Price to start for Habs against Wings and Emelin will be back in lineup

The Canadiens, coming off a 5-1 loss to the Penguins Wednesday night in Pittsburgh, practised for about 30 minutes Thursday afternoon in Detroit as they prepare to face the Red Wings Friday night (7:30 p.m., TSN, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

Coach Michel Therrien confirmed that Carey Price, who was pulled against the Penguins, will start in goal and that Alexei Emelin, who was a healthy scratch in Pittsburgh, will be back in the lineup. Emelin was paired with Andrei Markov during Thursday’s practice.

The Canadiens will return home immediately after Friday’s game and will play host to the Washington Capitals Saturday night at the Bell Centre.

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at practice:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Eller-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Briere-Prust
Leblanc-Parros-Bournival-Moen

Gorges-Beaulieu
Markov-Emelin
Murray-Subban
Bouillon-Diaz

(Photo by Justin K. Aller/Getty Images)

Struggling Habs go from hunter to hunted, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Michigan mindset, Canadiens.com

Penguins make it look easy against Habs, by Pat Hickey

A rough night for Habs, by Pat Hickey

Tough night at the office, Canadiens.com

Habs vs. Penguins photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

NHL getting closer to openly gay player, by Pat Hickey

Penguins power play returns to form, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

773 Comments

  1. Tis Himself says:

    The real solution to the Montreal Canadiens’ woes is the return of an NHL franchise in Quebec City that will remove the francophone burden from them so long as it is viable.

  2. Reflektor says:

    4-1 Stars, much analysis to come from the centre of the universe media drones.

  3. monmick says:

    Anyone know whether Denis Savard is still interested in coaching professionally, or whether he was even considered as a potential candidate for the Habs when MT was hired?

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  4. --Habs-- says:

    We need bigger blow horns to wake us up incase we score a goal! Who has the biggest blow horn we can trade for? Give up Bourque for a good one.

    “Habs” Watch and learn….! Or Not!

  5. habstrinifan says:

    OK! I was called to a meeting with my boss and so am late for today’s proceedings.

    And therefore just saw that Subban was called to a meeting with MB.

    Question:
    Considering the present circumstances of the team; considering everything.
    a) Is this a minor thing; a major thing:
    b) Was this to give Subban good news or admonish Subban.
    c) Would this become talking news tommorw with lots of speculation.

    Answers please.

    Edit: Me personally… I am afraid… very afraid.

    • Everything PK is big news in La Belle Province. Most likely just contract talks. If anything else, they better be telling him to go ahead and give Price the low five, maybe that’ll spark the teams emotions!

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

      • habstrinifan says:

        It may be related to contract talks but I dont think it’s in a good way.
        I think it is a very ominous development.
        I may be wrong.. and if I am then I will accept all denunciations and ridicule.

        But if I am right, I would want everyone to stand up and admit my perspicaity…. since everyone else is so quiet.

        Sooner or later details will emerge… these things are never kept 100% behind close doors.

      • ClutchNGrab says:

        I’m pretty sur GMs don’t talk about contract to their player when they have an agent.

    • habcertain says:

      I heard he called Roy to get some advice on edicts.

    • The_Truth says:

      Wasn’t he late for Practice today? Must have been that.

      • habstrinifan says:

        He was late because of the meeting.

        • The_Truth says:

          Ok thanks. Subban has been taking a lot of bad defensive zone penalties lately and hasn’t looked like a superstar Dman the last few weeks. Probably just a little chat to remind him what made him a success earlier this season. MB was a defensman for 20 years, so would make sense. No big deal.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Might be related to the fact that he’s -8 in the last 6 games. Maybe he said something in the room that didn’t sit well with the coach or a teammate. Maybe its contract. Who knows. I wouldn’t get too freaked though. Unless PK wants an ungodly amount of money (I mean like $9-10M/per over 8 years), I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Well do you get any clues.. Subban practising with Murray?

        • Forum Dog says:

          Me, I don’t have a problem with Subban playing with Murray. Some muscle to stay back and let PK roam. They gotta find offense somehow. Like Therrien said, Murray has played with guys like Boyle in the past. Won’t be the first offensive minded guy he’s counter-balanced. Might even be good for him.

          PK is still gonna get his 20+ minutes, and at least 6 of them will be on the PP, where Murray won’t be anywhere in sight.

          Maybe that is what he and MB were talking about.

          • The_Truth says:

            Despite the flack, Murray has actually played quite well the last 2 weeks, in his role. A lot better than Emelin and Markov.

  6. Plekasuares says:

    Any chance we bring Cammy back to Montreal. I know the concussion problems and stuff but he can still score. Offer Bourque ;)

  7. Bring Larry Robinson in. Apologize for being douches and let him slap MT wrists with a ruler at will!

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • frontenac1 says:

      Yeah, dream team behind the bench. Big Bird, Captain Kirk, and Knuckles Nilan. Nice eh?

      • Tis Himself says:

        As Ken Dryden said in The Game, the Habs can be either good or French.

        • HabFab says:

          Man, honest to god but that has been going thru my head all day!

        • slapshot777 says:

          Looks like they prefer to be French and the media is too stupid to realize that the team will never be competitive if it is not allowed to do what it takes to win. Anyone see the Yankees being confined to certain rules to run a team.

          To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

          • ‘Cept the Yankees spend freely with the same kind of rabid market but the’re fans undersand that they can’t afford to lose. I live here and hear it all the time. With the Canadiens, it seems more important now to be political, than win. Major problem, since when I had the privilege of watching Scotty Bowman coach this team, no Pur laine seemed to mind that he didn’t speak French!

            I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

          • Tis Himself says:

            OSB above is spot on! Winning is what matters! All the political BS comes to the forefront when the team doesn’t!

  8. frontenac1 says:

    Islanders 2 Pens2. Laffs 1 Stars 1. And that kid Bieber needs his arse kicked.

  9. Mark C says:

    TSN’s top 50 prospects list is out. So much for Nick Ritchie dropping.

    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9593

  10. zorro says:

    Seems to me we have too many defense men.
    Subban, Markov, Georges, Emelin, Diaz, Murray, Boullion, Beaulieu, Drewiskie, Tinordi, Pateryn
    I hear Edmonton needs defencemen, perhaps its time to un-load.

  11. SteverenO says:

    I am not a doctor, or a coach, and I was not there in person only watched in TV, but it was obvious to me that Markov was Not “right” yesterday.

    On one TV close he looked like rudolph the rednose reindeer and his eyes were red and puffy. He seems to have been suffering from “cold/flu like” symptoms and apparently it slowed him down.

    Players were skating by and past him as if he was stuck in quicksand.

    Unfortunately, MT, who is the coach and was there in person, not only failed to keep him out of the lineup, but actually gave him the most TOI of the whole team.

    Instead of pulling Price after it was 5-1, he should have pulled Markov after the first period when the game was still up for grabs.

