is just standing there with a purse in his hand. How many times have you gone out and spoken to a women only to find out you forgot her name at the end of the night? No where did i mention i knew everything that happens cuz i work at a bar, just a possible senerio

  4. TommyB says:

    Perspective, RS…some people have it, and some don’t! This alleged “crime” committed by O’Byrne and Kosto wouldn’t even be in the newspaper if it happened outside of sports. Can’t say the same for the two you have mentioned. You could add Ramage to that list.

    Perspective….glad to see you have it.

  5. idle says:

    I’m not blaming O’byrn yet either. Don’t know enough facts. But the same people who tell us not to jump to conclutions of guilt seem to be jumping to many conclutions of innocents too.

  6. ZepFan2 says:

    How about we add one more, Mike Tyson.

    I bet he’s allowed to travel in and out of the U.S..

  7. dicktracy says:

    alot or average Joes who work hard in restaurant/bar/hospitality business would not agree that having a group of ‘wealthy patrons’ ring up a large bill is not a good way to spend their money. I am sure that most or all wealthy poeple also give generously to charities at least as much as thier accountants tell them too but i think that ‘throwing money around’ whether for a new suit, car, or a night on the town is a good thing and I wish they would bring more of it my way.

  8. idle says:

    You work at a downtown bar and you think there has to be a reasonable explanation for his actions? I’m not accusing him of anything but there certainly can be some unreasonable explanations for his actions too. He could simply be drunk and stupid. He could be arrogant and think he could get away with it. He could be like one of those people who steals a pack of gum just for the shit of it. I have seen drunk people outside of bar before who punched someone in the head for no reason while a cop was standing right there and they new he was standing right there so why would they do it? When late night and alcohol and ego are involved nothing has to make sense.

    Again I am not accusing him of any of those things, just pointing out that this argument of why would he do that doesn’t mean squat.

  9. Robert L says:

    The woman does have some responsability too, no?

    Nobody should blame the victim.

    Blame the situation but understand that perhaps irresponsible people collided here before branding someone a purse thief.

    Misunderstandings are never settled with common sense where there is alcohol.

  10. idle says:

    Check the tread you are in :)

  11. idle says:

    Go to a thread about hockey if you want to talk about hockey. Don’t come to a thread about this incident and expect people not to talk about it :)

  12. idle says:

    Well he is not saying that he should be kicked out of Hockey. He just would prefer to see him playing in a different uniform. I don’t think anyone is saying he should lose his playing career over this…

  13. Robert L says:

    I was more or less inferring to Red Fisher’s comment and the one sided news story.

    Surprised – no. Just disappointed some in the rationale of it.

  14. idle says:

    It’s not so surprising at all. If the courts are involved and BG suspends them then isn’t the team acknowledging that the players were in the wrong? Better off for him to wait until the matter is resolved, and by that time they may have already been embarrassed enough that no extra penalty is needed from the team.

  15. idle says:

    Why are you so surprised that posters on here are quick to judge? We judge these players instantly for any mistake they make on the ice, so why should it be any different for the mistakes they make off the ice.

  16. J.T. says:

    I understand what you’re saying…and I’m sure you’re right. It’s just that it wasn’t clear whether you were saying the woman involved was one of those sports groupies.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com

  17. idle says:

    So no decent woman can be in a bar at 3am??

    Very typical attitude of blame the victim. If she was at a bar at 3:00am then she must of been a hoar and if she leaves her purse sitting on the bar then what does she expect will happen, of course it will be stolen. She should not have allowed herself to be in such a vulnerable position.

    Pure garbage Prof, pure garbage. Go teach your ‘students’ that mentality…

  18. J.T. says:

    A woman has as much right to be in a bar at any hour as a man does. It doesn’t mean she’s loose, drunk or underhanded. It might mean that she’s out with her friends for a special occasion, not looking for any trouble…kind of like a bunch of hockey players celebrating rookie initiation.

    AND we don’t know the purse was unattended. The story said she laid the purse on the counter. She may have been speaking with someone and not looking at the purse when it was picked up. My point was just that, as mjames is saying, benefit of the doubt is important when we don’t know the facts…and it should go both ways.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com

  19. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    your story makes sense from the fact that 99% of women don’t leave their purse unattended…I don’t leave my wallet at the bar if I go to the washroom!…the only question is if he was going to score or not…if so then he is justified to hold her purse until she got back…if he was not to score then he stole her purse, and I have to think thats the case since like i said, what women doesn’t take her purse to the washroom?

    he’s guilty, get rid of him!
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    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
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  20. idle says:

    Reminds me of how the politicians throw our money around like there is a never ending supply. If we spend too much no problem we will just shake the public down for some more of it. Thankfully their are more then a few players like Koivu who also do very helpful things with a lot of that money too.

  21. mjames says:

    It was not my intent to infer that there was anything untoward about this particular woman. It is a fact of life that there are sports groupies who frequent those places where athletes go sometimes (i.e. bars and sporting events). There is nothing wrong with being a sports groupie. As with any group in society some are good and some are bad. All I am saying is that the sport groupies, in general, are much smarter than your average jock and as such athletes should be careful.

    mjames

  22. idle says:

    What a lame ass argument. The lesser of two evils? So someone here in Toronto has shot someone to death so that makes it ok for me to steal someones purse because it is way less bad then shooting someone.

  23. J.T. says:

    Thanks for the kind comments, Robert. I’m just blowing off steam when there’s no place on HIO to expound on a given subject. Sometimes, we just can’t stop talking about this team!

