Predators match Flyers’ offer for Weber

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Nashville had to step up to the plate on this.
The credibility of the franchise was at stake.
The losses of Suter AND Weber would have turned the Predators into the Blue Jackets

Here’s the story.

Scott Burnside on Weber

And guess who‘s coming to Montreal for a visit?

Moving right along to the nightmare scenario:

“Mr. Meehan, Paul Holmgren is on the line.

“He wants to talk about P.K. Subban.”

Here’s P.K. dropping in on the NHLPA negotiating team Tuesday in Toronto:

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  1. 2habs3 says:

    Peel Pub———-cheapest beer, great pub food
    Peel St. just south of St. Catherines
    5 minute walk to the game.

  2. Mavid says:

    Reuben’s is excellent

  3. fastfreddy says:

    Question. Am coming to MTL. in Jan. to catch Hab game. Anyone know a good eatery near Bell Center?

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  4. Bripro says:

    Totally off topic, but nevertheless important!!!!
    Did anyone know that one of our first Montreal dessert landmarks, Calories….is closed?
    My wife broke the news to me today. We have no idea when it happened, but one of my favourite dessert places is gone. Tragic!

    • punkster says:

      The West Island site closed a few years back. Not surprised the Westmount site went under. My daughter applied to work there a couple of years ago and the “owner” set up two appointments for interviews and never showed for either. But I agree it was a gem of a late night dessert place.

      Now if you want to go one better…Cafe Cherrier on St Denis. Late nights on the terrace with a cappuccino and anything chocolate…Sunday breakfasts with giant cafe au lait…

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Bripro says:

        That really sounds good Dave.
        Unfortunately, my doctor told me to cut back on my sugar.
        Genetics! :)

        But every once in a while, my wife and I like to cheat,
        so you never know… Cheers!

      • boing007 says:

        What happened to Kilo on St Lawrence, north of Fairmount?

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …similar out here Bri …My favourite late night dessert restaurant on Denman Street near English Bay, Death By Chocolate closed suddenly
      …maybe the fluctuating price for cacao/chocolate, spoilage are high business costs that make their margins too thin to be stable as a business

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think pasta places and bakeries are in for a rough ride again. They may have survived the Atkins diet craze, now they face the Paleo diet surge.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …and worse the Diabetes Dread :)
          …reading-up on the Paleo Diet …seems We should invest in a Chikin-fil-A Restaurant franchise :)

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Dude, it’s so simple. We start a real Montreal deli in Kits or on Robson. Just get a Schwartz’s franchise, plunk it down somewhere, convert hordes of pigeons from their sushi zombie-somnolence, and rake in the dough.

            You scout a location, I’ll call Céline and get the ball rolling (we went to the same school in Charlemagne, so we’re tight).

  5. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    as for next years draft: describe Seth Jones, I have heard many good things about him

  6. ed lopaz says:

    certain players are so good they can play very effectively in the NHL at 18 years old.

    How can this be evaluated?

    first, it comes down to the quality of their skating, acceleration, speed, changing direction, stop-start, etc, can they skate at an NHL level?

    second, their physical strength and conditioning; are they strong enough to take the pounding of NHL action?

    third, their hockey sense, hockey IQ, positioning, awareness, vision,

    fourth, mental strength, maturity, ability to perform under pressure, in the spot light, media attention, can they struggle and battle through?

    when the evaluation of these 4 aspects is complete, a team can draw a conclusion of whether an 18 year old is capable of playing at the NHL level.

    Galchenyuk will be evaluated during the camp.

    If any of these 4 criteria are not met with flying colors, if there is any doubt whatsoever, he will be sent to Junior.

    But if he passes each test with ease, he will be given 9 games of NHL action, and then a decision will be taken after those games.

    I totally agree with the Commandant on this. If a young man is “ready” to play then he is “ready” to play, no matter what his age, no matter how many years of junior he has played.

    • Bripro says:

      Point number 4 is the one that concerns me most.
      And that’s harder to evaluate.
      I have a 19 year-old and granted, not all kids mature at the same level,
      but I can tell you that, no matter how good a skater he is, with his disposition?….. there’s no way he’s mature enough to play with the big boys. But, like I said, they don’t all have the same maturity level.
      Still, I think for this portion of his development, he should play another year of junior.

      • ed lopaz says:

        I agree. It takes an incredibly confident young man to adjust to the idea that he is no longer the “best”, and even harder to adjust to criticism that his game is not what the fans expected.

        Imagine what Seguin went through in Boston.

        Benched and struggling to find his game.

        Yet he made it through, and Boston is a very tough place to play.

        • Bripro says:

          “It takes an incredibly confident young man”. You nailed it.
          He’s only 18. Like I said earlier, everyone’s chomping at the bit to have him up here. Me too. But his proper development now will reap big time in a few years.

          • commandant says:

            Just so we’re clear Brian, I think its likely he goes to Sarnia. I just don’t think its 100%.

            You gotta leave the door slightly open, that if he comes to camp and knocks your socks off, you keep him.

            I bet the Canes didn’t necessarily plan on keeping Jeff Skinner, but they left the door open and the player kicked it in and forced them to keep him.

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  7. savethepuck says:

    I just saw on The Score that the Sens waived Bobby Butler. I am not used to seeing players waived in the summer. What’s the point? I also thought he was one of their top prospects as little as 2 years ago.

    That’s Hockey’s Who’s Better is a total joke. For under 25, the final 4 are Crosby, Hall, Eberle, and Karlson.
    Can you guess which 3 don’t belong there?
    Hint: They play for Canadian teams, and all followers of TSN are Canadians.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  8. Propwash says:

    I wonder if that scuffle with Price shorted out something in Timmy’s noggin.

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    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      That’s a nice story, but here’s what the Same Guy wrote about the Maple Leafs three years ago.

      • HabFab says:

        Then this article must have hurt :)

      • DCH says:

        Wow. Talk about being off the mark.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Man, that article is a howl! I know it’s a puff piece written by a Leaf fan, but as his introductory article, it’s prophetically awful. The guy is the Reverse Midas, everything he touches turns to sludge.

        I love how his best, #1 reason to be a fan is the schadenfreude that the Blackhawks have gone even longer than the Leafs without a Cup. And then they promptly win one.

        Good link Sean, I’ll keep my eyes peeled for this joker in the future. And I can safely intone that all of my blog posts will stand the test of time much better than this gasbag.

