Preseason wraps up with back-to-back games against Senators

With two exhibition games remaining against the Senators, Wednesday night in Ottawa and Thursday night at the Bell Centre, Michel Therrien is taking two different approaches.

Both games start at 7:30 p.m. and will be on RDS and TSN Radio 690. Mike Boone will make the trip to Ottawa with The Gazette’s Pat Hickey on Wednesday night and will be blogging live during the game on HIO.

On Thursday, the Canadiens coach will give the local fans a chance to see the lineup he expects to use on opening night Oct. 1 against the Toronto Maple Leafs, and that means captain Brian Gionta will make his only preseason appearance that night after recovering from biceps surgery.

For Wednesday’s game, Therrien said he still has some youngsters he wants to look at, but he’s also concerned about not tiring out one of his veterans. Michael Bournival, who is pushing for a job, will probably be in the lineup Wednesday. There might be an opening for the 21-year-old because off-season acquisition George Parros is still recovering from shoulder surgery and is unlikely to be ready for the season opener.

Other players who might get a look Wednesday are Patrick Holland, Nathan Beaulieu, Gabriel Dumont, Magnus Nygren and Christian Thomas. Peter Budaj will get the start in goal.

“It’s important that Peter plays a full game and it will happen tomorrow,” Therrien said.

Tuesday’s practice ended with a lighthearted shootout competition in which assistant coach Gerard Gallant, who scored 211 goals during his NHL career, went top shelf twice to beat Budaj and Carey Price.

You can watch Gallant’s shootout moves by clicking here.

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Briere enjoying spot on power play, by Pat Hickey

Price hoping for consistent season, by Dave Stubbs

24CH returning for a second season, by Brendan Kelly of The Gazette

Power play finally clicks for Canadiens, by Pat Hickey

Price and Brodeur discuss goalie fights, by Dave Stubbs

Pacioretty a difference maker,


  1. Bripro says:

    So now that Bournival is showing just how effective he can be, I would think Ryan White’s on life support.
    Too bad, he has far more heart (lack of talent notwithstanding) than Moen, but they seem to want to live and die with Moen.
    It’s like Nortel and Blackberry stock. Constantly on the decline but you hold onto it expecting an upsurge.

  2. B says:

    Giving another player a “face wash” should be penalized, especially after the whistle.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • krob1000 says:

      Verbal threats and rough housing in general must go as well…and no Mom jokes…none. Why can’t they all just get along? If someone would just invent the force field already we wouldn’t have these problems. Personal bubbles are the way to go…any fool can see it.

    • Bill says:

      I believe it is supposed to be called. The NHL has a lot of rules they don’t feel like enforcing. You can’t run a major league like that and expect it to be a consistently good product.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Dirty looks verging on attempted bullying should receive a game misconduct and not voting NDP should be a lifetime ban. Where is the “roll-eyes” icon?

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  3. sweetmad says:

    Reading through the thread,I have seen how many people point to the poll,for justifying fighting in hockey,how many people actually voted maybe a couple of thousand,what about the millions who didn’t vote because they don’t follow hockey,because of the fighting.

    One little poll, on a team site, does not a majority make,if there was a national poll where everyone voted, I bet the result would be different.

    If I had children here,hockey would not be the game,that I would want them to play or watch.I have a nephew who is really good but his parents won’t allow him to play after midget,in Onterio.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I find the NFL very boring, but I wouldn’t think my opinon on the matter would count because I don’t follow it. Due to its boringness.

      There’s also every chance that I wouldn’t follow it if it were more exciting. I find the CFL more exciting than the NFL, but I don’t follow that.

      People who don’t like hockey’s opinions don’t count.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bill says:

        “People who don’t like hockey’s opinions don’t count” … uh, no. The opinion of someone who doesn’t like hockey is as legitimate as a hockey fan’s. Your experience on HIO should have taught you that there are a lot of hockey fans whose opinions are nearly worthless. And there are a lot of smart non-hockey fans who see the NHL for the clown-league that it is.

        I’m not an NHL fan. I’m a Canadiens fan. I think my opinion on the NHL counts regardless.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Mattyleg says:

          I’m sorry.
          I’m being a bit facetious.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Trisomy 21 says:

          I thought i’d point out, just because I’m a smart ass, that saying “I’m not an NHL fan. I’m a Canadiens fan” is like saying I don’t like dogs, but I love Collies.


          • Mattyleg says:

            I dunno, I’m with Bill on this one.
            I dislike the NHL, the way it is run, its megalomaniacal practices (teams who have been around longer than the NHL ‘belong’ to the NHL as ‘franchises’, and the NHL ‘owns’ the Stanley Cup) and the way it caters to moneymaking to the detriment of the game I’ve always loved.

            I’d support a bunch of teams splitting from the NHL and forming a proper hockey league free of Idiot Bettman.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bill says:

      “What about the millions who didn’t vote because they don’t follow hockey,because of the fighting”: exactly.

      It’s like drawing conclusions from a poll about whether you support the Conservative Party that only polled members of the Conservative Party.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I can’t imagine very many people think “Oh you know, I actually would enjoy the sport of hockey, but I don’t like it overall because they fight.”

        Just don’t see it as being something that will make or break one’s opinion of a sport.

        The national poll thing was attempted before, but what wasn’t considered is that they were asking people who don’t even know what a hockey is. If one doesn’t like sports to begin with, they probably don’t like fighting in sports either.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I know lots of people. I have never, EVER heard anyone say that they don’t watch hockey cause of the fights.
          My Mom hates violence, but LOVES to watch hockey.

          Fighting is a sidebar and does not take away much, if anything, from the game.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Bill says:

          I consider fighting to be part of the general stupidity of the NHL which in its totality could very understandably put people off.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            I agree that there are asepcts of the league that can do that. And I know people who’ve lost interest in the sport because of its politics.

  4. zephyr says:

    imo, i’d like to see fighting instigation punished by a game misconduct. problem is I think stickwork would increase. we’ve already seen plenty of crosschecks & muggings in front of the opposing net after the whistle has blown. the refs don’t call any of that gooning now. nothing will change. the refs are either totally incompetent or else it’s league policy. either one is bad.
    hits to the head or hits on a helpless player, like the nfl, should all be illegal. fines & suspensions.
    but who are we kidding? last playoffs were officiated so poorly that the rules meant nothing. I think it boils down to frontier justice now. u gotta have guys who can retaliate. that means having an enforcer on the ice at virtually all times. murray & tinordi on diff pairings covers a lot of time. putting prust or moen out with gallagher, gionta or briere will help too. we can’t have guys standing around watching our smaller players get rag-dolled. we can’t carry so many smurfs either. gionta looks like the odd man out here for a trade.

  5. Eddie says:

    Hey krob, did you ever think of writing a short email to the Habs customer relations department? If you write a very polite and sincere email you never know what can come of it. Nothing to lose but 10 minutes of your time.

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    Pierre Lebrun on ESPN SportsChat this morning discussing the Habs.

    Question posed to him, what moves should the Habs make this season?
    I know it’s boring and hard for fans to accept but the best possible strategy for Marc Bergevin is to continue to be patient, patient, patient, build this team from the ground up with long-term vision, not give up anything of value in terms of picks and/or top prospects in any trade. Building an organization that can contend year in and year out means having the kind of organizational depth that has to be built up over 3-4 years. If I’m Bergevin, I don’t care what happens this season, I’d keep my focus on the long-term goal. Last year was not realistic, the Habs aren’t really a No. 2 seed, they’re not among the elite teams in this league. They’re not there yet. They’re a bubble team, right in th e middle of the pack, they may make the playoffs, they may not. But the key for the GM is to keep his vision long term

    • commandant says:

      I agree with Lebrun.

      We have solid corner stones in Chucky, Subban, Pacioretty, Price… its building around those now, and continuting to fill in with stop gaps until the rest of the team is ready.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • Cal says:

      Yup. Every time MB repeats his long term vision, the season we’re in suffers. Going to be a long haul unless 5 or 6 players have a career season.

    • Mattyleg says:


      I think I’m in a bit of a feisty mood today, but GAH! those kinds of comments drive me friggin’ nuts.

      This is typical waffle from a talking-head.

      Remember when nobody picked Montreal to do well last year, and we did, and they all backtracked and said that we were ‘overachieving’?? That basically means that the team produced better than ‘experts’ thought they would without putting the owness on the ‘experts’, but rather focusing on the team.

      I would argue that rather than the Habs ‘overachieving’ last year, the ‘experts’ underachieved.

      Listening to Pierre LeFreakinBrun say that last year wasn’t ‘realistic’ gives me the sh!ts, and the concept that there are ‘elite’ teams in the league is pure, unfiltered nonsense.


      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bill says:

        It’s fair to say that there are always teams who are consistent contenders – right now it’s the Hawks, Kings, Penguins, and Bruins – and that right now the Habs aren’t one of those teams.

        Other than that, I agree with you. Over and under-achieving is when your performance doesn’t jibe with a pundit.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

  7. bwoar says:


    Thanks for clarifying your point. As I said, your opening rhetorical device didn’t help you make yourself clear, rather, it came off like someone from the no-fun elite.

    I think the trick for getting rid of goons is already there – call the freakin’ rulebook strictly. Goons (not enforcers, but goons) are the result of an arms race that started a long time ago. Who’s gonna go with the other guy’s enforcer (a Tie Domi, or Darren McCarty), after he’s blasted the 3-4 punks who can’t keep their sticks to themselves or stop hitting from behind or other cheap plays? Solution: The Goon. Ogie Ogilthorpe.

