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Morton Weinfeld and Avi Goldberg – who teach sociology at McGill University and Vanier College, respectively – are avid Canadiens fans.
This does not set them apart from the gen pop in Montreal.
But Weinfeld and Goldberg have applied their academic training to a preliminary assessment of how Michel Therrien may fare as coach of the Canadiens.
Their paper, reproduced here with the professors’ permission, is titled:

Pondering the Permutations of Therrien 2.0.

With As The Habs World Turns set to break for the offseason, fans and pundits have expressed polarized responses to rookie GM/Director Marc Bergevin’s cliffhanger decision to hire Michel Therrien to coach the Canadiens.  While some are willing to give Therrien a chance, others expect his second stint to be no better than his first.  To provide a dispassionate perspective as the free agent frenzy continues on the slow fade to summer, we used a “moneypuck” inspired approach to assess the coach’s potential.

This past season, over-achieving coaches like Dave Tippett (Phoenix), Barry Trotz (Nashville), and Kevin Dineen (Florida) got the most out of their players and brought teams not considered to be outstanding on paper to the playoffs.  By contrast, an under-achieving coach like Terry Murray (LA) presided over a team that failed to live up to its potential, and was replaced by Darryl Sutter whose success requires no chronicling for championship-starved followers of the bleu, blanc, et rouge.  Like all fans, we wonder where Therrien will fall in relation to these trends.

Successful over-achieving coaches must motivate their players, as individuals and as a team, prepare strategies for the season (systems and lines), and develop tactics suited to the specific challenges offered by each opponent.  Fighting off the visceral temptation to join the doubters, we pondered over how we could use our sociological expertise to make a fair and systematic prediction about how Therrien will stack up the second time around.

Effective strategic and tactical preparation is premised upon making realistic assessments of a team’s talent.  When Therrien used his opening press conference to evaluate his new players, we decided to use some statistical data to test his claims.  Among other possibilities, overly generous or naïve remarks by the coach could be seen as indicating poor talent assessment skills.  They would also provide credibility to the fear that a pathway had been cleared towards a redux of Therrien 1.0.

Therrien identified the first line (Desharnais, Cole, Pacioretty), the goalie (Carey Price), the young defenseman (PK Subban), and the second line centre (Tomas Plekanec) as highly talented core players with whom he was ready to work to ensure that the 15th place finish would be an aberration.  We compared statistics of these players with equivalent players from the 16 teams that qualified for the playoffs this past season, focusing specifically on the final four.  To our surprise, the results yield promise for Therrien 2.0.

All statistics in our analysis were taken from Nhl.com.  To put together data on first and second lines, we located records of game-day team lineups from this year’s playoffs and compared them with records of team lineups from the second half of the regular season.  Considering factors like injuries during the season and line rotation adjustments for match-ups, we assembled first and second line combinations for each team in our sample that we considered to be representative of what the teams used, or intended to use, for the 2011-2012 NHL season.

Compared to the playoff teams, only five team’s first lines (Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, San Jose, Boston, and LA) scored more points than the Habs first trio during the regular season.  Twelve of the sixteen playoff teams did NOT rely on placing their top three point getters on their first line as the Habs did this past season.  Though Therrien got this one right, the numbers also confirm the widely held view that the relative strength of the Habs first line masked an overall lack of offensive depth.

Carey Price tied for 12th out of all goalies in regular season wins.  Among the highest winning goalies, Price tied for 13th in save percentage.  Goalies from three final four playoff teams (Jonathan Quick, Mike Smith, and Henrik Lundqvist) finished in the top five in both regular season wins and save percentage.  As Therrien suggested recently, there is room for improvement.  The numbers also suggest that many pundits and fans are right to believe that Price has the potential to be an elite goalie.

Compared to the top regular season scoring defensemen on playoff teams, Subban tied for 14th.  This solid if less than spectacular result is put into perspective by noting that six out of the playoff teams (including LA and New Jersey) had their top scoring defensemen finish out of the top10 in regular season points for defensemen.  In comparison with the top scoring defensemen on playoff teams, Subban’s +/- rating of 9 during the regular season put him in 8th place.  This is the highest result for a non-playoff team’s defenseman in this category.  The numbers suggest that Subban clearly has the potential to be an anchor on the Habs back end.

Finally, compared to second line centres on playoff teams, Plekanec finished 6th in points during the regular season.  Of the final four playoff teams, only New Jersey’s second line centre (Patrick Elias) scored more points. On the other hand, Plekanec ranked last in +/- compared to playoff team second line centres.  While the numbers show that Therrien has work to do to help Plekanec realize his offensive AND defensive potential, this depends both on the player having an effective supporting cast and on improved team defense.

The numbers show Therrien’s talent assessment skills to be quite sound.  But, and interpreting the meaning of the numbers differently, in systematically confirming that Therrien demonstrated good judgment in his decision to parrot the conventional wisdom on the team’s strengths, we have still left a tough question about last year’s Habs unanswered:  Did a 15th place team with a solid core of players reveal a coaching regime that had no clue or did it reek of other deficiencies that not even a Toe Bake, Scotty Bowman, or Jacques Lemaire could overcome on his own?

Regardless of how one interprets the numbers, what can anyone fairly predict at this time about whether Therrien can take this core, develop it and the other players, and get them to over-achieve?

A sociologist would argue that there are many variables that determine coaching success, but no scholarly training is needed to safely predict that Therrien cannot act alone.  All loyal fans of a team with a painful recent history of poor trades and ineptitude in retaining or developing its homegrown talent know that Bergevin and his impressive-on-paper team have a key role to play.  So, as barbecue season heats up, we hope that this exercise reminds all fans, and especially the coach’s doubters, that it is at least as important to pray that Bergevin can channel an inner Kenny Holland (or Dean Lombardi!) as it is to agonize over whether it’s within the realm of possibility that Therrien’s hiatus has given him what he needs to channel an inner Darryl Sutter.

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  1. Bripro says:

    Everyone talks of trading Pleks.
    (Well, maybe not everyone….)
    He’s a top-10 D forward in the NHL, with speed and talent to boot.
    But that doesn’t matter here.
    Let’s trade him!
    Who knows what we’ll get in exchange.
    Who knows if we’ll be able to replace his PK minutes.
    Who knows if he would do better with effective wingmen.
    Who cares!!!
    Let’s get rid of him, add on a bunch of talented prospects and throw in a D or two that no one wants, but somehow the Ducks will, and with that we can pick up Bobby Ryan!
    Yep! Great idea!
    (Oh hang on …… sarcastic face….. :( )

    • ont fan says:

      Whether it’s Ryan or anyone else, you will have to give quality to get quality. Pleks is the oldest centre and probably the best we have. If you are looking to the future, he is the one to go. As for all the throw ins, well those are dreams. We figure the other GM’s aren’t very smart.

    • shiram says:

      I don’t, I’d keep Pleks.
      He’s a Habs pick, groomed and trained in our system, he’s a good deal and he fills an area of need on the team.
      It’s difficult to fault his effort level, and he very rarely gets injured.
      Habs don’t need to trade Pleks, they need to make his life easier so he can play better all around.

    • jhab93 says:

      Yes we’re rebuilding, we have Galchenyuk, Desharnais and Eller still growing and projected to be top 6 centres. Yes this years crop of centres for UFA’s was lead by Jokinen and a trade market for 2-way centres that lead a team in PK will fetch alot. But who cares we can keep him and finish last while having a good PK. Yes, in all the rebuilds i’ve seen we keep the oldest centre while we watch the young ones play bottom 6 minutes. Oh hang on… sarcastic face.. look at both sides and tell me whats more logical

      Thats the way the cookie crumbles

    • habsnyc says:

      Plekanec will not be a top 10 forward in 3-5 years which is Montreal’s closest window to be a contender. Why would it not make sense to trade him for an equivalent but younger asset that will peak in 3-5 years?

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • boing007 says:

      I’m with you 100%.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  2. shiram says:

    Brendon Ranford was invited to the Habs camp.
    He was a late Philly draft pick, and the Flyers chose not to sign him up.

  3. HabFanSince72 says:

    Referring to Diaz and Weber as “the Swiss girls” or the “Swiss Ladies” is hilarious.

    It doesn’t make you look like a Don Cherry-esque loser.

    Not one bit.


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  4. Seps says:

    I was talking with my buddy the other day and we determined all past Cup winners from the past number of years hasn’t had 2 OFD (offensive defencemen). It normally consists of one TWD (two-way d) and/or one OFD and the rest being tough DFD. In some cases like CHI in 2010, they had a TWD (Keith), and an OFD (Campbell). Otherwise you can check it out, no team has had more than two TWD and/or OFD on a Cup-winning team in the new NHL. For example Washington has never won a cup – Carlson TWD, Green OFD, Wideman OFD.

    The reason I bring this up is currently the Habs have Subban TWD, Markov OFD, Diaz OFD, Weber OFD and Beaulieu (who appears to be an OFD moreso than a TWD). That is not a Cup-winning d-core and out of those 5, to be successful we can only have two. I’d prefer Subban and Beaulieu since they both actually have size.

  5. twilighthours says:

    Commandant et al,

    Diaz or weber?

    If we only hae room for one, who will it be?

    Diaz – better with his stick, more of a heads up player, perhaps a little smarter. Very sofff, everywhere on the ice. Possibly plateaued.

    Weber – slightly heavier and a bit more physical. The big, booming shot. Maybe not as smart. A little younger, I think his ceiling is higher than Diaz’.

    I’d go with weber. Not sure why the love affair with Diaz.

    • commandant says:

      Twilight, I don’t find Diaz to be softer than Weber at all.

      Diaz is stronger. Weber is totally and completely unable to stop any forwards in the NHL who are cycling… none. He gets completely owned on the boards.

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  6. RH says:

    Why hasn’t Subban been signed yet?? I keep coming here looking for good news only to be turned away. Frustration mounts!!

    • Bill says:

      There isn’t really any rush. He’s an RFA without arbitration rights. He’s been identified as a cornerstone of the team and will be signed for four years, 18 million within the next two weeks. Just my prediction.

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      • Bripro says:

        2 years – $7-7.5MM, tops.

      • savethepuck says:

        I am expecting something closer to the deal Carey signed 2 years ago, he was confident his game would improve and he took 2 years at less money knowing it would pay off in his next contract ( which it obviously did ). I expect PK to do the same thing for about maybe 3 to 3.5 Mil
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  7. frontenac1 says:

    Yeah, Commandant I know I’m biased for Erskine,Homeboy and all.Just would have loved to see him in CH.Like getting Big Bird back. Didn’t know about the waivers issue with Diaz,thanks for pointing that out.Hola Amigo!

  8. Drive4twenty5 says:

    People, stop saying buyout. No one is going to buyout gomez and keberle. We still take a cap hit from the buyout. They will most likely be in Hamilton sometime this year.

    “Well, he’s a thoroughbred, and maybe your wife doesn’t recognize that, but then again, I can’t bake bread all that well. We all have different skills.” …Bob Gainey “Classic”

    • ed lopaz says:

      The new Collective Bargaining Agreement may allow buyouts that do not count against the Cap.

    • commandant says:

      Gomez yes.

      Kaberle does not belong in the same conversation. The guy can still produce offensively… and is not the waste that Gomez is. Look at the salaries for offensive D who are poor defensively in the last week and you’ll see 4.25 is not that bad.

      In any event the buyout window is closing rapidly 5 days after Price was signed. However since neither player has been placed on waivers (and you must clear waivers prior to a buyout). This is nearly closed too.