        EDIT: This one is the best, love the exclamation point at the end:

        6. Mike Penney and the scouting staff: Often with no 1st-round picks to work with, Leafs scouts seem to be unveiling some hidden gems in drafts in recent years. Here are just a few examples: Stefanovich (4th rnd – ’08), Christopher DiDomenico (6th rnd – ’07), Viktor Stahlberg (6th rnd – ’06) and Anton Stralman (7th rnd – ’05). Never heard of some of them? You will!

  9. HabsFanMTL says:

    i am starting to think Tim Thomas is racist , he never wanted a black president in office which is why he didn’t go to meet him with the rest of the team. And now adding to that, he may have had to play with a possible “black backup” in Malcom Subban……believe me, TT is as good as gone……….

    • ed lopaz says:

      wow. that’s totally unfounded.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        So TT knew 2 months ago the Bruins were going to draft Subban? I’ve got to ask him for some good stock picks. I think TT and about 48% of Americans didn’t want a democtaric president regardles of him being black or white.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

    • Rozz says:

      where did you get that TT never wanted a Black president? he has strong political views and at least he is convicted in his views enough to say something and do something about them.
      Not that I agree with him or his actions at all, but its better to have convictions than to be someone who is just apathetic and has no conviction at all.
      Whether we agree with him and his views / action or not, it doesn’t mean he is a racist.
      Though I will agree that I believe he is done with the Bruins …and maybe even for good.

      “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

      Mark Twain.

  10. JohnBellyful says:

    I think all of us has it within ourselves to turn our lives around, no matter how set we are in our ways. I proved that today and I believe the experience is worth sharing. Critics of Gomez take note.
    I started out the morning, get this, by putting my pants on – with my RIGHT leg first! I never do that but I decided to shake things up.
    Same with the socks, RIGHT foot first – and AFTER I had put my pants on! Unheard of!
    Next was the underwear, which, to be honest, wasn’t part of the grand redesign – they were supposed to go on first, after all – but so quick was the metamorphosis taking place that I didn’t get flustered when I realized my mistake. I regrouped and redressed.
    By now I was the centre of calm in a hurricane of change, and the changes kept a-comin’.
    Ate my cereal using my LEFT hand! Brushed my teeth SIDEWAYS! Parted my hair on the OPPOSITE side!
    It was a new me and I was liking what I saw in the mirror even though I hardly recognized myself. It was like Mr. Jekyll had become Mr. Terrific, all because of a few departures from the norm.
    I didn’t stop there. On the way to work, I made left-hand turns while signaling right. Turned the air conditioning on high blast and lowered the windows. Listened to the sports shows without yelling once.
    It was incredibly transformative!
    So big deal, you say – you glass half-empty guys kill me! – what’s all this got to do with anything, especially with Gomez?
    Well, let me tell you what happened at work: productivity shot up! I made fewer mistakes, met most of my deadlines, didn’t trigger a single customer complaint — and only one co-worker got injured!
    The boss was impressed and said take my time getting his latte. I even detected a hint of a smile when he said it.
    So there you have it, me, Joe Nobody, turning his life around by making a few simple changes in routine. With more to come (tomorrow I’m shifting the toilet paper around so it pulls off topside!).
    Anybody can become a new person without surgery if you put your mind to it.
    It’s like tossing a pebble in the ocean and the ripple becoming a tsunami by the time it reaches the other side.
    I’ve emailed my story to Gomez to get him started. He hasn’t replied with anything nasty – you won’t believe how many NHL people can be so rude – which tells me he’s taken my message to heart.
    So don’t be surprised if No. 11 plays like a 10 next season. You have the inside scoop.

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    [A nod to Tim Thomas for turning a slow hockey day into a politically charged one]

  11. Boomer says:

    Was anyone else unaware that the olympics were starting this weekend? I need to get out of my cardboard box…
    It was a pleasant surprise!

    Occupation: Professional Hedonist… aiming low and exceeding expectations ;)
    Hobo with a laptop

  12. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    BTW, would LOVE a NHL team in jet city, imagine the Seattle-Vancouver games……

    • boing007 says:

      Put a team in Portland, Oregon too while they’re at it.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        +1, as long as they’re removed from the south and transplanted in the Northwest. We don’t need to dilute the talent any further.

        Any excuse to go down to Portland, great town.

  13. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    Timmy Timmy Timmy……….

    he is one strange dude, that much is true

  14. H.Upmann says:

    So that’s why Tiny Tim Thomas needs year off, to continue making political statements wherever he can. Comical. The Bruins should do themselves a favour a trade his ass.

  15. commandant says:

    Shameful,

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/26/tim-thomas-a-shameful-act-a-shameful-man/

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  16. petrov14 says:

    WTF is up with TT?
    https://www.facebook.com/TimThomasOfficialPage

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    • Mr. Biter says:

      So to say that you are in favor of traditional marriage is now a crime? I see the PC police are out if full force today.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

      • ross says:

        Nobody said “crime” but you. But I think that there are two potential issues with the TT post, for those who are genuinely put off by the perception of the ‘PC Police’ ragging on TT.

        First, it’s kind of a gray area, but usually it’s bad form for athletes to go super-political, especially when it comes to “religious politics” (for lack of a better word). No problems with them holding whatever beliefs, but using one’s status (or public Facebook page) as a pulpit is not well-liked.

        Second, towards the Chick-fil-a stance, being in favour of traditional marrige isn’t the Big Deal. Rather, it’s using a company to lobby for laws that will make other forms of marriage illegal. What you do with your business and in your church is up to you, but trying to control with legislation what other people do in their homes and bedrooms is overstepping the bounds of reasonable-ness.

        The combination of these two issues is what’s going to make a lot of people sigh resignedly and roll their eyes at TT.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          Crime might have been a little over the top however where ever you read that Chick-fil-a is or was lobbying to change marriage laws please post the website or where you read/heard of that. Their founder was asked a question and answered it. Yes with pro athletes it maybe a Grey Area but then should it not also be associated with movie actors who the majority seem to be left leaning and the garbage they spout before jumping into their private jets is never challanged. BTW I’m not a TT fan or defending his views, however whatever he says or does seems to end up on this site seconds after they are said or posted.
          Regardless nice post.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            No gray area. Thomas is a bigot, pure and simple.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            So if the current democratic president was white and TT did not go to the White House because he does not like the direction the States is going what would he be then?
            Ross’s reply was much better and made sense. Is TT a racist because he belongs to the Tea Party in your eyes. Please ellobrate where TT (I don’t even like him) has ever said a bigoted thing.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

          • commandant says:

            Its bigotted to believe that gay people do not deserve to be treated the same as straight people and do not have the right to be married by the STATE because your religion says its wrong.