    “Taking liberties” was always part of the game, as was the reaction “enforcers”, but now we need guys who fight THOSE guys. Removing staged fights won’t remove those even-bigger guys diluting the game. The league needs to crack down on the root (the proliferation of cheap shots, stickwork, fights after clean hits, etc.) if it is ever gonna slowly reverse or slow down that arms race. There’s a general lack of respect out there and it’s become worse over the last 20 years.

    Lessen the need for enforcers, and I think you will make the need for someone to fight them less; enforcers should still be hockey players and if the rules were called more strictly, they would have to be. You see more Prusts and Chris Neils and less John Scotts. Still lots of fights, but hockey players fighting, not fighters attempting to play hockey.


    • Mattyleg says:

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m still a member of the no-fun elite… 😉

      I loved the first few years of post-lockout hockey, with a marked decline in the number of brawlers.

      Do you remember hearing that Laviolette had put the Hurricanes under a ban on fighting during the season that they won the Cup?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • bwoar says:

        Those first couple post-lockout years were awesome. Hasn’t been better since. I really do miss that.

        I didn’t realize that the ‘Canes had a fighting ban that year though. Too bad we didn’t send in the goons to clobber them ; -)


    • Strummer says:

      I agree about about calling the rules that are already in place strictly.
      If someone “Takes Liberties” it’s OK as long as it’s NOT a foul. If taking liberties means a thunderous legal check- it’s ALLOWED.

      If the liberties are fouls then call penalties. That will soon put a stop to it.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • bwoar says:

        Liberties are fouls. Butt-ends, hacks, cheap shots into the wall, etc. When they are called penalties, there’s less pressure to ‘enforce’ with fists since the refs are enforcing the rule book.

        Eventually, if nothing stops them, not even penalties, they will be met with violence, but the refs need to do their job first.


  8. boing007 says:

    Some of those 200 players would not be playing on NHL teams if fighting wasn’t so popular. Take Louis Leblanc for example. With new rules about fighting he could be a regular with the Habs and Parros and Murray would end up playing in Europe.

    Richard R

  9. habsguru says:

    good thing Kessel didn’t have a stick when he was picked last at the allstar game, and Ovie took that ridiculous picture. that could have been awesome!!!

  10. montreal ace says:

    Tonight I get to see the bug eyed fat walrus, and his goon Gryba. I still think the Habs would of beat the Sens with a healthy Eller in the lineup. I am also interested in seeing how well Holland plays, as I thought he looked good in his last game.

  11. krob1000 says:

    What is the minimum amount of NHL players the team is forced to ice? Does this even qualify? IF so it must be just barely

    • commandant says:

      I believe it is 8.


      Dressed, so yes they meet the requirement.
      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

      • krob1000 says:

        I feel like an idiot…kids been looking forward to this for weeks…I purposely waited until late in the preseason thinking they would have to at least dress half of an NHL lineup….how to explain this….not sure I can.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Explain it by saying they get to see the future of the Habs. I went to a game this past Saturday. It’s a Habs game and it’s at the Bell Centre (Friday, I hope and not the one in Ottawa).

          I’m not a kid and I can’t help but have a good time there. Damn…some kids love going to a Habs practice…!

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Les-Habitants says:

          The EGG line is going to be given prime minutes, which I think will be in of itself pretty exciting. Remember, that line was our BEST going down the stretch….and while some veterans may hold back, none of them will

  12. Kooch7800 says:

    Who is up for going to the dogs home opener?

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • krob1000 says:

      I am…oh I thought you meant tonights game….missed the “home”

      • Kooch7800 says:

        LOL Sorry brother. I think your tickets to the Dogs vs Ottawa senators will cost a lot more

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • krob1000 says:

          rant removed…
          burly,….that about sums it up..pretty similar scenario. Only saving grace is Galchenyuk and Eller are two household faves

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Understand you scenario Krob. Back in 1983 my Dad broke the bank and took all four of us boys to see the World Champion Sixers play an exhibition basketball game against the Denver Nuggets in Winnipeg. Only one reason my Dad did it, so that his youngest boy (me) could see Dr. J live! Guess what happened, the Doctor didn’t play, they claimed his shoes were forgotten from the game before in Edmonton. My dad went down to the bench and gave the Doctor an earful, until security decided that my Dad was approaching levels of violence.

            You did get screwed, and deserve to be angry. Okay, see, this is when fighting is allowed!!!

            CHeers bud, and very sorry for you getting hosed.

          • Bripro says:

            That’s it? You leave us on a cliff hanger?
            So, did they kick your dad out?
            Did he and Dr. J have it out?
            Did you get an autograph?
            Were you kicked out and told never to come back?
            (That happened to me at my son’s party at McDonalds’ but that’s another story).

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I plan on being there Kooch. Once I get my tix. will let you know.

  13. Caesar says:

    I’ve always thought a way to limit the participation and employment of goons is to return to a full 2min penalty. No return to 5 on 5 after scoring, and apply the rules consistently across the board. Instigator etc.

    • The Cat says:

      Itd be unwatchable, only 5on5 allows intensity to build. Change the equipment (armor) and call LESS penalties. itll take care of itself.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  14. frontenac1 says:

    So,Parros,Prust and Murray are not available for the opener against the Leafs?

  15. HabinBurlington says:

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    So Timo when did you get a job at Outbrain?

  16. commandant says:

    The best argument I’ve ever seen on the fighting debate.

    Quit making excuses for why fighting is necessary in hockey… all of them are straw men.

    If you like fighting, fine, you like fighting, you enjoy it. Nothing against that.

    But quit trying to justify why its “needed” for any reason other than entertainment. Its just not true.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • sweetmad says:

      Wow some one who admits they don’t like fighting from the media,and some one who says hockey doesn’t need it.
      Has it ever occurred to the pro fighters, that there may be even more people who don’t watch hockey because of the fighting,than people who do because of the fighting.

      I know a lot of people who don’t watch hockey any more, because there are too many fights.

      If people want to watch fighting, I suggest that they go to a Mall in Africa some where,I am sure they will see all the fights they want.

      There are no degrees of war,if you are fighting you are at war,there is no entertainment value in that.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I feel that saying “If people want to watch fighting, I suggest that they go to a Mall in Africa some where,I am sure they will see all the fights they want.” is the equivalent to ‘If you don’t like the rough stuff go watch figure skating.’

        • Habsrule1 says:

          The fact is that it’s part of the game. Those who don’t like it, don’t have to watch.
          My Mom loves suspense, but hates violence, so there are some movies and TV shows that she chooses not to watch even though there are elements in it that she likes.

          Everyone has a choice.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Cal says:

        “If people want to watch fighting, I suggest that they go to a Mall in Africa some where,I am sure they will see all the fights they want.”
        This is an example of a bigoted post that MUST be modded. sweetmad, you should know better.

        • Ron says:

          Cal, I just went through the posts today and you know I don’t think she actually knows any better. Hard to think that way but one has to wonder. You don’t use such of an example as she has unless you are bigoted.

  17. ClutchNGrab says:

    As per 98.5Sport, line up tonight:

    Galchenyk – Eller – Gallagher
    Blunden – Dumont – Tarnasky
    Moen – Bournival – White
    Holland – St-Pierre – Thomas

    Diaz – Nygren
    Tinordi – Deitz
    Beaulieu – Pateryn

    Michalek – Da Costa – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Conacher
    Neil – Pageau – Kassian
    Greening – Zibanejad – Condra

    Méthot – Karlsson
    Phillips – Wiercioch
    Claesson – Corvo

  18. Mondou6 says:

    Most fans want to keep fighting in the NHL, but when you watch Olympic hockey, now or in the past great games, did you ever say to yourself, “Ho hum, this sucks. It lacks the excitement of a Canadian goon squaring off against a Russian goon.”

    Or college hockey. Does it suck because there are no fights?

    I just don’t get how fighting supposedly adds all this missing excitement.

    • The Cat says:

      The fact that 2 countries are going at it makes it exciting. And its only exciting when its Canada vs US or Russia.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’d guess it’s because there is already an excitement element because it’s country against country.
      Also, it’s the best of the best. There may be a point in there that if NHL hockey had more skilled players and less average to not great players, fighting would not be as necessary. I like a good fight when the game is a little less than exciting, I guess.
      Honestly, I enjoy the fights, but I doubt I’d like hockey much less without it.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  19. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    While it pains me to side with the Leafs on anything, how Scott wasn’t suspended and Kessel was is beyond belief.

    In a preseason game, a 6’10 goon goes after a star player in the League and there is no ramifications at all, besides a fine to the coach? Ridiculous. Gotta protect the star players

    • adamkennelly says:

      Scott didn’t really “go after him” – he tried to intimidate him and mission accomplished…that whole thing is Carlyle’s fault…for a goon coach of a goon team to say he was trying to pacify the situation is a joke..he didn’t want his $6M man to have to fight Scott – period.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Scott didn’t really do a thing. Think about it. If Scott really wanted to pummel Kessel, he would have. Nobody could have stopped him.
      Kessel protected himself with his stick, which I think was wrong but can understand it. What was not acceptable is the subsequent slash when Scott was engaged with other players. No REAL suspension for that is a joke.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  20. habstrinifan says:

    I know how to stop fighting. Tally all grievances and between periods have your goons in a shootout. No I mean a real shootout!

    Parros already looks kinda like Wyatt Earp, so Habs should do well.

  21. JO says:

    Habs have 4-tough defencemen, couple of scrappers, speed, 90% of the team is still soft/injury prone so if we don’t have good “D” and Goaltending this team won’t be any better than last year.

    we should know by Christmas. Hope it’s positive.

    • commandant says:

      Which guys are injury prone? Please show that its 90%.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • yakhab says:

      First in the division…..I ‘ll take that

    • The Cat says:

      Isnt that in part the fault of the hard glass at the bell centre?

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Would suck not to “do any better than last season”, eh?

      First in the division, second in the conference. Let’s pray we don’t get a repeat of that.

