Playoff-bound Habs get day off in Florida; Murray faces NHL hearing

The Canadiens clinched a playoff spot Tuesday night despite losing 3-1 to the Tampa Bay Lightning and were rewarded with a day off Wednesday in Florida.

Meanwhile, Canadiens defenceman Douglas Murray learned he will have a telephone disciplinary hearing with the NHL at 11 a.m. Thursday for an elbow to the head of Mike Kostka that knocked the Lightning defenceman out. The Lightning announced Wednesday that Kostka has been diagnosed with a concussion and that there is no timetable for his return.

“One of the worst I’ve seen live,” the Lightning’s Steven Stamkos told Damian Cristodero of the Tampa Bay Times about Murray’s hit.  “He’s a clean, honest player, but that particular play was dirty.”

The Canadiens were originally scheduled to return to Montreal after Tuesday’s game, but team management and the coaching staff decided to give the players a day off in the Florida sunshine. The club is staying at the Innisbrook Resort in Tarpon Springs, which is considered the premier golf destination on Florida’s Gulf Coast. Earlier on this road trip, the Canadiens enjoyed another day off at a beachfront Marriott resort in Fort Lauderdale.

“It’s a demanding schedule,” coach Michel Therrien told The Gazette’s Pat Hickey about the days off. “We have to play X amount of games in a short period and it’s important we approach games with a lot of energy. But I have to see that we get the energy and it’s important to be well-rested.

“We play a demanding style,” the coach added. “I always believe we’re a four-line team and that allows us to play at a fast pace. We have to manage that.”

The new collective bargaining agreement mandates four days off each month, but Therrien has been generous in giving his players days off this season, along with optional skates.

“We absolutely like the way Michel handles the time,” goaltender Carey Price said. “The seasons are long. In hindsight, we’re not working 9-to-5, but we’re putting in a pretty physical 4-to-5. Over the course of the season, it’s not just the physical, but it’s more the mental toll. It’s good to get those days off.”

The Canadiens will practise Thursday in Florida before flying to Ottawa, where they will face the Senators Friday night (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690). The Detroit Red Wings will visit the Bell Centre Saturday night.

(Photo by Chris O’Meara/The Associated Press)

Habs players enjoying extra days off, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

How the Habs made the playoffs,

Price on short end of goalie duel, by Pat Hickey

‘Happy we’re in the playoffs,’ Price says after loss, by Pat Hickey

Playoff spot secured,

Lightning, Habs both clinch playoff spots,

Murray faces disciplinary hearing,

Lightning’s Kostka takes big hit, Tampa Bay Times

Open-and-shut case: suspend Murray, The Hockey News

Habs vs. Lightning photo gallery,

Leafs fans are ‘the Charlie Brown of NHL’, Stu on Sports blog



  1. slapshot777 says:

    Anybody hear anything on the Murray hearing going on today?

  2. secritagentman says:

    How does now watch the Bulldogs streaming? Is it free?

  3. byebyegomez says:

    Galchenyuk may have regressed this year bit I feel for him. He and his line mates started the year very well but the coach wanted the DD line to be the #1 line so they got the minutes.
    Galchenyuk doesn’t get much power play time. Guys like Briere and Bourqe get more pp time than he does. He doesn’t get the offensive zone face-offs either like the DD line does.
    His confidence has probably slipped and he hasn’t made the most of his opportunities but DD had 1 point in 20 games (or whatever it was) and the coach rewarded him.
    If Chucky got the same minutes, power play time, offensive zone starts and caliber of linemates that DD has then his numbers would be much better, his confidence would be higher and he would be developing into a better player.

    • Tyhudg says:

      Chucky would definitely benefit from playing on the habs top line, but would the habs? Nope. That is why he doesn’t play there, the NHL is not a development league. When Chucky made the team last year he was doing so knowing that he was reserved to play a secondary role for probably 3-4 years, so I don’t know about you but I don’t feel sad for him at all, he is still learning the league as 19 year old. He isn’t ready for top line duties, and our current top line is one of the best in the league. Personally I don’t think this is even slightly a problem I think some habs fans just had overblow expectations after the kids strong start.

  4. Un Canadien errant says:

    Hamilton Bulldogs 4, Oklahoma City Barons 5 (SO)

    I watched the game on a jumpy stream, with an Oklahoma City play-by-play team calling the action, and I caught up to it a little into the second period, but here are some observations.

    1) Nathan Beaulieu has another gear compared to everyone else, his skating is as smooth and effortless as ever. Early in the second, skating in on a three-on-one, he makes a good pass to Gabriel Dumont for a clean shot on goal, and then gets back on defence and breaks up a two-on-one going the other way.

    2) Louis Leblanc’s skating has a dog-in-the-bowling-alley quality, like Dale Weise or Michaël Bournival. It’s not always focused or instantly productive, but it pressures defenders into rushing their plays.

    3) Robert Mayer was in nets, the OKC play-by-play man spoke of the Bulldogs’ strength in nets, with Devan Dubnyk and AHL All-Star Dustin Tokarski. He mentions that Head Coach Stéphane Lefebvre is playing it as a ‘win and stay in’ situation for his goalies until the end of the season.

    In the third, Mr. Mayer made a boneheaded clearing pass that almost ended up in his own net, he had to scramble back in his crease and sprawl to make the save. Then he did it again. He’s creative in how he creates business for himself, I’ve got to give him that.

    4) Speaking of coaching, apparently the Bulldogs received two too-many men penalties during the game. I’ve mentioned before I thought that maybe the relatively young staff needed an experienced assistant coach to help out.

    5) Brady Vail served the second too-many men penalty, which was odd since he’s being groomed as a checking specialist, but I guess it makes sense to not use him to kill penalties on his first AHL game.

    6) Brady Vail, Connor Crisp and Nick Tarnarsky were playing together on the fourth line in the second period. In the third, Louis Leblanc played on right wing with the two rookies. It was nice to see them skating together.

    7) Morgan Ellis and Drew Schiestel, both right-handed defencemen, were playing together on the same pairing. With Dalton Thrower, another rightie, joining the team next season, we’ll have a glut of righties, and may have this odd situation of righties playing on the left occur even more often.

    Meanwhile, Davis Drewiske and Nathan, two lefties, are on another pairing.

    8) Sven Andrighetto ties it up at 3-3 early in the third, on a wrist shot off the rush, assisted by Greg Pateryn. Red #27 was darting all over the ice the whole game.

    9) Gabriel Dumont scores to make it 4-3, he created the goal off the rush, then converted on the goalmouth scramble. Earlier in the game, he stood up to Ben Eager after a whistle, wanting to get even for a hit he didn’t like. We need to perform a sack-ectomy on him and graft it on René Bourque.

    10) Greg Pateryn and Joël Bouchard bungle a two-on-two and it ends up in their net, 4-4. The game goes into overtime.

    11) Davis Drewiske is not as good as you might expect, seeing as he’s spent a few seasons in the NHL. You’d want him to stand out a little more.

    12) Andrighetto and Holland look good during four-on-four play, they can really use the open ice.

    13) The Barons win in seven rounds in the shootout, 2-1. Andrighetto scores, Gabriel Dumont, Patrick Holland, Nathan Beaulieu, Mike Blunden, Martin St. Pierre and Christian Thomas miss.

    Robert Mayer did his job in the shootout, the shooters didn’t for the Bulldogs.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

  5. hitgurl says:

    We need Gorges back so Cube can go away. He’s terrible!

    • D Mex says:

      There’s little doubt Cube is on quick descent, but it’s also true that he was part of the remake to get the club headed in a different direction when MB and MT took over.

      There’s also little doubt the front office sees what others are seeing, which is why I anticipate his opportunities to dress and play will be measured come playoff time. He’s been a good Hab – twice.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  6. HabsPooch says:

    Looking at Ovechkin’s season…48 goals but a -36 and his coach calling him out for quitting on a play. Is he Hall of Fame material?
    His 419 goals, 809 pts in only 673 games might indicate he is but I feel he’s been a disappointment in many ways throughout his career and just has me wondering about his selection down the road…

  7. Danno says:

    Detroit could pull off some upsets especially when Zetterberg and Datsyuk are back.


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    • CJ says:

      I could see them beating Pittsburgh, provide Howard gets hot. I don’t think they could upset Boston. It’s the playoffs though and anything can happen. Just my two cents….

      • Tyhudg says:

        I see Detroit’s core getting exposed by either Boston or Pittsburg, whichever they inevitably face. Pitt will be ready to play in the first round this year, you can bet on that and Boston is going to be hungry for revenge… they don’t lose much. Detroit is very inexperienced from top to bottom (Coaching aside), and I believe that will be their undoing.

    • Danno says:

      Well they keep beating Boston anyways. Looks like Boston has two teams to fear now.


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  8. Just wondering if Peter Budaj will get the start against Ottawa? Carey Price against Detroit at home since Habs are playing back to back games.

    Habs need to make changes when team is healthy. N.A.G will need to be inserted with size and speed. Lines are close in being set for MT. He’ll be going with a veteran lineup and that might be Habs down fall? Just have to see how this series will go against Tampa?

    Pacioretty – Desharnais – Vanek
    Markov – Emelin

    Galchenyuk – Plekanec – Gallagher
    Gorges – Subban

    Bournival – White – Gionta
    Murray – Weaver

    Prust – Eller – Weise

    Spares – Moen – Briere – Bourque – Bouillon – Tinordi – Beaulieu

    • frontenac1 says:

      No problem with the NAG once our boys are healthy and out of detention vs the Bolts. The only tough guy they have is B.J. Crombeen and he is a pussy. He challenged Crankshaft last year and Murray obliged and removed his helmet. Crombeen refused to remove his and was still beaten up by Murray.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Weaver is a keeper. Loved the way he tried to fill in John#on after Crankshaft destroyed that Bolt.

  9. BriPro says:

    I’m proud of this 2014 Habs version.
    I think the typical fan is hard on the team, especially in this city.

    We should be happy for what they’ve achieved. From where they came… just two years ago.

    This team is headed in the right direction. Is it normal for us to demand so much? Perhaps.
    Maybe it’s because for decades (not years), we dominated.

    But that was a different time. A different league. This ins’t the original six anymore, or even the era of the first expansion….. or even the Gretzky era. I would be hard-pressed to believe that he would rack up as many points as he did during his illustrious career, all due respect.

    The league is faster, and it’s (all due respect to my friends and southern neighbours) more American than Canadian, now. So the players head south, and the northern teams have to battle for talent, or draft high.

    I’m not saying it doesn’t happen for some US teams, but let’s face it, most players would rather shine in New York, or sun tan in California than freeze their humpies up here. Especially after this winter.

    But with all those challenges, MB seems to be putting together the foundation that most reflects the way this team was structured when I watched the glory years of sixties and seventies.

    Our Habs are in the playoffs. That’s two years in a row. Hopefully, team A will show up, and they’ll do far better than last night.

    Either way, it’s an exciting time. Enjoy the ride!

    • JUST ME says:

      Although i would prefer for the management to aim for the cup instead of just getting in the playoffs i agree with you that we are severe on our team. I do understand that i am getting old and that i have witnessed 12 Stanley cups and maybe am blasé but mostly i can understand that a large part of the habs fans are thirsty for one more .