            Its bigotted to believe that all people in the country should have to live by laws that are based in your religion when the majority of the country subscribes to another religion or none at all.

            Its hypocritical to take one line in the bible that can be construed as anti-gay and use it to justify the stance that this is what god wants… ignoring numerous other messages in the same book related to tolerance, and respect, and even love for your neighbours.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            (EDITED)

            I love how so many of the more vocal ‘Christians’ are actually angry Old Testament tyrants. Jesus Christ apparently said in that book that he apparently wrote that you should love your neighbour, and that you shouldn’t cast stones unless you haven’t sinned before yourself. He seems like a kind of cool hippie dude, but so many who preach his words are more condemnatory than the Reverend Lovejoy’s wife.

          • commandant says:

            Excellent post UCE.

            The hypocrisy of the leaders of the religion are why I say, “I was raised a Catholic” not that I am a Catholic.

            I can’t reconcile the positions of the church leaders on this issue with all I was taught about tolerance, fairness, forgiveness, equality and love for your fellow man. I just can’t reconcile the two, and I refuse to follow the leaders who are hypocrites about their own teachings.

            I still believe in God and Jesus but I can’t live by the tenets of the catholic church that are inconsistent with the teachings I hold dear.

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          • ross says:

            @Mr. Biter:
            Take this with a grain of salt (HuffPo):
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/02/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-group-donations-_n_1644609.html

            I haven’t looked at the list in detail, so the numbers there might be off, but there doesn’t seem to be any doubt that *some* donations have gone to organizations that actively lobby against gay marriage and/or making gay marriage illegal.

            I agree it’s a bit of a double standard between movie stars and athletes, but it does sort of seem to be that way. I’ll listen to (and then laugh at while I disregard) whatever a Holywood star has to say, but coming from Tim Thomas (or Carey Price), it just seems “gauche” somehow.

            Cheers!

          • Rozz says:

            @Un Canadien errant

            I’m more of a light hearted kind of person, I like to joke around, and normally don’t get into debates or what not about religion. but I must point out that saying “all the Christians” are tyrants is kind of offensive… And really in its own way is kind of the same thing as people throwing out any of the negative and hurtful stereotypes about any race religion or belief.

            You’re right in pointing out that a lot of these religious, legalistic, and rule oriented people who claim to be Christian that occupy the churches are tyrants. They are twisting something that is supposed to be an individual faith and morality, into a prison system used to condemn others into doing whatever the person in charge says is “right”. And that is the exact reason I left the Organisation that is known as the “Christian Church” when I was old enough to see the hypocrisy with in a lot of their actions

            But while I left the Church behind, I still know that there are plenty of Christians who know the truth behind the spirituality and they do believe it’s about love and understanding and acceptance as you pointed out. They know it’s not about judgement and condemnation… Those who use it for Judgement and hatred are not Christians at all, but rather the wolves in sheep’s clothing.
            So yes I’ll join you in ragging on those Religious assholes who are just trying to Eff everything up. But let’s not condemn an entire faith because half of its followers are misled by … well … Assholes

            “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

            Mark Twain.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            ROZZ, you’re right, I hastily tossed off a glib denunciation of the right wing-Moral Majority crowd, and unfairly tarred every practicing Christian with my broad brush. I edited my post after reading your response. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Wow some interesting posts while I was gone. Firstly I go to church once a year ( Christmas), don’t take specific quotes from the bible and am very happy living in a Christian country not under Sharia Law in some Islamic state. But no, some lively debate is allways fun espically when there is no name calling is involved of specific posters.
            So good night all.
            Had to do it Ross and (shudder) go to Huffington Post and looked a a list posted there where Chick’s gave money to and did not see any “Lobbying Groups” (Fellowship of Christian Athlete’s?). All seemed to be Christian Religious groups which probably don’t support gay causes (and 2 Mil over 7 years does not buy much lobbying in Washington) but it’s there money, they can do with it as they please and hey since they’re not getting any Gov’t assistance, if you don’t like them then don’t eat there.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

        • Ron says:

          Good post ross.

  17. Un Canadien errant says:

    A Wayne Gretzky sighting in Seattle drums up the possibility of an NHL team in the city in the near future.

    I’m all for it. Road trips to Seattle to catch a football and a hockey game would be awesome. It would mean more hockey on TV for us here in the Vancouver region, and a natural rival for the Canucks and a team that is a short travel distance away, which they desperately need more of.

    http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/07/26/wayne-gretzky-complicates-nhl-in-seattle-situation/

    EDIT: Funny that the 999th comment is about Wayne.

  18. Bripro says:

    Tim Thomas is never too far from controversy.

    I wonder if he will in fact take the year off, and if Raask will be able to hold the fort.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Since when has ‘prideful’ become a word? What the heck?

      I guess some people use it as a way to denote someone who commits the sin of pride, but then there’s the airhead Selena Williams who toots her own horn and describes herself as a “very prideful” person, instead of using the plain old correct ‘proud’.

      And maybe just maybe she should describe herself as a humble person, and stop trying to be a fashionista and designer, because it ain’t working, and stop appearing in bikinis in magazines, and cut down on the cosmetic surgeries disguised as “I disappeared from public view for months to have surgery because I cut my foot while walking on broken glass.”

  19. habsavvy says:

    Carolina signs Semin.
    Rutherford is doing everything as a GM to improve his team, Carolina.
    habs still stuck with an inexperienced GM , afraid to be aggressive.
    habs will suck again in 15th place as a result!

    • JUST ME says:

      7 millions for one year is still a lot of money for an ify player but it`s a good bet since it is for only one season. Shows that nobody really trusts the guy.

