Post-Kostitsyn era begins in Tampa

The Canadiens complete their Florida swing with a game against the Lightning Tuesday night.
Andrei Kostitsyn won’t be at morning skate.
But Blake Geoffrion and Brad Staubitz will.

Canadiens quiet on trading day

Red Fisher weighs in

Canadiens holding bundle of draft picks

Geoffrion gets a chance

Richard Labbbé’s take

Not much action anywhere

Predators won deadline day

Trade tracker


  1. Chris says:

    Ugh…sure enough, my various attempts to shorten my earlier post (mistakenly thinking it was too long) DID all get posted. Sorry for the inconvenience.

  2. ds says:

    Wouldn’t it be hilarious if MTL got big and strong and suddenly after the CBA, the NHL went back to their no tolerance style officiating from the first yr post lock out.

  3. Les Canayens says:

    The last of the Kohicans (Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek, Kostopoulos, should I include Kovalenko?).

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  4. SteverenO says:

    There is a Montreal Canadien player who had a better record then Plekanec on the PK unit in each of the of the last two seasons(2009-2010 & 2010-2011) For some reason this player has not been granted any time on the PK unit this season. .

    Let me introduce you to Scotty Gomez. in th elast two complete seasons , Mr Gomez has played a total of 235 minutes on the PK unit and the team has allowed 16 short handed goals during that time. The average therefore is one goal allowed for every 14.5 minutes of short handed ice time.

    Our “top” PK specialist, Thomas Plekanec, played a total of 441 minutes during those same two seasons, and 41 opposition PP goals were scored against the Canadiens during that time. That averages to one PP goal allowed for every 13.2 minute of PK time.

    One would think that the coaches are privy to these statistics, would you not?

    This season , 2011-2012, Plekanec has played 189 minutes short-handed so far The team has allowed 14 PP goals against while he has been on the ice. Average of one goal every 13.5 minutes . Pretty much exactly the same as the previous two seasons.

    In case you are wondering if Gomez has been equally consistent on the PK unit this season, don`t waste your time. He has only been on the ice for 2 minutes and 19 seconds when shorthanded this year.

    So in the one category of the game where Gomez has excelled for the last two seasons, both of our coaches this year decided that this is a role that he should no longer be allowed to continue in.

    On the other hand , in a power play role where Gomez is totally useless and ill-equipped, the two coaches combined have managed to utilize him for over 78 minutes!

    While there has been some success in the last few games, there was one point where Gomez had played over 60 minutes on the power play and the Habs had a total of ONE powerplay goal during that span

    Think about this for a second, if you will. What it means is that had Gomez left his hockey stick on the bench every single moment that he was on the powerplay it probably would not have made ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL in the number of powerplay goals we scored.

    What does this say about our coaching? Our management?

    In my opinion, it says we who follow, and care, about this team are being played for suckers. Shame on us for continuing to support a team that has so little regard for its fans, and so little pride in being a part of one of the greatest franchises on sports history.

    There should be an inquiry. The team is obviously and blatantly, doing their best NOT to win games. It cant be that both the coaches are that ignorant and incompetent. It MUST be orders from above. Someone, has been sabatoging the team`s powerplay on purpose.

    Could someone in the upper management be betting aginst the Habs!
    Could anyone have the chutzpah (gall) to order that Gomez be on the powerplay just so that they don`t look bad for having traded for him?

    Well guess what?
    It’s not working, The Gomez deal is looking worse and worse with every passing game. Not only is he taking so much cap room away that could be used on other players, he is taking ice time away , especially on the power play from someone who might actually contribute to our scoring a goal.

    We could live with an honest mistake, a bad trade. Use the guy where he is likely to succeed (proven over two seasons) and help the team.

    Stop putting him in a position where his costing us games. Its simple,and its obvious.


    This is a travesty!


    Steve O.

    • shiram says:

      I think Pleks faces the first PP wave, and Gomez got the second PP wave, so a lesser threat for sure.
      Also I’d rather they give Eller the time on PK’ kid’s got to learn.

      • ds says:

        Gomez is a NJ product he knows how to kill penalties and eat valuable minutes holding a lead.

        2 years ago he carried the team to the playoffs with Gionta offensively. He was near the top 10 point producing centers from January to April 2010, unfortunately I don’t know what’s happened since.

        Last year Gionta struggled mightily and missed tons of open goals in October with Gomez setting him up, since then Gomez has dropped off completely. It’s unfortunate but the player has lost his confidence and needs a change of scenery.

