Price sees Stars, Ryder views from upstairs

Guy Carbonneau will go with Carey Price in nets for tonight’s game against the Dallas Stars, the team’s second game in as many nights.

It is the only lineup change for the game, meaning Michael Ryder will watch from the press box for a third consecutive game.

The Canadiens will look to win a road game on Dec. 23 for the first time since 1945. They have gone 17 games without a win when playing on the road on this date. Last season, the Habs dropped a 4-2 decision to the Bruins.

30 Comments

  1. idle says:

    And they are both Human are they not?

  2. Smart Dog says:

    I think you are wrong. And they may whine to Gainey, but if what you say is true there should already be a bidding war. There has not been, and will not be. It’s a free market. If the GM’s thought he was a sure-thing, we’d get a first round draft pick in return. We won’t.

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    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  3. Smart Dog says:

    There’s no reason to hang on to Ryder after this year. We have good depth and a lot of players to develop who need ice time. And Ryder would be a gamble – gambles usually need a fresh start. Even if he went cheap, it’s not worth the time investment. Another team will need him more (a team without depth).

    I do agree with the suggestion below that it takes a great man to be a great coach because they need to mentor these young men into how to be mature professionals and give their all. And Carbo may still be learning. He seems to have the ‘tough love’ side of it down, but I question whether he has the insight it takes. So far this is the area that I rate him most poorly. I do believe he’s a great hockey man. A great “man”… that will take time to assess, but for sure the results on the ice will reflect the truth.

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    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  4. Habs-Kat says:

    Part of me thinks that since Ryder will be a UFA at the end of the year, I’d give him another shot for a smaller salary. This might just be an off-year in a long, consistent career. But the key there is smaller salary. If another team offers him $2 million or more, he can walk.

  5. LTHF says:

    If the stars play tonight like they did against the Flames, it wont be much of a battle unless Price is truly outstanding. Then again I could be wrong , with Ryder out of the lineup, the now high powered offense may get 7 or 8 goals

  6. yukonhab says:

    Should be good battle tonight. Glad to see King Price back between the pipes. Not too sure where i sit with the Ryder situation. I think he has potential to score alot in this league, he just isn’t in the right place at the right time. This Habs team has, and is developing into a highly skilled team and Ryder isn;t in the top 6 for the future. We have to package him and a goalie to get some worth in a possible trade situation, and even throwing in a prospect to sweet’in the deal. Cause sure as s#$%, Gainey is not going to sign him for anymore than 2.5 per yr.

    I hope the best for Ryder, and we can’t be worried he’ll turn into Brett Hull if we trade him like Riberio is doing, cause we are a better team than we will ever be with “little mikey.”

    GO HABS GO!

  7. johnnyhab says:

    It seems the only way Ryder will see any time on the ice is if there is an injury…right now there is no value to Ryder he is an UFA at seasons end and a healthy scratch to boot…so a late round pick at best..I would like the team hang on to him for now. If there is an injury at least he’s a warm body and not a wait and see. But I have been wrong before we will all just have to sit tight and wait to see what is to happen in Habs Land.
    Go Habs Go!

  8. downeast hab says:

    I dont think Ryders value will go down a big lot in the minds of other GMs. They will moan and groan to Gainey that it has gone down to the point where they will aquire his services for little or nothing. But when they shake on the deal, they will walk away with the steel of the season.Dont you think Pittsburg are not scratching their heads on the Recchi move. Rumor has it the coach and Recchi had their differences, and what a deal Atlanta got. So when the christmas hold on trades is over on the 27th or 28th, Ryder should tell them to get off the pot or …., thats enough.

  9. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Price is 20 years old and still has a lot to learn.

    Huet is 32 and a All Star.

  10. habsgod says:

    RYDER I BELIEVE WILL BE TRADED AND SOON HIS PROBLEM IS BECOMING A DISTACTION AND WE NEED TO GET RID OF HIM AND FOCUS ON THE REST OF THE SEASON AND MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!IF NOT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE!!!3 CHANGES INFACT HER THEY ARE:

    1 FIRE ROLLIE MELANSON HE’S A TERRIBLE GOALTENDING COACH,HE ALWAYS HAS THESE GUYS PLAYING ON THERE KNEES!AND IF YOU WATCH MOST OF THE GOALS THAT THEY GIVE UP THEY ARE BAD BECAUSE PRICE AND HUET ARE ON THERE KNEES,IF THEY ARE STANDING UP ON MOST OF THOSE SHOTS THOSE WON’T BE GOALS!!(IT’S TIME TO REHIRE BENOIT ALLARE AS GOALTENDING COACH(COACH PATRICK ROY WHEN HE WAS WITH US)
    2. FIRE BOB GAINEY IF THIS TEAM DOESN’T MAKE IT!HIRE A G.M. THAT’S NOT PASSIVE AND LAID BACK,NOT SCARED TO MAKE A TRADE(IS GAINEY SCARED OF GETTING FLEECED)?
    3. FIRE GUY CARBONNEAU HE’S NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OF COACHING THIS TEAM!TOO MANY GAMES HE HAS THIS TEAM UNINTERESTED IN PLAYING!!HE’S TOO SOFT ON THESE GUYS!IF I WAS COACH AFTER SOME OF THE RECENT PERFORMANCES THES GUYS WOULD BE ON THE ICE AT 6:OO A.M UNTIL 11:00 AND IT WOULD CONTINUE UNTIL THEY GOT OFF OF THEIR ASSES AND SHOWED UP TO PLAY AND START WINNING THOSE GAMES IF NOT IT WOULD BE EARLIER (5:00 A.M.)AND IT WOULD CONTINUE UNTIL THEY WON 8-10 IN A ROW!!THIS IS THE KIND OF HARD ASS COACH WE NEED!!

