Pens on ropes after gong show in Philly; Canucks on brink

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Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby, hardly an innocent bystander on this afternoon, stands over some of the human wreckage at Wells Fargo Center on Sunday.
Bruce Bennett, Getty Images

Old-time hockey, some were calling it. Perhaps, if old-time hockey involved chasing opponents around the rink, trying to decapitate them. Or crosschecking a guy in the throat after he’d levelled someone else with a terrific, clean bodycheck. Or meant pulling hair. You know, just the regular stuff.

When the smoke cleared, and there was plenty of it, the Pittsburgh Penguins had almost fully imploded Sunday afternoon in Philadelphia, losing a gong show 8-4 after two nights earlier having lost 8-5 on home ice. The Flyers now hold a commanding 3-0 lead with two days off until Wednesday’s Game 4.

Elsewhere:

• In Los Angeles, Jonathan Quick’s shutout goaltending was one goal better than that offered by Vancouver’s Cory Schneider, the Kings’ 1-0 win over the Canucks putting L.A. up 3-0 and moving last spring’s Stanley Cup-finalist on the brink of elimination.
• In Detroit, former Canadien Sergei Kostitsyn scored what would be the winner and the Predators hung on for dear life to defeat the Red Wings 3-2 and take a 2-1 lead in their series.
• In Sunrise, Fla., the Panthers clawed to a 4-2 win over New Jersey, tying at 1-1 the series between Florida and the Devils.

Meanwhile, New York Rangers’ Carl Hagelin was suspended three games by the NHL for his Saturday elbow to the head of Ottawa’s Daniel Alfredsson, while the Senators’ Matt Carkner was banned for one game for his punching-bag routine on New York’s Brian Boyle in the same game.

676 Comments

  1. The Jackal says:

    I don’t get STL, they are starting Elliot tonight, but didn’t Halak get them a shutout last game, also, Elliot lost the first game.

  2. sane hockey fan says:

    I guess Stubbs closed his eyes for Montreal-Quebec games back in the day so as to not offend his delicate sensibilities.

  3. HabFanSince72 says:

    Patrick Roy getting into a war of words with a 16 year old, and sounding like a bit of a tit. Augurs poorly for him as a NHL GM.

    http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/sports/remparts/201204/14/01-4515443-la-foule-irrite-mackinnon.php


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    • Aybara says:

      I love Roy, but the drama he would bring would just spin out of control here. We think its bad now with people saying Subban is a cancer in the room. If Roy comes in I can only imagine the next level of circus that this team will evolve to.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Ya I think the risk outweighs the possible reward with Roy behind the bench. I wouldn’t be too upset if they did name Roy as coach though, just a bit nervous.

        • Aybara says:

          He would be exciting, that’s for sure. I hope he would reign in some of his ego, but I find that doubtful. He might be just what the team needs though and he might be able to light a fire under the players.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      We call that a “Milbury”.

      • RGM says:

        Milbury would strike the kid with his shoe.

        Oh no, in a heated playoff series the coach is trying to get under the skin of the other team’s young star player…truly this is unbecoming of a head coach.

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      Actually, I read the quotes and I would not really call it a war of words. Roy is just sticking up for his fan base. Definitely missed the part where he sounds like a tit though.
      I don’t see that as a bad thing, but I’m not convinced that Roy is ready to be an NHL coach yet either.

      Go Habs Go!!

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    • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

      I fail to see what he said in there that made him seem like a tit. He just came to the defense of the fans in Quebec, which seems like the reasonable thing to do. He said that Mackinnon was playing good hockey, but that he would probably find it harder if the fans in Quebec gave him as much of a hard time as the fans in Halifax were giving Louis Domingue.

      I didn’t read anything that seems out of bounds. Roy has had his fair share of blow-ups, but this isn’t one of them.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        It’s a bit of a longer rant in the interview on rds. And he’s still having a battle of wits with a child.


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        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          Again, I don’t see the battle of the wits part here. Until I see something on RDS, I will base my opinion on the link you provided.

          To me, it just seems like typical media bs. A reporter asked Mackinnon about the crwod in Quebec. He gave a pretty silly response. The reporter then went back to Roy for a comment on what Mackinnon said, and Roy stood up for the fans and said the kid was playing good hockey but might have trouble if they got on his case like the Halifax people did on Quebec’s players.

          That’s it, that’s all. No scandal here.

    • New says:

      I didn’t get that out of the article. The child you refer to is showing up the big center many of the fans seem to think walks on water (no skating on ice isn’t the same thing). Quebec and Roy should have finished that series off at four straight.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Nathan Mackinnon said something stupid, a reporter asked Patrick Roy about it and he answered the question. What’s the problem?
      All you’ve done is call Patrick Roy a “tit”, then post a link that doesn’t support your statement.

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    • Strummer says:

      You have to consider that at the NHL level coaches and exec’s aren’t exposed to situations where they interact as much with fans, bystanders. Like the sitaution with Roy and the team bus when he had to apologize.

      NHL coaches are insulated from these situations.

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  4. Habfan10912 says:

    Isles do a PG and fire assistant coaches Chynoweth and Allen.

  5. songles says:

    So if the Canucks are swept, does that mean the Canadiens can have Alain Vigneault back? And maybe Alex Edler too?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Is that asked as a positive or negative? I personally am not a huge fan of his

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      • songles says:

        I think he’d be at least as safe a bet as anyone else who has been mentioned for the job. He’s got two President’s Trophies and a bunch of playoff experience, and he can speak french.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        I’m also not a fan of bringing Vigneault back. I don’t want a retread. I also was not impressed with how Vigneault coached in the Finals last year. He made some very questionable decisions.

    • Strummer says:

      You’re putting the cart before the horse.
      Habs need a GM and an upgrade in on-ice talent before anyone could coach here successfully.

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      • songles says:

        Yeah I know. I was half joking anyway. No team is going to fire their coach after two President’s trophies. They will, however, move some key talent, much like Philly did last year. I can see Kesler getting traded, a goalie, and perhaps one or two of their offensive defensemen.

  6. Bripro says:

    I wonder how Gerry’s getting along with Carmen in Mexico.
    With our weather here, all that’s missing now is the beach.

  7. habs11s says:

    “Neal, who shares the team lead in playoff scoring with two goals and five points – is a repeat offender. He was suspended two games last season for a hit from behind on Derek Dorsett and was fined $2,500 this season for a high-stick to Montreal’s P.K. Subban.” -as per TSN

    Seeing how Neal has TWO separate hearings and he is a repeat offender, he should get at least 5 games, but i doubt he gets more than 1 game…
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  8. habs001 says:

    Mikhail Grigorenko and other players at this age is hard to project their ceiling level but it still has to be done…if he is a potential 70-80 point player one day you have to select him…but if you think his high side is 16-20 goals and 50 points you may have to look at someone else…

    • Ozmodiar says:

      What if Galchenyuk’s potential is also 70-80 pts? What then?

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        The problem is the most important data on Galchenyuk is missing. He missed the entire season. When he came back he was ineffective (but that is understandable).

        He is the biggest question mark in the draft.


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        • Ozmodiar says:

          And yet few will be picked before him in June.

          The question is, will Grigorenko be one of them?

        • Habfan10912 says:

          72, you think he’s probably to much of a risk at 3?

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Well, I certainly don’t know. But more to the point, how can the scouts really know?


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • boing007 says:

          Galchenyuk played six games in the playoffs and scored a couple of goals and assists. Not bad for someone coming off a season long injury. Better than Markov produced.

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          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • habs001 says:

        That is why you hire experts at a fairly good salary to make these decisions…

        • LafleurGuy says:

          Bang on. If we had L.A.’s draft performance in lucky lottery year of 2005, when we had the advantage in picking 5th and they 11th, L.A. would have Carey Price, and Guillaume Latendresse, and we would have Jonathan Quick, and Anze Kopitar. That’s just one team, and one draft. No more over-rating Trevor Timmins’ work please. Don’t even want to think about David Fisher no. 7 overall in 2007. Makes the Leafs look smarter than Timmins in taking Kadri 7th overall in 2008. Name from the past, Paul Mara was a first-rounder, 7th overall pick by Tampa Bay in 1997.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            “Don’t even want to think about David Fisher no. 7 overall in 2007. ”

            Then don’t.

            Fischer was 20th in 2006.


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          • Mark C says:

            David Fisher wasn’t picked at #7 nor in 2007. Why are you making stuff up?

          • The Jackal says:

            Yeah and I think we’re better of with CP that Quick, but I’d definitely take Kopitar over Lats ;)

          • LafleurGuy says:

            sorry, got confused, and didn’t check.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • RGM says:

            Nothing like some good counterfactual history to try and make a point eh?

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        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Even experts need data.


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  9. Bripro says:

    Damn!
    I’ve picked a Pens / Blues final.
    Sure doesn’t look too promising.
    And all the disrespect, violence and goonish behaviour.
    Bettman must be salivating!

  10. Chester says:

    Poor Sid. He is on record as saying he just doesn’t like The Pliers. Poor poor Sid. The Large Flightless Birds might have racked up a bunch of points the season, but The Pliers are inside their heads and are forcing The Birds to play Plier Hockey. That folks constitues DEFEAT. See ya next year Sid. …. unless of course The Pliers collapse …;. stay tuned …

  11. Malreg says:

    Carkner did exactly what we all wished Laraque would do back in the day. I have no problem with it.

    It’s not like he grabbed Gaborik and started beating the crap out of him. Boyle is 6″7, he is more than capable of defending himself.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Boyle is a turkey. A 6’7 fighter all of a sudden turtles when being challenged to a fight and tries to draw a penalty instead of answering the bell for roughing up Karlsson.

      Guaranteed Shanahan felt bad for suspending Carkner but he basically had to because it looked ugly, thanks to Boyle.

      • Bripro says:

        With all the teflon rubbing off on the Sham from Daddy Campbell’s office, I doubt he feels any regret whatsoever.

      • Aybara says:

        He didn’t turtle. He got dropped by a sucker punch and then filled when he was in a compromised position on the ice.

        • LafleurGuy says:

          All right, he made like turtle soup instead. Still an acquired taste.

          “May you live in interesting timeas.”

        • Bripro says:

          Suckered punch? For what? What was done to Karlson again? I’m thinking…..