      Ok…we could have done better in the playoffs, but this team was good last season and should be better this season. Young lpayers will hopefully all improve, and that includes PK, Pacioretty, and DD. Our blue line may actually be feared for a change. Some players may think twice when being met with hits from Emelin, PK, Murray and Tinordi. Finally, I’m hoping Price will be better protected with these guys around.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  22. New says:

    You know, if you read the comments, the guys anti-fighting are starting to insult the guys pro-fighting. That is how fights start 😉

    The book already has enough rules in it. The league right now has a lot of players who use their sticks to express their little temper tantrums. Then they sneak away while the remainder of the players grapple.

    The goon type fighting and stick work will stop when the league holds a telephone hearing with the player and his coach, then suspends both for 5 games. After all a coach who can’t control his lineup shouldn’t be there.

    • Forum Dog says:

      I don’t condone stick swinging, but if I’m Phil Kessel and a monster like Scott is coming to rag-doll me, self-preservation might kick in. Let’s not forget that Kessel threw down against a player in his weight class and did alright. I am not a Kessel fan, and I abhor the Leafs, but in my mind Scott was the problem there, not the Leafs response.

      EDIT: The spear and the end was boneheaded and probably deserved a suspension. Still hold that it wouldn’t have gone down that way if Scott had jumped the other teams most skilled player.

  23. yakhab says:

    For or against …
    Fighting exists in hockey of today.
    To send your star player into a potentially dangerous situation means simply……
    U do not care if that player has to endure a difficult situation.
    This is classic Randy Carlyle.
    He is pushing buttons
    Do not be surprised if
    Kessel vs Carlyle
    becomes like…
    Ryan vs Carlyle

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree, I mentioned the other day this situation will not help the Leafs scenario in re-signing Kessel. And perhaps the Leafs already know that Kessel won’t re-sign, so maybe Carlyle is going to force the hand a bit, thus justifying to the Leaf fan base why Kessel gets traded mid-season this year. (My apologies to superkev for discussing something non Hab)

    • habsfor25 says:

      because they can do whatever they want. They’re the leafs.

  24. superkev420 says:

    Ok, so I dont post on here quite often, but i do read and enjoy all your comments. But i have to say, im sick of reading about Kessel playing Luke Skywalker! Since when do we talk about a leafs game for 2 days! I was under the impression that this was a Montreal Canadiens site.

    So how about we talk about line combos again, as you guys always do, or even how our Captain wants to play, but MT and MB said no, to make sure he has healed properly. Anything really, just not 2 days of discussing a stick swing. Oh wait… 2 stick swings, my Apologies.

    And to the rest of you who dont care about the Laffs, and are trying to bring up conversations about something else, I Thank You.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think they should try out Lafleur with that Steve Shutt guy, I think it would work well.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You don’t think that on-ice incidents and their decisions in the NHL affect the Habs?

      Plus, this site is called ‘Hockey Inside/Out’ now, not Habs Inside/Out.

      What do you think about Nashville’s chances this year?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habsrule1 says:

      We’re here to talk hockey.

      Feel free not to join in on the conversation. Most Habs fans are not one dimensional.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • superkev420 says:

        I know were here to talk hockey, and i know its called “Hockey Inside/Out”, and talking about the incident the night it happened and a bit the next day, for those who havent been on the same night is fine. But going on and on and saying the same thing in 3 different threads is getting old.

  25. Mattyleg says:

    So, here’s a question:

    Most posters agree that goons have no place in the NHL; that staged fighting is pointless and a waste of time; and that the addition of violent but unskilled players into the game is further diluting an already watered-down product (30 teams = nearly 200 third- and fourth-liners).

    So what can the NHL do (that is, if they really wanted to do something at all) to take goons out of the game?

    They’ve already tried:
    – No fighting before puck-drop
    – The ‘no-removing-your-helmet’ rule which aimed to expose the ‘punching-somebody-in-the-face-should-be-an-act-of-passion-that-overrules-the-desire-to-protect-one’s-knuckles’ concept, but which was easily skated around by two knuckleheads.

    What else can the NHL do?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • frontenac1 says:

      How do you know most posters want goons(Enforcers) out of hockey? The last poll on HIO showed 2/3 of posters want fighting to remain in the game.

      • Mattyleg says:

        There’s a big difference between wanting to keep fighting in hockey and wanting unskilled brawlers to waste everyone’s time.

        I don’t mind fighting in hockey. It’s a bit anachronistic, but I don’t mind two players who are genuinely pissed at each other throwing down their gloves and going at it.

        What I do mind is two guys who are only there to fight engaging in pointless wrestling matches with each other for the sake of justifying their position on the team.

        A Goon and an Enforcer aren’t the same thing, Front.

        Larry Robinson was an Enforcer but not a Goon.

        An Enforcer is intimidating without having to fight necessarily, and is someone who can actually play hockey.
        A Goon is someone who just fights the other Goon, or the next best thing.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Mustang says:

        Firstly, does the NHL and it’s fans want fighting removed from the game? I think that the answer to that is “no”. The game has been sold for a long time as a very fast game that includes fighting. If fighting is not only allowed, but promoted, it becomes very difficult to get the goons out of the game as each team needs their goon to take on the other team’s goon.

        One way to get goons out of the game is to eliminate fighting, period. But I don’t think that will happen any time soon.

    • Luke says:

      “What else can the NHL do?”

      I can only come up with a couple radical ideas, but they could try and do something they haven’t tried before:

      Consistently enforce the rules as written & be consistent in punishments and suspensions.

      Act like adults and think things through.

      • Mattyleg says:

        But there are no punishments for two meatheads having a staged fight while the real hockey players stand around and watch, and the kids wonder what the hell is going on.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • bwoar says:

      Matty, do not start your arguments with “most posters agree…”. It’s a trick of rhetoric that makes anything that follows subject to skepticism.

      Furthermore, that skepticism is justified, since the poll is almost 2-to-1 in favour of fighting. It would seem that most posters favour keeping fighting in the game and disagree with your first 2 statements.

      I do agree that “the addition of violent but unskilled players into the game is further diluting an already watered-down product”, however, the watering-down of the game is really a convenient side-issue to the one you’re actually pursuing. I’d like to join a discussion on that point that doesn’t involve the word “goon” or “fighting” and see what it brings forth.

      Once your argument devolves into “most posters agree….”, it’s propagandizing nonsense. Fighting is in hockey because people like to watch fighting in hockey. It’s that simple. I can’t stop you guys having your daily group meeting here, but stick with, “Most posters who agree with me agree that….”. I’ll respect an opposing point of view, as long as it doesn’t condescend to pretending it’s the dominant one.


      • Mattyleg says:

        Read my post to Front.
        Nowhere did I say that I wanted to take fighting out of the game.

        Most posters DO agree that staged fighting amongst goons is a waste of everyone’s time, and the game would be a better place without it. If that was gone from the game, there would be no need for goons.

        That is the point that I am pursuing throughout the post, and the mention of the watered-down game is an element of that.

        I never said anything about taking fighting out of the game, as I’m not interested in doing that.

        It’s not like you to miss the point entirely, bwoar.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • JO says:

      I don’t mind fighting between two Dummies it’s entertainment for the fans but leave the skilled players alone!!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Any contact to the head of an opponent is a two minutes penalty. Voluntary contact is a game misconduct, and further infractions mean escalating penalties.


      • Eddie says:

        You might get a lot fights with punching to the stomach, just below the shoulder pads. It would be like grade 3 fights all over again. No punching to the face allowed.

        Since the Swarm is already a grade 3 approach to defence, maybe the Habs would have an advantage in stomach punching as well?

        This could swing the balance of power way over to our side UCE!


        Of course I’m kidding UCE.

  26. PrimeTime says:

    If the Buffalo – Toronto brawl happened to 2 teams from the west the topic would have died after a few posts here. Right now it’s the current news cycle for MTL /TOR centric fans. If it was one of the Gally’s doing the stick swinging many of you would change your position. The NHL isn’t acting biased toward Kessel or Toronto. It’s just an excuse for HIO-ers to yap until the next news cycle.

  27. Un Canadien errant says:

    My take on the fighting issue is linked below:

    The HIO gremlins won’t let it appear on here, probably deciding that it’s too long and uninflammatory.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    • Lafleurguy says:

      relentlessaptitude for balanced analyses

      “Humans and Parrots share the FOX2P gene that allows them to speak. Parrots can’t post (or can they?).”

    • bwoar says:

      Your gentle polemic is a good read, but I have a couple questions:

      1) By introducing modern anger management techniques, aren’t you worried about taking some of the fun spontaneity out of the game? Would those techniques work in the middle of a hockey game?

      2) Whither the “eye of the tiger”, or “seeing red” that I think plenty of old-timers would still admit was and is part of the fabric of contact sports? Would you have this out of the game by having players take timeouts to manage their anger? And isn’t that already served by having a penalty box and officiating (or, realistically, “officiating”?)


  28. port elgin says:

    Last year I was embarrassed as a fan. Every time there was a body and blood on the ice it was a hab player. Trust me that really sinks a team. We have beefed up a bit this year with Parros but I would still have liked to see at least one more bruiser. Like it or not we are still a little small and a little soft, it’s a long season. Let the skilled guys score, and let the tough guys inflict pain. That’s how you win in today’s game.

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting to note that evidently the New York Islanders have massively increased their ticket prices this season, as it is the swan song for Nassau Coliseum.

    For a list showing all the average ticket price increases/decreases here is the link for that.