        Even if we had the 7.35 million cap hit who would we sign?

        Parise? Semin? Parise has blown his knee, should we risk a large long term contract which is what he would ask for?

        Semin OTOH has not been the same player since St. Halak stopped 44 of his shots in that playoff series.

        Also factor in the taxes in Qc we have to overpay for players. This team has to build from within and once the picks are developed then sign a few UFAs like Boston (Chara, Savard, Recchi), Chicago (Hossa), Pittsburgh (Guerin) to push them over the top.

        A weak team signing band aids won’t get better.

  5. boing007 says:

    I know those fans who call themselves the real fans will take issue with my comments but I ask them to forget the trees for once and look at the forest.

    There aren’t any trees left, they’ve all been cut down.

    Richard R

  6. Mondou6 says:

    I think it’s fair to question Molson’s intentions.

    The playoffs are a cash windfall for the owner, which would beg the question if he is happy with an 8th seed every year, boatloads of extra cash, in addition to 40 home regular season sellouts.

    Or, if he is honestly driven to build a model NHL franchise that perennially contends for Cups.

    The 8th seed version just requires a mediocre GM and spending to the cap limit every year. Seems like we do that.

    The model NHL franchise requires patience, hiring all the right people, and letting them outwork and outsmart the other NHL teams. I don’t see any evidence we are doing that.

    • joeybarrie says:

      The more playoff games this team plays, the more he makes. Winning The Cup only means more money to him as well. It makes no sense profit wise that he isn’t going for the Cup.
      As for hiring the right people and outsmarting other teams… Well it isn’t that easy. You only have so many people to choose from. Gainey was a good choice and he won a Cup as GM. PG was his successor, seemed to me only fair to give him a go.
      Out smarting other teams is a luck thing. Everyone wants something. And the big things we complain about are not available. By the way, I feel like we only see our own teams bad choices and other teams good choices.

    • Les Canayens says:

      His intention is the same as you and me. Unlike Gillett who bought the team cheap and flipped it, the Molson brothers bought it back expensive, so I for one does not question their desire to own the team whether or not it’ll be a profitable enterprise depending on their managerial abilities.

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    • chilli says:

      Molson wants to win. That is not even up for debate. There is only one team that consistently has been in the running over a 10 year period and that is Detroit. Every other has gone through bumps and bruises until they find the right mix.

      You folks seem to have short memories. We were one of 3 last teams still standing 2 years ago.

      Hindsight is 20/20 and Molson was no different than EVERY SINGLE fan of the Habs before this season: “Wow, 7th game OT to the Stanley Cup Champs! Markov coming back! PK a shot at Norris! Camarro in the best shape of his life and claiming he is ready for the best season of his career! Big Tits gonna score 30! Gomez embarrassed by last season! Price will win the Vezina!

      Well, guess what – everything went wrong. Very wrong. From the opening game … to now.

      But don’t give me this “does Molson want to win” bullshit.

      Plenty of teams with big plans had terrible seasons: Tampa, Washington and Anaheim and Montreal all leading the way.


  7. habfan53 says:

    With a lot of ” fans ” talking about tanking I would like to know how many of you would expect Jean Beliveau to tank a game or even a shift?

    Montreal go out there and WIN WIN WIN for “le Gros Bill”

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  8. ds says:

    I hope whomever we draft this year will be a game breaker/go to guy of the future. It’s been a long time since MTL had a bonafide superstar. Let’s hope they lose a lot more than they win. We need someone who thrives under the pressure and wants the puck when the game is on the line. Kovalev was decent at this, Cammelleri crumbled and blamed others.

    Also I hope player development comes under closer scrutiny. Seems like we develop decent defensemen and goalies but our forward prospects don’t pan out.

    In the entire NHL only Ribeiro & Plekanacs are MTL developed forwards who have been consistent offensive producers. Not that good compared to most other teams. You can add Koivu in his prime as well but that’s all.

    Is it due to poor drafting or poor development who knows, a house cleaning is in order.

    • habfan53 says:

      I can add so much more to your comments. Lets start with coaching giving up on Vigneault, Therrien and Julien to start, 3 rookie coaches that we gave up on,
      As for consistant forwards I would also add Michael Ryder, Grabowski with Toronto also has been consistant put would not have been getting top 2 line time in Montreal and rightly so.

      to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

      • ds says:

        I agree on Ryder but the offer he got from Boston like 16 mill/4 yrs was absurd IMO esp with the cap around 40 million back then.

