Playoffs are a lock!

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The Hockey News has been publishing its season predictions online.
In the Eastern Conference, THN says the 15th through ninth spots will be filled by Ottawa, Florida, Winnipeg, the Islanders, New Jersey, the Leafs and Carolina.
That means THN has the Canadiens in the Elite Eight.

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323 Comments

  1. SyntaxLove says:

    Aside from from the Avs 9th place slot, I thought THN predictions were very reasonableand insightful. after trading away Stewart, Fleichman…(Fleishman? Fleischmann. Can’t remember that; have to ignore him forever now.) and Liles I think their offense is doomed. Their defence has no depth. Jury’s out on Varly but I doubt he can be the savior they’ll need. Anyway, I’d rank them around 14th.

    Completely agree with the Habs in 8th, although it should be competitive. Buffalo & NY both improved more than we did this offseason, in my opinion, and if both teams can remain relatively uninjured this year their forward depth is scurrrry.

    Chinchillin’

  2. Everlasting1 says:

    This is just freaky/uncanny over here in TO..getting some rain and there’s this non-stop lightening flashes every few seconds, from every direction. Going on for half hour now. There’s thunder as well, but I’ve never witnessed this much lightening activity in all my years.

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    “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Bill J says:

      Maybe “they’re” coming for you, and you should go wave a big metal rod at the skies to direct “them” to you.


      If you want a days count till Habs hockey, I recommend this as your home page: http://bit.ly/mTnegr

      Go Habs Go!

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Yea, I’m Thor. It’s what I do.

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        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • Curtis O Habs says:

          People without knowledge mock others. Bill will understand soon enough.

          • Bill J says:

            Who are you to judge my level of knowledge ? Do you even know what you’re talking about ?

            No!

            Because you’re defending someone who believes A collective group of Aliens are our God.

            Curtis, I recommend you heed your own advice, and don’t put your nose where it does not belong.


            If you want a days count till Habs hockey, I recommend this as your home page: http://bit.ly/mTnegr

            Go Habs Go!

          • HardHabits says:

            I have nothing against our resident Alien Web Mythologist’s beliefs. It’s his need to profess them here. Obviously Sergio has social issues and has problems understanding basic principles of belonging to a group. Something the collective of extra-dimensional beings understand.

            Let’s put it this way. Sergio doesn’t belong here and he doesn’t belong with his Gods either.

            Problem is Bill, you feed him.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            HH, it’s time for you to be a productive member of society. Find a job already, and stop relying on social services. You’re a burden to the taxpayers.
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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • GrimJim says:

          If you’re Thor, try Rub-A535…

  3. HardHabits says:

    Driving 1.1 MB/s in a 30 kB/s zone.

  4. 24 Cups says:

    I went to see Jimi at the Cow Place at the CNE way back when. Seats by the side of the stage, a surreal experience to be sure.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bng3agUOYiI

    “There must be some way out of here” said the joker to the thief
    “There’s too much confusion”, I can’t get no relief”

    Here come the thunderstorms…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qRJIBtbc2c

    I’m just driftin’ and driftin’…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3LEhfbKCSc

  5. With Markov and Cole, this team is now the Top 3 favourite.

    Too easy.

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  6. Bill J says:

    Imagine if THN ranked the Habs as #1, and the Habs were reverse jinxed out of the playoffs ? This site would blow up for sure then!

    If you ask me, I prefer it when the Habs are the underdogs. It makes them work harder, they’re a proud bunch the group that BG & PG put together.

    If you want a days count till Habs hockey, I recommend this as your home page: http://bit.ly/mTnegr

    Go Habs Go!

    • HardHabits says:

      Not me. I’d rather see the Habs establish themselves as a contender amongst the pundits and stay there for a few years, not just meeting the expectations of all prognosticators but also winning a Cup or two along the way. That’s what I’d prefer.

  7. GrimJim says:

    If The Hockey News has eliminated Montreal from the bottom 9 to 15 places in the East, what are your predictions for where The Hockey News will place the Canadiens?

    I say 7th

  8. Un Canadien errant says:

    ****Fantasy football alert- New League- New Draft Time*****

    Some of you said the time I chose for the Live Draft wouldn’t work for you, and apparently the password didn’t work, so I have created a new league.

    Draft is on a Friday September 2, 10 pm Eastern, 7 pm Pacific.

    To join, go to http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football

    Create an account if you don’t already have one, then click on ‘Join A League’. Search for this one in Private Leagues by its name or its draft time. Password to join is ‘markov’. No capitals or anything cute, so hopefully that works.

    11 spots, first come first served.

    League Name Habs Inside Out
    League Type Private
    Draft Date September 02, 2011, 10:00 PM ET
    Draft Style Live Draft
    Member Count 1 of 12 needed to draft – more info
    Password: markov

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    For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  9. Ian Cobb says:

    2011 HAB FANS SUMMIT NOV 18,19. INFORMATION.!

    About 130 of us this year!
    Some have their own game tickets but will be joining in on the festivities. A few from the US, the Maritime s , B.C , Alberta, Ontario. Two from Calif.

    First, your pre-season tickets and your Summit Rangers game tickets are in the mail. I also put your free Hall of Fame tickets in with your Rangers game tickets. Do not lose them, they can not be replaced.

    2nd, To get the reduced hotel rate, book asap and ID yourself as being with HIO or use my name. Everything is 2 min. from the Novatel Hotel. Tel :1 514 871 2138

    3rd, We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. Some of us will be having supper there. Go to the 2nd floor where Sherri and Tim will give you your name tags. Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    4th, Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    5th, We walk over to the Bell Center for the tour. 10:30 or 11:00am.

    6th, Bring your donation gift (1 per person please) for the Children’s Foundation raffle at the Baton Rouge rest. at 3pm. After the raffle we have our pre game dinner. We are hoping Mr. Stubbs comes through and has a few players drop by for a visit. No pressure here! Then we walk across the street to the game.

    7th, I have confirmed today that the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celibate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to the kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO family.
    See ya there.

    Ian
    (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

    Hotel regular rates are $139 and $149. BUT!

    Our HIO special rates are as follows.
    Hotel rates.single $119, Double $119, Triple $144, Quad $$169

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    • Ian Cobb says:

      Questions about the childrens foundation raffle, and what to bring!

      Some people pick up items at the Bell Center after the tour. Or they bring from home.

      We have had hockey card collections, some valued at $2000. Pairs of Hab’s season tickets for a certain game. Signed sticks, pictures, books, Hab’s sweaters, Hamilton Bull dog sweaters. shirts , jackets. anything and everything.

      If each Summit game ticket holder brings an item, everyone gets to take something nice home as a memento. Everyone gets to pick there own item when their number is called.

  10. Jdub1985 says:

    amazing … one of the greatest sports dynasties in the world celebrating a preseason prediction of 8th seed for a 15th straight year … congrats Montreal congrats

  11. 24 Cups says:

    Rumour on the street has it that Kim Kardashian wore over $15M in diamonds when she said I do (for now).

    Why did I bother to post this useless trivia? That’s basically what we’ll be paying our top line to play this year.

    in other news, we’re under a tornado watch here as people are being advised to bunker down in their basements. I’ve just opened a bottle of ridiculously priced vino as I settle in with my golden, Faith, to watch the Golf Channel.

    Bring it on.

    • JD_ says:

      Interestin’ coincidence.

      Rumour on the street has it that Kim Kardashian wore out our $15M top line the night before she said I do (for now).

      Good luck on the other front.

  12. Bill J says:

    Why do people go ape wild and attack on a personal level when offended here ?

    Come on! It’s a f-ing hockey site, sometimes it’s slow on the hockey news. So “different” discussions come about. Can we not have intelligent conversations, without aggressive confrontations every time one topic is sensitive… Alien Web Evangelists excluded, on those have at it as far as I’m concerned.

    Not taking sides, other then to ask people to settle down with the personal stuff. Go for a walk if you are that angered.


    If you want a days count till Habs hockey, I recommend this as your home page: http://bit.ly/mTnegr

    Go Habs Go!

    • Everlasting1 says:

      No personal stuff here…(rolls eyes)

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      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Bugs says:

      Who you callin an APE, man?! Why, I never, in all my years..!
      MODS!!!

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HabFab says:

        Bugs old buddy…those recipes calling for a PINCH of the herb mean a pinch…not a pound.
        And please quit giving any of the h@$#brownies to ELO…interferes with his meds.
        Thanks from all of us!

        • Bugs says:

          Sorry, but that reads like something it took you all day to come up with, mate.
          If you’re gonna lay in to me, is it too much to ask to get sumpin clever, ferpetessakes? Doesn’t have to be overly-complicated either.
          “Hey, Bugs, you know what? You remind me of CABBAGE, man! You know why? Cuz I HATE cabbage!”
          C’mon, not the lame high-school re-treads dead and buried 40 years, please…ain’t too much to ask, I think.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  13. Ian Cobb says:

    Questions about the raffle, and what to bring!

    Some people pick up items at the Bell Center after the tour. Or they bring from home.

    We have had hockey card collections, some valued at $2000. Pairs of Hab’s season tickets for a certain game. Signed sticks, pictures, books, Hab’s sweaters, Hamilton Bull dog sweaters. shirts , jackets. anything and everything.

    If each Summit game ticket holder brings an item, everyone gets to take something nice home as a memento. Everyone gets to pick there own item when their number is called.

  14. Everlasting1 says:

    Anyone have an american $20? Try this trick..

    http://youtu.be/_yuluW2P1RA

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    “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Let me guess, it’s that thing with the aliens supposedly on the bill?

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we want.” – Conspiracy Theorists everywhere

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Mexicans? No.

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        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • HFX-HabFan says:

          That wasn’t funny.

          On another note, tell me about the inclusion of Scripture in your sig; why that specific passage?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            You’d find the scripture’s meaning funnier if you knew.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HFX-HabFan says:

            So you don’t want to answer me?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            You wouldn’t be interested..I’m a conspiracy theorist. “I see things as I want.”