      I just hope that people realize that we have something different now with Bergevin`s team and a new core of younsters to build on. I also think that the moves he made since he has been hired were bold and for the most part succesfull. He comes from a different pool of players and contact wich show us a totally different vision and minding of how an organization shoul be. I have faith in him an his team and am more than ready to wait and see.

      So yes i am enjoying and intend to continue to do so…

      • D Mex says:

        I suspect that a majority of Habs fans … silent majority, perhaps, are onside with the core of your message.
        Help is in the pipeline and, who knows, maybe #20 will be here for a while as well …

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

  10. HabinBurlington says:

    Habs have kept Gallagher up with big club from a pretty young age, Bournival has also stayed up with the big club. Galchenyuk while maybe more expected has stayed up with the big club.

    My point? The Habs are not adverse to having youthful people play on the big club, clearly Beaulieu has earned his stay in Hamilton.

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Agree, I love this new team attitude the Habs have. If Beaulieu is going to have some sass well, then he does not deserve to be up at this point in time. I believe, once they get healthier the same will be done to Bourque (press box) due to his comments about being on the 4th.

    • Le Jadester says:

      Hmmm ?
      Wonder why ?
      Log jam for spots on D ?
      Or are there other factors at play ?
      Either way, it seems he can play at the pro level IMO.

      Habs, OLE !

      • habcertain says:

        yes sir , pretty obvious, he also doesn’t play the game as MT prefers. The coach has zero expectations for offensive output from the backend.

    • Strummer says:

      Galchenyuk has stuck with the club because they have no other option it seems. He’s too good for the CHL and is not eligible for the AHL so he sits in a kind of limbo in Montreal where he isn’t getting enough quality ice time to improve his skills and confidence.

      “It’s just an opinion- I could be wrong”

      • BriPro says:

        I don’t believe that.
        I think the ice time is distributed according to who is most effective.
        Some games, he racks up 18 minutes, others…12.
        But he’s not alone.
        The largest minutes go to the Vanek line, for obvious reasons.
        And 27 is benefitting somewhat from playing with Plek.

    • BriPro says:

      What you said!

    • HabsPooch says:

      I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Beaulieu is the type of player that’s effective when he’s surrounded by good players. He was great with Saint John’s, and NHL calibre his few stints up with the Habs but has been barely average with Hamilton. I feel his ceiling will be a second pairing defenseman, which is ok, but he should have been recalled after the Olympic break.
      I feel the experience he would have gotten coming down the stretch would have been invaluable. Instead, those minutes have been given to a dinosaur defenseman , who will have no connection to the group of players that will carry this team to greater heights in the future.

    • CJ says:

      Truth is, with a hard salary cap it is essential that you have at least three entry level contracts on your roster. If we give PK between $8 – $9 million, Vanek $8 million, Markov $6+ million than we are going to need to balance this with at least 5-6 entry level deals next year. Many want Weaver and Gionta resigned too. At $71.1 (top end), or $68 (low end – adjusted for Canadian dollar) cap next season, we are going to need to make a number of difficult decisions.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        My comments regarding Bealieu have little to do with his on ice play. I am saying Habs have no issue with youth, his play looked very good while up with Habs. I am speaking directly to his attitude per se.

        • Paz says:

          Imagine how Beaulieu is burning. He must be very resentful at this point.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Ed I don’t think Habs would keep him down unless he has done something drastic. What does MT gain by keeping arguably their best skating damn in Hamilton?

          • Paz says:

            Ok. I agree with you. It sounds bad. Like maybe he won’t ever p,ay for the Habs?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Who knows, I hope he learns just as I hope the Habs give him every opportunity to show he has learned from the experience. Two way street, unfortunately all we can do is speculate. CHeers my friend!

        • CJ says:

          Fair points. I always enjoy your posts and respect your point of view, even if it differs from mine. Not that it differs often though….

          I agree, his demotion and failure to secure a promotion has everything to do with attitude and not on ice performance. I’m guessing, and mind you this is only a guess, but it must have been a little more than just a pissy mood for a day or two to keep him down. He looked too good not to get a second chance. We may never know, but if he made his bed, he’s got to sleep in it.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            It sure is frustrating to watch this play out, we all see the raw talent.

          • CJ says:

            Agreed. That’s my frustration. It’s like two school yard kids during a stare off. Who is going to blink first? Management and discipline/structure or the best interest of the team?

  11. jmac21 says:

    Yeah the days of are working
    Outplayed by FLA and last night?? Enough said

  12. monmick says:

    Mario Langlois interviewed Patrice Brisebois today. When asked why Beaulieu has not been recalled, Brisebois hinted that it’s because Beaulieu did not take it well when he was sent down during the Olympics and that management did not like his reaction. Brisebois however admitted that Beaulieu was playing very well up until that time.

    I understand that young players need to be “managed”, but I really have trouble with that old school management mentality that feels that players need to be “broken” and “shown who is boss”, especially with highly skilled individuals who’s only fault appears to be how they “react” to being demoted when they, and everyone else outside management, can clearly see that they deserve to stay with the big team based on performance alone…

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

    • CJ says:

      There have been certain player coach (organization) relationships over the years that can best be described as volatile. At some point, the best interests of the team need to come first.

      Maybe this is a leap, but are we teaching PK a lesson this year? IMO, playing with Frankie is a pretty big message in itself. 18 minutes of ice time last night. Again, I know I’m in the minority as I’m one of the few who does not think PK is worth $8 – $9 million dollars, but he is our best defenceman and deserves better than to be paired with our number 7/8.

      • AH says:

        I’m in your minority too CJ, PK’s great, but not 8-9 million great.

        • habcertain says:

          the numbers are all relative to the big picture, and they are worth what owners/teams are willing to pay them. Clearly, $8m is the going rate for top D-Man, PK is in that conversation. MT clearly has a problem with players who are individuals, this is not 1950. He sticks him with a partner who no longer can play in this league, Beaulieu looks like he is headed for the same treatment.

          • CJ says:

            To be fair there is not a single defenceman in the league with a cap hit equal to or above $8 million dollars. Not one. The going rate for premier defenceman is $6 to $7.5 million dollars. Firstly, is PK a member of this exclusive club? Maybe. Based on his play last year, yes. This year, no. Secondly, is he ready to be the highest cap hit in the league. IMO, the answer is no.

            Sorry, I know that is not going to well received, but IMO, you get paid for performance. At $8 million, highest in the league, you need much more consistency. Not flashes of brilliance and hair pulling second guesses.

            Now, in PK’s defence, the team has not placed him in the best position to succeed, but it’s impossible not to recognize the struggles PK has faced.

            In closing none of this is to suggest I don’t want PK on the team. I’m simply suggesting we best proceed with caution.

          • BriPro says:

            CJ, the only point I’d question is you’re saying that he hasn’t been put in the best position….
            What, may I ask, is that position?

            I don’t see it. He’s an NHL defenceman, playing in the big leagues, and he has to face what’s coming at him. That’s his job. He’s very well paid to do it. For me there’s no issue.

          • habcertain says:

            CJ, my ref $8m, was based upon projected caps/revenues which all point up and would impact upcoming contracts, not the current ones. I guess we can look back and see that Price’s current salary would classify him as underpaid, as an example of going the other way. Making PK the highest paid D-Man should not reflect upon his standing in regards to talent, just the economics of the current supply/demand. I recall many saying Weber and Suter were not worth what they signed for, at the time. cheers.

          • CJ says:

            Hi Bri Pro. Weber had Suter, now Jones. Karlsson has Methot. Keith and Sebrook….

            Point is, give PK a better partner. It’s like a stage coach in the Wild West. The driver can’t have two in hand where one is slower than the other. The faster horse is forced to regress to the standard. PK’s play has similarly regressed to match Frankie. Careless turnovers, terrible giveaways. We invested in Price by bringing in Waite. Let’s invest in PK by giving him a better partner.

          • Paz says:

            I believe Habs would prefer to go in a different direction. Subban will not sign long term here now that Therrien is on his way to an extension.

        • Le Jadester says:

          Agreed…..only Weber is worth that kinda money, and mabey (makes me puke to say it) Chara before he was 30.

          Habs, OLE !

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        You have to pay your stars the bucks. They will just get 8 elsewhere. There are plenty of examples all over the league. Do you think Wheeler deserves his contract. No, it is because the jets need him a lot.

        • UKRAINIANhab says:

          Wasn’t clear what I said: basically, you have to pay your better players the money they want, so then they do not get the money they want elsewhere. I think you pay Subban the big bucks because we need Subban, the extra 2 million is worth having PK on long term.

        • CJ says:

          Blake Wheeler is fair value. $5.6 million for a guy who, at 27, puts up points, is big and physical and plays 200ft. He and Max are very close in skillset. Max has one of the three best contracts in the league. Wheeler, at $5.6 will be one of the best contracts in the league in two years as the cap rises, provided he continues to preform at the pace he has set the last three years.

          • Paz says:

            Your logic is exactly why I would offer 9 million to Subban if I was the Leafs. As a RFA Subban would have to consider this offer, say 9 million for 7 years. Toronto would benefit greatly by signing Subban and Subban would be going home. I know for a fact that there is great interest in Subban by Leafs ownership.

            The Habs? Bergevin and Therrien get out of a controversial relationship as they an argue that 9 million would kill the salary structure on this team. Habs get what, 4 first round picks I believe?

            Everyone is happy, right?

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Habs are doing their best to prove PK’s not worth that much. This may come back to bite them.

    • punkster says:

      Respectfully…Your entire second paragraph is your assumption based on your limited access to the facts…which may be why you are commenting on a blog and they are actually managing a professional team.

      Release the Subbang!!!

      • monmick says:

        No assumption there; I’m basically paraphrasing what Brisebois said.

        But it’s true that I’m merely a no-name commenting on a blog. I guess you can’t argue with the organization’s success over the last 25 years in consistently fielding championship teams and developing young talent…

        ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

        • punkster says:

          How are you paraphrasing there? In order to do so we’d have to see the original text or transcript and not that “he hinted” a couple of things.

          Sorry, and I’m sure you’re not doing this, but reinterpreting actual situations, interviews, quotes, etc. is a thing that bugs me. Give me the actual quote.

          Release the Subbang!!!

          • monmick says:

            You are right. I am wrong. I am totally off-base. I sincerely apologize for having wasted your time with my stupid comment. Please forgive me…

            ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

          • punkster says:

            Which did you not understand…”respectfully” or “I’m sure you’re not doing this?

            If you have the original quotes or link to the interview then let’s have a look and discuss.

            Maybe your take is right and this situation will shed light on what may be an inept an incompetent management team.

            Or maybe it isn’t.

            Release the Subbang!!!

          • CJ says:

            Hi Punkster. I enjoy your posts, however your comments, in this particular thread, read a little harsh. Monmick is a strong contributor and I don’t believe he was attempting to adjust an article to leverage his point.

            I’m not trying to overstep my place, just something to think about coming from a neutral third party. For your consideration. Cheers, CJ

          • punkster says:


            Because I don’t accept someone’s interpretation of an interview that hasn’t been directly quoted or linked?

            Give me a break CJ, that’s bush league.

            Release the Subbang!!!

