PuckCast, Vol. 2, No. 19 [Podcast]

A special edition of your weekly PuckCast today – Inside/Out’s Pat Hickey, Dave Stubbs, Mike Boone and our resident referee Kevin Mio – who has better hair than Kerry Fraser – are in the studio high atop Montreal Gazette headquarters to discuss Tuesday’s National Hockey League trading deadline and how it affected the Canadiens and other clubs, all of whom now settle in for the stretch run toward the playoffs. Feel free to disagree with us. Which surely would be a first. And forgive our outdated reference to "When will the Senators sack head coach John Paddock?" That happened a few hours after we recorded today’s episode.

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28 Comments

  1. Trashknob says:

    WTF? an answer would be nice – if it ain’t coming just let us know – if it is just let us know … the suspense is killin me

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    I got 40 to 1 odds they’d make it to the cup final at the beginning of the season. WHO’S LAUGHING NOW??? KO HABS KO!!

  2. Trashknob says:

    PUCKCAST PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR AND ICING AND WHIP CREAM AND A CHERRY ON TOP!!!

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    I got 40 to 1 odds they’d make it to the cup final at the beginning of the season. WHO’S LAUGHING NOW??? KO HABS KO!!

  3. habscout says:

    When is the next Puckcast expected to come out ? I thought it would be available on Wednesday March 5th to stick with the current trend.

  4. the_vipah says:

    I find it funny that OTT is anywhere near the top of that list. They are a soft one line team with some of the worst starting goaltending in the league. Anaheim will come out of the west and destroy whoever they face in the finals anyways. There is not one eastern team with the toughness required to handle the Ducks.

    I shudder to think of what the Ducks would do to our team in the playoffs. I wonder if even half of our figure skaters would escape with bones unbroken.

  5. Bill H says:

    Well, as long as we are talking about who will win the Stanley Cup.

    http://www.belmont.com/live-lines/hockey/nhl-stanley-cup-lines

    1.) Detroit 7:2
    2.) Anaheim 6:1
    3/4.) Ottawa 7:1
    3/4.) NJD 7:1
    5.) Pittsburg 8:1
    Six teams tied at 15:1 Montreal, Dallas, Rangers, Flames, Sharks, Wild.

    The website doesn’t specify if these numbers are post trading deadline, but betting is a serious business, so I’d guess that they are up to date.

    Personally, I’d give Dallas a bump up from 15:1. They are 8 and 2 in their last 10 games, and that is without Richards in the lineup. I’d also go with Anaheim over Detroit.

  6. Jonnyboy says:

    Kerry Fraser has the best hair I have ever seen in my life.

  7. showey47 says:

    Brian burke couldn’t get squat for bryzgalov and he is twice the goalie huet it. The problem is who needs or wants a 32 year old ufa goalie? A team out of the playoff race won’t trade for him, this leaves playoff teams or teams that are close to being in. Every team in this position essentially has established goaltending. The only real possiblities would of been washington, maybe nashville and ottawa. Would you want to trade him to ottawa? Like i posted before on other threads. You can’t get market value without a market.

  8. habsfan reduxit says:

    … I have no problem that the Habs felt the need to trade Huet. But for heavens sake, they should have received more for him than a 2nd pick in ’09. After all he was a league All-Star this year. I know the accepted wisdom is that Bob meant to flip the pick in another deal – one that obviously went awry – but surely there would have been more in return for the guy who was named as ‘Number 1a’ goalie.

  9. the_vipah says:

    Twice the goalie? Show me this miraculous stat. Since Huet has a better career +/- with regards to wins to losses and a similar SV%.

    While Ilya has better playoff numbers he happened to play for probably the best overall team in the NHL. Their save % is pretty close anyways.

    The only thing I could tell is that perhaps Ilya gets the nod because he is younger. Thats about all I could give you. So 1.25 times the goalie? :)

    People forget that Huet came over from Europe with a good chunk of experience. He was a 2x Goalie of the Year in the Swiss league.

    Anyways I just hope for our sake we dont see washington in the playoffs because as is usually the case with X-Habs players, he will probably hand us our asses if Ovy doesnt get there first.

  10. showey47 says:

    ilya 6th in save% huet11th
    ilya 13th in gaa huet19th

    These stats don’t inclue a 1-0 loss he had tonight so ilya’s numbers will be slightly better tomorrow morning. Ilya has also played 50 games as of tonight, huet has never played 50 games and is at 39 now. Phoenix was also a last place team in the league before bryzgalov and are now 1 point out of a playoff spot. As for the swiss elite league, we have something similar hear its called the echl. When a 36 year old paul dipietro is one of the top scorers in the league, its pretty much self explanatory.

    I know all the huet fan club is mad because he was traded. I would like to know how many of his fans would be comfortable playing him in the last game of the season against the laffs if it meant us making the playoffs or not.