    But instead he pairs a useless (on that night) Markov with the rookie Beaulieu and also plays Markov on both the PP and the PK units in the third period AFTER the game was basically over.

    It has become obvious that MT is now coaching to try to preserve his job as long as possible. He is doing everything he can to appease the veterans on the team knowing that the youngsters will never criticize the coach out of fear of being branded “trouble makers.”

    There is no longer any doubt that MT is incompetent as a coach.

    He still doesn’t know which of his players are most effective at killing penalties, which of his many line combos are most effective and productive. He is just as likely to switch lines that are producing as he is to switch ones that are not, and either his assistants are just as bad as he is , or he does not pay them any attention.

    It is terribly frustrating to see him play Eller on the left wing with Plekanec and Gionta, when those two with Briere have been BY FAR our most productive forward line this season.
    Trailing 2-1 in the game he actually had Bourque/Briere/ and Prust as the first wave on the powerplay. Do you think that these three had EVER practiced on the PP together? (it didn’t look like they had).

    Trailing 4-1 and 5-1 he still used Moen when short-handed and also used an obviously struggling Markov to kill penalties.

    Bournival who has played a total of 13 minutes on the PP all season yet has been on the ice for 3 PP goals, is now being used to kill penalties while Bourque who has played 56 minutes with the man advantage and been on for only 5 goals, get some PP time.

    Moen who has been on for a PP goal against every 8 .4 minutes, plays 4:38 on the PK unit , while Gionta (21 mins per PP GA) Pacioretty (23 mins per PPGA) and Eller (17 mins per PPGA) play 1:54,1:28, and 1:24 respectively.

    I will be disappointed, and surprised, if MT is still at the helm one month from now.

    Its not even “fun” anymore to point out all the bad decisions he makes, there are just too many.

    The funniest was hearing him say that the players have to be “more consistent” as if its possible to be consistent when most of them never play with the same linemates three shifts in a row.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • habcertain says:

      I think the debate has been over for awhile, even without the stats to back it up, just watching the games is enough evidence.

    • Mark C says:

      Do you think there is one NHL coach basing his lineup decisions on the stat you use?

      • SteverenO says:

        @ Mark ;

        I believe that there are a number of teams that are extensively using analytics to assist in determining ice time distribution. I can’t say for sure which “stats ” they are using, but it is my opinion that many of the so called “advance stats” such as Fenwick and Corsi are not nearly as useful as the “stats I use” I rely mostly on ‘MPGA , and MPGF ( Minutes of ice time per goal scored and allowed) in different situations, even strength, powerplay, etc. which is really plus/minus with a factor of time built in.

        It is my opinion (particularly on the special teams) that shots, and shot attempts are a meaningless stat. One team could take 8 shots half of them blocked or wide in a 2 minute powerplay and not score, while another could control the puck for 90 seconds take one shot and score. Which would you prefer? The first team would “appear” to be more effective using the “advanced” possession type stats.

        AT even strength one could make a case for “possession” being a better indicator of performance than scoring, but even then, if it is possession that is important why don’t they track actual puck possession?

        The Corsi and Fenwick type stats rate all shots equally, in other words a “dump-in ” from center ice that happens to be on net counts the same as “one-timer” from the slot.

        I am currently working on a project that will actually measure time (and zone) of possession and hope to be able to display those stats by team, individual player and also by line combo and defense pairing before the end of this season.

        regards,

        Steve O.

        • Mark C says:

          I think teams are using stats, but I can’t buy teams using what you use to determine who to play. Your stats are so limited in sample size and offer zero situational context, such as quality of teammates and opponents, zone starts, goalies SH%, what roles they are asked to play etc. A microcosm of this is Bournival and his PP stats. First 3 goals (events) make for a very small sample. While he’s been on the PP the Habs have had a 25% SH%, next highest Hab forward is at 17%. Is this due to Bournival’s skill or just luck due to a small sample? I’ll bet the mortgage on luck. Yet you seem to think the coach is a moron for not playing him.

          • SteverenO says:

            You are right, I think he is a moron for not playing him.

            You’re argument is fallacious.

            He, and most coaches, are certainly NOT capable of factoring in all the “situational context” you mention on the fly and coming out with optimal line combinations without assistance from a very advanced statistical analyst. I hope that you are not saying that every one of MTs line change have come from careful observation of each players performance and a calculated decision process of who each player should play with and against.

            Even if you’re correct and all those situational contextual data that you claim IS important, they would only be useful for DEEPER analysis after the simple and obvious analysis had been performed and acted on.

            For example a player is doing way better or worse than the “norm”. the deeper analysis may be helpful in learning WHY he deviated from the norm, Is he shooting less, or more often, is he missing the net or getting too many shots blocked, etc. If hes not performing well because he is playing against “quality” opposition, then he should be given less responsibility. If he s doing well against “weak” competition , perhaps its time to be given tougher assignments,While the expert analysts are trying to figure out those things the front line management should ALWAYS keep repeating what is working well, and always look to change what it not working. With the Habs and MT in charge this is NOT happening.

            By the was whats been the Habs shooting percentage when Bourque is on the powerplay? Bouillon?

            What is the shooting percent for the team overall?

            How many shots does it take to score a goal on the powerplay or even strength for that matter?

            On the powerplay do you want your players looking to take shots , or looking to score goals?

            I am pretty certain that the team will not continue to score PP at this rate with Bournival on the ice, but do you think it’s probable that since they scored 3 PP goals in his first 13 minutes they are likely to score at least two more PP goals in his next 43 minutes? Because that would equal how many they have scored with Bourque on the ice. They have 2 goals in 50 minutes when Boullion is on the PP. Might it be time to try someone else.

            Why is Markov killing penalties? Is he that much better than the alternatives. Do those PK minutes negatively impact his effectiveness at evens strength? Do you honestly believe that MT is capable of making those decisions based on his “Instinct” and be more accurate than a computer program that measures performance metrics?

            Apparently, I am sad to say, that the HABS upper management believe in MTs prowess.

            My point is that of they like his caching so much why don’t they support him by providing him access to some information/statistics to HELP him make the “right” decisions?

            I would love to see how this team would perform if they simply came up with 4 lines that were “optimized” and stuck with them, making only minor adjustments to try and improve the least effective trios.

            I would love to see how the PP performs if they had the “optimized combinations on the first and second wave.Units that are consistently playing and practicing together, making small changes only, if and when warranted.

            Anything would be better than this total random desperation guesswork
            that attempts every possible combination EXCEPT those that have already had success. ( and by success I mean GOALS not shots and zone starts, and faceoff wins.)

            regards,

            Steve O.

    • Infortunately, MT will be here for the rest of this year and all of next year. I can only hope he will not have his contract renewed after 2014-15. He was brought in ostensibly to groom the youngsters, but has done a miserable job at that, I don’t need to go over it with anyone. Don’t know who’s failings that is, but it’s frankly the teams administration that is at fault.