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    • fastfreddy says:

      Patches-DD-Cole
      Gionta-Pleks-Bourque
      Moen-Eller-Prust
      Arms- Nikol-White

      I see Palushaj and Louis Leblanc back to HAM. for the year, or possibly traded. There’s no room for those 2 right now. They would have to have an amazing training camp in order to stay up. I believe the new draftees will be given the year to develop.

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

      • savethepuck says:

        I highly doubt LeBlanc will be traded. Our 1st round pick from 2009, a homegrown boy the fans want to see succeed, and someone who lost 1/2 a year and a summer rehabbing a shoulder injury. You don’t give up on guys like that just because you think they don’t help the team right now. Now that he’s healthy I expect he’s able to be in th gym this summer putting on some muscle, so I expect good things from him this year.

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  9. boing007 says:

    Now that the academics have analysed MT when will it be the turn of the shrinks?

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  10. frontenac1 says:

    Agreed Commandant/re Jurinca. Size without responsibility at the back end= lost games.

  11. savethepuck says:

    I am sure there are some of you on here who stayed tuned in to L’Antichambre on RDS after Habs games this year. My French is limited so it’s something I didn’t do. My question is, since Therrien was a regular on the show, what generally were his comments or attitude regarding some of our players. I am particularly interested in what his thoughts usually were for some younger guys like Eller, LeBlanc, PK, DD Patches. Is there anyone he was always dumping on?

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    Carey Price

    • ProHabs says:

      Good question, I didnt’ watch AC that much as I pretty much gave up on the Habs halfway through this pathetic season. But I do remember Terrien one night talking about how Kaberle was as soft as speggetti. MT didn’t sound like he was a fan of Kaberle and made it pretty clear that night. I wonder what Kaberle thinks of him. Hopefully TK won’t want to play for MT and he will just stay home.

      • JUST ME says:

        Would like to help you on that but cannot stand to listen more than 5 or 10 minutes of that show. Just do not give any credit to hasbeens living in the past or people looking for bugs everywhere everytime.
        My two cents on this though is that Therrien cannot say he does not know how the Habs behaved last year . I think he is in that sense way ahead of any candidate that could have been chosen to coach the Habs.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Therrien was very tough on Subban on Antichambre, several times.

    • boing007 says:

      Suggestion. If you can read French fairly well, turn off the volume and read the CCs instead. Sometimes I do it when I get tired of their yuk yuks and guffaws. They love themselves so much.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Bripro says:

      RDS is a mix of past-due-date GMs, and a couple of fairly astute individuals.
      They’re more fun to watch when things are going well, but there’s no question of MT’s passion. And you could tell by watching him get frustrated with JM’s style of play.
      Early in the year, as ed pointed out, he dumped on PK often, but also acknowledged his age and lack of maturity.
      I remember how he’d get disgusted when the team, fresh off a major loss, where no one showed up for the game….and JM or RC would give them the day off.
      There’s no way he would do that, or so he said. Let’s see what the future holds.

      • Andy and the habs says:

        I found Therrien to be one of the few who was calm and collected in that show while other were going nuts after a loss, he simply pointed out his opinion on what might have gone wrong without searching for an anglophone to dumb on.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      It’s a sports talk show so they encourage shooting from the hip and general buffoonery.

      Therrien met both criteria without any difficulty.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  12. frontenac1 says:

    I also think that Allen went at a very good price,it was the term that became an issue for Habs. We’ve got some good size D coming up in the next 2yrs.That’s why I think Erskine for a year is a low risk play. Weber is done and I think Kaberle will be shopped. I know some guys here think Diaz has potential and they maybe right.if the Brass feels the same,I hope they keep in Hamilton for another year to prove himself and develop because,I don’t think he’s ready for prime time yet.

    • commandant says:

      Frontenac, I like your posts, but you need to get off this Erskine kick.

      There is no evidence that Washington is even willing to trade him, which is the first problem here.

      If George McPhee isn’t willing to give him up (except for an overpayment), then how do you get him.

      As for Diaz, he can’t go to Hamilton without waivers this season.

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      • ed lopaz says:

        I think Diaz is perfect trade bait.

        25 years old, right handed, mobile d-man, All Star, there must be teams interested.

        Yesterday I mentioned Anaheim.

        We have an extra 2nd round pick for 2013.

        We have some extra mobile defenceman.

        We have a 2nd line centreman that could take a lot of pressure off Saku

        Let’s deal for Bobby Ryan!

        • commandant says:

          If you can get Bobby Ryan for that package of course.

          I don’t think you can, but if Anaheim bites, I’d do it.

          Overall though, the two pieces are redundant, and if Diaz is better, if you have to trade one in a dump move, it should be Weber.

          Both would need waivers to go to Hamilton, so I don’t want to see both on the roster come September.

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          • ed lopaz says:

            Weber has Zero trade value; Diaz is 3 years older, and looks much more advanced then Weber as a d-man.

            Take a look at Anaheim’s defence now that they signed Souray and Allen.

            I was on this yesterday here, but couldn’t get anyone to bite.

            If we skip next year, and jump to 2013-2014, I would say that it is

            VERY LIKELY that Galchenyuk will take a top 6 spot, and center is his

            natural position.

            Desharnais has very little value on the market – he’s under valued.

            So trading Plekanec will be necessary at some point before the 2013/2014 season.

            Why not do it now?

            Plekanec
            Kristo
            Diaz
            2nd round pick in 2013

            is that enough to get Bobby Ryan??

            because I would STILL DO IT; wouldn’t you??

          • Bill says:

            ^^ If you look at the deals made in the past for players like Jeff Carter, a comparable player, it is certainly enough. You are right that Pleks and Diaz would look good on that team.

            I don’t know if the Ducks would want Kristo, just because he seems headed down the same college/UFA path that Schultz just took. They might be feeling burned.

            Tell you what, they would definitely take Plekanec, Diaz, and Montreal’s first round pick. Would you give that up? I would, and just pretend we drafted Ryan.

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  13. durocher says:

    Here it is:
    - trade Pleks and Bourque to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan
    - sign Arnott (who gives us veteran presence as our oldest forward is 33, has won a Cup, is big, and scored 17 goals in the past two seasons, and who has a connection with Mellanby who was an assistant in St Louis last season)
    - buyout Gomez and Kaberle or bury them in Hamilton
    - get a reliable defenseman for the bottom pairing (e.g., trade Diaz and a 3rd round pick for Hjalmarsson; trade for Peckham; sign Spacek again?)

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  14. commandant says:

    A few things

    1) Jurcina is a turnstile on D. As mentionned he was the worst in the NHL in +/-. Yes he played on a crappy team, but he was -7 worse than the next lowest guy on the team, and there are plenty of D who played on bad NHL teams. He was the worst of the worst.

    2) While one of Diaz/Weber needs to be traded, we don’t have to move both. A good defence is a blend of both puck movers and defensive d. Right now we have too many puck movers and not enough tough defensive guys. But doing a complete 180 turn in the opposite direction would not help either. You need balance between skill and braun. Too much of either one without the other is not a good plan.

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    • Cal says:

      With Markov, PK and the immovable Kaberle, yes Habs should trade both of Diaz and Weber. Too small and not tough enough.

      • commandant says:

        Markov and Kaberle wont be here forever.

        And Diaz actually plays a solid positional game in the defensive end, which can be highly effective. He was pretty good for a rookie. I’d deal Weber and keep Diaz as the 7th D going forward.

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        • Andy and the habs says:

          With Beaulieu coming soon, and Markov still booked for two more year, yes we can trade both Swiss players. I believe there is a good reason to be optimistic when it comes to beaulieu. This guys has skills.

    • Kfourn says:

      As to your first point +/- just means that you were ON THE ICE for a goal scored for or against and is not a true indicator of defence. Are you going to argue that at +74 over the past 4 seasons Mike Green is a Defensive juggernaut…didn’t think so, he’s on a stacked offensive team. Jurcina was in a shut down role on a very poor Islanders team with atrocious goaltending.

      The best way to judge his defense is by watching him play defence and I think he is a very capable 3rd pairing Dman.

      • commandant says:

        I’ve watched him play and he is a turnstile.

        And yes there are other factors besides plus minus, but the reality is that Jurcina sucked last year.

        Don’t be blinded by the physicality… physicality isn’t everything when it comes to playing defence, especially if your physicality takes you out of position to make plays. See Dion Phaneuf for a prime example of this.

        But even if you are right, and he is a passable third pairing D, we don’t need more third pairing D, we need a top 4 guy on this team.

        We have about 3 top 4 defencemen, and 5 bottom pairing guys.

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        • Kfourn says:

          Well this is where I have to disagree with you then. Taking last year as an anomaly and evaluating him previous years, Washington where I watched him play the most, he was effective in his role. I didn’t see him leave his position all that often to go for the big hit, and if he did it was usually out of frustration.

          Limit his ice time and pair him up with Frankie and I’d say he be a good bottom pairing defensman who could clear the crease.

          • commandant says:

            Sure, and what happens to Emelin, kaberle, weber, and diaz.

            We have enough guys whose minutes need to be limited.

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    • boing007 says:

      Bring Coffey out of retirement.

      Richard R
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  15. rhino514 says:

    1) Diaz could suprise many this year.
    2) I think the option of putting Bourque on the DD line is interesting. He can cash in on DD´s passes and Cole is a great example of work ethic. This gives Pleks the winger he deserves in Max Pac. Remember, if we don´t have a second productive line, the DD line will be watched so closely that there is no way it would be able to match last year´s numbers
    3) I think management is taking a wait and see attitude regarding getting another top six winger. I think it will depend on 1) the CBA amnesty clause and 2) wether that winger is out there and willing to sign with the habs. I think if he is out there, they will do everything possible to sign him. Armstrong is insurance, but they can always get rid of him
    4) Prust scored 13 goals the year before last but his shooting percentage was abnormally high for the year. Would it be reasonable to expect 8 or 9 goals? I like the guy, but I think he is a fourth liner with some intangibles and as such simply grossly overpaid. I think the move might be management´s first faux pas, though the contract is not going to kill them.
    5) We have to stop feeling bad about Bourque and give him a chance. Holland, plus a second rounder, the way Timmins drafts, are not to be trivialised. Also the team saved a lot of money. The tough pill for me to swallow is the team lost the best playoff clutch forward combined for 2010 and 2011.
    6) I really think there is a good 50/50 chance either LL (most likely), Paloosh, or Gallagher (less likely) will be able to transition to the big club after 35-40 games.
    We have been down on the team for a so long believeing that they don´t have any prospects and that the rich crop will arrive ina year or two. Nottotally so. There are some options. Somebody may surprise. No stars in the making, but guys who can be decent nhl players are around.

  16. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    If Gomez goes to Hamilton does he play ahead of Leblanc and Bournival??

  17. ProHabs says:

    Does Gilbert Brule still have any potential or is he just a marginal 4th liner in the NHL. He was amazing in junior, what happened to this guy.

  18. shiram says:

    Last time a team signed two top free agent in the off season..
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2922738

  19. Andy and the habs says:

    I’m not going to care so much if we make it to playoffs this year or not. If we do it’s a plus. But it seems MB’s interest right now is to leave space for the young guys. We saw desperate moves Gauthier made last year and we are paying for it now. It would have been nice to get a winger for 1 or 2 year max, someone like Jagr but that was not mend to be.
    It will be interesting how this new management will develop young players. If Tinordi or Beaulieu are called up, I will definitely be watching with excitement not because they will make an instant impact, its because they will soon make our D even better and harder for other teams to compete against us.
    In 2 years we start to see how our team will fare against other teams. By then we should be a playoff team and possibly go deeper in the playoffs.

    • Greg says:

      Exactly. A breath of fresh air.