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Talik Sanis says:

            I don’t know why he doesn’t just explain, but, long story short, that verse clearly shows that God is collection of alien beings who returned to space so as to join a larger conglomeration of alien beings, after forming the basis for almost all human religious myth. Really man; it’s self explanatory.

            Also, they will return one day to judge the quick and the dead, or something like that.

          • Bill J says:

            Walk away from this one HFX… He will only drive you to insanity (AKA becoming a Blues fan)


            If you want a days count till Habs hockey, I recommend this as your home page: http://bit.ly/mTnegr

            Go Habs Go!

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Talik, you’ve gone beyond the scope of the passage. It simply exemplifies the existence of multiple ‘gods’, a hierarchy, and the idealistic differences among them.
            Isn’t that hilarious?

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • GrimJim says:

            @Talik Sanis
            So will EL1 be waiting longer for his alien overlords to return…
            or for the Blues to win a Stanley Cup?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            GJ, not waitin’ on anyone, anything.. – Spirituality 101.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HFX-HabFan says:

            So what I’m seeing E1 saying is that this text points to multiple gods?

            I think a quick look at the Hebrew in this particular passage would suggest that the word used here for “gods” is referring to either “angels” or other “heavenly beings”, (similar to other OT references), or even powerful human rulers at the time.

            I don’t think it refers to multiple “gods” that are equivalent to the one true God. That’s my interpretation, based what on the ancient text/root word says.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            In Hebrew, Elohim is plural – gods. The translation is the same in sumerian. You’re reading ‘biblical scholars’ erroneous translations.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HFX-HabFan says:

            I know “Elohim” is plural in nature, but it carries a singular connotation (not an expert on this, but I have read that many Hebrew words are similar).

            The God of the Bible is not made up of multiple deities, despite what sumerian texts might say (not that I’ve ever read any, nor do I intend to). But like the 9/11 conspiracy theory hogwash, this likely isn’t the forum for such a conversation, so I’ll probably stop posting responses in this thread.

          • Talik Sanis says:

            ‘Twas just a little bit of fun.

            I was, however, under the impression that you hold that extra-terrestrial beings served as the inspiration for the Hebrew creation myth. This is, of course, in opposition to the predominant explanation for the plurality of the creative force in that narrative, which generally attributes that plurality and the references to “the deep” to the text’s association with, inspiration by, and response to the older (Babylonian etc.) creation myth involving Tiamat.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Is this your GOD?
            http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090401073843AAGK3hu

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            I do. They were all extra-terrestrials. The belief in multiple gods is the ‘myth’ part.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HFX-HabFan says:

            Not going to be baited by that link, simply going to dismiss its contents as being taken horribly out of context. It’s sad that so many people get hung up on specific passages of the Bible and twist them out of context rather than seeing the entire canon as one complete text.

          • Talik Sanis says:

            To be fair, a quick glance at your link shows me that many of the quoted texts derive from the Prophets’ predictions in the Tanakh for the punishments for Isreal’s disobedience (really reflections from the post-exilic period on the manufactured justification for the Chosen People’s suffering). Moreover, the majority of the other passages are taken out of context (they were intended as a relation of events -a narrative as in 2 Kings- rather than a command or prescription ) or a lament, as in the Psalms and, quite aptly, Lamentations.

            All told, it forms a weak argument as to the sinister nature of the Judeo-Christian God. There some examples that should give a believer pause to consider and debate (some of which are actually accurately presented) but one can never argue with a believer as to the morality of anything that a deity does, if the believer accepts the premiss that ethics are completely dependent on the dictates and actions of their God.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            You want more links? lol
            Enlil brought the Deluge, destroyed Ur and Babylon, and obliterated the cities Sodom and Gomorrah. Wrathful enough for ya?

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_13a.htm

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • punkster says:

            Gardner again?

            Wow….just wow Mr Demigod.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HFX-HabFan says:

            Still lacking context.

            And, from what I know of him, this Gardner chap was a Dan Brown of a different generation.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          The bible also refers to angelic/ethereal beings, or demigods.

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          “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HFX-HabFan says:

            Is that why you previously called yourself “demigod”? Are you an angel?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Typo, AND. Demigods and angels not the same. ie. Gilgamesh was a demigod, Michael an angel.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Talik Sanis says:

            You’re referring here specifically to the Sons of God and the Nephilim of Gensis 6, I assume?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Sons of God could have been either full-blood or part blood (human intermarriage). Nephilim were part blood, hybrid.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Chorske says:

      I just folded one and got “20ntyDlrs” and a VERY sad-looking George Washington. Why would you want to make George sad?

      • Everlasting1 says:

        It must be a newer $20 bill.

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        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • GrimJim says:

          Ah, but “20ntyDlrs” in Ancient Sumerian translates to “Nyah, nyah, we have 20 more chromesomes than you do!”
          (of course that’s using Google Translate so it may not be completely accurate)

          • Everlasting1 says:

            We have some here who can’t translate my sig..in plain ole ENGLISH.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Chorske says:

        Hee hee, just actually looked at a twenty and it’s not George WAshington- it’s RANDY JACKSON! How embarrassin’, dawg.

  15. caladin says:

    It’s gonna be fun to see cole take off with a Markov patented outlet pass.

  16. caladin says:

    @Bugs
    This isn’t funny anymore. Your anger is misdirected and has no place on this page.
    Furthermore you are not an expert on this issue, as you have been honest and clear about so please stop forcing a debate that’s years old and completely unrelated to this site.
    Take it elsewhere for the love of hockey.

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Seconded

    • Bugs says:

      1) Wasn’t funny in the first place. Did you think it was funny beforehand? Weird…
      2) Angry? Not angry. That interpretation is your own.
      3) Not forcing anything. Didn’t start any thread. Only answered to Clay for supporting me and Bipro for attributing unfounded claims to me.
      4) Not “years” old. Issue of prime importance with upcoming anniversary.
      5) You’re not in communist Russia anymore, Cally. You’re in Canada. Welcome. We have this thing in Canada called free speech. You’ll get used to it. But what it basically means is that I can say what I want when I want how I want where I want and to who I want as long as I’m not hurting anyone or inciting hate.
      6) There’s this list on the side of the page we call “HIO Rules”, also something you might not be used to in the Kremlin. I will copy/paste them for you: “Hockey Inside/Out encourages lively debate, but there is a zero-tolerance policy regarding racism, profanity and behaviour that we deem to be offensive. ”
      Now, if you feel I’m being racist or offensive or using any form of profanity, I encourage you to let the moderators of the site know about it and I’ll be sure to receive some sort of warning or something (I don’t know; never got one before).
      Ok?
      Great.
      Soooo until then, you’re just gonna have to tough it out, komrade. Slip into some nice jeans, put on a Beatles album and tough it out.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • caladin says:

        Classy bugs.

        Just remember-wherever you go: there you are.
        -Buckaroo Bonzai.

        • Bugs says:

          Picture yourself on a boat on a river…hmm-hm-hm, hm-hmmmmmm-hm-hm-hm…
          Aw heck, now I’M puttin it on!
          …with tangerine trees and marmalade skiiiiiies…
          Dabro pazalavat! Welcome to Canada, Cally!
          Somebody calls; you answer quite slowly, hm-hm-hm-hm-hm-hmmmmm!

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Propwash says:

        I wanted to carry on our convo via private message as to not continue cluttering the boards, but that feature isn’t available.

        • Bugs says:

          Well, Proppie, you know I like you, so I’m quite content leaving it at your last word that flying a Cessna is the same as flying a Boeing 757. (nevermind that he sucked at the former but was a god at the latter)
          Regards.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Bripro says:

        Are you still on about this? I guess you didn’t heed my suggestion to take a valium….
        And my comment spoke mostly of your relentlessness.

        • Bugs says:

          And I suggested you learn how to read, Bipro. Yet here we are as well.
          You will notice that, conventionally, REPLIES are as “relentless” as the threads that spark them. As one reads more and more on forums, one begins to discern what we usually call a discourse, or a dialogue, or a debate, or something of the sort, an exchange of ideas and information, but habitually, it involves more than one person. It STARTS somewhere and PROCEEDS from there.
          For every action, Bipro, there is…
          How does that go again?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          You some kinda Berkie-hybrid?

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          “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Everlasting1 says:

      “This isn’t funny anymore.” – I think that’s hilarious!

      ——————————————————————-
      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  17. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …for Those yet to listen to Randy Tieman’s Larry ‘Big Bird’ Robinson interview on Montreal’s Team 990 web page, please do
    …Larry sounds like an iconic ex-Hab with a serious ‘hole’ in His heart
    …Larry made it very clear how important it is to finish His career with some sort of association with Our Habs, whether in operations, as a coaching consultant or ambassador
    …to Those, like Myself, Whom consider Larry Robinson as a beloved integral icon of Our Team, I ask yourselves to take the time to e-mail or write a letter to Geoff Molson to realize everything in His power to employ Larry ‘Big Bird’ Robinson in ‘some’ capacity after this last year of His 2 year contract with the New Jersey Devils
    …as per, …Dear Geoff, get-off Your oblivious duff and MAKE SURE Larry Robinson is part of Our Habs again by the 2012/13 season !
    …(otherwise Geoff ? …Your name will be ‘mud’ with a considerable number of Our Habs’ Fanbase if You don’t !)
    …an advanced ‘thanks’ to those Habs’ Fans and ‘Big Bird’ Fans that agree and will take the time to do so

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  18. Fox says:

    trying out the avatar

    It works

  19. Ian Cobb says:

    2011 HAB FANS SUMMIT NOV 18,19. INFORMATION.!

    2011 Summit We R Fans

    First, your pre-season tickets and your Summit Rangers game tickets are in the mail. I also put your free Hall of Fame tickets in with your Rangers game tickets. Do not lose them, they can not be replaced.

    2nd, To get the reduced hotel rate, book asap and ID yourself as being with HIO or use my name. Everything is 2 min. from the Novatel Hotel. Tel :1 514 871 2138

    3rd, We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. Some of us will be having supper there. Go to the 2nd floor where Sherri and Tim will give you your name tags. Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colours! and enjoy the evening.

    4th, Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    5th, We walk over to the Bell Center for the tour. 10:30 or 11:00am.