    As for mjames…I know he didn’t mean to generalize…but it came across that way nonetheless. Another case for benefit of the doubt.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com

  24. joe-hab-nuno says:

    here’s my take on the story, since i work at a bar downtown i’ve seen simalar stories first hand. He met that woman and they were both hammered. He was probably going to leave with her and take her to his room. She probably went to the washroom and O’byrne took her purse and phone and was waiting for her outside. When she came back from the washroom she noticed her purse wasn’t there anymore, freaked out and alerted the doormen. They called the policemen and they saw O’byrne with the purse and phone. Asked him who’s it was, made up a story that it wa his girlfreinds’ purse do avoid anything. The police knowing that there was a purse missing asked for her name. O’Byrne not really catching the women’s name that night cuz all he wanted was some action, of course couldn’t remember. She either freaked out that there was all this comotion and felt embarressede about the whole situation denied she knew him.
    Thazt is the only logical explanation I could come up with. Why the hell would anyone just be hanging out right in front af a bar or club with a purse. Purse snatcers normally take off to thee washroom or ally grab all the stuff inside and throw away the purse.

    Either my sory makes sense or it was some stupid hazing trick.

  25. Naila Jinnah says:

    We have the answer to questions 5 and 6.
    The police were already in there (although the official statement is that they regularly patrol the area) because they were arresting a former NBA player.

  26. habsguy says:

    I thought this was a HOCKEY chat?????…None of you know why he did it, none of you were there…..sooooooo leave it alone. When it comes public that it was a dare, a prank, maybe he needed to make a call, maybe he wanted her number, HELL maybe he wanted to freshen up with her make up….nobody knows…so lets let it go..

  27. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    A women at a bar at 3am is not random!…she certainly wasn’t a librarian!

    Good points from Mjames though, especially the unattended purse, women don’t leave their purses unattended.
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    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  28. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Ok. Leafs suck.

  29. Robert L says:

    J.T. I don’t believe MJames meant to generalize a cross section of females with that comment. In any society, there are all kinds. Pointing out the existance of a certain kind should not infer that all are the same.

    BTW, big congratulations on your site and welcome to the Habs bloggosphere. It’s about time you did this!

    I will be reading it avidly, and linking your posts to readers at HW as often as I can.

    If ever there is anything that I can help you out with, I would be happy to do so.

    Best of luck to you!

  30. Chorske says:

    I’m thinking the whole 20$ missing is bull. Why would the kid need $20? Settle, get the nice lady to drop the charges, and hope O’byrne gets much smarter in a hurry.

  31. teamplayer says:

    hey jt the odds are if there are no women in the bar there wouldnt be any guys in there either

  32. 24 Cups says:

    kRob – Are the Habs playing tonight:-)?

    The Original 24 Cups

  33. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    because the case is before the courts, the team is not taking action in hopes to defuse the situation….if the HABS severely disciplined Obryne then the courts may follow.

    but that said, Obrynes days are numbered…just like RIBS…
    The Habs are too classy an act for fools.
    And Gainey is a pillar of class.
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    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  34. Habhopeful says:

    There are certain times when a team is given a curfew and sunday was a time when there was no curfew that is why they had the practice at 4:00 p.m the next day, if the practice was at 9:00 am the next day and there was a curfew then it would have been different…Seriously prof, you want to abolish O’byrne over something like this, gimme a break, hockey players are humans like us too, they make mistakes, move on, let it go…you sound ridiculous…

  35. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    not sure how you arrived at that?

    I was simply giving an example of another recent EMBARRASSING moment for an NHL player…and then trying to show a potential difference between a forward and a defenseman in regards to doing something STUPID and how its perceived.

    so if you think that the actions of tSLUTsky from the laffs is not EMBARRASSING or its OK to have those types of pictures go public when you are an ambassador for an NHL franchise and the league, then thats another debate.

    what OBryne did, although not sexual in nature, but equally stupid as tslutsky.

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    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  36. wd40 says:

    you’re right.

  37. wd40 says:

    couple thoughts on purse-gate:

    o this certainly seems idiotic, but the fact that BG (given his character) has stated the Habs are not going to discipline BO, i can only surmise they were able to provide him with an “acceptable” explanation.

    o they should probably reconsider having parties outside of Montreal. the local police would probably have handled the situation differently.

  38. krob1000 says:

    Can we please talk about hockey.

  39. Robert L says:

    I think a major head shake is needed here as the whole story is not yet known, and might never be, but everyone is so quick to judge.

    Kudos to MJames and Factoid for tapping into this, and a big thumps down to Red Fisher for genaralizing that every athlete is pampered and stupid.

    Call this post a mock sarcastic rant if you wish, but I think some important questions need to be brought up about balance and fairness in news stories bordering on sensationalism.

    O’Byrne – What Really Could Have Happened At the Whiskey Park Bar

    http://wwwrealitycheckeyesontheprize.blogspot.com/2008/02/obyrne-what-really-could-have-happened.html

  40. Tobiass says:

    Holy Cow!!! Lets go down the list of crimes commited by athletes. Ohhh, lets start with murder and armed robbery (OJ), dog fighting (Vick) steroids (baseball), domestic disputes, sexual assaults, DUI etc. These things end careers and the athletes who commit these crimes and they are losers. I’m not condoning what O’Byrne did but a miss-understanding or joke gone bad involving a purse is way down at the bottom of the athletes committing crimes food chain. Be thankfull he stole a purse and not a homerun record.

  41. habs12345 says:

    good comments

  42. J.T. says:

    I agree benefit of the doubt is important when we don’t know the facts. But you neglect to point out that the woman involved may not have been one of “these women who hang out at bars and sporting events.” She might just have been a random woman who panicked when her purse went missing. We have to be careful not to condemn others while excusing our players with the benefit of the doubt.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com

  43. Hoegarden says:

    We’ll see how mentaly prepared he is tonight.
    In the old days they would be on their way to Oakland or Minnesota by now.
    I for one would give him the simple “two strikes and youe’out”.
    cheers

  44. ZepFan2 says:

    If OB is denied entry to the US over this, then justice in America is BS.

    How is it that stealing a purse is worse then killing somebody?
    Where’s the logic in that.

    If Heatly can get in to the US, so should OB be allowed (if convicted)!

