Price to start against Flames; Pacioretty, Gionta ready to go

Canadiens coach Michel Therrien confirmed after practice Tuesday in Calgary that goaltender Carey Price will make his third straight start against the Flames on Wednesday (8 p.m., TSN, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

Max Pacioretty, who worked out Monday with a non-contact jersey, was wearing a regular practice sweater Tuesday and was back on his familiar line with David Desharnais and Daniel Briere. Captain Brian Gionta, who didn’t fly to Calgary with his teammates on Monday because of family reasons, was expected to arrive in Calgary Tuesday night and be in the lineup Wednesday.

Wednesday’s game will the the 500th of Rene Bourque’s NHL career. The Canadiens won’t hold a morning skate Wednesday in Calgary before the game.

George Parros continues to make good progress from the concussion he suffered Oct. 1 vs. Toronto. He did not make the trip and no time frame has been given for his return.

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at practice Tuesday:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Briere
Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher
Bournival-Plekanec-Bourque
Moen-White-Prust

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Diaz
Bouillon-Tinordi

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Game Preview, NHL.com

Expect Pacioretty to play against Flames, by Dave Stubbs

Homecoming game for Habs’ Bourque, Canadiens.com

Habs’ EGG line deserves a better name, Stu on Sports blog

Eller an emerging star in Montreal, Calgary Herald

Flames rookie Monahan taking Calgary by storm, Calgary Herald

Flames’ Hartley on the coaching hotseat, Stu on Sports blog

On the road – Calgary, Canadiens.com

Patrick Roy back in the spotlight, ready for a fight, by Bruce Arthur

Habs prospect Thrower happy to be close to home in Vancouver, NHL.com

577 Comments

  1. Lafleurguy says:

    Maybe Torts is a better coach than Vigneault.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  2. Maritime Ronn says:

    Really looking forward to the coaching match-ups tonight and for the rest of the trip.

    While Habs coaching doesn’t name a 1st-2nd-3rd line when playing 5X5 hockey, that really is irrelevant.

    It will be the opposing coaches that will determine which line is 1-2-3 as they have the last change as to who plays against what line.

    In a way, here’s hoping they see it as Eller-Plex-Davy in that order and here are some reasons.
    The deemed Top Habs Line will face the toughest defensive competition.

    It will be great to see how the Eller line matches up against the Top Pair Dmen on the other team and either a Top 6 or dedicated checking line.

    If the opposing teams feel the Davy line is 3rd, that means they will play against the 2nd/3rd D pairings and not the top checking line and that HAS to be an advantage.
    On several teams the 5-6 Dmen are usually slower and less overall talented.
    Playing against lesser talents should open up some room to perform….at least Habs fans should hope so,

    • Marc10 says:

      Captain Kirk could be in danger. He’s got Stall, Skinner, JStall, Semin and they’re not going anywhere. Looks like a country club down there.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Rutherford, despite the Cup win, has performed poorly in recent years. Releasing 3 million dollar Jussi Jokinen on waivers was a terrible decision. Probably had to be done because of the 7 million he invested in Semin. G’evenin’ mate.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Strummer says:

          That Cup win was the perfect storm for Rutherford.

          Habs were ahead 2-0 in the series before Saku nearly lost his eye.

          Sabres were missing 3 starting defencemen in the Coference final.

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    • Danno says:

      Buffalo’s Ron Rolston is still winless after four games…

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      I have always been curious about Trotz as a coach. Undoubtedly for years he got his team to play hard, but no playoff success. Obviously money spent is a factor, but at some point the Preds need more success, and is usual, the GM will first sacrifice the coach.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Nashville gambled a lot when they still had Ryan Suter paired with Weber, and even the year after when they traded futures for Gaustad, Kostitsyn the older, and Gill. They resemble the Habs after Koivu, Kovalev, Tanguay, and Lang all left the team through different exits.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  3. mksness says:

    i would rather price get the start in edmonton. not sure why playing him against calgary proves. i would rather have my number one ready for a team that can score than the flames

  4. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning everyone! So I wake up once again confused (You’d think I’d be use to this by now). Last night Nash received an elbow to the head. Wasn’t the NEW NHL protocol that the player be sent to a “quiet” room for a period of time after receiving a blow to the head?
    Well, guess what? Nash continued to play the rest of the first period but was then forced to leave the game with what he described as a headache. This would be at least Nash’s second concussion.

    In case you missed the hit:

    http://www.msg.com/teams/rangers/games/game.2013100818.html

  5. Lafleurguy says:

    Sweden bumps Markstrom up, and Lundqvist down on list of Olympic goalie candidates.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      A tough night for those who have the King in their fantasy leagues. Timmy flop was off to a similar start in Florida but he pulled a Clemens/Duran and left the ice after the 2nd goal citing an injury.

      Morning Guy!

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Hiya J., I’m back after those important messages. This is the most attention I’ve paid to goaltending, and all-in-all, it raises my confidence in Cool-As-A-Cucumber Carey. Goaltending is a tough, tough job. Here in TO, Bernier wasn’t given raspberries for a short-side, near impossible angle goal by Corey Sarich, but it will come. No doubt Quick had a sour taste in his mouth after the raspberries the LA crowd gave him (“sour taste”= a duck quack).

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  6. Danno says:

    About rink names, money and David Desharnais

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  7. Cal says:

    It’s time tonight to see if that extra practice time pays off for DD, Brière and Patches.
    In the meantime, we can all hope that the young guns bring the EGG and the Pleks line with Bourque and Gio bring the bacon.
    Subban can bring the cheese.
    For some reason, I’m hungry.

  8. Marc10 says:

    Another rookie held back by an evil coach.

    Thomas Hertl plays a shade over 11 minutes… and scores four goals!

  9. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning

    Habs boredom reigns, so why not a little Habs Conspiracy Theory…

    Can the HIO master detectives shed any light on this mystery?

    Last week, Raphael Diaz launched a new Iphone hockey app and his buddy Davy Desharnais tagged along.