    6th, Bring your donation gift (1 per person please) for the Children’s Foundation raffle at the Baton Rouge rest. at 3pm. After the raffle we have our pre game dinner. We are hoping Mr. Stubbs comes through and has a few players drop by for a visit. No pressure here! Then we walk across the street to the game.

    7th, I have confirmed today that the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celibate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to the kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO family.
    See ya there.

    Ian
    (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

    Hotel regular rates are $139 and $149. BUT!

    Our HIO special rates are as follows.
    Hotel rates.single $119, Double $119, Triple $144, Quad $$169

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  20. Neutral says:

    not to put markov down and he’s a big part of success for the team having said that should he go down the Habs did good without him before and they’ll do it again if need be. they don’t quit when a player goes down they have more pride than that.

    • shiram says:

      The thing is the Habs can most likely better with him healthy in the lineup, than with someone else replacing an injured Markov.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      That is enlightening. I figured most athletes would just pack up and quite when one of their best players is injured… no? Well, maybe those that play doubles tennis…

      Dude, Markov was an ironman until his last two knee injuries. One was from Price’s skate and one from an awkward check into the boards (which was re-injured last year shortly after his return). There is no reason to believe he will be injured if he is indeed 100% ready to go.

      Please, stop with the doom and gloom around Markov. This is the second day now of forecasting an injury to one of our elite (or formerly elite and soon to be elite again) players.

  21. caladin says:

    Spacek looked bad by the end of the playoffs. We all know he was overworked, and we now know he can’t handle that.
    I’d be surprised if he doesn’t do a great job with limited minuites though. As a #5 he’s excellent. If things work out and he’s #7 that’ll mean we have one of the deepest bluelines on the game.

    • diehardhab says:

      I really hope Weber can beat out Spacek in training camp.

      The torch be yours to hold it high!

      • naweed235 says:

        unfortunately there is 3.8 million reasons he wont … as stupid as it sounds, it is almost ridiculous sitting a guy with that cap hit in today’s NHL…

        • diehardhab says:

          People have been paid larger sums of cash to sit in the AHL..

          The torch be yours to hold it high!

          • naweed235 says:

            he is on a 35+ contract… he is not going to the AHL

          • shiram says:

            Sending him to the AHL would reduce his cap hit by 100k$, what a quirky rule.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • bleedhabs81 says:

            @ naweed

            I don’t think the point of the previous post was to send him to the AHL.

            He was just stating bigger contracts have been moved to worse places than the press box.

            I agree that if Weber beats out Spacek he should get a spot. The money is spent already, might as well win with the best product possible.

            Knowing JM though, he will use Spacek regardless

        • Mark C says:

          They won’t play a 36 year old, in the last year of his contract over a 22 year old, just because he has a high cap hit. Your point may hold in a case like Gomez, but Montreal won’t sit a player with a long-term future for one whose out the door at year end, unless Spacek is better than Weber.

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Instigator Rule – Someone Explain to me Please?
    Why do people believe that the instigator rule is the cause of so much.
    Firstly, It hardly ever gets called.
    Secondly, If a team really believes that an injustice was taken out on their team and that by fighting the individual all world order would then be back in place, tell me a team that wouldn’t be willing to take a 2min. minor to get such rectification!

    I call BS on this Instigator being blamed for all things.

    Why do the only 2 professional leagues in the world that encourage bareknuckle fighting in the middle of a game originate in Canada.

  23. diehardhab says:

    Need some technical help.. How can I change my avatar?

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  24. diehardhab says:

    Remember a year ago all of the insanity that ensued on these message boards when the Habs traded Cedrick Desjardins? LOL

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  25. HardHabits says:

    I’d like to see 3 new rule changes:

    1) disallow hand passes in all zones including the defensive zone,

    2) create a new line at centre ice, call it let’s say the red line, and make it that teams can’t be ahead of it when receiving a pass from their defensive zone,

    3) don’t give an extra penalty to the player who throws the 1st punch or starts a fight.

    I think these radical new ideas would change the game considerably and make it almost palatable for all Canadians to watch, although I fear many in the Southern States would have difficulty understanding them.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Jack Edwards for starters would not understand them.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      * No blindside hitting. i.e. if a player can’t see you you can’t hit them. Period.
      * No fighting. Whatsoever. Any punch whether gloved or bare handed leads to automatic ejection.
      * No pushing and shoving after the whistle. Once the whistle blows you cannot make contact with an opponent.
      * Any illegal hit resulting in head injury leads to a minimum 20 game suspension. The team must continue to pay the suspended player, and this counts against the cap.

      • prankstergod says:

        i agree with all of that with one minor change – instead of the team paying the player, that payment is donated directly to the nhlpa pension fund or support fund for former players or an appropriate selected charity AND still counts against the cap for the team

      • GrimJim says:

        Totally agree with your number 3. No more face washes, no more of those Pronger-type extra crosschecks after the whistle, no more Marchand throwing five punches at Sedin “because he felt like it”. That rule change would go farther towards cleaning up the game than a ban on fighting would.

      • HardHabits says:

        You forgot tutus and little teeth on the hockey skates.

      • shiram says:

        All things that would help in showcasing the game of skills and speed, but there’s no way the League would want that.

        I really like the after the whistle bit, it seems to would help alot in keeping tempers calm.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • G-Man says:

      1. agreed- hockey should be played with a hockey stick.
      2. disallow 2 line passes- that stops the long bomb.
      3. actually, I would like to see the following penalties added to fighting majors (fights are nothing but a waste of time unless it is a player “defending” his teammate)
      a. unsportsmanlike conduct
      b. delay of game
      c. intent to injure- 10 mins and a game +
      d. review by league officials.
      It’s 2011, not Roman gladiator days. You want to see fighting? Watch boxing or UFC. Want to watch a hockey game instead? Implement these extra penalties. 2 “fighters” died this off-season at very young ages. The unnecessary crap in the game has to stop.

      • HardHabits says:

        1. we agree, temperature in Hell a balmy -3 Celsius.
        2. watch the CFL and NFL if you want to see long bombs.
        3. you might be surprised to know that International hockey is my favourite over the NHL not just because of the level of play but because of the lack of pugilism, however the staged fights exist because of the instigator rule and they never happened prior to its inception.

    • Malreg says:

      Another rule I’d like to see: A puck can be directed in by a skate intentionally or not, as long as the skate stays on the ice.

      Skate must stay on the ice for player safety… Don’t want players kicking out skate blades at a puck when the goalie is down on the ice.

    • Bripro says:

      I agree with all except #2. That will slow the game down.

    • Duracell3 says:

      I’d like to see slashing someone’s stick in half when they’re on a breakaway become a penalty again. Call me old fashioned.

  26. Bripro says:

    On an unrelated, I took that family to see Lion King at Place des Arts last night. It was great. I recommend it for all ages. Rafiki was a blast!

  27. naweed235 says:

    here’s my kool-aid Prediction on this upcoming season:

    Cammi – 40 G 25 A
    Pleks – 26 G 40 A
    Cole – 25 G 20 A
    Gomez – 15 G 50 A
    Gio – 30 G 20 A
    Pacioretty – 25 G 20 A
    Kost – 20 G 20 A
    Eller – 15 G 25 A
    Desharnais – 15 G 30 A
    White – 5 G 15 A
    Moen – 5 G 10 A
    Darche – 10 G 15 A

    Markov – 15 G 30 A
    Subban – 18 G 30 A
    Emelin – 8 G 16 A
    Georges – 4 G 15A
    Gill – 3 G 8 A
    Spacek – 7 G 15 A
    Webber – 8 G 10 A

    We will finish this regular season with 102 pts good for a 2nd spot finish in the East.

    Cheers to that!

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Extra tangy flavoured lol

      ——————————————————————-
      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • krob1000 says:

      with 294 goals we should assure first place overall let alone the conference provided Price can stop a beach ball……last years leader (canucks) scored 262.

    • Bripro says:

      I like your prediction.
      But, not enough points for AK or Eller, and way too many goals for Gill.
      I’d reduce that number by at least 33%.

    • JoeC says:

      We change coach and i didnt hear about it? These numbers are insane if you think JM can do it!

    • Timo says:

      So, do we need to double Gomer’s salary?

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Me thinks someone has some pretty rosey glasses on.

      I would love for you to be Celia Brown and all these predictions come true, but really, they are all pretty inflated. Gorges 4 goals, Gill 3 goals, Spacek 7 goals… 6 players over 20 with 5 of them at 25+

      Sorry man, but I need a few more breakfast beers before I will buy into these.

      … I guess that is why you called it a Kool-Aid prediction?

      • naweed235 says:

        yup … kool-Aid it was…
        but I think if we have a healthy team all season long (knock on wood) these numbers are within the realistic spectrum of each players potential… Ofcourse it’s not a perfect world and based on the defensive system JM plays these numbers will probably never happen next season… but If you take each player alone … I think they are more than capable of putting up those numbers… heck , don’t you think gill can knock in a couple of floaters from the blueline ?

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          Anything is possible…. but history would be against you on that one.

          I do think they are all achievable (except Spacek), but I also think they are all “best case scenarios”… which makes it hard accept them all happening this year.

          There has to be some players that are down or sub par.

    • krob1000 says:

      Cammi – 36g 32a
      Pleks- 24g 40a
      cole- 22g 23 a
      gomez 11g 42a
      gio 24g 19a
      pacioretty 18g 14 a
      andrei 21 g 22 a
      eller 12g 24a
      dessy 11g 27a
      darche 8g 12a
      moen 4g 6 a
      white 4g 6a
      trotter 3g 6 a
      palushaj 4g 5a

      markov 11g 42 a
      subban 17g 31a
      webber 6g 13 a
      spacek 4g 14 a
      gorges 4g 11a
      gill 0g 6a
      woywitka 1g 3a

      245 goals good for top 3rd of league instead of bottom 3rd…which shouold help quite a bit.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Kool-Aid indeed. 3 goals for Skillsie is outlandish optimism.