  45. Jonnyboy says:

    Its Habs Inside/Out. Not Habs only hockey. This is due to happen.

  46. mjames says:

    Translation Please

    I interpreted your post to mean that you are a homophobic and that anyone stealing (perceived or other wise) a purse must be a homosexual.

    mjames

  47. teamplayer says:

    idle i think your right 100%, he was just drunk and stupid, couldve been looking for a smoke cuz him and the boys were closing that bar down. Party Hard!!!

    does anybody have any lawyer knowledge and would have an idea of what will happen?

    did o’byrne look like he had one hell of hangover while talking to the media? i thought so

  48. Hoegarden says:

    Windsor-Hab,

    there were only two possible dates where the Habs had two nights off for this “Rookie Initiation Night”. This past w/end and in two weeks (Phoenix).
    In fact Carbo had arranged for the team practice to be at 16h00 instead of the usual 09h00 or 08h00.
    It’s all water under the bridge. I find the timing of this due was not handled properly. I certainly would have cancelled this following two humiliating losses, just to send a message.

    Let’s see how focus those two are tonight. If the Habs lose then this stupid 1/2 hour outside a bar will followthe team for much longer than they need.

    Sens are already gearing up for the playoffs and fans are all puzzled over a teenage prank.
    I’d say that BG has more important issues to deal with.

  49. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Obryne is not the WALL we thought we had….

    We’ll now that its become obvious that Obryne took the drunk womens purse, I have to say that he should be removed from the team immediately.

    I only say this because he plays for the Montreal Canadiens.

    You know, if it was Avery, I wouldn’t be surprised….but Avery is too smart for this stupidity, even if it was LAP, well it may fit his persona as an agitator, but still I’d say get rid of him.

    But the act came from a towering defenseman. One we’d hoped would follow in KOMI’s shoes, a powerful hitter that can keep pace with the speedy forwards barreling towards our zone. One who would follow the footsteps of Savard and Robinson, where the opponents would have to go through a wall before even reaching the net. An intricate piece of the puzzle on our way to Lord Stanley.

    Now he is a laughing stock…and that alone is career threatening for a Defenseman.

    if he was a forward he may be able to get away with it…look at the homosexual that plays for the leafs with nude pictures of himself and other men on the web…I haven’t seen the puke, but it was all over the papers.

    But Defenseman are a different breed….they need to be a wall.

    UnBryian is an idiot….trade him…or at the least send him back to the dogs.
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    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  50. showey47 says:

    agreed, or at least make it a charity dinner in montreal so at least the 10′s of thousands of dollars that are spent go back into the community for worth while causes.

  51. showey47 says:

    agreed, or at least make it a charity dinner in montreal so at least the 10′s of thousands of dollars that are spent go back into the community for worth while causes.

  52. Proudones says:

    You’re assuming there is never a curfew. The fact is that there was no curfew on this particular night due to the rookie party. That’s why the practice was moved to 4:00 p.m.
    In my opinion, everyone is entitled to have a night off.

  53. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Take the team out to Burger King and donate the thousands to charities. What a waste.

  54. tony d says:

    If 50 is the new 40 and 40 is the new 30 etc…. then O’Byrne’s 24 years must be the new 14, which at that maturity level explains his childish behaviour…. it all sounds like a grade school/ double dare you/prank…
    this will soon be forgotten and we can go back to complaining about the snow, and the Habs performance etc..
    the only purse that matters tonight is a W

  55. Ian G Cobb says:

    Mikey –We work hard to help pay there salary.!!

  56. WindsorHab-10 says:

    The part of this story that really bothered was Carbonneau’s response to a question about his team being out until 3a.m. “They’re adults and there’s no curfew”. Are you kidding us? I’ve never heard of “no curfew” when it involves any sports team. Can you imagine what would happen if teams were allowed to do whatever they wanted with no restrictions. I find this very disturbing.

  57. mjames says:

    I will preface my comments with two words “Duke Lacrosse”.

    We do not know the facts. From the posts it looks like it is split between lethal injection (God you have to love us Yanks) and freedom, although there are few reporters who have voted for the former. We should not rush to judgement even though it appears that, in the legal sense, he did steal a purse. Stealing is defined as

    “the wrongful or willful taking of money or property belonging to someone else with intent to deprive the owner of its use or benefit either temporarily or permanently. No particular type of movement or carrying away is required.
    Any appreciable change in the location of the property with the necessary willful intent constitutes a stealing whether or not there is any actual removal of it from the owner’s premises.”

    While the act of stealing appears to have taken place in the legal sense, someone who is stealing does not stand outside the place where the crime occurred and wave the stolen goods . It appears there was no intent to steal. There are a number of unanswered questions and we have not heard from O’Bryne. Some questions might be:

    (1) What is O’Bryne version?
    (2) Did O”Byrne have any conversations with the woman?
    (3) How did the woman come to leave her purse on the table or bar. Was she there all the time or did she leave the purse?
    (4) Did she ask O’Bryne to mind her purse?
    (5) Why did the police come? I find it hard to believe they would respond to a stolen purse.
    (6) Were the police already there? If so why were they there?
    (7) Was there some other altercation taking place when they stumbled onto this theft?

    I could go on and on with these questions. I do not think the case is a clear as Red Fisher and Pat Hickey make it out to be. I will agree that nothing good happens after 2:00AM. Maybe O’Bryne has learned something. One of the things he should learn is that these women who hang out at bars and sporting events are a damn sight smarter and more street wise than your average jock. Secondly police in the States, especially those in the south, have had it with these pampered athletes. You stay out late at these bars and someone is going to try to take you down. The players should know this by now.