          • Aybara says:

            It’s been said by others. Those were love taps, not full swings, with the gloves on. They were also done when the players were grappling and knew that they were coming. I don’t deny Boyle had something coming for him. It wasn’t a sucker punch though, it could have been a hit or a fight where he was given a chance to respond.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          If you watch the video Boyle practically sticks his chin up in the air and purposely takes a beating hoping for a PP and a suspension. He knew exactly who was on the ice and exactly what was going to happen. Seriously, watch the video.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRcDfyCkRug

          • Aybara says:

            No one should be expecting to be sucker punched. You can see Carkner saying lets go as he throws his first punch. Boyle’s off balance as well getting turned around, it’s ridiculous to say that he’s sticking his chin out trying to get a pp. All Carkner had to do was wait for another second to let Boyle accept his offer to dance and they could have gone. What he did was toss off his glove DURING the windup for his first punch.

            Ya that’s tough.. jeez

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I see it a bit differently but I guess it’s opened to interpretation.

          • Aybara says:

            Ya, clearly there is gonna be no agreement on this.

      • The Jackal says:

        Well if Boyle didn’t wanna fight, why should he have to? Carkner deserves that suspension.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Boyle is the outlier. He could have acted like Weber v. Bertuzzi, Volpe v. Rinaldo (for the hit on Briere), Bourque v. Hendricks (for concussing Niklas Backstrom). Even Tom Pyatt had more courage in taking about a dozen whacks from Gregory Campbell’s elbow pad, and not falling to the ice and turtling. Hurray for Tom and his 12 goals with the Lightning!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  12. HabFanSince72 says:

    Which sport is next to descend into violence and anarchy to satisfy the rabid American viewership, damn the concussions?

    This one!


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  13. Hobie Hansen says:

    There was some discussion earlier about the whole Carkner Vs Boyle incident so I just thought I’d post this clip from the Ottawa sun.

    I said Carkner was in the right while others disagreed. Here is a little something to further back my stance.

    Not saying I’m right or wrong, just posting the consensus from the Ottawa side.

    Ottawa Sun:

    Carkner said he wasn’t happy with Boyle’s actions in Game 1 and something had to be done to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

    Carkner said he was being a team player and just wished Boyle had defended himself.

    “It’s standing up for your teammates,” said Carkner. “I think if Boyle had just stood up and fought me — he’s a big guy (6-foot-7, 244 lbs.), he could have just held on to me or whatever, we wouldn’t be here talking.

    “I was kind of upset he did what he did. It’s hockey. I made (Boyle) aware. I don’t like doing that, but it’s playoffs. We needed to be team tough. That just kind of set the tone. The guys took over and played a great game.”

    Carkner, who played just 39 seconds before being tossed at 2:15, said there’s no place for what Boyle did, which he explained to Shanahan.

    “I pleaded my case,” said Carkner. “It was an instigated fight and I got a game misconduct. I was kicked out of that game. In my opinion, that’s enough right now.

    “We had a guy taking liberties on our smallest player. Boyle is a big fella.”

    Senators GM Bryan Murray defended Carkner.

    “We understand the league’s decision in the suspension, but are disappointed for Matt, whom we felt was being a good teammate by standing up to a tough opponent who had gone out of his way to take physical liberties on Erik Karlsson,” said Murray.

  14. habs001 says:

    Mikhail Grigorenko is now ranked 14th by Button on tsn..Subban 10th

    • Dr.Rex says:

      Funny how he had the habs choosing him 3rd in his mock draft. WE need more then a “complimentary” center with our third pick.

      And although we have been needing a big center (just like everyone else) its hardly seems like the position we are most lacking considering we have DD, Pleks and Eller. We need a LW alot more. Weird how everyone thinks Grigs is our guy.

    • Mark C says:

      Wow, he also has Mark Jankowski, who I love as a 3/4 round sleeper pick at 15! Some very unconventional rankings!

    • PureGuava says:

      and if you need proof of why Craig Button is no longer an NHL general manager – look no further.

      “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
      – Robert Anton Wilson

    • PureGuava says:

      I actually really like Button, he’s one of hockey’s good guys – I think he’s far off on this list. I understand everyone loves this Dumba kid all of the sudden, but Grigorenko has been in the number two slot of this draft for two years! One bad playoffs and he’s in the teens??

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Ryan Murray down to 12th!

      It’s going to be a weird draft.


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    • Ozmodiar says:

      Button’s making a mockery of his mock draft.

      Someone had to. Might as well be him.

  15. habs-fan-84 says:

    Playoffs have been great so far! Man, I can not remember a first round as entertaining as this. The icing on the cake: LA and Philly!

    • Dr.Rex says:

      Usually we are all indulged with the habs that we dont take notice of the other series. LASt year the 1st round was dynamic with teh Bos/Mtl, Van/CHi and Buff/Philly series. How quickly we forget.

  16. tote-road says:

    His cross-check was a bit over the top (it did make contact with his chest before his chin, btw), but I’d take Asham on the Habs again any day.

    Anyone know where Mariusz Czerkawski has been playing lately?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Schenn sold it well.


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    • LafleurGuy says:

      He’ll be in next year’s Battle of the Blades. BTW, you tube has video of Dave Brown cross-checking Tomas Sandstrom in the face and Asham didn’t quite amp up to that degree of viciousness. Sorry I don’t know how to provide the link.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I love tough players who stand up for the teammates but Asham is a total loser. He is complete bush league and should be suspended along the lines of Matt Cooke’s last suspension.

      I’d never want him on the Habs again.

    • EricInStL says:

      I though the Canadiens should have made him an offer last year.

  17. EricInStL says:

    What the next GM of the Montreal Canadiens should do is to look into the possibility of dealing the #1 pick to a GM who is in panick mode. Sorta like Vancouver or Pittsburgh if they get eliminated in 4 straight.

    Who should they target ? A guy like Kesler and Staal.

    Vancouver needs offense to help the wondertwins, and Pittsburgh need help with a denfensively minded D.

    So #1 for Kesler
    Josh Gorges + Diaz or Weber + Pleks for Staal and their #2 pick.

    The best time to trade is with a GM who has to do a move, sorta like Burke with Boston, he needed to make a slash and get a scorer fast. Now Boston is set for the next 10 years…..

    • Mark C says:

      You think it’s a good idea to trade the #3 pick for a 28 year old, who didn’t even get 50 points this year? Yikes.

      • EricInStL says:

        2009-2010 75pts 104 pim
        2010-2011 73 pts 66 PIM 41 goals
        2011-2012 77 games 49pts, yes but the whole team had fewer pts as a whole.

        Of course the Canadiens don’t need him. Let’s go get a russian who has issues with being motivated on a team that has the next coach of the Canadiens.

        Sounds like a foolproof plan.

        • Mark C says:

          Of course, Montreal could use Kesler, but not at the expense of a #3 pick. Kesler will be 28 next season, meaning he only has a few more peak years left. Odds are the #3 pick will be as good if not better than Kesler, plus Montreal gets to keep him at cost control dollars from his 18-to-27 year old seasons. Whereas Kesler costs $5M on the cap into his 30s.

          Who says the Habs will draft a Russian? Honestly, you’re just making that red herring up.

          • EricInStL says:

            Nope it seems from all accounts it’s Roy all the way. Problem is who will want to be the GM of a possible out of control coach who has a direct line of communication with the Boss ?

            You would never have the final say.

    • LizardKing1967 says:

      R u nuts? Trade Gorges?
      Please. Go troll somewhere else.

      Drive for 25. 2012-2013. Max-Pac for Conn Smyth.

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      • EricInStL says:

        yes trade Gorges because in the NHL you have to give in order to get. Fantasy trades where the Canadiens screw everyone else happens all the time.

        See what Philly had to trade to LA and Columbus in order to get what they got.

        Gorges is not what will make you win a Stanley Cup….

        Drive for 25 ??? More like Staaled at 24…..

    • The Jackal says:

      Our pick, Gorges – a cornerstone of our D and a heart player, a depth D that is useful, and our best two-way player? For.. Cry baby Kesler and 2nd round pick? OR Staal? I don’t thinks so sir. We’d lose a lot and gain little. By taking Grig or Galchenyuk then we get the player we have wanted for so long, from their first year in the NHL onwards, and for a very low cap hit. I would trade something like what you propose for a player of Malkin’s caliber, but otherwise it’s best we keep our pick. It builds our assets and keeps our cap low.

      • EricInStL says:

        It would cost more to get Malkin. You would have to put PK in.

        hey I would love to get Malkin out of Pittsburgh, but now that I think about it, they would ask for PK and Price. Now unless you still love Halak, you cannot put Price in there.

        Seriously Gorges is good, but he’s not great. Let’s be honest, he should be #3 after Markov, and PK and even Emelin will be better than him by next year.

        • The Jackal says:

          :S well if I loved Halak or not we wouldn’t have him. The trade your propose, if it happened, would hopefully net us more than Staal or Kesler. I think there are some players on the team that are untouchable, and we should remember that 3rd overall is a very good pick, we should keep building our assets.

    • mrhabby says:

      last night BILL suggested …Price and Pleks for Malkin and Fleury.

  18. adamkennelly says:

    you can’t teach size..you also can’t teach aggression…the Flyers are pounding the Pens, who can’t deal with it. can you imagine what they would do to our Habs team? hopefully the GM to be is taking notes….

    • JoeC says:

      If Pits would play there game and stop with all the crap they keep pulling, and this includes the canadian saviour, whos golden goal was just crap, then this series woudl be different. THe problem is the Penguins came hitting and wanting to fight Philly and thats why there in this hole, i still dont understand why the Penguins are just being so stupid.

      Oh, and MA Fleury is terrible.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      It’s Pitts that are the aggressors.

      Philly’s best players are Giroux and Briere, who are both quite small.


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  19. JoeC says:

    Why is there so much talk about trading Markov? I mean, he got better every game he played this year, and hes only going to get better with the summer to keep strengthing his knee and will get a whole training camp next year? How fast are some of you giving up on our best defencmen? wow, give the guy a break, hese not the reason our team was utterly terrible this year, and no, it wasnt Price either!