    A few pics were snapped:

    http://cdn.25stanley.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/IMG_9077.jpg

    http://cdn.25stanley.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Screen-shot-2013-10-07-at-6.56.37-PM.png

    Both Davy and Raphael appear to be about the same height and Davy actually looks a little thicker and wider…

    But Wait!
    According to the Official Habs web site that posts the heights and weights of the players, it says the following:

    Raphael Diaz:……5’11” – 197 lbs.
    Davy Desharnais: 5′ 7″ – 170 lbs.

    That would mean that Diaz is a reported 4″ taller and 27 pounds heavier than Davy D.
    Looking closely at those pics, how is that even remotely possible?

    Either Davy D. goes out into public wearing elevator shoes and heavy Popeye undergarments, or the Diaz weight/height numbers were a whole lot mixed up.

  10. WAKIE WAKIE, IT’S TIME TO BAKEY

    GAME DAY GAME DAY

    GO HABS GO

    CAREY CAREY CAREY

    Where is everyone? It’s 5:12 and All is Well

    We’re gonna party like it’s 1999!

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  11. Da Hema says:

    Interesting. According to TSN, the Habs recalled Beaulieu. One would think HIO would at least once in a blue moon beat TSN to the punch.

    • pmaraw says:

      for whatever reason, I thought this happened before the philly game, wasn’t he in the pressbox? and practicing with the squad?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I believe they have been sending him back up and down in between these games for cap purposes, given the time between games for the Habs. Now that we start to have more than 1 game per week, the yo-yo callups should slow down.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        burli

        Cap issues may be a concern this year so teams will always look to save anywhere they can.

        Nice article written by Rand Simon of the Don Meehan Newport Sports Agency
        Cap is calculated daily for NHL teams.

        ” Players under NHL contract get paid every two weeks but only during the season. The first paycheck typically arrives in mid-October and the last one in mid-April, making for 13 pay periods throughout the season.”

        ” The first step is to calculate the player’s daily rate of pay. This season there are 187 days for NHL players. So, a player with a salary of $1 million in the NHL earns $5,347.59 per day before escrow.

        http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/10852-Insider-Blog-The-taxman-cometh.html

  12. MtlCANADIENS93 says:

    thomas hertlie on san jose is unreal tonight 4 goals and just scored a highlight of the year goal 8-2 sharks

  13. oldtimerguy says:

    When this team recycles out pleky, gio, bourque, moen, markov, diaz, bouillon, drewiske, murray, and inputs some of collberg, hudon, mccarron, de la rose, andrighetto, crisp, reway, holland, beaulieu, dietz, ellis, bennett, nygren, and then of course add in 1 or 2 top end key fa’s to what will be a great growing core of subban, paccioretty, galchenyuk, Gallagher, eller, possibly desharnais, maybe price, maybe fucale, then we will be a contender.

    right now, we’re just a growing, developing 1or 2 playoff round team.

    • naweed235 says:

      Actually I think that guys like Pleky and Gio are exactly what you need as part of a contending team. Not as your top guys but as those support guys that will make the difference. Names like Chris Kelly and Dave Bolland come to mind in the recent years

      • Marc10 says:

        Nothing wrong with either guy. They would fit in nicely on most teams. It’s just about salary and roster balance.

        I’d expect both to take a paycut (hometown discount) to stick around as the team changes, skills up and gets moar bigger.

    • neumann103 says:

      Oldtimerguy
      So just to summarize your two most recent posts:

      1. Ditch Plekanec, Gionta, Bourque etc, but add some mythical free agents.
      2. Desharnais is playing fine, and an excellent backchecker to boot.
      Ummmmmm…okay….
      (steps slowly away)

      “Et le but!”

      • oldtimerguy says:

        ditch? did I say ditch? you must mean trade off and get back drafts or prospects…

        and FA’s are not mythical…they come up every year….and once in a blue moon, they will come here…especially now with bergevin leading a properly run team with excellent management, scouting, coaching, and with a ton of good young players in the system.

        as for dd, yes, I stand by what I said about his game after 2 games in…the pts are not always indicative of what a guy is doing for his team.

  14. oldtimerguy says:

    Not sure what the fuss is about DD after just 2 games…I mean, really, people ..back off a bit…the truth is, he hasn’t been bad at all so far, he’s made some passes that should have been converted into pts, he’s backchecked and been solid defensively, and, he’s broken up many plays in the transition zone creating opportunities going the other way…all in all, with paccioretty down, not so bad…not everything one does always shows up in pts…

    as for last year, again, not so bad, considering he ended up with a mere 5 pts less that pleky, who by all accounts had a great year. yes, I know the inside stats, the way in which each was used , sheltered minutes, zone starts etc…but hey, give the guy a break…therrien doesn’t play him because he’s French, he plays him because he’s talented and contributes…i’d say he looks better than last year already and given his track record over his career, its beyond foolish to think of getting rid of him so quickly…we’re mostly all habs fans here, try to give the guy a little breathing room, he may just deserve it.

    • nbsjfan says:

      People are looking at his body of work going back to last season. He was invisible for much of last year and certainly more so as the season wore on. I can’t speak for the rest but to me its like I’m watching a bad re-run and have been since about March of last year. Can’t win faceoffs, gets knocked off the puck with ease and spends all his time zipping around looking like he might do something but in the end doesn’t. He either has to play like Gallagher and get his nose dirty or he’s a useless part. Comparing him to Pleks is a wrong thing to do. Plekanec is a 2 way center. He kills penalties and plays well defensively. Nobody is expecting 70 points from him. DD’s main goal in life is to be the #1 offensive centerman on this team, something he is woefully adept at and has been since the midpoint of last year.

      I say he should enjoy his salary, its probably going to be the peak of his career.