      Not sure if he would have made a good fit in MTL. Bergevin said he would take a long hard look at what he`s got. That says it all. Personnaly i never believed that he would make major moves until at least half season.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I would be upset as a HABS fan if UFA defensemen like St Louis Kent Huskins.. and I say like cause there are several others, are all signed and Bergevin (HABS) hasnt managed to fill that gaping need, for a BIG reliable d-man.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I hear you trini. I don’t know Kent Huskins well, but I still pine for Shane O’Brien, a guy I saw play for the Canucks and would have been good for what ails us. If we’d signed him on the cheap last year and re-upped him this year with a raise but at a still very reasonable cost, we would have had our third pairing defenceman who can clear the crease and reduce the abuse on Carey. Our team toughness profile would be complete with him on the blue line, and the forwards now on the roster, we could confidently take on all comers.

          Some will say we wouldn’t have a ‘true heavyweight’, but it’s been shown by the Georges Laraque experiment that that’s not necessarily the way to go. If we don’t have a heavyweight, probably then the opponent’s heavyweight like John Scott doesn’t dress against us, so we don’t really need one of those guys.

        • HabFab says:

          But Therrien wanted this guy, Frankie the bull. Personally wished that Bergevin would have consulted you, as I don’t understand it.

    • habsnyc says:

      Rumor Bergevin will sign PK to an offer sheet and refuse to match. That way the team will get both PK and the draft picks.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  20. piper says:

    Does Nokelainen have a two or one way contract. I just don’t see him being better than Leblanc or one of the other kids.

    • geo_habsgo says:

      I agree! Leblanc is ready to play in the NHL if he has packed on some muscle over the summer. He will be a great third line center and maybe a top 6 center based on what I’ve seen of him so far. I hope he can steal a spot in camp because I think he is the type of player that will develop more over time with the big club.

    • HabFab says:

      Nokie has a one way contract at league minimum.

  21. HammerHab says:

    Anybody know what’s going on with Maxim Trunev? I remember in his draft year Timmins saying he was the steal of the draft. Is he doing any good over in Russia? Any chance of him coming over?

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  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’m sure you guys all know of the Down Goes Brown blog, which is quite hilarious, and if you don’t you should Google it.

    But how many of you knew that the name comes from an announcer’s call of a fight between 49 goal-scorer (when playing on the wing with Mario Lemieux) Rob Brown and our very own Sylvain Lefebvre, who is the new coach of the Bulldogs? I didn’t. I always thought it must have been from a fight of the blogger’s man-crush Wendell Clark.

    Anyway, kind of cool that the ‘Dogs coach has that kind of YouTube rep, he can rest on his laurels and tell the little pukes to do as he does, and if not there’ll be trouble.

    If you follow the link below, it takes you to a blogpost that has video of an interview with Rob Brown, who seems like a good guy, and is game to talk about his being knocked out. He also says straight out that the fight happened because Pat Burns, who was coaching the Leafs at the time, and had coached Sylvain Lefebvre with the Canadiens and asked the Leafs to trade for him, yelled at him to ‘get’ Brown. Good stuff.

    http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/07/26/rob-brown-discusses-down-goes-brown-and-the-lefebvre/

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    June 22: Alex Galchenyuk [x]
    June 23: Stefan Matteau, Mike Matheson, Martin Frk, Brandon Whitney
    June 2429: Travis Moen [x]
    June 2627: Mathieu Darche
    June 26: Ryan White
    June 30: Alexei Emelin
    July 1: P.A. Parenteau, Taylor Pyatt
    July 3: Shane O’Brien
    July 52: Carey Price [x]
    July 6: Lars Eller
    July 9: P.K. Subban
    Sept. 15: Training camps open
    Oct. 11: Puck drop, Canadiens vs. Senators

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  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    953 posts. Little Jimmy is on the cusp of getting a new wheelchair…

  24. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    oh, and for all those who suggest breaking up the Cole line, you do know that DD and Gio on the same line is every defenseman’s wet dream

    • shiram says:

      That’s why you go with Bourque/DD/Cole.

      • neumann103 says:

        Or Pacioretty/DD/Bourque

        I like the idea of keeping Pacioretty and Desharnais together but Cole will contribute wherever he is placed (but keep him on the right side).

        Agreed that DD and Gionta on the same line may be too small, but Bourque also likes to play the right side and having a couple of big net crashing bodies for Desharnais to feed is good.

        “Et le but!”

    • Hali_Hab says:

      I heard Brian Wilde on 990 today and he made a great point in talking about last years team. He basically said that we were a one line team (which is true) we had no 3rd or 4th and the second line was a mess mostly due to the Gio injury. He then went on to say that opposition teams loved playing the hab’s because all they had to do is shut down the top line. Wilde went on to say the first line playing in those horrible circumstances still managed to produce and produce at a first line level. Now picture what that line could accomplish if they were not the center of attention of the opposition. Playing on a team with some functional lines.
      A little food for thought.

      • habsnyc says:

        well everyone loved playing the habs because:
        1. the chances of montreal winning in regulation were super low, so there was a huge probability their opponent would get at least one point.
        2. once they fell behind, montreal gave up
        2. montreal did not hit or fight or intimidate or play chippy
        4. half montreal’s defense was inexperienced and belonged in the AHL
        5. contrary to brian wilde, opponents didn’t have to shut down the first line, because there was no secondary scoring, the proof is that the first line was not shut down and the team was a disaster. Wilde has it backwards. As the team improves, the top line will score fewer goals not more goals.

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          2. Montréal never gave up last year. They didn’t have the horses to mount comebacks in most cases, and at the very end they kind of tapered off, but I was really happy with the fact that three-quarters of the way into the season they were still scratching and clawing to get wins. If you think back, we’d moan that we would lose game in OT and get the draft-position wrecking ‘loser point’.

          Someone smarter than me brought up the fact that the Penalty Kill teams still clicked late into the season, even after Hal Gill was traded, and that was a good indication that the team was still trying, because that aspect of the game is all effort.

          Brad Staubitz and Ryan White went on a tear and spelled each other on fight duty, alternating each night and giving each other props on their altercations, it was great to see how these two beauties clicked.

          It’s okay to be a realist, you can even be a pessimist, but it’s wrong to say the Canadiens gave up. Even after management threw in the towel and traded away players at the deadline, the team still played to win.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          5. Don’t really understand this point, unless you mean they’ll score a lower percentage of the team’s total goals. If the Canadiens get more scoring out of their other lines, and if they have legitimate NHL’ers on the third and fourth lines, then the opposing defences won’t be able to key in on the Desharnais line, and that should mean more goals from them.