          • CJ says:

            Friend, it has nothing to do with content and everything to do with tone. Again, for your consideration. I’m nobody, nor do I think I’m anything special. Just throwing it out there. CJ

          • punkster says:

            Monmick (and CJ)…I have never had any issue with your viewpoints or comments in the past that I can recall. My reaction to your original post was nothing more than an attempt to draw out the specifics of the interview. When someone bases their comment, or theory, on something that a third party supposedly “hinted” at in a conversation, interview or article that is not directly quoted, it can hardly be accepted as fact.

            Not trying to pick a fight or provoke an argument here…just looking for facts to back up theories.

            Release the Subbang!!!

          • CJ says:

            Fair dues. Again, I don’t mean to stick my fat face into the conversation. I respect you both and was simply hoping to make the situation (or what I perceived as a situation) better. No hard feelings on my end. I look forward to chatting with you both going forward. Cheers, CJ

      • habcertain says:

        I would say Brisebois is an inside source and not too much of an assumption is required. there are a lot of lousy managers, commenting is good.

    • JUST ME says:

      It`s not a matter of breaking the guy but rather one of giving him time to acquire maturity . The nhl is not the place for a kindergarden. For a guy like Beaulieu going from junior to NHL was a bit of a big step as it is with Tinordi. Defensemen take more time to get to be ready for an NHL caliber and an intense NHL schedule. Giving them time to lead at every level including the AHL can only be a good thing for both the athlete and the team as the Red Wings organization has shown time and time again.

      By the way Beaulieu although a valuable offensive asset is far from beind defensively sound enough to endure the NHL rythm. So a longer stay in the AHL is not a bad thing either.

    • AH says:

      Mon, thanks for the insight, I figured there had to be something going on that Beaulieu has not been back when he was really doing well. Interesting to see how his “relationship” with the Habs develops from here on in.

  13. Butterface says:

    Okay we are in the playoffs….

    Now lets fix the defence….

    Emelin, Markov
    Subban, Boullion
    Weaver, Tinordi

    When the playoffs start Gorges in over Boullion and Murray in over Tinordi.

    Have we heard the suspension for Murray yet ???

    Game was silly last night. Terrible reffing. Called back goal should have counted for TB….. Emelin for tripping while trying to pick up his stick ? The refs were harsh on Eller. Didn’t like this crew.

    Would have preferred a better physical message in a loss, but we are the Canadiens.

    Gudas is better than I thought. I actually am impressed.

    If it were not for Price making 2 or 3 circus saves it could have been worse. Carey covers the net well, but this year his ability to track the puck and make corrections is way better.

    Bishop is good enough to win a series, but he is good because of his size. He is awkward when covering side to side movement and slow to react to changes in puck trajectory. That means we need more puck movement around him especially cross crease.

    I felt we dominated most of the first period and lost it during the second. The third was atrocious.

    Better we get to the playoffs with fear then think we are invincible.

    I think we can take 1 of the first 2 in Tampa if need be.

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…..

  14. OK, hanging up the phones and just took a look at MT’s comments about the need to rest the team… Really? They rest and then can’t open their eyes to see Tampa running them down!

    Each time they get some time off they come back in a daze. Last night after the first, they actually keystone copped it with the penalties and the pathetic powerplay.

    If anyone thinks this team beats the Lightening like they played last night or this season against them, then they are smokin’ some good Sheeite.

    MT is an unqualified nincompoop with his lame attempts at explaining what he is doing. These professional athletes are competing against other professionals who have just as much or as little rest as they do. Pull up your big boy shorts and play the damn game and not like last night, or against Buffalo last week, or Florida for that matter. If we play like that, we repeat the embarrassment with Ottawa in the first round last year.

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • SlovakHab says:

      Don’t worry,

      as long as he keeps Subban’s icetime below 18 minutes and make sure we have players that dump the puck out of the zone and keep it simple, we should be all right.

      Can’t win in the playoffs with those fancy plays. Keep it simple and dump the puck as soon as you have it.

  15. scavanau says:

    Hey people, busy day at work. Didn’t have any time to read content here. I’m sure there was plenty of talk already but need to get this off my mind…


    • TheCanadianDagger says:

      Chara is smarter than Mike Kostka to come over the blue line looking back. Not to mention a foot taller.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Unfortunately it was a bad camera angle and the replay guys were out to lunch, but a month or so ago Murray leveled Chara in Boston. You heard the thud and the Boston crowd gasp.

      Chara was playing forward on the PP and went to pick the puck up in the corner. Murray checked him right off his feet and he hit the boards sideways. Chara got up and pushed Murray several times and Chara actually went backwards.

      Last game against Boston, Murray was in Chara’s ear several times and was giving him a hard time in front of the net. Chara waited until Murray finished a long PK, was hunched over skating off gasping for air to go over and push him.

      Murray has also checked and shoved Lucic a bunch of times and Lucic seems to want no part of him.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Because if Murray stuck out his elbow on Chara he would have nailed him in the navel.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  16. Stevie.Ray says:

    The PTI guys, who generally know nothing about hockey, said if Washington doesn’t make the playoffs they need to trade Ovechkin. What would it take, not from a Habs perspective, to get Ovechkin? Who would make that deal? Edmonton?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Ovechkin will become the first ever player to lead the NHL in goals and have the worst +/-.

      Douglas Murray +/- = -12
      Alex Ovechkin +/- = -36

  17. CJ says:

    Hi Folks.

    Just loggin in, so please excuse me if this point has already been made. Regarding the issue of “old” here is my two cents;

    Age is a number only. There are some NHL players who, IMO, are old (by old I mean in the twilight of their career) at young ages. Parros and Moen are two players who come to mind. The physical wear and tear has beaten them down. I seriously wonder, perhaps unfairly what Gionta has left on the ice. Bourque is not an old man, but what’s left in his tank? Mind over matter perhaps, but he is a part of the veteran leadership within this room. Sadly, I believe Prust is also well beyond his years. Markov has been compared on this forum countless times to Lindstrom, yet at 35 they really couldn’t be much different. Lindstrom at 35 won the Norris, had 80 points and led his team to the Stanley Cup. Markov, IMO, is held on an elevated platform, beyond reproach. Price has bailed him out countless times, as he did again last night. I don’t see the consistency needed for a 3 year $6 million dollar annual extension, but I am not the GM.

    There are countless examples of players who are 35+, but who still make major contributions. My point is this, yes we are the seventh oldest team in the league, but many of our players – some of whom might be young – are showing some major signs of wear and tear.

    On an aside, I do appreciate those folks who took the time to reply to my post on the previous page. I am sorry I was not able to extend the courtesy of a reply. It is interesting to read the responses. Everyone seems to see the team through a different lens. Some folks think that Galley, Chucky, DD and Max have improved this year from last year. Personally, I don’t see that, however I respect the different opinions. I think Galley is essentially at the same place. I think Chucky, DD, Max and PK have all taken a step back – in some cases (Max) not significantly, however they are not as good as they were last year. DD has been much better the second half, but he was very inconsistent, struggling over the first 20 games. As much as he has made the most of his year and improved considerably, I am not sure you can overlook the slow start and say that he is enjoying a better season. He might prove me wrong yet and finish with a bang and carry this into the playoffs, but I have my reservations.

    Again, I am simply trying to provide a point of view. Based on recent surveys and contributions to this forum, I know that I am in the minority. Many have suggested that we are heading to the Stanley Cup this year, which I think is great. Anything can happen right? Although I don’t see it doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

    All that said, let’s beat Ottawa on Friday night. Please and thank you! Cheers, CJ

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Galchenyuk may have regressed a tad.

      • CJ says:

        Fair enough. We all see it differently. Chucky has basically the same number of points as last season, however he’s player 20 more games this year. Further, he is minus 13 this season and was plus 14 last year.

        Points are one element, but I think it paints a picture.

        • HabsPooch says:

          I too think Galchenyuk has regressed. It’s not just the stats that point this out but we all watch the games and have to feel his game has slipped quite a bit. Now keep in mind, this could be your classic sophomore jinx or whatever you may want to call it. However, I feel that he has lost a bit of confidence and his decision making has faltered at times.
          Should we be worried? Heck no. I’m just looking forward to him finally playing his real position next season…IF that’s the plan?

    • habcertain says:

      I agree, don’t see it happening, but wish otherwise. Price alone could take us a long way, but players don’t seem to be progressing. MT obviously has issues with puck moving D-men (PK / Beaulieu) and we just don’t have the horses to compete. It is great that Vanek has given us a legit number 1 line but MT coaches a grinder type game.

    • Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

      Got to Dream

  18. twilighthours says:

    Ed L,

    I don’t agree that it was a lost year for 27. I believe that anything a <22 year old gives a team is gravy. I think his puck handling is fine and the D will come.

    In my mind has issued is his first step. It needs to get better. He can't get any separation for a shot or play. He needs to get with patches' trainer ASAP.

  19. twilighthours says:


    I feel your pain. He’s actually a pretty reasonable guy and I’m sure when he sees your post he’ll reply appropriately. If not, repost.

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    Price got us into the play offs, can he keep us there.

  21. Commandant says:

    Its really too bad that Murray is getting a phone hearing for his hit.

    This limits his suspension to a max of 5 games. I was hoping he’d get a lot more.

    Go Habs Go!

    • Just A Guy says:

      I hadn’t looked at the hit, but your comment seemed strong enough so I checked it out, and I agree without the context of previous decisions.

      Given that its his first disciplinary hearing in a long enough career should speak for something, but that wasn’t an innocent hit for sure.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Come on Ben. He just missed a bit. Too bad for that Bolt. Should have kept his head up. 3 games max.

  22. frontenac1 says:

    Hey amigos! At the Saloon with the Lads today and they keep showing Crankshaft”s Fore arm shimmy! We all think it was a thiing of beauty.
    Should we feel bad about it?

    • habcertain says:

      the Crank isn’t a dirty player, you are forgiven, sh!t happens in the heat of battle.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Not at all. You never want to see someone get hurt but the Habs have been the biggest bunch of softies for five years now. If teams are starting to come into Montreal thinking they better kept their head up or get crushed by Crankshaft, Alex Emelin or PK Subban, that’s awesome.

      I just heard Aaron Ward on the radio saying that Murray has been amazing on the PK and the Habs should resign him next year. I agree. Chris Nilan was saying the same thing earlier in the day as well.

      Murray’s a great 6th or 7th guy to have.

    • Timo says:

      Just don’t mention the “e” word, no matter the context, and you’ll be ok.

  23. Paz says:

    I will be watching the production from two key veterans in the playoffs, Markov and Plekanec.

    I know what kind of goaltending to expect. I know what Subban will give us. And I’m expecting Desharnais’ line to lead the offence.

    From there we will see if Markov can have a productive playoff. I believe that he has been way overused and over taxed, and that is why his play has been inconsistent.

    Plekanec? Well it is time for Plekanec to led this team as a veteran. He needs to shut down the other teams top line and chip in some timely scoring.

    We can not afford to depend entirely on one line for offence, nor can we afford to lean exclusively on Subban for points.

    Markov and Plekanec; two players who need to produce in the playoffs.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The Habs will definitely need some secondary scoring from guys like Plekanec, Gionta and Gallagher. I’d like to say Galchenyuk too but he looks either lost, overwhelmed or plain exhausted right now. Maybe he gets rejuvenated when the playoffs start?