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Would like to see him stay and play well, but the unknowns about how much of his old form can re-appear opens the door to using him as an asset that could bring a good young player in return. Markov was amazing in his near 70 point season when no forward could consistently pot one.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  20. Ali says:

    It’s funny. I’m sure half the Habs fans who are so offended by what Carkner did (he challenged Boyle to fight before that and Boyle declined as per his hearing with Shanahan) I ask this: IF laraque had done that to Lucic or Chara (asked to fight, if they say no go anyway) would anyone here not be cheering? You have to stand up for your teammates. I totally get what Carkner did and would love him as a teammate.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      *WWFD?

      *What would Fergy do?

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    • LafleurGuy says:

      In the most accurate use of the word instigation, the idea of someone physically confronting Brian Boyle only began with his gutless attempt to intimidate Karlsson. Someone chime in if Karlsson had earlier committed a dirty deed done dirt cheap, because I don’t think he did. Taken in context, I had no revulsion at Carkner’s action because it was instigated by the earlier events. Was Boyle penalised for illegally contacting Karlsson’s face? Is there such a penalty call, ’cause if not there should be.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  21. HardHabits says:

    Sidney Crosby. 2 minutes for unmanly like conduct.

    • Ali says:

      He’s been like that always. People thought he changed, but now that people will think twice about hitting him in the face (head) he’ll be an even bigger punk. I should be careful though, or his dad will start sending me angry emails saying I shouldn’t criticize his kid.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        To repeat, Crosby is just an modern day version of captains Mark Messier, Bobby Clarke, Bryan Trottier. People should analyze the teachings of Brian Burke. For his team he wants truculence but no rats. He’s got 4 to 4.5 million guys like Komisarek, Connolly, Lombardi, and Schenn on his payroll, but then whines because he couldn’t find a way to keep 1 million dollar guy Colton Orr on the roster. Just like the You Tube fan crying, “Leave Brittany alone!”, I say let Crosby be Crosby. He has no magic, and is as likely to get a biased call as say referee Kerry Fraser givimg one to Wayne Gretzky!

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  22. jon514 says:

    Who is gonna finish in the bottom 5 next year? Can we please go after exmonton’s 1st rounder for next year? If they repeat it gives us a good shot at Nathan macknnon!

  23. Say Ash says:

    Was LA seriously shopping Dustin Brown at the deadline?

  24. HabFanSince72 says:

    Serge Savard once owned a luxury hotel in Cuba. It was called El Senador, for obvious reasons. That is the only link between Cuba (which has no hoceky rinks) and hockey.

    Anyone know why our dweeb of a PM nixed Cuba’s participation in the next Americas’ summit?

    I understand why President Obama did it: he needs votes in Florida. Not courageous (he’s not a brave man) but at least rational.

    What’s in it for dweeberino?

    It would have been a great opportunity to introduce them to Canada’s game.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      I believe you answered your own question.

      Supporting Obama is what’s in it for him.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        More research shows that GB was not the first person to think hockey and tropical weather go together. There was once a Tropical Hockey League, and Havana had a team.

        They were not called the Havana Fair, which would be a cool name.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Duracell3 says:

          “1938-39″
          “The league played a 15-game season before folding”

          I bet their refrigeration was interesting. Also, Havana featured a player named “Soggy Green”.

    • CalgaryHab says:

      You probably won today’s dumbest post. Not sure why you prefer Castro to Harper but that is something only you can answer.

      Keep it to hockey for the benefit of all HIO users.

      • Mattyleg says:

        No, he’s got a point.

        And I’d probably take pretty much anyone over Harpo.
        Even Kim Jong-Il’s son looks pretty attractive in comparison.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • JIMVINNY says:

          LOL. Nope, you win today’s dumbest post.

        • rwp1990 says:

          Actually -while i don’t really follow politics – it would appear to me that Harper is pretty pathetic at most everything. I can’t recall ever seeing so many stories about deceit, dishonesty, secrecy, corruption, financial mismanagement, or waste about any other PM or party before him and while I am not a political person – I do read a lot.

          c’est le but!
          Bob in Ottawa

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I don’t prefer Castro to Harper – you’re jumping to conclusions. I don’t even dislike Harper that much – I just think it’s a bit lame to kiss up to the Americans all the time.

        I do think Cuba should be included in summits for the benefit of the Cuban people, who have been victimized by Castro’s govt. By excluding them their leaders just get more entrenched. And in any case Fidel is retired.

        Nonetheless, if I was forced to choose between Cuba and Calgary, I would choose the former without hesitation.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Sticking to hockey would be nice but it’s also nice to have a diversion at times. As for day’s dumbest post, the whatever-class-they’re-in posters who like to flip the keyboard bird may still be typing (give them some more time to finish typing).

        “May you live in interesting times.”

    • JIMVINNY says:

      Maybe because that country is run by a dictatorship? Maybe because monthly wages, as paid by the castro gov’t, run in the 15-30 dollar range. That’s MONTHLY. Maybe because even despite that, they claim to have the one of the lowest poverty rates in the developing world. Cuba is one of the most corrupt governments in the world, and no number of pretty resorts are going going to change that.

      If you really hate our PC government so much, feel free to move to Cuba. You’ll change your tune.

      • RGM says:

        They took the piss out of the P in Progressive Conservatives a long, long time ago my friend.

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  25. munch17 says:

    Who is MVP in LA- Vancouver series so far?
    1. Quick
    2. Dustin Brown
    3. Duncan Keith

  26. mike3131 says:

    Wow! It must really suck to be a Vancouver fan right now! They just don’t get respect from anyone! They dive, they don’t stand up for their star players (no one opened the door for Henrik Sedin yesterday when he struggled to get to the bench), they complain to the reffs, they have a douchy fan base (apparently)… At least we get respect for our heritage and tradition, but Vancouver has NOTHING to be respected for. I could argue that they need a rebuild even more than we do. They need to find a buyer for Luongo, they will fire Vigneault, and I would even go as far to say that they should consider trading the Sedins and Kesler! Yes they won back-to-back President’s Trophies, but the bottom line is they can’t win in the playoffs. They need a change of scenery and they need to gain some respect from the rest of the league.

  27. alfieturcotte says:

    I have no problems with what Carkner did. Boyle has gooned it up plenty and saw it coming. He CHOSE to coward away given the tougher opponent (Karlsson size disadvantage is more to his liking). Carkner made him own up to his action. TomNicke — You’ve apparently perhaps been watching too much smurf hockey a la Canadiens (at least the first 65-70 games of the season).

    • mike3131 says:

      What Carkner did was cheap, similar to what Bertuzzi did to Steve Moore and what Asham did to Schenn. You wanna make Boyle own up to his actions, square him off, and fight him. Don’t sucker-punch him!

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Carkner wanted to fight, Boyle turtled.

        Nope, what Carkner did was send a message…loud and clear.

        In situations like this, ask yourself, *WWFD?

        *What would Fergy do?

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        • mike3131 says:

          I don’t understand how the Carkner incident was any different from the Bertuzzi-Moore incident that got Bertuzzi suspended for the rest of the season and playoffs.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        So you were ok with Boyle punching Karlson in the head over and over again while the refs and the league do nothing? Karlson is one of their best players and why should he be bullied by a 6 foot 7 meat head?

        If the league and ref’s don’t do the job someone has to protect the best players. Look at Marshit in Boston last year in the cup punching the sedins? What Carkner did is let them no that they are not going to take it they will stick up for him.

        Boyle is the Piece of shit in my opinion

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        • mike3131 says:

          I didn’t say that I was ok with what Boyle did. But I know Ryan White would never sucker punch anyone, he would drop the gloves. Carkner should have squared Boyle off and dropped’em like what Neil did.

  28. Bigdawg says:

    playoffs are good an all but nore habs talk needed!!

    what about Markov and our first for edm’s first and second

    that would be the equivalent of:

    Markov and Murray/Dumba
    for
    Yakupov and a second

    talk amonst yourselves

    • smiler2729 says:

      Edmonton wouldn’t take a wonky kneed expensive defenceman for that.

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      The Halakian Jaroslaves’ constant BS make me anti-Halak

    • nbsjfan says:

      Good grief. Why not throw in Gomez too and Darche and Campoli?

      You cannot be serious in thinking Edmonton would want anything to do with a one legged defenceman who has proven only that he has one good leg?

  29. petefleet says:

    Frankly, I’m surprised that so many people are surprised at the violence in the playoffs this year. The American market is where the money is and so that’s what the league is playing to. The american love violence and in the case of hockey, much more than hockey. There is a huge fan base that would never turn on the TV for hockey but would tune in religiously for violence.
    Get used to it. As long as Bettman is in charge of the game, it’s headed to the sewers. I’ll try to pick the hockey games out of the fights and cheap shots.

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    • smiler2729 says:

      Well, that’s the funny thing about that, apparently America thinks the violence in NHL hockey is a turnoff.

      I know, you’d think that they’d dig this stuff but they don’t… go figure.

      _______________________________________________
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      The Halakian Jaroslaves’ constant BS make me anti-Halak

      • petefleet says:

        It’s not the Canadian audience that’s feeding the NHL. USA has 10 times the population and Bettman wants more of it to watch hockey….doesn’t matter what the reason is. Where do you get your information on what America wants anyway?

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        RGM
        ***Habs Forever***

      • Mattyleg says:

        Who’s America?
        The Christian Right?
        Compton Gangstas?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Can’t blame the Yanks entirely.

      Thuggery in hockey is a very Canadian contribution to the game.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • petefleet says:

        Wouldn’t dream of it but it’s not the Canadian market that’s driving the NHL, it’s the American market. Like it or not.
        Speaking for myself, if I never see another hockey fight or cheap shot, it will be too soon. I like the idea of a skill game on a bigger sheet of ice…no violence…pie-in-the-sky.

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        RGM
        ***Habs Forever***

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think what you may be trying to say is that it’s an element of a very Canadian game.

        And the NHL is glorifying that particular element so that instead of being a side-effect of the game on the ice, it is becoming the focus.

        This is done predominantly for attracting audiences in the US, which is how it is marketed there.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • petefleet says:

          +1

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    • jmsheehy19 says:

      The only people I’ve met that watch hockey for the violence are a few troglodytes from Boston. That fighting/violence is what draws people to hockey is a misconception that refuses to die. Their are those who like the fighting, but none that watch because of it.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I guess you haven’t ‘met’ some of the posters on here…

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          Haha, touché Matty. But Internet talk is always exaggerated.