    • Maritime Ronn says:


      I don’t know how it will be this year, but the Islander tickets last year on Stubhub were all selling below face value.
      A Lower bowl ticket between the blue lines could easily be had for $60-$70.
      The only question was were there any rats under the seats-real rats, not brad marchand.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Cheaper to fly down to Florida and catch 2 Habs games in the sun from Wpg than fly to Montreal and watch the Habs for one. Plus drinks, Hotel are cheaper and its warmmmmmmm.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

      • FB says:

        Two years ago 2 buddies and I flew from Buffalo – Washington. Got a hotel and went to the HABS games. We then flew from Washington to Miami and went to the Habs/Panthers game. Spent a day or two partying it up in Miami. We then drove to Tampa watched another HABS game and stayed on St. Pete’s beach. We then flew from Tampa back to Buffalo.

        Including all hockey tickets (3 games), air fare, hotels and rental cars it was $886.00 each for 6 days.

        Next season 14-15 I’m planning the same thing for the west coast.

        LA – ANA – PHX – SJ. It could probably be done for $1000.

  30. joshua94k says:

    What kind of suspension is for pre-season games… Kessell will not lose his salary and will not miss any regular season. This certainly is no punishment. Many players would love to get out of exhibition games. Kessell was probably scratched for a couple of those pre-season games to rest of the start of the season.

    “I want to kill somebody cutting across the blue line and I want to score the goal and celebrate. And I’ll do it by any means possible to win a hockey game. That’s how I feel playing there (the Bell Centre). I am not sure I have that feeling anywhere else.” – PK Subban

    • The Cat says:

      I dont blame Kessel. I wouldnt mind Desharnais if he did the same. Thats why Kessel didnt get any noteworthy suspension; because what he did was quite understandable.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        No. His first slash was acceptable. The second one was not and merited a suspension.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • The Cat says:

          Thats splitting hairs.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            How is it splitting hairs? Scott was facing the other way when Kessel slashed him the 2nd time.
            There is no way he did not deserve a real suspension…at least 1 or 2 games in the regular season.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Eddie says:

            its splitting hairs because NO SLASH is acceptable. once you allow the 1st slash, you allow all slashes.

          • Just because it’s understandable, doesn’t mean it doesn’t merit a suspension. If a little kid stands up to a bully, that’s fine. But if he gets in a few extra shots after the bully is down for the count — understandable though that is — he’s still in trouble.

            “Until we get an apology we’re not going to win a game. We vow not to win until we get an apology from Bettman.” -Sabre Dixon Ward

          • Mr. Biter says:

            I just find it strange Clarkson gets 10 regular season games while Kessel get’s 3 pre season games suspensions? Also is there not a rule thaty the coach who lets’s his players leave the bench during a fight get ‘s a suspension or fine?

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

  31. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Chris

    You wrote, ” Fighting is absolutely pathetic. It has no role in The Game.”

    The first question you have to ask yourself is that in 2013, “Is NHL hockey actually just a game”….or has it morphed into Big Business that uses the “game of hockey” as a vehicle for its several Billion dollar Entertainment Business where ‘willing’ – not forced, yet willing corporations and individuals purchase tickets/merchandise for their own entertainment?

    Some of us older timers think back to the days when hockey was actually a game to itself, and the players played for the love of the game – and god knows it wasn’t for the money or any type of future security.

    We continue to hope that the same spirit – the actual love of the game, epitomized by the greats such as Richard, Howe, Beliveau, Harvey, Plante, Morenz, Sawchuck, Mikita…..can somehow find its way into the 2013 game.

    Sometimes – many times it does, yet more and more, it does not.

    We cringe when we hear the word “Asset” applied to a player, or when CBA strikes are called because the greed on both sides knows no end.

    Most of us despise the staged fight because that was never part of ‘The Game’, yet we understand that sometimes a spontaneous battle will break out – as that is considered a part of the most fast game on earth where physical contact is involved.

    As consumers, (not fans-ugly word, isn’t it?) we do have choices.
    The NHL/NHLPA has decided fighting is part of the game.
    That is the present day reality.
    We can watch the game, or decide not to.
    We can watch the game and flip the channel when a fight of whatever nature begins, or not watch at all.
    Or we can go to the movies…

    • Lafleurguy says:

      In those “old” days, R., the payscale was way smaller. True, if you made it to the NHL, you would be among the highest paid hockey players but no way could you become a millionaire by only gooning it up.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        agreed boni, yet the ‘business model’ agreed to by the employers and contract employees allows for that where a 3-4 minute a game staged fighter can make between $600K-$1M.
        We can hardly blame the player as he gets paid from revenues generated.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Hey bud!, we should backtrack a bit and post the players who were the best fighters who wore the various jersey numbers. I remember John Ferguson’s, Rick Chartraw’s, Pierre Bouchard’s, but forget guy’s like George Laraque, Aaron Downey, Todd Ewen, and others. I don’t know George Parros’ jersey number. Nick Tarnasky I think wears 72, and Jarred Tinordi now sports 24 instead of 42.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Eddie says:

            Ewen was 36 I believe. Laraque was 27 I think. Downey was 47.

            Fergy does not belong in these conversations. He was a real hockey player who scored 145 goals and over 300 points in 500 NHL games.

  32. John Q Public says:

    It is the way they want it to be.
    If you have a problem with it vote with your dollar.
    It’s the only thing they understand.

    As a watched the last habs game and after a fight the camera peered to the fans who were sitting there very relaxed and applauding.
    I came to this conclusion, it seemed just like what may have gone in the Roman coliseum. Violence as a distraction/entertainment.

    In the end we aren’t going to change it. It’s fixed, manipulated and controlled.

    Like any good addiction this place is hard to kick. 🙂

  33. Eddie says:

    maybe we can’t agree about fighting, but at least we all agree that swinging your stick and spearing have no place in the game.

    • JF says:

      Exactly, which is why the NHL has shot itself in the foot with the Kessel ruling. A meaningless punishment that will cost Kessel and the Leafs nothing and that sends the message that it’s OK to use your stick as a weapon if the situation warrants it – i.e., if you’re being threatened by a bigger player or even if that player just challenges you to a fight.

      Add to this the ridiculous decision on Rolston’s use of his players and you have a mockery of what hockey is supposed to be. The rules are becoming completely meaningless. But this is the direction the League has been taking under Bettman. The latest rulings are only the logical result of the absolute incoherence that has been all Shanahan has achieved as disciplinarian.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hey E., I think calling the Kessel nudge with the stick a “spear” is like calling a face-wash a haymaker punch.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  34. Sportfan says:

    Imagine if Scott Stevens played today, would he be a Hall of Famer with all the different rules and the fact he had a lot of illegal hits during his career?

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      A lot of Scott Stevens hit back then were borderline at best. With the NHL being an old boys club though he would probably still be fine.

      look at the Torres hit on hossa that got him 20 plus games (which I still don’t understand) and compare that to Stevens hitting Kariya
      I understand it is a different time with different rules but I remember watching that hit when it happened thinking it was late.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Mattyleg says:

        Torres is a repeat offender and well-known cheap-shotter.
        Hence the suspension.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Matty, 20 plus games for that hit when much worse hits get 0 is my point. I didn’t really think the torres hit on Hossa was really late. I understand he is a repeat offender but the NHL really will make an example out of a 4th liner and the so called stars will get away with murder.

          It is the same as Chris Pronger who was a massive repeat offender always got off easy. Even stomping on a guys leg in the same year as Chris Simon did but there was a major difference in length of suspension

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Mattyleg says:

            I think it’s fine that 4th-liners get a raw deal. As I said above, there are too many of them in the game anyway.

            I don’t think that stars should get easier treatment, and I have no idea what Pronger had on the NHL (photos of their involvement in Masonic orgies, perhaps) but that guy should have gone down for a long time on numerous occasions.

            But take out the guys that are most likely to do sh!t like that, and the longer the better.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Kooch7800 says:


            different rules def apply to diferent players as seen. Same as Lucic running Miller….he gets nothing and tootoo actually has a hockey play and gets 2 games.

            I also agree to through the book at 4th liners but keep it even across the board and we will see much cleaner hockey.

            They need to have the discipline be done by a neutral third party so the rules can actually be applied properly

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Luke says:

        You don’t understand it because nothing the league does can be understood.

  35. third generation haber says:

    Hab fans ranting endlessly about a leafs game! Gimme a f&#$ing break!

    I’ve yet to read any comments about a far more important matter for OUR team; how did Price play against the devils???

    If u saw the game, please comment!

    j.p. murray

    • port elgin says:

      Stopped every puck that hit him in the chest or pads.

    • Phil C says:

      He was pretty solid, although only saw 21 shots. Both goals were deflections in traffic. New Jersey’s offense is kinda sad.

      Speaking of deflections in traffic, it is something the Habs offense did not do enough last year, too many wide open shots that any beer-league goalie could stop. I noticed Briere has been holding the puck for an extra second before shooting as he waits for traffic to arrive. They need more of that.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I thought Price played pretty well. Seemed in control. 1 goal was a floater that got over him and rolled down his back.

      I have a feeling he’s going to have a great season, with help from a much more physical defense than in the past.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Mattyleg says:

      We talked about that yesterday.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  36. Grimmly says:

    Danny Kristo 0 0 0 -3 0 1 13:22

    Worst on NY last night

  37. port elgin says:

    Kinda sick of listening to you good Samaritans out there. Fighting is part of the game, if you don’t like it turn the channel to Oprah for a few minutes then go back. I bet you won’t. As for Scott going after Kessel.
    GOOD. The Make me laughs got a little taste of their own medicine, looks good on them. And Clarkson is just a dope, so tough that he jumped the boards and then did nothing. I have one wish for opening night.
    That P.K puts Kadri(hold me back lupes) right through the boards head first.

  38. Phil C says:

    So, can we dress Gallant as a shootout specialist?