    It will be up to O’Bryne’s lawyer to get him out of this mess. I do not think he will lose his livelihood. It would make more sense to have him do community service. Listen half our members of Congress would not be able to work if the same standard was applied to them.

    mjames

  58. HKisses says:

    “It’s a shame for everyone involved but it’s not the first time these kind of things happen,” Canadiens head coach Guy Carbonneau said Monday. “We’ll let lawyers do their business and we’ll concentrate on hockey.” Well said …FINI ..Lets all Move on…

  59. RetroMikey says:

    Wow! Spending thousands of dollars for steak and wine and for the rookies to cover the bill? Absoulutely ridiculous!! If I were Bob Gainey, I’d abolish this ritual that the team has that goes on as well with other NHL clubs. Give me $10,000. I’ll put it into good use by paying off a portion of my mortgage. Players just love to throw their money while we, as Average Joes, work hard to make a living.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  60. JA says:

    Theft is not a minor issue in the US and being drunk is not an excuse, the team usually assigns a chaparone or a couple of senior players the task of keeping rookies out of trouble, yes O’Byrne is to blame but so are his team mates for allowing it to get that far and the team for not having a curfew.

  61. JA says:

    Bill, this was the question.

    When asked whether he was concerned that nearly half of his team had been out at 3 a.m., Carbonneau replied: “They’re adults. They can do what they want. They didn’t have a curfew.”

    I agree my opinions on Carbo have been forming for some time, I had hoped that he would do better in handling the press.

  62. HKisses says:

    I don recall of MacTavish….What happen with him?

  63. HKisses says:

    Exactly,share the same views as you on this situation…Yes and i didn’t even note Kobe Bryant and other athelets that have done way worse then this….

  64. HNS says:

    Sounds like the arresting cops are being butt plugs. Go figure. Take the fine money and move on already…

  65. RS says:

    I still have a hard time believing that Heatley and MacTavish could continue their hockey careers after KILLING someone, but we are to believe that OB’s career is in jeopardy over a purse stealing allegation!

    Am I the only one who remembers the MacTavish incident?

  66. Habs_008 says:

    I am already bored with this story, So he got licked and took a purse, worst things have happend, I have done worse things then that when I have been under, WAY Worse! I am sure his career is not in trouble, he will be slapped on the wrist, maybe pay a fine and its over. Some Guy on the Laffs is going to Jail after the season, if they can have him crossing over countrys, why not O’bryne.

  67. Odie Cleghorn says:

    Assuming of course Carbonneau can read! Based on his incessant line juggling and constant tinkering it doesn’t appear that he’s read any quality coaching strategies lately.

  68. Odie Cleghorn says:

    I believe it was that renowned coach, or was it poet, Keats, who penned these immortal words during one of his pre-game chalk talks: “Drinking…a pause from thinking.” Who amongst us has not suffered from similar pauses while under the influence of our favorite libation or two?Unfortunately, down here in the Police States of America, some of these “law enforcement officers” have little discretion,less intelligence and no judgment and just love to flex their power in situations like this, especially when celebrities or athletes are involved. Netx year’s rookie dinner should be held during a road trip to Toronto or Ottawa when last call is at 10:30!!

  69. HKisses says:

    On a better note……Can’t wait to get back to watching some hockey….hopefully we comeback strong from that 6-1 loss

  70. Jay in PA says:

    I’m guessing that it was a lame joke gone terribly wrong that put the purse into O’Byrne’s hands. It was then his own state of mind (immature and drunk) that caused him to lie to the police instead of telling them, “I found this purse and was looking for some way to identify the owner so I can return it to her. Why don’t you take it from here?” The police knew what was happening–a drunk kid rifling through a purse in the open is hardly the image of a seasoned thief. O’Byrne and Kosto just made it worse by challenging the cops instead of going along with the process.

    It’ll wash over within a week, O’Byrne will give her a few hundred bucks for her mental anguish, she’ll decline to press charges, and it will blow over. American athletes do much worse than this (cf. Cincinnati Bengals, Minnesota Vikings, Kobe Bryant, and, as HKisses noted, Dany Heatley) and nothing of serious consequence happens. He’ll get a fatherly talking-to from the cops and BG and then everything will be back to normal.

  71. HKisses says:

    Well O’Byrne brought this onto him self….So i don see what else Carbo’s expected to say….. Its a player from the team,but im sure their was concern for the players ….Just not when he talks with the media….Jus because you watch the news and see what Carbo says doesn’t mean thats how he feels about his players….the Media killed this story ,and made it something out of nothing….He was drunk and got arrested …boohoo…. THe media jus blew this whole story out of proportion…The bottom line is O’byrne has to deal with this as a personel matter…and this has nothing to do with the Organization….simple

  72. Bill H says:

    I agree that Carbo’s published response does not show much insight into the situation or compassion for the players. However, we don’t know what the question was, or what else Carbo may have said during the interview. We only have a 5 second sound bite. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions about how Carbo handles and treats his players from that. Perhaps you jumped to your conclusions long ago.

  73. JA says:

    Carboneau needs to read the book on ‘How to diplomatically reply to press questions in the NHL for dummies’.

    How can he reply with ‘They’re adults. They can do what they want. They didn’t have a curfew’, did he not have time to prepare for a proper statement that showed some concern for the players, concern for the team and also accepting some responsibility for what happened, but I guess it takes a real leader to do that.

    I am disapointed because I believed that Carboneau would mature as a coach and gain respect from his players, but his replies to the press also gives us an insight as to how he handles and treats his players, basically with disrespect.

  74. HKisses says:

    Honestly SH!T happens…..When it does u Flush it down the toilet ……..People make mistakes,and Obyrne made one….Now lets move on please. Their for sure won’t be any problems with Obyrne traveling. Dany Heatly was put on probation and basically killed someone,but was still able to travel. So i don’t see this being a problem…..Now lets move on and think about hockey….Gainey already spoke with him and they put it behind them…. Time to Destroy Tampa Bay

  75. nightmare_49 says:

    Nice blog and that’s pretty well the way i feel about trades , minor only unless theirs something you can’t pass up.