      • Paz says:

        It has been a lost year for Galchenyuk. He has been a huge disappointment.

        • Commandant says:

          He only recently turned 20 years old (was 19 to start the season) and is the highest scorer in his draft class.

          Go Habs Go!

          • Paz says:

            No. Come on. His control of the puck has not improved. His patience has not improved. His defensive game is horrendous.

            I’m not talking about goals and assists here.

            I’m talking about his confidence, his poise.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I’m not giving up on him by any means Commandant. I just think he looks like he’s feeling the effects of his first full NHL season. He’ll be better next year and even better the year after, no doubt.

            I don’t think it’s lost year. He’s had promising flashes and he’s getting good experience. He’s fine, just a bit overloaded at the moment.

          • Commandant says:

            Paz, go back and look at what Ryan Johansen looked like one year ago at the same age as Galchenyuk.

            He was scoring about 1/2 as much as Galchenyuk and was totally lost defensively.

            Add to that the fact that Galchenyuk only had a half season his first year in the NHL, and missed an entire year of junior at 17 (except for 6 games) with his knee injury.

            His development is coming along just fine.

            Go Habs Go!


          • habcertain says:

            who’s his coach? just asking.

          • boing007 says:

            It would be great if Galchenyuk scored on some of his shots once in awhile.

            Richard R

      • Paz says:

        Don’t worry about Gallagher, Hobie. He is relentless!

  24. Mutt says:

    Maybe MT knows something we don’t (nagging injury?) else it really does not make any sense at all…

    • 24 Cups says:

      Whether we like it or not, the game plan for most of this year has been to play a defensive based game so that the philosophical transition to the playoffs will be automatic.

      Well the team has now made the playoffs and Therrien is gong to play the double sided card of defense first backed by elite goaltending. Time will tell how it will all work out.

      • Paz says:

        We have payed much better since acquiring Vanek. More control of the puck less dump and chase, and defensive shell games.

        This has been very successful.


        Because the team is built to skate, for goodness sakes.

        If we go back to our defensive ways I would not bet on any success.

  25. SlovakHab says:

    Is there a stat comparing how many days Habs get a day off vs how many days they practice? Seems to me that out of 30 days, there are on average 12-13 game days, 12 days off and only a handful days when they actually train. Is this normal, or do the Habs get more days off than an average team?

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      There are mandated days off, as dictated by the CBA. I’m not sure what the rules are, but they have to do with back-to-back games, travel, etc. I am fairly certain that the employer, i.e. the Habs, are taking as much advantage of those work hours, i.e. player contracts, as they are allowed.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

      • SlovakHab says:

        4 days off are mandatory as per CBA.
        I just have the feeling that Habs are getting 3 times as much, so my question was if someone can confirm it, or if it is just a feeling.

        Because that PP and zone transitions could definitely use some more practice.

  26. Un Canadien errant says:


    “In the organization’s community outreach efforts and charitable work with the Bulldogs Foundation, Ellis is depended on heavily for community appearances such as school visits, public awareness campaigns and community skates. During team events, the second-year defenceman can always be counted on to lead in the interaction with fans, children and those less fortunate in the community. In addition to his consummate community involvement, Ellis is also one of two Bulldogs to have appeared as a regular guest on Hamilton’s Y108 Radio throughout the 2013-2014 season, taking the time to discuss all things Bulldogs. With a friendly demeanor and always-positive attitude, Ellis is a model citizen and a leader in terms of community outreach in the Bulldogs’ dressing room.”

    Always nice to hear positive news about our prospects. Morgan was a bit of a ‘flavour of the month’ after the Memorial Cup in Shawinigan, but has made slow progress in Hamilton, and been forgotten. Once again, it’s important to be patient with our young players, and give them time to develop.

    • TheCanadianDagger says:

      Good east coaster. For every Brad Marchand there are 100 Ellis’es(?)

    • B says:

      Ellis leads the Bulldogs with a +7

      –Go Habs Go!–

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Ya, I hope I’m wrong, I don’t think Ellis has a future with the Canadiens. We just never hear a word about him? He’s firmly planted behind Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn.

      Even Pateryn is going to have a hard time finding a spot to play in Montreal next year and possibly the year after. I highly doubt The Habs will have three rookie defencemen in the lineup at the same time.

      There’s also Dietz down there who’s a head of Ellis. Thrower will be there too next year if I’m not mistaken?

  27. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …a Spring with an extended playoff run, as well as a hopeful annihilation of the Parti Quebecoise as a future player in Quebec’s political landscape, will make this long, cold, frigid winter seem very worthwhile to have persevered

  28. ClutchNGrab says:

    “No one in our ownership group is interested in being a majority owner in an NHL franchise. That’s been the case since the start”

    “But the most important thing is the passion is just not there for the NHL among our ownership group that is there for basketball. Getting involved in hockey solely because basketball hasn’t worked out right now, when it’s not something your heart is in, would be a disservice to the fans here.”

    – Chris Hansen, hedge fund manager whose leading the effort in Seattle to get the NBA back to the city (not the dateline host who’s keeping us safe…)

  29. ClutchNGrab says:

    Saw a post on the age of Habs’ players.

    Per NHL numbers, the Habs are the 7th oldest team with an average of 28.390.

    Oldest are New Jersey (29.836), Florida (28.588), Pittsburgh (28.574), Dallas (28.485), Phoenix (28.431) and Detroit (28.427).

    Yougest Columbus (26.045)

    • Garbo says:

      Is that an average or median age? Because a few oldies can skew those stats.

    • shiram says:

      So Habs are about on average 1 year older than the League average.
      But that still lacks context in the premise brought forth from habs001.
      Which is more important to the team, Price and Subban under 30, or Moen and Parros being over 30?
      I know we got key players over 30, like Markov, but still, kinda meaningless without giving more context.

      • ClutchNGrab says:

        I agree, but what context to add? I may feel Subban, Price and Paccioretty are key players, but they coach might think Plekanec, Markov and Murray are, based on specific key role they are led to play in the playoffs.

        I was just adding to the conversation, but yeah, that’s the kind of stats Pierre Mcguire uses to explain, after the fact, why a team is losing or winning a series (they have experience, they’re tired, they lack experience, etc.).

    • 24 Cups says:

      Which players are really old on this team? The only one I can think of is Bouillon.

  30. Luke says:

    It’s almost home time for me, so I’m going to post this at the top of the page. It is a bunch of mini-blogs written by people with, or touched, by Autism. It was created in November in response to the head of Autism Speaks describing Autistic children as “missing” to the US Congress. Well… you can imagine how well that went over!

    The first entry after the ‘click’ by “THIS is Autism. Written by ruairidhohboi” is excellent (IMO).

  31. sCOTT1243 says:

    Habs made playoffs, very happy. There were times this year we thought they were going to slowly fade but they have done what they had to do.
    We have a few weeks to go, so who cares what happens. They will win some and lose some. Come Playoffs anything can happen. Stay positive habs nation. And yes I am praying the leafs don’t make the playoffs :)

  32. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …anyOne else here ever write a comment without thinking, and go back to re-read what You wrote, and say to Yourself ‘My Gawd !!!, did I just say this stupid drivel ???’

    :) …I’m afraid I just had that very experience

  33. Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:


  34. C-Sword says:

    I do not like our chances against the Bolts in the series, not only is that series going to be the most boring one, low scoring, but they also have a more aggressive forecheck and are better defensively, we hardly tested Bishop in all the games we played against them this season, I’d much rather face the Bruins or the Pens.

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Seriously!!! You would rather face the Bruins over tampa????

      • Garbo says:

        I would ALWAYS rather see the Bruins. The Bruins are a sorry excuse of team and I like the Habs chances against them any day. And IF the Bruins are as good as everyone thinks they are, Habs would have to face them at some point anyway. At least that way we would be guaranteed a VERY exciting series. Tampa… likely not so exciting.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I don’t think the season is going to be indicative of the payoffs.

  35. Un Canadien errant says:

    There has been a bit of discussion on why Connor Crisp and Brady Vail both signed PTO contracts with the Bulldogs to finish out the season, rather than Entry Level deals with the Canadiens.

    My educated guess is that the Canadiens:

    1) don’t have any contract slots available, what with the contracts signed by Jack Nevins and others. This summer, a group of players whose contracts expire will not be renewed, and these players and others can be signed to NHL deals.

    2) don’t want their Entry Level deals to ‘kick in’, and lose one year of control over these prospects, in return for an eight-game tryout. So we use the PTO method to get these guys some AHL experience without wasting a contract year.

  36. habs001 says:

    At this stage of the season it is very hard to change what a team has been on the pp and pk in the first 75 games…

    • krob1000 says:

      Not really…you start with changing up the personnel…I think Briere is the best pp option the Habs have to control the pp from the half wall…but he rarely gets a chance…when he does the pp is dangerous though. I would love to see him get some time with the top d pair on the first unit with Vanek and Max.

  37. Un Canadien errant says:

    Two players who have fallen out of the good graces of the management team, according to what we can deduce based on their use and ‘treatment’, are Louis Leblanc and Nathan Beaulieu. Both of these players have not met the team’s expectations relative to physical conditioning coming into training camps, and have been sent down and not called up when it might have seemed appropriate.

    Louis Leblanc’s travails have been well documented, in that he has suffered injuries which prevented him from doing much resistance work, especially in his upper body. Yet he seemingly hasn’t when he had a chance last summer, for example, wowed the team with his dedication in the gym, and his size and strength has disappointed.

    Nathan apparently has been successful relying on his ‘natural’ ability, playing himself into shape as the season progresses, as he has done both years in Hamilton.

    Both of these young men can help their case immensely by availing themselves of the services of Pierre Allard over the summer, and showing up to camp next season in great shape, with a little more meat on their bones.

    That’s if Louis Leblanc is offered a new contract. He’ll be eligible for waivers next fall, so he’s going to be in a precarious position. If he doesn’t make the team, he might get claimed when he gets sent down after camp. The team may decide not to spend one of the 50 contract slots on him, as we’re going to be close to the limit next season, as usual.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …what I find hard to comprehend is Molson has given Bergevin the budget to bring on a forest of ‘player development’ specialists

      …these Guys are supposed to be ‘out there’ in the weeds, the universities, junior games, in Europe and the AHL ‘guiding’ Our Prospects on what is necessary physically and mentally

      …WHY ??? hasn’t Pierre Allard been in Louis Leblanc’s hip-pocket over the last couple years making sure this NUMBER ONE draft pick met His potential ?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I don’t get it either HiS. From what I’ve read, Louis is an analytical, introspective kind of guy, not a rah-rah good time lovable goofball like Mike McCarron, for example. As such, and this is my guess, when trying to comprehend what is going on, it may be that Louis may not be the “Sir, yes sir!” type, he has his own opinions on what he needs to do to be successful, like focus on footwork or agility, maybe he resists the directive to get bigger and stronger. He did resist the attempts by the team to turn him into a third-line checking winger, and got leap-frogged by Michaël Bournival in the process.