  39. Chris says:

    Fighting is absolutely pathetic. It has no role in the game, and people who think it serves some sort of “policing” role pretty clearly have some maturity issues. Sorry folks…you don’t just get to punch anybody who does something you don’t like in life. You can’t go out and punch the guy who runs over your brother nor somebody who sexually assaults a friend. I can tell you from personal experience that both of those cases ignite an incandescent rage that vastly trumps anything you run into in a hockey game. Yet society demands that you have some sort of functioning brain above the Cro-Magnon level and that you refrain from surrendering to your base urges to “get even” for transgressions against you, real or perceived.

    I’ve played hockey for years. I’ve been checked from behind into the boards. I’ve had people target my head. I’ve been slashed in places that no sane guy would dream of slashing somebody else. I’ve been speared. I’ve never, ever thrown a punch in a hockey game, probably because I don’t hide behind sport as an excuse to stop behaving like an adult.

    As to the fans who constantly point to fighting as catering to American fans, this belief is almost laughably wrong. Go to a junior hockey game in Canada and watch the crowd when a fight breaks out. Those aren’t American fans that are blood-thirsty, but Canadian fans.

    The game was invented in Canada and it was the Canadians who have developed the game subsequently who ensured that fighting was never taken out of the game. Poll after poll in the United States has shown that more Americans would be open to following hockey if there was no fighting in the game.

    So let’s stop blaming the Americans for this and point the blame where it belongs, here in Canada.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’ll take the blame, as would two thirds of the people on this site! Check the poll. :-).

      I do think some aspects of fighting should be removed though. The reducing the amount of skaters to 17 in a game, that I commented on below, sounds like a good idea.

      • Cal says:

        Players fighting their own battles makes sense in the fishbowl that is a hockey rink. Having designated fighters who can’t play the game (Hi there, Parros et al) diminishes the game.
        Back in the day, Henri Richard would take on all comers and fight his own battles. He didn’t need a talentless hack “defending” him.
        These days, with “players” checking in at 6’4″ and 250 lbs +, it is no longer safe to bare knuckle it. Especially when they think clean checks must be answered with a brawl.

      • Chris says:

        I’ll raise you…throwing a punch is an automatic 5-game suspension. and the team can’t replace a suspended player on the roster. You’ll see very quickly how many fights are staged and not just “heat of the moment” events.

    • The Cat says:

      People not fearing repercussions is exactly whats wrong in todays world. It used to be you had faith that the powers that be would take care of it, but when the faith that it will be taken care isnt there…

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • krob1000 says:

      In a mens league there is no value I agree, in Junior Hockey there should be none I agree, in kids hockey absolutely never. In the NHL? I am not so sure it doesn’t have a place….UNLESS….the NHL were to take a stronger stance in the justice department…ONLY then could it be substituted for. As it stands we can almost all agree the disciplinary process is a joke….controlled by a few players, supported and spun my various media and not a deterrent.

      The whole system is broke and when the amount of money is at stake that is for both players and teams there is always going to be some shady things happening. There is no recourse for career threatening acts….the NHL does nothing repeatedly depending on who you are, the resulting injury, how it affects the bottom line,etc,etc.
      These guys are in an intense battle and fighting will always happen….heck it happens in baseball. Perhaps it should not be a 5 minute major and welcome back anymore…..that would be where to start…baby steps. You fight you get the game, happens in third you get another, you fight a non willing combatant you get more,etc,etc.

      You would still run the risk of retalitatory kneeing, sticking, and dirty hits though….because with what is at stake for these guys they will seek retribution….we can’t really relate. Your example re real life scenarios are very real and hit home BUT….the difference is these guys CAN do something about it…we would go to jail….but these guys have a set of widened boundaries that allow them avenues to retribution. Are those boundaries too broad? If there were nothing it would not be above some organizations to call up an ECHLer to come in and take out a star,etc,etc
      It is not a cut and dry problem and is a riddle that has never been solved. The OHL has taken a baby steps measure in limiting the amount of fights, minor hockey has pretty well eliminated it…..the grass roots changes are being made but it will take time to play out. How it will play out? who knows…but I don’t think they can ever get rid of fighting …….because they can never really get rid of things that are going to happen that guys will believe are worth fighting for. It is a messy, messy situation and not at all like our mens league games or real life….these guys have the means, motive and opportunity to self police within the rules…so it will always occur….and I am not so sure that is all that wrong…not sure it is right either….so I can see the problem…and it is not easy to decide.

      • Chris says:

        Put a former referee or a clean player (Lidstrom, St. Louis, etc.) in charge of discipline, and make the discipline committee separate or arm’s length from both the NHL and NHLPA.

        • krob1000 says:

          NHL will clearly not let anyoen at arms length do anything though…if you look at the the NHL’s suspensions objectively over the last 20 years you would not have a clue what the rules even are. It is not that large of a sample that there should be such huge discrepancies …but there are. The powers that be are the powers that be and they will not let that change. They are their own organziation and as such can make their rules….that is the reality that is faced. The league ikes things as they are and they have the power.
          I had a chat with someone the other day and he wondered what would have happened if Sidney Crosby has not been able to return…and had launched a 500 million dollar lawsuit…himself….how would that have played out? He may very well have won….you start to count how many careers have been ended bythings that are “against rules actions”and it gets messy.
          Concussions have been taken far more seriously since Crosby….now what would have happened if it were Crosby and not Steve Moore who Bertuzzi hit? or Gretzky or Mario, Yzerman,etc?

        • Maritime Ronn says:


          please don’t think or believe Shannahan rules

          The NHL Bylaws are clear
          The Commissioner always has final word.
          The next question becomes:
          Who owns the Commissioner?

          • Chris says:

            I know that he doesn’t…he came out of the gate with some big suspensions, and then the owners quietly reined him in.

            As much as people want to blame Bettman, the owners are the problem. Bettman is their voice, but he only says what he is told.

    • Habs_Norway says:

      Maybe thats why we say that the canadians are the toughest people in the world. Embrace it 🙂
      I wonder what kind of people that answers those polls.
      Whats, and when, wrong with two guys settling a score?
      Some say that “time changes the game” , but theres alot of people that dont want things to change – just “because of time”.

      Who cares about the americans, its a canadian sport and the canadian hockeymarket is way bigger than the one in US.

      Whats next? Handshake for peace? Players lining up like they do when they knock a team out of the play-offs?
      Soon its like soccer.

      Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  40. frontenac1 says:

    Fighting has always been a part of hockey and always will be. The League wants it, the Players want it and the Fans want it. Even HIO wants it by a margin of 2-1 according to the poll on the last thread. Time to move on amigos.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Front, I know you like watching the dustups, and I am not against a fight where in the spirit of the game emotions get the best of players. However, it should be two willing combatants, and not staged.

      There is no reason the league can’t eliminate the goon fighters from the game. I would even be willing to see the instigator rule dropped, as an experiment (if only to prove it means nothing) if that helped eliminate players whose only purpose in the game is that of an enforcer.

      • Phil C says:

        60% of the fights last year were fought by only 8% of the players, or about one or two players per team. If you got rid of goons, you would almost eliminate fighting.

        2/3 of the players last year did not fight at all, not even once. If most of them support fighting, most of them certainly have no personal interest in it, other than having someone else fight your battles for you.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I heard one of the talking heads on the radio suggest that the NHL change the amount of skaters in a game from 18 to 17 to take away jobs from the goons.

      I’d be OK with that, being left with the guys that can actually play hockey and also know how to fight, not simply just fight.

    • Sportfan says:

      I like a good fight in hockey, but I am really fed up with seeing one sided fights where people like Chara can’t handle being hit by Emelin, or brawls breaking out because Drew Doughty had a clean hit on Taylor Hall. It gets boring fast seeing the constant scrums because someone hits another person, that’s where I get tired of fighting in the NHL.

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      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Yes, they should starting giving out 10 minute misconducts, plus the instigator, when someone drops the gloves and starts pounding on someone for delivering a clean hit where there was no penalty.

    • It’s pointless. If everyone could spend one day in my head there would be zero fighting.

      I laugh at fans who cheer on a fight. Obviously they have never been hit in their life or been injured in any way.

      Hockey in 2013 is speed, skill, checking, goals, and saves.

      However I do accept that it’s needed when you got some fool out there headhunting or running ice like he owns it.

      I know I sound hypocritical but have a hard time finding the words and to make my point. You can thank concussions for that.

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    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Hear hear Front!

  41. Lafleurguy says:

    NHL brass got it right at least, that Ron Rolston was culpable of creating a volatile situration. If he had a pit bull, he could release it on some teenagers trespassing on his lawn. It’s laughable that Clarkson (indisputably) was judged by a harsh, set rule, whereas the guy intent on giving some Leaf (not necessarily his first target Kessel) an Emelin or DiPietro facial makeover got away Scott free.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So does this mean that every time a larger sized player who mentions he may beat the tar out of a player and gets a shift, the coach will be fined? If so, I am guessing a great deal of coaches will get fined this year. I am pretty sure virtually every NHL game a player mentions words to the effect of I am gonna hurt you. Particularly, the Orr’s, Parros, Scott variety.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Maybe only if the weight disparity is greater than 60 to 70 pounds. Remember “bounty-gate?”

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Eddie says:

        And I think in the previous fight a Sabre had his head cracked against the ice did he not? The league allows fighting. Scott is a member of the league, of the union, equal to Kessel or any other scorer. Scott makes his living being sent out to intimidate and to fight in a league that encourages intimidation and permits fighting.

  42. Ian Cobb says:

    Good morning!!
    Six days to go boys and girls!

  43. mksness says:

    and this is why you should take fighting our of the NHL….

    the scott thing is really bullying when you think about it. big guy sent out to pick on the small kid and everyone here is bashing the league for their stance for putting the blame on buffalo.