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  12. Tis Himself says:

    Do any of you guys know when the paper work has to be completed to compete for the Spengler Cup? Habs ain’t gonna win the Stanley anytime soon and I think Geoff Molson needs a Plan B!

    • JUST ME says:

      Yes and right in the middle of plan B you will say he needs a plan C. Cause this is exactly what you are doing now .He is in the middle of plan A but you are asking to go back to the drawing board when the job is not finished yet. Just how long do you think it should take to build a team ? 6 months ? 7 maybe ?

      18 months he has been active as a G.M. with the habs . I suppose that by now he should have won a Cup ?

      There will be no miracle there never is. It takes times ,losses, trials , errors and patience.

      • Tis Himself says:

        Having followed this team since 1971, I have to ask, “Are you remotely serious in your beliefs?”

        • JUST ME says:

          So we have been fans since about the same era ! Do you mean you expected the team to have a cup by now ? You should know better having been through numerous re-building. Not only the Hab`s but other team`s also.

    • GGtheHab says:

      Nice try, but the Spengler was just held at Christmas..maybe you are thing world championships?

  13. Reflektor says:

    PK and Price can’t be blamed for the current slump (team and coaching take the brunt) but they need to amp it up as the Olympics approach. So do the other 6 Habs Olympians (unless they are benched by a non-Sochi coach) and the rest of the team. Hard to figure suck lacklustre, tuned-out play.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Frontenac made a good point this morning, since all 8 Olympians from the Habs were named to their respective countries teams, our team has played real bad.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    TSN mentioned MB had a 1 on 1 meeting with PK this morning and he was late for practise. Nary a mention here yet….

    Edit: Sorry, just noticed Eddie and Naweed brought it up. Nothing to see here, move along.

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    I gotta say, woke up pretty blah about Habs. Just reviewed the posts and Frontenac, wow, your posts brought a great deal of levity.

    However, after most of your recent posts, your love for Crankshaft has me worried bud. We need a walkabout in Montreal soon bud! :) Cheers bud.

  16. CJ says:

    Gotta say, watching the draft review, there are a number of high end prospects, with size, who could seriously help this franchise going forward. If there was any way of prying an extra first round pick or a series of picks, at the expense of Markov and/or other assets, I’d suggest it be given serious consideration.

    Looking back on last year’s draft, Barkov is the kind of talent who can have an immediate impact. I don’t know if there are any Barkov’s in this year’s draft class, but I’d love to hold a few extra picks to help build our depth.

  17. jon514 says:

    Woah… there’s a 6′ 4″ Rugged RW in the draft.
    19. Alex Tuch
    If Bob is right, a first round playoff exit will put us in the right place to draft him. #GLASSHALFFULL!

  18. Kdunc says:

    Here we go again, Price Price Price
    This guy is a great streaky goalie but not anywhere near the talent as ninja. Time for a major overhaul Price included plus MT and MB
    Mr. Molson lets get these guys out of here and start building a real hockey team. Here is my wish list

    1 get Yakapov to play with Gally
    2. Bye to Markov, Gionta and Diaz and Bouque
    3. Sign PK for 9.5 per season he is the real deal
    4. Dump Price for a real center and a draft choice
    5. Bye to MT and MB nice guys but losers
    6. Bring up Tinordi and Patreyn now

    Ole Ole

    KA Duncan

  19. Bripro says:

    Apologies if this has been posted.
    According to Pierre Lebrun on RDS, MB is shopping Bourque.
    It is doubtful there will be too many takers however, given his lack lustre performance.

  20. Steven says:

    I’ve never understood the “plays the wrong side” argument for D-men, and even forwards.

    I’m far from a professional, but if you tell me to play LD or RD I’ll play at the same level(whether that level is up to snuff is another story entirely :) )

    With that in mind, I find it hard to believe that professionals, who have been doing this their entire life, lose their game because they’re playing a different side of the ice.

    Can someone explain this to me?

    (P.S.: If it really is significant, I’d love to see our guys back on their proper side.)

    • Bripro says:

      It does make a difference.
      Positioning, retrieval along the boards, shot alignment…
      They’re all factors that are important and are impacted depending on which side you play on.
      For instance, it would be harder for Markov to serve his one-timer passes on the PP if he was on the right side. (his wrong side)
      Same goes for shots from the point.
      Having to transfer the puck from backhand to forehand will give the defender time to block a shot or rush the shooter.

      • Le Jadester says:

        One could speculate that Stevie Y did that with Team Canada’s D, no ?

        4 righties and 4 lefties ?

        Perhaps I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure I read that somewhere ?

        Habs, OLE !

        • Bripro says:

          Jay Bouwmeester L
          Drew Doughty R
          Duncan Keith L
          Dan Hamhuis L
          Alex Pietrangelo R
          PK Subban R
          Marc-Édouard Vlasic L
          Shea Weber R

          That was Yzerman’s intention.

      • scamorza says:

        hello first time logging in habs fan since 66 and yes alas living in markham north of toronto. No greater joy than reading the toronto star on a sunday after a leafs loss to the habs and nothing more depressing like last sunday. anyway thanks bripro for that utube segment on the brit comedy almost peed in my pants , have enjoyed reading and looking forward to adding my 2 cents

    • Phil C says:

      If you watched 24/7, Randy Carlyle was telling his team to clear the puck out of their zone around the left side, because Detroit has no right handed defensmen, so it will be harder for them to keep the puck in. It is simply harder to hold the blueline and pick pucks off the boards on your backhand. You also are forced to turn your back to the play, which can be dangerous like this:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIcg7E9kqhM

      Here is another article about Washington coach Adam Oates, who hates players on their off wing because it exposes the puck to the middle of the ice causing too many turnovers, among other things.

      http://www.csnwashington.com/hockey-washington-capitals/talk/why-oates-left-right-obsession-makes-sense

    • Steven says:

      Never thought about it that way. Thanks, Bri and Phil :)

    • Mark C says:

      It matters on certain plays, but overall it is something that has been overrated on this site in recent days. Chicago won the Cup with a 4/2 lefty righty mix on D last year, so teams can win without a 50/50 split.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Good point Mark.

        • Mark C says:

          It would be ideal to have 3 of each in the top 6. However, it shouldn’t be a governing factor in personnel decisions, e.g. going forward I wouldn’t want to see Daiz played over Beaulieu, just because is a righty. Or Daiz kept and Beaulieu traded. Having an elite righty in Subban really helps, maybe the Habs like the Blackhawks can get away with only two in the lineup.

      • Phil C says:

        Some players play their entire career on their off wing with great success. Erik Cole is an example. Erik Cole struggled a lot when Edmonton tried to turn him into a LWer.

        If you are taking a player away from his familiar side, I think it can be an issue, like in Emelin’s case.