        It’s the old thing about leading a horse to water. It also creates a chicken and egg thing, is Louis unsuccessful because he’s not bigger and stronger and more explosive in his skating, or is he not successful because his coaches observe that he’s not bigger and stronger, and don’t believe in him, and don’t use him to his best advantage?

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …My feeling, watching Him up-close and personal behind the bench when the Bulldogs visited Abbotsford, was a sense Louis is an internalizer

          …maybe a little to cerebral

          …I never saw Him leaning to a Team-mate next to Him, whether to discuss a play, or encourage …there was no sense of passion

          …but We know Louis must have passion, or He would never have accomplished what He did to be a first-round draft pick, or during His brief but impressive stay on the big Team

          …I really believe, besides Bergevin’s bright decisions, He has also made some incestuous hires in such as Martin Lapointe and Stephane Lefevre

          …Lefevre is just not the right coach for the Bulldogs

    • smiley says:

      All good points Errant. David Clarkson is pretty fit and Kessel pretty chubby. But who would you rather have:)

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      I get the feeling the club has already made up their mind about Louis, and they have no plans for him. Beaulieu however is a mystery. I suspect it might be a salary cap issue. They have so many players currently on the roster (some on short-term injury reserve, which doesn’t come off the books). There just may not be room for him monetarily. And they obviously prefer Tinordi right now. But I’m not sure… obviously.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  38. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    “The Lightning announced Wednesday that Kostka has been diagnosed with a concussion and that there is no timetable for his return.”
    And yet there were some “enlightened” people here asserting that he was “embellishing” while lying there supine and motionless on the ice. Some people….

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • HabsWin-nipeg says:

      I believe those comments were sarcastic in nature

    • JUST ME says:

      I am not sure if those are serious comments or just a way to take advantage of a situation that has been blamed on the Habs (mostly by the Bruins) over the years. There are no laughing matters about what happened but you have to admit that the way they brought out the stretcher ,how serious it seemed and how suddenly the player came back on his feet you thought you were seeing an european soccer game…

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        Sorry, but I never take head shots lightly. The fact that the stretcher came out so quickly should be applauded, not mocked or questioned by conspiracy theorists. He was out cold. The response was proper. Some people can be awfully flippant and crass from the safety of their bedroom keyboards.

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

        • JUST ME says:

          Fair enough. Health issues are not to be taken lightly.
          What else do you want people to say from the safety of their bedroom as you say? Not expressing one self on the event is not better either but commenting on how the whole situation looked when the Habs have been wrongfully accused themselves as embellishers, was to be expected.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The embellishing comments were facetious, to lampoon other teams’ fans (**cough cough Bruins cough**) when their thugs did their dirty deeds on ours.

      There is no doubt that Mike Kostka was out cold. Which was what made it kind of funny when the TSN boys were saying that it wasn’t confirmed that he’d suffered a concussion.

      You can suffer a concussion without getting knocked out, but you can’t get knocked out without suffering a concussion.

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        I’m not sure how tongue-in-cheek those comments were. They just sounded kind of dickish to me. But perhaps I have too cynical a view of keyboard warriors. :)

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  39. habs001 says:

    26,31 G
    38,35,35,34,29,27,24,22 D
    36,35,34,32,31,31,30,30,27,26,25,25,24,21,21,20 F

    If this is the age of the your roster going into the playoffs it should be a major cup contender otherwise management has made a major mistake and a rebuild will take way longer than 2 years…

  40. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @The Jackel

    …David, to quote Mike Boone

    MARCH 25, 2014 AT 7:54 AM
    ‘Finding every way to stir up sh.. is pretty much my job description.’

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    For years I complained about Lee’s refereeing in the OHL, there were players fathers that even tried to get at him after games. All over the OHL he was despised.

    And then the NHL went to the two man system and were short of Ref’s. Guess who gets into the NHL! I could not believe it, and how the hell does he stay in this league without getting smoked by someone??

    Refereeing is by far, the weakest part of the NHL today.

    • Cal says:

      After all the abuse officials get in the minor leagues, I am surprised if any of them are any good. I’m reasonably certain the good ones say to themselves, “Why the hell should I take all this crap?” And then, they leave.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Thankless job for sure Cal. But they are paid very well my friend. We have had some great officials in the NHL over the years and some not as good for sure. But blatant, very poor officiating by some who think the fans come out to see them, have to go.!

        • Cal says:

          To me, the pay doesn’t matter. You can make $200K a year and if you’re treated like a piece of crap, you won’t last or you’ll become a vindictive SOB. Either way, it’s a terrible way to try to get competent reffing.

        • FB says:

          Paid very well, Really????

          I’ve reffed for 23 years… I am a level 4 and ref AAA hockey on a regular basis in the GTA

          An OHL ref gets probably around $60-$70. They must arrive almost an hour before the game. All in they are there for about 4 hours. That’s about $17.50 / hour, which is obviously better than flipping burgers but for the abuse it’s not a lot. We have no workers compensation and no benefits. We must pay for a “tertiary” POS insurance plan. Lets just say it’s not for the money. I do it for the exercise and quite honestly I very much enjoy it

          That being said in 23 years of reffing I have:

          Had garbage cans and many other objects thrown at me
          My car vandalized
          Punched in the face numerous times by players and parents
          Verbally abused almost daily
          Death threats
          Countless bruises
          Cracked rib
          Fat lips
          Witnessed numerous parents fighting in the stands
          filled out 3 police reports
          Been in the Toronto Star twice
          Had the police called as parents wanted me charged with assault.

          The last stat I heard was still well above 50% of first year referees don’t return. It was at 80% for a while and it may still be up there.

          btw I agree Lee is brutal.

        • Chris says:

          NHL referees are paid relatively well. Junior officials are not nearly in that stratosphere.

          NHL referees are typically $100,000 – $200,000 per year.

          AHL referees are typically $50,000 – $100,000 per year, but only if they are on a two-way contract that sees them eligible to officiate in the NHL too. Otherwise, they are paid on a per-game basis (typically $300-400 per game). 80 games * $400 would earn you $32,000 per year.

          I can’t find any information for junior hockey referees, but you can bet is in the $30,000 – $50,000 at the absolute most, and quite possibly lower than that.

          One of my friends just quit officiating at the provincial Midget level because he was just tired of all the abuse from the players, the coaches and the parents. He was getting about $20 per hour.

          Most of the referees are doing it because they love the game and they enjoy the exercise. They certainly aren’t doing it as a full-time career, because they can’t afford to.

          There are only 33 full-time NHL referees and 9 part-time (AHL/NHL) referees this year. Most of those guys have been around for many years. You are probably introducing 2-4 new referees per year. The competition to get to the professional leagues is absolutely fierce.

          For most refs, I have a hard time getting on them because of how hard it was to get there. Also, I’ve had the opportunity to see just how bad OHL officials are comparatively…most NHL refs are leaps and bounds better than what goes on in junior.

          Chris Lee is a notable exception…nobody can really figure out what he is doing in the league.

    • JUST ME says:

      Other than what we find obvious about his job i just do not understand why the league does not notice that the flow of his games are never as are all the other ones.
      Refs are human they make mistakes,it goes both ways bla bla bla. But the rythm of the game tells it all in my book as much as a team being outscored, outplayed or whatever, when a ref becomes a factor in a game in any way, there is a problem.

    • Habitforming says:

      Habs now 3 wins in 16 in games reffed by Chris Lee in the last three years

  42. Un Canadien errant says:

    Heard on TEAM 1040 Vancouver:

    “If they fired Mike Gillis and hired Gary Bettman to replace him, fans would still cheer.”

    This witticism is in the same vein as this old joke:

    A player is told that one of his teammates has just been traded.

    “Great trade,” he says. “Who did we get in return?”

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …the Sedins on a down-trend and almost nothing among their prospects

      …I hope Gillis is replaced with Markus Naslund …at least he would help their fans re-connect emotionally

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Markus coming back to the franchise in a front-office role, to learn the ropes so to speak, would be great for the Canucks.

        • Chris says:

          Can’t see it happening. Naslund is happily engaged as the general manager at MoDo, with Peter Forsberg serving as his assistant GM. While Naslund loved Vancouver, MoDo is where his heart is, and he was very happy to return to Sweden full-time at the end of his career.

          I honestly don’t see him coming back to North America…more likely route, if he is successful at MoDo, is that he takes over the Swedish national team at some point.

  43. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …redacted :)

  44. RetroMikey says:

    Wow, this must be the third day off in less than 2 weeks for the Habs.
    Wonderful unions in North America we have.
    I wonder if the family joined them to the Sunshine State?
    77% of passionate fans think the Habs will win the series against the more disciplined team of Tampa Bay?

    Let’s be realistic.


    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  45. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Hello fellow Hab Fans. Hopefully, we can officially stop the Ottawa dream on friday. There are a few players that can use some confidence (Galchenyuk, Eller). How bad was Eller last night? Also, how I normally do not complain however, what if the officiating is this bad in the playoffs…Im off to go watch Chelsea PSG so CHeers.

  46. Luke says:

    Ok, I’m going to start fixing hockey, with a few subtle changes.
    1) No more “half-a$$ed a-feared of making a change Hybrid icing.” Full switch to No-Touch.

    2) No more neutral-zone faceoffs. Centre Ice for the start of a period, after a goal or incase of an accidental whistle/miss-call.
    2i) Pucks deflected out of play in the offensive zone, by the team on offense result in a faceoff in the offensive zone.
    2ii) An offside results in a faceoff back in your defensive zone. Don’t like it? Don’t go offside.
    2iii) You cannot make a line change after an icing, you can make a line change after an offisde or other stoppage.

    3) If you are on the penalty kill, you CANNOT ice the puck. (Seriously, “Hey cheater, we caught you cheating. Here’s your punishment. Oh, but since we are punishing you, let’s change the rules and give you a benefit to offset the punishment. This is the NHL after all, we don’t really want to punish you for cheating.”)
    3i) The NJD lose that 1st rounder they had returned to them.

    4) The draft: It is now serpentine. If you pick 1st in the first round, you now pick last in the second round. It works it’s way up the standings and then down the standings.

    5) The refs meet with the media. They can explain why the did or did not make a call. They will answer questions. For the first while this will be annoying. But, I think it’ll eventually force more consistent behaviour from the refs.

    6) You can have as many coaches as you want. You can have one coach (the head coach) behind the bench.

    • Cal says:

      Stop typing out sense, Luke. Is Darth Vader your father?

    • Habitue says:

      Luke I couldn’t agree more regarding allowing icing during a penalty kill. This has been a pet peeve of mine for a while.
      It really devalues the two minute penalty. It just seems dumb to give a team that has broken a rule an easy way out.
      By the way. My first post in a long time.

      • krob1000 says:

        The issue would be for penalties to have even more of an impact on the game than they already do….in thoery that may sound lie a good thing but all it does is leave teh outcome entirely in the referees hands…do we really want that? Before tehy did that Iw ould think they could alter penalty length. ie 2 minutes for first “dangerous” penalty (boarding, high sticking, hit to head, elbow,etc) but 3 minute for a 2nd one or some sort of “bonus” llike basketball if too many infractions happen….again though the concern is that referees could again impact the game more.

        • Luke says:

          The outcome isn’t in the Refs hands.