    • ProHabs says:

      Lets go for the cup this year.
      -Tinordi, Leblanc, Beaulieu and a 1st rounder next year for Nash
      - Gallagher, Kristo and Bournival for Heatley
      - Galeyenchuk, Collberg, Eller and all three 2nd rounders next year for Shea Weber.
      There is not time like the present. Lets put an end to this 20 year cup drought and win the cup in 2013.

    • Cal says:

      Yup. rookie D will save the Habs. Did you see what happened last season with 3 inexperienced D in the lineup?

      • Andy and the habs says:

        If Tinordi and Beaulieu are able to taste NHL game this year, they should be pretty good the year after. You can’t compare them to Weber or Diaz. I’m hoping we don’t sign the last 2, or sign them a year at most. With Markov healthy and more experience Subban, we are already better this year. We do have the scoring touch from DD; Max Pac; Cole; Plek and Giota if they have a more gritty winger (armstrong?). It’s not so bad. The only thing missing for future is a big body winger with scoring touch.

    • JUST ME says:

      I think we will make the playoffs if …We had an average of 5 players injured per game last season.

      Altough i remain cautiously optimistic with the habs fate if they get to the playoffs, getting there depends on players that for many reasons did not produce offensively ,Gionta,Gomez,Markov,Bourque to name a few. We need goals and if we get a decent production from everyone we should be O.K. Let`s have an entertaining season and be patient . We are sure winners if we give all the time required for the youngsters to make their marks in the minor levels.

  20. krob1000 says:

    I am still on the KRistian Huselius bandwagon…looking for others to join..if we can squeeze in one UFA…I think another low risk high reward signing would be ideal. We have added enough rit up front that and a guy like Huselius has a style that would mesh well with Pleks. By having both he and Bourque we are pretty well assured one will be decent enough and the other can play with Eller and allow him some more talent to work with.
    Armstrong, Moen and PRust along with Leblanc and perhaps one of the kdis from camp this year can all move up the depth chart short term if necessary but I think if you add another decent offensive player up front you could have awhat should be an easy playoff roster…and that is even if we kept Gomez…
    Tons of possiblities…..you could move this group around so many ways and I duobt you can find a way that it is not a playoff team…especially if health is not an issue for Markov. The team is not done tinkering and I still expect something else to happen as we appear to have too amny forwards, too many dmen and in general just too many people in similar roles…..Tom NIckle’s package deal kind of makes sense if you factor in timelines, for Gally, LL,etc. I would take a one year flyer on Huselius.
    dd-cole-Patches
    pleks-Huselius-gionta
    Eller-Bourque-Armstrong
    Gomez-Moen-Prust
    White/Nokia

    • mike3131 says:

      No PLEASE no! Huselius only played 2 games last year and is a forward version of Tomas Kaberle in terms of softness. He doesn’t fit the new identity MB is trying to establish. Pass.

      https://twitter.com/#!/mikelang35

      • krob1000 says:

        Softness should not be an issue anymore…that has been addresssed…the team needs offensive help. The kids are niot ready this season and unless the team is looking to dramatically dismantle the team there is still a need for anotehr top nine scoring winger. Depth at center is there, depth at D is there, Huselius would only be a temporary fix until one of the wingers int he system si ready to make the jump next season.
        His 4 seasons previous to his injury troubles all had point totals that would make him a first liner on Montreal. He is going to be at a bargain price and given Bourque is a huge question mark then I think Huselius along with a few other enigmatic types are the best gamble…unless Gomez is sent down or MB orchestrates a large trade…in which case the offensie maybe better addressed with a longer term solution…but as a bandaid…HUselius is as good as any out there right now assuming his health is of no concern.

        • mike3131 says:

          There are much better options out there instead of Huselius. If you want that type of offensive player, then we might as well get Semin. Also Huselius is a -19 with only 41 GP in the last 2 seasons.

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          • krob1000 says:

            Semin would be a big cotnract and long term… and would mean Gome zis moved or a trade happens..possible but I am thinking if none of our deals pan out and Gomez stays (I hope MB is not done but he shouldn;t panic either as we have some great talent in the pipleine so keeping some top nine spots open moving forward is a necessary consideration). Huselius would be looking to assert himself as a valuable player again…would have soemthing to prove and could be a similar risk to Armstrong…I also think his style is more suitable to PLeks than Bourque is. Pleks requires someone else with some creativity. Semin would work but I am thinking lower scale for now…one more shot this season for the older guys but not at the expense of the future.

          • mike3131 says:

            I doubt Semin will get a long term contract. Teams are very hesitant to sign him because of his rep so if we offer him a pricey (< $4.5 M/yr) one ore two-year deal he might take it. Doan might also still be available, as well as Eric Fehr (injury prone but more worthy than Huselius) and Langenbrunner.

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          • shiram says:

            Semin is looking for alot more than 5 millions, and he will get it in the KHL if he does not get it in the NHL.

          • mike3131 says:

            @Shiram that’s probably why he hasn’t signed anywhere yet.

            https://twitter.com/#!/mikelang35

    • Phil C says:

      Of the left wingers available, Huselius maybe the best offensive player available. He is one of the few who can score 20-30 if he stays healthy and I think his skill set would really suit Plekanec and Gionta. They would have to make sure his groin is healed.

      I think Kostitsyn would be a good option as well as I think he could score 30 goals easily in the right situation. It will be interesting to see where he ends up because if he is looking for term, I hope the Habs pass.

      Another guy who needs a fresh start is Marco Sturm, but I’m not sure he has anything left in the tank. His skill set would also look good with Pleks if he found his old form. He would probably be cheap and short term .

  21. habs03 says:

    I think MB is done in regards to free agency, we don’t need anymore dept forwards or depth D-men. Need to improve the trade thru trades, IMO grap Hjalmarsson for Kristo and Weber. And somehow try to grap Marleau without possibly taking a roster player (wishful thinkin)

    But that would give you

    Patches-DD-Cole
    Marleau-Plek-Gio
    Bourque-Eller-Moen
    Prust-White-Armstrong-
    Noke

    Markov-Gorges
    Hjalmarsson -Subban
    Kaberle-Emelin
    Bouillon/Daiz

    • DCH says:

      Trading for Marleau is a pipe-dream, unfortunately. The Sharks would be insane to part with him, and if they did, it would probably cost too much for a player who will only decline in the next few years.

      Hate to say it, but we’re much more likely to land someone like Ryan than Marleau. Younger, with his best years in front of him. Problem is that the Ducks want WAY too much for him… so it’s looking like that too is a pipe-dream.

    • Greg says:

      No Marleau. We have enough guys with $7M cap hits.

    • mike3131 says:

      I think it would take a lot more to land Hjalmarsson. Would love to have him though! As for Marleau, very wishful thinking but Plekanec would have to be one of the names headed to the Bay Area in return. I would be fine with trading Plecks for a Marleau or even Ryan and have Galchenyuk take Pleky’s spot in a couple years.

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  22. alfieturcotte says:

    Has anyone signed Wojtek Wolski or Gilbert Brule? Along with AK46, those should be considered. Anyone but Bourque on that 2nd/3rd line .

    • krob1000 says:

      I like Huselius….otr Wolski/AK…any one of the enigma type works for me…low risk high reward

    • DCH says:

      Don’t think any of those guys fit into the mould of what MB is trying to create. They’re all “talented” but “lack the will” sort of players, and there are very good reasons why they haven’t been snatched up yet by any teams.

      AK is going home to the KHL, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wolski follow him. I think Brule might get a late contract, and it might hinge on if he is willing to do a two-way.

      • commandant says:

        I don’t think Brule lacks will at all, I think he just isn’t as good as he was hyped.

        Wolski definitely fits the mould of skill but no will.

        If we are gonna gamble, I’d gamble on Mueller, whose main problem has been concussions, but he scores when he plays.

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        • Cal says:

          Mueller shoots and scores….and is lying on the ice again.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Gilbert Brulé was really good when he played for the Giants, best player on the ice by far. I kind of lost track of him in the pros, and apparently injuries and being rushed to the bigs derailed his career, but I think in his case player development was more the issue than poor scouting.

  23. neutral says:

    we’ll I would say we improved a little on the 3rd line by picking up Armstrong. He can be good for 15-20 goals and he’s tough just can’t fight. Our 4th line has gotten tougher with Prust, his scoring it’s hard to say. so we improved a little but I’m afraid if we don’t make a move for another 15-20 goal scorer or someone out of training camp makes it we’ll have a hard time making the playoffs. that said I don’t see too much wrong with our “D” except maybe not tough enough. we were 11th in the league last year for goals against that should speak something good for our defence. Give them a break lot of young guys back there still learning….with Bouillon, Kaberle, Markov these guys will only get better.

  24. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    sign Kubina, if you can’t trade for erskine, do it now

    it’s our last chance

  25. frontenac1 says:

    John Erskine.6″4,220lbs. 32yrs old.Played last 5yrs in Washington and Never had a minus season. Team first ,character guy who can clear crease and go effectively against any heavyweight. Last year of $1.5million contract.Can’t play top minutes but shouldn’t have to with efficient matching.McPhee might be interested in any of Weber,Diaz or Kaberle in trade.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      I agree, The Swiss girls are a total liability, Therrien has been on record as saying that he does not like deference who are soft.

      Their days are numbered indeed.

      • Greg says:

        But Bergevin has gone on record saying he wants character guys. Diaz works his ass off every shift. He just played his first season in the NHL and did pretty well (16 pts, -7). I don’t think he’s as much of a liability as everyone thinks he is.

        • shootdapuck says:

          Huge liability along with his compatriot Weber.

          They hear the footsteps way too loud and panic.

          Diaz and Weber make MAB look absolutely iron-willed under pressure!

          and MAB could hit the net from the point!

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Interesting. He has to come cheap as i dont think we have a lot of cap space after RFA are signed. Is it possible that Nash could ve that physical presence on the blue line. Hes a big dude and i think he drops the gloves on occasion.

      ———————————–

    • habstrinifan says:

      Only problem is he is RFA which means a trade. There ar others at least comparable who are UFA. Eminger from NY and Huskins from St Louis come to mind.

    • mike3131 says:

      While I like the idea, I am disappointed that we would have to give up assets and settle for John Erskine, when Bryan Allen and Bryce Salvador were out there for free. Allen and Salvador CAN play top minutes.

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  26. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    OKAY, so I am kinda strapped at the moment, but I will save up my money for two years.

    On July 1st, 2014, (only if some of the 2012 gang at HIO is still alive and active) I will hold a Canada Day party at a rented barn (yes, I did just say “RENTED BARN”) to which some of you might be invited.

    I’ll give you a hint: It won’t be Canada Day that we would be celebrating…………….

  27. shiram says:

    If the Habs cannot find a top 6 winger for this upcoming season, I think they have a few possible scenarios they could try out.
    First would be to give another chance to Bourque, but I would like to see him played on DD’s line, obviously it was not clicking all that great with Pleks, and Bourque might benefit from facing the lesser opposition that DD faces, so Pleks could play with either of Cole or Patches depending on their shooting and handedness.
    Second would be to play DD on wing, possibly with Eller and Patches, that would give Pleks Gio and Cole as wingers.

    I’d rather see the coaches try to be creative with what we have, even giving the rookies like Gallagher/Leblanc another good look, than to spend the farm on a trade.

    • jon514 says:

      I think moving Eller up to the 2nd line and having him and Plek take turns being thrown out of the faceoff circle could produce some good results. He does have some LW exp. I wouldn’t mind seeing Leblanc centering Bourque and Moen/Prust/Armsrong as a 3rd line.