        Coaches they gave up on I would put it in the same boat as defensemen like Robidas or Hainsey. Flourished elsewhere.

        Gabrovski I’m not sure if he is a better player now or if the second he leaves Toronto he will be exposed like Kaberle.. Not sold on him yet.

        But other than that we have developed no marginal top line forwards in over 10 years which is awful. Even the worst teams have developed some stars. Hopefully Pac breaks the mold.

        The only thing that worries me about tanking is we might ruin a young prospect which is something this club has a propensity for doing. Or we might get a Daigle. There’s still skill in tanking, look at CLB, 10 top 10 picks in last 12 yrs, only Nash panned out as a star.

        Islanders had the #1 and #5 picks in the 2000 entry draft and picked Dipietro & Rafi Torres, tanking ain’t easy lol

    • VONLEBARON says:

      Its simple, stop rushing the player’s. Stop putting first line AHL players on the fourth line. Stop putting defence up forward. Detriot do not rush their players and it shows. They keep them down for a couple of years. Louis Leblanc is a classic example, its stupid to give him 3rd or 4th line minutes when he can get top line minutes in the AHL to develope.He is just their to please the media aand fans.

  9. HabFanSince72 says:

    I prefer to think of it as the Brad Staublitz era.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  10. Les Canayens says:


    Your assessment of my criticism of AK is correct, because it’s purely based on me asking myself how often did we cheer his goal when the game is on the line?

    Considering the number of blown leads this team has so far this season, how many of those game winning goals he scored when his team was already leading?

    I have no feeling when a deal is done it’s all entertainment for me, and hopefully, for you also. I wish him well, at the same time I’ll cheer for anybody giving me entertaining value.

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  11. joeybarrie says:

    Detroit lets Kyle Quincey go for nothing, they pay a first round pick to get him back, and PG is the worst GM ever and Holland is a genius.
    Simon Gagne 47 goals, 41 goals, 34 goal seasons. He gets traded for a 4th rounder and an AHL player. We get a 2nd rounder for a 18-20 goal scorer, and of course The lightning let him walk for nothing… PG is terrible, and Holmgren and Yzerman are geniuses.
    Michael Cammalleri walks from the Flames who gave up a 1st and 2nd round draft pick for him after scoring 40 goals, then PG trades him back to the Flames for Bourque, a prospect and a second round pick. PG is an idiot, Feaster is a genius. (who has now given up 3 draft picks and a prospect for a guy who has played under 100 games for them, and can walk AGAIN in 2 years.

    All I’m saying is things don’t go a certain way cause we THINK they will. And every team gets caught in this type of stuff.
    That being said, I’m looking forward to a better GM.

    • ds says:

      You can add Chicago messing up their RFA’s qualifying offers, imagine MTL did that with Subban & Price this year?

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Feester wasn’t the GM the last time Cammy was in town. Sutter was.

      • joeybarrie says:

        If you are going to correct me (and you are right) at least spell his name correctly…. FEASTER, Jay Feasted.

        • Les Canayens says:

          Jay does look like he has Feasted often.

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        • ont fan says:

          When you come to this forum you have to understand that we always get the dirty end of the stick, our players are bums,except the ones who got away, our owners only care about money not winning and generally our management is so stupid that when they won a cup with another team it must have been dumb luck. It gets old. Lets just start over again already!

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          meh, I didn’t really care that much to determine the spelling of his name. I just wanted to correct a fact that was completely and utterly wrong (which is probably something you should have done yourself… you know, before you post)

          Good job on correcting my mistake. Though, a simple thank you would have sufficed. It probably didn’t require you calling me out in that manner or spelling his name in CAPS to make your point

          • joeybarrie says:

            I was kidding, thus the incorrect spelling I used to sell that fact. But stay sensitive my friend. (that was a shot)

  12. Cal says:

    Why does this not register?

  13. HabsFan1111 says:

    I propose a ‘we’re sorry you joined such a crap team Erik Cole’ rally at the next home game. He gives his all every shift of every game and has exceeded everyone’s expectations and then some and all he gets is the opportunity to play spoiler down the stretch.

    WE’RE SORRY ERIK! Next year will be different (at least it better be…)

    • shiram says:

      With bonuses, Erik Cole is making 9 millions this year, so while i do appreciate his work ethic and his dedication, it is what is expected of him.