      • oldtimerguy says:

        last season, he finished 5 pts in back of plekanec…

        did he have stretches where it wasn’t working for him? yes, for sure…did anyone else? yes, for sure…is he valued on the team by other players who KNOW the many details he brings to the ice most nights? yes, they do. I think you and others here are waaaay too critical of the guy….its like you have this hate on for him that is so strong that you can’t even see or say when he is doing things well. How many times have I seen him set up someone for what should be a goal and they don’t convert???? and by the way, he does seem a lot stronger on the puck this year, better on the walls and quicker on the back check in the mid ice zone… as for getting his nose dirty, you should only have such courage and skill to get to the nhl…give the guy a break man…accusing him of not getting his nose dirty is just silly…trust me, ANYONE who gets to the NHL has gotten their nose dirty.

  15. ClutchNGrab says:

    Is Tim Thomas this year’s Alex Kovalev for the Panthers? One first good game and horrible play after that.

  16. Hobie Hansen says:

    Vancouver fans are acting like Habs fans and cheering on Schneider. Way to make Luongo feel happy! NJ wins this game.

  17. JO says:

    What does fighting really prove. Two dummies beating on each other until one goes down or they run out of gas. Wow how exciting and they get paid a million dollars to do that thanks to the people in the seats. The owners don’t mind not costing them.

  18. Strummer says:

    “Hi- I’m Ryan Clowe- and I won the Lottery in July!!”

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  19. dr zgembo adislic says:

    Guys remember last season when therrien sat out eller for few games and he came back stronger and better, I think he should do the same thing with DD, put him for 3, 4 games in the stands and make him think.

    \\m//

  20. Strummer says:

    Patrick Roy- undefeated

    Jacques Martin- undefeated

    Nothing beats a clean sheet/fresh start

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  21. Chuck says:

    Laffs lost? What a shame.

  22. Bill says:

    Leafs lose, won’t have to hear how great they are tomorrow. Feels good.

  23. DipsyDoodler says:

    The Avs tanked for years and got players like Duchenne, Landeskog and McKinnon.

    While they lost money because of their poor performances, Canadian hockey fans compensated the team financially.

    The Avs are owned by Stan Kroenke, one of the richest men in the world (married a Walmart heiress).

    (Still… always nice to see the Leafs lose.)

  24. Mattyleg says:

    This may have been mentioned already, but as stupid as I see most fighting in the NHL, it’s pretty nice seeing Ashton wearing a face-mask.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  25. frontenac1 says:

    Ex Frontenac Gudbranson tossed for trying to drill Hartnell”s head through the glass.

  26. Strummer says:

    Re: UCe’s synopsis of 24CH

    ” 1:12 We see General Manager Marc Bergevin giving his roomfull of scouts their marching orders: “We need to get bigger and harder to play against.” If there was any doubt that the GM, while not directly picking players, influences draft-day decisions, here is another piece of evidence.”

    Now let’s get a UFA- how about Daniel Briere?

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Maybe MB is Bi-Polar?

    • chilli says:

      Briere is simply a two year filler while we wait for the foundation of our future to settle: Gally, Galchy, Price, PK, Max, The Bourne Identity and Tinordi. He was a replacement for Ryder last season. And thank god he didn’t spend 4 years on LeCave.
      The GM is doing a great job. No need to break the bank when we have some big banks to fill next year on our core.. and a core that is still developing.
      Trust your GM.

      Tre

      • db says:

        Agreed, and the GM makes mistakes too… I’m sure he’ll wait to extend the next contract on the table. Unless it’s Eller, resign him to DD money and term right now.

      • HabsFansince49 says:

        At least Ryder scored goals. He may have stunk in the playoffs but you can hardly call Briere “a replacement for Ryder”. Briere is just looking for a soft year in Montreal until he returns with his family to the U.S.
        I am still a Bergevin fan and believe he helps to create a better culture with the Habs, but his signing of Daniel Briere is perplexing.

      • FishOutOfWater says:

        who is the bourne identity ?

        http://945thesmooth.tumblr.com/

      • oldtimerguy says:

        Well said chilli… and when that future foundation settles, I will for one be hoping that we use the now old guys like pleks and gio and moen and markov to trade off for future drafts, prospects, bodies…managing the cap in the next 2-3 yrs is going to be tricky…while filling in the roster with the next wave of prospects like hudon, McCarron, collberg, de la rose, and quite a few more potentials…the future is bright indeed…

    • Timo says:

      LOL, and then he goes and gets Briere? And re-signs Desharnais. Yeah, Habs are definitely bigger and harder to play against.

  27. frontenac1 says:

    Isles up 5-1 after 2.Beware of the Isles of March this year amigos.

  28. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    And add e) none of the above.

  29. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Rephrase the poll question: Which of the four western Canadian teams do you hate least?

  30. HabinBurlington says:

    Wow, what a shot by Sarich! Maybe we jinxed Bernier by proclaiming him the prodigal son for Toronto!!!

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Who would have been better for the Habs? Sarich or Murray? Would have preferred Sarich who’s right-handed…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • SlovakHab says:

        Likewise

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Too bad MB didn’t realize Murray would be injured as you fellows knew he would be. ;-)

        Edit: Also as an aside, Sarich was traded last season to Colorado, he waived his NTC to go to Colorado and is now in the 2nd and final year of the contract he signed with Calgary. How was MB supposed to sign Sarich instead of Murray this past summer?

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Unfortunately our psychic abilities do not work with gambling, lotto or the stock market…

          EDIT: Thanks for the correction…my bad.

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  31. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Watching the Avs and Leafs and scratching my head. Some people don’t like fighting in the game but here’s what drives me crazy about the NHL. Not long ago, having a tip of a toe in the crease was enough to disallow a goal or cause a long standing debate on whether a goal (Brett Hull’s) should have counted. On the first Leaf’s goal, an entire player was in the crease. Yes, he was pushed into the net but not until after he’d skated into the crease on his own. In my humble opinion, a goal like that should not count. Stupid NHL! Doh!