  11. SUMO says:

    Bro Showey47,

    You bring up some very good points. The Huet trade was really more of a “business” trade as opposed to a “hockey” trade”. We turned a UFA into a 2nd round pick. Huet didn’t have alot of outstanding selling points in a buyers market;

    CRISTOBAL HUET
    -32yr-old UFA goalie (a rental)
    -Minimal play-off experience (Played only 1 round and lost)
    -Prone to injury (Hamstring and knee; not good injuries for a “butterfly” goalie)
    -Good goalie but not a difference-maker.
    -Probably seeking a 3-4year deal and more $$

    However, I think the real issue is not the 2nd round pick but the sense that we may have a good post-season run if we kept him. The complaints really seem to be more about what we could do with him in the play-offs than what we got for him.

    Most people don’t think Carey Price is ready to carry the mail but if we kept Cristobel as insurance then he might steal us a game here or there. I think BG’s plan was to get Carey the bulk of work in this years playoffs and that Huet was only going to be a back-up. If this was the case then why not bring up Jaroslav Halak, who was tearing up the AHL, and trade Cristobal.

    I think this is the justification for the trade. I’m not saying I’m right or wrong but I’m trying to determine if this is Gainey’s rationale for making this deal. Its the only logical conclusion I could come up with.

  12. the_vipah says:

    Wierd that you would use ranking to make your point.

    If we want to use rankings then the Habs look pretty damn good in 5th place while in reality only being a measly 7 points out of 9th. THe point being that usually the difference between 5th and 11th is a couple percentage points, you can easily go up or down a couple with a good or bad game, so thats of very little value. The rule being if you are over .910 every season, you are a good goalie in this league. I would consider .920-.930 to be elite territory.

    GAA is a meaningless stat for goalies. SV% is the only goalie stat other then w/l record worth looking at imo. As for what Huet accomplished in other leagues, you are right. In that case I submit that Price’s AHL championship and WJC accolades are null and void on the same basis. The ECHL and Swiss League are not the same thing, not even close. I wonder how many NHL’ers played in the ECHL during the lockout, I’m guessing….none.

    Anyways perhaps you want to convince yourself that we somehow got proper value for a starting goalie. I would disagree. For me perhaps signing him then trading him either in the off season -or- early next season would have better served the teams interests, we may have gotten a more solid return from a team in need. That second round pick is slated to be in the 50-60 range. Thats crap, plain and simple imo.

  13. showey47 says:

    If you think that huet is better than bryzgalov, thats fine we have different opinions. I’m stating ilya’s numbers are better while having a younger, less skilled team in front of him and a defensive group that can’t even compare to ours. To answer your question about why nhl players didn’t play in the echl instead of europe, here is your reason. Echl teams are affiliated with ahl teams which are affiliated with nhl teams. Players being affected by the lockout on one-way contracts can’t report to farm teams or farm team affiliates.

    I did not say we got fair value for huet, i said we got market value in a non-existent market. Your idea about resigning and trading huet may sound like a good idea. So what are you gonna sign him for? Since you feel that huet is better than Ilya then he is clearly worth more than the 3 year 12.75 million dollar deal than Ilya got. What happens if you can’t trade him after signing him because nobody wants to take on that kind of contract for a guy who plays half a season. Look at ottawa, 2 overpaid goalies they can’t give away because they both incosistent. Meanwhile halak bolts back to russia because we are stuck with a 4 plus million dollar a year potential backup. Not a smart move in a salary cap league.

  14. the_vipah says:

    I guess I would prefer to play things safe and keep Huet around as insurance. Obviously, although I think Price is probably a ways off, he is going to be our #1 goalie. Trading him for a late 2nd rounder or losing him in the off season is the same thing. Personally I feel the insurance value was -much- greater then the pick we got. Big risk by Gainey, if we miss the playoffs because of crappy tending, then the millions lost in ticket revenues will be on Gaineys head, among other things. I don’t think anyone would have blamed him for riding Huet into the playoffs.

  15. showey47 says:

    I repect your idea about playing it safe and trading huet is gamble that could blow up in gaineys face due to price not being ready. Halak has been in the situation before and it wouldn’t be out of the question that halak takes the number one job from price. Having a 23 year old halak looking to steal the number one job will push price to be a better goalie. A push price probably wouldn’t get from a 32 year old who everybody knew was on the way out anyway.