          • habsnyc says:

            when there is more talent, other players have a better chance of getting hot and getting more ice time that would have gone to the first line. the first line will get less ice time as the secondary scoring improves. fourth lines rarely score. it is all about the second line.

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        • habsnyc says:

          fair point, let me rephrase it. montreal won only four of 24 games that they trailed after one period and only 1 of 31 games they trailed after the second period. their .038 winning percentage when down after two periods compares to a .226 winning percentage for boston.

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      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I can’t imagine that line doing any better than they did last year.

        Yes, they were the only line last year, but I doubt if the Habs had a relevant 2nd line the opposition would have changed their game plan. They opposition still would have focused on that line.

        If they are still that dangerous this year, they will still have to face the best defensive lines from the other team. No difference there.

        The only difference for us, is this year (with a healthy Gionta), the 2nd line should be able to chip in more and help out when the top line does get shut down.

        So… IMO that line does not improve significantly based on your scenario… the team does, but not that line.

        Edit – seems I was slow on the draw and a bunch of people had already made my point

  25. Hali_Hab says:

    Does anyone think MB is done? or can we expect a move for the top six and maybe a gritty D man. I keep hearing talk of Doan, which would be ok in my books. I cant see him leaving the yotes. Any one hear anything other than the same old rumors that have been floating around.

  26. commandant says:

    I’ve never bought the argument that you can ruin a player’s confidence by bringing him up too soon.

    The only 2 arguments IMO against bringing a guy up too soon are the injury factor and the ice time factor. If a player is not physically mature enough for the pro game, and he is going to get hurt, this can be damaging to his career. If a player is playing on the fourth line or in the pressbox instead of getting proper minutes (and not a 1 or 2 game stint either, I’m talking serious bench time), then yes you can stunt development. But I dont’ buy the confidence thing.

    In any young player’s career, whether they are 18, 20, or 22 when they reach the NHL there will be highs and lows. There will be good points and bad points. How a player deals with the lows is a test of his character.

    If an 18 year old struggles in the NHL, is then sent to Junior or the AHL, and eventually comes back strong, ala Max Pacioretty or Carey Price. Their development was not mishandled. Yes they struggled, but at 20 years old these two players learned valuable lessons, and persevered despite adversity. This shows their true character, and I think it may even make them a better player going forward.

    If an 18 year old struggles, and never regains his past form. If he busts out because he just couldn’t handle the pressure and the low points of the NHL. That exposes a character flaw to me. Its a flaw that will always be present and is just waiting to be exposed. Sure at 21 he might be a better player, but no matter what, every rookie and sophmore will go through struggles at some point. Will go through a scoring drought, or will make a key giveaway that loses a game. If a player has a character flaw that doesn’t allow him to recover from that as an 18/19/20 year old, its not going away at age 22 or 23 or 24, or however long you wait. Its just something that will eventually be exposed later in their career.

    So I’m not worried about sheltering a player’s confidence. These are high performance athletes, and they wouldn’t reach the NHL if they grew up without self-confidence and the ability to overcome adversity.

    Its all about whether they are physically mature enough to handle the physicality of the pro game, and whether they can produce enough to get quality minutes. If a rookie earns a top 9 spot, let him play, because there is plenty to learn at 15 minutes per game in the best league in the world.

    But its all about whether they can handle it.

    Again, I think its doubtful that Galchenyuk can, given the knee injury. But I’m not closing the door completely. In the unlikely event he shows up in camp and looks like an NHLer, you gotta let him play.

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    • JUST ME says:

      You are just forgetting one minor detail . This is Montreal with all the medias and know it all that roam around the team and the players.
      Sometimes it is not necessarly about the skills of the players but all about maturity. That`s why they hired Brisebois and Lapointe to make sure that those angles are covered . If you play in Columbus you have nothing to deal with other than play hockey. In Montreal it does not stop after you step off the ice, it starts there…

      At 18, 19 years old with millions of dollars in front of you in a city that breathes hockey 24/7 you better be strong.

      Examples of those not ready for prime time players come in dozens in Montreal. And there is no need to deal with that before making it here ?

      • commandant says:

        “If you are gonna succeed in montreal you better be strong.”

        I agree.

        But i don’t think a player can be ruinned.

        If he’s not ready, send him back down to the minors and bring him up when his confidence is restored. Or let him fight through the hard times. If he can’t do that the way PK, Patches, and Price have done, he wasn’t a strong enough person to begin with, and no amount of time will fix that.

        You’ve either got it or you don’t. And sure, you might grow to be more ready for Montreal with time, but it helps to experience it first… know what you are in for… leave for Hamilton, and then come back to Montreal better prepared. Thats the real opportunity for growth.

        However in players like Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Bozon, Gallagher, I think we have kids who can handle Montreal. Remember when you are a minor hockey star, and your dad is a famous hockey player or coach with a big time club, you face pressure every time you step on the ice. Its inevitable, and any kid who survives that is one step ahead of the game in Montreal.

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    • boing007 says:

      How many times does Galchenyuk have to repeat to all and sundry that his knee is fine? Yet, you keep harping on it. It’s his knee, not yours.

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      • commandant says:

        I have no doubt the knee is fine.

        In fact for those who know me or have been following my site, I’ve always said that Galchenyuk’s knee looked 100% both in the Sarnia playoffs and at the Combine

        The knee itself is not the issue, its one year not playing hockey due to the knee injury.

        But I still think he might be able to overcome that.

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  27. fastfreddy says:

    Galchenyuk comes up with the Habs ONLY IF he” blows the doors ” off during training camp. He is going to have to be head and shoulder better than somebody presently on the roster, otherwise, he goes back to JR.
    Would you start him in Hamilton if he impressed or outright send him to JR?

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    • HabsWinn-ipeg says:

      He can’t go to Hamilton – has to be returned to Jr. I agree with your assessment of what it would take to stick with the Habs. If he sticks, MB will have to trade a centre to give him playing time.

    • fastfreddy says:

      I have a sneaking suspicion that MB is going to pull something off, can’t put my finger on it but I feel something important is going to happen soon.

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  28. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Does Bobby Ryan have a NTC of any sort? If not, I think the Habs should take a real run at him (stating the obvious, I know). Exactly what we need (he plays on the left, right?).

    I’d be willing to give up one of our top d prospects for him (Tinordi or Beaulieau) along with Eller (Anaheim is going to need centres). A pick if required too (not a first rounder though)

    Have to give to get, right?