      “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

      • shiram says:

        It’s not like DD is better at faceoffs than Pleks or Eller, they were all about the same last season, but Pleks took the brunt of faceoffs.
        I just think that splitting DD’s line from last season is the easiest way to achieve 2 scoring lines, instead of just one.

        • jon514 says:

          I would rather leave DDs line intact to start the season. Eller is gonna breakout this season. My money is on big years from him and Leblanc given time and space.

          “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

          • shiram says:

            I think Leblanc needs 20 mins per game to continue to develop, and the only way he gets that is in Hamilton or with exceptional performance in camp and then he’d most likely play wings anyways.
            Eller is not pushing anyone out of the top 6 unless one of Pleks or DD is moved to wing, DD is better suited to it, he is also our only NHL ready big center, I would not want to convert him to wing.

          • boing007 says:

            All will be revealed during training camp.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Ron in Ottawa says:

      Typical habs fan thinking. When something works, break it up. Why you put someone like Bourque on the only line that worked last year? Let him “find himself” on the 3rd line. In the meantime, keep hunting and shopping for a winger to play with Pleks and Gionta.

      • shiram says:

        Simple, because Bourque was not really cutting it on a line that had to shut down the opposition and score. On DD’s line Bourque would face lesser opposition and would benefit from playing with a good playmaker in DD.
        There’s no easy target for a top 6 winger, I don’t want the Habs to spend the farm on a trade either, so you have to try some things to improve from last season.

  28. Greg says:

    I don’t think the Habs are signing any more UFA defencemen, whether it’s Kubina or Jurcina (I’ve had a hard time telling the difference which one the rumors are about).

    We already have 8 defencemen. Plus two/three kids in Hamilton that will be pushing for jobs… why sign another?

    Markov-Emelin
    Gorges-Subban
    Kaberle-Diaz
    Bouillion-Weber

    St-Denis-Nash
    Tinordi-Beaulieu

    We have a lot of defencemen. Don’t see how another signing makes any sense. A trade, maybe.

    • Kfourn says:

      Because we need a crease clearer and Jurcina (who is only 27) could provide that at a very low cap hit for one or two seasons until Tinordi is ready to make the jump. 6’4″ 253lbs AND he shoots right which is a need on our defence right now.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      Weber is highly unlikely to make the starting lineup, he will probably be traded.

      a coach like Therrien would not be fond of guys like Weber and Diaz who are very Sofffff and easy to play against.

      I would be happier with Erskine myself, but Kubina would be just fine.

      Jurcina on the other hand, the guy is almost a giveaway machine, -34 is nothing to wave off. But I would still be happier with him over the likes of Weber and Diaz.

      • Natrous says:

        -34 on a juggernaut like the Islanders is just not acceptable. From the savvy ownership of Charles Wang, to the intelligent wheeling/dealing of GM Garth Snow, to the consistent coaching of Mafia Boss Jack Capuano, there’s just no reason to see any minus players on that roster.

        Wait – er – sorry, I was thinking of another team. I see now that there were only 4 players who actually ended up above 0, and Jurcina was a minus 34 on a TERRIBLE team that somehow finished above us last year. He did fine in Washington in the +/- department; my only concern with him is durability.

    • SlovakHab says:

      If this is defence we are going into the season with, I am scared already.
      Markov, Subban, Gorges – great. If healthy, this top 3 is one of the better ones in the East.
      Bouillon, Emelin – average-sized physical D, who will be hard-pressed to move Horton, Ott, Lucic, Getzlaf, Staals etc etc. out of Price’s crease.
      Kaberle, Weber, Diaz – reasonable puck-movers, but won’t be able to move Stephen Gionta, Mikhail Grabovski or Martin St.Louis out of Price’s crease.

      The sad thing is that with 2 physical defencemen with size, signed for 1 or max 2 seasons, this would actually be a good defence.

    • Blouin says:

      I think we’re at a balance now of finding constructive depth. What I wouldn’t like to see is a clear depth signing (al a Campoli), but I don’t think we need a high-priced FA either.

      You’re right that we have a solid core as it is, but all it takes is a few injuries and we’re depleted and relying on Frankie the Bull to play 24 mins.

      I wouldn’t mind a crease clearing bruiser so long as he’s not a stopgap and part of the long-term plans.

  29. Marc10 says:

    Here’s a variation on a question I asked previously, because I do believe given our lack of scoring punch or clutch scorer on the PP that we’ll be able to make the show…

    So here’s my question. Of the following, which team do you think won’t make the playoffs?

    1) LA
    2) Detroit
    3) Nashville
    4) Washington
    5) New Jersey

    My bet would be on the Devils, but I wouldn’t put it past any of those teams. My dark horse would have to be Detroit. Their fanbase is going absolutely bonkers having lost the Parise/Suter derby and not having a realistic shot at Nash or Ryan or a top four D without making a trade. For the first time in a long time, the Wings are looking at a possible exit and rebuild!

    Your call? Am I off base? Crazier scenarios have unfolded in years past, right…

    • ont fan says:

      I don’t know about the fans going crazy here in the Deroit area but Illitch will do whatever it takes to stay relevent. That means trades. Don’t count out Ryan or even Nash. I can see a trade for Weber.He can be persuasive. Nashville is out.

      • Blouin says:

        My gut says Nashville, too. Pekker is solid, but if the team in front of him loses big D and F parts, it’s going to be tough to keep them in every game.

        NJ has gone through some serious ups and downs with their record over the last couple seasons, so I guess they can’t be discounted either.

  30. Mick says:

    Are you a part of the 77 percent that believe we will make the playoffs
    this year? Please tell me why and help me sort out this gloomy vision that I have taken on for the 2012-2013 season.
    I just can’t see it with ” Little David ” leading the way.

    • Greg says:

      Little David had 60 points in his first full year in the NHL. How do you manage to find the gloomy side of that?

      • jon514 says:

        David Desharnais lives to prove doubters wrong. The more we doubt him, the better he’ll play!

        “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

        • Mick says:

          Desharnais is a great player who because of his size will and should not be our number one centre. I would rather have Plek’s as our top centre and Eller at the number 2 position to let him develope with some better wingers.
          David is a short term solution…

          • jon514 says:

            Please see his stats in Chicoutimi, Cincinnati, Hamilton and Montreal. At every level people have said exactly what you are, and he’s always proved them wrong. Ask yourself this: What does “little David” (your words not mine) have to produce this season for him to change your mind?

            “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

      • Ron says:

        Simple, his favoriate current player is listed as Gomez. That tell you a bit.

    • Marc10 says:

      I don’t think DD is the problem. It’s the second line that’s an issue, the PP and the D. First line, newly signed character guys and St Carey are good enough to make the show.

      That said… I don’t think we’ll make it either unless MT finds a way to get 30 out of Bourque and Eller lifts his game. Big ask…

    • wjc says:

      Try to envision….”little Scotty” leading the way.

      wjc

  31. Clay says:

    Speaking as a former sociologist…who gives a sh!t what sociologists have to say? :D

    __________________________
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  32. jon514 says:

    I suggest signing another aging Czech player on the decline… How about Pavel Kubina!

    Seriously though, his Offense is drying up, but he can still bring the Defense and he’s 6’4″ and hits hard. 2 years 6 million. I’ve seen people suggesting Jurcina for 2, but I’d pay the extra million to have the exp and the leadership.

    “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

    • commandant says:

      Jurcina had the worst plus/minus in the entire NHL last season at -34

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      • jon514 says:

        Kubina!

        “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

      • Kfourn says:

        On a weak NY Islanders team. He was impressive as a fourth Dman in Washington. I see no issue in having him as a sixth Dman for the Habs.

        • jon514 says:

          Jurcina is a risk I would rather not take. I prefer a guy who can pivot between the 2nd and 3rd pairings. As things stand now, if any of PK, Gorges, Markov, Emelin are injured, we’re in a really bad way for defense who can play against teams best lines (Emelin included because I think he will have an awesome season). Also only one of those guys can clear the net well (Emelin).

          “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

          • Kfourn says:

            He was playing with Mark Eaton as his D partner last season and was injured if I recall. Last year was definitely an anomaly and if you look at his career stats they are pretty respectable, there’s no reason for me to believe he couldn’t succeed even if he was bumped up to the second pairing.

          • habstrinifan says:

            I dont know if it was the coaching style or what but none of our defensemen ‘cleared the net’. Of course P.K and Emelin did their hits. But once in the paint it was a Gill’s like approach:sprawl; outstick; lift stick etc and oh yes … block shot. I am looking for the get to F outta here take-out.

      • HardHabits says:

        I suggested Jurcina. He has a decent shot and has some size. His -34 was on one of the worst teams in the league. Streit had a -27 and Niederreiter had a -29.

    • Marc10 says:

      Me thinks were done on D. If we’re within a shot of making it, we’ll pick someone up at the deadline.

      All the focus has to be on Pleks’ line and where the goals are going to come from. Bourque and Eller. They either step up or we’re in a world of hurt. That’s MT’s biggest challenge IMO. If he pulls that kind of David Copperfield act, he’ll have rehabilitated himself in the eyes of all but the harshest of haters.

      Big ask… Big ask…

      • habstrinifan says:

        But our defense will help determine if we get within a shot of making it. I think our third period 1 goal losses were in large part due to lack of crease clearing defensemen.

  33. ProHabs says:

    Lots of chatter going on that the Habs are about to sign Milan Jurcina. Many hockey sources including TomNickle are saying this could happen today or tomorrow.

  34. Ian Cobb says:

    Our 6th annual 2012 HIO Fan Summit is, Oct 27th weekend.

    All game tickets (two levels) $90 and $110 are available from me for a very short time period. Price includes game ticket, Hall of Fame ticket and a ticket for the draw at the charity raffle.

    Act now so as not to miss out on our annual great HIO Community Fan weekend.! Do not forget to enclose a self addressed and stamp envelop with your money order.

    ITINERARY & LOCATIONS
    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8 or 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame Tour
    .
    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, we will have donated over $10,000 to Children’s Charities, since our 1st Summit in 2007. What a wonderful HIO Family we are folks.

    Then our Baton Rouge restaurant pre game dinner. With special guests.

    After that we walk across the street to the Duck’s and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Come and enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.
    See ya there.

    Ian Cobb
    HIO Fan Summit Organizer (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

    For Summit tickets, News, Pictures and comments
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  35. boing007 says:

    So, if the Nordiques come back to Quebec we should expect an all French-Canadian team? N’est-ce pas? On verra bien.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • RGM says:

      Here’s hoping. Let the language police have their way with another team and let the Habs just win, baby.

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      • boing007 says:

        French only. Go right ahead Peladeau, AC etc. Only Quebec born de souche/pure laine players in Quebec City. Bonne chance making it happen!

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Actually whent he Nordiques wer ein Quebec the burden on the HABS was greater. I remember well the smugness of Marcel Aubut as he encouraged the perception of the Habs as the “pour L’Anglais” while his best players were least 50-50 Anglais.

      • boing007 says:

        In the end Maître Aubut sold the team and left town with pocketsful of money. Now he’s back, trying to con the people once more.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          And how they want to be conned…


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Clay says:

            See my sig…

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      • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

        but in the end we whupped them in the 84′ playoffs and they were never the same afterwards……….

  36. wjc says:

    Actual Gomez statistics:

    99/2000 82 19 51 70
    2000/01 76 14 49 63
    2001/02 76 10 38 48
    2002/03 80 13 42 55
    2003/04 80 14 56 70
    LOCK OUT
    2005/06 82 33 51 84
    2006/07 72 13 47 60
    2007/08 81 16 54 70 (RANGERS)
    2008/09 77 16 42 58
    2009/10 78 12 47 59 (MONTREAL)
    2010/11 80 7 31 38
    2011/12 38 2 9 11

    PLAYOFFS 140 29 70 99

    Why did he crash the past 2 seasons. Injury last year played a part, Gionta getting hurt, stiffling defensive system. There has to be a reason for production to fall off so fast.