  16. jimbo says:

    Since the lock-out,Huet is in the top 5 in save percentage and was voted to the all star team last year.And for all of the people saying Huet cost us the playoffs last year,yuou have to look at our 5 on 5 scoring.We could only score on the pp.I say we were only close to the play offs last year was because of our goalies.
    Getting a 2nd round pick(last that is)was not worth the price of giving our #1 away

  17. showey47 says:

    Fair enough, our 5 on 5 did suck last year. But it was halak who got us to the point of making the playoffs while huet was hurt and aeibischer was just plain terrible. We spotted huet 5 goals to beat the laffs all he had to do was not allow 6 in regulation time. Not really an unreasonable request. Lets just say we didn’t trade huet and the last game of this season against the laffs decides whether we make the playoffs this season. Would you start huet? The guy who can’t beat the laffs. Or the guy who has beat them 3 times, 2 being steals with 40 save performances?

    I agree that getting a second round pick doesn’t seem much for huet. I truly think this pick was meant to be used for another deal that didn’t happen. But what does bob do? Let huet walk at the end of the season when price may end up being the starter from here on in anyway? With huet not coming back either way, why not give price the playoff experience anyway.

  18. Habsfan39 says:

    there is Huet’s press conference on capitals.nhl.com… in the capTV part.

    he looks awfully funny in a capitals hat. He seemed pretty sad still…I feel bad for the guy, he’s usually upbeat.

    I hope he puts kolzig out of a job.

  19. Norm0770 says:

    If you look around the league at teams that needed a goalie, you have to feel good that Huet didn’t get traded to Tampa. Huet is just too nice to have to put up with Tortarella, who is notoriously hard on his goalies.

  20. johnnyhab says:

    Huet leaving may affect the signing of Mark Streit they are the best of friends. I would not be surprised if the two end up on the same team next season. As for Paddock in my opinion the firing was all about Emery and how he lost control of his players feeling Emery was not dealt with properly.

  21. Bill H says:

    In the Podcast, I was definitely picking up mixed messages. If I am not mistaken, the consensus was that the Pens made out very well at the trade deadline. Now forgive me if I am making generalizations, but I don’t understand how they can disregard the future implications of the trade. They seemed to point that out at the beginning, but at the end when they were asked to pick the winners and the losers, the majority favoured the Pens.

    Pittsburg got 2 UFAs while Atlanta got 2 solid roster players under contract through next season and are RFAs after that. They are signed at very reasonable salaries. And they got 2 first round picks, even if Esposito’s stock has fallen considerably in the last year. He could easily be a late bloomer. I have to admit that if the evaluation horizon for this trade is between now and June, then Pittsburg is looking good as they probably have a better chance for the Stanley Cup with Hossa than they did without him. But they have fallen into the same trap as Tampa Bay, and they likely will have no cap space to resign Hossa. Maybe its worth it if Pittsburg wins the Cup, but let’s face it, even now they are long odds to do that. I don’t think they will make it to the final.

    BG has failed to make a big splash at the deadline, but he has created cap space for UFA signings in July. He has resolved the goaltending problem before it became a crisis as it has in Ottawa by dealing the one goalie we would have lost come July anyway and given this year’s playoff experience to Price instead of Huet. That is a smart move for the future. And he has maintained team chemistry and not dealt any key players for the sake of short term improvement that probably wouldn’t lead to a Stanley Cup final anyway, as the team is not quite mature enough to go that far.

    BG has not created the sort of splash/flash as they have in Pittsburg, but I think BG has played his cards much more wisely. Pittsburg may have bought one extra round in this year’s playoffs, but that won’t lead them to the Cup, and over the next 2-5 years, they will be the clear losers on that trade, as Atlanta grooms its prospects and picks while maintaining a sensible distribution of salaries under the cap.

    The Habs I/O podcasters who say that Pittsburg came out on top are living in a pre-cap world where teams could spend their way to the top. That world is long gone.

  22. Dave Stubbs says:

    Bill, the Penguins seem to have come out on top this year. I believe the podcast crew was not talking about the future, but only the weeks to come toward the playoffs, and into the chase for the Stanley Cup.

    Dave Stubbs

    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

     

  23. mjames says:

    Excellent post. A very astute analysis. You should have had JFJ’s seat on TSN. You seem to have infinitely more hockey sense than that guy.

    mjames

  24. johnnyhab says:

    showey47 you are 100% right on the money.

  25. mjames says:

    I am not convinced just yet that the Pens came out on top this year. Do you not think that the Pens might have decimated their third and fourth lines with that trade. I do not think you can play two lines for an entire game. I am going to be watching how their secondary lines perform in the coming weeks.

    mjames

  26. Bill H says:

    LOL That would be the clown seat? ;-)

  27. tom13 says:

    I think Huet is good goalie but both goalie brought up are or could be great duo, and why can’t we start early both Ken Dryden and Roy did it why can’t Price and Halak get it done. Great job Gainey

  28. RetroMikey says:

    I bet Emery got under Paddock’s skin and as the old saying goes “the coach is the first to go”. I sense Ottawa having problems among the players more than what’s being said in the media.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”


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