          I lived in the states for twenty years and literally never met one person who payed for a hockey ticket/jersey/etc that actually considers fighting the main draw.

          There are idiots who say that’s what they like about it, but they never actually watch a game, never mind support the sport financially.

      • petefleet says:

        None? Seriously?

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        RGM
        ***Habs Forever***

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          Seriously, one guy one time on a sorority date night I went to said he only wanted to see a fight, but he didn’t pay for his ticket, so I’m not counting him.

          Like I said, there are those who like it, but none that follow BECAUSE of it. They would just watch UFC if they want a fight.

  30. Ali says:

    TWO hearings for James Neal tomorrow. Time for Shanny to do what he should’ve started doing with Weber. Send a message. And Asham’s done for the playoffs at least.

  31. ed lopaz says:

    when a business comes to the conclusion that its product is being eroded in its current business environment, the business adapts.

    when the NHL came to the conclusion that most Hockey fans would welcome rough, dirty, head hunting type hockey, the NHL adapted and allowed this hockey to expand, succeed, and flourish.

    the NHL does NOT want to change the games we saw over the weekend.

    NHL hockey is like Nascar racing on skates!!

    If the NHL can get a Nascar type following, so much the better.

    I will say this once and for all.

    The game is better served, better played, safer, faster, and more enjoyable to watch, on THE INTERNATIONAL ICE SURFACE!!

    It will cost money – millions – but it will be so worth it in the LONG TERM!!

    What will hockey look like in 2042 if we are still on the North American ice??

    It will be unplayable.

    Not enough room out there.

    The equipment is too good, the players are too fast, the ice is too small.

  32. issie74 says:

    I dislike Laviolette,he looks like he is going to start crying,all the time.

    NorthTOHab

  33. SmartDog says:

    Say good-bye to the two most over-rated goalies in the league (and their teams):
    – Fleury
    – Luongo

    Damn, I shoulda put money down.
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    • Ali says:

      Fleury is SO overrated. Only one season in the NHL with a save percentage over 0.920! and 3 out of 5 previous playoffs with a save percentage below 0.900.

      (Yes he’s won a cup. But I think he played better the year they lost in the finals.)

      • LafleurGuy says:

        I think you would find Patrick Roy’s past save percentages interesting, both regular season and playoff. But I agree that Fleury’s goaltending is probably in the same league as another past champion, Ansemi Niemi, and slightly inferior to non-champion Roberto Luongo.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Ali says:

          I think you have to put Roy’s numbers in context of era. When you look at his clutch and grab era numbers, they’re outstanding. When you look at late 80’s early 90’s in comparison to other goalies, they’re about par for a good goalie. And Patrick was all about raising his game it mattered most. Fleury has showed glimpses (save on Lidstrom in game 7 to win the Cup) but no enough to have the “clutch” goalie reputation he seems to have.

          • Mark C says:

            100% right, you have to put his numbers in context. Believe he once lead the league in SV% at .90, which would be considered bad by today’s standards.

          • issie74 says:

            I think you have to look at the team in front of him.It is all about team.

            NorthTOHab

  34. Marc10 says:

    I’ve been impressed with the Flyers on offence, but I’m not seeing them in the final unless they find a way to sucker another team into ‘their game’.

    Let’s face it, their D (as posters have pointed out) gives up a lot of goals and they just don’t have a reliable goalie. He’s all over the place.

    I’d still have to favour the Rangers and the Bruins. They have the best goaltending in the conference.

    For that same reason, I like St Louis, Nashville, Phoenix and LA in the West. Those teams have the best goalies. Out of those I suspect the Yotes won’t make it because Chicago is very balanced.

    As much as the Flyers play a crazy exciting style, goaltending should carry the day. So I doubt they’ll make the final. Then again… they seem to have more firepower this time around. Maybe that will offset losing Prongs.

    Looking at coaches in the postseason, I think Bylsma, Torts and Laviolette are the best in East… Hitch, Babcock and Trotz in the West. I wish one of those guys could coach our Habs, but sadly… it ain’t gonna happen…

    So is Jaro playing tomorrow? With all this Flyer stuff, can’t we just get back to the simple pleasure of debating which goalie we should have traded? And if Jaro’s out, does that count for or against him?

    Just some random thoughts…

    Enjoy the figh… ugh I mean games!

    • Ali says:

      I think Bylsma has looked at sea against the Flyers. And he was unable to get his team to reign in their emotions and let things get way out of hand in a game that can only be described as a must-win. Pulled Fleury too late as well. Johnson couldn’t have been any worse.

  35. LafleurGuy says:

    The Pennsylvania Puckers Ball did morph into the Pennsylvania Puckers Brawl! Interesting how these punchy puckers easily erased memories of Shea the Undertaker Weber. There was previous conjecture on whether Crosby’s pucking around with goonish behaviour makes him unsuitable as a proper captain, but precedents were set in the past truculent pucker captains in the persons of Mark Messier, Bobby Clarke, and Bryan Trottier. I posted before yesterday’s violence how Shanny’s heady decisions were completely impotent deterrents. Didn’t he once say, “Don’t blame me if you can’t remember what day it is?” May the Puck be with you, and the Stick whack you in the ass, and not the head!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  36. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    Would anyone here consider trading Markov, as part of a deal to move up to get Yakopov (or another top 10 1st rounder). Or is Markov damaged goods?

  37. Mattyleg says:

    What I find particularly enlightening is that most of the Tank Team are also members of the “Crush Hockey player!! Kill Hockey Player! Gaaaahh!” brigade.

    Things that make you go hmmm….

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  38. Ton says:

    Anyone concerned about the state of hockey? In the old days win at all cost certainly was defined differently than what it means today. Hockey has become a cross between the old game and lacrosse. Take the best of 5 players of the last 5 decades> Crosby>Lemieux>Gretzy>Lafleur> and Orr> could they have played today and enjoyed the game as well. Certainly I hope Savard is watching because the blue prints for putting together a successful team should be scripted on this years playoffs. Still I am concerned about the heat shots, the faking, stick work, coaches behaviours (Berube of all people!!!) and all of the BS that comes with today’s game. How does the NHL change this new culture?

    • TomNickle says:

      Paul MacLean sends a player to assault another.
      Dan Bylsma does nothing to deter his fourty goal scorer from targeting other players’ heads.
      Todd McLellan fresh off of a concussion of his own has his team go Broad Street on the Blues.

      And you’re concerned about an assistant coach who got made about two his star players being checked illegally with intent to injure?

    • habs-hampton says:

      Here’s a thought.

      Maybe the way suspensions are doled out should be changed. When some idiot (who’s name I can’t even remember) from the Rangers gives a head shot to Alfredson and gets a 3-game suspension, maybe if Ottawa gets to pick who serves the 3 games, then something will change. Right now these 4th liners are interchangeable, so big deal if they get suspended.

      The crap going on right now makes the 70’s look like church league hockey.

  39. TomNickle says:

    From Dead Puck Era to Dead Head Era.

  40. VancouverHab says:

    Alain Vignault has failed to win when it counts in Vancouver–and has ridden the regular-season scoring ability of the terminally-soft Sedins for meaningless non-playoff wins–and there are people who want him to coach the Habs?

    I’ll take a gritty, winner-take-all coach for us, please. (No, I don’t mean Patrick Roy: I said ‘gritty’ not ‘Mario-Trembley batty’.)

  41. Propwash says:

    You could kinda see this whole Pennsylvania rivalry gong show coming it was super hyped in a big way.

  42. Habitall says:

    Someone below suggested that Alain Vigneault would be looking for work if the Canucks are eliminated, esp. if they’re swept. Maybe a bit unfair, considering his best player has been sidelined, and probably not likely …

    But if it did happen, I for one wouldn’t mind him being considered to coach the Habs. He did a good job as a rookie coach, after the Mario Tremblay debacle, and he’s learned a lot since then. Even though he doesn’t have a Cup to show for it, I don’t think you can blame last year’s series loss on him.

    Habs could do a lot worse than Vigneault.

    • TomNickle says:

      That organization whines from top to bottom on a regular basis about everything.

      Let’s not bring that culture to the Habs.

    • slamtherimtim says:

      dont want a coach who been here and lost , gone somewheres else and lost again , between him and luongo neither will be on the team next year , the habs need fresh blood , no sloppy seconds

      • Cal says:

        That you, Avery?

      • Habitall says:

        Let’s be realistic.

        1) The incoming coach has to be bilingual. Some may not like it, but at this point it’s a fact of life.

        2) He also should be experienced (though there is a part of me that wouldn’t mind seeing what Roy can do, it may too risky).

        3) He has to be available.

        If the Canucks are bounced in 4 and Vigneault is released, he meets all 3 criteria.

        Does he have to have won the Stanley Cup? Seems to me Jacques Demers had never won anything when he came here in ’93.

        • Chuck says:

          We’re putting the cart before the horse. A GM needs to be hired before there can be any talk of coaches.

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        • slamtherimtim says:

          would you wait until some guy got fired from one company to hire him on to yours , i wouldnt , he got fired for a reason ,thinking he will help you will only hurt in the long run

    • New says:

      Wouldn’t the more attractive option be a coach who gets his team to overcome little hurdles like the loss of one player? But yes the team could do a lot worse than Vigneault, just wait and see.

  43. CalgaryHab says:

    If the Canucks are out in 4 there is a good chance Vigneault is canned. He immediately becomes a candidate for the Habs. Although he his record wasn’t great in Montreal (not all his doing) he has developed into a very good coach and I can think of a lot worse coaches we may end up with.

  44. RetroMikey says:

    Just love those big, tough, no name, grit, unskilled, hardworking Flyers (without Carter and Richards, lol) punishing those overrated Penguins.
    Whoever the next GM is, take note.

    Big is better, and you can win without skill and speed.

    We can’t be soft anymore, it starts with getting bigger!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • TomNickle says:

      Giroux, Couturier, Simmonds, Schenn, Briere, Read, Jagr, Van Riemsdyk.

      Nope, no talent there.