      ———————————
      For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I replied before reading the responses, love that so many jumped on the Gill prediction. And everyone seemed to downplay his goal production with love in their hearts, not as recrimination.
      ———————————
      For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Gomez 15 and 50? I’m booking this so I can come back and torment you on Christmas day when he’s 2 and 10. :-)

      Gomez might get 50 assists – if he plays another 2 or 3 years and actually tries.

    • Sharks9 says:

      That would be fantastic, but unfortunately it’s highly unrealistic.

      25 before 14

  28. slamtherimtim says:

    Nothing to do with hockey , but i just got back from the Gouin Resorvoir , rented a house boat , for a week and would reccommend it to everyone , it was a blast ,

    • Everlasting1 says:

      How was the fishing? Surely you tried your luck for pike, walleye.

      ——————————————————————-
      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  29. scrowe21 says:

    Sooo.. NHL12 demo blows. Anyone else try it?

    • shiram says:

      No, but I pre-ordered the game, what’s so bad about it?

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • scrowe21 says:

        Same. Still looking forward too it.. but the demo was a let down.

        New physics are not that great. Results in a LOT of awkward falls that make no sense, especially with goalie contact. Replays are rushed and now have new sound effects that makes every shot sound like an arcade game from 10 years ago. Its harder to get nice goals this year (ex.nice wrister or snap shot entering the slot or off the circle) Most goals are scored pointblank infront of the goalie or terrible point shots that shouldn’t go in. Fighting still blows and all the players on the bench still disappear. New skating is awkward. Long story short there is more cons added than there is pros this year.

        They added quite a few new player faces, but im willing to bet Plekanec and Markov are still generic bald dudes.

        • shiram says:

          I skip a year usually with the NHL games, so there will tons of new stuff for me.
          Hopefully it’s still an good couch coop game.
          PLay on PS3 BTW if anyone else wants to add me as a psn buddy
          Id is : shiram

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • scrowe21 says:

            Ahh well im sure you will enjoy it then. Still a really fun game, just disappointed with some things.. I’ll add you tonight when I get off work.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Physics are Bad? Things falling awkardly which make no sense, replays are rushed and incomplete?

          Sorry but this has all the trappings of a conspiracy theory. You should stay away from this game it appears!

          • shiram says:

            What he forgot to mention is that he played a game with a team full of Pouliot.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • RGM says:

            POST OF THE DAY! Hats off to you, sir!

            During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • naweed235 says:

      ah that sucks to hear… I really liked the 2011 and found it to be the most realistic one so far in terms of degree of difficulty scoring etc…
      P.S it seems like in the last couple of weeks not a lot of ppl are playing NHL 11 online anymore… if anyone is down for a good game add me up: navid235

      • colin_nowra says:

        Are you on PS3? Can’t find you on x-box

        FuzzyBunny360 is my 360 account, I play a lot of COD but i’m willing to put in some NHL 11 online. I’m not very good against random players so i don’t enjoy it, I spend a lot more time on Be a GM mode.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      I was very impressed, considering my expectations for the EA sports NHL series. There were many tiny improvements, which is all I can hope for here. The greatest of these is the modification of the artificial intelligence. It is noticeably better. This is especially true in Be a Pro, where your teammates will no longer lob passes to you when you are covered, and are not quite so prone to overpassing the puck until they turn it over. Defensive AI is far more reactive as well. They do actually seem to read plays before they happen, rather than responding to them.

      The ability to sim through to your next shift is a very welcome addition, even if it is a very small one.

      To me, the physics feel better as well. Jostling for the puck seems more realistic, and you are no longer knocked off your feet, loosing control of the puck, so easily. You can be bumped and jostled, but still maintain puck control, especially if you are in control of a larger player. Here, a man’s size and weight seems to matter in terms of puck possession.

  30. JD_ says:

    Forgot to mention that, in the article, Lemaire suggested Lafleur should be booted out of the HHoF.

    Nah, he didnt’ really do that, although it would have been cool in a Trainspottin’ kinda way.

    Which leads me to today’s trivia question: Which current or former Habs are no longer on speakin’ terms and why?

    There’s the obvious Lafleur/Lemaire and Roy/Douchebag, for reasons well-known, but that list is far from complete.

    Up next: HI/O tackles Roe v Wade.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I’m going to guess that Koivu and Kovy don’t exchange xmas cards.

      • Bripro says:

        On a completely unrelated note, I was going to try your restaurant suggestions last night, but RabidHabsFan had suggested another, The Fung Shing, and claimed the best General Tao in the city. My wife’s fav, so we tried it. Way too much MSG. Very good soup though.
        I’ll make sure to follow your advice next time.
        And I see that Bugs hasn’t been on today to spread conspiracy theories.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          If you like real Sichuan style cooking there are two outstanding examples of it in Montreal. One is on de la Gauchetiere and Clark but I can never remember the name, but the better one is on Guy just below Sherbrooke. Cusine Szechuan.

          It’s as good as the good stuff I had in Beijing (of course Beijing is not in Sichuan province but it’s the closest I ever got). You need to like spicy food.

          Don’t go to the notorious Niukee on Clark. It used to be fabulous but it changed owners and is not as good.

          • JD_ says:

            Maison VIP?

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            I have not been there though I hear good things. However I was referring to authentic Sichuan style cooking, which is very new to North America. What used to be called Szechuan (i.e. General Tao chicken) while tasty was a very different kettle of (sliced) fish *.

            (* The glory of Sichuan cooking is sliced fish in an oily broth with about 100 hot peppers and Sichuan peppercorns, which cause numbness on the tongue but are very fragrant. They do it very well at the place on Guy. Another great dish is Mao’s favourite: braised pork belly in hot sauce, which my wife won’t eat because it’s so fatty – and is actually from Hunan like Mao himself. Anyhow, I can’t recommend Cusine Szechuan on Guy highly enough. )

          • JD_ says:

            It’s on Clark. Thought you might be hintin’ at it.

            The best thing about VIP is it seems to be open at all hours of the night. I’ve gone there at the strangest times and eaten.

            Small place – like Schwartz’s, you do sometimes share a table with strangers – with plastic tablecloths and generally indifferent service.

            All part of the appeal.

            And the food is excellent and reasonably priced. The menu is an adventure. Great duck. The shrimp is sometimes underwhelmin’.

            Enjoy it so much, I used to take clients there. Not what they were used to. Heck, I’ve even taken a few HI/O types there.

            I’m also quite keen on Maison Kam Fung. Crab claws are otherwordly.

          • HardHabits says:

            I wouldn’t recommend V.I.P.

            Mon Nan Village across the street is the place to go.

        • Bugs says:

          I spread NO theory. Only commented on FACTS.
          To say I spread theories yesterday means you either can’t read properly or you’re a liar.
          Which is it?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Bripro says:

            You’re right. It was factual. However, you have to admit that you were a definite pitt bull on the subject. Relentless.
            And if you had any sense of diplomacy, “liar” would not have entered the conversation.
            You have to learn to lighten up, or take a V5.

          • Bugs says:

            So you ADMIT I was being factual and you were therefore lying about me spreading theories?
            Thank you.
            I’m done with this witness, Your Honor.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • krob1000 says:

      Gomer and Sergei K

    • 24 Cups says:

      JD – Lemaire couldn’t even tie up Lafleur’s skates.

      Backstabbers should keep their frackin’ mouths shut.

      • JD_ says:

        I seem to recall your Lafleur jersey from a couple of Summits ago, 24C.

        Am I to take it you don’t have a Lemaire one?

      • HardHabits says:

        More like the other way around. How many of Lafleur’s goals came directly off of Lemaire’s stick? Given the choice between the two I’d take Lemaire any day.

        Lemaire is by far the more complete player not to mention hockey mind. All Lafleur can do these days is make little quips like “quatre quatrieme trio”. Total fail Mr. K.

        • G-Man says:

          More like how many goals did Lafleur create out of nothing or a broken play?
          Dissing someone who scored 500+ goals is kind of lacking in sand and grit, don’t you think?

          • HardHabits says:

            I am not denying that Lafleur was a prolific scoring machine. 6 consecutive 50+ goal seasons is nothing to scoff at. Nevertheless back in the day as a young boy growing up watching the Habs I always preferred Lemaire over Lafleur particularly because Lemaire was not just a better two way player but there was a late 70’s play-off run, I forget which, where Lemaire scored those clutch goals that mattered in a game. Lafleur in my opinion floated around the ice while Lemaire was grunting and digging up the puck, or basically covering cream puff’s derriere. Even the famous PP goal on Don Cherry’s Boston Bruins too many men on the ice penalty was set-up by Lemaire. Plus the public adulation turned me off big time. What I always loved about the Habs was the team identity. And that’s one of my beefs against the Koivu Era (notice how I said Koviu Era and not Koivu), but that’s a story for another time young padawan.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Lemaire was a good player but he would not have made the HOF on another team. Lafleur is a God. Before Pat Boutette wrecked his knee he was quite simply the best player on the ice almost every game he played.

            To suggest that Lemaire was a better or more useful player is nuts. It’s like saying Glenn Anderson was better than Gretzky.

            Lemaire knows a thing or two about coaching though.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Well put HFS72!

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Leave it to HH to tell it how it is.

          ——————————————————————-
          “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • HabinBurlington says:

          HH, wow, you really would take Lemaire over Lafleur! Come on you have to be Trolling!

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          Lemaire was a star. Lafleur was a superstar. Cased closed AFAIC.

    • G-Man says:

      Roy and Schneider-
      Chelios and Ronald Corey
      Scandals and Conspiracies and Cover Ups! Oh my!

      Tomorrow, HIO posters uncover the truth about….blondes!!!

    • shiram says:

      Got me wondering if there is any beef between Price and Halak…

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • JD_ says:

      Speakin’ of Lemaire, I have this card among my ’70s OPC hockey card collection.

      Always thought it was kinda strange. Accordin’ to a Kevin piece on EoTP, OPC eklunded a trade that had Jacques headed to the Sabres.

      • you have one of those? wonder how much they go for now?