    He has never been a big goal scorer except for one season when he got 33 goals.

    He is primarily a playmaker. A playmaker need finishers, he needs good point men.

    Therien will bring Gomer back by coaching to his strengths and giving him Gionta as one part of his line.
    wjc

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Nice dig. 11 out of 12 seasons below 20 goals, 9 out 12 seasons with more than 40 assists.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • RGM says:

      I give you credit for going so hard to pump his tires. You and VancouverHab should form a club.

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • Ian Cobb says:

      He was playing for an Idiot coach the past 2 years, that was trying to put a square peg into a round hole with him.!

      He is going to be a different player this year my friend. Back to being an intimidating speed and play maker!

    • HardHabits says:

      Just think how good the Habs would be with McDonagh in the line-up and what shape they’d be in cap-wise without Gomez.

      The Gomez trade ranks up there with the worst trades ever made by the Habs.

      • wjc says:

        The cap is not a huge issue as far as I can see. McDonagh was a loss for sure, but there are plenty of defensemen in the system.

        Sather lost big time on the alex kovalef trade

        wjc

        • HardHabits says:

          The cap is THE issue. And you’re blind.

          • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

            “The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.”
            ― L.P. Hartley, The Go-Between

            You are torturing yourself with the Gomez/McDonagh trade. I think you’re going to have to give it up.

          • HardHabits says:

            @DDH: What’s done is done. However pointing out the trade is simply a matter of deflating those that try to pump Gomez’ tires.

          • wjc says:

            Well explain yourself, the blind, need not stay blind. How is the cap crippling the Canadiens.

            wjc

          • Bill J says:

            Are you kidding me WJC ? Why do we have to educate you on how to be a Habs fan ? Are you not smart enough, and observant enough to see things for yourself ?

            Do we need to hold your hands, and explain every single detail about the Habs ?

            Listen, trust the majority here when we say Gomez must go. Keep reading and post less. By reading, you will learn. By spouting out your nonsense, you will only tarnish what little wiggle room you have in terms of a valued opinion around here.

            Just my two cents.


            #OperationGomezTirePump
            #OperationSubbanDeflatedSalaryExpectations

            Tweet it, talk about it. Let’s get rid of Gomez and sign Subban for cheap!
            Go Habs Go!

  37. habstrinifan says:

    I can’t help but wonder why we have not seen what is really a minor signing addressing a big need from the HABS.

    The is definitely a need for a 1mill to 2mill big meanish experienced 25 to 32yrish stay at home D-MAN for our 4 to 6 d spot. Even if we count Tinordi as potentially making the team midway 2012-2013 it would still be good to add one to start the season.

    And there is no 6+ 220+ prospect other than Tinordi. Least 5 sitting on UFA now. Acquiring one wont affect any trade plans etc and will only affect cap to approz 2.5 max.

    I hope it happens.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Morning! We needed one such player all of last season and none was acquired. Skillsy was an imposing body size but opposition forwards knew he was too honorable to crush or blindside them. Aaron Rome is still available is he not?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      As others have suggested, with the big UFA’s finally signed, teams will begin to talk trade more now. Also, I still believe many teams are in holding patterns with uncertainty as to what is happening related to CBA.

      As those talks start taking a more definitive shape in next 30-40 days, this will give some framework to the owners/gm’s what the future holds.

      Very hard to plan your business when you don’t know if you are able to hang an Open For Business sign on front window and especially if you don’t know what hours your store will be open.

      I think we just need to be patient. I can’t help but believe that MB and the coaching staff know which parts of their lines still require tweaking ™

    • Phil C says:

      Lots of players still left in free agency. Suter had been holding things up, but now that Suter, Garrison, and Carle have signed, I think there will be a bunch of free agents signed in the next few days.

    • Cal says:

      Tinordi and Beaulieu are going to need 2 seasons in Hamilton. Rushing them up will do nothing for their confidence.
      If this one, Brendon Nash, has a good camp he may be ready, and guess what? He’s 6’3″ and 206lbs.

      • jon514 says:

        Nash is not ready… Plus with Alex Henry moving on, he’s one of only 2 defensemen in Hamilton with any AHL exp. I think he’ll be on the top pair in the Hamilton this year.

        “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

    • jon514 says:

      Agreed. Bouillon is def better defensively than Diaz and Weber, but he’s not gonna have much luck moving Lucic out from in front of CP. I don;t subscribe to the idea that Kaberle and Markov have no value… I’d love to see one of them moved to solve this issue though. We have WAY too many offensive defensemen (Markov, Kaberle, Weber, Diaz, PK(2way)).

      “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

      • Clay says:

        Frankie is over 200 pounds of pure muscle at 5 foot 8. He can and will move Lucic.

        __________________________
        ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

    • wjc says:

      Hulk Hogan is available, not much of a skater, but that doesn’t seem to be an issue.

      wjc

  38. commandant says:

    What do the teams that lost out on Parise and Suter do now?

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/05/left-scrambling-teams-that-feel-the-pain-of-the-parisesuter-decision/

    Go Habs Go!
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    Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
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    • RGM says:

      Plan B, C, and D.

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

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  39. jon514 says:

    Wait… if we’re keeping Gomez, does that mean we’re trading Pleks? We can play Gomez on the 2nd line and Trade Pleks to someone we expect to finish in the bottom 15 next year, we’ll have 2 top 15 picks!

    “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

  40. frankcasting says:

    An odd study, I must say, but entertaining. Bottom line is this: our supporting cast in 2011-2012 was thinner than Therrien’s hair, but the recent additions, injury returnees, plus some promising rookies have me very hopeful for the next season, whenever that will be. Would still like another 15-20 goal type like Peter Mueller to complete the set. As for PK, he is Karlsson plus plus plus, size, defence, physicality. He’ll prove it soon.

    Loving the Habs since 1965

    • DCH says:

      Mueller is too big a risk. His injuries will most likely prevent anyone from taking a gamble on him, and I doubt he’ll sign for pennies on a “prove yourself” 1-year contract when he could go to the KHL or Europe and make more to do the same.

  41. Curtis O Habs says:

    Hey Gomez, take the high road and retire while your career may still be reflected upon as a Stanley Cup Champion, rather than a parasite, who bilked the worlds most prestigious sports franchise out of millions.

    • commandant says:

      Yeah, just walk away and leave 10 million dollars on the table…. yeah right.

      Its not Gomez’s fault that Sather gave him a stupid contract.

      Go Habs Go!
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      Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
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    • wjc says:

      You cannot take his Stanley cups away. There are a lot of parasites in hockey then.

      Montreal has a salary cap of $70,000,000 just dieing to be spent. If I were you, and I am of course glad I am not, I would worry more about the hapless fan being bilked out of hard earned money on over priced tickets and beer.

      wjc

  42. HabFanSince72 says:

    Should Louis Leblanc go back to Hamilton?

    He played 42 games in the NHL last year, averaging over 11 min/game, and was a +3 on a bad team.

    Seems like he is able to take a regular shift in the NHL.

    So why send him down. Surely he will learn more playing 11 min/game in Montreal than 18 min/game in Hamilton.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Chris says:

      It really depends on the role the team is envisioning for Leblanc.

      For Pacioretty, who the team saw as a a top-6 power forward, playing third line minutes with cement-handed grinders was somewhat pointless. Pacioretty went down to Hamilton and got heavy minutes, including first wave PP minutes. When he came back up, he was a completely different player brimming with confidence.

      For Leblanc, many see him as a third line player as his ceiling. Regardless, getting 20 minutes a night of first-wave PP and PK time and building up his confidence for the first half of the season at least may not be a bad idea. The Habs are chock full of guys that can make the third and fourth lines work, and are deep at both centre (Plekanec, Desharnais, Eller) and right wing (Cole, Gionta, Moen), the two positions that Leblanc would normally play, so I can certainly see that he might start the season in Hamilton until injuries force a call-up.

    • wjc says:

      These problems are worked out at training camp.

      wjc

  43. parkex says:

    It gets worse!!: 100 pkg spots vs 3500 originally (diff only 20 million) – where will we park? illegally everywhere like the montmorency metro????? Neighbours are doomed!
    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/national/201207/04/01-4540827-future-place-bell-des-couts-sous-evalues.php

    • commandant says:

      Bulldogs owner, and Habs co-owner Michael Andaleur has already emphatically stated that the Bulldogs are not leaving Hamilton and recently started negotiating a new lease in the city.

      I think that Laval is destined to get a QMJHL team.

      Go Habs Go!
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      Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
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      • boing007 says:

        Boo! Bring the Dogs to Laval. Their games might be more entertaining and exciting than those that will be taking place at the Bell Centre.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  44. Phaneufalufagus says:

    I think we will make playoffs next year. yes im one of the 77% here’s why. (this is almost a complete repost of my 1st post here, but i really like listening to myself type.)
    We DO have a top six on the squad already, we just haven’t used them that way yet.
    We also have the best possible way to get Gomez to be a successful contributor.
    Madness you say? blind optimism? Nay!
    We clearly will be signing no one else besides Subban and Eller due to our lack of cap space (Gomez is going nowhere.)
    So we slide Eller up into the top six. I can hear you already, “He looks lost on the wing!”. i agree, so you make him our second line pivot.
    Cole – Pleks – Gionta – Our “first” line, matches up against other top lines as its made up of three men who play a tight responsible defensive game, while are not slouches offensively.

    Patches – Eller – Desharnais – keep patch and dd together for their offensive chemistry, Eller gives this line a little more defensive responsibility so it doesnt have to be sheltered as much as the dd patches cole line. Eller is creative, strong on the puck, and doesnt give up on any play. Desharnais looked good on the wing 2 years ago and he wont get exposed as badly from there as he was in the middle. This line will work and likely result in career years for all three.
    Bourque – Gomez – Moen – Gomez and his giants. ok, theyre not THAT big, but moen goes to the net and bourque kinda floats but has a mean shot. Gomez is the puck carrier, he does his dopey ” i just got across the blue line somebody take this thing” drop pass. bourque is your shooter, moen cleans up garbage. not spectacular defensively, but decent enough to beat up on other teams 3rd and 4th lines.

    Then we have our Prust – White/Nokia – Armstrong line which will just be more annoying for other teams than anything.
    Our D kind of hinges on Markov this year. if hes back, and i mean Really back. we are a playoff team without question.
    Subban-Gorges have already shown they can match up against other teams top offences, but im curious to see Subban Markov on our top pair, and put Gorges with Emelin, to afford Emelin some additional slack. Boullion – Kaberle to round out the bottom can play with other teams grinders just fine as franky will fight for the puck and kaberle can outlet it. they will obviously need to be insulated away from other teams top lines. but which other team has a lock down 5/6?
    Carey Price is an excellent goalie. period. He keeps us in nearly every game. This is our teams greatest asset and why im largely so confident we will be making it to the big dance next year.
    Disagree? probably. But to me this is the most logical way to use our assets and keep our draft picks doing their thing developing in hamilton.
    Exciting times my friends, exciting times. Have a great day.

    • third generation haber says:

      I like your line combos especially matching Gorges and Emelin, but Gomez’s ideal spot is in Hamilton. If he’s going to disgrace himself for a 6th straight season (he was awful in N.Y. too), then he should at least pay the price by riding the buses and staying at the budget in.

      Maybe he could buy his own car and driver to take him to all the road games.

      I’d much rather see Leblanc, Blundin, or Geoffrion in the lineup, all of whom will out-score Gomez this year.

