Pronger strikes back

You didn’t think Adam Burish would have the last word, did you?

And who is Jaden Schwartz?

62 Comments

  1. SeriousFan09 says:

    We also lost without him in round 3, partly because our defence was missing a major cog in the machine that drove it so reliably and managed the game effectively in all situations. PP was terribly ineffective because Subban was trying to run a PP at the NHL level without any experience and we didn’t have our top man to run it, that really sunk MTL in the series.

    P.K. Subban is a great talent and he looks to have an excellent future in Montreal. But P.K. Subban is one of six players who will play defence on any given night. Andrei Markov used to be the team’s go-to man on defence for everything, but now it’s being suggested we should take that massive burden of being the blueline MVP and drop it on a young player who hasn’t even played 20 NHL games. He has amazing skill, but that is an impossible burden and expectation to place on him and it’s foolish.

    Markov can be an invaluable mentor to Subban for next couple of years at the least while he holds the job of #1 on the defence reliably. He is an experienced PP quarterback at the NHL level, he understands the game when it is being played better than anyone else wearing the CH and knows how to control it. At 90% of his best, he’s still one of the best in the league. Subban having to carry the defence instead of Markov isn’t a solution, it’s spinning our wheels in the mud as we transfer the responsibilities from one guy to another who barely has any NHL experience. The Canadiens were a powerhouse team for so many years across the NHL because they had at least a couple of great defencemen to run the back end.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  2. Bill J says:

    Yemelin being the other example for us as well.

  3. ooder says:

    yup let’s leave the blue line to an inexperienced 21 year old with all of 16 NHL games experience.

    sounds like a great idea.

    and we won 1 palyoff round without markov.

    what happened agaisnt Philly, remeber.

    how piss poor our PP was

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    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  4. andrewberkshire says:

    There’s no denying Pronger’s talent. He adds another dimension to every team he’s on. I’m pretty sure he’s played the most playoff games in the NHL since the lockout, but I could be mistaken.

  5. kempie says:

    He is a huge force and a top tier dman and I would love to have his size and skill on our team. However, his demeanor is so disgusting I’m glad we don’t have that kind of freakshow on our team. It would be different if he would turn it off after the show, but he keeps demonstrating that he really is a d-bag all the time. In junior, I saw him fire a puck as hard as he could at Ted Nolan on the bench after the Petes were eliminated by the Grayhounds, missing him by about a foot. Back then, he was just beginning to explore his idiot side but he was a great talent to have on your team. After that, I started to lose respect and feel dirty about having him wear our colours. It’s been downhill since then.

  6. andrewberkshire says:

    We need a couple jerks on this team, there’s a reason Pronger has been to the cup finals 3 times since the lockout.

  7. ed lopaz says:

    the markov file threatens to become another UFA ala, plekanec.

    this year was a terrible year for injuries, now he’s recovering from surgery, and will be sidelined until at least October, reports indicate maybe into November.

    by then the 10/11 season will be upon us.

    we will have shown this past playoffs that we can win without him, and I’m betting that we will continue to win with this group into next season as well.

    the core is now in place + PK (minus AK, SK) and add some missing pieces, and were a team that will be playing over 500 hockey, which will keep us in the top 6 or so in the east.

    all this without markov.

    now markov’s agent picks up the phone and calls PG.

    “how about 5 years and 6.5 million = 32,5 million, because that’s what a d-man like markov will fetch come july 1, 2011.”

    PG meets with his henchmen, and they decide to wait…….sound familiar (plekanec???)

    markov’s agent makes it known that he loves it here……sound familiar??

    But the habs are winning?

    PK is blossoming, fluorishing, as the QB of the PP, and I have no doubt that he will emerge as a star very quickly next season.

    wait til he starts scoring goals on the PP with his blistering slap shot, which we have not yet seen in the NHL?

    you guys are going to absolutely freak out over this guy.

    markov who???

    and PG decides to play out the season and see what the story is come july 1.

    can you say bye bye to andrei markov?

     

  8. kempie says:

    Wakey! Wakey! I say we start a fund to which Tony must contribute $5 every time he starts a post with those two words. We’ll call it the Wakey! Wakey! fund and it will be donated to the charity of Boone’s choice. I’ll bet we could cure cancer before training camp.

  9. SeriousFan09 says:

    Oh I’d take Chara in a second, Crosby while I don’t really like his personality, he’s either #1 or #2 in the world so you’d have to be pretty stupid not to want him. Pronger though, no, can’t stand his character at all, I hate the people who have all the talent in the world but are unapologetic, world-class jerks.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  10. 24 Cups says:

    Great post.  Alexander Avtsin being a perfect example for us.