          It’s in the players.
          If killing a penalty is too tough for your team, take as few penalties as possible. Don’t expect the refs to ‘go easy’ you.

          The “non-call” is just as influential as a “call”, except the “non-call” benefits the team that is cheating.

          The player impacts the game with a hook or a hold. The ref does not impact the game by making the call. The ref impacts the game by not making the call.

          • krob1000 says:

            Nice theory Luke bu there is zero consistency with referees, rules chnage by team , by player, by referee, and even then on any given night it is subject to change….penalties are the single most influential part of hockey IMO. apporximately 20 percent of them result in goals. I am just making nubmers up but lets assume teams aeraged 5 penalties a game…that would mena 1 goal per game for each team….in an average game right now I think there are around 5 goals per game. So roughly 40 percent of goals are determined by referees. You can say the players committed the act,etc all you want…I ahve never seena game that isn’t impacted and is refereed completely correctly…same goes for baseball except baseball has the technology available eto rid themselves of umpires but doesnt use it. What the referrees happen to see, how they see it and how they feel subconcsciously all affect their decisions on what to call or not call. Referees have too much power so given they have technology to viewsome isntances I think they should allow technology to take over any calls they possibly can.

          • Luke says:

            Krob, the difference between you and I on this, is that you blame the refs for calling the penalty and thus allowing the goal. I blame the player for committing the foul.

            Yes, they do make bad calls. It is going to happen. But I would wager that the number of bad calls are fewer than the number of non-calls b/c the refs don’t want to interfere. They want to “let them play” which impacts the team that was fouled and excuses the team that committed the foul.

            Using your 1 in 5. Regardless of which way the refs judge, yours or mine, that 1 in 5 stays. So in your version, the ‘cheating’ team is given the bump by allowing one less goal against as the fouled team is denied the chance to score that goal.

            I don’t know. I’m having a hard time writing that one out clearly.

    • Just A Guy says:

      You forgot taking away the trapezoid 😀

  47. Un Canadien errant says:

    Random tweet from Florida Panther tough guy:

    Krys Barch ‏@krysbarch 15h
    I guarantee that if the @TO media let the @Leafs play and worked alongside them vs against them the fans and city would benefit!!!

  48. Paz says:

    So is the season a success because we made the playoffs?

    Maybe for Molson and his suits it is.

    But what about the fans?

    Well, if you support management unconditionally, like many here, even if we are ousted in the first round we will have ” over achieved”, or ” did better than expected”, or “been ahead of our projections”.

    Yup. The “rebuilders” and “be patient” posters have their posts ready to go, and they will lead us into the summer with their ” 29 teams have to lose” posts.

    I have said from the beginning that any team stacked with this much talent should be able to win, and win consistently. When we have opened up we have beaten everyone in our path. When we play tight, defensive hockey, we have trouble scoring and we lose.

    I expect this team to win at least 1 round and I’m thinking 2 rounds is very much within reach. This is not a re-building year, and when Bergevin traded for Vanek he was telling the “be patient” fans to wake the Frk up!

    The pressure is now squarely on the coach. He has been given a huge boost with the addition of Vanek. He is expected to bring an improved result over last year’s playoff disappointment.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Paz it is all about money my man. The only time a team really and truly cares about its fans is when they are not coming to the rink

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I do hope that the habs win the first round. The sad part is Tampa is not a great match up against Montreal as they are both built similarly. Good speed, goal tending. I give the edge on D and goaltending but offense may be better in Tampa.

          Should be a relatively clean and entertaining series!

    • Cal says:

      It’s how the team does in the playoffs, as usual. A 4 or 5 and out with most of the team hampered by serious injuries is not a good playoff. This year, a 3rd round exit won’t be the end of the world to anyone but Timo.
      Being a fan, though, I hope for a Cup Final appearance even if it is unrealistic.
      And, yeah, ALL businesses are about the money. And that’s what the Habs are: a business.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I think the conceit that making the playoffs only makes Geoff Molson happy because of a few more million dollars is tired. It’s also vaguely insulting to him, since he’s made it very clear, in his words and his actions, that he’ll spare no expense, and that the ultimate goal is to have a first-class organization that contends every year.

      Last season, I think Marc Bergevin and his assistants were mildly surprised to finish so high in the standings, they were possibly expecting a team that would fight to get into the playoffs, after finishing last in the conference the previous season. The GM stood pat at the deadline, not jeopardizing the future for a putative playoff run.

      This season, again the team plays above general expectations, and Marc Bergevin adds spare part Mike Weaver, and purchases Thomas Vanek at a relative bargain. The cost is not insignificant, but it doesn’t make sense to not surround guys hitting their prime like Carey and Max and P.K., and vets like Tomas and Andrei for a playoff run.

      If the Canadiens had cleanly missed the playoffs either season, there would have been a selloff for future assets, but since the team is competitive, you can’t refuse to get in the playoffs.

      • ffenliv says:

        Well, I do think the ownership wants a deep run because it makes money.

        However, Molson saying he’ll ‘spare no expense’ is kind of something he gets to say for free. The Habs are, and will, for the foreseeable future, be at nor near the cap.

        The only area he can spend more money in is coaching and staff. Now, I’m not saying they don’t make a difference, but no one here gets all excited at ownership commitment when they add another guy to wash the towels.

        I think they also want to win because its fun, and gives them some legacy. However, I don’t think we should kid ourselves, a franchise like the Habs is an investment, not a personal pet project.

  49. Timo says:

    Shamahan is sure taking long time to think this one over.

  50. Ian Cobb says:

    Well we were the 10th team in the league to make the play offs this year.
    We have a plus +8 goals differential for and against.!
    All teams ahead of us have +24, +29, +48, +44, +26, +49, +53, +73, +83.
    Do I hear a bit of a squeak into the play offs.

  51. Mattyleg says:

    I’ll throw ‘Exploitation Centreman’ onto the pile of hilariously officious-sounding titles for hockey players, along with Possession Defenceman and Obfuscatory Goalie.

    We’ll use ‘half-boards’, ‘active stick’, and ‘upside’ as kindling and make us a nice bonfire going forward.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I prefer “Conquistador” to “Exploitation Centreman”.

      Moving. Forward.

    • shiram says:

      How about sheltered, is that ok? Can I use it?

    • Cal says:

      “Monster” post!

    • twilighthours says:

      Big body presence, Legault.

    • christophor says:

      No point engaging in conversation with you after this post.

      Seems your strategy when you disagree with someone (and don’t have a good reply) is to say it’s all smoke and mirrors (and you don’t ever explain why it’s all smoke and mirrors).

      It’s actually hilarious that you dismiss terms that have definitions with precise meanings rooted in specific stats taken by NHL statisticians. You throw them in there with meaningless cliches like “active stick” etc. And yet, your only reply is that X player “clears the crease”.

      You’re being tribal, not reasonable. Continue with sarcastic posts and unreasonable dismissals of (instead of reasoned enggement with) others’ thoughts.


      • twilighthours says:

        Or he’s just funning around.

        Geez you analytics guys are wound tight. Relax, it’s just hockey!

        • christophor says:

          It’s the only reply he’s ever made to my posts, which actually take time to put together. This isn’t just a one time thing. Now it’s passive aggressive: posted elsewhere and not in reply to my post. Seen in a vacuum, I guess it looks like I’m overreacting. I was actually far more congenial at first.

          I just don’t see how this isn’t trolling. We all occasionally troll, but just because you like the troll’s more congenial tone in most posts doesn’t mean you just say, “ok what the heck”, when he’s being a d*ck repeatedly to the same person.

          Edit: just for some perspective, Andrew Berkshire was my least favourite poster on here. I agree with a lot of what he says, though. It’s not about content. It’s one thing to say, “I disagree”, and even occasionally engage in ‘funning around’. It’s another to, without fail, reply to one poster, or anyone of a particular persuasion, by saying their contributions are vacuous, especially when it’s clear they’ve done their homework and are simply at odds with your take. I’ve been bad at disagreeing on these issues in the past, but I think I’ve worked on it and that my reply above is called for.

  52. Luke says:

    I know this will upset many here, but Scotty Bowman just tweeted:

    “Montreal and Tampa 2 very well Coached Teams should provide an interesting 1st RD Matchup Great Goaltending on both teams”

    So, Scotty would appear to be on Team Michel, not on Team Timo.

  53. Un Canadien errant says:

    Just a technical point, but if Douglas Murray is having a phone hearing with league offices about his elbow on Mike Kostka, it means according to the CBA that the suspension will be five games or fewer. An in-person hearing is required if the suspension will be longer than five games.

    And if the recipient of the elbow had been Dion Phaneuf or Nazem Kadri or Colton Orr, or Zdeno Chara or Milan Lucic or Brad Marchand, I would have to think that we’d be calling it the People’s Elbow.

    Or Eric Gryba. Or Chris Neil. Or …

    • Luke says:

      I’m curious is Shanahan will view this as more or less egregious than a “Jaw-Breaking cross check to the face of an opponent by a Repeat Offender.”

    • Timo says:

      … all of which would be perfect candidates for Murray’s elbow.

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      If it was anyone on Boston it would be called a hockey play & no suspension. If it was against Boston Murray would get 15 games.

      Campbell’s daddy gets upset when his team might get hurt.
      (You’re fooling yourself if you think he’s still not pulling the strings)

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

    • Habitforming says:

      Anyone else think Gryba and Goudas are the same person?

  54. The Jackal says:

    I love Boone’s blog and think he is a linchpin of HIO, but man does Booner ever stoke the fires of the Habs apocalypti.

    One bad game after a stretch of 9 good efforts and 8 wins, and all of a sudden the Habs may be in danger of getting absolutely dominated in the first round.

    You know what, good on Tampa for coming out and playing a very good game against a good team. The Habs came off a stretch in which they played about 10 games in just over two weeks, so I can’ fault them if they had a bad last two periods against a contender playing at home.

    Habs match up well with the Bolts and the series will be a lot of fun to watch. It won’t be easy for either team but now that we’ve clinched we can spend time preparing and resting some guys if need be.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You’re clearly overlooking the fact that we’re doomed.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • montrealtilldeath says:

      Knew we were going to lose and commented to my son on this after 10 minutes of the first period.. The defensive strategy employed by Therrian reminded me of the Jacques Martin days when we played not to lose rather than playing to win. PK played only 17:58 last night . Price was outstanding but when you are playing to tie you will always lose. This was a gearing up for the playoffs game so I am glad we lost because it hopefully shows the coaching staff they cannot win this way. As for Therrian and his use of PK you cannot ask a stable boy to ride a thoroughbred.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think you misread the situation.

        The Habs had to contain the Lightning for the first period or so because they were always going to come out guns-a-blazing, and we did this, plus we scored on the break, which is what we had to do.

        What we didn’t do, however, is swing the game around in the 2nd period, which is what needed to be done, because of all the stupid penalties we took.

        If we get our discipline back in line, then I can see us playing a similar game in the playoffs, but doing much better at the counter-attack.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  55. Hobie Hansen says:

    Retweeted by Connor Crisp

    Derek Wills ‏@dogsplaybyplay 42m

    .@CanadiensMTL prospect @Connorcrispp will make his professional debut with @BulldogsAHL vs. @OKCBarons tonight. #Habs


    Serious toughness on the way! I love it!