      • HabsFanInTampa says:

        I still got the exact same card in mint condition. I kept it all these years because I thought it would be worth something. I remember seeing something about it on CFCF Pulse News on this trading card. Apparently it was a mistake by OPC. How can I check the value of the card, anyone?

        • JD_ says:

          Given the card was uncorrected by OPC, it does not possess the element of scarcity and, therefore, does not carry any premium value.

          You can pick it up on ebay for under 10 clams.

          • HabsFanInTampa says:

            Thanks, JD. I think I’ll keep it then for nostalgia. I was 9 or 10 years old when I bought a pack at the depanneur and this card was in it. I’m now pushing 50. OUCH!

          • JD_ says:

            Great memory of walkin’ into a dep, at about that age, with 2 bucks in my pocket and walkin’ out with 20 packs of cards, good for 160 individual cards.

            No Ton O’ Gum®, no Fun Dip®, no Bottle Caps®, just a pile of effin’ hockey cards.

            Flour-coated, cardboard-flavoured gum straight into the garbage and a rocket ship straight to hockey heaven.

            Good times.

          • HabsFanInTampa says:

            10 cents a pack with eight cards and gum. Good times indeed! I still remember the Depanneur. it was on the corner of Dudemaine and O’Brien, I think it was a Perrette (or something like that). It had a blue sign with old milk jugs as it’s emblem. I was going to elemenatry school in the third grade at Transfiguration Of Our Lord (or something like that). LOL.

          • JD_ says:

            Ah, yes, Perrette, the place you could buy the sugary drinks in those 4 litre plastic milk bags. Provi-Soir took them out in the late ’80s.

            My hockey card crack den was a Cantor’s in the Blue Haven strip mall on boul. St-Jean in DDO.

          • HabsFanInTampa says:

            My crack den in DDO in the early to mid 80’s was the Marina Dance Bar right on Lac St. Louis.

          • JD_ says:

            Well, technically, the Marina was Pointe-Claire. It’s all good.

            Addin’ to that list, there was The Pioneer (Beat The Clock was epic), The Mapes, The Edgewater, Shawn’s, Annie’s, Cheers, and Le Residence and Manoir, both of which are still around.

            And, durin’ my John Abbott days, The Ceilidh.

            Speakin’ of Abbott, my eldest daughter started there on Monday.

            Talk about gettin’ old.

    • i have it on good authority that stephane quintal and patick poulin no longer talk, something about a serving glove patrick discovered in his 12″ italian BMT

    • savethepuck says:

      I seem to remember Grabovski not getting along too well with the Kostitsyn brothers. Wonder if they are on talking terms now when they play on the Belarus National Team

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  31. cuzzie says:

    Ever hear a player say I’m going to have a crappy season.

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

    • Chrisadiens says:

      How funny would that be?! Imagine Gomez having this big press conference and then announcing that.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      Actually Alex Mogilny once said exactly that when he was playing in Toronto. Something along the lines of “you know, I feel real bad this season, I doubt I’ll play very well”.

      He played fine from what I remember – the reporters were always slow to pick up on his deadpan humour.

      He was hilarious.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Mogilny was a very sharp guy. He would toy with the Toronto media all the time. I can honestly say he is a leaf I cheered for. Probably the first since Sittler for me.

        Edit: I really should say Liked not cheered for. Please excuse me for that.

  32. HFX-HabFan says:

    Hmm, you know what might help liven up today’s discussions on HIO and get us through the lunch hour?

    It seems HIO’s been missing a good conspiracy theory lately…we need to really “think” through things…”do our duty” as humans, you know?

  33. HabinBurlington says:

    So Matt Cooke is saying we will see a different player this year, or at least a different kind of bodychecker. Was not aware of the issues he faced off the ice regarding his wife’s health last year.

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_753051.html

    • Not a fan of his style of play. The NHL can do without Ulf,ugh I mean Cook.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Sholi I am no fan of his either, I also don’t post the comment on his wife’s health with any excuse for his behaviour. Found the article interesting, that now after what his 3rd/4th? cheap shot head shot, he finally took the time to “learn” how to hit clean, yet still says he never meant to hurt anyone. Okay, so you admit you are having to learn how to hit clean. Does that not mean you know you were hitting dirty earlier?

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I 100% agree this is not his first dirty hit….there have been many.the health of his wife is sad but can be not be looked at as the cause of his on ice play.
          I think the journalist is trying to make Cooke look better and make and portrait him in a different light.

          You can put whip cream on a turd and it still doesn’t taste good

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agree, bought some shite store bought pie the other day put whip cream on it! Boom still turd…..

            Went to a farmers market the next weekned, bought a nice fresh pie and voila, whip cream only made it better.

            Cooke is a store bought crap pie, but Pittsburgh still thinks they found him at the farmers market!

  34. likehoy says:

    that great shape that cammalleri’s in better encourage him to go to the corners for once!

    – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  35. Timo says:

    Of course playoffs are a lock – we have Gomez, duh!!! I can’t wait to lock a playoff spot. It is such an achievement, afterall.

    • Considering there are 30 teams and not 21 or 12 or 6, it is a huge accomplishment to make the playoffs. However most fans don’t understand that and still think that Canadiens of the 70’s can still be built in this day of salary cap and fame.

      Be happy you have a tea,m that makes the playoffs every year, and be REALLY happy you weren’t born a Leafs, Bruins, or Flyers fan.


      The 2011 Summit

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      • shiram says:

        Well, if 16 teams make the playoffs, and there are 30 teams, the majority of teams will make the playoffs, in that sense, it does not seem like such an accomplishment.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • Timo says:

        I agree with the second part of your post. For the first part, we have to agree to disagree. If people want to consider making playoffs an accomplishment, that’s fine. I consider winning the cup (at least once in 20 years) an accomplishment. I still maintain that this team doesn’t have it what it takes to win the cup neither in terms of players, and most definitely in terms of coaching and management. So I guess in the end of 2011-2012 you will be satisfafied with what they’ve accomplished and I will be… well… not satisfied.

  36. JD_ says:

    For those in need of a translation, an interestin’ take by Lemaire on the PP tweaks the league is examinin’.

    As most already know, what’s currently bein’ considered is twofold:

    * Icin’ is called on the PK.
    * The penalized player remains in the box for the entire two minutes.

    As I noted last week, my only problem with this is it is way too much. I believe penalties will ultimately end up determinin’ the outcome of too many games, meanin’ the refs’ influence on the game will go up dramatically. Sometimes, more is less.

    Although he doesn’t mind goin’ back to the pre-Beliveau system of players always sittin’ out the full two minutes, Lemaire makes the point that killin’ a penalty by clearin’ the zone, whether or not the puck is iced, has always been a fundamental part of the game and should not be changed.

    Instead, what he’s suggestin’ is that the league consider enlargin’ the O-zone on the PP. In simple terms, the red line becomes the blue line. He didn’t go into the granularity of how it would work, but the general notion’s not bad.

    Not bad at all.

    And it doesn’t turn every PP into a potential goal-fest.

    Of course, Pednault had to do the “why the league doesn’t pick Lemaire’s brain is beyond me” thing. Just for that, next time I’m over at Yvon’s for a backyard party, I’m gonna hover around his BBQ. He’ll figure it out pretty quickly.

    Edit: For clarification, my impression is Lemaire is sayin’ the PK would have to clear the puck beyond the red line before the PP has to clear the zone, not necessarily that the PP can play anywhere inside the red line; i.e., seems he still wants the PP inside the blue line and that this rule change would simply allow it to retrieve the puck between the blue and red lines without fear of an offside. He didn’t go into details.

    • punkster says:

      I’m for anything that lessens the influence the officials have on the results of a game aside from forcing them to enforce the rules. All the rules. At all times.

      And I take mine medium.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • krob1000 says:

      that is how roller hockey worked (not pp but all play) and also how many ball hockey leagues operate. It is fine but at times you almost get a Lacrosse type of feel because that allows the offense to spread out and try and suck a defender out….by backing up too far if you have a guy with a cannon they can get free at will to bomb away from just a few feet further….if they go out to challenge the defenders know too much time/space is available down low. Instead you get defenders basically forced to hold their ground where they would normally play under current system. It eliminates the picked off blue line pass for the breakaway attempt which IMO is one of the most exciting and momentum impacting moments in the game.

      There are pros and cons and I have long flip flopped on this issue having played my share of Roller hockey and ball hockey. It adds offense but it is a diff’t type than we are used to…..imagine 5 on 3 under current system how much room is at teh top of the zone…it would be that plus up top and results in a lot of perimeter play 9maybe we bring Samsonov back? lol sorry 24) until the perfect moment arrives…when those attacks happen they do result in more scoring BUT…..like I mentioned it is like Lacrosse scoring and to me anyway, takes a little something away from the goal in many cases….much like 5 on 3 ‘s do now.

      • JD_ says:

        Personally, I don’t see any reason to make any changes to the PP. There are enough goals scored and penalized teams end up wearin’ down a handful of players.

        If however, the NHL is serious about tweakin’ the thing, I’d prefer to see somethin’ like this, somethin’ that rewards offence, rather than callin’ icin’ on the PK, which penalizes the defence and will lead to too many whistles.

        For clarification, my impression is Lemaire is sayin’ the PK would have to clear the puck beyond the red line before the PP has to clear the zone, not necessarily that the PP can play anywhere inside the red line; i.e., seems he still wants the PP inside the blue line and that this rule change would simply allow it to retrieve the puck between the blue and red lines without fear of an offside. That’s why I mentioned he didn’t quite go into the granularity of how it would work.

        • krob1000 says:

          That is a decent compromise with just ahving to get the puck out past teh redline as opposed to expanding the zone…..Would be inteesting to see guys defending sprint to a puck to get it out but witht he established pp all having to clear the zone again would it really help? not sure..I can’t read the article but I have heard the floating red line thing before and assumed that was you meant.