      • Bripro says:

        You have to admit that not only does he bring a strong dimension to the team, but he’s making DD and Max perform over and above as well.
        He’s on par for more hits than last year (225) and more points (52).
        He’s at the same level as other high-priced players, including cap hit (Marian Hossa, Mike Ribeiro, Daniel Alfredson, Ryan Malone….).
        If everyone on the team had his work ethic, we’d be at the top looking down.

  14. Cal says:

    1,2,3, testing.

  15. joeybarrie says:

    Its funny to me when some look back at the players we got rid of and say we should have kept them. Then we bump up their upside and pass it along as fact. One example, Dagostini is a 15-20 goal scorer. While he is currently on pace for 12 goals this season .
    I see the we should have kept Dags, Latendresse, Chips,
    Lapierre, Higgins, Grabs, SK, etc etc etc…
    Our current top two lines.
    Cole, MaxPac, DD, Gionta, Pleks, Bourque. Other than Grabovski our guys are much better. Our guys who go to other teams and play on the top two lines they had no chance to play on here are gonna produce more. Doesn’t make them good enough to play on our teams top two.
    @mjames, Higgins is getting 2 million per year. As for his 12 goals average… Darche had 12 last season in under 60 games, DD has 12 goals now. We have both DD and Darche for less.

    • mjames says:

      Look at the whole (expletive deleted) issue and not pick at isolated points. The group running the team has brought this franchise to the Toronto level of incompetence. PG and Gainey should apologize for their stewardship. For PG to state that he achieved his objective yesterday is just a plain insult to people. I don’t mind losing but Gainey and PG are literally destroying this team through their incompetence. If you don’t see that then you are drinking PG’s kool-aid.


      • boing007 says:

        What do you think PG’s favorite flavour might be?

        Richard R

      • joeybarrie says:

        I simply feel like we concentrate on the bad moves we make, and focus on the good moves other teams make.
        Yeah, I would LOVE to be able to have had this team do better.
        Lets not forget that Montreal have a fatal flaw in every deal they make. The Media and Fans have already gone to the greatest lengths to tell the ENTIRE negative story on every single player they can and other GMs know it. This lowers our value in the market. Add on the pressure that is put on the players and the management to not only make the BEST move possible but ensure it satisfies the Language issue as well. Its an impossibility. We got MORE for Gill what everyone expected. Less for AK. But although it is fair and evens out, we complain in the end it was too low for both, simply cause we think it to be true, based on other events that are completely different.

      • JF says:

        Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I read your post below and thought your criticisms were right on. The Habs failed dismally with both Kostitsyns and with Grabovski. The organization is rigid and hidebound, has no patience with immature young players, and no creativity in dealing with them. We repeatedly let players like these leave before they’ve reached their potential; we repeatedly give away draft picks for bandaids; and I can’t say anything about the Gomez trade that hasn’t been said many times since it was made.

        My concern with everything that has happened this season is that Gauthier does not seem to have a plan. He is constantly improvising, he tinkers with the lineup, adding a bandaid here, shipping out a piece there. I’m afraid that if he is still GM in the summer (and all signs point to that being the case), he’ll throw a boatload of cash and cap space at more free agents on the downside of their careers just so we have a chance of making the playoffs. The team needs a proper rebuild, carried out according to a well-thought out plan. I don’t see anything to suggest that there is such a plan.

  16. shiram says:

    Postitsyn era

  17. rogus says:

    Who cares, the good guys won.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      You and Don Cherry have arrived at the same logical conclusion.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Right. The good guys are gonna drown us in fighter jets and jails, while selling bulk oil to other countries to refine and profit off of. Nice.

      Lost a bottle of Kraken during this debacle of a season. Better gettem next year.

  18. rhino514 says:

    I think we run the danger of ruining Leblanc by keeping him from playing his natural position at centre. He´s a decent prospect, but not an elite one who could adjust to any position; not that kind of talent. He´ll have enough trouble making it at centre. Would be a pity if that happens, but I don´t see any openings at centre on the team.
    I´ve said before, I don´t think Eller should be an untouchable the way he is being grouped with Price, Subban, and Max Pac. I do agree we should keep trying him for now but not at all sure he is going to develop into the player some people view him to be.
    Remember, he wasn´t traded for Martin Brodeur.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    I am shocked the poll question has not yet been changed to , did PG get fair value for AK?

  20. stgermda says:

    A. Vermette was traded for a 2nd & 5th to PHO earlier, and
    he’s better than AK47 and is Not a UFA at the end of the year.
    We did good for for a player of his calibre that is a UFA in three months.