  56. Timo says:

    TSN is talking about Torts getting fired soon… What a gig for Torts. “Coach” for one year, get paid for 5. Man, where do I get a gig like that?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      You could try a comedy club.

      The getting fired after one show part would be no problem.

      Moving. Forward.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That talk died down there for a few games, when Zack Kassian and David Booth were scoring a few goals. As Torts put it, now that he’s lost a game again, he’s the “idiot”.

      The Canucks ‘went for it’ for a few years and are now paying for it with an aging team and a depleted farm team. It really hurts them that their scouting and drafting has been abysmal in the last decade. Hiring John Tortorella was a fundamental mistake, but firing him won’t really fix anything.

    • AH says:

      I actually thought Torts would be the guy to put Vancouver over the top, but man talk about Oil and water…then Vigneault (sp.?) in NY is doing ok, so are the ranting, raving lunatic type coaches no longer effective?

      I guess we’ll see how long Roy lasts, lol!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The accepted wisdom was, at the start of the season, that the Canucks were ill-suited to play his tough, defensive shot-blocking style, and that’s been proven to be right. The stars, the Sedin brothers and Alex Edler and Ryan Kesler had disappointing seasons offensively, and suffered many injuries.

        The hope that he’d “light a fire” failed spectacularly, epitomized by his ‘attempted foray’, as Ray Ferraro put it, into the Flames’ dressing room. No one has overtly quit, but the team is disjointed, shocked at this coaching style after the way Alain Vigneault handled them, which is to say like adults and pros.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Seems to be a perfect example of meddling owner makes team worse. Most people saw this as a bad fit, not from a personality perspective, but the style of play as you point out. With the style of play not fitting then the personality became more of a lightning rod.

          A friend of mine has a contact with the Canucks who is around the locker room all the time, he said it is a poisonous environment this season.

      • Hstands4Hockey says:

        Pffft, Torts is too tough on guys he’s sacred the Sedin Sisters back to Stockholm. They need someone soft like AV to hod their hand and thell them everything is going to be okay.

        Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          That’s very clever of you, to equate the Sedin twins to women. It works on so many levels!

          • Hstands4Hockey says:

            Happy to entertain.

            Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

  57. montreal ace says:

    A win would have been nice last night, but I am glad we will be facing TBL instead of the Wings or Blue Jackets. I think there are going to be quite a few players on the Habs, whose future with the team will be decided during the playoffs. PK’s play has been less then stellar lately and I’m wondering if he is just tired, his game requires a lot of energy. MB and his management team did a good job this year, as I think the team can do some damage. Price was fabulous this season and because of him we can cruise into the playoffs and rest some players. I think the team over achieved a touch so I am happy with the job MT has done.

    • krob1000 says:

      Several times last night Tampa aggressively attacked PK…and PK normally is able to break free or avoid a forecheck on hs own…but his partner at least has to be an option, Hwere he realyl got into troublw was with no pace to back up ( if he has room behind him he protectst the puck or spins away as good as wnyone in the game)…but when he is behind the net he needs to have a support option …..he had noone a couple of times and plain fumbled the puck a couple of other times. He will be fine.

    • AH says:

      PK pretty much had 2 weeks off during the Olympics, he’s the last guy on this team who should be tired and I bet he’d say the same.

      Once his “supporting cast” gets better, he is going to be a force out there all the time

    • Stimpy007 says:

      PK tired? Is that a joke? He was skating circles around everyone and MT lowered his TOI for doing so??

      Let him loose, he is more effective when he’s Subban not some conservative boring dman they are trying to turn him into.

      Release the PKrakin!!

  58. Timo says:

    “We absolutely like the way Michel handles the time,” goaltender Carey Price said. “The seasons are long. In hindsight, we’re not working 9-to-5, but we’re putting in a pretty physical 4-to-5. Over the course of the season, it’s not just the physical, but it’s more the mental toll. It’s good to get those days off.”

    I weep for them.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      C’mon Timo, you use this quote to add oomph to your leitmotif about them getting too many days off, but you gloss over the fact that this is a quote from a player specifically praising the head coach.

    • AH says:

      LOL! What I find hilarious Timo is the majority on here are totally ok with all their days off, but forget how often they absolutely suck in the games when they’ve had days off, case in point last night. The you got their great leader Gionta saying “that’s not the effort we wanted and not how we wanted to get in” and blah blah blah, but he never offers solutions to why they suck all the time after time off to get supposedly “re-energized and rested”.

  59. byebyegomez says:

    I liked the post about Desharnais and am in agreement. Galchenyuk needs to be developed into our #1 centre but has to have the opportunity to do so.
    Obviously it won’t happen this year but this is what I would like to see next year.

    Patches – Chucky – Vanek

  60. Timo says:

    I am not worried about Murray sitting for a bit – Franky Bouillon will be able to cover his minutes easily. Double shift him, COY.

  61. krob1000 says:

    Murray deserves 2 or 3 games under current NHl punitive system IMO. The fact that he is generally regarded as a physical but clean player and the fact he led with his shoulder tucked (but elbow out) will show he was trying to hit him…he just was way off and the result was not good. The fact it was later in the game so he didn’t miss much of that game may indicate 3 games….OR…they view it that the penalty pretty well ended the game for the HAbs in a very important home ice battle game. 2 or more. He didn’t move witht he elbow trying to catch him with it…he just went in with bad form…clearly no intent though..but due to inury have to give something.

  62. Timo says:

    I think Kostka should been suspended for embellishment. What’s with all the theatrics with the stretcher?

    • krob1000 says:

      I thought the exact opposite…I am not sure it was the right thing to do but you have to respect the heart of Kostka not wanting to get on the stretcher. He got off teh ice and then once past the bench…he needed help walking to tehroom…too damn proud for the help on the ice…not the smartest thing to do …but extremely admirable at the same time.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah, what is up with these guys and their concussions, can’t they just stop the faking already!!! (rolling eyes)

      Unbelievable Timo, you truly are a piece of work.

      • Timo says:

        Sigh, Burlington. Nevermind.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I got you Timo, I understood what you were after there. HiB is getting so worn down by the trolls who crawl out of septic tank after every loss, he just can’t see straight.

          “We will play in the playoffs only with a misplaced nonsensical punctuation mark in the middle of the non-sequitur.”

  63. christophor says:

    Getting rid of Eller at his lowest value would be dumb, just like getting rid of Desharnais at his lowest value would have been dumb. Who knows whose head everyone (including Boone, usually) will be calling for in December.

    Since he’s turned his play around, most ppl have come around to thinking Desharnais should stay long term. I still don’t think so. I think there are really good reasons why the Habs will have a really hard time winning a Stanley Cup with Desharnais (at least as he’s deployed). I know ppl won’t be as open to this as before, but I’m being consistent and haven’t been given a good enough reason to change my mind. Desharnais’ success for the last 50 games isn’t a good enough reason, as you’ll see.

    Desharnais is really poor defensively, which Therrien recognizes (as did Martin) and mitigates by starting his line in the offensive zone more often than the other lines, and against the opposition’s lower lines if he can manage it (plus he keeps him off the PK). Desharnais is playing what are called ‘easy minutes’; he’s an ‘exploitation’ centerman. In fact, if you look at the data, during Desharnais’ struggles earlier in the season, Therrien was for some strange reason playing him in tougher minutes: more d-zone starts and against tougher competition. He came out of his funk when that, plus his bad luck, stopped.

    Having to play one of your centermen in easy minutes isn’t necessarily crippling. Some really good players get easy minutes when their coach can manage it. Under Vigneault, the Sedins got easy minutes, but they don’t under Tortarella and they’re struggling in part because that hasn’t been their game.

    But the Sedins produced enough for that to make sense, and they got to game 7 of the final doing that. Desharnais does not and never will produce enough for this deployment to result in a Stanley Cup. Plus, he demands more of his team to set him up in a position to succeed. I’ll explain.

    If a Stanley Cup team deploys an exploitation centerman, two simple (but significant) conditions need to obtain:

    (1) The other lines must be capable of playing in tough minutes in order to insulate the exploitation line.

    (2) The exploitation centerman needs to produce enough to make this worthwhile (otherwise the whole team is propping him up unjustifiably).

    The Canadiens meet condition (1), especially with Plekanec, but not (2). There are a lot of players who play way tougher minutes and produce way more than Desharnais. Plekanec almost produces as much and the toughness of his minutes are in another league compared to Desharnais’ (see point totals and minute quality for last three years). Here are the reasons the Habs’ use of Desharnais cripples them:

    (1) Doesn’t produce enough to justify the set up

    (2) Needs obscenely good wingers who are not also just exploitation players but capable of tougher minutes (Gallagher, Pacioretty). In other words, he forces tough-minutes players into lesser roles.

    If Desharnais could produce with Briere and a Kovalev-type player, his line could be even better propped up by a tough-minutes pairing of Plekanec and Pacioretty, who themselves would produce more. This would shift Desharnais to a lower line exploitation role. He’d have less minutes and lesser wingers, and he’d still be propped up (i.e. still be in easy minutes). He’d still need to produce, but only secondary scoring. But even in this role, I’d rather a 30-40 point Lars Eller who can take some pressure off Plekanec and Pacioretty and so allow them to produce more (even though the latter would still play tough minutes).

    But this isn’t an Eller vs. DD issue. The big problem is that Galchenyuk needs to play center soon, and he’ll need to start in an exploitation role, shifting gradually to tougher minutes as he learns to handle them. Plekanec’s line will take pressure off him, but it won’t be enough with Desharnais on this team as well. A team can’t have two exploitation lines; unless you’re playing the Buffalos of the world, there aren’t enough easy minutes. If Desharnais stays, Galchenyuk will be forced into tougher minutes right away and with lesser wingers. He’ll be set up to fail. I don’t think Bergevin will let that happen, since Galchenyuk is the centerpiece he brought in himself. Plus, I think Galchenyuk will produce more than Desharnais, sooner rather than later, in the same minutes. He already produced more than Desharnais last year with less ice time and in much tougher minutes (as did Eller, since Eller and Galchenyuk took secondary tough minutes after Plekanec), albeit Galchenyuk did this from the wing.

    I think Desharnais should (and I think he will) be traded in the off-season, especially since his value is decent. If not, the latest I see it happening is next summer.

    • krob1000 says:

      I am taking a hiatus on that issue until after the season…then you will have an ally…for now …we are approaching the playoffs and need DD clicking..not going to change things at this point

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’ve thought of the same issues for a while. I think of David Desharnais as a small, scrappy scrum half who’s not fast or able to advance the ball, but is superb in how he plays with his forwards and distributes the ball. Or a pure cover cornerback who doesn’t play the run very well or tackle much, but can blanket the opposition #1 receiver and effectively take him out of the game, neutralize that threat.

      Hockey players need to be generalists to a greater degree than my two examples above, but you can have room on your team for a specialist if what he does is head and shoulders above everybody else. Offhand I can think of Adam Oates and Craig Janney, who could pass the puck and set up their teammates like nobody’s business, but were pretty one-dimensional.