  11. 24 Cups says:

    Andrew – I’m glad that you said you would love to have him on your team.  H I/O posters can really get the hate on for certain players  to the point where all logic goes out the window.  They totally nullify any talent the player might have.  It’s almost like they are blinded to the reality of the situation.

    This is a Hab site but I also hope that it is viewed as a hockey site where true fans of the game come to exhange ideas.  Running players like Pronger, Crosby or Chara into the ground just seems pointless to me.

    Of course, there are exceptions to the rule.  Sergei Samsonov, Don Cherry, NM49:-)

  12. longtimehabsfan says:

    You’ve got to like Pronger, especially if your a sports journalist.

  13. ooder says:

    even though I dislike Pronger,

    I find laviolette tamed him on the ice and at least he didn’t injure someone a la dean macammond.

    the way he answered…

    well i personally find it refreshing that he didn’t give the same old Sidney Crosby robot answer.

     

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    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  14. SeriousFan09 says:

    If the Canadiens take 1 per year in the 4th or 5th round I don’t really care, at that point you’re kind of scraping the barrel talent-wise so take a flyer on someone whose probably much better than anyone left in NA and get their NHL rights in case they hop the pond. Late-rounders, it’s more about low-risk, high-reward territory.

    Last 10 years, I recognize 3 names off the 4th-round list, Niklas Hjalmarsson, Christian Ehrhoff and Lubmor Visnovsky, all European-born because their NA counterparts had been drafted in earlier rounds. 5th round, similar results, Dallas’s lucky pick in Jamie Benn, 5’6″ Nathan Gerbe for BUF, Kris Versteeg in CHI from a BOS pick, Grabovski, along with Kevin Bieksa, Travis Moen and Kyle Wellwood. 10 NHL players you might have heard of drafted in the last 10 years from the 4th and 5th draft rounds. That’s not what I call goldmine territory, might as well bet your nickle might become a dollar.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  15. andrewberkshire says:

    I hate Pronger, but that was funny, and I’d love him on my team.

  16. Bill J says:

    I think the Russian experiment due to the KHL being an available option to them playing at home, is preferably done for now.

    This is not a knock on Russians, it’s the facts that the KHL is as appealing to Russians to play in as a Canadian or American to the NHL.

    If the KHL died, the Russian experiment would be welcomed again I think.

  17. 24 Cups says:

    Surely the Habs must have learned something from their past failures.  No more Russians or small forwards during the next few drafts.  There should be a slew of large Dmen available when we pick (27th) and that will probably be our best bet.

  18. iamjackhab says:

    As far as drafting is concerned, tyler looks pretty good.

  19. iamjackhab says:

    I’d like the team to pick up Volchenkov. Affordable. Durable. Experienced. Solid D.

  20. HardHabits says:

    That’s the Habs version of the draft lottery. They pick every kid from Minnesota hoping that one day one of them will turn out to be an NHLer. Kind of like playing the 6/49.

  21. PeterStone says:

    oh, it seemed like you thought he was terrible in round 3&4 … he wasnt terrible in Nashville, actually, he saved them, because they could have been out in round 1.  He also wasnt terrible in the Finals .. yes, he had a terrible game.  Now, he wasnt great either ( except in game 6 … ) but, flyers goaltending was much worse.  Leighton faced a decimated Bruins team and a Habs team that overachieved for 2 rounds. He had 1 test, and he didnt impress.  Either way, he won a cup in his rookie year … great team in front of him or not.

    Hawks minus huet 5.5M , Sopel 2.5M$ Madden 2.75M$ , Boynton and Jonsson I think were a 2m$ cap hit for the Hawks …

    All of their important FA’s are restricted … I think they have a great opportunity to repeat next year.  Sign a solid 4th line Center … get a MBiron type goalie for 1M$ or CCrawford is the backup ( thats the weak spot of the line-up, still, but it wasnt an issue this past season ) then re-up the key RFAs … Ladd gets a small raise, Nick Hlam too.  Eager and burish, if they are back, get less $ . Hell, if they need a 6th or 7th Dee … go for Bouillon at less than 1M$ per for a 1 year deal. ( or Mara, Coliacovo, or re-up Boyton. )

    I dont think its as bad as it sounds for a Stanley Cup champ.  Everyone who counts is locked up. Everyone.

  22. megagoten says:

    so who would you draft?

    edit: i would grab tyler pitlick, one of those minnesota kids must be worth something!!

  23. Bill H says:

    Sad but true.  Besides, we don’t have the cap space for that deal.  They will be looking for draft picks and prospects with more upside (and less downside) than Weber and SK.