  21. mrhabby says:

    think i will keep paying attention to sports its way more fun than politics.

  22. rhino514 says:

    I don´t think many realize that even if you get rid of a player like AK for free, it´s not a bad move. It frees up 3-3.5 million in salary and cap space which can be used to sign another player of essentially the same value. AK is not an part of the important core of the team and fairly easily replaceable, in my view.
    The second rounder is gravy. Additionally, the habs have 4 wingers on the top six in place. Bourque to me isn´t a sure thing, but then Gallagher looks like he might be able to be a top six, at least a top nine which is the role AK essentially had most of the year. Breaking in Gallagher also saves the team over 2 mil.
    The Habs could use all this freed up space to sign a tough D.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think given Gallaghers size, he should be given at least 1 full season in the AHL in order to get used to playing against much larger men compared to Jr. Hockey.

      To rush him in, is to hurt his development. To me Gallagher will be Gionta’s replacement.

      • rhino514 says:

        Agree about Gallagher. Still, AK is easily replaceable.

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          You have to remember though, outside of Eric Cole, anyone in recent memory who scores regularly scores 25 somewhere else scores 15 in MTL. Hang on to the guys that score 15-20 here and pay them accordingly.

          Lost a bottle of Kraken during this debacle of a season. Better gettem next year.

  23. PeterD says:

    Feels like we are entering our second season as of tonight…post deadline. No play-offs but the team can play the spoiler role…trying to win games to knock others out of the play-offs…the down side of that is the more we win the worse our draft prospects look.

    As for the Trade deadline…I think PG did about as good as he could…Let’s all be honest here, the basket of fish he had to sell and use as bait was sdmelling pretty old and well past it’s fresh and useful date.
    Getting a 2nd rounder for AK was pretty good considering the headcase he seems to be…yes he has skills and can play. But he only seems to do that when he wants to , not consistently. So what GM in their right mind would offer more for him that what we got. Too big a risk for a team loading up for a play-off run.
    Travis Moen could have provided us a 2nd rounder if he was healthy, but obviously his injury is more serious than a bruised muscle.

    I also had hoped we could have unloaded Campoli, Kaberle and Gomez, but seriously these fish really stink and need to be composted right away.

    If Markov is fixed and whole for next season, we will have no need for Kaberle and may be able to drop him over the summer. Campoli will walk after the season, and Gomez…the only hope for him is to waive him to Hamilton and leave him there or just buy him out…but that will be G. Molson’s call over the summer.

  24. Niflster says:

    I had written something long up earlier, but a site server error got it all lost during posting. grumble grumble.

    Maybe the draft choices will make us this summer and the next one, maybe not. I suppose only time will tell.

    Here is however a small piece as to what I believe is the problem with our team.
    I feel that (and maybe it has been mentioned before) that we’ve lost the winning mentality and gone to farming for other teams. It’s a sound short term business move but ruins franchises in the long haul.
    As a clear example of what is needed (again, in my opinion), we look to Sir Alex Ferguson of Manchester United, a team I love to hate.
    During his time with ManU, Luis Saha played this one game against Everton where he managed to score two goals for ManU in the first half. As he walked off the field and into the dressing room, he felt damn proud of all this, only to be ripped a new one by Ferguson for lack of skills and dedication.
    It’s that demand nothing but full perfection and at all times, especially when they are winning, that characterizes a winning team. I would love to see that from our management.

  25. Laramy87 says:

    If Kovalev were to pull a Jagr and come back to nhl to finish his career, do u think Habs should take a chance for a one year contract? He has said he loves mt

  26. ont fan says:

    Just wondering from you armchair owners:
    1. How many good GM”s are out there right now in the NHL.
    2. How many good coaches are out there in the NHL. No names just numbers. Just to see how easy this will be to fill our positions.

    • The Dude says:

      How many years do I have to put up with piss poor excuses (19 and counting!)

    • mrhabby says:


      Coachs …15-20 good ones i guess.

    • Mustang says:

      I am beginning to wonder if Molson really cares who is running the team or how the team performs. The reason that I say this is because for the next game, and the game after that, and on & on for the foreseeable future, 21,273 tickets will be sold for each and every game as well as lots and lots of beer at $10 a pop.

      • mrhabby says:

        he better care . his investors want a return on there investment. If its 1 city in the NHL that i believe fans will not stand for this crap forever its Montreal. Just before GG brought the team the barn was not sold out every night. Molson surely knows the history of the fickle, demanding fans.