  21. Eddie says:

    So Subban was called to a meeting with Bergevin today? That’s not normal is it? Does Bergevin often call one on one meetings with players, I have not heard that reported before.

    It’s front page news on RDS.ca, and mentioned below by Naweed.

  22. Sebby says:

    It would be nice if coach could put more than one line together, that’s the same day in an day out.

  23. Blues vs Rags, GO BLUES GO

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  24. Plekasuares says:

    Huh no trades or fires yet! :O lol

  25. habsfanincalgary says:

    I think the frustrating thing about being a Habs fan these past couple of years is that they show signs of brilliance (e.g. hockey played just before the holiday break OR the effort against CHI), but then immediately not showing up for a game or two. It seems like in the month of January, win one, lose one or two, win one, lose won. NO CONSISTENCY! Some observations:

    – Eller’s signs of brilliance at the start of the season has really slowed down.
    – The lethal PP to start the season seems to have been ineffective. The point shots aren’t getting through and the big bodies are not in front of the net (Gally is the only one that gets in front of the net).
    – I feel for Pleks these past few seasons as I’m thinking he must hold some sort of record for most wingers in a season!
    – Is Markov playing hurt? Are PK’s Norris votes going away?
    – Carey stole one of his first games when the team last played in OTT. He needs to do this more often.
    – I look back on the season and the 6-2 win is the only game they’ve played where they have totally ‘managed’ the opposition…

    Can they play a top team in a series and actually come out on the winning side? Their inconsistency this month is a most definite NO! MB has to do something…NOW!

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      ” Carey stole one of his first games when the team last played in OTT. He needs to do this more often.”

      That wasn’t a steal. It was grand larceny. He’s made all sorts of thefts, though.

  26. BigB says:

    My suggestion is for the fans to chill. It’s been a well-known fact our team would suck this year and possibly even next year. By making halfass trades or constant firings/hirings, we only end up being what we’ve been the last 20 years = mediocre at best. Even if we’re super lucky and bring in a Crosby-caliber player our team won’t automatically become a cup contender.

    Maybe we need to suck real bad for a year or two (ie: let the kids play and not sign useless players to long/expensive contracts) while we draft high talent and let them grow into their positions. I wouldn’t call this “tanking” like some of you do, I call it cleaning out our system:

    I’ve been told that if you have a stomach virus, it’s best not to eat anything for a couple days so the bug works its way out. Well, let’s do that! Let’s be patient and unload all the ‘non-great’ contracts while loading up the system with prospects. Yes, I mean let Gio, Marky, Briere, DD, Jorges, etc walk while we integrate a new wave of young talent into the team. At the same time, we as the fans have responsibilities too! I think we need to take a few boxes of chill pill and support the team as it goes through that process. With continuous angry demands to fire this guy or trade that guy we only make beautiful Montreal a place where no good player would want to come to.

    Yes I hurt the same way each of you do when we lose. I am confused just like each of you when we can beat a Chicago team but then lose to a Florida team. I also continuously wonder why we can’t be an elite team instead of just being happy when we occasionally beat a good team. We suck, it’s reality but instead of demanding bandaids let’s find long term solutions no matter how painful they are. And IMHO we should be patient and positive as we clean out our system, establish a strong foundation and then rebuild.

    Habs forever!

    • docketrocket says:

      Nice post.

    • Cal says:

      You are expounding the roto rooter method. May be a valid way to do it.
      If the team was filled with young players, we (the fans) would be more patient. The team isn’t, so we’re not.

    • There is absolutely no fun in chillin!

      However in times like these I take great joy in others pain :lol:

      So bite me with your nice post hahahahha

      Please don’t take me serious, but I do find this team highly comical.

      This will pass and moves will be made, just would like them to happen this week instead of in March. If you want to makes changes, do it now so the team can focus on the next step.

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      • BigB says:

        As a fan, I am absolutely livid with the way this team has been handled. Individually each of our players is probably very talented and good, but we are failing to form a good team while our system sucks a$$. Instead of trying to be an elite team, we’re just happy that we can beat a good team once in awhile. I don’t know, maybe I should be the GM. I might start a campaign. Please vote for me.

        Regarding the moves now or in March, I definitely agree with you.

        Habs forever!

    • habcertain says:

      except we have been “cleaning” out the system since ’95. its a hockey team not the trans-continental pipeline.

    • HardHabits says:

      Your words are sweet music to my ears. I for one am fully on board with such a strategy.

    • chfan4life says:

      Habs fans been chilling for 20 years now. We are so chilled that we have snotcicles hanging from our noses. All Habs fans ask for is a competitive team that gives 110% every night and wear the Habs jersey with pride. Is that too much to ask for?

  27. naweed235 says:

    Has it really been that uneventful that RDS has to write a whole front page article with Subban’s face “Meeting with the GM” saying that he was 10 minutes late to the practice because of it?

  28. adadi says:

    Interesting article on EOTP regarding MT’s performance in
    Pittsburgh before he was fired and his performance so far this year with the Habs.

  29. Storm Man says:

    Could we trade MT for some good vodka ?

  30. habs001 says:

    In my mind there is no way a storied franchise like the Habs should have all four of Murray,Gorges,Cube and Diaz on the team..All 4 would not make weaker European league teams…It is hard enough for top teams to score and they require their D to pinch,be part of the attack and give clearing passes …The Habs D does this on very rare occasions and the truth is the majority of them just cannot do it and when they try they get trapped badly..The forwards are not that great on the team and with no D support it is not a suprise that they will continue to struggle most nights to score 5 on 5…

    • CJ says:

      Good point.

      Conversely, the defence struggles in part because they don’t have support from the forwards.

      We are carrying too many passengers. That, and we are simply too small. Two major deficiencies that are not easy to overcome. When either Price and/or Subban are off their game, it’s lights out.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Yes CJ. We can’t sustain any pressure in the offensive zone and then we get trapped in our own zone cuz the defence is horrid.

        I would attack the problem by fixing things up in our own end first.

        I agree with habs001 that’s it’s a disgrace that we have Bouillon, Diaz, Murray and to a lesser extent Gorges on the club and sometimes all in the lineup at the same time.

        I guess Bergevin thought that Tinordi would be ready and Emelin would be better than he is at this point. We’re pretty much right back to the end of last season and pathetic in front of Price again.

        • johnnylarue says:

          I suspect MB was counting on Davis Drewiske to pick up ~25 mins/game of tough, air-tight hockey.

          Hard for a team to recover when you lose a stud D-man like that in the preseason… or so it would seem.

        • CJ says:

          The way Tinordi played early in preseason I thought he was ready right now. He punched out Tim Gleason and looked poised and confident.

          Not to continue to beat the horse to death, but I agree. Frankie is finished. Murray, Georges and Emelin are all playing out of position (4, instead of 5, or wrong side of the ice). The impact has been substantial.