      With Thomas Vanek on his line, it’s not enough for David to produce at a 60-65 points a year pace, he has to be at least a point-a-game player, at least, to offset the cascade of roster choices he creates by being on it (Tomas Plekanec as the checker, Lars Eller on the third line, Alex Galchenyuk being eased in on the wing, Max grafted onto his hip,…)

      So while as a fan I appreciate how he plays, and enjoy watching him more than any other centreman on the team, and I make allowances for the stupidity of how the NHL is run and how much more he could produce if the refereeing was managed toward rather against his style of play, David needs to kick it into an even higher gear the rest of the season. With these two wingers, games like yesterday won’t be acceptable. He needs to get results. His line has to give our team the lead and constantly keep the other on their heels, their head spinning. Anything less, and David’s contribution to the team is almost a net negative.

      My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

      • krob1000 says:

        He had a rough go last night but one thing that did impress me…he was willing to shot the puck…more than usual anyway…he should ahve taken that shot wit Vanek int he slot on the pp where patches hit the base of the net and overt the glass but a few other times he tried to shot…if he does this more it will open things up.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I did note that play where he deked through the Tampa players and took a good shot on net, that’s something he didn’t use to do, so he’s starting to adapt his game. As 10912 points out also, he’s starting to understand that the puck may come back now, not just go to Max and get shot at the net, or go to Brendan and get stuffed under a goalie pad, with gusto.

          • krob1000 says:

            That was a good shot…there was another where he put it right into the breadbasket…..Ithink that was what made him hesitate on the pp one that Vanek wanted him to shoot. Vanek drew two defenders inthe slot and goaliew oudln;t ahve seen much…shoudl have shot that one…but the fact he was making an effort is progress.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        He was the recipient of more then one pass from Vanek last night and he looked absolutely shocked that the puck came to him. Perhaps he’s been accustomed to being on the other side of the pass that he’s out of place when asked to receive. (Gosh that sounded dirty).

        • krob1000 says:

          Very true…I think he needs to realize that with Gally and MAx he had two shooters, with Vanek he is palying with a guy who is actually a better playmaker than he is…that is new to DD…so l’ll hope he gets a little more prepared and in shooting position more often…kinda funny actually for him.

      • christophor says:

        Well put. But I think it’s smarter to bet on your star-in-the-making (Galchenyuk) taking the reins within the next few years rather than on your small center, who’s in his late 20’s, changing or upping his game significantly.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m not thinking David can take it to another level, but that with his current level of play, with a much better winger, his point totals will take off. They have to. He can’t be satisfied with his former level of production, that’s not enough.

          It’s like if your boss gives you a generous amount of time and resources to complete a project, and you come up with a so-so effort. That’s not good enough. If she gives you the time to knock it out of the park, you have to knock it out of the park. A bloop double won’t cut it.

          • christophor says:

            I see. But I see other exploitation centermen getting more than a point per game without needing their team’s two best wingers. The displacement throughout the lineup would still be a factor if Desharnais upped his production to, say, 70-80 pts. In fact, the increase in points is precisely due to demanding a second winger who drives the play AND can score a lot. That’s a whole lot to ask for and depletes the rest of the lineup, especially in a cap world.

            Also, we reasonably believe Galchenyuk can surpass that someday, and with less easy minutes and less displacement throughout the lineup. I don’t think he can get off the ground while Desharnais has easy minutes + Pacioretty + Vanek/Gallagher.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Note that I said in my original post:

            he has to be at least a point-a-game player, at least

            The 70-80 points per season level you use in your example doesn’t apply to my point.

          • christophor says:

            Right, sorry. But I still think my latest comment goes through, even if you bring him up to a point per game.

            We’ll agree on this: for there to be a chance of DD working
            here on a contender, he does have to produce a lot more.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I would say they have go their results . They have been more than a point per game since they were united they have been one of the hottest lines in the NHL

        • christophor says:

          Right, but that’s very short-term production (i.e. small sample). Their shooting percentages are unsustainably high right now and they’re scoring on more than twice the percentage of their chances that comparable lines score at.

          I don’t think it’s sustainable. DD will produce at a good clip with this set up, but it won’t be enough for how much it takes away from the rest of the team.

          • boing007 says:

            Yep, that’s the sticking point. DD does take away too much from the rest of the team the way it is configured now.

            Richard R

    • JUST ME says:

      I have no idea on wich planet you are living. How many players appart D.D. makes his teammates better on the Habs ? That alone shows you his value. And you seriously think that if he was to be delt away he would go without Max Pac ? And to satisfy your wish you would be willing to trade away Max Pac ?
      At least half the team should be traded before D.D. , cheap,skilled and within the top point getter of the team. What more do you want ?
      I have no doubt that Galchenyuk qill be one of our better players in a year of two but the error you are making is forgetting that he is still just a kid. Just to have stayed in the NHL and hold is ground shows you how talented and promissing he is.

      • krob1000 says:

        Ouch…I just bit my tongue.

      • christophor says:

        I’m not sure what you think DD has over Bergevin’s head that makes you think DD decides whether Pacioretty stays or goes (with him). Edit: on the contrary, Bergevin has 5 more years of a contract over Pacioretty’s head. Even though Pacioretty might be upset, I think he’ll be happy soon enough playing with a 22+ year old Galchenyuk.

        Also, your point about Galchenyuk ignores the entire reasoning of the post. I say he’ll need Desharnais’ role to get to the point you yourself say he’ll get to. If you don’t think so, let’s hear why not.

    • matrags says:

      Good post, hope for adjustment next yr.

  64. Luke says:

    Just like last year, I am going to post this in each thread today just in case some folsk who might like to read it don’t visit the previous pages or threads.

    In Light of World Autism Awareness Day, thought I’d link this here and quote what I thought were the key points. It’s a good base analogy of what Autism is. Used by a mother to explain it to a grade school class her child is in.
    The post is from 2010 and sent to me by a good friend whose little one is Autistic. Hope you don’t mind…

    “Having autism means that your brain is put together differently. Your brain still works perfectly well. It just does things differently from other people’s brains.
    “Now, we all know that your brain is a machine that’s made of tissue and neurons and nerve cells. But let’s pretend it was a more simple machine. Let’s pretend your brain wasn’t made of tissue and neurons and nerve cells, but instead, it was made of metal and plastic and electrical wires. And let’s pretend that when you put that metal and plastic and electrical wire together, it turned into a toaster.”

    “And let’s pretend that MOST of us had toaster brains. Some of us might make white toast and some wheat toast or rye toast, and some of us might make light toast and some of us dark toast. Some of us might only toast bagels, and sometimes we might even burn the toast, but for the most part, all of our brains would be able to do the same thing: make toast.

    “Now, think about the pretend world that we have just created. In our world, MOST people have toaster brains. So, when we make the rules for our world and decide how we want to spend our time, what do you think we’ll decide is the MOST important thing a person can do?” … Toast.
    ” Because we have brains that are really GOOD at making toast – so we will want to have a world where it’s REALLY important and REALLY valuable to make toast. “
    “Now let’s pretend that Bud’s brain is ALSO made of metal and plastic and electrical wires, just like our brains, except that when HIS metal and plastic and electrical wires get put together, they turn into a totally different kind of machine. Instead of being a TOASTER, Bud’s metal and plastic and electrical wires turn into a HAIR DRYER.”
    “Now, there’s nothing WRONG with a hair dryer, right? Hair dryers are great! There are some things that hair dryers are really good for. There are some things that a hair dryer can do even BETTER than a toaster. But it is REALLY, REALLY hard to make toast with a hair dryer.”
    “So, in our pretend world, even though Bud has a perfectly wonderful hair dryer brain, it’s going to be hard for him, because we toaster-brained people have decided that the most important thing that people do in our world is make toast. And Bud probably can make toast with his hair dryer, right? But he is going to have to work a lot harder to make toast with his hair-dryer brain than we will with our toaster brains. It will probably take him a lot longer to make his toast. And no matter how hard he works, his hair-dryer toast will probably always look different from our toaster toast.”

    • bwoar says:

      Post away Luke, this is a great message.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      And I’ll continue to thank you for posting. CHeers Luke!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So glad you posted this, my neighbours young boy has autism and he finally got into an excellent program this year and his progress is through the roof. I was at their house on the weekend and the little fellow not only said Hi to me but he also said, Hi Gerry! For two years I have said Hi to Aaron and never got a word back, was an amazing feeling. His father tells me his son is going to be an Air Conditioning expert because when they go for walks he runs to check every single houses air conditioner. Next year they are getting a trained dog to help with Aaron, it is going to be exciting to watch him work with a specially trained dog to help him through his autism.

      Thanks Luke!

      • Luke says:

        My pleasure folks.

        As you know, it’s awesome to see progress.
        My best friend’s little one (well, 5 1/2, now) has made so many strides, it’s awesome. She always wants to go the pub with “UncleLucas” now.
        Edit from last weekend:
        Me: I have to go now, but it was nice playing with you..
        Her: No. You stay.
        Me: No, I can’t. I have to go see my other friends at the pub.
        Her: OK, I’ll go too.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Every milestone is celebrated. Your neighbors have been blessed.

  65. bwoar says:

    Great play by Murray. Send a message. A Winnipeg message!

    (Note: A Selkirk message would come with wood screws or rusty nails.)

  66. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Annnd… Phone hearing for Murray means 5 or less, right? Cool.

  67. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    So, are the Habs a four-line team, or a grinding team? Or are they a four-line grinding team? Maybe Vanek reduces the grindinginess, and increases the four-lineosity? Although I liked seeing Vanek do some hitting last night. And I’d like to see Eller in the press box in Ottawa. His o-zone penalty fetish isn’t cute any more.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      I would like to see Danny B and chucky get more than 8 and 10 minutes respectively. I could live with lars and bourque taking a seat.

      Shaker out!

  68. Black Horse says:

    “Price on short end of goalie duel”. Really? What duel? Bishop was never tested once!

  69. Hobie Hansen says:

    Too bad that Murray elbow wasn’t on Lucic instead. I would have liked to see a Bruins player jump in after and get pounded by Murray as well.

  70. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    As in, “Go forth and multiply.” I do know how too spel.

  71. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:


  72. HabinBurlington says:

    So the boys are staying at Innisbrook, great place, stayed there for a golf trip with the boys a few years back. Had Copperhead course all to ourselves, PGA course this year the tournament was named Valspar Championship.

    Hope the boys golfing today don’t have the problem I experienced, cougar on a golf cart followed us all round, must have bought drinks on 14 out of 18 holes……

    Great course from what I recall. 2 of the other courses on site are nice as well.

  73. RH says:

    No injuries to report. Good. I was worried about Markov and Emelin. Can’t lose 3 defensemen when there’s still positioning to clamp down on.

  74. jimmy shaker says:

    Et la but!

    shaker out!

  75. ffenliv says:

    There’s another factor which I think is important to keep in mind. The Autism that you ‘see’, that is, what you expect Autistic people to appear as in public, and the Autism as it is defined medically are probably quite different.

    Growing up (I’m 32), kids with Autism acted very ‘strangely’, and had certain physical manifestations. Now, Autism is defined more broadly, and takes in whole groups of people who, 30 years ago, would probably just have been considered ‘odd’.

    So, between the expanding definition, and efforts to diagnose, cases of Autism are ‘going up, with an actual increase in the afflicted numbers.

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