          I am fine with things the way they are…instead of tweaking the rules re the pp I think I’d prefer the tweak the rink size and add more width and area behind the net. The more defenders have to turn their backs on players the more chances result if you have a pp that is motion based. This is a huge reason we have been successful under Muller as he puts the puck in positions constantly where the d is blind to someone who is attacking a space and if I had to guess I would suggest he has trained his players to act as soon as a defender is forced to take a look….much like you are taught to attack a retreating d moving one way tot he other side, etc. We have a very active and more importantly cerebral group that have played our pp to such perfection….sure it always appears we use a neandrathal rocket from the point (because we do) but freeing that shot up is a result of a lot of motion and teams having to respect all of our options…Imo this is what Gomez lacks on the pp (Gorges too for that matter when we see him there) as he is not a threat to shoot and takes away one option and defenders just play pass.

          I don’t really know because to me it isn’t the game that has to be changed…..in many regards it is the innovations in equipment, nutrition, the evolution of the game …..unfortuntaely a hockey rink itself is a limited space and can’t adapt back. Either change the size of the rink, further limit the use of large goalie equipment which in turn means that one piece sticks would have to as they force the enhanced equipment to be used.

          I know nobody wants to say it but this, but a lesson they could take from baseball would be on the equipment. They know they could increase the longball and hitting (hockey equivalent to scoring) with aluminum bats in a heartbeat…but they don’t because the impact is rather dramatic 9as was teh one piece stick)….and I don’t think the NHL fully understood how much a simple allowance of a an evolved stick would change the game…IMO it has. Of course guys are bigger, stronger, faster,etc….and that is most definitely a huuuge factor (also should be addressed with increased surface) but to me the first step in taking back hockey and reducing injury that results from rock hard equipment, offense that is lost by massive goalie gear,etc …is to simply ban composite sticks, from there move on to softening the gear in combination with a larger surface. If they truly want more offense, want less injury these are IMO easy solutions that aren’t really changing the game aside from the widening of of the rink…they in fact should please all old schoolers are they actually stepping back to the game as it was…..kudos to baseball for not going aluminum.

          • JD_ says:

            They are lookin’ at shrinkin’ the depth of the nets by 4″ in order to enlarge the area behind the net.

            Interestin’ you bring up the sticks and goalie equipment. Lemaire mentions he thinks it’s nuts that at the same time shots are becomin’ more lethal with lighter and more flexible sticks, the league is still tryin’ to shrink goalie equipment.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Thanks. It made no sense in Google Translate.

      Edit: I think the best way to experiment might be to lengthen the PP to 2.5 minutes. Seems simple enough without having to play with other rules.

  37. shiram says:

    People from the South Shore, boil your water, there might be E. Coli in it.

    http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110824/mtl_water_110824/20110824/?hub=MontrealHome

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  38. BONZOHABS says:

    I don’t understand why some of the ppl commenting here are saying that there’s no exception except for the Cup. Fair enuf, it’s what every player, fan and team wants in the NHL. But in today’s NHL with the salary cap, It’s good just to have a solid competitive team. The Capitols and the Canucks have been “Cup Faves” but they didn’t win. Habs in 2010 weren’t supposed to go to the ECF, but they did and surprised. I believe the Habs are the most underrated team in the East. Habs do have a lot of ????? but so does every team because of the “intangibles”. No one knows and that’s why we speculate all summer long. I really like the roster the Habs are going into the 2011-2012 season with and if things work out, we can be a Cup contender. Who knows. What ever happens, I am happy to know that the Habs have a competitive team with a mixture of youth and vets that play a skillful, fast game. One thing that will be added by beginning of season is a depth center. We need one I think. Go Habs Go!

    • Chrisadiens says:

      +1

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Chorske says:

      The standard reply will be that given the team’s history of excellence, anything less than a Stanley Cup amounts to mediocrity. As far as some HIOers are concerned, EVERY YEAR the Habs must either make dramatic moves to go for all the marbles, or tank and get high picks (presumably this somehow guarantees future success; someone should tell Edmonton and NYI about that). Every single year. And nothing drives them more crazy when Bob or Pierre get up in February and say “I’m comfortable with the team moving forward” because this is tantamount to accepting mediocrity.

      Needless to say, I disagree with those posters, and I fully agree with your assessment, which is that in the modern cap-limited NHL, every team wants the Cup, and none of them are going to stand aside and make the Habs’ path to glory any easier. And the players who do come here aren’t going to take a pay cut just to wear the CH and be treated like demigods one day and get booed off the ice when they hit a dry spell. For my part, I am happy if the team wins more games than it loses, everyone works, the room is good, and they make their way through the playoffs as a tough opponent playing with dignity.

  39. HabinBurlington says:

    Testing new avatar

  40. RetroMikey says:

    Well, they predict we make the playoffs, but can we go past the third round and make the finals?
    If not, it will be a disappointing season again!
    I want the Cup! No excuses!
    My prediction? A 7th place finish with a healthy lineup.
    We have voids and cracks to fill and are no better than last season with or without Markov in the lineup.
    But Emelin will be the surprise idol this year and don;t know if Subban will have the 2nd year blues or not with our team. Time will tell.
    Sad to say, Boston is the team to beat this year again!
    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • sauster says:

      Hopefully no 2nd year blues for Subban. I agree about Yemelin and it’s just too bad fans don’t appreciate making the playoffs unless it’s for a cup….
      I just wanna watch some good hockey! Let’s just be happy we have a competitive team!

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    • Chorske says:

      See, BONZOHABS? This is a classic example

    • Jordio-oh says:

      I disagree with your assessment on what a ‘disappointing season’ is. Maybe it is because I’m part of a generation of Habs fans that aren’t accustomed to winning the Cup four years in a row. To me, if the team plays up to the level that is expected of them by management and the people who actually know the well enough, then the season is not a disappointment. I feel bad for the fans who possess the all or nothing mentality because it seems like they can’t derive any enjoyment from the team unless they win it all. Make no mistake, the cup is everything. But at the same time, I’m able to enjoy a season without winning it all. It’s similar to life in general, take in all the positives, enjoy them and block the negatives out. The deep run we made two seasons ago was incredibly enjoyable for me, despite not winning the cup.

  41. HabFanSince72 says:

    19 guys.

    6 defencemen, 12 forwards, one goalie.

    19 guys with little steel blades on their shoes.

    Come on. Are you kidding me?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I see you are trying a different lure, looking to get a real bite. Your last spinner had some nibbles it appeared. Good luck, hopefully you can that big Carp which is currently quiet at the bottom of the river.

  42. punkster says:

    Good article by Stu and one that should be required reading at the NHL head office. Of course someone would have to actually read it to Buttman.

    Gary, show some balls. You don’t have to take fighting out entirely. Just tell the officials to make the calls they’re ignoring today then beef up the rules to reduce the head shots, cheap shots and dangerous plays by heavily penalizing and/or banning those who don’t adhere.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      What the medical community has to do is to get the evidence on head injury out there, and make sure the league can’t deny knowledge of it. Once that happens they are at risk of future lawsuits.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      It”s summer. Holidays. Takin’ it easy. When the networks show more reruns than usual and other stuff gets recycled, like this, from last October, speaking of concussions and lawsuits (you have to read to the very end for that. Sorry) … Okay, enough with the new bit. It’s back to the vacation (I’m perfecting the vacated look. Coming along better than the tan).

      Submitted by JohnBellyful on Fri, 10/22/2010 – 14:15.
      All this talk about concussions, here’s a suggestion to cut down on head shots: Six-inch spikes on helmets (colour-co-ordinated, of course). The kind capable of slipping through vents or shattering shields. Might get players to think twice about taking a run. And it would make face-offs and battles along the boards more interesting as the players vie for control of the puck like stags rutting.
      Alternatively, you could attach audio devices to players’ helmets. As soon as a player was struck in the head by a stick, elbow or shoulder, or driven into the boards, a loud ‘Kaplooie’ would sound or ‘Cheapshot!’ or some other sound effect more to the liking of fans based on the suggestions of focus groups.
      There would be no arguing over the infraction, the penalty would make its own call. You could even have the device announcing anywhere from ‘One Game’ to ‘10 Game Suspension’ depending on the severity of the blow as determined by pressure sensors. Makes a much sense as some of the punishment now being handed out by the NHL.
      Or you could have the athletes come to their senses and realize that, in addition, to jeopardizing the career of a fellow employee (of the league, not the team) they run the risk of triggering a precedent-setting workplace violence lawsuit in which the NHL and players’ union would be named as co-defendants for not doing more to protect their employees and members.
      Yes, hockey is physical but some of these hits are criminal in the assailants’ disregard for the victim’s safety, and certainly grounds for civil action by a maverick injured player frustrated by a system that could do more to protect the long-term health of its most valuable assets.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      If all these “staged fights” were removed, that alone would make a huge difference. I am not a supporter of fighting in hockey, but I see where there are some instinctive fights that occur and have less issue with these. The problem is when a team like Toronto last year would be play Nashville. You knew Colton Orr would fight Wade Belak, these fights accomplish nothing but end the careers of two players who shouldn’t have been in the league to start with.

  43. JF says:

    I loved the piece on Cammy. It sounds as though he’s not only in great physical shape, but as though he’s always taken his conditioning seriously, refusing to be deflected by those who consider him a bit of a nutcase about nutrition and fitness. He’s absolutely focused on being in the best possible physical shape and will do whatever it takes to get there. I really hope he has a great regular season to go with his superb playoff performances.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      35+ goals for Cammy this year. I can just feel it. Its going to be a fun year!

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • shiram says:

        It would be a time for him to fufill the great hopes rested on his shoulder since being signed with the Habs. I always had the feeling we could expect more out of him.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Chrisadiens says:

          He’s been amazing in the playoffs, so he has fulfilled some hopes I would say. That being said, it would be nice to see him have a breakout regular season.

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

          • shiram says:

            My expectations on Mike, if he can remain healthy, at least 30 goals and 30 assists. The guy put up two 1ppg season, and I think expecting at least 0.75ppg from him is not too far fetched.
            His playoffs stats are great for sure, but if he performs better in the regular season that might help in securing a better playoff spot.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Too bad Gomer hasn’t had this same attitude over his career. Sounds like he has this past offseason, which hopefully helps get him back on track.