          Hope the boys can get a win tomorrow and bring at least some momentum back to the Bell Centre Saturday night.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Valid points, but I think you’ll have to move past the “storied franchise” trope if your going to get any enjoyment from this hockey club in the near future. I mean, as mediocre as the club currently is, it’s a far cry from the team this “storied franchise” was icing in the late 90s, early 00s.

      (Even if Lars Eller sometimes reminds me more of Jan Bulis than I’d care to admit…)

  31. jimmy shaker says:

    okay it’s going to take some trades and draft picks, so here we go

    patch/pleks/eberle
    E.Kane/galchenyuk/byfuglien
    Bournival/leblanc/gallagher
    prust/white/tarnasky

    markov/subban
    emelin/wizneiwski
    tinordi/patyrn

    traded…..beaulieu/dd/bourque/gio/briere/gorges/moen/eller and a number 1 pick and 2 number 2’s.

    let go, murray drewiskie, bouillon

    sounds good

    Shaker out!

    • shiram says:

      I’d maybe try to get Brent Burns instead of either Byfuglien or Eberle, if we’re making dream trades.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Sure. Never going to happen though.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • Frozen Village says:

      Here is something better – because all no offense, the only 2 players you mentioned would fetch medium flight talent would be Eller and Beaulieu, Georges a bit. Try this….

      Jagr – Plekanek – Erat
      E.Kane – Eller – Roussel
      Bournival – Chucky – Gally
      Prust – White – Moen
      Leblanc

      Markov – Subban
      Emelin – Enstrom
      Tinordi – Pateryn
      Beaulieu – Murray

      DD and Patchs. Bourque to WPG for Kane and Enstrom (money match and feasible –
      Gio and Collberg for Jagr and a 4rth – feasible
      Briere and a 4rth for Erat – feasible
      Georges to NY for a second and K. Beach
      Diaz to Anahiem for a 3rd.

      Better now – see if MT can coach kids as advertised, and Bergy and the rest of the Chicago brainthrust were just riding high draft picks and fortune.

      More Swedes required for the Lions in Winter

  32. habs001 says:

    Was Emelin not struggling last year before his injury?..AS i recall he was making some of the same errors he is making now…

  33. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m not saying I agree with the Subban-Murray thing. I think what I’m about to say is probably why we suck lately!

    Aside from Subban, Murray has been our best defenceman the last 5 or so games!

    • CJ says:

      A further indictment on the quality of our defence…. I honestly feel like Beaulieu has been our most consistent defencemen over the past two games. Plus two through two games.

      • johnnylarue says:

        Kind of a small miracle considering his repeated deep forays into the O-zone…

        In any case, the skill set he brings to the table makes him a keeper, regardless of his +/-.

        • CJ says:

          True. He has the skill set though to regain position, allowing his to take longer chances. Not unlike what Karlsson does in Ottawa. Not anywhere near that level, but the skill set is comparable. Great skater and great vision. The upside is the fact that he is going to get bigger and has a physical component to his game. He certainly has my attention.

          Maybe I’m just hoping for more then is actually there, but I like the player Nathan can become in another few years.

          • johnnylarue says:

            Yes. He was pegged a “blue chipper” from the get-go, and as far as I can tell there’s nothing in his game to dispel that prognosis. He’s just got some growing up to do.

            Definitely a bright spot in the morass, so to speak.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            LOL, I was like wait a minute…I hope they’re not still talking about Murray?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I don’t see what you see in Murray.

      But yes the problem is only two of our D-men are playing well, the other being Marky in my opinion. After those two it’s pretty much a disaster. When PK and Marky have an off game (as they kind of did last night) …. then the goalie better be ready to see more vulcanized rubber than a product tester at a dildo factory.

  34. johnnylarue says:

    Sooo… Murray with Subban, eh? Cool! 30 minutes of Douglas Murray! Or will it be 15 minutes of Subban?

    I think MT’s iRandomLineGenerator app is in dire need of an update.

  35. CH Marshall says:

    On the thing about a coach being french.. I’m anglo, speak french, lived in MTL for a few years. It would boggle my mind if the coach didn’t speak french in MTL, and I’m sure all of my franco friends would probably eventually rage about it if the team wasn’t winning. It’s just reality. Apart from the cheesy ass handing the torch off to some guy with a french name, I would love it if the team had a few players with some size and scoring ability, and also spoke french etc. (too bad we werent high enough to draft Mantha)

    • Habcouver says:

      If the team is winning, there would be no issue as to who the torch was passed to.

      Waiting patiently for #25

    • shiram says:

      Last few guys that fit that mold did not work out.
      Latendresse, Pouliot…
      Big scoring forwards are rare, to get on that speaks french too, well that would be the jackpot.

      gotta give credit to the team, at least they tried to get those guys.
      And I know Pouliot is not Québecois, but still.

    • johnnylarue says:

      It’s funny how cynical and transparently PR-driven the whole Franco angle has become.

      Is there really any part of The New Reality of Hockey that actually speaks to the French Canadian working class who gave the CH its cultural relevance in the first place? Allow me to doubt that very much.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      True dat. I’m constantly surprised how many posters just don’t understand the connection between Les Habitants and French Canada.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • habsfan0 says:

      The UN hires translators.
      Why can’t the Habs?

      What you’re essentially saying is that,given a choice between a superior,proven coaching candidate,such as Ken Hitchcock,who doesn’t speak French,and a mediocre one who does,like Bonhomme Carnival,the Habs should always opt for the latter.

      It’s exactly that type of thinking which has contributed in no small way to the Habs’ lack of success over the last 20 years.

  36. Habcouver says:

    Was Carey breaking in the Olympic pads yesterday?

    Waiting patiently for #25

  37. AH says:

    I’m a diehard Habs fan since the late 60’s, I’ve been watching these trainwreck/crap games like last night’s faithfully; so for tomorrow Habs are on TSN National and the wife books dinner with friends.

    Do I go for a nice meal or blow the wife off and watch the game, and probably another stinkeroo? Decisions, decisions…

  38. DipsyDoodler says:

    In January 2013 they had the PR torch relay and the 1st player who received it was Brian Gionta. The last guy who got it was Alex Galchenyuk.

    Both Americans.

    Do you see the conspiracy now? Is your blood boiling over the torch ceremony?

    Next year why don’t they just hand it straight to Vladimir Putin?

    Or to Ronald McDonald.

    Or something.

  39. Old Bald Bird says:

    bel33 posted “Subban – Emelin – at least Em can play on the left.”