    All this talk of a stick being a weapon…. but 2 fists and god knows how much force behind them aren’t weapons or maybe just legal weapons.

    There is a fight now after every clean hit and almost after every whistle now a days. NHL is going to have to place something in place to eliminate guys jumping players, maybe team fines, player ejection and 5 minute majors…. it’s getting rediculous

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Who had the last line change?

      Scott was on the ice when Carlyle sent out Kessel opposite him.
      Rest assured that if Carlyle had access to Orr/McLaren, they would have been on the ice.
      Carlyle was a total hypocrite pretending to take the high road.

      Carlyle thinks the road to the Cup is built with goons as what he had access to back when Anaheim won the Cup in 2007.

      Yes, he had tough guys like Shane O’Brien, Parros, Thornton, and Moen (he was back then…), yet what he seems to forget is that he had incredible talent in JS Giguere in nets, Selanne-Getzlaf-Kunitz- Perry-McDonald and Penner scoring goals and the big duo of Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger in their primes taking care of the back end along with Francois Beauchemin…and no, Phaneuf and Gunnerson are no Scott Niedermayer/Chris Pronger.

      The best thing that can happen to hockey would be for the Leafs not to make the playoffs which may somehow deflate the Arms Buildup going on.
      Toronto – not Boston, is responsible for that.

  44. Roy_s_WINK says:

    I seriously do NOT RELATE to ANY of your views on fighting in the NHL.

    How are you guys real hockey fans? Where were you raised?

    The SOFT and pathetically nerfed-game you are all describing in no way makes me interested at all.

    Hockey needs fighting. If you don’t like it — get your Blue Jay season tickets for $2.00


    • Cal says:

      Hockey USED to need fighting. Every other team sport has moved away from it, so why shouldn’t hockey follow suit?
      The game has degenerated so much that clean body checks are no longer allowed by the goons on the ice.
      Do you really want to see idiots like Scott going after midgets like Kessel?

      • Habs_Norway says:

        Actually, the KHL just went for 5min instead of Game Misc.
        And correct me if im wrong, but ive read that its the same rules regarding fighting in the NHL as in canadian lacrosse?

        Countries are now “legalizing” MMA, and here we want to take away a hockeyfight? Two guys on skates, i mean, how often do we see a knock-out ? It happened in the Leafs game, but maybe under 5 times a season?
        Theres the pain.
        Dont think Lucic or riz-something got bruised up after they exchanged 50 blows?

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • Bash says:

      I’m with you man! To hell with the World Juniors. World Championships and that sissy Olympic stuff masquerading as real hockey. And we all know that the whole “concussions from head impact” stuff is nothing more than whining from Mommy’s boys.

      “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • mksness says:

      i don’t go to hockey games hoping to see a fight. fighting in the nhll is grown men acting like babies. be a man and take a clean hit already

    • Marc10 says:

      It’s the hidden cost of concussions and painkiller abuse that’s turned me off. And the guys are simply getting too strong and big for this not to end badly… Sorry guy. It’s got to go.

      But we can keep the highlight reel goals and last minute dramatics. That should be more than enough. For everything else, there’s the UFC.

    • The Jackal says:

      #GoBuyUFCTix brah, fighting is done, it won’t be part of hockey in the near future.

      Like someone said here yesterday, in organized fighting there is a controlled environment that is closely regulated, but in hockey, a guy that has 100 pounds on his opponent is free to beat him down with his bare knuckles. That’s not necessary nor entertaining, it is dangerous. Even goons are hurt by these practices. They are forced to fight and have to go from 0 to 100 every time they get the call, they don’t even want to be fighting but it’s the only way they can be in the NHL, so they do it.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      So u saying it okay to cross check Gallagher 2 or 3 time after the whistle like last in the playoff

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Hey Winky, you ask where people were raised, yet you sound like an American fringe fan who doesn’t understand the game and can only get excited about a fight.

      Like Marc says, the game is changing. Evolving. Don’t be afraid of change.

      • The Jackal says:

        Lol yeah that where were you raised bit was a little over the top, I just ignored it.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • scavanau says:

        I believe I understand what your comment means and unless you live on a separate continent, we’re all Americans.

      • Habs_Norway says:

        When is it gonna stop?
        Or what does it take for you to say “no, i dont want it” ? (the change)
        Reminds me of the poem “first they came”.
        Personally, i think the “tucked jersey”-rule is so dumb and retarded that im scared for the future.
        Soon open ice hits will be frowned upon. Like in Europe..

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Out of curiosity, can you please provide the link where I can order Blue Jay Season Tickets for $2.00? I am not so interested in seeing the Jays, but the teams coming into town to play them. Sounds like a great deal, thanks!

    • Phil C says:

      “The SOFT and pathetically nerfed-game you are all describing in no way makes me interested at all.”

      I am sad for you that you don’t see the inherent beauty in hockey.

      (I still can’t figure out how Malkin did it in number 6 below. It’s like he was one of the X-Men and disappeared for a second, then reappeared on the other side of the defenders.)

  45. Habfan10912 says:

    Yesterday I made a typo. Now most of you know that I do that very often. What made yesterdays different was I never saw it to edit it and it produced a swear word. I’d like to apologize. You see when I type o it sometimes types I. So my shot blocker post became, oh well, you get the picture. I have the same issues with h and g and …………

  46. JohnBellyful says:

    Kessel would not wrestle the gnu* it is true
    Instead he whacked the wacko, using lumber to encumber

    *gnu = wildebeest

  47. Maritime Ronn says:

    Quote: … I’m actually surprised he didn’t whack him a little higher,” said Kadri.

    That quote, by the Colty Orr protected poltroon, was in reference to the double Tomahawk and spear/attempted spear by Kessel.

    What, may I ask, is The Game coming to?
    What is the new message, now CLEARLY sent, to any player “feeling” in a vulnerable position?

    The Kessel non regular season suspension?
    This tweet captured it as no other:
    ” ‏The @nhl suspension to Kessel amounts to grounding your child but letting them play video games all day.”

    For the first time in a long time, I fear for the game itself – not the idiots running the NHL or the cowardly NHLPA membership, but for the Game itself.

    Here is the Message:
    The Kessel Jurisprudence has been set:
    If a player himself ever feels in a vulnerable position from a bigger man, he has the right to use his stick as a weapon not once, not twice, yet 3 times with ZERO disciplinary repercussions.

    So let’s fast forward to the next Habs/Bruins game.

    Small stature Marchand is coming down the wing, and larger bruising Subban lines him up for the big across the ice hit he is known for.
    Marchand puts on the brakes – Tomahawk’s Subban not once, but twice, then spears or attempts to spear Subban.

    At the Discipline Hearing, the Marchand reps claim that their client felt vulnerable to injury as did Kessel, therefore the double Tomahawk and spear were warranted.

    Brendan Shannahan – who is really Colin Campbell dressed up in a Shannahan mask, (no one has ever seen the both of them together) rules that Marchand will be suspended…. for 3 exhibition games next season.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      I’d have no problem with Marchand being suspended for three games — preferably by the thumbs.

    • Cal says:

      Only a Hogtown player could get away with this kind of crap. As usual, the NHL comes off as a bunch of lunatics running the asylum or a small carful of clowns.

    • mksness says:

      so no issues with scott? his fists aren’t weapons?

      the league sent the message don’t sent out goons on non fighters

      your subban example is not even close the to TO game…

      • Eddie says:

        Scott’s fists are not considered weapons in the NHL, which allows fighting.

        Scott was sent out way before Kessel; it was Carlyle who decided to send out a non fighter to line up next to Scott.

      • GrosBill says:

        Scott did not hit him. If he had he may also being having a hearing. If you take away the he said she said aspect, Scott did nothing other than chirp at Kessel, get shoved by Kessel, then go after him and get swamped by other Leafs which he seemed eager to take on as opposed to chasing Phil. Scott chirping at him is nothing new, players do it all the time…..

        Saying Scott was going to pound him is pure speculation, and in itself, just trash talk if Scott said that. If it had panned out that way Scott would be the one facing suspension.

        Kessel may have gotten away with the initial swing but the others were uncalled for. Kessel should have been suspended 1-3 games (reg season) IMO.

        The Leafs would never send a goon to fight a non goon right? Or have a goon completely sucker punch a non goon right? RC knew why Scott was on the ice, the same reason he puts out his goons…

        Kessel got off easy IMO.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        You can agree or disagree.
        The NHL allows fighting.
        I don’t agree with the staged fight, yet we all have choices.
        You can either watch NHL hockey or tune into Battle of the Blades.

        As for my Subban example, you miss the point completely.
        Nowhere did I condone the actions of Scot, yet anyone applauding the Kessel reaction is Wayne Maki /Marty McSorley dumb.

        The Kessel joke suspension made a declaration that it’s now Open Season to Tomahawk when ‘in fear’

        2 Wrongs Never Made A Right.

  48. WVHabsfan says:

    I can agree with you afloat word for word on what happened at camp. I am a believer that we haven’t heard the last from Louis though!

  49. Habfan10912 says:

    As training camp and preseason wind down it appears there is more room for optimism than pessimism.

    While I was a bit bummed about Beaulieu and his injury and off ice issue and Louie LeBlanc’s failure to move up into a starting role we still had good news from camp.

    Tinordi has most likely played his way onto the team as a third pair dman. Also any lingering doubts about first round pick, Mccarron have been erased. And who isn’t surpriced by the camp that Bournival has had? Sprinkle in a little taste of Colberg and you have some ingredients of bright future.
    I liked what I see. What say you?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good Morning Jim, indeed some room for optimism. To me however, this season boils down to how soon Emelin can return, can Diaz return to the form we saw prior to his concussion, and does Tinordi step in to play a regular shift for the Habs.