  44. caladin says:

    @mike31
    I agree that our D seems less surefire than our offense. I’m guessing though that PG will wait to address that until after the start of the season or at least training camp. We have some cap space, once we have a better look at the new guys, and maybe a few games on the new knees then I can see a trade.

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    CBS Sports WebPage has a poll in their NHL section asking if people want to see a ban on Fighting. So far 86% say No. Mr. Bettman will continue to answer to his clients in the US who want to see heads rolling all over the ice.

  46. Neutral says:

    I think the Habs put together a pretty good team. as far as where they finish in the Eastern standings injury’s will decide that
    the first, second third lines if they get it together looks pretty good, the fouth line is a run and chase line don’t see much scoring there, the defence looks good, goaltending no problem barring some serious injury’s we should have a good season, maybe just maybe one of the last two teams for the stanley cup….

  47. mike3131 says:

    I’m not overly thrilled with the way our blue line is shaping up. I’m impressed with the addition of Cole and the depth that we have at forward, however, on the back end, we lost experience and stay-at-home, 2-way ability in Hamrlik, and we lost grit, aggressiveness and offensive skill in Wiz. I don’t think we found a valid replacement(s) for the losses of Hammer/Wiz.
    Our depth chart for our D probably looks like this (not IMO):
    #1 Markov – LH
    #2 PK – RH
    #3 Gorges – LH
    #4 Gill – LH
    #5 Spacek – LH
    #6 Yemelin – LH
    #7 Weber – RH
    #8 Woywitka – LH
    #9 Diaz – RH
    #10 Nash – LH
    #11 Mitera – LH
    There is way too much uncertainty surrounding this defense corps. As was the headline yesterday, what if Markov/Gorges go down again? Or what if Yemelin gets in JM’s doghouse/doesn’t perform up to expectations? What if Gill wears down? Can Weber become a regular that plays a defined role at the NHL level?
    If one of the above were to occur, that would force guys like Spacek to be overplayed – and we all know what happens when Spacek gets overplayed too many games in a row (see playoffs 2011).
    That is why I was hoping PG could get a legit top-5 defenseman since July 1st. We are obviously thousands of leagues deep on D in terms of prospects, but as I’ve mentioned, there is a large gap between our top 4 and our #5-8. The FA market is obviously thin at this point, but we can still trade. The name Cory Sarich came up in my mind. He still has some racetrack left (age 33), he’s big (6’4, 207), a RH shot (something else we could use) and finishes hits with aplomb. And no, he’s not a “goon” because he can play a regular shift; he was 6th among Flames in average ice time, averaging 17:52 per game and was a +11 on a non-playoff CGY team.
    I would be willing to trade anyone (or two) from #7-11 (most preferably #5 but that would be a long shot) and (maybe) a 3rd-7th pick (depending on the player) for Sarich – we shouldn’t have to give up too much to acquire him. He could be the “stay-at-home” defenseman everyone here is talking about. Adding him to our D would be similar to the Cole addition to our offense. He would provide depth – a “safety net” (in the case of injury or underperformance), experience (a Stanley Cup), size and aggressiveness.
    I put a lot of emphasis on depth. We all know that you have to have a deep lineup in order to go somewhere in the playoffs. I’m impressed what PG has done to address the lack of offensive depth, however, I think there is still room for improvement re. our defense.

    It’s not about the size of the dog in the fight; It’s about the size of the fight in the dog.

    • MathMan says:

      The way I see it, the Habs’ defensive corps is their strongest suit — it’s got both a strong top end and a lot of depth. It’s quite possibly the best unit in the conference. Having two genuine #1 D-men is a luxury very few teams have. And having a bottom pair for Spacek-Yemelin (a guy who’s at least borderline top-4, and a guy who’s projected to be a #3-4 D-man within the year, if not outright to start it) is excellent — there are a fair number of teams where that pairing would be the second pairing.

      Yes, if there’s a disaster and half the top-6 goes on IR, it will struggle. But there is no D unit in the NHL for which this is not true. Therefore, we are forced to argue that every NHL team has way too much uncertainty surrounding their defense corps… And not all teams have Montreal’s depth to cope with the disaster scenario.

      • mike3131 says:

        Spacek is a 6th-7th D at best. He is a deer in the headlights whenever he goes into the corner to retrieve the puck and his offense isn’t useful anymore. Him and Yemelin would be a second pair on a team that is tanking. Don’t get me wrong about Yemelin though, I’m excited about that guy, but we can’t get too excited. Yes he has potential, but can he be a top 4 guy THIS YEAR?

        It’s not about the size of the dog in the fight; It’s about the size of the fight in the dog.

        • MathMan says:

          “Spacek is a 6th-7th D at best. ”

          He’s significantly better than that. The problem is that he faces tough competition and tries to move the puck — which leads to the occasional turnovers. But there’s a reason Markov would routinely lead the Habs in giveaways. You’ll never look bad facing middling competition and systematically clearing the puck by bouncing it off the boards, but all those so-called “safe” D-men are doing is buying time, as clearing off the boards invariably hands the puck back to the opposition. Spacek looks bad because he makes, and sometimes fails, plays that many other better-looking D-men won’t even attempt due to lack of skill.

          Evaluating D-men by “eyeballing” them is fraught with peril because:
          1- context is not often considered
          2- a percentage of passing plays invariably results to turnovers, and turnovers stick out, so passing D-men invariably look worse than they are as opposed to D-men that merely clear the zone
          3- physicality is overrated, especially over defensive positioning
          4- good defense isn’t typically spectacular, so occasional “ugly” plays (i.e. aesthetics) will overshadow many minutes of quietly solid play.

          As for Yemelin, two diametrically opposed commentors (Pierre McGuire, of TSN fame, and Corey Pronman, the prospects guy of the statistically-oriented Hockey Prospectus) point to him as an above-average top-4 D-man. We’re talking about a seasoned vet with several years of experience in a tough league, not a raw rookie. He may not start as a top-4 D-man, but every indication is that he will get there by the end of the year. And, right now, this guy is slotted 6th in the depth chart, with a legitimate NHL D in Weber waiting in the wings.

          • mike3131 says:

            “Spacek looks bad because he makes, and sometimes fails, plays that many other better-looking D-men won’t even attempt due to lack of skill.”

            Actually, Spacek looks bad because he OFTEN fails those “plays that other better-looking d-men won’t even attempt”. He also pinches at the worst times in the offensive zone, can’t shoot anymore, can’t skate, can’t handle the powerfwds of today and leaves guys wide open in front. He blocks shots when will breakup the occasional play, but come on! Spacek’s days are coming to an end and the only way he can be useful is if his workload is reduced and plays a 6th-7th d-man role. That is why I think we need another experienced d-man (like Sarich would be perfect) that CAN handle the workload of a 4th-5th d-man.

            It’s not about the size of the dog in the fight; It’s about the size of the fight in the dog.

          • MathMan says:

            Sarich is not a bad player, but Spacek faced significantly tougher competition at evens and drove puck possession almost as well. Spacek is very probably better than Sarich at this point, at least in terms of how effective they are at evens (as opposed to whether they look like they can skate, hit, shoot, etc.); at worst, it’s close, and Sarich can’t play the power play.

            How quickly we forget that Spacek formed an effective first-pairing with Hamrlik in the first part of the season. It’s only natural, though, that what sticks out in people’s minds is him trying to pick up Sopel’s messes after coming back from injury.

          • mike3131 says:

            “Spacek is probably better than Sarich at this point”

            Are you kidding me? I respect people’s opinions but you can’t even compare the two! If PG offered CGY a 1 on 1 Spacek for Sarich trade, Feaster would laugh and think PG’s crazy!
            First of all, look at them on paper:
            Sarich is 33, Spacek is 37. Sarich is 6’4 and Spacek is 5’11-6′. Spacek was a +9 on a 6th-place MTL team, Sarich was a +11 on a 10th place CGY team. Spacek blocked 90 shots and Sarich blocked 109 shots. Sarich won a cup with Tampa in 04′, Spacek never won a cup.
            Now what they bring to the table: Sarich can dominate the physical game (175 hits) and drop the gloves if necessary. Spacek doesn’t hit nealy as much (61) and can’t fight (see his fights against MacArthur and Boychuk). Sarich is sound defensively, can win battles in corners and clear the front of the net. Spacek can’t box guys out in front, and as I’ve explained, is a deer in the headlights whenever he goes into the corner.

            “… and Sarich can’t play the powerplay”

            Your saying Spacek CAN play the powerplay? I don’t think 3 PPPTS is very good for a guy that is supposed to “play the powerplay”. Besides, we already have PK, Markov, Weber, Yemelin and maybe even AK who could play the point on the powerplay so I don’t think we need a PP QB. And I had nightmares of when Hamrlik and Spacek played together.

            It’s not about the size of the dog in the fight; It’s about the size of the fight in the dog.

    • Neutral says:

      Hockey is full of what if’s–you have to go with what you have you could bring in Sarich–what happens should PK and Markov go down–it’s a game of hope–you need a good farm system where you can fill in and you wouldn’t have to worry should this happen–PG seems to be stacking the Bulldogs pretty good, hopefully these guys can do the job when called on.

    • krob1000 says:

      i agree …it is really too bad Wiz got so much money because he was the perfect bridge there. I am assuming has a ton of confidence and did their homwork on Yemelin…although I understand he could be a bust…he is a seasoned pro and could potentially walk in here and be our number 3 by the midpoint of the season. He is that good…in the KHL, so how well he adapts to the narrower rink, the more physical play and life in general is going to be important. People think of him as a one way dman but I suspect with his European training and KHL experience that he is well schooled in the art of puck protection and will be a pleasant surprise in that department. Again the rink size becomes a bit of a factor but he has a some pretty good tools and I think will be better offensively than we think…..26 pouints as a dman in the KHL is pretty good for a tough and physical presence type of guy who is known for his shutdown role. The work ethic that is apparent and the skillset are very intriguing and I am hoping our pro scouts just know waaay more than we think and this guy is going to be as good defensively as Gorges but better offensively and bigger.