    Yes. I’ve been thinking that might work. Don’ know why it hasn’t occurred to the brain trust.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Obvious moves generally take 1-2 months longer with Therrien than the avg coach.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  40. habcertain says:

    the time has come to develop 2 top lines that center around Chucky and Eller in the middle, these are the 2 young’uns that have the most promise and whom we should move forward with. we cannot reasonable expect any value in a trade that would supplant that future.

    same goes for the defense, Tinordi/Pateryn/Beaulieu are the future and the time has come to start a transition. I’m hoping this year in an aberration for Emelin.

    that said, Pleks/Markov and to a lesser extent DD (based on recent play) should be shopped around with throw ins like Gio/Gorges/Diaz/Moen to contending teams that are looking for some vets for a deep play off run. hopefully we could secure a couple of promising kids to compliment another high draft pick, assuming we do not fare well. no one will touch Briere but he could center a 3rd line next year and possibly provide some leadership.

    the last piece of course is get rid of MT, and get someone who can relate to younger players and has more development/people skills

  41. Plekasuares says:

    I’m still wondering why Briere got the torch first???

  42. Bripro says:

    @Dunboyne Mike

    “oh Bripro’s general point of view on things….”

    I’m trying to figure out.
    Are you friend or foe?
    Care to clarify?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Bripro?
      Where do I say that?
      I must be losing it, have absolutely no recollection.
      Meantime, totally friend! Totally!
      What did I say?
      My apologies.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Ok I found it.
      It wasn’t me it was Steeltown! Just above your excellent translation into Stockish of “new thread”.
      How could you doubt me? Love your posts!

  43. Chris says:

    I just noticed that the women’s Olympic team just lost 4-2 in a tune-up game against the Midget AAA Calgary Buffaloes. This is a team that is ranked 8th in the Alberta Midget Hockey League, featuring players 16-18 years old that are generally below CHL level (some of the younger guys will go on to play in the WHL, but most won’t). That drops their record to 3-11-4 against Alberta Midget Hockey League teams this year.

    I find it discouraging that the gap remains so painfully large between women’s hockey and men’s hockey. Strength and size is obviously an advantage in hockey, but it is certainly less of an advantage in a non-contact game. The stronger men will typically be a bit faster (men’s world-records in speed skating are about 5.5% – 7% faster than the corresponding records for women at the 500, 1000 and 1500 m distances), and will probably have harder shots.

    With increasing female participation in hockey (driven heavily by cash-strapped rinks pushing the women’s game to make up for falling youth hockey participation rates among boys), I was really expecting to see the calibre of hockey at the national team level for women to take off, but that hasn’t seemed to be the case. Is it coaching? Or is the strength issue really that important to hockey?

    If it is the latter, perhaps I need to re-evaluate my long-held belief that there is too much emphasis on strength by hockey fans.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Huh? What part of Girls Hockey don’t you get?

      • Chris says:

        I’ve played in many a co-ed league over the years, and some of the women were just ridiculously good hockey players. I never played with her, but I did see Cassie Campbell play quite a few games as our undergrads overlapped at the University of Guelph, and she was obviously a very good hockey player.

        I am just somewhat shocked that at the national team level, the gap between the players that make the team and the ones that play in beer league games is so much smaller than the corresponding gap for men.

      • boing007 says:

        Their skate speed.

        Richard R

    • AH says:

      Chris, I’m going to be politcally incorrect here, and maybe a bit chauvinistic, but I could care less about women’s shinny, (I mean hockey); I think it’s a farce and a joke. There is absolutely no competition outside of Canada and the Americans, and when they were looking at pulling it from the Olympics because of no competition I had no problem with it.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Oh c’mon they’re in the Hall of Fame and Paul Henderson isn’t. Isn’t that good enough for you?

        Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • Phil C says:

      I don’t think the result is that surprising. Women have pretty good lower body strength, but men are significantly stronger when it comes to upper body strength, even with age 16-18 boys.

      Women’s hockey has no body checking, but there is definitely a lot of contact. Upper body strength is a huge advantage in puck battles, shooting, and when competing for body position. More lower body strength usually means more speed, and speed is everything in hockey, even small advantages.

      So if one team is winning most of the puck battles, has harder shots, and can skate a little faster, I’ll take that team any day.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You are trying to compare Apples and Oranges. Not sure I see I understand why. Don’t mean this disrespectfully to either gender.

      Perhaps this is why I struggle playing sports Co-ed, be it slopitch, curling etc….

  44. lakechamplain says:

    OK, let’s assume that everything we could say negatively about the Habs after the last month and a half of mediocrity has been said, and all our 2-bit advice about who should get fired, traded, unloaded has been offered, let’s try to find some hope for the future.
    Here’s the link to habseyesontheprize top 25 under 25 as they recently finished 1-5. Take a look and see if you can find some hope for the future and of course offer your two cents worth.
    What I’m hoping for are some forwards that can skate, stickhandle, and shoot to create a presence in the other team’s end. Maybe the best defense isn’t a good offense but it sure helps, and btw is a lot more fun to watch.
    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/habs-top-25-under-25/2014/1/13/5303760/2014-mid-term-habs-top-25-under-25

  45. Scout says:

    Someone go wake-up Bergevin in his office and tell him his team stinks.

  46. GL says:

    MT as a fan here’s the lines I’d like to see:

    Pacioretty Eller Gallagher
    Bourque Plekanec Gionta
    Bournival Briere Leblanc
    Moen Prust Parros

    Regards
    GL

    • jimmy shaker says:

      I’ll armchair too, here goes

      Briere/Pleks/Gionta
      Patch/DD/Bourque or Bournival
      Gally/Eller/Chucky
      Moen/white/prust

      Parros

      Marky/subban
      emelin/diaz
      murray/gorges

      • jimmy shaker says:

        now here’s the current roster I would go with

        Briere/pleks/gio
        Patch/DD/gallagher
        Bourque/eller/Leblanc
        Moen/Prust/bournival

        Marky/subban
        Emelin/Diaz
        Murray/Gorges

        Shaker out!

  47. Forum Dog says:

    Lots of depth issues with this team right now, which are compounded by the fact that pretty much everyone is jumping around from position to position and taking on different roles. It is a straight-up cluster-puck at the moment. They need to define some roles, stick with them, and play with way more edge. Someone said it last night, but Plekanec, Desharnais, Briere and Prust as your 4 centres? C’mon.

    Habs are perilously close to to falling out of third in their division, and once that happens you are fighting with 6 or 7 other teams for that last two spots. Teams like Ottawa, Philly and CBJ are trending up. The Habs are going the other way, and have been for about 1.5 months now (even if it didn’t show in the standings). Since December 10 (their 6-0 loss to LA) they have gone 8W-11L. That is sub-500 for basically 1/4 of the season, which, if continued, leaves them out of the playoffs. Bergevin is a bit handcuffed, but he needs to work those phones and make something happen, even if its just to shock them back to life. I’d love to know what he REALLY thinks about what is happening out there….

  48. shiram says:

    They should change the goal song to Speak English or Die from S.O.D.
    I think the message would be nice, and it’s pretty energetic song, it would sure pump people up.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1kPgtofgow

  49. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    Rretty indifferent about these losses now. A look at our current roster and there are no big surprises. The habs depth is so poor, with the loss of Chucky and White the forward lines are a mess.
    I would have played Emelin and Diaz last night even if they have sucked lately. Roll the dice with the best available i guess.
    Pk and Murray were the only good dmen last night imo. Markov and Gorges were horrible,Boullion is way past due date. Beaulieu had some nice offensive flair but must of fell down 4 times.
    Oh well. I’m still looking forward to the Wings game.