      We will only be as good as our defence, and to me that is still the area we have the most questions. Granted that is also the position which we appear to have the most depth of prospects.

    • Cal says:

      The future looks decently bright, Jim. The present…not so much. Let’s hope I am totally off-base with my gut feeling of another lost season. Then again, maybe a bad season is what’s necessary to clear out ineffective players.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I hope Galchenyuk and Eller take the next step, Cal. If they do the team could very well surprice. Like Burly points out the weak link continues to be the blue line. We’ll need “you know who” to be on top of his game to compensate. Price er a I mean “you know who” is most likely the key. CHeers.

  50. frankcasting says:

    Loved Gerrard Gallant’s shootout goal – well, the players’ reaction more than anything. Looked up his stats – he averaged nearly 200 PIM per season! Holy tough guy! 5’10” – Phil Kessel sized.

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  51. Thomas Le Fan says:

    A fast, highly competitive hockey game doesn’t need a fight. Wouldn’t miss it at all. However, I’ve seen a lot of live NHL games and, considering how much these guys are paid, very few of them ranked as good hockey games. Apparently, it’s easier to entertain the crowd with a couple scraps rather than hard work.

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  52. Timo says:

    I have a question. NHLPA, aka the players themselves, clearly doesn’t give enough shit about all these concussions, fighting, etc. Why do you all get so riled up? A bunch of millionaires decide there is no need to afford more protection to themselves so be it.

  53. Timo says:

    So no Murray or Parros, and possibly Prust for the season opener against laffs. Should be fun for the little guys. They’ll enjoy some punishment Kadri style.

    Can Habs for a change get players who do not get injured all the freaking time? Un-f$&%ing-real.

  54. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Okay, no more about the Leaves. Until the Habs play them next week…

    As for the Sens… 3 preseason games in 3 nights. Can you blame them for sending random players, including winners of the Ottawa Sun’s “Be a Senator for a Day” contest, and two actual Senators.

  55. JO says:

    If Ottawa plays their regular defence from last year. they’ll have a good chance at beating the Habs in both pre-season games.

    Hope there’s no dirty stuff like went on in the playoffs!!

  56. Timo says:

    Still discussing Kessel I see. Good grief!

  57. HardHabits says:

    OK. So Parros is going to be playing on the top line right? Just like BGL did back in the day.

  58. JohnBellyful says:

    News that CH 24 was returning for another season seems to have drawn a tepid response, and we all know why. Too bland, not enough water cooler moments to generate a buzz in the hockey community.
    Not to worry, as Red used to say. The team has taken steps to heighten interest in the series this season by hiding nothing of what goes on away from the public eye, following the example of shows such as Breaking Bad, Dexter, and Homeland that have an edge, dwelling on the dark side of human existence.
    Here are a few scenes from episode one, filmed during the preseason, that illustrate just how cutthroat the competition for a spot on the roster has become among members of les Habitants:

    [Scene one: Bouillon, Drewiske, towels wrapped around their waists, are headed to the sauna, and motion Pateryn to join them]
    Bouillon: Come here, rook, we want to talk with you.
    Drewiske: Yeah, give you some tips on positioning.
    [Pateryn follows them into the sauna and sits down on the bench, with Bouillon taking a seat on his left and Drewiske on the right.]
    Pateryn: So, guys, what’s up?
    [Drewiske rips off his towel and wraps it around the rookie’s neck, and begins pulling hard. While Pateryn gasps for breath trying to free himself, Bouillon reaches beneath the bench and pulls up a blow torch, which he ignites, and moves toward the young defender’s panicked face.]
    Drewiske: Hey, kid, here’s the famous Canadiens’ torch you heard so much about. You better hope Frankie’s hands aren’t failing. He’s liable to throw it at you. Frankie, why don’t you hold it high so the rook can see it better?
    [Camera cuts away, the last shot showing the light cast by the hissing flame encircling the face of the thoroughly alarmed young player.]

    [Scene two: Desharnais and Bournival are seated beside each other on the bench near the end of a gruelling scrimmage, sweat pouring off their faces.]
    Desharnais: You’re looking good out there, Michael. I heard the coaches talking. They’re really impressed.
    Bournival: Thanks, Davie, I mean, Mr. Desharnais.
    Desharnais: It’s DD, Michael, that’s what everyone around here calls me.
    [Desharnais stops wiping the sweat from his brow with a sleeve, and waves to a trainer at the far end of the bench, signalling he wants a towel and a water bottle. He takes the towel, and runs it across his face several times.]
    [Desharnais momentarily stops mopping the perspiration, and with one hand resting on top of his bowed head, he looks over to Bournival, from beneath his arm, past the folds of the towel]: Want some? You look like you could use it.
    [He hands Bournival the bottle]
    Bournival: Thanks, MistDD.
    [He takes a few gulps, and then starts gagging, his eyes bulging out as he clutches his throat with both hands. His face turns rouge, then blanc, then bleu]
    Desharnais: Oh, I forgot to tell you, the water’s not so good here at Brossard.
    [Bournival slumps over. Desharnais hands the trainer the bottle and winks.]

    [Scene three: Holland and Blunden are the last players remaining in the dressing room after practice, still clad in their hockey gear save for helmet and sweater. Both bend over and slowly begin to untie their skates. Peering at each other from the sides of their eyes, they begin loosening the laces at a faster clip. They finish almost simultaneously, and stand up together, each with a skate in one hand, gripped by the laces wrapped around their wrists.
    Crouched, they begin circling each other, slowing twisting their skates in circles at their side. Suddenly they straighten up, and begin swinging the skates overhead, darting back and forth at one, trying to draw blood with the slash of a blade. Blunden catches Holland with a thrust that nicks an artery in his rival’s neck. Holland falls to the carpet, bleeding profusely from the wound.
    Blunden had just cut him from the team.
    He breathes a sigh of relief. The chances of his not being the 24th man on a roster of 23 had just improved by one.
    Just then Bergevin and Therrien walk into the room and stop, shocked and horrified by the scene before them.
    Mon dieu, a player lay across the team’s crest and the blood flowing from his body was leaving an indelible stain. Who had committed this monstrous act?
    They stare at Blunden, his skate dripping red, making plain their disgust.
    Blunden doesn’t bother to dress. He gathers his belongings, walks past the GM and coach, and heads for the bus terminal – and another season with the Bulldogs.

    Be sure to catch the second instalment of CH 24, when the effects of Therrien’s personal development program have a delayed and unexpected consequence. May not be suitable for younger audiences.

    — “A little song, a little dance, a little bloodstain on your pants.” —

  59. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    My 5¢ on the Kessel non-suspension: 8ULL5H17

  60. habsfan0 says:

    3 games on 3 consecutive nights for the Senators?
    One would think they’d be easy pickings for the Habs.

    • bigjames says:

      that’s what we thought in the playoffs last year…

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Actually, the Sens had the #1 PK in the league and were extremely good defensively to compensate for Karlsson and Spezza being out. Not to mention Anderson and their promising young Dman Cowan.

        They were never going to be easy team. What I had hoped for was a good playoff series void of any nonsense. Then the Eller incident happened.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Sens are keeping their A team for the Habs, I think. The one that played against the Leafs was missing most of their regulars.

  61. SlovakHab says:

    Is there anything more unsportsmanlike than facepunching or stick swinging?
    Yet, it is part of the only sport that I actually watch with any sort of regularity – and it is daily. Sad that NHL is also watched by millions of meatheads that like fighting in hockey, so that the league doesn’t need to change it.

  62. SUMO says:

    Anyone know when the next round of roster cuts are coming?

  63. showey47 says:

    Great tweet.

    BrianWilde @BWildeCTV

    Dear NHL: How is it possible you are this stupid? A 3 game preseason suspension is like grounding a child 3 days only between 2 AM to 8 AM

  64. Phil C says:

    There is only one good reason to permit fighting hockey; because it’s entertaining and popular among hardcore fans (ie ones who spend money on hockey). Any other reason is a big steaming pile of bull crap.

    Fighting only matters in hockey because it is part of the rules. Make it against the rules, and it would no longer matter to the game, just like any other contact sport.

    BTW anyone see the Lucic-Rechlicz fight? Very entertaining. Had absolutely nothing to do with the game, but, man! they were throwing bombs and Lucic couldn’t handle the lefty. Rechlicz is gonna get popped eventually if he doesn’t start protecting his jaw more. I was entertained in a non-hockey way.

    • twilighthours says:

      Isn’t UFC/MMA the fastest growing sport in North America?

    • Habs_Norway says:

      Isnt fighting accepted in lacrosse in the same way as in hockey?
      Btw, have anybody heard of a person break his hand in a hockeyfight?
      Was listening to TSN podcast and i think it was Ferraro that spoke about the Bernier – Miller scrap.
      “what if one of those guys would break their hands or wrists”.
      Well, if they manage to break their hands or wrists due to a goaliescrap… then maybe they should play floorball.

      Here in Europe people in the stands go bananas when theres a nasty hit or a dangerous slash – because none of the team-mates jump the attacker. (which gets 2 min or maybe 4 if its the right refs)
      Maybe thats why the supporters sometimes jump onto the ice to “police” themselfes, since their team cant do it because of suspensions.

      Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  65. Hockeymask27 says:

    It’s going to be a real bummer if all season I get depressed every time the habs score. Why do they keep trying to change the best goal song? Bring it back for the 3rd time.

  66. JO says:

    Fighting other than LUCIC is for dummies without skill!! Lucic has skill in the stats column …

  67. Hobie Hansen says:

    With all this fighting, I just hope Jarred Tinordi doesn’t get in over his head and get hurt. He doesn’t even have to do anything really, but hit a Bruin, and he could have Chara wailing on him.

    Tinordi will have a bit of a target on his back I think. Other teams will notice the Habs suddenly have a real physical threat and want to to test him or try and humble him quickly. I can see the Bruins really getting after him.