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        Anyone who even posts this question is an idiot. Of course he cares. The playoffs are a pure cash grab for the owners. Players aren’t paid for the playoffs, merchandising goes up, seat sell at an inflated price…

        So, yeah, he cares… unless he is as much of an idiot as those who ask these sorts of questions.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hmmm good question. I think there are 2-3 elite GM’s, about 7-10 good GM’s. Then I think the dropoff starts to get significant. Just me coming up with numbers quick.

      Coaches, that is a much tougher question, will have to think about it.

    • cowellj17 says:

      What does it matter how many good GM’s or Coaches are out there??? Montreal can’t hire 99.9% of them because of the multilingual bull-shit

  27. MiltonHab says:

    Is anyone else of the opinion that Habs management has no game plan whatsoever moving forward? As much as all the hate for Gainey for the Gomez debacle at least ( at the very least) he always seemed to have a plan for the future. This clown Gauthier has no idea. Translating AK46 into a 2nd round pick…means what…that a 2nd round pick has between 25-30% chance of even making the NHL within 3 years. Hamilton has nothing and the Tinordi’s, Beaulieu’s and Gallagher’s won’t be seen for at least two full seasons.
    Gomez, Campoli, Kaberle are our future for at least two more seasons. Wow, pretty grim!

  28. H.Upmann says:

    @MattyLeg: definately the STL Blues look tough. They know their defensive game well and execute well. I couldn’t help but notice that even their offense have a certain level of execution that we just don’t seem to have.. I imagine Hitchcock must be a HUGE stickler for details. Halak definately benefits from having that kind of squad infront of him……. Interesting that Flames are your Habs-West, mine are the Oilers. If they could get good goaltending and D depth, they’ll be ready to make some huge noise…….. (hope Carey isn’t even thinking of EDM as a destination in his country-luvin’ head)

  29. Chris says:

    Yet again, I seem to have discovered the built-in post length limits that protect all of you from blowhards such as myself. 🙂

    Ugh…after many more attempts to shorten it until it comes out, I’ve given up. So I apologize if you get a slew of the same post in a little while…something is odd with the server, because it is now easily short enough that it should have posted without issue.

  30. mjames says:

    I have decided to weigh in on the latest fiasco orchestrated by PG. I would like to know exactly what was achieved yesterday. Did the Canadiens become a better team with the removal of AK46? Was this part of some overall plan or strategy to improve the team going forward? PG states that his objective was achieved yesterday with the removal of a streaky player. I do not deny that AK46 is a streaky player. I do not deny that he is frustrating player. Having said that, one has to admit that he is a career 20-goal scorer. If you look at our team we do not have very many scorers. Additionally AK is one of the better passers on the team. Does PG have a player who will replace AK46? Do not tell me that Travis Moen is the guy. Yes, I know he has had a carrer year with his 11 goals. Is Aaron Pulshai the guy? I do not think so. Is White the person? Is Darche the person? Is Geffrion the person? I do not think so. I know all these people play their hearts out and race around the rink with maximum effort. They also go nowhere and acheive little if any results in terms of scoring. All PG did yesterday was remove a 20 goal scorer. We need scorers but PG’s objective, as stated by him, was to effectively remove one.

    When PG made the Hal Gil trade, I was surprised by the return. It seemed overly generous on the part of Nashville. At the time, I had mentioned that a conspiracy theorist might think that Gil was only part of a larger trade. The theorist might question whether there was more to come. I would not be surprise that given what PG received in return for AK46, there was not some conspiracy at play. PG is known to lie. I would not be surprised if the Hal Gil trade was in effect the Hal Gil and AK46 trade for two second round draft picks plus some throw ins in the name of Gefferion and Slanery. The conditional pick, initially sent by Montreal, was included in case AK46 got hurt. When AK46 did not get hurt the conditional was returned. PG had to delay the AK46 leg of the trade until trade day because the “aggregate” trade was so one sided in favor of Nashville. Why else would PG trigger the AK46 leg of the trade first thing yesterday when everyone was still negotiating. Although the above is conjecture, it would not surprise me given the Machiavellian way PG operates. The bottom is the Gill/AK trade favored Nashville. PG was taken again.