  76. Proudones says:

    Why don’t you people just chill out?
    You have no idea what really happened, yet you’re already aiming your rifles at these guys.
    As for the late hour, don’t tell me none of you have ever had any company parties that ran late.
    People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

  77. Blitzen says:

    What I find interesting is how so many people are saying this is normal. I’ve been out drinking late as a 20 year-old but I haven’t stolen anyone’s purse or wallet.

  78. HKisses says:

    Thats you….. And we still don’t know if it could have been a team joke gone sour ….But who cares put it behind us and focus on tonights game.

  79. Infanteer says:

    I can’t get upset about this scenario . . . it’s just too damn funny. Just picture it! Imagine what the poice thought!

    “Who owns this purse.” “My Girlfriend.” (at which point the police – for some unknown reason – ask) “What’s your girlfriends name?” And he says . . . classic . . . “I don’t know!”

    Reminds me of a Simpson’s episode:

    Homer: Excuse me, my name is Mr. Burns. I think you have a letter for me.

    Teller: Ok Mr. Burns, what’s your first name?

    Homer: Hmm . . . I – don’t – know. [later] Great plan, Bart.

  80. Proudones says:

    So the only issue you have is only out of envy for the amount of money they are making.
    At least now we know what is driving your comments.

  81. Ian Cobb says:

    Wow.! I’m impressed , First time that I have been reading your posts that I have agreed with most of this one. Nice to see you giving just your opinion. Keep it up. Ian

  82. Ian G Cobb says:

    I gave a reply to you, but i had a melt down here, multi tasking is not in my repertoire yet. But it gives me a chance to use my new vocabulary words.

  83. NightRyder says:

    What a couple of pious oldtimers Red and Pat are. Disgracing the sport and the sweater? Give me a break. I guarantee Red has seen and heard some things that would curl your hair. And Hickey is concerned that Carbo isn’t giving a group of adults a curfew on a day off? Ridiculous. Maybe you two should just hike your pants up to your chest and complain fulltime. This incident will go away quickly.

    Here’s a comment from a police spokeswoman:

    “This kind of charge usually does not prevent the individual from leaving the country or coming back,” Davis said, hinting that Kostopoulos and O’Byrne could finish the season without any problems.

    Translation: it’s not a big deal.

  84. Ian G Cobb says:

    EASY to see Scotty 90 has been around the block a time or two. Man can he ever make a beer last, keeps him out of the back seat of a cruiser for sure.!!!

  85. showey47 says:

    lmao keep up the good work buddy

  86. Scotty90 says:

    Yeah… been around the block a couple of times… I remember a similar incident that occured in the early 80s’ when I used to hang around Sir Winston’s in Montreal… It was all dealt with amicably… police weren’t called.

    I’m nursing the Beer, Ian…. waiting to get together someday with you folks to really put them away!

  87. Ian Cobb says:

    Hamilton Summit April 11.!! I will refill yours for sure.

    If you play on my team and keep me out of the back seat.

  88. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    thats the best explanation i’ve heard so far!…no lose ends, and Kostop is known to be a joker.
    ———
    1. BREEZE MUST NOT SEE THE ICE AGAIN
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev…..at his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  89. PGHABS says:

    I agree fully

    ______________________________________
    Pessimism is a cowards way out.

  90. RH says:

    After much consideration, I’ve come to the conclusion that I like 19:00h starts better than 19:30h starts. Leaves me more time to read up on all the great posts people write. Uh…tee?

  91. V. says:

    Hey, I resent the fact that some people have been calling the woman in question a whacko. If I was in her situation I would call the cops too. Maybe she felt intimidated by the whole drunken team being around and maybe bullying her. Whatever. Most likely it was a prank gone horribly wrong.

    We should all just forget about this already. The players are no different than any other people and why everyone thought they weren’t in the first place is beyond me (especially when CTV said a couple of times that you wouldn’t expect this from O’Byrne, a Cornell graduate, hey just because you graduated from Cornell doesn’t make you better than the rest of us and less prone to make mistakes, geez).

    The game tonight… oh boy I hope they can pull together a win. I really hope they do. Everyone is catching up to them :( I need a win to keep me sane. lol.

  92. HKisses says:

    LETS PLEASE DROP THIS………..WE HAVE A GAME TONIGHT…..i have a feeling the habs are gonna play a fast paced and a full 60 minutes today…Anyone else think so?

  93. Ian G Cobb says:

    Look.! Non of us were there first of all, and second, there has been more ink and time waisted on this than the Richard Zednik tragedy.

    I just very much dislike gossip and people including the media selling something as to there own agenda. When not one person knows anything except for a police report.

    Now after saying that, I have been around hockey a long time. I have billeted both AHL, and mostly OHL players that are playing in the NHL. Some are retired and some are still playing in the NHL.

    All of them have been away from home some of them as young as 16, living with strangers all over North America. Basically they have been brought up in the sub culture of this game. Young men that in all honesty need and want to fit in with the team family as they hone there skills in order to take the next step up in there profession.

    This is why it is so very important to have the best leadership possible on any given team. Not only to show the way on the ice, but social skills with a lot of young players are lacking. There living a dream and a constant reminder of reality is needed. Especialy when drinking and puck bunnies are present.

    They all mature at different ages, as you and I did. I’m never going to make an excuse for any wrong doing,and they need there ass kicked and hard sometimes as you and I did. Sometimes they need more than that but I wanted to remind you people that even if they are our entertainment and our hero’s., they are still growing in life as you and I are. So lets just wait before judging, thanks.

    IAN

  94. HKisses says:

    Exactly….Lets talk about the game tonight since this damn Blog is on top of the friggin Game blog……Come on HIO…The game is tonight and the O’byrne was yesterday….