      • olematelot says:

        and Voracek

        • LafleurGuy says:

          Who’s only 22. Schenn and Couturier, 20, 19. I think 22 yr. old van Riemsdyk may be injured, or maybe not. 25 yr. old Matthew Read, 24 yr. old Giroux, and 23 yr. old Simmonds are greybeards by comparison. If we could get a collection of 20 to 28 yr olds with these guy’s salaries and skill, we will be alright.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Les Canayens says:

        And they’re not that big either.

      • boing007 says:

        Unskilled and really slow. Hmmm?

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • RetroMikey says:

        Yeah baby! Big is better, and then the skills come into place! Bet ya didn’t hear about Read, Schenn, Simmonds before the season began, eh? Or the Flyers team roster, eh?

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

        • TomNickle says:

          Simmonds has been developing steadily his entire career and was underutilized in Los Angeles.

          Coming into the season Brayden Schenn was considered the most pro-ready player in the World.

          Matt Read was the predicted Calder winner at season’s beginning by Bob McKenzie so he wasn’t exactly flying under the radar. Especially since he was the most sought after college free agent last year.

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          Read, no.

          But the rest of the forward group, absolutely.

      • Timo says:

        Flyers clearly need to hire Bob Gainey to right that sinking ship.

        • Ton says:

          well I do remember the last time Gainey took over an organization headed by a flyer legend> he took the team to its first stanley cup victory. Gainey was good for the times……..ask Gillette if he got his return on investment………!!! Timo Timo Timo

    • CalgaryHab says:

      After the first 3 games of the playoffs I’m not sure anyone can beat the Flyers. Although that fanchise disgusts me they look dominate on every level.

      • TomNickle says:

        Bryzgalov has given up 13 goals in three games and you don’t think they’re beatable?

        You really think that the rest of the East or the representative from the West will be as dumb as the Penguins have been?

        • CalgaryHab says:

          He’s playing like Grant Fuhr. Yes there have been some weak goals – but there have also been some amazing saves.

          • LafleurGuy says:

            Goalies in the West are way better. In the East, Lundqvist and Thomas are giants. Brodeur is around but his age may start showing deeper in the playoffs.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

        • RetroMikey says:

          Wonder if Flyers, had Price in the nets, how many he would have let in?
          Flyers. Rangers and Bruins are the creme de la Creme in the East, now and for seasons to come.
          We will suffer for our past mistakes.

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • habs-hampton says:

        Pens just self-destructed, and they are so bad defensively that they make the Flyers look good defensively.

        It’s gonna be Rangers-Blues in the final.

    • Chuck says:

      “Just love those big, tough, no name, grit, unskilled, hardworking Flyers (without Carter and Richards, lol) punishing those overrated Penguins.
      Whoever the next GM is, take note.

      Big is better, and you can win without skill and speed.”

      Unskilled? As TomNickle pointed out, the Flyers aren’t a team of hacks. And as for suggesting that you can win without speed, that’s one of the main ways that the Flyers have been dominating the Pens… with their speed. Have you even watched the games?

      ___________________________________________________
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      • RetroMikey says:

        Praise their coach Laviolette, the GM, and their farm team for making the Flyers for what they are.
        If it was a Bruins Flyers East final (which it will be), I can assure you those Flyers will be playing goon hockey as well.
        Comes a time when you play a different system against a soft skill overrated team in Pittsburgh and tough no nonsense hockey against the Bruins.
        It’s going to be a great Eastern final, Bruins vs Flyers!
        Bet you Vhuck you wish we had players like Philadelphia or Boston on our team.
        They are the complete package, big , tough, and with sill on their teams!
        I’ve said this all along and now most Habs’ fans now see the day of light what it takes to bring a Championship team to Montreal.
        Firewagon hockey is a thing of the past for this club of ours.
        Big is better I say!

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • tophab says:

      big like giroux and briere your an idiot.

  45. Habitall says:

    Have only seen game highlights of the Pens-Flyers series, but man, that is fun hockey to watch. Obviously guys like Giroux have sick talent, but what about James Neal and Wayne Simmonds? True power forwards.

  46. jon514 says:

    Here are 3 REALISTIC moves the next GM of the habs can do to improve the team in 2 years. Trying to stay away from buying everyone out.

    1) Trade with Anaheim for Emerson Etem. This kid has gold in his stick and skates. Drafted 28th overall, he’s proved himself to be a dark horse top 10 pick. He’d look great playing in Hamilton next year. This is realistic because Anaheim is STACKED at RW (with Ryan, Perry and Palmieri) but a little weak on defensive prospects. Maybe they’d accept a one for one trade for one of our D prospects, or take an actual NHL player in exchange.

    2) Hire Gerard Gallant as the next coach of the Bulldogs. Currently coaching the St-John Sea Dogs who look like the real deal to repeat for the Memorial cup. He lead them their last year as well. In him you also get a guy with existing NHL head coaching experience, so he could be tagged to work his way up.

    3) Hope for the best, but plan for the worst. Use one of our 2nd round picks to acquire Mathieu Corbeil from the Columbus blue jackets. Very strong 6′ 6″ goalie from Montreal. Playing for the Sea Dogs this year, he could be a starting or a backup goalie in Hamilton next year. I love Price, but having no goaltending prospects is kinda irresponsible for any organization.

    What do you guys think?

    • Habitall says:

      Great ideas all, but I kinda like our D prospects. I see Beaulieu & Tinordi as next to untouchable … I just like their upside. I also think Morgan Ellis will be one of those strong, stay-at-home defensemen you just need to have around — provided he develops properly.

      After that, we still have likeable prospects in Dietz and Pateryn.

      I think this year’s draft should be all about forwards. And please, let’s try and get Daniel Pribyl over to Hamilton. Even if he’s not the answer to all our offensive woes, he could be a help.

      • jon514 says:

        I agree. Our defensive prospects are set and if Beaulieu, Tinordi and Ellis… who I saw as more of an offensive d-man though I’ve never seen him play, evolve the way we hope, we will have one of the deepest blue lines in the league in 3 years. I’d love to see us fleece Anaheim by trading Bourque for Etem, but baring that, I guess you’ve got to give something to get something.

    • Mike D says:

      Don’t know about the guys you mention to offer a truly educated opinion. What I will say is this:

      We absolutely need depth in goal and it is irresponsible if we don;t start getting some. Not for someone to replace Price as he is still very young and should be good for a long time, but because you have to be prepared for anything and since we are good at developing goalies, we might be able to produce some trade bait out of a goalie prospect to address other organizational needs.

      In regards to Gerald Gallant, again, I don’t know much about him to speak on behalf of his coaching skills, but I do know that he has a very good team and had an even better one last year. My rule of thumb is, beware the coach who has a great team in front of him.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • jon514 says:

        Thanks for the comments. I like what you said about the coach, but I guess you can also say that this coach has a knack for getting the best out of his talented players…

        • Mike D says:

          Absolutely. It’s a two-way street for sure and it’s very difficult to determine how much credit gets attributed to the players on one side, and the coach on the other.

          Phil Jackson in the NBA might be the best example. His win-loss record and all the championships are astounding…but so was the talent on the teams he coached (Bulls in their prime and Lakers in theirs). He also seems to “get out” at the right time in both cases. Maybe he is that good, or maybe the teams he had were so good that it didn’t matter.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

  47. Hobie Hansen says:

    Got to love the front page of the Ottawa Sun today.

    “One for the Team” is the headline with a picture of Matt Carkner sporting a big grin and looking like a hero.

    • TomNickle says:

      I know you’re a Sens fan so please try to be as objective as you can with your reply.

      In my opinion, what Matt Carkner did was worthy of a minimum of five games and Paul MacLean should have been heavily fined or suspended himself.

      I haven’t in years seen a more obvious and instructed maiming of a player. Carkner has been a regular scratch and in his first shift repeatedly suckered a player. And if that wasn’t enough punched him repeatedly while he was down and out.

      Quite simply one of the most gutless things I’ve seen in professional hockey since Bertuzzi’s assault on Steve Moore. And one game for it is sickening.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I am joking around a bit but I really didn’t have a problem with what Carkner did.
        Boyle basically did the same thing to Karlsson the game before. Boyle is 6’5 and if he grabs the star player on somone’s team and starts jabbing him in the face he’d better be expecting some retaliation?
        Boyle is a douche and in my opinion a coward for not standing up for himself and letting Carkner work him over.
        I thought a lot of stuff on the weekend was goofy but I felt the Sens were justified in dressing Konopka and Carkner after the Rangers tried to rough them up in the first game.
        The part about me being a Sens fan, sure I’m pulling for them a bit since Montreal is out and I do like some of their players and their coach Paul McLean.

        • TomNickle says:

          You feel that three face wash love taps are deserving of two sucker punches standing and then a repeated beating while a player is laying on the ice?

          Right, it’s gutless of Boyle to not fight with a player clinching him so that he can get two suckers in. Carkner by the way didn’t make his dropping the right glove visible in any way to Boyle.

          Equating what Boyle did with what Carkner did is stupid.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Boyle is a tough guy and he knew exactly who was on the ice. He turtled and all of a sudden plays Mr. innocent, end of story my friend.

          • TomNickle says:

            By your logic the Rangers’ next, justified and reasonable reaction should be to dress John Scott, have him slash Matt Carkner in the face, punch him in the head four times when he doesn’t know it’s coming, then jump on him and punch him repeatedly while he’s out cold and continue to do so until players, refs and maybe even police can pull him off because ya know, Carkner should know it’s coming.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Carkner isn’t dumb enough to let that happen. He’d be ready.

          • Mattyleg says:

            *disbelief*

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            The repeated beating while the other player is on the ice looks worse than it really is. My brother did it to me many times, and I to him, and it never hurt.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Hobie just likes fighting and thuggery.
        Not much into actual hockey, it seems.
        I imagine that if he could have his way, some players would skate around with clubs, trying to bash the good players into paste so he could pretend he was watching gladiators.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Cry me a river, you’re just upset that the little fantasy world you’ve been living in the past two seasons isn’t actually true and hockey is a tough sport.

          The Canadiens went out and signed a tough guy, there’s fighting in the playoffs… You were so hoping the NHL turned into the Swedish Elite league and it just didn’t happen. poor baby ;-(.

          • TomNickle says:

            There is nothing tough about what Matt Carkner did.