  24. matmacat says:

    whaaaaa? 2 nobodies and a middle of the pack draft pick? Mm, try again.

  25. mrhabby says:

    look for hawks to unload..huet , hossa, burish , buf or sharp..good luck to them.

  26. sh00n says:

    He’s definitely worth the risk. I honestly think if we dangle one of the goalies with the Sisters and prospects, we can nab any pair of the following: Sharp, Buff, Hossa, and maybe Seabrook to a lesser extent. He has a big pay day coming up and unless Chicago can move salary they won’t be able to keep him.

    Patrick Sharp and Buff are my two favourite players not on Montreal right now. They’re both so fun to watch and absolute studs.

  27. ed lopaz says:

    dude – I am old enough to have watched the Oilers since Gretzky was 18.

    Grant Fuhr was awesome.

    don’t be fooled by the numbers.

    he made all of the clutch saves.

    it was a different game, defenceman got over 100 points.

    Fuhr, during this era, stood out as a clutch, extremely athletic goalie, who definitely helped the oilers win those cups.

     

  28. ed lopaz says:

    don’t blame the messenger – all I’m suggesting is that we are heading in that direction whether you like it or not.

    you were clammering for the Habs to re-sign Plekanec, were you not?

    we are 2 weeks from the deadline, where is the contract?

    there is a disconnect on this site between what you guys wish the habs to do, and reality.

    when I suggested 6 months ago to trade plekanec I was ripped.

    when I suggested 6 months ago to trade Andrei big, but sagging tits, I was ripped.

    when I suggest today that markov’s file smells like the plekanec file all over again, you guys give me 10 reasons why the Habs should sign him.

    we’ll see.

    I never said they should not sign him.

    I suggested that the circumstances are in place for another file to be screwed up.

     

  29. eagle says:

    Just took a look at habs drafting history and suggest you do as well. Every year the habs have used their first round pick on a guy of over 6 feet, passing up on smaller skilled players such as zach parise, simon gagne, michael cammalerri and brian gionta, to name a few. Then lets take a look at the larger dmen habs have drafted in the first round, mcdonagh and fischer really panned out didn’t they? Subban was under 6 feet when we drafted him in the 2nd round, he’s clearly lagging behind those mamoths, right?

    Drafting is very unpredictable, but I am willing to take a risk on a small player, schwartz is 5’10 at 17 yrs old, who has tremendous offensive talent and work ethic, hes a canadian kid btw, rather then drafting another big guy who can’t skate for his life or who has no hockey sense whatsoever.

    For those who know nothing about Jaden, he posted 83 pts this year, his rookie year, in the ushl on a very average team that scraped into the playoffs on the last game of the season because Jaden had a 3 point game. Jaden contributed to almost 50% of his teams offense and had nearly twice as many points as his next best linemate. For a comparison, danny kristo had 58 pts in the ushl playing on the same line as louis leblanc who had 59 pts.

    I am pretty sure that Schwartz’ 83 pts this year is the greatest in the ushl since Vanek who had 91 pts in 2001-2002, Vanek was in his third year at the time.

    The only players i would consider taking ahead of schwartz, out of those who may still be there at 27, are Nick Bjugstad and Beau Bennet.

  30. andrewberkshire says:

    As for why they need to change anything, they’re over the cap next season with only 14 players signed, so they’re going to be losing at least 2 players that are a big part of their team, maybe more. Because of that they’ll need to upgrade in goal.

  31. andrewberkshire says:

    Peter, re-read what I said. Terrible in 3 out of 4 rounds. He was terrible against everyone but San Jose. Look at the stats if you don’t believe me. A quality NHL starting goalie shouldn’t be putting up a .910 save% in the playoffs, it should be nearer to what Halak had.

  32. PeterStone says:

    I look at Chicago, and they had Keith and Seabrooke … Campbell # 3 … besides PK. who else do we have ? Who is coming up ?

    Thats the problem with letting Markov go .. no one in the pipeline to replace him.  I think Markov at 5.5M$ per , and deduct Hamr’s 5.5M$ isnt bad … if PK continues to develop, you could argue Keith/Seabrooke/Campbell is very close to Markov/PK/Spacek.

    Anyways, PG already indicated he wont make the same negotiating errors that the previous management made.

  33. PeterStone says:

    terrible in the 3rd round ? He let in 7 goals , hardly terrible in a 5 game seriers.  Terrible in the finals ? I agree he was inconsistent, but, that game 6 .. last period, he played as well as any goalie could play.  Considering this was his first full season in the league, I think he did pretty good .. he did win a cup didnt he ?