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

    • JohninTruro says:

      How about the part where the goalie had it under him and the player is allowed to spin him around until he is able to push the puck into the net. We see these goals allowed on Price all the time too, doesn’t make sense.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        I think we all prefer clean goals especially when they’re against us. What the NHL needs is a panel of judges to decide if a goal is clean or pretty enough to count. Who’s with me on that? ;)

        There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

      • JF says:

        In a game against Buffalo last year, Budaj had the puck immobilized under his glove. Steve Ott literally dug it out with his stick and put it in the net. Of course, the goal counted, and of course the Sabres won. The exact same thing happened to Price the year before in OT against Pittsburgh. I love hockey, but I’m starting to despise the NHL.

      • slapshot777 says:

        What is even more puzzling the referee is supposed to blow the whistle as soon as he looses sight of the puck. There ws no way he can see the puck under Valharmov and yet he allows the Leaf player to push the goalie until either the goalie ends up in the net or the puck comes clear.

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  32. HabinBurlington says:

    Colorado has some great young forwards, but their defence makes some bad turnovers when pressured. Where have we seen that before?

    • JohninTruro says:

      That was a MacKinnon turnover, he has looked awful in this game. Has at least 4 bad turnovers in the defensive zone.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree and realize that, but just prior to the goal on an earlier rush, as soon as the Colorado team got pinched in their zone trouble ensued.

        • JohninTruro says:

          Right on, didn’t notice that, I thought you were just referencing that goal and thought it was a D-man.

          • piper says:

            You’re right. MacKinnon sure doesn’t look ready for the NHL in this game anyway.

          • JohninTruro says:

            Tough game for him so far, but you have to learn and get used to the speed. NHL forward closed quick on him and he coughed it up. But here he is picking up a second assist. He will be a great player, just a tough night, of many tough nights!

      • oldtimerguy says:

        and he also has 4 pts to start the year…not bad for a rook…

  33. Eddie says:

    Bernier looks wicked good hate to say it.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      No word of a lie, but I was about to post that it appears Toronto has found a true number 1 goalie. Shades of a young Felix Potvin. Good Call Ed! And yah, hate to say or admit it.

    • Habilis says:

      Yep. It’s not fun to type, but he’s looked pretty darn good so far in all his appearances.

      Could be just a case of a hot goalie who’ll cool down as the season progresses. Could be he’s the real deal.

      • Eddie says:

        Unfortunately, I know Bernier back to his Lewiston days; he can flat out play. Good news is Clement Jodoin was his coach in Lewiston so Habs will have a “book” on him.

  34. HabinBurlington says:

    Really the Oilers? How can any Hab fan like the Oilers, do people not remember that brutal 3 game series when Lafleur and company were ousted by the young upstart Oilers?

    (Thanks Jim for your comment regarding this)

  35. Sportfan says:

    With Nathan scored that goal after intercepting Orr would have been funny!

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  36. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Can you imagine if DD gets a hat-trick tomorrow with Timo in the stands…LMFAO!

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  37. JohninTruro says:

    Weird seeing Martin behind the Pens bench. They have only given up 1 goal in two games and a period though!

  38. Bozo McBozo says:

    Randy Carlyle better be ready to get his ass busted. And, I mean literally!

  39. Dunboyne Mike says:

    @SlovakHab

    “if there isn’t much Habs material to read”

    What?!

    (Or are you making a discreet, polite reference to summer threads when we dipped into literary analysis?)

    In seriousness, did you see my earlier post with a link to the Dave Bidini interview? No one who loved Dave Keon — who represents the utmost in class as well as being a great Quebec-born hockey player — could possibly enjoy the existence of a Colton Orr on the Leafs.

    Fair play to you for visiting Leaf blogs — can you recommend any? Are there any like HIO?

    • Lafleurguy says:

      We also mused about pizza joints and whiskeys.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • SlovakHab says:

      Hahaha!!

      On a quiet day with no big Habs news, there isn’t that much to read. I like HIO threads sometimes, but on a quiet day the topics are sometimes ones that I can’t connect with (CFL, Canadian politics or any sport besides hockey..) RE: Books, I actually enjoyed those threads. I like reading (non-fiction).

      Now, leafs. PensionPlanPuppets is one annoying blog when they play Habs or when they are doing well. But at the same time, when the Leafs are not doing well, it’s the place to be for some schadenfreude. I don’t comment or troll, but enjoy scrolling the threads and read about Leafs fans utterly disappointed with their team.
      Some of the best articles of this blog include analysis “Would a potato do a better job than Nonis in the offseason?” (YES!) and their cries after Grabovski was bought out.
      Entertaining reads.

  40. slapshot777 says:

    Any word on Parros?

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  41. Bozo McBozo says:

    Just one of the big bricks along my road to becoming a Habs fan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGjpo8CxqXY

  42. jols101 says:

    Watching this Leafs/Avs game to watch Mackinnon play but I haven’t heard his name yet. Anyone know what # he is wearing?

  43. Mark C says:

    Timmy tea party pulled less than half away through the first.

  44. Un Canadien errant says:

    Bellyfull on the earlier thread surmised that experts would need to be brought in to deal with the House of Representatives over the government shutdown. The thing is, it’s already happened.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/emergency-team-of-8thgrade-civics-teachers-dispatc,21023/

  45. Un Canadien errant says:

    24 CH, 2013-14 season, Episode 1: Notes

    The show starts with P.K., at ease and being himself, talking to the camera. The kid is a star. And maybe I’m dreaming, but it seems to me that the increased confidence from a 2013 season during which he put it all together has him coming off less brash, more self-assured.

    Generally, the narrator’s voice on the French version reminds me of Claude Quenneville. I had to check that it wasn’t him, and it isn’t, the gentleman’s name is Pierre Lebeau.

    1:12 We see General Manager Marc Bergevin giving his roomfull of scouts their marching orders: “We need to get bigger and harder to play against.” If there was any doubt that the GM, while not directly picking players, influences draft-day decisions, here is another piece of evidence.

    1:28 Shot of Alex Belzile filling out paperwork at rookie camp. He was recently cut by the Bulldogs, don’t know what his next step is. He’s the kind of smart, heady player who can actually play, but is displaced from the game by the Colton Orrs and Steve Downies.