            Nothing.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Not everybody agrees I guess Tom.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Haha!
            Nice.

            I like hard hockey, I don’t like goons taking over the sport.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • TomNickle says:

            Hobie. You thinking that what Carkner did was fighting is very concerning at the very least. That was not a fight.

            The Code by the way, has two rules.

            Don’t fight a guy who won’t go unless he’s done something so gutless that he needs to answer for it. Facewashing Erik Karlsson doesn’t qualify by the way.

            The second is never punch a player when he’s down.

            What Carkner did was arguably worse than what Bertuzzi did.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Give me a break Tom. Like I said, Boyle is a joke for turtling and evey player in the league would see zero wrong with Carkner did, believe me, they’re laughing at Boyle. The code is not to punch someone when they hit the ice after a fight. There was no fight and Boyle made a fool of himself.

            Boyle punched Karlsson in the face, Carkner tries to fight him and all of a sudden Boyle turtles and tries to hide and takes a few shots in the back of the helmet on the ice. Boyle is the one breaking the “so called” code.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            ….

        • boing007 says:

          That’s exactly how I imagine the cave dwellers played hockey back in the day.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        I disagree.

        Carkner sent a loud and clear message to Boyle. Keep your fists out of Karlson’s face or this is what will happen.

        ———————————————————————-
        “I got a feeling, a feeling deep inside” – Lennon/McCartney

        I’ve got a feeling

  48. HardHabits says:

    The Habs are the toughest soft team in NHL history.

  49. Mike D says:

    Had this thought last night after the L.A. – VAN game:

    How awesome would a Kings – Flyers final be? Especially given the storyline and sub-plot of Richards, Carter, Simmonds, and Schenn.

    I realize it’s not highly likely that both these teams will go that far, but I think it would make for a good series with impact players on both sides having something to prove.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Chuck says:

      If the Kings can roll the Canucks in 4 straight, I wouldn’t mind seeing them in the final, or perhaps even win it all. Anyone but the Bruins.

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

      • Mike D says:

        Yeah, but it’s hard for me to cheer for any team that has Mike Richards on the roster (with the exception of Team Canada) because he’s just such a douche. Otherwise, I have no problem with the Kings.

        That said, while I hate(d) the Flyers, they are much more likeable with Richards gone and Pronger out. Not nearly as much of a goon-team as they have been historically.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

  50. TomNickle says:

    I’ve heard, seen and read about how great of a guy Dan Bylsma is. Former teammates of his running to his aid to explain that he would never send somebody to hurt somebody else.

    He’s either trying to turn the Flyers series into a circus or he’s simply lost all control of his team and didn’t have it from game one.

    James Neal tried to injure two players with hits in a game where he was playing very well and had scored twice to that point. Aaron Asham who hadn’t been seeing a lot of ice time retaliated to a clean hit with a crosscheck to the face and a punch to the back of the head. Brooks Orpik unbelievably without being penalized punches Max Talbot in the face before a defensive zone faceoff.

    These things are over the line sure, but wouldn’t come to the forefront of attention if the Penguins were winning. Kris Letang and Sidney Crosby fighting is borderline negligent of Dan Bylsma.

    Both have had multiple concussions in the last year and if Crosby and Malkin are the two best players on that team Letang is certainly the third best and arguably more important to the Pens success than anyone else.

    Crosby and Letang can’t be fighting if your Bylsma, anybody else can, but not them.

    Just to sum up. Crosby and Letang fighting, James Neal targeting the heads of Giroux and Couturier in a game that he’d scored twice in and Asham, Kunitz and Orpik going out of there way to hurt players too.

    I’m still on the fence about Bylsma here, but something tells me Mario might not be having him much longer.

    • Cal says:

      Asham responded to a charging play, and rightly so.
      The rest of your Bylsma rant, for lack of a better word, I agree with.
      Looks like Vigneault will have some company on the unemployment line after the 1st round is complete.

      • TomNickle says:

        Brayden Schenn has proven to be a willing combatant, which makes Asham’s actions all the more disgusting. Schenn didn’t refuse a fight in response to a borderline charge(I believe he had one foot still on the ice).

        • Cal says:

          Charging has a lot more to do with the amount of strides the player takes to deliver the hit. More than 2 = a charge. Leaving his feet is part of it, but not all of it. Imagine if Chara wound up behind his net and skated full tilt into someone at center ice?

          • TomNickle says:

            I realize this and Schenn began his strides at the blueline. Skating from the blueline to the hashmarks doesn’t constitute a charge.

            And I’d like to add that Schenn wasn’t assessed a penalty until well after the dust settled on that play. Officials called a penalty to keep the Penguins sane.

    • Mike D says:

      The whole team has certainly lost it’s composure and it starts with Sidney. As for whether Bylsma contributed to his team’s antics, disapproved of them, lost control of the team, etc. I have no idea.

      He seems like a structured guy and if he is advising his players to focus on actual hockey instead of the side-show stuff, then I’m not sure if I blame him for not being able to get his team to do that, or the team for outright defying their coach’s instructions.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • TomNickle says:

        That’s kinda the point. It’s either instruction or incompetence.

        • Mike D says:

          Let’s assume it’s not instruction just for a moment and discuss the ‘incompetence’ possibility.

          Assume Bylsma is telling the Pens to focus on hockey and leave the BS alone. Is it automatically the coach’s fault if the players don’t listen to him? I realize that it COULD be his fault, but wouldn’t jump to that conclusion without further consideration. I realize there’s a respect thing and you could argue that if he really had his players respect, they would listen. But is it not also possible that the Flyers have just driven them so crazy (combined with the fact the Pens keep dominating the early part of the games, only to lose them in the end – which must be insanely frustrating) that the Pens are just saying “F___ That! Let’s go kick their asses”. Not a lack-of-respect for Bylsma, but more like their tempers are superseding the coach’s instructions because they are that pissed.

          I’m not saying this is the case BTW, just pointing out that it’s a possibility IMO.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • TomNickle says:

            His job is to manage the personnel, the inmates are running the asylum. Part of succeeding at that level is obviously focusing on the task at hand. If their primary goal is blood, and it looks like it is, that’s on the coach.

          • Mike D says:

            Tom:

            Do you think that the Pens players deserve some of the blame here too? I certainly do.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • TomNickle says:

            Of course they do.

            If Ray Shero is as bright as I think he is there will be some changes.

      • JF says:

        Bylsma has been out-coached in this series by Peter Laviolette. He should have called a time-out as soon as the rough stuff began yesterday. And I think he has to take some of the blame for his team’s loss of composure, or at least for not trying to settle them down.

        • TomNickle says:

          And letting Fleury occupy the net for a second after the first goal yesterday.

          Funny Bylsma was heralded as a far better coach than Boudreau for some time. Yet my lasting memory of Boudreau in Washington was the intelligent move to get Theo the hell out of the net after the bad goal he let in early during game 2 against the Habs two years ago.

          Byslma had an opportunity to get his team back into the series yesterday after the first goal against and failed.

        • Mike D says:

          Bylsma has been out-coached and does deserve at least some of the blame. It’s entirely possible that he deserves all of it too. I was just trying to point out the possibility that it’s not always so black and white and that emotions can take over players judgement to the point that they disregard what their coach is saying. Bylsma’s job is also to calm his players down and he hasn’t been able to do that yet from what I can tell. Whether that’s his inability, or the Flyers ability to drive the Pens that crazy, who knows. I think the Pens players also deserve some blame here. Most of those guys (and all of the key ones except Neal) have won the cup and should know better since they have that experience to draw from.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • JF says:

            I think Crosby has to take some of the responsibility. He’s the captain, and should have talked to his teammates and led by example instead of participating in the thuggery that was going on. Reminds me of his going after Josh Gorges at the start of our Game 7 two years ago (see my post below).

          • Mike D says:

            I always read your posts, Jane. Totally agree on Crosby. He’s been a terrible leader so far in this series and considering his concussion issues, I can’t understand why he’s so involved in the scrums and even starting fights. IMO, he’s pretty lucky that the Flyers players haven’t punched him in the head yet.

            It sounds strange to say, but the Pens getting swept might be the best thing for Crosby’s career if he doesn’t get hurt in Game 4.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

    • D Mex says:

      Crosby is a prima donna.
      There no question about his skill level, and he postures extremely well for the cameras, but he is a prima donna just the same. Says and does what he wants – when he wants, and I doubt very much it only became this when he turned pro.
      He has been the target of recent and not-so-recent rants by hockey people of questionable repute but, like my pappy said, the other guy can’t be wrong all the time.
      If Crosby wants to remain the poster boy for all that is good and pure in the NHL, he should clean up his act – soon. He is one scrum away from being the next gone-too-early sports legend.

      Who is Dan Bylsma ?

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

    • rwp1990 says:

      what i see and the facts support – the Pens play better with Malkin leading and Crosby in the stands – Crosby is an incredible talent (when he can focus) but is a bad captain…lack of discipline, selfish play and cheap shots galore…in a key game yesterday it was all about him…not the team – the ultimate failure to lead by example. Crosby has become the problem and with his obvious “me first” atitude and behaviour is not contributing to the team success anything near like he should be
      Mario has to pick which one to keep because after Malkin exploded again to get them in (with the home ice) the team seems to has switched allegiance…maybe they appreciate the ring that Malkin (almost single-handedly) brought them a few years back due to his postseason heroics?Finally, with all due respect, leave the coach out of it – there is simply no possible way that any coach can overcome the impact/influence that a huge superstar has in the room or on the ice. This is a GM level scenario.
      There – the golden boy has been trashed – LET THE OUTRAGE BEGIN!
      c’est le but!
      Bob in Ottawa

      • D Mex says:

        On target – agree.