  29. aj says:

    YAWN! Who has info right now on what’s going with the Subban Contract? Its going to be almost a month and no update yet. I’m curious to know if the new GM here is still interested with him.

  30. Gerry H says:

    Man, Carolina has improved a lot this summer. Captain Kirk might have his coming-out party in 2012/13.

  31. Un Canadien errant says:

    One thing to consider when figuring whether Alex Galchenyuk can play with the Canadiens next season instead of being sent back down to junior is the very clear statement by Rick Dudley during a radio interview that for him or any player to make the team on his draft year, he has to clearly, decisively win the roster spot outright. In Mr. Dudley’s words, he has to force the team to keep him. Couple that with Marc Bergevin’s statement that a team never regrets leaving a player in the minors too long, but often regrets bringing one up too soon, and it kind of frames the discussion we’re having.

    Another consideration is whether the team is very comfortable with the coaching and physio staff they have in Sarnia. What if he gets traded to a Memorial Cup contender and it’s an organization they really don’t have a good read on? Could it be that they may have more confidence if the crown jewel was in Montréal under the watchful eye of Michel Therrien and Dr. Mulder and his support staff?

    I’ve floated the idea of easing him into the lineup like the Bruins did with Tyler Séguin, putting him on left wing for a season, but the trial balloon didn’t last very long. I’m not married to the idea, wouldn’t like the kid to be exposed to the shrieks of the media and fans if he was a healthy scratch for a couple of games for example, as Mr. Séguin was, ultimately to his benefit.

    So does he progress more in Montréal surrounded by pros with lots of coaching and training staff support, being given achievable assignments and playing third-line minutes on the wing against topflight NHL competition, or in Junior where he’s the #1 centre Top Banana who gets the most minutes and plays the powerplay and kills penalties and takes key faceoffs against softer competition? And in junior, does he get playoff exposure and possible Memorial Cup experience and World Junior experience that he can’t duplicate being babied into the NHL, especially if next season is deemed a development year by the Canadiens and they don’t mind missing the playoffs too much?

    • Gerry H says:

      I had not thought of the medical staff/training considerations before now, UCE. That’s the first thing I’ve heard to make me question the wisdom of letting him play another year in Sarnia.

    • 24 Cups says:

      In the last ten years, no prospect in the top three picks has ever made the jump to the NHL with only one year of junior experience. Some of them had three. Seguin had two which makes him a poor comparison.

      As well, no junior in the same time period has made the direct jump to the NHL after sitting out a year of development due to a serious injury.

      After a much needed clean start, why would the new Hab management team want to take such a gamble? A gamble that involves arguably our 4th best, long-term asset.

      The idea of rushing a kid because there “might” be issues with a junior team and it’s medical staff is bizarre to me. It’s a total stretch.

      I don’t get any of this line of thinking (even though Normand and I seem to be saying many of the same things).

      • commandant says:

        First off, how many players in the first 3 picks only had one year of junior when they were selected? I think the number is going to be quite low.

        Your sample size is so small, its hard to get any thing resembling a reliable inference from it.

        Most high draft picks are playing junior for two years before they are drafted, which is exactly what Galchenyuk would have been doing if he wasn’t hurt.

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        • 24 Cups says:

          I checked evry player that was drafted in the top three over the past ten years. All of them, including Malkin in Russia, had at least two eyars of junior before playing in the NHL. It doesn’t matter if the 2nd year was before or after their draft year. They still didn’t make the jump.

          As for stating Galchenyuk would have two years if he wasn’t hurt, that proves my point exactly. The fact of the matter is he was hurt, he missed an entire year of development and would be making a jump to the pros that players like Staal, Horton, Malkin, Ryan, Staal, Toews, van Riemsdyk, Turris, Duchene, Nugent-Hopkins, Landdeskog and Huberdeau were unable to do. That’s not a bad sample size.

          • commandant says:

            Exactly…

            Its hard to say… “No top 3 pick has ever made the NHL with less than 2 years of Junior.” When you have 0 top 3 picks who have been in this situation.

            Who was the top 3 pick with only 1 year of junior and didn’t make the NHL?

            There is none.

            This is like saying… “No top 3 pick named Alex Galchenyuk has ever made the NHL at 18.”

            Well duh, of course not… he’s the only guy to be a top 3 pick and who has played just 1 full year of junior.

            Its an unprecedented situation… so saying no top 3 pick has ever done this before, proves nothing. There has never been a player this talented to even try to do it.

            However a guys like Patrice Bergeron with only 1 year of junior seemed to work out fine.

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          • 24 Cups says:

            This is taking on the makings of a swordfight which is something I never participate in on this site.

            I guess I’m just not willing to chance something that players who were of equal talent level as Glachenyuk never had to attempt (or weren’t asked to attempt). BTW, you were right about Bergeron. He only played one junior of Quebec junior. I only checked the players who were at the top of each draft year.

      • Bripro says:

        Is he confusing you? Because I think Norm prefers seeing him play in Sarnia, or wherever he might be traded, as opposed to bringing him up.
        We’re all on the same wavelength, I think….
        Norm is trying to give the impression that he’s undecided and straddling the fence, but I can see him tilting over.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The medical angle is a thought that occurred to me when reviewing video of Trevor Timmins going over the draftees in June. On a few occasions he mentions that one or another is on a great organization with lots of support, so the player can develop. It triggered me to wonder how do the Canadiens feel about the Sarnia organization, and the chance that Alex gets traded to another team that’s a contender for the playoffs and Memorial Cup. You call it a stretch, fair enough, it’s a question I have that I’m putting out there.

        Your point about him making the jump to the NHL with only one year of junior is well taken. I think you can deduce from the first and fourth paragraph of my post that I’m not a proponent of rushing the kid either.

        • commandant says:

          Jacques Beaulieu, Nathan’s father, is coach and GM of the Sarnia Sting.

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          • Bripro says:

            I thought he was in London? Isn’t he an assistant with the Knights?

            EDIT: Never mind. Found him on the Sarnia website.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            True enough. Now do you or anyone have a comment regarding this Steve Simmons quote:

            “The Sarnia Sting produced the first and third picks in the NHL Draft in Nail Yakupov and Alex Galchenyuk yet all I’m hearing this summer is how just about everyone who plays for coach Jacques Beaulieu wants out of there.”

            http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/21/bertuzzi-moore-case-could-be-riveting

          • commandant says:

            He was an assistant with the Knights when Nathan was a kid.