  50. Dunboyne Mike says:

    @CJ.
    Seriously, well handled yesterday.

  51. Maritime Ronn says:

    In the past 42 years, the Habs have had few players that have won The Major NHL Awards – not the newbie ones ( Selke-Masterson as examples).

    Art Ross (leading scorer): Lafleur 1978
    Calder (top rookie) : Dryden 1972
    Norris (top Dman) : Chelios 1989
    Conn Smythe: Roy 1993
    Hart & Vezina ( MVP + best goalie) The almost forgotten Jose Theodore 2002.

    Last year with Subban winning the Norris, only Chelios (1989)… then before him Larry Robinson (1977-1980) had won it since…. along with the older Jacques Laperriere in 1966, or the 3 in a row – or 7 out of 8 years by the absolute Great Doug Harvey from 1955-62. ( Habs Tom John son won it in 1959 to break Harvey’s run)

    Subtracting goalie wins of Major Trophies, it has been 24 years since a Hab won a Major Trophy…until Subban won the Norris last year.

    The question:
    At the opening Home Game this year, why was Danny Briere – a player with NO Habs roots – that shunned the Habs before, passed the Torch instead of PK Subban – a Habs Draft pick and Major Trophy winner that represents all that is good and great about the Habs moving forward?

  52. songles says:

    Can someone explain to me what happened to Subban-Markov being the best pairing in the NHL? I honestly have no idea what happened here. I’ve missed a bunch of games this year, so maybe I missed the exact point where it was decided that they would no longer function as an elite defensive pairing…?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      The problem was while they were the best, the rest were kinda bad. I am hopeful that eventually, the Top 4 is comprised of PK, Markov, Beaulieu and…..?? Gorges? Tinordi?
      I want to see the youth movement after the trade deadline….or before.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • monmick says:

      It wasn’t broken, so someone went ahead and fixed it…

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  53. Big Ted says:

    So Emelin only gets to play the left side in practice on days when he’s being benched? The Markov-Emelin duo is abysmal defensively. Murray makes any pairing he’s on a liability. And the third duo features a rookie playing the wrong side of the ice as well. Tell me, Michel Therrien, which of these pairings do you plan on matching up against the other team’s top lines?

    I’d much rather see

    Emelin-Subban
    Markov-Diaz
    Beaulieu-Gorges

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I posted definitive D pairings a few days ago. The only slight problem with them was PK appearing on each pairing. However, it may be worth trying.

      Is there any way of re-working your line-up with Beaulieu paired with Emelin? Would that be terrible?

      I also wouldn’t mind Beaulieu and PK. Especially if I shelled for a ticket.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I’m with ya. PK can play 60 minutes, no?

      • CJ says:

        It’s totally unconventional, but based on his play these past two games, I’m hard pressed to find a defencemen who has been more consistent then Beaulieu. If anything, I think he has gotten better each period. I also suggested pairing him with PK. Give it a go. At this point, the upside far outweighs the downside IMO.

  54. habsguru says:

    Funny that i was judged as “not a real habs fan” during the language debate, because I compared the English/American coaching staff of the Alouettes to the French/Canadian coach of the Habs…

    Hey Matty, what makes you the super fan, judge and jury?

    History is a very important piece of any passion, and I honor and encourage it. but what the Habs did a century ago isn’t winning a cup in 2014. that is the goal right? a Stanly Cup…

    I would love my son to witness a Cup victory, as I have several times, and celebrate with fans of all languages, as we have taught him not to judge. though you don’t know my first language, I have a feeling you have already assumed.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I agree with you that the Alouettes’ coaching staff issue (non-issue) is pertinent.

      But then again name me the super coach who was available and not hired. And please don’t say Kirk Muller. Dude WAS our asst. coach during the worst wheels falling off the wagon era I’ve ever witnessed (bowling etc …).

      As to what makes Matty a super fan – didn’t he attend a game like 3 days after his wife gave birth.

      That shows dedication if you ask me.

      Temerity too.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hi Guru!

      I’m no superfan, nor judge and jury, and I don’t recall judging you as not a real Habs fan.

      Anyone who takes time out of their days to post on here is certainly pretty serious about the team!!
      (or in Timo’s case, just has some time to kill shooting the sh!t… ;P )

      I haven’t assumed anything about you, bud, all I’m saying is that the importance of the Canadiens to French Quebec goes deeper than their history as a hockey team. It’s not about what they did a century ago; it’s who they represented up until half a century ago.

      Many people still see the Habs as part of Quebec’s cultural heritage, and for them, winning a Stanley Cup isn’t as important as protecting that heritage.

      I’m not saying that it’s right or wrong, I’m just saying that’s how people feel.

      I’m not making any judgements on you Guru.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Really Matty!
        The monumental amount of sh1t shot here cannot possibly all be claimed by Timo!

      • habsguru says:

        understood, thanks

        i believe in equality, and firmly believe in the best person for the job, and searching for the best candidates to find that person. i am in no way saying that MT wasn’t the best at the time, or right now for that matter, but the point of publicly making it abundantly clear, that only a french speaking coach would be considered doesn’t portray the image of equal opportunity.

        and if the attendance 3 days after birth thing is true, hats off. i did the superbowl back to back with my dad, 3 days after my son’s birth, commuting both days back and forth from OTT. common ground…

        cheers, keep the posts coming

    • habcertain says:

      If the Habs were seen to be promoting French coaches throughout their system, I believe the opportunity exists to have an English coach, in the absence of a well qualified nhl caliber coach. Molson needs to step up in the community, and more importantly the French media, to sell the plan if this scenario is present, which currently it appears to be. I don’t believe for a second if a Babcock type coach was available, and brought a winning system to develop talent that fans would give a hoot, most of this is driven by the media because they would have to communicate in English. The harder element is to find a coach who would want to accept those exterior pressures and say/do the right things (i.e.French lessons). If you are a top notch coach in demand why take on the crap that would be hurled here.

      We have seen the enemy, it is us.

  55. DipsyDoodler says:

    Sorry if this is getting boring, but on the other thread Matty says that wanting a French speaking coach is a historical thing and you can’t understand it if you don’t live here.

    Not true.

    It was never an issue until recently.

    In my opinion it’s a made up grievance, one that very few people in Quebec care about.

    If the Habs went about it in a more PR savvy way than Gauthier did (more PR savvy than Gauthier – I know: setting the bar very low) there would be no difficulty appointing a non-French speaking coach (especially if he made some sort of effort).

    Professional complainers (not unlike many members of this site – but I digress) would bitch and moan, and it would mean less than zero.