    Anyways, if he is as good a goalie as they need to win because they are a powerhouse, then why do they need to change anything ?

  34. SeriousFan09 says:

    Agree, it’s like saying Grant Fuhr won the Oilers the Cup in the 80s.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  35. andrewberkshire says:

    Correction; Chicago won Niemi the cup, not the other way around. He was terrible in 3/4 playoff rounds, and his save % by the end was worse that Price’s during the season. Chicago won because they’re a powerhouse offensively and also one of the top 5 defensive teams in the NHL. Not because of their goaltending.

  36. habs4ever2894 says:

    I think Chicago would probably part ways with Sharp before trading buff but it would prob take sk+ weber + draft pick

  37. habs4ever2894 says:

    Chicago has no need for a goalie right now. Niemi just won them the cup and im sure that he will be the hawks number #1 goalie next year.

  38. nightmare_49 says:

     Stevie K. – You forgot Robert Lang and Gomez as exceptions. I think you started making your post and at the end realized you were writing about yourself, lol.

  39. jbroderi says:

    burrish clearly overreacted and only made himself look like an idiot..  what do you think it would cost us to get big buff??

     

    I wouldn’t mind big buff but chi cn’t take any salary back, so it might be hard unless we give up youth and picks, and then is he really worth that risk?

  40. kempie says:

    Okay so it’s quiet and I feel like starting something in here so…. Anybody think Bowman would consider trading Sharp for one of our goalies? I would move Halak for Sharp straight up. Bowman would probably want Price and I’d consider that too. It might not give the Hawks the cap relief they need but it would address their goalie situation which is obviously something they will need to deal with if they want to remain a constant threat. Our goalie would end up up going to a different time zone, which is mandatory if we move one. Sharp would be difficult to part with no doubt. He’s that big skilled centre, he’s a right handed shot and he’s a beast in the circle. Not a bad playoff guy either with a pretty fair cap hit. Could this happen?

  41. Bill J says:

    IMHO – Nicely handled by Pronger.

    he’s right, Burrish should have kept his mouth shut and appreciated the Cup.

    Only one team doesn’t hate Pronger, and it’s the team he plays for.

    That’s his job, and if he was playing for the Habs.  Many of us would be backing him.

     

  42. New says:

    I think so too. Patting himself on the back for making a good quip sort of dimished it, but it was a nice line. Probably true as well.

  43. G-Man says:

    Harldly anyone backs unsportsmanlike behavior, like Ribiero shaking while lyong on the ice or Claude Lemieux not getting up after a hit.

    Puckgrabbing Pronger after a loss means he has no class and no respect for the other team and it gave the Blackhawks more motivation. He, in effect, helped his team lose, so, in the end, I’m happy. The jerk lost.

  44. DavidKB says:

    I would consider it a personal betrayal if Pronger were allowed to wear a Habs uniform. 

    (Changed my picture from the centennial stamp)

  45. nightmare_49 says:

        We all know that these are the dog days, two weeks leading to the entry draft. Lots of BS and nothing else as we wait to see if PG trades our 1st pick at the draft. Time for a little R & R for Les Boys from the Gaz. who have enterrtained us so nicely this season (somehow nicely and Mr. Boone seem odd).

        I’m sure Mr. Stubbs will be tuning up his tweeter and Mr. Boone will be shining up his ‘enter’ button while dabbling with spell check during the boring days before June-25 in Los Angeles. Mr. Hickey will be resting before his long adventurous drive to LA.

       BTW, besides Marky, has any other Hab gone under the knife or are scheduled to have surgery like Laps and SK74 had last year.

  46. smiler2729 says:

    My summer wishlist for the Habs:

    Trade Halak, Markov and the Kostitsyn twits for some bonafide gritty talent.

    Groom Captain Kirk to be the next head coach.

    Lower all ticket prices, beer prices, souvenir prices.

    Make them the national game on HNIC every Saturday night.

  47. smiler2729 says:

    Chris Pronger is still an idiot and a lot of it has to do with him playing on a whole team of idiots called the Philadelphia Flyers.

    Whether it be 1974, 1984, 1994 or 2010, the Flyers are idiots, there’s not very many teams I hate more.

    Probably the Leafs.

    And the Nordiques.

    But not the Bruins, I hate the chowderheads but not as much as Philly.

    Oh yeah I hated the 1977-1984 Islanders too.

  48. Bugs says:

    Always had a soft spot for right mean bastiches. The slimier the better.

    Attaboy, Prongey!