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

      • JF says:

        You could well be right. Remember Game 7 of our series against the Pens two years ago? It started with Crosby going after Josh Gorges for something that had happened after the whistle at the end of the previous game. Crosby was penalized, we scored, and the Pens spent the rest of the first period chasing us. As far as yesterday’s game goes, Crosby certainly did not act like a captain. Instead of talking to his teammates, telling them to control their emotions, and leading by example, he was out there cheap-shotting and whining with the best of them. I’ve often thought the Penguins simply did not have room for two stars like Crosby and Malkin. Malkin is at his best when Crosby is out of the lineup. With Crosby in, Malkin’s role changes, and he is not nearly as effective.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Remember the craziness against the Islanders last year? Admittedly that was probably mostly the Isles’ doing.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  51. BrianSkrudland says:

    Observations offered concerning the Pens-Flyers game as viewed through the innocent eyes of my 7-year old, hockey-loving, son:

    1) Are they not going to play hockey in this game? (after turning on the game in the middle of the scrapping and hair-pulling nonsense that took almost 10 minutes to sort out); and,
    2) Why aren’t all the players taking a knee like our team does when somebody gets hurt? (when a player was on the ice injured – possibly not from this game, actually); and,
    3) This is silly, let’s go play soccer (and we did).

    I understand that his comments can be viewed as being naive, but I just found it interesting that his opinion of the ‘playoff hockey’ we had been watching left him confused and disinterested. His bedroom walls are covered with hockey memorabilia and he loves the game at its best – hold the cheapshots and goonery.

  52. HabFanSince72 says:

    Any concussion predictions for tonight? Best bang for the buck is to go after an important player who has already suffered a concussion.

    Sens would be fools not to try to put Brad Richards out of the series. Eric Karlsson has never had a concussion but what better time than his first playoff series as a genuine all-star?

    Boston ought to target Backstrom, while Patrice Bergeron would be an easy target for the Caps.

    Any others?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The “Greek Gladiator” Zenon Konopka will introduce Richards’ face to the ice again and the “Real Deal” Chris Neil will be cruising around looking to decapitate any Ranger stupid enough to be skating with their head down.

      Can’t wait!

      So nice to have hockey back!

      • Mattyleg says:

        Hmm. You call headshots and checking from behind ‘hockey’?

        This is why the NHL is in such trouble.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Didn’t they have huge ratings over the weekend?

          • Mattyleg says:

            Because that’s the ultimate barometer of success?
            TV ratings??
            What is going to happen when all the decent players are out with concussions and neck injuries and we have to watch the Konopkas and the Ashams trying to play hockey?

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • D Mex says:

            TV ratings – and goonery – are the ultimate barometer in the USA.

            ALWAYS Habs –
            D Mex

      • Mark C says:

        Serious questions, can Zenon Konopka catch Brad Richards and is Ottawa dumb enough to play a horrid hockey player at the same time Richards’ is on the ice?

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          He caught him last game, threw him in a headlock and rubbed his face into the ice. For some reason Richards was completely invisible that night?

          • Mark C says:

            Yay! Nothing better than watching talentless players rendering the talented invisible with illegal, violent acts. Is really the type of hockey you want to watch, especially at playoff time?

    • Chuck says:

      Shanasham was on New York radio this morning suggesting that the Ranger suspension could be shortened if Alfredsson returns to action. What a load of crap.

      All season he’s been saying, “the severity of the injury has no bearing on the length of suspension.” Now he’s suggesting otherwise. A bit of pressure from the Rangers going public with their letter stating their disapproval of the suspension, perhaps?

      This could do two things: shorted deserved suspensions, because teams will want their star players back as soon as possible, which means it’s virtually open-season on star players. Additionally, teams who have a player knocked out of the lineup by a better player on the other team (Think Ovechkin hitting a marginal Bruin) will be tempted to hold that player out of the lineup longer than necessary, thereby keeping that star player from returning.

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

  53. Chris says:

    On top of watching teams around the league we generally don’t get to watch, I would definitely encourage people to take advantage of a spring with no Montreal Canadiens playoff hockey and go watch some local junior hockey games, whether it be CHL, NCAA or Junior A.

    Over the past 12-13 years here in Guelph, I’ve had the fortune of getting to see a ton of Storm players who have gone on to nice NHL careers: Manny Malhotra, Dustin Brown, Ryan Callahan, Kevin Klein, Drew Doughty, Daniel Girardi, Daniel Paille and Matt D’Agostini (plus Todd Bertuzzi, although he predated me) are all Storm alumni currently playing this spring. In most cases, you could tell early on that these guys were special because they had non-stop motors. That being said, the biggest suprises to me are D’Agostini (very skilled in the OHL, but a total floater) and especially Paille (a scorer in the OHL, he showed absolutely no defensive competence nor was he especially competitive, so it is surprising to see him be an effective fourth liner)…I would have bet on both guys never making it in the NHL despite their obvious skill. Shows you what I know! :)

    Given how much time we spend discussing who the team should draft every summer, take an opportunity to go out and see some of these kids play wherever you live. The hockey is generally entertaining, albeit sloppy, and you can get some great rivalries.

  54. Les Canayens says:

    I guess the recent league-wide ranting about the Penguins’ entitlement really got into their heads. The stigma of having the league’s supposedly most marketable player is also wearing them down.

    They’re lucky that the ultimate playoff goon, Pronger, is not in Flyers’ lineup.

  55. jon514 says:

    The two teams many picked to face each other down for the cup are facing elimination. Wow Talk about a second season…

    • Mattyleg says:

      I wouldn’t have picked either of them.
      Van were toast as soon as Evil Twin #2 went down, and their goalie is a chonic choker.
      I just didn’t rate the Pens against Philly.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  56. Mattyleg says:

    Morning everyone!
    Have to say, great to see the Orca floundering…
    Stupid nonsense fighting and head-hunting.
    Mind you, reminds me of Mtl-Que…

    I thought it was very brave of Burrows to go after Kopitar like that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  57. twilighthours says:

    I hope I’m mistaken, but I believe I read that people thought Brown’s hit on Sedin was cheap.

    If this hit is cheap, we might as well taking hitting out of hockey. That was a great hit.

  58. mrhabby says:

    I head that ratings across the States are up for Hockey based on the weekend games. The NHL head office loves this.

    • Mattyleg says:

      That’s all that counts, really, isn’t it?
      Forget about nice goals, good play, hard skating…
      It’s Slapshot, as directed by imbecile Bettman.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Chris says:

        To be fair, American sports are not the ones that allow fighting. That is a uniquely Canadian contribution to North American sports. And polls have consistently shown that American hockey fans are as down on (and often more so) hockey violence than their Canadian counterparts.

        If the ratings are up, you need only look at where the largest television markets are in the United States:

        #1 New York (Rangers)
        #2 Los Angeles (Kings)
        #3 Chicago (Black Hawks)
        #4 Philadelphia (Flyers)
        #5 Dallas (Stars)
        #6 San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose (Sharks)
        #7 Boston (Bruins)
        #8 Atlanta
        #9 Washington (Capitals)
        #10 Houston
        #11 Detroit (Red Wings)
        #12 Phoenix (Coyotes)

        Nine of the top 12 US markets have teams playing this spring, and this is a year where the NBA, who normally steals a lot of the NHL’s thunder, has bled some fans due to a lockout. That so many of the series have been either entertaining or noteworthy has only helped the NHL’s case.

        • Mattyleg says:

          What I’m saying is that Gary Head-Up-My-Butt-man uses fighting to market hockey to American audiences.

          Ask Boone or Hickey what videos they show at Philly games and many other teams in the US. It’s not pretty goals, it’s fighting.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • mrhabby says:

        if the teams could stay on the edge without the headshots/dirty shots i think most people would be okay with what on over the weekend. its the headshots that are beyond me…i love the mistakes, good goal tending, horrible goaltending, gafs, great plays, even the fights.

  59. Exit716 says:

    Seeing that Jack Todd believes Carey Price is an average goalie. What are Todd’s views on Marc Andre Fleury? I guess Jack who probably watches zero games a year thinks Fleury is the second coming of Patrick Roy.

  60. otisfxu says:

    Again we will let this all go on until someone is seriously injured, other than a mere concussion, which Shanny seems to be ok with now, and hockey will have another of its “black eyes” on the sport. Americans will be asking for Congress to get involved, criminal action will be threatened against players, yada yada. Ron and Don will be ranting and roaring.

    This isn’t old time hockey, this is nasty, gladiator to the death ugly.
    If the not so Big Bad Bruins are watching, last year’s cakewalk is not about to happen this year. If the Rangers and Flyers are still standing after the first round, Bruins are going to get a little of their own medicine. And I’m not so sure they can handle this stuff.
    Lucic and punk Marchand are in for a tough couple of weeks.

  61. commandant says:

    A draft preview on Radek Faksa, Centre from the Kitchener Rangers.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/04/16/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-11-radek-faksa/

    Go Habs Go!

  62. Habfan10912 says:

    Shanny sounded nervous in his appearance on WFAN. He gave the standard crap answers we’ve all heard before. Two thing of interst. He again mentioned that injuries did have something to do with the suspension. When questioned about the fact that players now lay on the ice to get a more severe penalty he hemmed and hawed thru his reply. The other thing that got my attention was he said he would have turtledove like Boyle did and could understand why he did it. An obvious lie.
    If Shanny had a lawyer he would have been advised NOT to take the stand.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      One other thing, he did say that if Alfie plays tonight he’d consider a reduction. Sigh.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Hey, and Hi, Bellvale Buddy, with your earlier post alerting the pending Shannyspeech, I was going to ask you for a synopsis and you beat me to the punch (pun)! What Shanahan is not acccountable for, besides tough decisions like Clarence Campbell’s suspension of Maurice the Rocket Richard, is that he clearly has no experience as a jurist, and his awkward public statements are understandable, but also regrettable. Interesting that Don Cherry’s, “those pukes” rant brought Stu Grimson into the public eye, and Grimson has done the sweat work to become a lawyer. John Ferguson jr. is also a lawyer and these two men are far more qualified than a good ole boy in dispatching heady decisions in this serious matter of hockey violence. (All puns intentional).

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • issie74 says:

      N.Y Rangers Alum,just like his boss.Colie.

      NorthTOHab

  63. smiler2729 says:

    This dumbass goon stuff in pretty much every series is kinda entertaining but very embarrassing.