    Whenever I rail against the current tide of fighting and SmashUp Derby hockey, I get told that my brand of hockey is not exciting, that physical hockey is what fans are after. The thing is if you remove the John Scotts from the game, you’ll get more skillful, thrilling hockey, but there will still be bodychecking and action, it’ll just be between two hockey players who weigh 190 lbs, instead of two goons who weigh 230 lbs, or Colton Orr trying to remove Tomas Plekanec’s kneecap.

    1:30 Cool shot of Patrice Brisebois giving a hearty welcome greeting and handshake to Mike McCarron. I get the sense that Patrice has met the young man before. It’s great to see a longtime Canadien who never wanted to play elsewhere getting to share his passion for the team and game with the youngsters. We saw during the “Road to the Memorial Cup” documentary how impressed Darren Dietz and Dalton Thrower were with the youngish Player Development Coach, idly wondering whether he could still play based on his skating.

    2:35 Shots of a jacked Michaël Bournival. The kid has packed on the muscle, to the point that I’m almost concerned.

    3:40 Cool shots of the players greeting each other at the start of the main camp. P.K., who’s never met a microphone he didn’t like, riffs on the size of Mike McCarron, while his traps and delts try to Incredible Hulk out of his shirts. All those farmer’s walks did his shoulders some good evidently.

    3:52 The teeny-boppers will swoon over Magnus Nygren when he makes le Grand Club. Used to hate guys like that, never had a chance when they were around.

    4:15 P.K. will be miked up the whole season. He’s gold.

    4:30 Lars Eller’s added size isn’t just fodder on social media, his teammates have noticed too.

    5:40 The team does the old ice-breaker routine of having players introduce themselves to each other, and having a veteran introduce a rookie to the whole group. Carey kills when he’s up introducing Darren Dietz, trying to earn the kid some brownie points, cracking that his favourite player is Marc Bergevin.

    5:53 Morgan Ellis looks like an old-timey villain, or a pirate in black and white movies.

    6:30 Carey Price at the height of his powers, blocking Coach Therrien, feared sniper that he is. I would have gone blocker-side myself.

    6:50 Brendan Gallagher hoisting some serious weight, then doing a funky set of pullups in which he switches between front grip and reverse grip between reps, a plyometric exercise, kind of like handclap pushups. As if pullups weren’t hard enough already.

    7:20 Alex Galchenyuk schooling Brandon Prust on the speed bag. Good to see the rapport between those two.

    8:02 The look on a toddler’s face as he spots P.K. Subban in the receiving line before the pre-season scrimmage and yells out his name is priceless, probably the highlight of the episode for me.

    Some people are quick to dismiss the importance of having local boys on the team, glibly stating that all reporters are bilingual, they can translate from English to French, so what’s the big deal about having francophones on the roster? I say again that the connection between a team and its younger fans is one that can’t be taken for granted. If young Québec fans don’t recognize themselves on the Canadiens roster, and feel that they’re included, they can start to ally with the Flyers with Claude Giroux and Sean Couturier and Vincent Lecavalier, or the Pens with Sidney Crosby, who speaks more than passable French when interviewed on RDS.

    English-speaking fans may not understand this, but for unilingual French-speaking kids, it means so much that your heroes speak to you and make an effort to reach out to you, even if it’s only a few words. As a kid, I knew that the Canadiens were the good guys, in no small part because Ken Dryden, Larry Robinson, Bob Gainey, Murray Wilson and Steve Shutt all would speak French, or try to, in between periods when interviewed by Lionel Duval. The Canadiens were my team because we had Guy Lafleur and Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe and Henri Richard and Jacques Lemaire and Yvan Cournoyer and Mario Tremblay and Yvon Lambert, but also because even the exotic Canadiens, those from other provinces, were our heroes too.

    08:35 Zachary Fucale after the scrimmage, wide-eyed and speechless. That kid is growing on me.

    10:10 P.K. victim of a blatant slew-foot by a dirty Bruin in pre-season action. That has become so common-place that I wonder why there’s a rule against it. The great equalizer for talentless teams who can’t keep up to the play. Despite his protests, the refs claim that P.K. fell of his own accord. Brilliant. P.K. decided to fall, with the puck, at the opposite blue line. The opposite forward ‘checking’ him had nothing to do with it.

    I wonder how Colin Campbell rewards his refs for favouring the Bruins that way. It can’t be anything too blatant like money, although cash is hard to trace. Bonus Air Miles? Free winter tires, installation included? Lenscrafter gift cards?

    10:50 Daniel Brière and David Desharnais convoked to the video room to go over positioning during a defensive zone faceoff. Michel Therrien makes the adjustment right away.

    Last season, we saw Coach Therrien and Coach Daigneault do the same with P.K., between periods. They showed him a sequence, and asked him to in future like instances, make a play for the puck rather than go for the big hit. P.K. understood and reacted well, but I remember someone griping that it was further evidence that P.K. was being discriminated against and humiliated and would leave at the first opportunity. Well now we can put that to bed. The coaches are using a tool at their disposal to provide instant feedback. They’re doing it the right way, by not asking someone to change who he is, but change what he does. You can ask someone to change their behaviour, not their personality. The coaches nail it, there’s no conspiracy.

    11:15 A shirtless Douglas Murray appears. We can also put to bed rumours that he’s not in shape.

    11:40 The conversation between Marc Bergevin and Louis Leblanc, when he learns he’s being sent down to Hamilton. This earned Louis some notoriety, due to his girlfriend having a Twitter account. Anyway, during the meeting, he’s stoic, maybe a little stunned. Marc Bergevin keeps referring to a guy named Sly, and there’s a bald stooge in the room who doesn’t say anything. It took me a while to put 2 and 2 together, and that the bald guy is Sylvain Lefebvre, the Bulldogs coach, that’s the Sly he’s talking about. I still can’t get used to that look, I remember him as a young kid. With hair.