  95. krob1000 says:

    I’m all for flipping the tonight’s game blog over this one. I’d rather read the thoughts of a couple hundred wanna be g.m.’s and coaches than this crap……let’s get back to what we do best. We have no Greta Van Sustern’s in this group so PLEASE let’s talk about two very important games in Florida (both of which could help boost these teams into sales mode) and a home and home. I would never wish injury upon anyone but Simon Gagne just had another mild concussion (or so they think) and Upshall is still hurt as well. As much as I feel for Gagne that does help our chances. We have a big week folks.

    Gainey is also in Florida watching two teams that are rapidly falling out of contention and rumoured to be sellers if they continue to struggle(we can help that). He may just be vacationing but something tells me he’ll be watching these games VERY closely. The Sens just made a big move and have added a secondary scoring unit potentially…..ouch. We need to do the same or hope Ryder, Higgy and Saku regain their form (they did look promising in the first half of the Saturday slaughter).

  96. Sbah Reverof says:

    Thank you, Ian. Let’s wish R. Zednick a full and speedy recovery, and get back to being neurotic, over-analytical manic depressives with a few too many minutes to spare!
    In all seriousness, though, the recent unpleasantless in Florida has distracted us from the fact that we are in a mini-slump, having played a few so-so games lately, far different from the free-wheeling style of the last month.
    So what’s changed?

  97. showey47 says:

    one notable, hamrlik was out and the breezer was in. We did out shoot,out play the laffs but just like toskala did against the wings on saturday. He stole a game for the laffs. Just like on saturday where we did have the bad start with the sens scoring 3 goals on 4 shots. We ended up outshooting them 12-5 in the first meanwhile missing alot of good chances to score. The powerplay looked good with puck movement, but couldn’t score. The breezer took 2 dumb penalties and it cost us 2 more goals.

    The sens scored 6 goals but wouldn’t of been surprised of they had only 10 quality scoring chances. We had double that but couldn’t cash in.

  98. krob1000 says:

    ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TALK ABOUT HOCKEY PLEASE GOT TO HE TONIGHT’S GAME THREAD AND LET’S START THERE.

  99. Sbah Reverof says:

    Also, i thought the Kid Line was great for awhile, then got broken up, and lacked chemistry in their brief reunion. Anyone know if Hamrlik is back from the flu?

  100. Ian G Cobb says:

    I disagree a little SHOWEY— I saw the leaf game and i went to Ottawa for that poor show. Just because we out shot them does not mean that the goaltender stood on his head. Heck I could have gone between the pipes for Ottawa and done as well. Come out, play your angle, catch the puck, simple.!

    We had very slow puck movement, no one in front, and no 2 or 3 way passing plays. Easy nights for the opposition in there end. It looked like we had E. Pucktile Dysfunktion the past two games.

  101. showey47 says:

    i always respect your opinion ian but toskala was the first star of the game against the habs, that itself, speaks for something. Against the sens we missed two breakaways and hit a ton of iron, even though posts don’t counts as shot on goal. It does show we did have enough quality chances to get back in the game. With any luck we could of come out of the first period tied or only down by one. Then its a new game.

  102. Scotty90 says:

    The boys were having a whale of a time at the bar… it was getting very late, they’d had more than a few, O’Byrne was hitting on a gorgeous and very tanned patron, but she is not really interested… Last call is made, the girl is dancing with some other guy or maybe a girlfriend (certainly not gone to the washroom…. Have you ever seen a girl go to the washroom without a purse?) The boys a ribbing OB because she is not dancing with him. They get up to leave, and TK gives OB his jacket (with the purse inside it… as a joke) and once they find their way outside laughing and stumbling, OB finds it a bit coolish so decides to put his jacket and…. whoah.. whats this? who’s freaking purse is this? laugh;;laugh… chuckle..chukle.. from several players.. but the the worse possible thing ahhpens… girsl comes back from dance floor… finds her purse gone… tells bouncer who finds OB outside holding purse and trying to figure things out… cops arrive and you know what happens next! Very plausible story wouldn’t you think? and I’m sure what really happened is something close to this.

    TK was probably feeling like a real shit and trying to explain to police but they took him in as well! its all going to be resolved folks… so don’t worry. I have faith that we have a class bunch and there will be a very funny explanation.

  103. CDK says:

    I didn’t know that ‘The Secret Lives of Hockey Wives’ was a reality show…starring Ryan O’Byrne.

  104. REB says:

    “Anyone is innocent until proven guilty.”….ummm, yeah maybe in the eyes of the law, but in the court of public opinion the oppposite is more common…and the court of public opinion can have a far greater impact on someone’s life, especially if they are found “not guilty” in court.

    Anybody remember/know about the Duke lacrosse rape case? What about claims of child molestation/rape? The end result is always the same…the news media plasters huge stories about the arrests all over the place, and the reputation of the ALLEGED criminal is tarnished (ruined in the case of child molestation accusations). Fortunately for the Duke lacrosse players, Duke University and the city of Durham have deep pockets, so those boys will never have to work/rely on their reputation to get a job…but what if they had to rely on a civil lawsuit against the stripper who accused them of rape? Good luck to them!

    Far better that the media never report these accusations and arrests; I want to know the outcome when O’Byrne and Kostopolous are judged, but until then, I don’t “need to know” that they were idiots.

  105. teamplayer says:

    I actually just read an article about that situation, march 2008 issue of mens health. Since the media made such a hoopla about and deemed everyone guilty, and although the results from the dna test had not been returned yet, the university had too much pressure on them and were force to cancel their season and fire the head coach mike pressler. His reputation was ruined and had trouble finding other jobs as most schools would not even think twice about hiring b/c of one persons lie.

  106. NightRyder says:

    You are out to lunch professor. Look at the jersey that serves as your avatar. My all-time favourite player by a wide margin – but a noted party boy. Remember when he just about killed himself in his Ferrari? I guess you wouldn’t want an “immature fool idiot” like that in the organization? Or maybe if you had a goalie like Patty Roy who had a domestic incident? Guess you’d jettison him too, huh?