      Why are there are so many Gomez sympathizers on this site???
      He is the most over-payed player in NHL history. For his cap-hit we could afford 8 Micheal Blundens.

      Could any one of us keep our jobs if we were half as useless as this waste of skin??????

      If he had an ounce of self-respect he would piss off to Europe and earn his pay.

      j.p. murray

      • SlovakHab says:

        I think Blunden is not a NHL regular so he can be a substitute for the 4th line.
        As for Geoffrion and Leblanc: Leblanc will be better off in AHL for 1 more season.
        Injuries are guaranteed in NHL so they will most certainly play plenty of games with the big team.
        Geoffrion is 24 so this is his chance to fill out our 2nd or 3rd line when needed and show he can be an effective NHLer.
        Leblanc is just 21 and should only play a handful of games on a sheltered 2nd line shall injuries occur.

        • DCH says:

          I don’t think Geoffrion will ever be more than an energy player. If we have to resort to having him on our second line, we’re in trouble.

          … Not that that is a bad thing. I am all for tanking another season or three and building through the draft with top five picks. Pittsburgh suffered for about 3-4 years languishing at the bottom of the conference. They pick up Fluery, Crosby, Malkin, Letang etc., and now they’re golden for the next 8-10 years.

          Unfortunately, we live in a hockey-mad city that won’t accept failure, when failure is the best thing that can happen to us.

      • CanadienBoy says:

        Habs got till July 20 to buy him out or they will be paying him for this season

      • JUST ME says:

        Blunden will never be anything else than an AHL caliber player.
        Geoffrion may be a fair replacement but for 82 games ?
        Leblanc would benefit from an AHL stint wich he did not go through as he should have.

        The thing is people should get used to the idea of seeing Gomez in the starting lineup cause he will get the chance. If he does not succeed then it will be his wrong doing but new coach new spirit,new chance.
        Same thing with Bourque and Kaberle ,they will play with the Habs get used to it. All this trade,demotion, buyout thing is wishful thinking from the medias and people got in the bandwagon as if it was a done deal.
        Yes we are stuck with them and would rather do without them but unless a naive G.M. wants them (wich is possible with the way things are going in the NHL) the final picture looks pretty clear to me.
        Considering that the habs are in a building mode and needs time to have the youngsters grow and graduate,i think this roster will do just fine as long as the coach makes sure he gets 100 % effort from everyone till then.

      • wjc says:

        You obviously haven’t checked his stats. Disgrace him self for 6 straight seasons is obviously hyperbole.

        8 Blundens, why would you want 8 Blundens, one is almost too much.

        Rather personal attack, so full of venom and hate. You need to calm down, brother and maybe consider another sport/enertainment to occupy your time. Your understanding of hockey is a little questionable. What about ping pong or snakes and ladders, something that is not too taxing and takes into account your limitations.

        wjc

    • SlovakHab says:

      I like your lines

    • Phil C says:

      Switch Cole to right wing and DD to left wing, and it’s a combination we might see this year at some point.

  45. Un Canadien errant says:

    I like the fact that Zach Parisé and Ryan Suter decided to go to Minnesota and Justin Schultz signed with Edmonton. Those are true hockey markets, and these guys want to play in hockey towns, good for them.

    Matt Carle though, going to Tampa Bay? They have a few good or great players, but it’s not a hockey market. I hope he enjoys the weather, but I see this in a poor light, especially compared to the guys I mentioned above.

    • Chris says:

      The whole notion of “hockey market” is sometimes overblown and, from a player perspective, probably a disincentive if anything else.

      If I’m a professional athlete, I’m quite content to play in a market where I can go out for a meal and not be approached by fans. I can go out at night and not worry about fans reporting my exploits on Twitter.

      Tampa Bay is actually a decent market. They won a Stanley Cup in 2003-04, rebuilt after some lean years, and are now once again poised to be a major contender with Stamkos, St. Louis, Lecavalier, Malone, Purcell, Hedman, Carle already playing well and they have Tim Connolly and Dana Tyrell ready to jump into their top-9 forwards.

      The Lightning’s major questionmark was defence (which they’ve addressed by bringing in Carle, Salo and Commodore) and goaltending (which they’ve addressed by acquiring Lindback). I’m still not 100% sold on Lindback, but if he turns out to be a decent goalie the Lightning can contend.

      I’d rather be playing in a crummy hockey market and contending than a great hockey market that is dysfunctional. Tampa Bay was an obvious choice because they needed a top-4 defenceman and are perhaps the closest team to contention with such a need.

      • ont fan says:

        The ego for hockey players starts in minor hockey. All the fringe players in the NHL were stars in their areas. I have to think that must give you some kind of high. Even your family is kind of a celebrity. Going home, for me, even for a few years would be intriguing. Living in obscurity after a lifetime of celebrity is hard to believe.

        • Chris says:

          This is undoubtedly true for some of the guys. But as they get up closer to 30 and marry and have children, the intrusive nature of being a sports celebrity becomes less of a high and more of a pain in the neck.

          We’ve heard from numerous players over the years that while they love playing in the Bell Centre, the biggest annoyance is being recognized everywhere you go.

      • wjc says:

        I am with you, along with great weather, you can be annonomus. Wouldn’t have to listen to nit picky fans vent there hostilities endlessly over drivel. You could avoid having a mic jamed in your face and asked the same boring questions over and over.

        A simple shrug to a question could mean 20 pages on HO.

        wjc

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        We can argue both sides of the hockey market issue Chris, and the points you make are valid and to be considered. I’m stating an opinion, while not dismissing your views or misunderstanding them, that I’m happy that a couple of prize free agents chose to play in towns where hockey means a heck of a lot and is engrained in the culture of the community, as opposed to going somewhere where the weather is nice and where if you lose it won’t be a big deal and people will let you get about your business. I don’t know Matt Carle, but I’m suspicious when someone chooses to go from Philly to Tampa that maybe flipflops and golf entered the equation. It’s understandable if it did, if I had the same opportunities I might go the same way, maybe the wife would put pressure to choose sun over snow, but it makes the Minny duo and Justin Schultz’s choice all the more encouraging and refreshing for me.

    • frankcasting says:

      I went to my first Tampa home game in spring, a nothing, meaningless out-of-the-playoffs vs. Carolina Tuesday night game. Stamkos was closing in on 50 goals, that was the only real allure. But I’ll say this: I live in Toronto these days, and by comparison to ACC crowds in this traditional hockey market. the vastly-jersey-wearing crowd of 20-40 somethings, led by an old=-school organist on a special end-zone perch that must cost the team 100-200 seats, a PA system with a civilized volume level where you could actually talk to your neighbour during breaks and intermissions, and a crowd and oohed and aaaahed at anything close, knew their players, and remained positive while losing 6-2 or something, that market gained my FULL respect. And when you look at Nashville, Carolina, LA, & San José, these teams have done very well in terms of developing a hockey fan base and great enthusiasm, certainly louder than anything in Toronto. I get your point, but I think we are too quick to dismiss the great work being done in other markets.

      Loving the Habs since 1965

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        See my response to Chris. You make good points, but it’s cool that ugly ducklings get to be the swans for once. Players usually bolt from Edmonton and Minny as soon as they can, it must suck to be a fan of those teams after a while.

        Remember the Expos? How our young stars would get pillaged? How much would you buy in to the next crop of stars? I imagine that’s how an Oiler fan might have felt the last few years.

  46. wjc says:

    Reports have Gomez skating hard and in perfect condition. They say he looks like the same player that scored 79 points a few years ago. The best part he is only 32 and could be excellent for the next 5 years, if he will re-sign with the Habs.

    The only thing blurry is Gomez when he skates by you, and you get dizzy trying to follow the puck when he dipsy doodles. Players love him and are rooting for him to rack up the points and shut up the whinners once and for all.

    wjc

    • wjc says:

      Thanks for the update. Excellent as always. Insightful and right to the point. Gomez….woot…….the comeback kid.

      wjc

      • Rozz says:

        umm.. you really just made up a fantasy update about Gomez and then proceeded to comment on your own post to thank yourself for your own “insightful” comments…

        I can’t even mock you right now cause Im actually worried about you. I feel like we are going to read on here one day soon that a crazed HIO poster that goes bythe alias wjc completely lost his sh*t and killed Gomez because he couldnt stand to with out him any more..

        .. your like the real life hector from Blades of Glory ..

        “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

        Mark Twain.

        • Rozz says:

          look at that i was still able to mocked you… i guess it i had it in me after all! :D

          “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

          Mark Twain.

        • wjc says:

          Thanks for worrying about me Rozz. With so many things to worry about I appreciate it.

          Now killing Gomez, that ain’t gonna happen, to anxious to see what Therien has in store for him.

          Not sure who Hector is…..maybe I am better off not knowing, could kill the buzz I got from your concern over my mental state.

          wjc

    • third generation haber says:

      Gomez is payed like a 50 goal scorer, but he’s actualy a 4-5 goal scorer. He’s also bad defensively, and soft. The fact that u are somehow able to see his upside suggests u have possibly the best dealer in the history of drugs.

      Please, please, please share your source! (of dope that is)

      j.p. murray

      • wjc says:

        Check his stats, it would be nice to be informed wouldn’t it. He is a playmaker not a goal scorer. He is a set up man. 50 goals a season was never in his portfolio. That is why Gionta signed on, because Gomez could be his set up man…just like in New Jersey.

        My drug dealer has nothing to do with my opinions. He brings the drugs, I pay him, he leaves…..then….I…..leave….for….a….while.

        wjc

    • homerbowen says:

      Sorry, he’s done like dinner, just move on.

    • JUST ME says:

      I would say this is good news but mostly for him rather than for the Habs. I say he is gone by the all-star break if he does good. His fate is entirely up to him.
      Although i am not one of those thinking that he will go to Hamilton and am convinced he will get a chance to redeem himself with the Habs in the NHL , i do not think that long term he is part of the solution. Even if it is a well known fact that he is an asset in the locker room and that he is a real trooper, i just do not see how he could make it so that he stays in MTL. A trade will be a blessing for everyone.

      • wjc says:

        As long as they get good value, I would go along with that.

        So you are saying he stinks….he is gone…..he is great….he is gone.

        You are right he is a short term filler until the kids are ripened and ready to be picked.

        Frankly I will be glad when you all find yourselves another “whipping boy”.

        wjc

        • JUST ME says:

          I am also fed up with Gomez bashers and was trying to give a more realistic portrait of the situation with him because a lot of people act as if he was gone already wich he is not .

          The only negative side has to do with what fans have made of him since last year. Just for that reason i do not see him staying here very long . I think that even if Therrien will give him a chance, he is also very aware of the situation surrounding Gomez and the medias.

  47. The Dude says:

    I say G-Love gets 4 g-14 a and is a -17 this year……what says you!

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I have given-up predicting anything WHAT ??? Gomer can or will/not do Stephen
      …miracles do happen though :)

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • The Jackal says:

      There’s a much higher chance of you continuing to be a negative nancy.

      • shootdapuck says:

        Why is there continually a problem with anyone who doesn’t toe the party line and chooses to express their own opinions?

        If you don’t Rah Rah every move made by the Habs, their management and their fans you are branded by a small group of the commentariat as a “bad person, a Negative Nancy, a non committed fan or worst of all a closet Laffs supporter”.

        There an old saying; “opinions are like noses everyone has one!” and in some countries the right to express that opinion is taken for granted!

        =================================================
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        • Lizardking89 says:

          Here here well said. I predict Gomez will start training camp with the big club but after a few preseason games Therrien will either bench him, scratch him or they send him down.