    15:15 Mike McCarron learns he’s being sent down, we see him saying goodbye to some of the Canadiens. He has a very easy-going demeanor. Some have noted his resemblance to the actor Jason Segel, and it’s more than a physical thing, there’s also the big goofy kid attitude as well. After the draft I noted that he would be a good teammate to have, and the way he associates with others tends to confirm that.

    16:00 Good Canadian kid Brandon Prust shows Euro-trash goalie Peter Budaj that soccer ain’t that hard, so why all the fuss?

    16:45 More between-periods video coaching, with Assistant Coach Jean-Jacques Daigneault reaming out the entire defence corps. Andrei Markov, Josh Gorges, they’re all hearing it. Raphaël Diaz is told to put some guys on their cans.

    19:05 Pre-game meeting in the video room. Eager beavers in the front row: Jarred Tinordi, Brendan Gallagher, Nathan Beaulieu (attaboy!), Alex Galchenyuk, Francis Bouillon. Class clowns in the back row: Carey Price, René Bourque, George Parros, Brandon Prust. Daniel Brière and David Desharnais sitting side by side. Freshly shorn Whitey’s taking some time to fully accept his decision, wears a ball cap.

    19:50 Is that Mariepier Morin hosting some kind of media event at the New Forum? They put her to work? Shouldn’t she be focused on keeping Brandon happy, and getting her girlfriends to entice other UFA’s to come here?

    21:30 Cool moment when, while reviewing the George Parros-Colton Orr fight that led to the Canadiens enforcer’s concussion, Marc Bergevin tells a crestfallen Michel Therrien that George is okay. The coach obviously hadn’t been told the news yet, is surprised and asks for more info.

    Really good stuff, good glimpses of life outside the rink for detail-obsessed fans. I sometimes while watching worry that the camera trained on the team will affect their behaviour, maybe deleteriously, but with no evidence to support this notion I’ll take the (potential) bad with this very good.

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  46. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Colton Orr.

    Can be viewed as a Shawn Thornton type (minus the speed and skill-set), ie someone assigned to raise temperatures on the ice. Tough and pugnacious, but not notably dirty.

    Or can be viewed as a Brad Marchand type (minus the speed and skill-set, but three or four times the size), ie someone who acts with a near- sociopathic disregard for player safety and appears intent on causing injury.

    Ok, maybe sociopathic is a bit strong. But in the opinion I have formed of Colton Orr, words like “tough” and “rugged” are euphemisms for dirty, for someone who seeks to injure other players (although I would agree with the poster who argued that this was not the case with the hit on Pacioretty).

    BY THE LEAGUE’S OWN PERVERTED LOGIC, which endorses the intent to injure and shelters those who act on it, the correct way to protect your players from a Colton Orr is not by retaliatory or pre-emptive assaults in kind against star players but by taking down Colton Orr. Not with fisticuffs, not with the code, but by dirty play: with a skate blade, with a stick to the knee, ankle or head, by vicious boarding etc. Strategically, better not to send a valuable player to do this; nor is a big man required, for example, to deliver a tomahawk blow to the achilles. This can be done from behind when he doesn’t see it coming (which constitutes karma), and by someone who could do with a suspension of decent length in order to recover fully from some previous injury.

    The NHL embraces and nurtures this jungle. It would of course sanction such an action against Colton Orr, but it would also approve of it and then wait with intense interest to see what happens next. Meanwhile, a vile and dangerous scum-bag of a hockey player would be hospitalised or forced to retire, and the outcome would be greater safety for other players. One less mugger on the ice.

    I feel sickened writing this and I do NOT endorse such a strategy, not even for the likes of Colton Orr. I am merely pointing out that within league culture it is by no means an outrageous idea but on the contrary falls entirely within the obscene logic of the NHL. How sad is that.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      It’s ok. The deep breathing has helped. I can set off the dishwasher and go to bed now.

      And the kids can all come back into the house.

    • Tyhudg says:

      Colton Orr…..

      I remember when Burke was crying because guys like Orr were going to be out of work…. so much for that.

      Guys like Orr are the problem with the NHL today. Zack Rinaldo(Spelling? I dunno) is another example. They go out there to hurt guys every single night, that is just what they do (Zack of course possessing the skill to do more, Orr probably not) Parros on the other hand is a guy who can only do one thing, but he is not a bad man, and under no circumstance could I see him going after a guy like Gionta for little good reason. McLaren in TO is another guy I kinda feel the same way about(this will not be well received lol) But Orr….. that one is a bad egg. I wish they could vote him off the island.

    • Bill says:

      Orr is a thug and not a real hockey player. I may not like fighting in hockey, but I like dirty players like him even less, and all I can say is that what goes around comes around, and when Colton Orr gets his, I won’t be complaining.

      Actually a post-NHL lifetime of concussion-related physical, psychological, emotional, and substance-abuse problems is no doubt punishment enough.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  47. H.Upmann says:

    Saw a Nordiques jersey on the streets of TO today. Should be a good tilt between Roy’s Avs and the Leafs.

  48. DipsyDoodler says:

    OK I’ll admit it.

    I don’t mind the new jerseys, and the 3rd one (with the horizontal stripe) isn’t bad.

    Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t go out and buy one. I would only ever wear one jersey (guess which one).

    But it isn’t bad and it is certainly better than some of the horrible ones we’ve had in the past.

  49. HabFab says:

    Dave Stubbs –

    Why unpack? #Habs recall defenceman Nathan Beaulieu from #Bulldogs. He’s headed to Calgary

    Note: Makes sense to have backup close at hand playing 3 games in 4 nights with only 6 D.

    • H.Upmann says:

      Beaulieu is going to be awesome real soon. Some real potential D corps shaping up.

      • oldtimerguy says:

        im not convinced yet…..if he gets his attitude in check, he has that chance…but….from things ive read about him, and seen in his play, im not sure the mental side is all there to become the force we all hope for…

  50. frontenac1 says:

    Timo at the Dome for the game? Nice! Take your shirt off and Kick Arse amigo! Let”er rip! Saludos!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Yeah, I remember reading a report last season on the great BC blue line, how Mike Matheson was taking a regular shift as a freshman, and they listed the Top 6, and Colin Sullivan didn’t get a mention, and he was a sophomore. If he’s 9th on the depth chart in his junior year, that’s not great news. Now if he transfers to another school, he has to sit out the year, because the NCAA rules it must be so, to keep the students pure.