  11. Ed says:

    RetroMikey, could we have a link for the fact that Julien had problems with Michael in Hamilton. Julien always was one of Ryder’s biggest supporters, & Ryder probably never would have gotten a tryout except for him. Again, I would like some support for your statement. It is the first time that I have ever heard it mentioned.

  12. RetroMikey says:

    As a coach in Hamilton, Claude Julien had problems with Michael and now Guy Carbonneau has problems with Michael. The student, Michael has failed, not the teachers in Claude or Guy!

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  13. nightmare_49 says:

    Sergie K. hasn’t failed after not being liked in Hamilton.

  14. Ian Cobb says:

    Good points in your last 2 posts Mike, Look at a player like Danny Cleary, He was the next Supper star for the NHL. he had a hard time fitting in Chicogo, Edmonton and somewhere else, until he got to Detroit and under Bowmans hand. Best year last year and this year doing just fine. It takes great men to groome players.

  15. idle says:

    How the hell do you know what Carbonneau’s “personal feelings and dislikes’ are? Please Timo. Try this. Make a post without insulting Carbonneau. Just try it out and see how you feel.

  16. ganderhab says:

    Is Tom K. so indispensible to the lineup that he can’t sit for a night to give Ryder a chance to get his legs under him? How will we get value for him in a trade, or better yet get him scoring for us if he never gets some ice? He may be saying the right things to the press, but a friend of mine has talked to him and he wants out now. Even if he scores 25 the rest of the way, he will not re-sign in Montreal. It’s going to be Mickey Ribs all over again, and we don’t have enough good players to keep giving them away.

  17. Macurd says:

    ryder should have been traded this summer when he wouldn’t take 6 million over 3 years. if he thinks he should get a cent more than 2 million, he’s out of his mind and needs to be part of an organization who’s willing to burn the cap space.

    ryders agent is to blame for his slump. hes out to get the most money, not ensure ryder has a comfortable environment to play in. it takes to sides to come to an agreement. gainey can’t be held responsible for not signing ryder long term if he demands more money than he is worth.

  18. gfunkdoc says:

    His value just goes down with each game he plays.

  19. Shiloh says:

    Exactly right – sit Kostopoulos for a game and let Ryder have a chance to break out of his slump.

  20. Yeats says:

    Right now, the only hope in hell that Ryder has of getting back into the lineup is through injuries.

  21. ganderhab says:

    Ryder will be in Columbus or Boston next year.

  22. Smart Dog says:

    Great point Macurd. Sure Ryder had 30 goals, but his plus-minus and skating were fair detractions. Let his agent get him out of his slump… or let MR do it. I’m sure he’ll be given some more games at some point. And good luck to him signing a lucrative contract for next year. On the other hand, Carbs has failed the team too by not getting more out of him. “There are no failed students, just failed teachers.” And with the Ryder situation we all lose.

    ________________________________________________________________
    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  23. RetroMikey says:

    As I have always said even in last season, Michael Ryder can sit all season on the bench and keep his butt warm all winter. It was expected, an overrated sniper. I’ve already given away my McFarlane figurine of him to the Salvation Army. Why is everybody panicking? With the core of young and old on our team, and the chemistry we have, we will get better even without Michael or Steve Begin! Too much listening to the media in Montreal heavily influences the fans. So many teams are on parity with us and that shows you that there is not one dominant team in the NHL and that includes Ottawa or Detroit, which can be beaten. Remember, winning the season title in regular season as points champion does not guarantee you a Cup! As long as we play hard and hustle, game in and out, we will surpise everyone.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  24. Macurd says:

    they had to over pay him or let him walk. that’s why its only a 1 year deal

  25. linp says:

    Ryder is making 2.95 mil this year. That is more than 2 million. The deal was signed before the season. What are you talking about???

  26. Cable Guy says:

    His value couldn’t be any lower than it is now.

  27. The Cat says:

    Great point ganderhab, I too think theres a handful that could have used a benching. If they put Ryder with Kovalev and Plekanec and stick with it for a while, the goals would come a-plenty. Lets face the facts, anyone in Montreal is liable to go into a severe slump with Koivu as their centreman.

  28. nightmare_49 says:

    And Higgins playing with his own puck.

  29. nightmare_49 says:

    Ian – He also stopped partying and got himself in shape. The terrible things you got to do to stay in the NHL.

  30. Ian Cobb says:

    Dreamer_49–He was an awful man for a party for sure, Again poor management to give a kid of 18, 100,000 sighning bonus and a 30,000 truck and him still in junior. That.s a sure recipe for a party and disaster!


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