        • ont fan says:

          Opinions are great when balanced. When negative or positive is all you get, it gets boring. Surely you have to go to the other side occasionally. Just my opinion. Gomez will start with the habs and get 30 points.

      • wjc says:

        Just keep an eye out for “positive Lucy”.

        wjc

    • wjc says:

      What say I, 16 goals and 48 asssists and a plus 12. Therien will get him back on track. Someday, when Gomez writes his book he will talk about the down years and how Therien saved his career.

      wjc

      • DCH says:

        I hope you’re right. I agree with you about how stats don’t lie. There’s a reason why a 50-70 pt player suddenly dropped in production during the last two years that cannot be attributed to the post-lockout “game change”. My money is on coaching/injury.

        Gomez is in the dog house, but if he can work his way into Therrien’s confidence and gets some quality time with quality wingers, there should be no reason he doesn’t put up decent numbers (barring unknowns like injury, or shattered confidence due to rabid “what have you done for me lately” fans…).

    • DCH says:

      I really don’t get all the Gomez hate. He’s two seasons removed from about 60pts, which is decent for a 2nd line C. Is he overpaid? Yes – no doubt. But why the DESIRE to see him fail from the vast majority of you? Wouldn’t be it be fantastic if he bounces back to a decent 50-70 pt season? Wouldn’t it be a great feel-good story and, even better, help our team that we’re supposed to be fans of?

  48. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …a couple Youtube links My Son found today I thought Y’all may enjoy
    …My apology if these are old news, but first-time for Me
    …first, ‘Sh#t Habs Fans Say’: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odw6LgmXZQg

    …second, ‘MTL Stand Up !’ by Annakin Slayd; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK0l0XEW3Dw

    …’MTL Stand Up !’, by the way, as of today, becomes one of HIS’ alternative HIO Official Theme Songs :)

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  49. habstrinifan says:

    Anyone can help with the postal address where one should send money orders for the summit. I went to the ‘facebook’ link but it seems you have to go through a facebook registration and login to get the address… unless I am missing something.

    Thanks in advance.

  50. commandant says:

    From the last page

    The Habs have invited Brendan Ranford to training camp.

    He’s a young LW/C who was drafted in the 7th round in 2010 by the Flyers, but unsigned.

    At 5’10″ he has some size issues… and he’s not the best skater in the league, but he plays a gritty game and has put up a ton of points for Kamloops in the WHL.

    86 points in 68 games in 2011
    92 points in 69 games this year.

    Definite low risk/high reward type of move here. Ranford has some skils, he works hard, goes to the net, has a decent shot, and good playmaking working off the cycle game. He does have the deficiencies stated above though.

    We’ll see how he does in camp.

    Go Habs Go!
    NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now.
    Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      Brendan Ranford; Hockey’s Future: ” Talent Analysis

      Despite his size, Ranford is a gritty forward. He has no problem going to fight for the puck, but his biggest issue may be that his efforts are sometimes easily thwarted. His other glaring issue is his skating. Despite solid quickness, he stride becomes messy and inconsistent leaving his overall footspeed lacking.

      He possesses a very good offensive awareness and strong offensive talents as well as solid defensive play. However his size, a facet of the game which many players make up for with skating, could become an issue for him if he does not improve his skating.”

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  51. zaq007 says:

    Real curious to see what our second line looks like next season

  52. HardHabits says:

    I heard a rumour that Gomez’ training isn’t going well and that he is suffering from dizzy spells, getting head-aches, blurry vision. I am beginning to suspect he’ll be on the LTIR for oh say about at least two years. It really sucks because he was so great in the room and all.

  53. Habbu says:

    Mikey?…….you there?
    Hey bro…….say it ain’t so

  54. commandant says:

    The Habs have invited Brendan Ranford to training camp.

    He’s a young LW/C who was drafted in the 7th round in 2010 by the Flyers, but unsigned.

    At 5’10″ he has some size issues… and he’s not the best skater in the league, but he plays a gritty game and has put up a ton of points for Kamloops in the WHL.

    86 points in 68 games in 2011
    92 points in 69 games this year.

    Definite low risk/high reward type of move here. Ranford has some skils, he works hard, goes to the net, has a decent shot, and good playmaking working off the cycle game. He does have the deficiencies stated above though.

    We’ll see how he does in camp.

    Go Habs Go!
    NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now.
    Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

  55. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    I will not leave HIO if Gomez is still a Canadien come October, that was a rash outburst propelled by righteous rage, not a honest statement.

    I will be MIGHTILY P*SSED OFF though…………

    He really should have been gone after 2010-11.

    He should not be on the roster, but rather come to camp and fight for a spot.

    • Cal says:

      If Go(right now,please)mez doesn’t come to camp with a fire lit under his arse, MT won’t want him around. Lots of summer left to move him. It’s just a question of how drunk MB can get the counterpart he needs to make ANY deal.

  56. HardHabits says:

    This article appeared in The American Journal of Somnambulism.

  57. otter649 says:

    The Wild gets some payback with the signing of Parise & Suter after losing Marian Garobik for nothing a few years back…..

    • nickster13 says:

      Good for them indeed. Im sure Mikko Koivu is all smiles today, he’s had nothing to work with for years.

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

  58. frontenac1 says:

    No idea on winger. Any thoughts?

  59. PrimeTime says:

    So is everyone set how to manage the team better than MB? Your opinions based on zero knowledge mean dick.

    When does Boone leave?? Maybe we can get some unbiased journalism from his replacement……would be a welcome change!

    Btw, no need to reply. I couldn’t care less what you have to say and won’t read it anyway.

    PT

  60. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …sittin’ now in Starbutt’s in nearby town to Our campground, sippin’ java (I am ‘into’ roughin’ it only up to a certain point) …and reviewin’ some of the reactions to My earlier rant on the 2 Eggheads that said ‘a lot of nothing’ featured in Boone’s blog above
    …one persnickety HIO member, aka 23 1/2 Cups ?, pointed out I am compulsively always taking swipes at Mike Boone, for one reason or other
    …now, admittedly, I have had, on occasion, a bit of Sturm und Drang ambivalence with Mike Boone over these few years that I have been a participating member of HIO’s Commentariat …based on a couple of egregious issues caused and expressed by Boone quite awhile ago
    …I am sure, during all this time, I have also spouted some potentially egregious things Myself …or, at least on ‘the border-line’
    …I just want to make this clear, though I have fun taking an irreverent ‘swipe’ at Boone from time to time, like today, IMO, His poor choice of featuring these 2 Hockey Mensas in today’s blog …I feel Mike Boone is the fertilizer that keeps HIO’s lawn ‘green’
    …hmmm, maybe ‘fertilizer’ is not, under the circumstance, the most complimentary analogy to use …no, Mike Boone is ‘the electricity’ that lights-up HIO, and keeps it vital and compelling to return
    …notwithstanding My irreverence to Mike at times, I dread August 31st, the date I hear He will leave The Gazette, and find He no longer is the ringmaster of HIO
    …I hope that leaving HIO as well, will never happen
    …because I worry without Mike Boone, the lights will go off in Our special little community in HIO
    …I am a person that infrequently gets too attached to superficial things …yet, My Habs Fandom has been an exception …and, HIO, It’s ‘Commentariat’, and Michael Boone are extensions to that ‘exception’
    …I very much hope to hear Our Booner will not be leaving Us
    …as It will not be the same without Him

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  61. boonie says:

    Note to all future GMs not named Shero, don’t enter a season with all star caliber player due to become a UFA… Trade him. After watching Parise and Suter collude (in ways teams can’t) leaving New Jersey and Nashville losing key assets for nothing and echoing Niewendyk’s mistake with Richards the year before a GMs responsibility is abundantly clear… Get something.

    Shero parlayed a potential nothing for stall into real assets. Bergevin sidestepped a potential issue with Price. 

  62. frontenac1 says:

    Hardhabits, sounds like John Erskine.

  63. Adidess says:

    Considering how much of a glass half-empty kind of crowd HIO is, I am surprised so many of us (77%) think we’re going to make the playoffs next year based on the changes that have happened so far. And i’m usually among the small optimistic bunch.

    I remember watching the first round of the playoffs in April and thinking ‘you know what, we would have been easy canon fodder for any of the four teams in the top half of the conference, had we made it’. We didn’t seem to have that extra gear most teams seemed to be going to.

    While I believe we slightly underachieved last year as a group, one line did overachieve. I don’t know if we can count on both Patches and Cole to replicate or exceed their career year of 33+ goals each. Tough to do in this league (unless you’re elite talent like a Stamkos, Crosby or Malkin). We will need a lot more secondary scoring than we got last year, even as we lost two natural scorers (Cammy and AK) who didn’t do well last season. Pleks will have to have a much better offensive year, Bourque will need to be that 20-25 goal scorer he can be.

    We got tougher, a big positive. But defense is still a question mark and we probably won’t survive any key injury to the D core (no depth). I’m anxious to see how Markov stakes at training camp. A healthy Markov would make a difference – a one-knee Markov who can’t turn sharply or is afraid to play in the corners and along the boards, the Markov of March, won’t help all that much. Kaberle, Diaz, Weber, should be playing limited, spot duty minutes if we are to allow less goals against. I’m hoping Emelin is better in defensive awareness in addition to laying energy-boosting hits on people.

    I voted no based on the following, though I know we could get lucky.

    Teams that are still better than us on paper: Pitt, Phi, NYR, Bos, Was. That’s 5.

    Teams that still give us a run for our money: TB, NYI, NJD, Car, they have elite talent that we don’t (Stamkos, Tabares, Kovalchuk, Staal), players that are a lock to get 85/90 pts. We’re offense by cttee.

    I could argue we’re on par with Flo, Ottawa, and Buf, but is that certain? The first two made the playoffs last year.

    Who’s left? Winnipeg, Toronto. See what I’m saying? Unless we add another top 6 forward (a Doane) and a tough top 4-5 stay at home, crease clearing D, and some of our guys overachieve this year, we’re more likely to be out of playoff contention than in it, in my humble, superficial analysis…

    I’m hoping some of the new guys (Armstrong) will chip in offensively, which I have a feeling could happen. But it remains a question.

    I’d like to hear some realistic counterpoints to this, I may be missing sports on TV (not a baseball guy) and as a result not seeing straight…

    • boonie says:

      Sadly, I can’t think of any reasons that suggest a playoff spot for this squad next year.

      Sure, we could get optimistic (read, lucky) and have Markov post career best numbers, Price pull a Theodore and Cole and Max could equal or best career marks.

      Or, Cole, Price, Markov play to their averages; and a team that struggled not to finish last overall, returns most of the same roster and spent the first days of July adding toughness on the third and fourth lines and a third pairing D means a modest improvement over last year’s forgettable season.

      Added a recycled coach and a rookie GM who – to date, has played it safe and you get 23%…

  64. Steven says:

    I heard this rumour from a friend(who probably heard it from somewhere interesting, but not necessarily reputable). Take this with a grain of salt, but I would like to hear the commentariat’s opinion on this.

    Apparently Detroit’s interested in Markov(With no name attached on the other end).

    Assuming they think Markov can return to form, this makes perfect sense(since they need a replacement for Lidstrom and Markov could do well in that role). The question, now, is:

    a) Do you trade Markov?
    b) Who/what would you want in return?
    c) What would Detroit likely offer?

    • nickster13 says:

      Yes, if the return fits the loss. I would want Tomas Jurco!

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • boonie says:

      If it’s even remotely true, the. Ba bye Marky… Hopefully a decent prospect or a first. Hell, they paid that much for Quincy. They are upset about missing Suter and need something to build around. If they think Markov helps, yeah us. I’m expecting a non-playoff season, so now is the time to stock up on futures.