  51. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Timo,
    Extremely jealous. 12 rows back!
    Clearly this is an opportunity for you to act as HIO emissary and present a list of instructions, strategies, trades, and ideas which we can all compile in the next 24 hours and which — obviously, owing to the insight nay genius of all of us here — will be hugely superior to what already exists within the club. It is the means to instant triumph, to a new dynasty, to total domination.
    This is your mission. Are you willing?
    (Or if you insist on wearing your MAB sweater, would Mrs Timo be willing?)

  52. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    As I said yesterday, but cant find the post. I am taking my daughters down from Whitehorse to the game in Edmonton. I would love to also watch a practice or some other value added activity with them. Especially since we are probably watching Budaj instead of Price.

    Any suggestions on where the players will be hanging out? Practicing?

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I’d case-out the bowling alleys!
      (perhaps that getting old but it was right there, had to take a swing)

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • formerly known as the hc says:

      Oilers often practice at Millenium Place in Sherwood Park, and sometimes at West Edmonton Mall. Habs… Hard to say. Lots of Habs Fans out here, so there will likely be a bit more hoopla than usual for this time of year. Listen in to “Oilers Now”. It’s between Noon or 12:30 and 2pm on AM 630 CHED. They may have something. There is also AM 1260, which is now TSN. You may catch something on those radio stations.

  53. Habfan10912 says:

    How in the bloody bloomin blazes are the Oilers ahead of the Jets in the poll? We better hope Mrs. Burly never finds out.

  54. Oilrook says:

    Long time reader….first time poster. Have lived in Calgary for 7 years and have never seen Le club du hockey beat the Flames in Calgary. Gonna be at the game of course talking trash the whole time and wearing my Lafleur jersey…..here’s hoping there’s a victory party at the Pint on 17 Ave!!!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Welcome aboard and enjoy the game. The boys haven’t fared well in your City. Perhaps you and our friend Timo will change that tomorrow. CHeers.

    • CoffinJR says:

      Couldnt agree more, last time we came close was when went into the 3rd period up 2-1 back with Kovy. My father and i go whenever they come to Calgary, hoping tomorrow we leave on positive notes

      *Haters Gonna Hate*

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Welcome Oilrook. Post more!

      Owing to a painful and indelible mental image of Lanny McDonald hoisting the Stanley Cup at the Forum, I am never even satisfied with a WIN over the Flames; it always needs to be wholesale slaughter.

  55. naweed235 says:

    Ok I’ll make it interesting here. Who is willing to take me on a bet that DD will finish the season with 20G and 30A or more?

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I’m your Huckleberry. Terms? Though I would e a happy loser if it panned out in your favour

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  56. Dunboyne Mike says:

    (I never give in to the temptation to do this, and I am acutely aware of New Testament references to they who are guiltless casting the first stone, but I am doing it now!

    Stu, that is one ugly mother of a split infinitive!!)

  57. JFriedman says:

    See you at the game tomorrow Timo!

  58. Ian Cobb says:

    TIMO!
    I hope you are going to the game tomorrow night and can give us a very professional update on how you saw the play of our boys. We are depending on an accurate Annalise my friend.!!

  59. Harditya says:

    Hey new thread! I want to say something.. hmm.. Desharnais sucks!!

    • wjc says:

      2 games into the season, me thinks perhaps that some posters suck.

      Complain and bitch, never ending sad sacks with nothing better to do.

      wjc

      • Steven says:

        If everyone who came here agreed and didn’t “complain and bitch” this site would be shut down within a week.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Not on here WJC! Never!
        You must be on the Toronto site!

      • Harditya says:

        Sorry wjc, I was mocking a few posters. :) Though I have nothing positive to say about him either.. he lost weight during the summer so we know he’s trying to perfect his game but it’s a game based on results, and results are what matter. I want to see him succeed. With the Habs.

        • wjc says:

          Two games is too little to expect numbers. He misses the Cole line and has yet to find the net crasher that he can set up. Cole never complained and we know how Patioretty feels about D.D.

          Why not give it a few games and see what transpires. D.D. is a playmaker not a finisher so it may take some time to find the right combination. Don’t forget Therien has a lot at stake to get the team going and will pull the plug if he does not like the effort or what he is seeing……sometimes you need patience and the wisdom to realize that it is in everyones interest for D.D. to get going….but two games is not really a lot of time.

          wjc

      • H.Upmann says:

        never ending sad sacks.. like the moist and leathery types?

  60. SmielmaN says:

    I’m glad Price is starting, my bro and his fam will be there.
    I think I would rest pacioretty tomorrow and try him in Edm. Why risk reinjury so early in the year? I hate that Diaz-Markov pairing. No physicality for a pair that plays a lot. I want to see the Young Guns line keep getting better, and it could happen. Galchenyuk is starting to excel and I think he will get even better! Very exciting to have a player like that on the team.

    • alain58 says:

      As for the Diaz-Markov pairing, I don’t like that either. However, last game, Therrien had an interesting way to use them: Markov was paired with Subban both on the PP and on the PK, Diaz and Markov playing together at 5 on 5.

  61. Lafleurguy says:

    Geez, all the years I was growing up in Edmonton, I thought Calgary folks cheered for the Leafs. The things I’ve learned on HIO……

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  62. rhino514 says:

    The Colton Orrs of this world are a travesty to the game. The only thing a guy like Orr does is fight and injure key players on other teams.
    First Bourque, now Max Pak, and sundry attempts more (i.e. Plekanec last season)
    This should not be condoned by the NHL.
    The leafs have long not been able to compete with us talent-wise. So they “equalize” things by giving their goons (they have not one, not two, but three) an implicit mission to erase our talented players.
    Sure, Max Pack is back, but who knows, the wrist is a tricky thing; he may not be 1005 for a good chunk of the season.
    It´s a sad state of affairs.