    What is not conjecture, however, is the following:

    (1) As stated by Barry Trotz we gave Nashville the K brothers for nothing.
    (2) We gave away Grabs for nothing. By the way, the K brothers and Grabs represent some 60 goals a year.
    (3) We gave away D’Agostini for nothing (Pulshi is nothing as he is a career AHLer while D’Agostini average 15 to 20 goals a year)
    (4) We gave away Riberio for nothing. Riberio has averaged 20 goals a year since he left.
    (5) We gave away Higgins for nothing. Higgins is averaging around 12 a year for the past two years. This more than Darche, Moen, White, Pulshai, Desharnais, Eller, etc.
    (6) We gave away McDonough for nothing.
    (7) We gave away 7.5 mm in cap space for 5 years for nothing. I consider Gomez as nothing as his production has been zero. If you want to cite the Cammy and Gionta signings as justification for Gomez then we surrendered $18mm-in cap space for 50 goals (two years) a year although this year it is more like 20 goals.

    I can understand if a team loses and has to rebuild. If there is a good plan in place, I do not mind the losing or trading players for something decent in return that will help the team in the future. My point in highlighting the above is to illustrate the complete mismanagement of this team’s assets over the years. I agree with Red Fisher when he says this team is irrelevant. The other 29 teams ignore us and pick us over. We are a team with no strategy or purpose. The franchise is now an embarrassment. Senior management should apologize to the fans that have so ardently supported the team. PG, Gainey and Molson have abused the fans’ trust.

    I hope the team goes on a good long losing streak so Molson will be forced to terminate this incompetent dolt. Gainey should leave also. The fans are tired of his haphazard advice.

    I know those fans who call themselves the real fans will take issue with my comments but I ask them to forget the trees for once and look at the forest.

    PS: Who is Boone going to scapegoat now?


  31. Chris says:

    Two argumentative people can look at a grey object; one will say that the object is more black while the other will say that it is more white. By the time the dust settles, both sides are proclaiming victory, that the grey object IS black or white. Meanwhile, neutral observers question their eyes, because the object looks just as grey as it did when the argument broke out. Politics has denigrated to this level, where parties constantly look for ‘wedge issues’ that serve to differentiate one side from the other but at the cost of inflicting damage on one of our most important public endeavours as the polarization of every issue understandably disenfranchises and disgusts voters.

    On a website such as this one, we’re discussing hockey. There really aren’t too many cases where an issue is black or white…they are almost always shades of grey. Take the Andrei Kostitsyn situation, as an example.

    On one side, we have a group who will state in unequivocal terms that Andrei Kostitsyn was lazy, ineffective and completely undersirable, and they will point to the fact that Montreal could only get a 2nd round pick for him. They will point to his stats during his tenure in Montreal, demonstrating that he has never been more than a 20-25 goal scorer and thus that is all that he can ever be. They will point to his lack of playoff production and the overall decline in his statistics the past couple of years. A 27 year old cheetah isn’t likely to change his spots.

    On the other side, we have a group that point to his immense potential, the fact that he has scored 20-25 goals and therefore, in the right situation, he could undoubtedly score more. They will point out his ice time, revolving linemates and size as barriers to achieving his potential.

    As in most cases, I suspect that the reality lies in between. Andrei Kostitsyn is a good hockey player that, quite simply, no longer fit into the Montreal Canadiens’ plans. If he goes on to score 40 goals with Nashville, some people will feel vindicated in thinking we gave up on him too soon, while other will feel vindicated in thinking we didn’t give up on him soon enough if he continues to score 20 goals.

    The 40 goal argument is lazy thinking because it was pretty clear that he wasn’t going to do it in Montreal for a variety of reasons, some self-inflicted by Kostitsyn himself and others inflicted by a team that was never quite sure what it wanted him to be.

    The 20 goal argument is lazy thinking because fit is everything for hockey players. Martin St. Louis was 27 years old before he ever scored more than 18 goals or 40 points in his NHL career. Since that time, he has gone on to not score less than 25 goals or 61 points (and usually not less than 30 goals and 80 points). Why? Because he found the right fit.

    John Leclair, everybody’s favourite lament after Patrick Roy, was 25 years old when he was traded by the Habs. He had 1 goal in 9 games with the Habs during that season, but went on to score 25 goals in 37 games when partnered with Eric Lindros, a superstar center whose game complimented that of Leclair exceptionlly well. We’ll never know if Leclair would have blossomed to the same extend had he not been traded, but nothing he had accomplished thus far pointed in that direction and my money says that he wouldn’t have…he needed the right fit, and playing alongside Lindros and Renberg was that fit.