    Keeping my fingers crossed Tinordi survives his first year of going up against some pretty dangerous opponents.

    • Phil C says:

      Hopefully most players will eventually want no part of him, especially after a few good showings against guys like Gleason. I would also hate to see him get hurt, he can play the game, no need to be a goon.

  68. 24 Cups says:

    As I predicted, the league turtles on the Kessel suspension.

    At least the Habs now know how to deal with Chara. Let the lumber jacking begin.

    I feel kind of sad as my love and interest for the game slowly wanes and dies. I mean how much bullshit can one fan take? I truly believe that hockey could one day be a great sport. Alas, those in charge, who have the real power, have chosen to take the game down another path.

    • twilighthours says:

      So what’s your take, Stevie? Was Kessel wrong? How many games should he have gotten?

      And what about big Scott? Did he do anything wrong?

      • 24 Cups says:

        th – There’s obviously a lot that could be discussed about the entire game but regardless of what was said at the time on the ice (or was about to happen) the NHL can’t have guys swinging their sticks at each other. I’d have to check the game log but I believe Kessel got a match penalty for intent to injure (if not, he certainly should have). That should carry at least a five game suspension whether it be Kessel or Plekanec or Crosby.

        I’m not a Leaf hater but I can’t help but wonder if the league let Kessel off the hook because they didn’t want Toronto to start the first five games of the year without two of their best players.

        • twilighthours says:

          So do you recommend Kessel just take his beating?

          To me, the NHL has fostered a culture where a player like Kessel might be in real danger from a guy like Scott, and so must respond in whatever way is required to protect himself.

          • showey47 says:

            What kessel should have done is take his one swing and skate away instead of coming back and taking another swing and spear at scott while he was occupied up by 2 other leaf players.

          • twilighthours says:

            I can’t argue that either, Show. But I imagine he’d be pretty rattled after being threatened and gooned like that.

          • 24 Cups says:

            This might sound totally naïve but I figure that Kessel just had to turn his head and skate way to another section of the ice. The onus would be directly on the refs to immediately stop the possible altercation.

            However, I do acknowledge your point about how the lack of action on the part of the NHL has led to a form of vigilantism. Hence my comment about how I seem to care less and less about the game.

            I’m not going to get into a long discussion about it but when you look at American society’s penchant for violence, it’s no wonder that the power brokers in the league want to incorporate that element into the game.

            “They say it`s just the predatory nature of the beast
            But, the barons in the balcony are laughing
            And pointing to the pit
            They say, ‘Aw look, they`ve grown accustomed to the smell
            Now, people love that shit”

          • on2ndthought says:

            what Showey said…. the initial reaction is almost understandable, going back for more cowardly stickwork was reprehensible (he had to go, pick up his stick and return for more lumberjacking). I think any Hab gets 5 regular season games for that (and I wouldn’t much disagree) It was a no-win situation for Kessel, but once he got away, he should have just stayed away. You may not like fighting, but stick swinging is going to cost lives if not stopped now and hard.

            “a cannonading drive”

          • twilighthours says:


            a) it’s not an either-or, we can wish for the removal of both stickwork and fighting.

            b) fighting has contributed to the deaths of some retired NHLers, too.

            c) What Scott did was pretty cowardly, as well.

          • BigB says:

            24 Cups, you’re an idiot for making a statement like that about the “American society’s penchant” for violence.

            I suggest you take your waning interest for the game and go have fun with your dumb thoughts.

            Habs forever!

          • punkster says:

            Hey BigB…lose the name calling and insults. Works better around here.

            Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
            ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

          • Habs_Norway says:

            Yes. Kessel wont die from taking a few punches from Scott. The refs would have stopped it.
            But what surprises me, is that the spearing isnt even a subject in the video where shanny explains the susp.
            And the smile on Kessels face when he skates past the bench?
            Kessel is a goon. a pig, as we call them here.
            He agitates Scott on purpose and then skates away swinging his stick twice, then coming back to give him a spear.

            And i actually have some belive in players, and i seriously doubt than Scott would have struck to inflict injury.

            If you run your mouth then you get run over. Ask Barnaby. He wasnt afraid of bigger guys. Yap yap
            Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      See, here’s the thing: I’m convinced that if someone on the Habs were to act as Kessel did, the response would have been much different.

      There’s always such a feeling of shock in the media when something happens to the Leafs – you can just feel how appalled they are. Habs get beat up for no reason (usually due to something initiated by the other team) and no one bats an eyelid. Kaleta on the Sabres jumped Galchenyuk in the Habs’ first preseason game and actually started punching. Not a peep.

      The rules are bent to fit the victim or perpetrator. Depends whose interests the league is watching out for.

      A note on Habs getting beat up for no reason and blaming the other team: I’m not being biased at all. The Habs are a team that isn’t pugilistic or very physical. Everyone – fan and non-fan – likes to say that and yet the Habs find themselves in more brawls (I think) than most teams. That tells me they’re targeted and that other teams like to take advantage of the team composition.

    • 123456 says:

      Hockey will be great once again when buttman and shanny are gone. Spineless tools that feel they need to cater to the superstars and the big ownership.

  69. B says:

    Kristo fans can watch him and the Rangers vs Edmonton on TSN right now.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  70. The Slacker says:

    If Rolston got fined for sending out Scott shouldn’t Carlyle get slapped with a fine everytime Orr and McLaren share icetime?

    All Kessel gets is to not play the next two games that don’t count for jack? A nice breather before the season starts?

    Clarkson at very least got a punishment befitting the crime, but is this only to pacify the folks who are thinking that the punishments here seem a tad one-sided?

    I figure it goes without saying that Kessel is a gutless little prick, having done what he did. I’m glad Scott didn’t get hurt and as childish as it sounds I’d love nothing more than to see Scott (or anyone else really) pound Kessel in a real fight. With fists. No swordplay. But I know Kessel is way too big a coward to ever stand up and face someone like a man. It’s appalling.

    • twilighthours says:

      Hey man, imagine some 7 foot, 300 lb dude getting ready to wring your neck. Are you going to take it “like a man” or are you going to do what’s required to survive?

      • Habs_Norway says:

        Survive ? jeezzes.. Sounds to me like this John Scott is a One Man Army.
        I remember a guy called “Tie Domi”… He wasnt the biggest guy. Fought the biggest guys, tough..
        Note of observation: The tallest guy isnt the one that allways wins.

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • bigjames says:

      I watched antichambre last night (before the fine was announced) and their take was that rolston not only sent him out but spoke to him and told him to extract revenge for the sabres guy who had been knocked out. the antichambre guys thought it was ridiculous to have to tell a tough guy what to do… they should just know. so maybe the fine was for instructing a player to go do damage? just a theory…

  71. twilighthours says:

    Common argument in favour of fighting in hockey… all the cowardly stickwork leads to a different way of settling things: bullying and fighting.

    Ironic awesomeness of the Scott/Kessel situation…. that cowardly bullying and fighting led to different way of settling things: stickwork.

    (Normand, not sure if it is actually ironic. I use that word with great uncertainty)

    • punkster says:

      Bravo for leading the charge, fighting the good fight tonight.

      I don’t particularly want fighting removed from hockey…I want the league and the officials, at a minimum, to make the calls according to the book…I want the staged bouts and no talent goons removed from the game completely …and I want the PA, the players and the owners to change the culture by putting a stop to hiring said goons.

      I find it sad that such a beautiful, fast, breathtaking game can be ground to a halt by senseless buffoons taking centre stage.

      Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…

  72. 123456 says:

    So I’ll try to get past the NHL playing favorites to Toronto – but what kind of message is sent to all coaches by giving Rolston a fine? Will MT get fined when Paros plays? Will Carlyle get fined when Orr steps on the ice. I can see a fine if you intentially undermine the sport but it’s not like Scott went after Kessel – they slap each other like girls and then Scott turned to others and did NOT do anything to Kessel except maybe scare the begeezes out of him.

    • commandant says:

      The thing that kills me is that TORONTO HAD LAST CHANGE.

      Its not like Rolston sent Scott after Kessel.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

      • twilighthours says:

        And I believe Scott wasn’t even put on the ice, he was already on it from his previous shift, and just remained on the ice.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        I don’t see why the incident was so appalling and so shocking that punishments that were more screwy than the ordinary were meted out seemingly in favour of the Leafs. The friggin’ Leafs had the most major penalties last season meaning they are usually the ones to get involved in such sideshows (and probably initiate them too).

        Not the first time this pre-season that Kessel had a hack-a-thon and yet he gets a little slap on the wrist.

        As pointed out above, Scott being out on the ice [against Kessel] was not intentional and Carlyle had the freedom to put whoever he wanted on the ice, and yet Rolston is fined?! Seems like it’s a move to appease the Toronto media.

        The Leafs are the new Bruins who could do no wrong (or very little wrong).

        • 123456 says:

          Yea and Shanny included in his commentary that kessel had no suspension history but then mentions the two handed stick swinging is a repeat offense as he just did it against Philly – hmmmm maybe the first incident needed some action by the league.

          In the end – I can not wait for kesel to play in a month in Buffalo and I hope he gets run hard a few times.

        • Rugger says:

          Unfortunately, I agree that the Leafs are the new chosen ones. They’ve gotten good enough that with league help they could steal a cup like the B’s did without it looking “too” fishy.

    • commandant says:

      The thing that kills me is that TORONTO HAD LAST CHANGE.

      Its not like Rolston sent Scott after Kessel.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  73. ABHabsfan says:

    So if you go Paul Bunyan on a guy you don’t have to play any more pre-season games? How many other vets may take advantage of this new precedent? It’s going to be a Lumberjack bonanza the rest of the week!

    “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

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