    • Sportfan says:

      They also complain the most about the code….

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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That’s how it works. We can either put our heads down, keep getting injured and try and out score them. Or, try to even up the injuries by smoking their players while also trying to out score them. I’ll take the second option, since the NHL won’t put a stop to it.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      To be fair, the hit on Pacioretty was not a dirty one and not even that hard. The fact that it resulted in injury was more freakish than anything.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

      • J Haul says:

        While that may be true in a specific instance the point still stands that there should be no place in the game for talentless meatheads like Orr. He simply doesn’t have the talent to play in the NHL, but he’s allowed to determine outcomes via keep headhunting and injuring guys far more talented than him. It’s bloody ridiculous.

        The games should be decided by skill and talent, not who can get away with the most borderline garbage.

        I’ve been pissed off about Orr in particular for years now. He might not have intentionally INJURED Pacioretty this time, but you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think his intention was to hurt him. That’s his rationale every shift… to hurt guys.

    • wjc says:

      Orr is an effective, tough winger that Canadiens would love to have.

      To attack Orr is to attack Parros. ‘Sad state of affairs’…pure hyperbole. Hockey is a rough sport. Rough stuff sometimes works, sometimes fails. That is the game.

      Tittlly winks might be more your type of game….your turn to tittle.

      wjc

      • JohninTruro says:

        Orr has a history of being a dirty player, I don’t think Parros has that. I don’t like the comparison. There are respectful fighters in the league, Orr isn’t one.

      • PrashadHabs says:

        I would never want Orr on this team. He sucker punches players (Bourque), he punches people while they are on the ice during a fight, and he is usually the first one to throw a punch in a fight too because he can’t fight on an even playing field.

      • SlovakHab says:

        Orr is a pretty crappy hockey player and Leafs fans complain about having him in the lineup a lot.
        They call him a useless facepuncher.
        I read Leafs blogs a lot, because I like the entertainment of disappointed Leafs fans, and if there isn’t much Habs material to read, I learn about conference rivals.
        Trust me, Orr is very unpopular in Toronto. Pretty much like Diaz, Cube or DD here.

  63. Sportfan says:

    Lol Timo you going to yell at MT to get another job :P Or to get MAB back or to tell DD to get lost ? :P

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  64. Sportfan says:

    Wish the game was on tonight, have work the rest of the week :(

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  65. Bogie Man says:

    Any update on Parros, Murray or Emelin?

    • Dr.Rex says:

      As per Eric Engels;
      George Parros remains out indefinitely with post-concussion symptoms, and Doug Murray continues to rehab an upper-body injury. Alexei Emelin has been skating on his own at Brossard, with no update on when he might return.

  66. NoTinFoilCups says:

    With the way Moen has been playing dare I say we finally have an NHL caliber 4th line?

  67. filincal says:

    YES!!! Get to see Carey tomorrow night.

  68. 86ontheice says:

    I’ll be at the game. It is an early start which means an earlier celebration.

  69. yakhab says:

    This tour of the Bell Centre suggested by Ian for $6.00…. scares me
    Gathering all the HIO members for an innocent get together seems … a little wierd.
    It is obvious that after the event there will be a gathering at a local watering hole …. & then…
    A simple, innocent invitation to someones’ hotel room…
    Just a night cap you say ?
    The family is just a front !
    Ever talked Habs in bed BIG GUY !

  70. habberger says:

    Hey Guys – long time lurker – first time poster. Was just thinking regarding all this dd talk… Maybe MB has asked MT to play dd a bit more (and more PP time) in the hopes that he can get going and have some value to be dealt.. otherwise it just doesn’t make sense to me- he is being outplayed.

    • Eddie says:

      Welcome. Good first post. I think the Habs still believe in Desharnais’ talent, and that’s why he continues to be played. All he’s worth on the trade market is a draft pick so we might as well root for him to find his game. Go DD! Or something like that.

  71. Timo says:

    Time to dust off my MAB jersey for the game tomorrow.

    Btw, does tomorrow’s game actually start at 6 pm local? Or the gates open at 6? Seems like an odd time for a game start.

  72. Hockey Bob says:

    Go Habs Go

  73. christophor says:

    all Orr does is injure real players.

  74. Sportfan says:

    Someone should take him out for the rest of the season. Where’s Matt Cooke we can ask him to take another head shot.

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  75. oldtimerguy says:

    agreed 100%..someone needs to take orr out.

  76. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Thanks Sportfan!
    The Readers’ Digest version of my post!

  77. Sportfan says:

    I don’t know if its sarcasm or not :(

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  78. Bigdawg says:

    I can’t believe that.

    If I did that would turn Timo from a cool and hip Eor type person who loves the habs but is forever pessimistic in a funny way to….

    …a fat a lonely Comic Book Guy geek with nothing better to do but spend hours trolling on other team’s sites and possibly as a woman on dating sites too.

  79. oldtimerguy says:

    timo is like the angry far right loon who can’t stand anything Obama(insert DD)….its like the loony left who had bush derangement syndrome…

  80. Dunboyne Mike says:

    No no no!
    You expressed in admirably few words the point which I laboured with many!
    Cheers

    EDIT: also, my long-winded version seems to have scared off all potential response!

  81. Lafleurguy says:

    Dun doesn’t know how to insult anyone, sporty.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  82. Dunboyne Mike says:

    … is an exaggeration! Though well intended. Slainte, Guy.

  83. Lafleurguy says:

    Had fun googling all the Irish salutations the other night.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  84. Sportfan says:

    OH okay just checking some times people are sarcastic sometimes people are just checking, but I did see your post and agree with you.

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  85. Dunboyne Mike says:

    My fault, because I can’t get past my issues with using emoticons!

  86. oldtimerguy says:

    we disagree. :-) im not really sure you have the ability to rate talent…seems paccioretty and brier both like him, along with therrien, and bergevin and a lot of other teammates…you must know more than them…im sure…


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