    But what I don’t get is the head constantly being targeted, are these players really that ignorant or just really stupid??
    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      I think last year set the tone. Teams saw Boston bully their way to the cup with no interference from the league, and most just decided to follow suit.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Eerily similar to the ’74, and ’75 championships won by the Flyers. Worst goon act I can recall seeing, and I’m dead certain that many just didn’t get videotaped, was Dave Schultz cornering the much smaller Lanny McDonald. McDonald managed to tie up Schultz but as one of the linesman had the smaller McDonald tied up, the Hammer let loose a ferocious punch into McDonald’s gut. Effectively, the linesman couldn’t have set up McDonald any better had he been a Flyer player. Even worse sucker punch to the gut than the one Mean Joe Green unleashed on offensive lineman Paul Howard of the Denver Broncos in the 1980 Superbowl. This last bit of nostalgia is posted for the enjoyment of American buds like 10912.

        P.S. In case I didn’t mention it, Lanny McDonald was much smaller than Dave the Hammer Schultz.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • ThatOldChestnut says:

        +2. I hope more people start taking notice of this so maybe the NHL can put a stop to it. But I don’t think that’s going to happen. The NHL loves the ratings of this Roller Derby stuff.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I don’t mind the rough stuff and even some fights, but it is getting out of hand.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Marc10 says:

      Players are targeting the head because that gets results and doesn’t get punished nearly as much as it should.

      They’re taking their cues from Chara, Lucic and Marchand. Those guys won a cup on the back of tactics like that (and Timmy in goals admittedly…)

  64. LafleurGuy says:

    Lots of action that doesn’t display the sportsmanship even novices can recognize in any sport. Rugby players must sneer at how NHLers easily put aside playing hockey, and put on the sideshow of mano a mano violence. To me, the most glaring act of bullyism was the large Boyle rabbit punching Karlsson who for the first time in his hockey life and life in general, had to decide if he had to fight a guy much bigger than him. Not a classy situation, and to many not a classy sport.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  65. Ian Cobb says:

    Oh how I wish for a Philly, Boston slug fest!!! If only they would cripple each other is my fantasy dream!! Suspend the whole bunch of them.

    I do not care who wins the cup, but it would be a terrible thing if either of those two even come close.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Ian. That is a great fantasy.

    • Mad Habber says:

      I didn’t watch the game but from what I saw Pittsburgh was by far the dirty team in yesterdays game. James Neal (a lot of people like him on here) blindsided Couturier; when the refs never penalized him, he went after Giroux head the very next play. Then when Hartnell went after him he ran and jumped on the bench. If this is what they did to the Rangers no wonder Torts ranted like he did.

      • Ali says:

        And the Flyers not once hit Crosby in the head, Hartnell could’ve, and didn’t. Great show of restraint on their part while the Pens lost their minds. Maybe Mario will write a letter?

      • Les Canayens says:

        What I saw too. Philly may have the historical reputation of a goon team but in last game’s case, some very uncharacteristic head hunting antics from unlikely Penguins were in full display.

        What happened to James Neal, who was supposed to be a elite sniper?

    • issie74 says:

      Ian,I think Caps are playing JM hockey,trying to smother the BB and that brick wall(Ovie)they keep running into is keeping Bos. very occupied.LOL

      NorthTOHab

  66. JF says:

    The Penguins’ implosion yesterday reminds me very much of their performance against us in Game 7 two years ago. They lost their focus, tried to go after our players, made defensive mistakes, and had horrible goaltending. Yesterday was similar, and I thought Dan Bylsma should have called a time-out as soon as the rough stuff started and told his players to focus on their game. Instead, they basically let the Flyers sucker them into playing exactly the kind of game the Flyers could win with ease. If Pittsburgh is to win even one game in this series, they have to play disciplined, defensive hockey and hope that Fleury finds his game. On the Flyers’ side, they also need better goaltending or they won’t get through the next round. But they’re a fun team to watch and, despite their reputation, I think the Penguins are the dirtier team. I wasn’t at all impressed with Crosby.

    Who would have thought that the two teams most prognosticators saw in the final would be on the ropes after three games?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I agree JF. The flyers do have the Pens off their game plus Fleury has been pathetic. Rangers need to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen to then in their series. Sens can’t match up skill vs skill.

  67. Habsrule1 says:

    So, if the canucks lose the series and Vigneault is fired, is he at the top of everyone’s list for the new Habs coach?
    He’s at the top of mine.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Cal says:

      I’m waiting on the choice of GM and assistant before worrying about a coach. The Habs have to get it right this time or it will continue the treadmill of hire a coach and fire him 2.5 seasons later. The team has to take a long term approach to how they want to play the game and instill it in their players.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I agree, but the new GM would be crazy not to strongly consider Vigneault.
        I’m curious what most people here think of Crawford. He seems pretty intelligent on TSN, for the most part.
        Does anyone think Brisebois doesn’t have the inside track for GM right now?

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Cal says:

          Still early in the picking a GM phase. We just have to be patient.

        • twilighthours says:

          I hope Brisebois doesn’t. I’m hoping for a former player. Someone who played in the NHL, hopefully, but at minimum someone who played pro somewhere.

        • D Mex says:

          Crawford would not be my choice : the word gutless was used by some to describe his séjour in Colorado, and he was named along with Bertuzzi in the lawsuit that resulted from the Vancouver (Moore) gong show.
          Mostly, tho, it’s the hair – no way that stack would work behind a Montreal bench – lol !

          ALWAYS Habs –
          D Mex

    • nickster13 says:

      I want Marc Crawford. Experience, and I think he’s calmed down a bit since his earlier years.

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      I’m still banking on Tippet wanting out of Phoenix. Or maybe bring in Craig T Nelson.

  68. Cal says:

    The debacle between the Pens and Flyers is exactly what comes after the “player safety” committee rules on infractions. The weak slaps on the wrist will lead to someone getting killed on the ice. I hope that when it does happen these “disciplinarians” will be ferreted out and sued into poverty. It will be the least they deserve for taking the game back to Goonland.

  69. Habfan10912 says:

    Shanny scheduled to be on the Boomer and Carton show at 815 on WFAN660 in NY. You can listen on line. Should be interesting. Boomer is a huge Ranger fan.

  70. Haligonian-Hab says:

    Well I certainly enjoy those goon-games when the Habs are NOT in them. And I LOVE that Canada’s team is down 3-0 to LA. Brown is in BEAST MODE (as is Briere).

  71. Psycho29 says:

    Thank You Kings! Please put the Canuckleheads out of their misery next game!!!!
    The sooner I don’t have to look at rats like Lapierre and Burrows, the better!!

  72. The Cat says:

    I thought Don Cherry did a good job on his show the other day showing WHY Weber and Carkner did what they did. The rest of the media -that I seen anyway-just pretty much laid all the blame on them, making it look like unwarranted assaults that should be much more suspendable. Cherry may not always be fair, but he tries to be…more than most others on tv.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Cat. IMO there’s a difference between the two. Weber’s hit was dangerous and clearly meant to injure. Carkner was sticking up for his teamate and if not for the cowardly turtle, would have been nothing more then a hockey fight. As for Cherry, I’ll leave that to others to debate. Enjoy your day!

      • The Cat says:

        Good morning habfan! Im in no way advocating violence, especially dirty dangerous stuff. I just thought Cherry showing it was nice to make sure they didn’t get unworthy reputations.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Les Canayens says:

      He did exactly the same thing showing why Chara crushed Pacioretty’s head….sigh

      I know you should stick up for yourself/teammates. But isn’t the ultimate revenge scoring goals and win the damn game?

  73. 69HABS says:

    I just come in here from time to time to see if there is any new info on the Habs.

    I have not watched any playoff hockey this spring & don’t care too …

  74. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Shanahan’s chickens are finally comin’ home to roost …One could see this comin’ in the playoffs from a mile away

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    What I WANT ! is an aircraft carrier at centre and nuclear destroyers on each wing going to the net like bats out of Hell !, …NO MORE rubber duckies !!!
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    • Marc10 says:

      Maybe if they get Crosby, Giroux, Zetterberg and Sedin injured… Nah, that won’t make a difference.

      ‘Ligue de Garage’…

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Ranger fans in an uproar here. Hope the mainline US press picks up on it. The corrupt leadership or as I like to call it Jacob’s men need to go. Jacobs has has Bettman, Daddy and now Shabby in his pocket for sometime. The NHLPA needs to except some blame here as its their members suffering along with the game.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Rangers are one of the most thuggish teams in the league. When their hired goon offed himself in the summer they had a day of contrition for the public and then went out and got more goons.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Yes 72. Not sticking up at for the rags. For me its about the inconsistent displine and lack of respect the players have for the game. Games always Bern physical and tough but since the Bruins were handed the cup last year other teams have taken notice and built teams in a similar manner.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      RIGHT HAB IN SURREY, Shannahan needs to be consistent or it is all a joke!!

  75. topher5468 says:

    Don’t get me wrong, I love tough playoff hockey, that being said, the Pit-Philly game was embarrassing to the sport.

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  76. Kooch7800 says:

    TJ oshie would have been better. I think we got the brown end of the stick in that deal

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  77. Storm Man says:

    And just think Shiloh he (Halak) will be watching the game like you tonight. Turn the page.

  78. C-Sword says:

    Screw Price and screw Halak! They’re nowhere near as good as Jonathan Quick and Pekka Rinne.

  79. christophor says:

    That’s insulting to the greats who’ve tended the Habs’ net. You know this, surely. How low are your standards that two playoff series is your new measure of greatness?

  80. Storm Man says:

    I hope you get lessons on good hockey players or a good eye doctor.

  81. ZepFan2 says:

    Ouch! You really burned him. :roll:

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    I’ve got a feeling

  82. ZepFan2 says:

    :smile:

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    I’ve got a feeling

  83. Duracell3 says:

    “He’s a p*ssy”

    “He`s playing in the NHL playoffs”

    ….

    “playing rec hockey”

    “playing every bit to the level that he plays at”

    Oh, that seems accurate.

    lol.

  84. alwayssunny says:

    Cannabians : “I`ve taken worse impacts than that”

    I’d say from your posts a lot worse.

  85. alwayssunny says:

    Must drive you crazy that neither Price nor Halak are playing so now you have to resort to calling Halak a pussy. What are you going to talk about all summer?

  86. Duracell3 says:

    Ah, didn’t know you where in net now Raphael….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQJRUKSfrZY

  87. Cal says:

    A 48 year old rec league goalie comparing himself to a pro.
    The Self-Aggrandizing Post of the Night.
    Quick, start a new thread before the next Bowman pipes up.


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