      Expect a good offer fromthe Wings for Nash too. Add something for Ryan while you’re at it.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      DD will shown u all, what will and tenacity can do, as he has improve every years and so again this years, he will rewrite St Louis record, to bad u guys have no faith and getting very predictable

  65. HardHabits says:

    This might sound very odd coming from me but I am going to predict that the Habs are going to win a Stanley Cup in the next 6 years.

    Okay. Let me make that less odd and change that to in the next 3-6 years. In the next two years the Habs will not be very good. Not Tanking™ bad but not play-off good.

    I am one of the 23% that voted No.

    • Cal says:

      What a surprise you’re a 23%er. ;)

      • HardHabits says:

        In order for the Habs to make the play-offs they would (IMHO of course) need to pick up

        a) another top 6 winger

        as well as…

        b) a stay at home defence man that would hopefully have at least 3 of the following:

        i) size
        ii) grit
        iii) a bit of nasty
        iv) be a plus player in +/-
        v) a cannon from the point

        However that would also entail either trading (unlikely) or burying Gomez, and parting with 2 of Diaz, Weber and/or Kaberle.

        • Cal says:

          With Parise and Suter signed, the logjam will be broken and trades will be made. It remains to be seen who will be available and at what price, though. I’ve been wanting the brass to part with Diaz and Weber, so I remain hopeful that will happen. Last season’s perfect shitstorm of injuries and underachievement should not be repeated.
          A scorer is needed to replace Cammy and AK (that’s about 40 goals right there). MB will have to make a move to see that this happens, although I don’t see Weber or Diaz being the main trade bait. Bourque plus those 2 as throw-ins may not attract any interest except for a problem player. Danny Heatly may be possible. But, is he a solution?

          • boing007 says:

            ‘A scorer is needed to replace Cammy and AK (that’s about 40 goals right there).’

            Under ideal conditions, more like 50 to 60. Minimum. That’s almost a goal a game. Big loss. Big gain.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Bill J says:

      I think the question requires more answer options.

      - Too early to tell
      - Not yet, but heading in right direction.

      I suspect the not yet one would win the poll.


      #OperationGomezTirePump
      #OperationSubbanDeflatedSalaryExpectations

      Tweet it, talk about it. Let’s get rid of Gomez and sign Subban for cheap!
      Go Habs Go!

    • Bill J says:

      . Double post, sorry.

    • pottymonster says:

      I can’t see the habs in the playoffs next year either. I do think that with a healthy Markov and healthy Gionta we’ll be a better team, but with the way the game is these days we’ll probably have a couple of other injuries that will leave us saying ‘if we only had so and so for the season we would have…’

      it’s not so much that depth is our issue, it’s that our high end talent isn’t high enough to compensate for when one or two top players go down.

  66. Marc10 says:

    Dropped by KuklasKorner to check out the reaction to the Suter/Parise signings…

    Wings fans are crying en masse about missing out on Parise/Suter and are now viewing their post Lidstrom futures with dread. It’s very refreshing. (This might get compounded next year when they’re stuck with a 7+ year Alex Semin contract and they lose out on the Shea Weber lottery!)

    Oh, how the mighty have fallen. I hope they fall some more! :)

    • Chuck says:

      Yeah, they’ve had their fun. Now it’s time for the team at the other end of the 401 to take over. :)

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

  67. HabFanSince72 says:

    I think that article was tongue in cheek.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  68. boing007 says:

    The French commentator on RDS’s World Cup of table hockey just used the word hallucinant to describe some of the action. I guess he’s never taken LSD.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  69. HFX-HabFan says:

    Carle to Tampa confirmed. Six year deal.

    • RGM says:

      $5.5M per season. Cripes, for an extra M you can get a Carey Price.

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

      • Bill J says:

        Carey’s a bargain!


        #OperationGomezTirePump
        #OperationSubbanDeflatedSalaryExpectations

        Tweet it, talk about it. Let’s get rid of Gomez and sign Subban for cheap!
        Go Habs Go!

        • RGM says:

          Gomer’s salary drops this season to a paltry $5.5M, so same value. LOL

          ———————–
          GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
          “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

          Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Let’s hope his contract isn’t ridiculous in terms of money. The term is already quite long… 6 years? Is he a franchise defenseman or something?

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        He’s a glorified number two D in my opinion. Played more minutes this past year in Pronger’s absence, but he’s never reached the offensive potential he was supposed to have when he first broke in with the Sharks.

    • Phil C says:

      Good move by Yzerman. If you compare Carle’s numbers for the last three years to Suter’s numbers, they are surprisingly similar. They are similar in stature and are both very durable players who play big minutes. $5.5M is not cheap, but I think it is much better value than the Suter deal when you consider Tampa has $2M to spend elsewhere and with a much more realistic term.

  70. wjc says:

    Who gets the most points Gomez or Jagr.

    How many people are hoping Gomez fails, not just fails, but fails miserably. Eller goes to wing…honest he don’t mind. Gives Canadiens more depth.

    How many more points does Jagr get then Gomez. Gomez is a better playmaker.

    I can hear the chant…Go—-mez Go—–mez. The phonies wearing their Gomez sweaters, pretending that were hoping for him when they weren’t.

    wjc

    • Bill J says:

      In what league, because I could see Gomez get more pts then Jagr. If Gomez is in the AHL.


      #OperationGomezTirePump
      #OperationSubbanDeflatedSalaryExpectations

      Tweet it, talk about it. Let’s get rid of Gomez and sign Subban for cheap!
      Go Habs Go!

      • wjc says:

        Both in the NHL…….I think Jagr will get more points…..but Gomez will be a surprisingly close second. I just got this gut feeling Gomez is going to make the comeback.

        wjc

    • RGM says:

      What poor sap owns a Gomez sweater?

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

      • wjc says:

        Fair weather fan….fair weather fan…..turning your back on a Montreal Canadien……and then call yourself a fan…..for shame, for shame.

        wjc

        • RGM says:

          Yes I am truly contrite and humbled by a faceless person on the Internet. One look in my home and you would have absolutely no question about my lifelong support of this team. You confuse a name on the back with the support of the logo on the front. That’s your prerogative but don’t try to grab some sort of “I’m a better fan that you are” position over me because you’ll find that that bucket don’t carry water.

          ———————–
          GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
          “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

          Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

          • wjc says:

            bucket don’t carry water…..the hate for Gomez, don’t carry no water. If you are this super fan then show, with support for all players and support for management to make the right decisions

            wjc

          • RGM says:

            I don’t hate Gomez. I think he’s a wonderful person. I just don’t think he’s a particularly good hockey player and I don’t think that he is a net contributor to the team. In a salary cap world, where teams have only a certain sized pie to divvy up to players, he commands much too large a piece for the results he brings. His talents are insufficient to improve the team. I think that the team can do better, and I hope that they do. The right decision is to remove him from the team and replace him with a better player or pair of players to fill out the top six.

            I don’t need to justify myself to you or anybody.

            ———————–
            GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
            “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

            Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

        • Bill J says:

          wtf? As far as I’m concerned. A REAL fan desires the team to be better, it’s not like Gomez has only been here for one season. It’s the same crap year after year. Sadly the same crap he was pulling with the Rangers prior to the Habs.

          Wishing and praying can only get you so far, Gomez has to leave IF you want the Habs to improve. So unless you are pumping his tires, like my signature implies.. You’re off base.


          #OperationGomezTirePump
          #OperationSubbanDeflatedSalaryExpectations

          Tweet it, talk about it. Let’s get rid of Gomez and sign Subban for cheap!
          Go Habs Go!

      • wjc says:

        Don’t need no picture….just sayin…..especially dog/cat pictures.

        wjc

        • Rozz says:

          well, pointing out some one is “hiding behind a picture” when you have no picture at all.. well its kinda.. how should i say it..

          Mr. Pot, allow me to introduce you to Mr. kettle..

          “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

          Mark Twain.

      • Cal says:

        Mattyleg. The day he got it he had an adventure with a turnstyle. Ask him about it- it’s hilarious.

    • Heisenberg_ says:

      Kid, I know the blue is good, but give it a rest. Lay off the ‘product’ for a little while.

      ____________________________________________________________________ “Never give up control. Live life on your own terms. Every life comes with a death sentence.”

      • wjc says:

        Accusing me of being under the influence, when a I can see the future so clearly…you will rue the day you laughed at me. I will stand behind the Canadiens. It is the old fashion way, I cannot kick a multi millionaire when he is down.

        wjc

        • pottymonster says:

          the multimillionaire doesn’t give a crap if you kick him when he’s down because, well, he’s a multimillionaire.

          also, seriously? a comeback year for gomez? you have a gut feeling so you attack everyone who disagrees with you about it?

          looking at numbers, looking at his play style, there is no hope he has a comeback year. none. his career is over. it’s been over for 2 years now, and he’s been grossly overpaid for 5. that’s why you’ll find no love for him here.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Are you a paid “viral-marketing-operative”, or just a weirdo?

        P.S. I just noticed that your username is “Heisenberg_” with a dash at the end, which either means “Heisenberg” was taken by someone else, or you screwed up when you created the “Heisenberg” account and had to make a new one. Either way it’s embarrassing for somebody.

  71. boing007 says:

    RDS is showing the 2011 World Cup of table hockey from Nantes, France. With instant replays. Drinking not allowed. A thrill a second. What happened to Frank’s Hot Sauce?

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • RGM says:

      I put that s*** on everything. The Chili Lime is particularly excellent.

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  72. gp52 says:

    why cant we land langenbrunner or arnott

    • Bill J says:

      Because Gainey works for the Dallas Stars. And Gauthier was fired.


      #OperationGomezTirePump
      #OperationSubbanDeflatedSalaryExpectations

      Tweet it, talk about it. Let’s get rid of Gomez and sign Subban for cheap!
      Go Habs Go!

      • HardHabits says:

        I take it you see MB as a breath of fresh air.

        • Bill J says:

          More like a unlimited supply of oxygen in the middle of Detroit city, heavenly!

          Communication! Under Bergevin, Boucher would not have been allowed to leave. IMO.

          Edit: I had forgotten what it was like to have competent management, I actually believed in Gainey. Loved him as a player, but as a GM ? Not that much.

          However, Pierre Gauthier was truly horrible. And rumour has it, that he had a strong hand in the Gomez trade. Both in whom we let go, as well as who we got.

          Gauthier, by far is even worse then Houle as far as I’m concerned.

          #OperationGomezTirePump
          #OperationSubbanDeflatedSalaryExpectations

          Tweet it, talk about it. Let’s get rid of Gomez and sign Subban for cheap!
          Go Habs Go!

          • I am not a fan of Gauthier at all and I really detest him. But I can’t lie, he did pull off some decent moves too. He signed Erik Cole, who is a “breath of fresh air” as HardHabits said. He acquired Bournival and drafted Tinordi and Beaulieu (I guess credit goes to Timmins for that). He somehow managed to convince Alexei Emelin to head overseas and make the jump to the NHL. Not a lot of positives, but he did do SOMETHING. Although most of his moves cost the Habs a lot.. Campoli signing was horrendous, I’d rather have Mara on a one-way contract. The lack of grit and the lack of ACTUAL grinders on this roster was pathetic. I loved the additions of Prust and Armstrong by Bergevin. But the thing that ticks me off the most about Gauthier – the lack of class and communication. After the whole Cammalleri fiasco, coaches being fired on the day of the game – HOURS before the game.. Way to ruin the image of the CH.

    • wjc says:

      Doesn’t matter if they have lost a step, they can always dump them in Hamilton.

      wjc

    • RGM says:

      Because it’s not 2002?

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81


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