    Let’s be honest: the coach of the Montreal Canadiens is not a figure of cultural importance in Quebec.

    • shiram says:

      I tend to agree with you, but I’ve told otherwise so many times.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You’re right, but the people who see the Montreal Canadiens as an integral part of Quebec Cultural Heritage do see that as a problem. And there are a hell of a lot of them. Not as many as protested outside the Bell Centre, but lots of fans would rather see a Francophone behind the bench.

      Doesn’t make them right or wrong, mind you.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • JUST ME says:

        I think that Mattyleg is pretty close to the thruth in a sense that it is not only about hockey for quebecers and although some could not care less as long as the team wins even in the french fans , we can discuss the issue until we turn blue it will never ever change .

        I understand how frustrating it is to forget about good candidates and that it does narrow our range but it has been that way for decades now and doubt that it will change during our life time…

  56. Ozmodiar says:

    Well, he’s hoping the benching made Emelin a better person.

    /gulp

  57. Dunboyne Mike says:

    So I missed all but the first last night.

    Can I take it the score tells the story, that the hot team exploited our weaknesses and that there seems to be a kind of quiet resignation on the site today?

    Or did anyone freak out earlier or on the liveblog?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      We were far less outplayed by the Pens than by Ottawa.

      If that’s a comfort.

      • CJ says:

        True. Down 2-1 about five minutes into the second when Gallagher hits the post. He scores it’s tied and who knows how the outcome might have been influenced. Instead, off the post.

        Within five minutes it was 4-1. Malkin owned Markov last night. Price was not as sharp as he’s been, albeit not the reason we lost. PK was off his game. Lots of turnovers at our blue line that allowed Pittsburgh to extend the play in our zone.

        When our best players are not our best players, we seldom win. I believe that was the case last night.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Nice summary CJ. I thought they were sticking around then BANG…5 minutes….game over.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Jack Russell says:

        Thank you, Dipsy, I wondered if anyone else noticed that. The enigma of a team that beats Chigago 2-1, plays their worst game of the year and beats Ottawa 5-4 and last night actually shows some hustle, some energy and gets killed 5-1, is a mystery not easily explained.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Bodhisattva wanted to tune up the little pr#ck Fleury but the Refs stepped in. Slainte amigo!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks guys.
      And am I right about a certain air of fatalism?

  58. bel33 says:

    People may have thrown this out there… but what about:

    Subban – Emelin – at least Em can play on the left.
    Beaulieu – Georges
    Markov – Murray (or anyone) – waste of Markov??? too slow??? Maybe he can make a Komy out of Crankshaft?

    Hell if MT can flip everything around up front… why not in the back as well… just wondering out loud.

  59. JUST ME says:

    Happy that Carey is back in nets as it should. He is not the problem but gets to deal with everything that the defense cannot stop and these days it`s more than he should have to deal with.

    I would like to see my team come out mad ,pissed and unforgiving. It never happens but if i had been on the losing end of a game like yesterday`s or if i was left in the stands or if i felt that enough was enough…So many reasons but my team is made of nice guys and tyou know what we say with nice guys ?…

  60. shiram says:

    Whether you like the coach or not, it seems to me this rotation of players just cannot be good.
    None of those rotating player gets to spend any time in a given position, with a designated partner.

    I hope come next season we have a more definitive idea of who plays where and with whom, and that we can stick with it.

  61. Habit in the west says:

    When can we start friendly wagers on when the clock strikes midnight for Mike T? The vultures are circling. I say it takes 10 days after the Olympics. Share your thoughts. Thanks.

  62. Plekasuares says:

    30 mins? Wow…

  63. Bob_Sacamano says:

    And once again Emelin will play on the right with Markov where he will suck again. Give him a chance to play on the left after 28 bad games on the right? No way. Add Subban – Murray to this bs and it feels like this coach really wants so get fired.

  64. Luke says:

    Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
    Everybody knows that the captain lied
    Everybody got this broken feeling
    Like their father or their dog just died

  65. HabinBurlington says:

    Brooksy with a pretty good explanation of why the Rangers traded Del Zotto and why they acquired Klein.

    http://nypost.com/2014/01/23/trading-del-zotto-fills-a-need-for-rangers/

  66. B says:

    Chicago has 4 players in the top 30 scorers. Without looking, who is the other team with 4 of the top 30 scorers?

    –Go Habs Go!–

  67. twilighthours says:

    Therrien. Deck chairs. Shuffling. Titanic.

  68. HabinBurlington says:

    Hopefully Beaulieu stays in lineup. Also would like to see Leblanc stay in. No reason for Parros against Detroit.

  69. CJ says:

    What’s this business of PK and Murray paired together at practice? Doesn’t seem right, unless I’ve misunderstood something.

  70. Captain aHab says:

    [sarcasm]Well that loss with less than stellar d play will have taught Emelin a lesson he won’t soon forget.[/sarcasm]

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  71. 1010 says:

    Hello. First time number one maybe.

  72. The_Truth says:

    I am pretty sure MB will make some kind of trade, but don’t expect it to make them a contender. Even if they get a Moulson or something, this team is missing too many pieces to win in the Playoffs.

    Unfortunately, it takes time and some luck to build a contender. MB could start by trying to get an O’Reilly, but it will take several years.

  73. PrimeTime says:

    And your expectations were to the Habsburg were going to win the Cup this year?

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    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

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  74. PrimeTime says:

    My expectations were the Habs core young players would improve. I think my expectations are being met. Maybe shelve yours for a few years.

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    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

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  75. CHicoHab says:

    sorry…what were you saying?? I was watching those SEVEN Dallas goals again

    “take your time and hurry up”

  76. The Jackal says:

    Don’t worry, you didn’t miss anything.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  77. The Jackal says:

    What’s the use PrimeTime, comments like these are exactly what your signature refers to.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  78. Cal says:

    Listen to the radio instead.

  79. wjc says:

    Simple, Put a frigging ad in the paper.

    Coach wanted, benefits, good wages,
    Needed self starter to lead a staff of 25 to 30 very independent and elite individuals.
    Must have proven results at a high level, all championship winners will be given priority.

    Must be bilingual, speaking in Russian, Urkrainian, Swedish and different English and French dialecks an asset.
    You will be on a one year trial, if no results are attained you will be spat upon and jeered, no pussies need apply. Must answer many insane questions and every move will be scrutinized and laughed at.

    Results are a must, you will be provided with nice suits and valium to take after games. You will most likeley be fired and you must sign off writing any books about your experiences for 20 years.

    You must enjoy having camera’s pointed at you and people saying you look like a stunned bozo. Must like to travel and deal with spoiled rich boys.

    wjc

  80. shiram says:

    With a garenteed 500k or so salary, yes.

  81. adadi says:

    Everyone knows I really do not like MT but Habs will need interim coach until MB can bring in some more horses. lest, he screw up the new coach.

  82. arcosenate says:

    Chicago Blackhawks.


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