            He then became head coach in Saint John, when they drafted Nathan in the QMJHL draft.

            He was then fired, and replaced by Gerard Gallant.

            He was then hired as Head Coach and GM in Sarnia.

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          • commandant says:

            I haven’t heard this talk that Steve Simmons is alluding to.

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  32. pottymonster says:

    I think it’s unfortunate the Habs never seem to get the sort of deal Carolina just got with Semin. I mean, we have plenty of cap space, and it’s only a 1 year deal. If Semin turns out to be garbage, you don’t resign him. If he turns out to have some new found desire, you have the inside track on getting him on a longer deal.

    Any guy that has 40, 38, 34, goal seasons under their belt is worth that gamble in my opinion.

    • Cal says:

      Yeah, $7mil for a 54 point player. Wait, we have a worse on than that if you think about it for a minute.
      Semin is a floater.

      • pottymonster says:

        For a one year deal. It could be 29 million and it wouldn’t make a difference if it fits under the cap for 1 year. Ditch Gomez and you have space.

        Also, the guy has career high 84 points. He can be a PPG player, don’t just write him off as a 50 point player just like that.

      • Habs4Me says:

        Semin would be swallowed up by the Montreal media, never could have lasted here.

      • neumann103 says:

        Lots of people are excited about the opportunity to give a nearly 36 year old Shane Doan that kind of money for a ridiculously long time.

        Lots of people are chomping at the bit to trade half the team and prospects for the 57 point scorer Bobby Ryan.

        There is little downside to a 1 year deal for Semin. They gave up nothing to get him. They created no roadblocks for the future. Yes it is too much money, but if they have cap room what is the big deal?

        “Et le but!”

    • Kooch7800 says:

      It is a tough call. 21 goals and just over 50 points for 7 mill and is not great defensively…would be better off with AK46

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      We have the cap space??? Really? You do realize we only have somewhere in the vacinity of 7M left and we still have to sign Sooby-Doo, right?

      on another note, Semin… he he he….

  33. H.Upmann says:

    Expensive Semin.

  34. Habs64 says:

    Semin to Carolina

  35. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    IF Galchenyuk makes the team, who does he replace? He’s not going to be a 4th line centre. MB would have to do some shuffling, unless there’s an injury (and no, they’re not going to move Eller to the wing to accomodate him)

    • Andy and the habs says:

      Trade DD and Pleks, and keep Gomez. Eller to center second line and Galchenyuk in the third. Problem solved…just need to spend on riot police though until the hockey season starts cause I’ll take part in riots too. :D

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      How about we play him on the third line left wing for a season, alongside Lars Eller and a trusty veteran like Travis Moen, or Colby Armstrong? We have a hole on left wing, and the Bruins did well by playing Tyler Séguin on the wing his first season, ease him into the lineup with fewer responsibilities.

    • commandant says:

      He could be on the 2nd or 3rd line. If he forces his way onto the team, and Ryan White is forced to the press box and travis moen to the fourth line…. oh well.

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  36. shiram says:

    Semin to the Canes. 1 year/7millions.
    SovSport report that #Canes will announce the signing of Semin within the next hour. Believed to be a 1y deal with higher $ than last year.

    • shiram says:

      I trust this guy more…
      Darren DregerVerified ‏@DarrenDreger

      Semin signs 1 year deal with Carolina.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        They have been talking about that they have been in discussions for a couple of days.

        He could have been interesting but over 7 mill for a 50 point guy is not so shit hot

        • shiram says:

          I could see him improving in Carolina though, they got Staals and Semin now, plus Muller to make it all gel.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            One year deal so maybe. Not sure if the Staals are better than Ovie and Backstrom…they are not exactly slouches.

            He knows he has to prove it this year though as look how long it took him to get a deal. I don’t think he is worth 7 mill for 21 goals…that is crazy.

            They didn’t give up anything though to get him so it could be a major win for Carolina

  37. commandant says:

    On Galchenyuk, if he was almost any other prospect, coming off a serious knee injury I’d say he was for sure starting with Sarnia to make up the lost development time.

    In fact I still think Sarnia is the most likely destination.

    But one of the things that makes this kid so special, and why I liked him so much, is his dedication and gym rat/rink rat mentality that is so far over and above other players. There is an outside shot that he trains so much, and so hard, that he is ready for the NHL when the season starts and its just impossible to send him to Sarnia. Not likely, but if any of this year’s prospects could come back from such a knee injury and still make the NHL at 18, its him.

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    • Andy and the habs says:

      I’ve been thinking the same thing. I saw a picture of him training shirtless and this kid is already build. If he starts in Sarnia beginning of the season, I don’t think he will stay there for long.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Andy – If he starts the season in Sarnia he has to stay there all season long.

        • Andy and the habs says:

          Thanks for that. I did not know. Your point below tells it all. The management just need to show patience with this kid.

          edit: I can’t wait to watch him play. And I will definitely be following Sarnia this year.

    • Cal says:

      I am optimistic about him. He is compensation for the Habs’ season from hell (or is that Torrona?). With determination, he can force another player down the depth chart.

    • 24 Cups says:

      It’s not a question of will he be able to play, but rather why would the team want him to play in the NHL this year?

      For discussion sake, let’s assume that his knee is 100%.

      He basically didn’t play hockey last year. He only has one year of junior experience. This kid is still raw, just the way MaxPac and Leblanc were. The team still has Gomez on the roster. If Galchenyuk makes the team it would mean that one of the other three centres goes to the wing. Is that a good idea right now? It also means the Habs eat up a year of RFA on his contract when there’s no incentive to do so. Instead of playing a ton of hockey where he stars at the junior level, he will get limited minutes playing with a kickass coach in an environment that may be less than positive in light of a last place finish as well as a labour dispute hangover.

      Training in a gym is admirable. However, this guy will still be a boy among men come October. I’m sure he’ll good great in camp but then again they all do. Reality doesn’t kick in until around Nov 1st.

      Right now, it would appear than only Yakupov and Murray should start the year off in the NHL. And I’m not sure that it’s even a good idea for Murray.