    Offensive players can’t produce in the NHL unless they are getting top-6 minutes, power play time and confidence from their coach to play their game and not worry about making the odd mistake. Playing with a linemate that creates opportunities or space is also important, particularly for a winger looked upon to score goals. Andrei Kostitsyn only very rarely enjoyed those perks during his tenure in Montreal. This isn’t to say that Kostitsyn is about to burst out and become a 40 goal, 80 point man in Nashville. That would surprise even me, and I consider myself one of the few fans that continued to like the frustrating Belarussian throughout his career.

    I’m going to content myself with wishing Kostitsyn well in Nashville. I feel like he has landed in a good environment, one where he can do his thing with a lot less media and fan attention, something an intensely shy individual like Kostitsyn will surely appreciate. He has a well-respected, no-nonsense coach to mentor him, and he has the presence of some talent (his brother, Martin Erat, Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, David Legwand and Mike Fisher) to help him rediscover the form that clearly faltered in Montreal.

    Apologies for the tome. 🙂

  32. third generation haber says:


    We are overanalyzing a 12 goal scorer because our team has been bad enough to make him seem important.


    Sorry to burst bubbles, but we are starting to sound like leaf fans.

    j.p. murray

    • Le Jadester says:

      Its more about the fact that we couldn’t develop our 1st round draft pick over a 4 year span. Someone needs to be held accountable for that. Plus the return we got in him was not good IMO. Poor business practice from our management team.

      Habs, OLE !

      • mrhabby says:

        have you read/heard the various comments from the media and other posts who say its was a fair trade involving a crappy team and a player who was not playing well… always 2 sides.

        • Le Jadester says:

          Agreed that there are many perspectives out there on the trade.

          My issue with all of this, is that after 4 years of having a player as talanted as AK all we could turn him into and flip him for was a 2nd rounder. Perhaps he was kept too long and he sould have been traded last year when he still had RFA status. Again IMO, it falls on management for mismanaging the shole AK situation. I also realize hindsight is 20/20 but they knew what they had in him when they signed him to a 1 year deal last summer.

          Habs, OLE !

  33. steve17 says:

    I have to admit, I was hoping that at least Campoli would be moved along with Kostitsyn. We could all go back and say what if, but that does not help. Sure, a lot of star players were drafted after Kostitsyn, but Montreal was not the only team to pass on them.

    Going forward, tha Habs have some better draft picks then they have had in recent years and Timmins is pretty good at finding talent. There are some players in the system that should help out in the not too distant future. We don’t hear a lot about some of them because they play in US universities.

    Someone asked why Leblanc was sent down and Geffrion was brought up. LeBlanc is a centre and with Pleks, DD, Eller and Nokelainen, not to mention White and Gomez, there are too many centres up and Eller plays much better as do his wingers when he plays centre. Geffrion is a winger. I hope he has a great game tonight!

    Let the kids play to see what they can do and use the off season to FIX the mess that was this season. Yes, there were a lot of injuries, but good teams find ways to stay competative.


  34. Bripro says:

    Timo’s gonna be pissed. MAB is injured. Hedman and Lecavalier aren’t playing either, as well as 4-5 others.
    The Habs need to show who’s boss tonight!
    I hope Team A shows up.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I hope so too!
      We’ll definitely need Hannibal to make the plan come together.
      Faceman can dress up as Rick Nash to throw the Bolts into confusion, while Murdoch skates circles around them barking.
      I don’t think BA Baracus will get on the plane, though.
      Even if he does, he’ll still be groggy from the sedative they put in his milk…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bill says:

      What do you mean? The Habs have been showing who’s boss all year!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  35. 24 Cups says:

    I noticed there was some discussion about Cole playing on the left side. I’ve wondered about that myself.

    Let’s be positive for a second. A year from now, Gallagher might be ready to play in the NHL and take a regular shift. That would mean we could have a right side of of Gallagher, Gionta and Leblanc, all right handed shots. That would allow us to move Cole (left shot) over to the left side with MaxPac and Bourque. It’s quite doable.

    You would also have to factor in that our #1 pick from this summer will be ready to jump to the club. That opens up options of moving guys like Eller or DD to the wing (if we draft a centre) or using Forsberg on the left side.

  36. Bripro says:

    Elliott Friedman’s thirty questions.
    Very little on AK. There’s more discussion on Pleks.

  37. Feraco says:

    Looking bad, I was ok with trading McDonough because at the time he was unproven and we had PK, Markov, Wiz etc.

    Now seeing that he was a big piece in trading for Nash…THAT stings.

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