  107. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    true, we don’t know the whole story…it must or could have been a prank played on him, and he was caught holding the bag.

    I’m just trying to raise awareness that your actions while being a HAB need to be taken very seriously, on and off the ice.

    I don’t want to see Obryne go, he is what we have been dreaming of for years, a strong, physical defenseman in Robinsons mould…

    as you say….to the game!
    ———
    1. BREEZE MUST NOT SEE THE ICE AGAIN
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev…..at his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  108. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    crashing a Ferrari is expected from Lafleur, shocking but not surprising based on his high speed style….Roy was a bit of an enigma but aren’t all goalies enigmas?…so hearing that he was physical in domestic problems is again shocking, but not surprising…either of these incidents would NOT classify as “fools or Idiots”.

    But drunk 3am stealing a womens purse is stupid and fool and idiot.

    the good thing is that because its soo STUPID…it will be quickly forgotten.

    so too the GAME!!!!
    ———
    1. BREEZE MUST NOT SEE THE ICE AGAIN
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev…..at his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  109. NightRyder says:

    I see. So you don’t want prankster purse-snatchers in the organization, but you’ll look the other way for drunk drivers and domestic disputes? I know how I would apply the word idiot in this case.

  110. Habhopeful says:

    well in regards to him not saying anything is because he’s nto allowed to probably told by his lawyers to keep his mouth shut about the matter cause it’s in legal hands now, all im saying was it was a misunderstanding and you are ready to cruficy him and obviously bob gainey isnt gonna “send him to the dogs or trade him” because he knows the whole story and believes there was a misunderstanding…He’s young,he did something stupid and he knows it, he’ll learn and know better from now on, let’s just forget about it and focus on hockey…

    “I Still Believe…”

  111. idle says:

    If it was a team joke then in what situation would it not have ‘gone sour’?

  112. wd40 says:

    Do we know if Huet in nets tonight?

  113. Geezerfan says:

    As we used to say in Old Quebec, WWT (whoa, whoa tabernacle)!

    We only heard the dry details of the arrest itself, that is the police report. I am absolutely certain that there will be explanations and reasons given by O’Byrne himself and his team mates. Even in the US one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, why are most of us ready to hang the kid before he even sees the inside of the courtroom? I don’t know about many of you, but I was 23 once (albeit a long time ago), did some stupid things under the influence that could have been misconstrued as illegal, strictly speaking.

    Life’s a whole mess of nuances.

  114. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Kostopulos for captain.One question ,why was the purse not on the lady’s shoulder or in her hand or the phone clipped to her person?And how drunk was she and does she have any priors?Was she being a groupie type?

  115. Sulemaan says:

    Anyone is innocent until proven guilty. That is how the justice system is (supposed) to work in Canada and the US. There should be nothing less for Kostopolous and O’Byrne. Based on other comments we all agree to that.

    If the Canadiens decided not to take any actions then there must be a reason. Both Bob Gainey and Guy Carbonneau don’t strike me as the type of people who wouldn’t come down hard when the situation warrants it.

    They also stand up for their players (i.e Gainey chastized fans for booing Brisebois, defended Souray when he was having marital problems, etc) and in turn the players are loyal. Markov and Kovalev were both UFAs and resigned with the team but could have gone elsewhere for more money.

    Remember last year when pretty much everyone (including myself) was screaming for Kovalev to be traded? Aren’t we glad that Gainey showed better judgement than to listen to us?

    I remember back in the early 80′s when a young promising defenceman called Rick Natress got suspended for smoking a joint in junior and an over-zelaous NHL commissioner John Ziegler suspended him for over two dozen games. The Habs didn’t stand up for him and he was never the same player again. It doesn’t seem like the Habs will hang out O’Byrne to dry.

    I will also say this, having worked in the service industry, I’ve seen how professional athletes can behave with too much alcohol in their systems. It’s not pretty and a combination of extreme wealth, stardom and testosterone can be a deadly combination. A false sense of entitlement.

    I just hope that the players show better judgement in future. It could very well be the players were minding their own business and someone tried to get attention. It could be the TB police got overzealous. Who knows?

    The trick is that the players have a responsibility to avoid putting themselves in situations that represent a potential risk to the reputation of themselves, their teamates, the Saint-Flanelle and their fans.

    The Montreal Canadiens may have not won a cup for 15 years but they are not just ‘any’ hockey team. With that reputation comes greater expectations, rightly or wrongly.

    Looking forward to a big game tonight.

  116. Robert L says:

    Well said!

    This is a lesson in judgement for sure!

  117. Jonnyboy says:

    Well written. Right on.

  118. Ian G Cobb says:

    At a boy Saulmaan, nicely done.

  119. Habster101 says:

    does anyone here think that this girl is trying to pull a fast one on an NHL player? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I wouldn’t doubt it, she probably said “oh can you hold my purse for me while I go to the washroom?”

    she was probably a whack job…a crazy

    what does Obyrne need her peurse for? $20 bucks that was probably in it? he makes half a million dollars…

    never doubt the power that a women has, especially with the law, they are always beleived even if and when they bullshit their story….

    thats why Kostop and other NHLers interfered with the cops, because they knew the cops were making a mistake.

  120. J.T. says:

    Glad to see “benefit of the doubt” isn’t just an idle term around here.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com

  121. idle says:

    Apparently the benefit of the doubt only applies to our players and not the lady with the purse, who is apparently a ‘whack job… a crazy’

    If her motive was money then why would she say she was only missing $20?

    As for the police believing her or not, it is not their job to believe her or not it is their job to file the report on the complaint. It is up to the courts to do the believing or not.

  122. mrstewart61 says:

    the thought crossed my mind, i guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  123. RH says:

    Isn’t there a game tonight?