      • Bripro says:

        I agree with you Steve.
        To be honest, I really don’t know much about this kid, but from everyone’s links and media, there’s no question that this kid will be something. But the logical approach is sending him back to junior, and challenge himself there before, as you say, he plays with the men.

      • commandant says:

        15 minutes of ice time in the NHL is more valuable to learning than 25 minutes in the OHL.

        If he’s ready (and thats a big if) and he proves to be capable of handling those minutes, I keep him on the big club.

        Like I said, its likely he goes to Sarnia… but if he comes to Training camp and blows the coaches away, he has to get his 9 games. If he produces in those 9 games, he has to get his 40 games. If he continues to produce, he stays up all season.

        Its all about performance, and if he’s putting up offensive numbers and palying good minutes, you don’t send him down IMO. If he’s not producing and not capable of playing those minutes, send him down.

        Take the same approach with him, as we saw Boston take with Seguin, and it worked wonders for him. Even if Gally plays some time at wing, thats fine for an 18 year old. As long as he’s somewhat productive… say a 35-40 point pace.

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        • 24 Cups says:

          We have a different viewpoint on how the Habs should develop their kids (look how they mishandled SK74, MaxPac and Leblanc) so we’ll leave it at that.

          As for Seguin, I think he’s the wrong example to use. He had two years of junior and didn’t miss a season of development at a crucial stage of his development.

        • Bripro says:

          Sorry Ben. Most times, you know I respect your perspective and viewpoint, but on this one, I’m siding with 24.
          Even if he might be prepping himself at a higher level than any other junior, he’s still only 18. He’s never played at this level, and I agree that what is considered a gradual conditioning at the junior level will help him develop better.
          That extra 10-12 minutes/game is substantial.
          Perhaps he can be brought up for a few games to gauge his progress during the year.
          We’re all chomping at the bit for that big C, but I think we’ll be sacrificing another year.

      • Cal says:

        If he can be a 60+ point player in the NHL right now, why wait? However, if we all see he has a ways to go, so be it. There has to be a reason all kinds of teams were salivating over him, 24.

        The Holland approach of “wait until they’re old men” will not work in that short 7 seasons and you’re UFA NHL.

        • Bripro says:

          60 Points? After having missed all of last year, and he’s not at the big league level yet. I think you’re asking a lot Cal.

          • commandant says:

            Steven Stamkos scored 46 points his first season in the NHL.

            Seguin just 22

            Neither of these guys was rushed… 60 pts is a super high expectation… Jeff Skinner was the rookie of the year and toast of the league, he got 63. Landeskog won the Calder with 52.

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  38. Hey guys,

    I saw this flow chart the other day and thought it could be really helpful for some of our discussions on here. It also gave me a good chuckle or two…

    http://i.imgur.com/lsWQT.jpg

  39. commandant says:

    My Top Shelf Prospects team today is Calgary, and top prospect Sven Bartschi (who i mentionned was an emergency recall last year for 5 games).

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/26/top-shelf-prospects-calgary-flames/

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  40. AliHaba says:

    Next topic for discussion….Will any of the defense prospects (Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis, Pateryn, etc) see NHL action in 2012-13? And who do you think has the best chance to appear this season?

    • pmaraw says:

      my gut says Pateryn gets the 1st shot

    • commandant says:

      They all start in Hamilton.

      Since injuries are inevitable (you can’t go a full season with only 7 Defencemen), one of them will get a shot as an injury fill in. It will be the player playing the best at that point in time.

      I’m gonna go off the board and guess it will be Morgan Ellis, and H I/O will go crazy that Tinordi and Beaulieu aren’t progressing as expected.

      I actually expect Tinordi to struggle for at least 1/2 a season as he adjusts to the AHL game. I think Beaulieu needs more work defensively than Ellis (though Beaulieu’s offense is better and even his defensive upside is higher). But Ellis will be ready to be an NHL fill-in the quickest of the three.

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      • shiram says:

        Do you think he could go up the depth charts and surpass St-Denis? He did not look too bad last season.

        • commandant says:

          St. Denis is what 9th on the depth chart right now?

          I figure Weber will not be a Hab when the season starts so that makes St. Denis 8th.

          If the injury is early in the season, first callup St. Denis’ spot to lose. If its later in the year, Ellis, Beaulieu or Tinordi might surpass him depending on how quick their development is. (and it really could be any of the three…. the other post is more a fantasy prediction than anything).

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      • B says:

        There may be more than one D man playing very well in Hamilton next season. The choice for a call up may come down to the type / style of Dman they are trying to fill in for.

        • commandant says:

          Sure, plus what side of the ice they need to fill. Ellis is RD, Tinordi, Beaulieu LD,

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          • chanchilla says:

            didn’t tinnordi and beaulieu play as a pair in training camp though? i thought one of them favors the wrong side.

          • commandant says:

            On their Junior teams they both played LD.

            I didn’t see them paired together at camp last year, most of the time they were seperated as each guy had a vet (either an NHL vet or an AHL vet, with him).

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    • Cal says:

      My gut says Nash.

    • Bill says:

      After half a season in the AHL, the most NHL-ready defenceman among the prospects will be Beaulieu.

      Ellis and Tinordi will struggle with the speed and skill of pro players for one year. Pateryn and Bennet are wild cards.

      Beaulieu has the most hockey smarts out of the bunch, and has a high and very well-rounded skill-set, offensively and defensively, and that’s why I would see him making it first. But I am biased, having seen him play a lot more than the others.

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      • B says:

        I thought that Beaulieu has tons of skill, talent and skating ability, but that it was his decision making (hockey sense) that needed to be better?

    • veryhabby says:

      Timmons said at development camp that tinordi is closer to making the NHL then Beaulieau at this time. He said he could see Tinordi in the line up as early as the following season (’13-14).

      So I kinda take his word on knowing a whole lot more then most of us on this board. Now when it comes to call ups, I think MTL has always been fair in calling up whoever has been deemed the best in the AHL at that time. St. Denis, I’d guess would be first call up. Lets not forget Nash has a few NHL games behind him too. But if Pateryn or Tinordi are deemed the best at the time of need, then I can see them being called up. I wonder tho if this management team will go with also “type of Dman”. So if a O type goes down, then the best O type gets called up. Or visa versa with a D type dman.

      I really hope few get called up. wouldn’t it be nice to have an injury free D corp this season? Or a few very minor short injuries where our 7th dman can easily take over!!!!!!!


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