  48. Clay says:

    Loved the 911 discussion thread yesterday – haven’t got that much enjoyment out of this site since the playoffs (before the Habs ouster, of course!).
    Since HFS72 refuses to let this die (see below), I thought it (un)wise to throw my hat the fray.

    First, @ Bugs – see my sig below? Congratulations for not falling into this category. You have stumbled upon an ugly truth (albeit later than most in this instance), and chose to confront it head on, while most just ignore the evidence and buy the official BS line. Like they did when Kennedy was killed…Oswald the single shooter indeed :roll:

    Something you said got me to thinking – what you wrote was something along the lines of that this investigation must be (re)opened ‘for the sake of humanity’. Some scoffed…most were indifferent at best. However, I agree with you on this wholeheartedly – which leads me to what it got me to thinking of, which were the famous words of Dante Alighieri – “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality.”

    911 was certainly a time of ‘great moral crisis’ if ever there was one – and if it was a test for humanity as a whole, we failed miserably. It’s a shame more people don’t care about the truth.

    I’m not saying I know for a certainty what happened on 911, but there are mounds of evidence that strongly suggest that the official line is a load of crap.

    __________________________
    Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.

    Winston Churchill

    • adam76 says:

      what in the blue hell is this garbage about?

    • kempie says:

      I’ve really been trying to stay out of this but this post is very well put. I agree 100%.

    • Chorske says:

      HIO mods. Might be time to crack the whip here a bit?

    • Bugs says:

      Yeah, I was late to the party. But then I saw WTC7. And the official report was obviously a crock of hooey. So I was forced to look at the rest. And it is now also obvious that this terrible crime was not investigated with the seriousness it deserved.
      Most importantly and damning of all, there is THERMITIC RESIDUE in ALL the WTCs’s dust, interspersed with microspheres of iron. That is a FACT.
      Unexploded nano-thermite particles found also. FACT.
      There was MOLTEN STEEL in the rubble, the last fires of which were put out FOUR months later. That is a FACT.
      70 000 tons of concrete PULVERIZED. And that’s BEFORE it hit the ground! Pulverized in mid-air! FACT.
      Explosive projecta up to 300 yards away. FACT.
      IMPOSSIBLE for fire to produce ANY of the above. Impossible. FACT.
      But COMPLETELY consistent with a controlled demolition using incendiary and explosive charges. PERFECTLY consistent.
      These are incontrovertible facts that we can ALL ascertain with our own eyes and reason, whether I’m late to the party or not, mind.
      To follow science in this case however attracts so much venom, I was honestly flabbergasted.
      Watchin “9/11 Eyewitness Hoboken” at the moment. Best scientific doc I’ve seen so far. Puffs exploding UPWARDS ABOVE the collapsing structure. VISIBLE detonating charges INSIDE the dust cloud. Not to mention what Newton has to say about it. Fascinating. And frightening.
      Anyway, don’t wanna start this again; thanks for the shot in the arm, Clay.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  49. harpman says:

    as Punch imlach once said….predications are for gypsies.

  50. shiram says:

    What I learned from yesterday : the majority of people here are not worried about Markov.

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  51. HabinBurlington says:

    I found the Topham review of Tinordi choppy to read. I think something alot of people underestimate is the physical maturing process for someone the size of Tinordi. Being from a family of above average size, all 4 boys in my family took until post high school years to really start excelling in our sports.

    I also don’t believe enough emphasis was placed on how Tinordi did at the US Jr. Summer Camp. He clearly impressed the coaching staff much more this year than last and that is significant. This guy has a big body he has to fill into and will take longer than an average sized player, in my opinion. Let’s see how he does this year in Junior. He has a really good coaching staff to work with there and hopefully will pay dividends.

    • JF says:

      I think Topham’s main ploint about Tinordi was that, despite the progress he has undeniably made over the last year, he shouldn’t be ranked as high as 10th right now, and I agree. Others whom EOTP rank below him are more NHL-ready and have more offensive potential than Tinordi. Tinordi has a big body to fill out, and in three or four years may look like being more than a third pairing defenceman. But he has a long way to go.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Fair enough, he will take longer to reach his potential than others absolutely. Perhaps the reason for the 10th is that temptation to have something we haven’t had for a long time.

    • shiram says:

      Well, maybe that piece was a bit on the negative side, but there was so much hype surrounding him after he was drafted. It makes sense that it could take longer for him to fill out and that he faces a steeper learning curve.
      But from all I’ve read on him, he does not seem to be a top pairing D either.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • MathMan says:

      The problem is that Tinordi can fill out and mature all he wants, a player of his type — the “physical shutdown D” without puck skills — is an inherently limited player, and that puts a ceiling to how much impact he can make. Even if he fills out his frame and becomes a physical force, that still leaves him topping up at a #4 D — and that’s assuming he learns the crucial positioning skills that are going to be much more important to him than all the size and hittiness in the world.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Some people have just never been in love with Tinordi as a pick or his upside. Their right, but I always weigh my thoughts about prospects like this.

      “Who was Andrei Markov or Tomas Plekanec at 20 years old?”

      Expectations for young players to dominate at a younger and younger age has become the norm these days.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  52. HabFanSince72 says:

    The mainstream media’s telling us the Leafs will miss the playoffs again, and I believed them until recently. But look at the evidence. I mean really look at the evidence:

    * The building. Look at the building! Sold out every night. If a team has no hope, why are the games sold out? Every single night!
    * Basic science: A team missing the playoffs 7 years in a row? When has it ever happened? Never. Not possible. Can’t happen.
    * Does fire (opposing teams) melt steel (James Reimer)? Does it? Eh? Eh? Well, does it?
    * You believe Brad Richards signed for the Rangers? Really? You think Brian Burke let him slip through his fingers? Just like that?
    * Where are the wings? Whenever the mainstream media tell you the Leafs don’t have a number one centre, they never mention the wings. Kessel, Kulemein, a bunch of other guys. Where are the wings folks?
    * You think the most expensive defensive system ever assembled is going to be breached? By a bunch of guys on skates? Shoes with little steel blades on them?

  53. TorontoHabsFan says:

    After Yemelin, Aaron Palushaj is easily the player I’m most interested to see in camp – I have a feeling that he’s the odds-on favourite to be the first injury call-up.

  54. Well I’ll be the first to say it. Happy Birthday to Mike Boone!

  55. HardHabits says:

    That Sports Illustrated article is top notch.

    The writer gives the league a nice shot to the head followed by a swift kick to the nuts:

    While the NHL has been more aggressive than other leagues in studying concussions and changing some of its rules accordingly, it has yet to heed the doctors’ advice on the issue of fighting. The league would, however, most certainly listen to lawyers and the rulings of judges.

    That last sentence is one serious indictment of the current NHL leadership, most notably Gary Bettman.

  56. caladin says:

    @habsfan09
    Look again Winnipeg is listed.

  57. FishOutOfWater says:

    FANTASY ON SPACEK ?!?!?!

    prolly the funniest thing ill see today
    i mean its gotta be a joke right

  58. Habziefan09 says:

    Firstly, Congrats Boonzie on the promotion to fulltime Hockey desk!!!

    2nd, this would also mean the jets get a free pass to the dance too!

    Twitter: Habziefan09

    Confucius says: “Baseball has it all wrong, Man with 4 balls cannot walk!”

    http://habziefan09.blogspot.com

  59. Haligonian-Hab says:

    It’s early am, and i just had a coffee so i’m sweating. I need hockey :(

  60. likehoy says:

    Cammalleri’s expecting too much.
    he might not be able to handle the pressure he’s hoisting on himself.

    most players are humble enough to not make predictions of their season.

    – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  61. Old Bald Bird says:

    Seems reasonable to me. Shouldn’t everyone want the next season to be their best. He is in his prime, and barring injuries, he could have a very good year.

  62. krob1000 says:

    Cammi is a very confident player, very focussed but as the article mentions he is able to separate himself and go from laughing one minute to ultra intense. I am no shrink but think Cammi’s personality is what it is and I truly believe he expects that…but at the same time if he didn’t have his best season I can’t see him losing his confidence…the guy just feels too good about life in general …or so it appears from a distance. He is not Chris Higgins.

  63. sane hockey fan says:

    Hes not making a prediction, hes stating his expectations. Predictions != expectations. You could say that his expectations are not realistic, however, if you aren’t expecting the best from yourself…well lets just say that that not expecting to do your best isn’t really a quality many employers are looking for.

    Not to mention, from this post we don’t know the context of the question. For example, what if the question was “Mike, what are your expectations for your play this season?” well in that case his answer fits the question perfectly and is not lacking in humility.

  64. likehoy says:

    for sure everyone wants their next season to be their best.. but to publicly announce it?

    it’s the same thing as all those fans who overvalue the production of players on our team for the following season.

    – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  65. Chrisadiens says:

    Relax. Cammy even said on twitter that the article was a bit much. He went on to say that he said he always hopes to have his best season and that he is always trying to improve himself.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  66. 24 Cups says:

    Rob – I certainly hope that Cammy plas on playing well. He makes $6M a season and is coming off a sub-par year. The only thing he does is create offense – he’s basically a non-entity in his own end.

    Cammalleri needs to play the regular season the way he does the playoffs. That might help us make a run at the divisional title.

  67. krob1000 says:

    True but he did have injuries in both years (fairly significant ones too that definitely affect him for more than the 15 or so games he missed both times). He also still managed in both cases to produce at a 25-30 goal clip on an offensively challenged team. He did turn it up in both playoffs. I think he is healthy and knows his play was affected as he mentions and expects to back to his old form…nothing wrong with that. I think in both cases he was healthiest at playoff time and he is driven so I think the playoffs do probably pump him up a little more. I suspect a healthy Cammi for 82 games scores 35-40…..and that is not unreasonable given during his injury shortened and also lingering effects he still scored on a pace for 33 goals two seasons ago, and 23 last year. Over the last two playoffs he has scored at a 50 goal pace. Combined over two seasons playoff/reg seasons he is averaging 32 goals per 82 games….while battling through injury…not too shabby in our system….I think he is right to expect more buy he hasn’t been too shabby even at his worst and isn’t really “underperforming” anywhere near the levels of the other “underperformers”.


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