  124. tony d says:

    Wait this is the Habs Inside Out site right?
    phew for a sec I thought I’d stumbled on the Nancy Grace site.
    Next thing you know, we’ll be blogging about Britney Spears!!
    C’mon folks let’s talk hockey
    Leafs Suck!!!!!!! Go Habs Go!!!!!!!!
    P.S. yesterday the Leafs held an outdoor practice(in Riverdale) for 300 or so school children who’d never seen the Leafs in person. Now they have a better idea of what a bunch of delusional,and whiny crybabies look like. At the end of the practice, Wellwood threw pucks into the crowd… I guess it’s to get them back for all the tomatoes that have been hurled their way all season.
    I intend to scream “ET LE BUT!!!” many times ce soir

  125. RH says:

    After the last couple of games, I think we ALL need to scream “ET LE BUT!!!” tonight. Get out some built up frustration.

  126. RH says:

    I’m pretty sure there is. According to the schedule, it’s a 19:00h start.

  127. showey47 says:

    The key to this whole thing is probably not the purse itself, definatly not the 20 bucks, but maybe the cell phone. Since all phones pretty much have the feature of pictures and video, perhaps ryan or another play may of been captured on the phone in a less than admirable position and may of been afraid of it ending up on the internet. Not saying tlusty type pics but maybe a non-single player being with a girl from the bar. Just another theory to throw in the ring.

  128. idle says:

    That’s a unique way of looking at it. Just another angle to add to this growing tabloid :)

    I must confess, I love scandal…

  129. Habster101 says:

    good point could very well be the case,,,

    I doubt very much that he just stole a purse becasue what? he’s a raging theif…lol

    she probably had some personal stuff in the cell phone of them and didn’t want it leaked out.

    or maybe they were just messing with the girl, having fun, partying and being drunk maybe they took it a little too far and she couldn’t handle it..lol

    sure now it doesn’t look too good, you know the media will blow this one out of proportion to make it sound worse than it really was….

    thats why Gainey isn’t doing anything, its probably not as bad as it sounds…

  130. Habhopeful says:

    Prof, it’s a good thing you dont work as a judge because god knows everyone involved in a crime would be in jail regardless the fact of guilt or innocence, I’m glad it’s only your opinion and not worth squat to the organization, to the team, to Ryan and to us, what did you think of the duke lacrosse team?? you probably thought of sending them all to jail before all the facts were in, luckily for society your not involved in the judicial system….LET IT GO! let’s get back to talking hockey for F***S SAKE…

  131. idle says:

    Why are you guys all coming to a thread about this incident and telling us not to talk about it???

  132. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    in regards to the LAW I never said he is GUILTY! where did you get that?

    I am talking about another law…far more powerful than ‘the law’ and ‘the judges’ that you myopically bring out.

    the Law of Les Canadiens.

    we don’t need immature fool idiots in our organization..thats what I said and for that he is guilty. (if he is in fact guilty of stealing the purse, we don’t know all the facts…but if he wasn’t it would have come out by now and he hasn’t said anything to clear the air…in this case that in itself points to guilt)

    so if i was the Canadiens Judge who is Gainey…then to the Dogs or trade…unless an attitude adjustment takes place.

    like i said, hope this isn’t a RIBS scenario again.
    ———
    1. BREEZE MUST NOT SEE THE ICE AGAIN
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev…..at his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  133. showey47 says:

    That being said, the fact that this story has twice as many posts than the story about the game tonight is pretty sad. I Just hope we have one pissed off rhyno tonight and carbo has the smarts to dress him.

  134. HKisses says:

    Because its done with….they shouldn’t have even put up another Blog about this situation….2 is enough …One about what happen with the situation…and What gainey had to say….i don’t get why they have to put another blog about the same situation when we have a game tonight and that should be the main focus

  135. idle says:

    I guess the fact that there are 3 pages of post already tells you that people are finished talking about it? Why don’t you discuss the topics you want to discuss and let me decide the ones I want to discuss. Seems fair to me.

    Besides we have 82 games a year to talk about the teams on ice performance but I should hope we won’t have many more chances to talk about their purse stealing habits :)

    And if you think we are talking about this subject too much then try reading 800 posts a day every day about how much Breezer sucks.

    Get my point?

  136. Habster101 says:

    yah but all a women has to do is cry wolf and the whole police force will be on her side…

    tabloids will be scattered and then guess what? the players will be in the situation they are in now.

  137. Blitzen says:

    It’s gonna be interesting to see how those who keep saying that it’s a simple error defend O’Byrne if he is in fact denied entry into the US. That would be one hell of an expensive error for the Habs. If this happens, I’m guessing that rookie dinners will happen in private clubs in Montreal from now on. Either that, or there’s gonna be a chaperone and a curfew for the annual event. Call it a “Designated Thinker”.

    How many Tampa fans will show up at the game with BIG colourful purses?

  138. G-Man says:

    O’Byrne’s lawyer will take care of this mess. Let’s hope he’s learned something from this. Time to worry about tonight’s match up.

    Gilbert

  139. nightmare_49 says:

    I’m with you G-Man , especially after reading only a few posts from these perfect posters yesterday i knew i had to pack it in before my day was ruined by these holier than …. wankers who make me sick and only turned on the site early this morning. Back to the drive tonight.

  140. Shan says:

    No, a stupid error can be taking the 401 West when you want to drive from Toronto to Montreal. Stealing a purse isn’t an ‘error’, it’s consciously, idiotic, criminal behaviour. And maybe it happened because he wanted attention or something, but calling it an error sounds almost tolerant to me.

  141. J.T. says:

    It’s certainly idiotic. Conscious? At that hour of the morning, after consuming untold amounts of alcohol? I doubt it.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com

  142. Y says:

    Real stupid stuff what these overpaid athletes can pull off while under the influence. Stealing $20 is REAL bright! – Guess the sting of paying for the dinner got to the guy and was trying to get some of it back.


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