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services: http://habsbros.blogspot.com/

  49. madmat411 says:

    I think the Hockey News had it better that the Habs draft Charlie Coyle, Tony Amonte’s cousin.  Coyle is a big powerforward, RW, but can also play center. 42 games, he has 21 goals,  42 assists giving him 63 points total….he is already 6’2 and 207 pounds..PICK HIM!!!

  50. Chorske says:

    lol, he’s a jerk, but an entertaining jerk

    and he’s right, Burish showed no grace in victory.

  51. punkster says:

    Pronger – too funny, gotta like the crooked toothed smile on the guy

    Schwartz – whaaa? Come on now, get real. I’ve seen so many possile selection forecasts my head is spinning. For frak’s sake, give us a real hockey player and not another vertically challenged high schooler or college bound Minnesotan. How about that kid with the Sudbury Wolves? John McFarland. Who has seen him play?

    FREE TIMO!

  52. C-Dawg says:

    I’d like to see the Habs trade AK and their first rounder to move up and get Dylan McIlrath….the more I read of him, the more I want him.

     

    Then they can trade Sergei and lower round pick(s) to Chicago for Patrick Sharp. The Hawks get to reunite Sergei with Kane, pick up some caproom, and get another pick….Habs get an offensive player with some size who is a proven playoff performer. The money saved by getting rid of the K brothers would offset Sharp’s salary.

  53. Bill J says:

    hmmm betrayal ? OK… I can respect your opinion, but betrayal ?

    He will never wear the CH, and I think we all really know this.

    However, if we had a monster who played the way he did…

    As I said, many would like it.  I certainly expect many others would not.

    :)

     

    RE image – thanks :)

  54. Bill J says:

    Hardly anyone – is assuming

    Unsportsmanlike ? – a matter of opinion, usually the ones on the receiving end of Pronger claim this.

    My point stands, if he was with the Habs.  The other teams would hate him, and “many” (not all granted) would be supporting him.

    No Class ? / no respect ?

    You think Chicago Blackhawks have respect ? LOL yeah I guess writing on a white board “Pronger is G*Y” is grade A class.

    I can respect your hatred for him, but don’t ignore the other side of the coin.

  55. habsguy says:

    he’s a first class jerk,  get over it !!!!!

  56. Bill J says:

    Your missing my point.

    I AGREE he is a jerk & a dirty player, but that is HIS game – However, there ARE two sides to the coin.  And some players such as Burrish, are not exempt from this. We have our own pest, that MANY other teams hate.  MaxLap!

    I just think Burrish, should have just let it go.  And enjoyed the Cup victory.

    I got nothing to get over, because ultimately Chicago won the Cup.

    I am happier then if the Flyers would have.

     

  57. J Haul says:

    Personally I hate, hate, haaaaaaaaater Pronger, but you’re bang on here. I don’t know how people can argue against what you’re saying. Everyone hates him because he plays a dirty, goony style (a style that seems to work), but if he’s playing that way for your own team, leading you to potential championships, you’re going to love him for it. And you’re also correct on the Blackhawks front. They exhibited a quite low level of class themselves.

  58. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sure let’s trade Markov, than we put the weight of carrying our defence on the back of P.K. Subban, I’m sure a 21-year old rookie isn’t going to even sweat at the prospect of being the MVP of the blue line with 16 games total experience in the NHL and having to carry our offence back there while quarterbacking the power play. Hamrlik’s too old, Spacek isn’t capable of being No. 1 either, Gill and Gorges are shutdown Ds only, MAB is a trainwreck and OB needs Markov as his partner to be effective most of the time.

    If you’re part of the tanking movement, I get moving Markov since that puts us close to if not in lottery position, but if not, who do we trade Markov for that can do his job at even close to his level of efficiency?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  59. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah but what if you can get a Duncan Keith type for Markov?

  60. SeriousFan09 says:

    What will that Duncan Keith type cost though? You want a younger puck-moving defencemen with a skill level that rivals if not surpasses that of the older D you’re trading for, there’s a price involved and even then, that team is not likely to want to give up that Keith since he’s got more years ahead of him in a very difficult trade/FA market for such players.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  61. ooder says:

    so trade our best, smartest, most talented and oldest (in tterms of time with the organization) player.. for what exactly?

    Markov has helped the PP be on top for the past 3 years,

    not to mention logging monster minutes and being an absolute wizard for the back end.

    and you want to trade him?

     

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  62. JD_ says:

    Yesterday, I called Chris Pronger a “douchebag lowlife”.

    Having watched his clip, rewatched Burish’s interview, and taken everything under advisement, I find myself reconsidering my original stance.

    Chris Pronger is most certainly not a douchebag lowlife. Rather, Chris Pronger is a sniveling douchebag lowlife.

    No more Cup for you!


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